There is nothing hard here - ya'll are too nice. You have no boundaries - everything goes. First of all we should have laws on how folks behave in our country being considerate of the countries laws and communities. Youth - young man and woman of the future where are you - where are leaders of the future - we have experts and highly educated folks - coz SA is an educated state but we are complaining about dudes that didnt even finish sub B like we don't have a democratic state. Bruh the law allows us to form new parties, canvasss and take control of government. What's this state of hopelessness culture that SA has. We need to go back to our roots coz we are strong principled folks and our country will not be ran down by these crooks. They will not be in power forever and we will prosecute each and everyone of them. 5 years is around the corner. Our fight in 1993 was against colonialism and our fight now is against corruption and self serving lazy uncaring individuals who do not take pride in their country groomed in the ANC and all our political parties. Bruh all these parties are corrupt. DA in the Western Cape - they are the worst they still award contracts to their white counter parts, also ask yourself what has the DA done for colored, black folks in the Western Cape, even their internship opportunities classify taking 5 blacks out of 200 posts just to meet their monitoring and evaluation, just visit their departments. while ensuring they still prioritize their race. All these old parties are mostly self serving and they have ties to the old system. The country has never belonged to its people. Ask yourself why is the land still with white folks if we are a democratic country.
Is it though? Few countries where a child get a social grant, certainly not many countries in Africa do that Few countries in Africa enjoy political and economical stability South Africans enjoy South Africans are among the economical wealthier than many other African countries (am talking about black people) We enjoy RAF when we are involved in car accidents I mean I can go on, it is a blessing to be born in South Africa and you see this by how much we celebrate on weekly basis (weekends) we braai have alcohol and etc Let’s just appreciate being South Africans and it wasn’t your willpower that you were born here it was just by luck/blessing you could be a Mozambican dodging bullets and bombs
Guy when are we demanding amendment of the constitution?? This constitution seems to be catering to the whole of Africa and not us South Africans?? No maan fok! South Africa cannot belong to all who live in but it belongs to us South Africans! Nonsense ANC, I will remember this 2026
Yikaka! We need not to amend it but to abolish it. Any constitution should be created with the consultation and referendum from the people. Yikaka le CODESA nonsense!
@@MlungisiCitiMlungisiCiti you are makin a mistake when you select the ANC only as a party that should not be voted again, EFF and the DA, these three parties are anti- South Africans especially the indigenous poor and ordinary people.
People are not just frustrated, they are angry, because we have this situation in every part of government services where foreigners are eating up our services, including policing, health, education and housing.
Bruuuh our courts rolls are 80% illegal immigrants - even our prisons are flooded with these folks - courts are not even allowed to depart them bcoz some judge said deporting them is unconstitutional now the Act must be amended. LOL the Constitutional court is loosing the plot.
I feel pain when I see my children go to randburg school when fourways school next to me but the placing my children far I spend R2000 for transport that time I'm a domestic worker
As a South African you cant take your kids to the school of your choice they will tell you the school is far or full yet foreigners can go anywhere they choose
But to be honest with you guys this whole thing can't be fixed by the government the people can go into their backyards and give the foreigners notice these foreigners are living in South African people backyards
Illigal immigrant learner's should be educate at the camp like all the countries. They have to use their united nation funds not to compete with the ligal citezens. Some teachers are teaching learners who have fraudulent documents which the country have no connection with their country of origins. We felt like it's an abused of teacher human resource
Why is the government prioritizing foreigners, illegals at that? The anc is a disgrace, I pay tax for South Africans, not foreigners. Our schools are overcrowded and there is lack of funding, sies
People need to stop voting for ANC must fall they have been in the office for 30 years the only thing they do is destroying this country, they are always serving/defendong ILLEGAL FOREIGN ELIENS!
It's sad because in the beginning of the year the government schools are already full of foreign nationals and the south African children have to end up getting schools in private schools they do not even afford
This is going to blow up in the government's face. South Africans aren't xenophobic. The main issue is that we don't have the financial and infrastructural capacity to take in and process foreign nationals before South Africans. And honestly, whose South African child must not be educated in their own country? Education can't afford to have budget cuts and it must be South African admission first. Sorry but this is the truth.
