The issue of phone GPS assuming you are on a road is only an issue of the app you are using. As you say Google Maps will try to put you on a road. However, if you use navionics or any chart based app, it will not do that.
I have Samsungs (two off) with Navionics, just as good as my fixed Garmin. Or my laptop with OpenCPN with external antenna. In fact, I have two systems not relying upon boats 12 V system.
If it works, it works. There are lots of solutions, but always verify that they are accurate by making sure that what you see on the chart/GPS is actually visible out the window (unlike the USS Guardian 😉)
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass I only have had GPS for 20 years. And I have learned to zoom in to see details. The 40 years before that, papercharts, clock, pencil, ruler, compass and all that. Still carry papercharts on board. When sailing in Denmark, as an example, they have drifting sand. So blindly trusting GPS can give surprices. And a couple of years ago I reported 5 markers missing in Garmin charts along the west Swedesh coast. And they are still missing. I have cancelled further updates :-) And Navionics, owned by Garmin, are correct updated. So in general, the old paper system still works. But it is a job to keep it updated, that I'm not at all very good at.
I think we all fail at keeping stuff up to date. As former software developers, I can assure you that keeping stuff up to date as tools and libraries change was the bane of our lives...
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass yes my boat is now off the water as weather not good here at all. Season finished early, it does mean I should ( note the should ) get more work done🤠
Roy - it does not matter about the "should" because it is a never ending task in any case... The work will wait and if it gets lonely, some of its friends will turn up so that you have even more to do 😄
You certainly picked the right year to take time-out from cruising. What a lousy summer! Can count on one hand how many times we have been out of the marina (Largs), and lift out for winter fast approaching. 😢. Keep up the good work - very much enjoy your videos.
Sorry to hear that there is lousy weather everywhere 😞 We had hoped so much to do lots of summer sailing at the weekends, but alas..... Still, there is lots of boat work to keep us happy...😄 Glad you enjoyed the vid 👍
Big improvement today - sunny AND windy. Still running a nasty swell though... You will be waiting a while for the sextant since we do not have one aboard, but if we ever acquire one I will have it on the channel. I would love to try it.
If all fails, Its always helpful to have a handheld GPS onboard it will not only give you your position but will also give you course to steer if you put in the coordinates from your chart. Just make sure you keep a good supply of batteries onboard
The theory of navigation is important. Getting the basics into your head is easy enough so there's no excuse really. A bit of warmth came to my bit of NE Scotland a few days ago but it's cold, grey and breezy once more. It's been a constant stream of fronts with very few, if any, periods of sustained high pressure.
Hi, Lasses, ? Why do u times the Long and Lat by 60. What is it's significance.? Great ur both well, like the new t shirts. It's coming down in buckets over here, but Spring is just beautiful all the flowers and critters are coming out to play. 🤣💜
It is only the decimal parts that you multiply by 60 to convert to "minutes" (there are 60 minutes in every degree) so for 54.5° multiply the .5 bit by 60 (0.5 x 60 = 30) and 54.5° is the same as 54°30' which is the notation used on nautical charts. We're glad to hear that you are enjoying the weather over there, over here it feels like autumn is in early
The summer has been cr...... 😮 Today is better - instead of blowing a gale and chucking rain, it is blowing a gale but with sunshine!! We are on the up and up 👍
Vesta Navigator did not zoom in on his electronic chart. The reef was clearly marked , he just did not interrogate the chart properly. Was a rasta chart although I could be corrected on that no doubt.
Most professional sail people, especially from across the pond as well as other countries and the younger onesdo not seem to use charts anymore but rely on GPS navigation apps and instruments. You can see it in evidence on a lot of U tube channels. As you do, I carry paper charts but probably use them a little differently to you but to the same effect
Lesson is Google maps is not for navigation, Navionics or Savy Navi wouldn't show you on the road, For DR you need to know where you started from, so its important to keep note of your position in case your GPS goes down, ok if you can get a fix but in poor visibility could be difficult. Definitely worth practising the old DR skills regularly
Such a treat to see you both each week. Never fails to make me smile. Thank you. James
Thank you. Gaynor will be at the boat show on Tues or Wed if you are down that way.
Would have loved to have met her but cant make it this year. Hope she has a good time
Once upon a time I used to admire the majesty of waves crashing onto rocks. Now they just scare the willies out of me:)
Us too - especially if we are out there. 😄 Today is even windier!!!
I tried Google maps in the north channel when there was a phone signal. It did show a position, I never thought to tap the marker, will try that.
At least you were not on the nearest road...
The issue of phone GPS assuming you are on a road is only an issue of the app you are using. As you say Google Maps will try to put you on a road. However, if you use navionics or any chart based app, it will not do that.
We hope that if we are (say) 10 miles offshore there are no nearby roads for any app to mislead us with 😄
I have Samsungs (two off) with Navionics, just as good as my fixed Garmin. Or my laptop with OpenCPN with external antenna. In fact, I have two systems not relying upon boats 12 V system.