South Africans are seriously not xenophobic I agree. We welcome these folks and accommodate them then when we want them to abide by the law they call us xenophobic😂. These folks are not even nice to us hey, they pee on the street, most of them litter, they dont shower some of them stink - they dont consider other folks they take taxis with, they use muthis - they are just aggressive and they doo as they like - look at uber drivers. Inconsiderate to other drivers. Most of these folks must be taught how to serve the rest of the community they are just not disciplined and groomed properly from the countries they come from - then they dilute our state with lawlessness and self serving inconsiderate attitudes and behaviors.
@Jameskillu how many times did i call your name, please fix your country in stead of stealing thr little we have here, go back to zim and fix ur country please.
Zandile may God bless you for putting your country first and fight for your people South African may our heavenly Father protect you guide you and give you more wisdom knowledge and strength South African are behind you and loves you❤🙏
ANC when they create policy do not think within the parameters of their own law!!! Illegal migration is a criminal offence, with the penalty of deportation!!!. A government who works within their own law and respects the Law would have in a policy that children of documented migrants needs to have a place in school, that makes perfect legal sense. What country says we need to ensure children of illegal migrants are educated, should they not be deporting these people. It is in direct conflict with the country's Immigration law. Its also time we relook this constitution because it really fits a country that is wealthy and we cannot afford to be father Christmas to the world.
Your argument assumes that laws should be applied in isolation, but legal frameworks, including immigration and constitutional law, are interconnected. South Africa’s Constitution prioritizes human rights, which is why policies like the BELA Act had to be worded the way they were. Denying children access to education based on their parents' immigration status would violate the constitutional principles of dignity and equality. That’s why any attempt to exclude them would face legal challenges-not just from the Helen Suzman Foundation but from various human rights organizations. Regarding deportation, immigration law does indeed classify illegal entry as an offence, but deportation is a process, not an automatic consequence. It requires due process, resources, and cooperation between countries. Many undocumented migrants remain in South Africa for years, often because their home countries do not accept them back or because they fall through bureaucratic cracks. In the meantime, their children exist within our society, and denying them education would not solve illegal migration-it would only create a generation of uneducated, marginalized individuals, which would have long-term social and economic consequences. Having said all that, I agree with you, it is time we relook this constitution.
Kak praat nie !!! Your very own Domkop Minister of Education...who did a flip flop on the implementing of this bill.. Must now implement this bill... Stop blaming only the ANC .. Put measures in place to prevent this... DomDoos !!!!
let's talk about those with proper documents, paying for study permits and medicals to enroll in SA, is it far for them? our government is a demon to us tax payers.
@@PrettyHlela Today has permanent Residency our media are so anti South Africans why an immigrant should have an input in our laws...the same Sibanda who was pushing an agenda for illegal immigrants to claim from RAF..and was told by RAF CEO to shut his mounth because his pushing an agenda always to ensure immigrants benefit in our country without even paying taxes at our expense mxm,this Country constitution should be urgently amended.
We live in banana country, how can you compare citizens with undocumented foreigners(criminals) is only in SA. We jokes as country cos of our foolish government.
Right, the only way is to now make a lot of money, or at least live very modest so you pay for private schools. Unfortunately though, A crack in the foundation affects the entire house, no matter which room you're in.
@@SbuMakh private or home schooling is the way, this nonsense will only happen in public schools. Kids studying without documents? What’s that? What if our kids become victims of identity theft? Yoooo ngeke guys 🤦🏽♂️
Wee must never give ANC majority again, but hey EFF is much worse, I used to vote them as an alternative from my beloved ANC but recent utterances by Malema made me change my choice, now I am even confused which part I should vote coz DA is also racist
Parents should embark on a national strike. Never, I'm a teacher having sleepless nights because what is happening in WC might also happen in GP. Just imagine 2500 teachers jobs are at risk while undocumented kids get access to schools. In GP I teach 7 classes, the min number of learners is 46 and the max 54. Wow 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 This country is slowly slipping away from our hands. Soon we'll be like Zimbabwe watch the space🤞. I feel sorry for our future generations😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
At least you have 54, I have at least 64 per class in grade 8, one time I had 80 kids in one class. But we need to accept every Learner who comes at any time of the year even , what a joke of a country. Then we need to account for poor Learner performance
The plan is to destroy while they are planning their next move on how to invent robots to takeover jobs from humans. They are fully aware of what they are doing.
Your comment mixes up issues. The Western Cape 2500 teacher jobs is a budget issue. It has nothing to do with undocumented children. Undocumented children admission into schools is a constitutional matter. The law does not say South African children should be excluded from schools. It says all children should be admitted into school.
This country is insane 😢😢 I'm tired of this country, and it doesn't put our children's future first this is insane maan, we are with you Operation Dudula I think we need to join operation dudula and be a member, plz se d out membership cards plz We are tired of ANC yhooooo!!!. Yjhoooooo, Yhoooooo!!🥺🥺😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
What happens when they are deported... Does it mean that once you have a child that is in school you are immune from deportation? What is the psychological effect to a child who is removed from school through deportation, is that not worse?
You become a recident in the country that you were born in... That is a international law.... Not a citizen...but a resident....and residents has got the same rights as citizens.. It is what it is....
What's worse is the psychological effect on a South African child who's told there's no space in schools they envisioned themselves excelling in that are flooded by children of !llegal immigrants
@@truth-Hurts375that's not our law. In this country both or one of your parents must be a citizen in order for the child to become a citizen and the child must be born within the borders of the country. If none of the parents are citizens then it doesn't matter if the child was born here they are also illegal immigrants.
i think you fail to understand how the hatred for white people was weaponized to let the broader populace embrace the bela act...now there is broader consequences...ANC has played their voters for fools, yet again I will go so far as to say that apartheid is the best thing that has ever happened to the ANC....forever the weapon to be used .....
@@lebogangnyatlo1334 as Afrikaans is a truly RSA language- spoken nowhere else, schooling in Afrikaans will ALWAYS be South Africans. If the Zulu’s had Zulu language schools - the same would apply. What has stopped the Zulu Trust to build Zulu language schools and employ Zulu language teachers? Are there no Zulu speaking teachers? And the same goes for every other official language- why are we waiting for Government to give us what we want and can supply ourselves?
So ANC Government with all its resources never appealed Court Orders that are against the interests of citizens and the Country, they decided to rather package them and include them in a bill?
I am also shocked, because tgat was a high court judgement, we still had supreme court of apeal and the constitutional Court to go to. This is very much disturbing
Iam next to Fourways high school my children are going to ferndale high school because Fourways high full of foreign children some parent bought our identity special Zimbabweans because our surname are similar
So how will the parents get proper documentation if they came here illegally 🤷 only God knows and what should home affairs do about those kind of parents? Provide documentation even if they dont have the correct ones to enter into the country. Yhooo the more i think about this the more i get confused
@Jameskillu, the Bela act is the product of the ANC not GNU, hence even their biggest GNU partner was opposing its implementation. Hence the Minister of Education did not attend the signibg ceremony
@Jameskillu, by the way, are you South African, coz judging from all your comments I have seen here I am quite convinced you might also be illegal in this country
One big problem in our country: "THE CONSTITUTION". This little book is causing huge problems for south african's and ramadollar has the power to change it but he won't, he rather play father chrismas to every country in this continent using our tax money🚮🚮
@@Pitbull3342 yes, because your leaders are having mines and all sort of businesses in African countries including Zim. Any one who vote ANC or EFF, they must get on with it.
We as South African we must pay tax so that the teachers can get paid salaries while the undocumented foreign can benefit really ,is this a banana republic .ok let all the children undocumented foreign get children grants
Why you blaming ANC? The admissions things was a judgment in court, ANC acting on what the court condoned. South Africa is run by the courts, when will you guys understand that?