If it works, it works. There are lots of solutions, but always verify that they are accurate by making sure that what you see on the chart/GPS is actually visible out the window (unlike the USS Guardian 😉)
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass I only have had GPS for 20 years. And I have learned to zoom in to see details. The 40 years before that, papercharts, clock, pencil, ruler, compass and all that. Still carry papercharts on board. When sailing in Denmark, as an example, they have drifting sand. So blindly trusting GPS can give surprices. And a couple of years ago I reported 5 markers missing in Garmin charts along the west Swedesh coast. And they are still missing. I have cancelled further updates :-) And Navionics, owned by Garmin, are correct updated. So in general, the old paper system still works. But it is a job to keep it updated, that I'm not at all very good at.
I think we all fail at keeping stuff up to date. As former software developers, I can assure you that keeping stuff up to date as tools and libraries change was the bane of our lives...
Doesn’t the term dead reckoning originate from ‘deduced reckoning’ or ‘d’ed reckoning’?😊
I have not heard that one before so I will stick to the legend I know 😉
As usual enjoyed that while having my morning tea.
Glad to hear it! The weather scuppered our sailing plans and this was a bit of an emergency video 😃
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass yes my boat is now off the water as weather not good here at all. Season finished early, it does mean I should ( note the should ) get more work done🤠
Roy - it does not matter about the "should" because it is a never ending task in any case... The work will wait and if it gets lonely, some of its friends will turn up so that you have even more to do 😄
You certainly picked the right year to take time-out from cruising. What a lousy summer! Can count on one hand how many times we have been out of the marina (Largs), and lift out for winter fast approaching. 😢. Keep up the good work - very much enjoy your videos.
Sorry to hear that there is lousy weather everywhere 😞 We had hoped so much to do lots of summer sailing at the weekends, but alas..... Still, there is lots of boat work to keep us happy...😄 Glad you enjoyed the vid 👍
Can't wait for the sextant to come out 😂😂😂😂 lovely instrument , but it was a dark and dismal day . 😅
Big improvement today - sunny AND windy. Still running a nasty swell though... You will be waiting a while for the sextant since we do not have one aboard, but if we ever acquire one I will have it on the channel. I would love to try it.
If all fails, Its always helpful to have a handheld GPS onboard it will not only give you your position but will also give you course to steer if you put in the coordinates from your chart. Just make sure you keep a good supply of batteries onboard
Very true! Fortunately the solar panels give infinite electric 😉
Great to see you guys again, and a good memory of the transit line on the Rock Channel, stay safe and have fun....
Thanks, you too!
@@SailingYachtSaltyLassLiverpool sailors used to call that dome, “The Dome of Home.”
Never heard that before, but I can see why they said it. Thanks for telling us.
You are indeed hardy lasses putting up with such awful weather. Good followup clarifications. Hope you get on the water again soon. Thanks.
We are watching a weather window for this Sunday....
The theory of navigation is important. Getting the basics into your head is easy enough so there's no excuse really.
A bit of warmth came to my bit of NE Scotland a few days ago but it's cold, grey and breezy once more. It's been a constant stream of fronts with very few, if any, periods of sustained high pressure.
We are glad to hear that somebody somewhere is getting good weather. Enjoy it while you can and hopefully it will last a while
Its behind you!! Panto season doesn't start for a month or so
It is always a pantomime on this boat 😄 We assumed that was common knowledge!!
Hi, Lasses, ? Why do u times the Long and Lat by 60. What is it's significance.? Great ur both well, like the new t shirts. It's coming down in buckets over here, but Spring is just beautiful all the flowers and critters are coming out to play. 🤣💜
It is only the decimal parts that you multiply by 60 to convert to "minutes" (there are 60 minutes in every degree) so for 54.5° multiply the .5 bit by 60 (0.5 x 60 = 30) and 54.5° is the same as 54°30' which is the notation used on nautical charts. We're glad to hear that you are enjoying the weather over there, over here it feels like autumn is in early
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass Thank you very much xx
No worries 👍
So I take it the summer hasn’t been to good this year. Sorry you’re getting all our bad weather !
The summer has been cr...... 😮 Today is better - instead of blowing a gale and chucking rain, it is blowing a gale but with sunshine!! We are on the up and up 👍
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass if it’s any consolation it’s been raining and storming here in Florida too
😞😞 Hopefully it improve
It's a back bearing, ladies.
No time we have pedantry for... 😉 but it is definitely behind you! Probably my old aviation habits showing through 😄
Vesta Navigator did not zoom in on his electronic chart. The reef was clearly marked , he just did not interrogate the chart properly. Was a rasta chart although I could be corrected on that no doubt.
They had paper charts which showed the hazard, but they did not look at them...
Most professional sail people, especially from across the pond as well as other countries and the younger onesdo not seem to use charts anymore but rely on GPS navigation apps and instruments. You can see it in evidence on a lot of U tube channels. As you do, I carry paper charts but probably use them a little differently to you but to the same effect
Lesson is Google maps is not for navigation, Navionics or Savy Navi wouldn't show you on the road, For DR you need to know where you started from, so its important to keep note of your position in case your GPS goes down, ok if you can get a fix but in poor visibility could be difficult. Definitely worth practising the old DR skills regularly
We will probably do a few sails with the chartplotter off just for practice 👍
Great chat. Hope the weather improves. Sunny here today.
Thank you and enjoy the sunshine 👍
Like every pantomime villain it’s behind you
On this boat, it is usually Prudence...
Please allow each Gaynor to finish her sentences..
Each Gaynor?? There are several?