I find this very unfair! Me and my son are South Africans, we have our 'documents' yet schools don't accept him because he has apraxia of speech. The special needs school say that they not equipped(since what he has is extremely rare) and the 'normal' schools say that not able to take on kids with those kind of issues. And yes I contacted the educational department continuously, they told me they couldn't help me unless he was enrolled in an actually school, but yet no school would accept him. Plus this was happening during covid so everything was shut down. Now I see this.. it's so frustrating.. The EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FAIL MY SON, My son is 12 now, at a private home school. He was denied an education from the educational system. If any of you have special needs children and trying to apply for schooling, don't disclose your child's issues on the application forms. Let the DBST deal with it when your child has been enrolled.
🇿🇦Dept of Education is a broken sector and not taking education seriously 📖 📚 The law is the law drafted by who, against who, voted by who? for who? and measured against what? This particular clause in the law, to have an open door policy is good when and if implemented in the private schools not the public schools. If it goes broadly to an already broken public school then the disregard for quality education widens, inequalities, but was there ever a consultation? I foresee another e-toll gate saga system It was an illegal mining and then the courts said, protect the criminals because its stiulated in the law to protect their rights. It is illegal parents in the country to admit their kids and with the incapacitated schools, already unturnable, unmanageable then the court disrupts it further and says documented or undocumented the Dept must not discriminate anyone. Children must be protected but is it not their parents who are irresponsible?
So why are statements sent out that veer to it is a free for all if on one hand people are deported and on the other their children are enrolled in our public schools. The gvt is raving mad
If you have to admit undocumented children in our schools, does this means that it is legal for undocumented parents/poeple to be in this country? Where does Home Affairs stand on this?
28 million children in Nigeria are not attending school, this means they can come to South Africa and attend school. South Africa'ns children will be disadvantaged
It’s so interesting how our government is capable of coming up with bills that are in favour of everyone but South Africans, you think of land amendment, I do wish they had the same passion about amending our constitution to the favour of the majority of our people but it’s not the case
OH LORD HAVE MERCY ON OUR KIDS THAT CAN BARELY BREATHE IN THE CLASSROOM AND THE TEACHERS TOO AND HAVE MERCY ON THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.🥺🤦♀️
It's always NGO s like this that prioritise everyone except South Africans in South Africa. You wonder who funds them or what their motive is to make sure they oppress law abiding citezens in order to protect those that break their law, welcome to SA
Its the South African legal system failing us, they rule against government department vs foreigners and NGO's all the time. These decisions are made in court and government follows and adheres to court rulings. If you want anything changed take to to the courts.
You guys your children are in private school and our children face this crowded schools our haven't rights but foreign.... please ANC put South African first
two thirds of the national assembly must agree to change anything in the constitution. It becomes difficulot to change anything because NGO's and foreigners take government departments to the High Courts and Concourt, its the judges that make final decision and can make a change.
@@luckyndlovu2926 my worry is the first come first serve issue. "undocumented" foreigners are going to register their "undocumented" kids way before SAns do, we going to have millions of SAn kids not attending school due to full schools but foreign kids will be ok.
Let's say there is a raid on illegal foreigners and the parents of the children are arrested and have to be deported, what happens to the children? Do they drop out of school?
The bill has been signed into law . Nelson Mandela said, “When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw”. Why would one deny right to education for children, Those against the bill should be investigated and charged
Go and demand your government in your country this is SA. Mozambicans are prepared to die for their country but you want to live in SA with a lot of demands instead of fighting your government to do what is best for you.
A child of illegal immigrants cannot be given priority over a SAn child, all SAn children must be admitted first before those of illegal immigrants are considered. SAns need a new government that will have the guts to amend the constitution to stop this madness.
Wht is happening in public schools is academic genocide. Overcrowding, no teacher learner ratio ,no effective teaching and learning. Is so cumbersome to the educators,.I believe to be a south African citizen is so painful becuz yiu must share everything wth Africa, There are people who are receiving money and benefiting on the expense of we ordinary citizens. I wish tht there can be change of roles ,for a month Ramaphosa must go to limpopo and teach those learners in those overcrowded classes.see if he can cope
Hey you foreigners tell me here can we do this in your beloved countries i just want to see something from you ppl😮😮😮can we get this in your countries.???
A good classroom must be 1:25 teacher pupil ratio.When we trained as teacher is was supposed to 1:25, this 1:40 is nonsensical as no effective teaching is happening there. Currently with the 1:40 primary school cannot read for meaning, cannot write and there is no effective teaching and learning as we speak, especially among schools found in black poor communities. These are communities that are subjected to all sorts of social ills. It is not possible to take on an added burden of children of illegal children. The South African tax base is not large enough to absorb the added burden
It had to happen, too many militant minded unions giving self enriching decisions, making schools a place of chaos, teaching is a love, a calling, a special person becomes a teacher, others abuse their humanity with greediness, dont expect blanket sympathy
I see many people are angry, The constitution protects every child, the government must just increase Funding for Department of Education, have a ratio of 1:115 is unacceptable
So, i must take care of my neighbours children even if my don't have enough for my own? Make is make sense. The constitution and law doesn't have provisions in cases where South Africa cannot fulfill certain "nice to haves"?
It's really hard to be a South African in South Africa.
try being a foreigner in south africa, you will be happy to be south africans
Srs yoooo
There is nothing hard here - ya'll are too nice. You have no boundaries - everything goes. First of all we should have laws on how folks behave in our country being considerate of the countries laws and communities. Youth - young man and woman of the future where are you - where are leaders of the future - we have experts and highly educated folks - coz SA is an educated state but we are complaining about dudes that didnt even finish sub B like we don't have a democratic state.
Bruh the law allows us to form new parties, canvasss and take control of government. What's this state of hopelessness culture that SA has. We need to go back to our roots coz we are strong principled folks and our country will not be ran down by these crooks. They will not be in power forever and we will prosecute each and everyone of them. 5 years is around the corner. Our fight in 1993 was against colonialism and our fight now is against corruption and self serving lazy uncaring individuals who do not take pride in their country groomed in the ANC and all our political parties. Bruh all these parties are corrupt. DA in the Western Cape - they are the worst they still award contracts to their white counter parts, also ask yourself what has the DA done for colored, black folks in the Western Cape, even their internship opportunities classify taking 5 blacks out of 200 posts just to meet their monitoring and evaluation, just visit their departments. while ensuring they still prioritize their race. All these old parties are mostly self serving and they have ties to the old system. The country has never belonged to its people. Ask yourself why is the land still with white folks if we are a democratic country.
Is it though?
Few countries where a child get a social grant, certainly not many countries in Africa do that
Few countries in Africa enjoy political and economical stability South Africans enjoy
South Africans are among the economical wealthier than many other African countries (am talking about black people)
We enjoy RAF when we are involved in car accidents
I mean I can go on, it is a blessing to be born in South Africa and you see this by how much we celebrate on weekly basis (weekends) we braai have alcohol and etc
Let’s just appreciate being South Africans and it wasn’t your willpower that you were born here it was just by luck/blessing you could be a Mozambican dodging bullets and bombs
This is not democracy it is idiocracy.
Those who voted for ANC don't have the right to complain
White people and black voted together this time 😂
What about those who voted PA, DA action SA, etc only for the leaders to join ANC B road based government
@@HarmonyLovePeace they are sell outs
They must keep quiet struu
True. Even PA and MK voters must not complain.
Guy when are we demanding amendment of the constitution?? This constitution seems to be catering to the whole of Africa and not us South Africans?? No maan fok! South Africa cannot belong to all who live in but it belongs to us South Africans! Nonsense ANC, I will remember this 2026
We need to have a national shutdown 2026 is too far we wont have a country left then.
Please fellow SAn🇿🇦 make sure everyone around you(family, friends)do not vote for the ANC come 2026 & 2029
No. ANC = My party, my future
Yikaka! We need not to amend it but to abolish it. Any constitution should be created with the consultation and referendum from the people. Yikaka le CODESA nonsense!
@@MlungisiCitiMlungisiCiti you are makin a mistake when you select the ANC only as a party that should not be voted again, EFF and the DA, these three parties are anti- South Africans especially the indigenous poor and ordinary people.
People are not just frustrated, they are angry, because we have this situation in every part of government services where foreigners are eating up our services, including policing, health, education and housing.
Bruuuh our courts rolls are 80% illegal immigrants - even our prisons are flooded with these folks - courts are not even allowed to depart them bcoz some judge said deporting them is unconstitutional now the Act must be amended. LOL the Constitutional court is loosing the plot.
I HATE THE ANC!!!!!!
but love children, and their education, regardless of their race, nationality, gender
what do you love?
No. ANC = My party, my future
@@afroqueerlens you are nit the only one
@silenthunter13171 😆 🤣 😂 clearly you dont have a future. Judging by how citizens are fed by with your beloved ANC.
I feel pain when I see my children go to randburg school when fourways school next to me but the placing my children far I spend R2000 for transport that time I'm a domestic worker
We have lost the country and it is too late
How do you educate foreigners before your own kids?
South African government doesn't make sense.
SAns we should stop paying tax
VF plus or DA?? In 2029
Tax payers are leaving SA, so, it's all going to fall apart, what they are doing.
Yes we should
@@MathamulaPilusa and taking the loot with them i guess.... 😅
it is insane to see an adult, fighting a child, and child education,
Funny enough SA must bring documents but illegal must just be admitted just like tht we will fight
That is very unfair
Take it to the courts to change their ruling.
As a South African you cant take your kids to the school of your choice they will tell you the school is far or full yet foreigners can go anywhere they choose
South Africans must enjoy cos they voted with their stomachs not heads
Unfair and crazy
But to be honest with you guys this whole thing can't be fixed by the government the people can go into their backyards and give the foreigners notice these foreigners are living in South African people backyards
Illigal immigrant learner's should be educate at the camp like all the countries. They have to use their united nation funds not to compete with the ligal citezens. Some teachers are teaching learners who have fraudulent documents which the country have no connection with their country of origins. We felt like it's an abused of teacher human resource
so you are for discrimination of children on basis of nationality,. would you be happy if you are discriminated too on the basis of race
Why is the government prioritizing foreigners, illegals at that? The anc is a disgrace, I pay tax for South Africans, not foreigners. Our schools are overcrowded and there is lack of funding, sies
People need to stop voting for ANC must fall they have been in the office for 30 years the only thing they do is destroying this country, they are always serving/defendong ILLEGAL FOREIGN ELIENS!
Imagine!! Instead of deporting these illegal aliens, ANC want to educate them.
It sounds as an invite to come and enjoy free services without following any applicable laws
It's sad because in the beginning of the year the government schools are already full of foreign nationals and the south African children have to end up getting schools in private schools they do not even afford
This is going to blow up in the government's face. South Africans aren't xenophobic. The main issue is that we don't have the financial and infrastructural capacity to take in and process foreign nationals before South Africans. And honestly, whose South African child must not be educated in their own country? Education can't afford to have budget cuts and it must be South African admission first. Sorry but this is the truth.
no evidence that south african children are missing ediucation because of BELA
You smell of xenophobia is a stench
South Africans are seriously not xenophobic I agree. We welcome these folks and accommodate them then when we want them to abide by the law they call us xenophobic😂. These folks are not even nice to us hey, they pee on the street, most of them litter, they dont shower some of them stink - they dont consider other folks they take taxis with, they use muthis - they are just aggressive and they doo as they like - look at uber drivers. Inconsiderate to other drivers. Most of these folks must be taught how to serve the rest of the community they are just not disciplined and groomed properly from the countries they come from - then they dilute our state with lawlessness and self serving inconsiderate attitudes and behaviors.
The schools that will be affected the most are the public schools that are already suffering 😢
There is no documented evidence of this, you are expressing your own personal opinion, based on your biases,
@@jameskillu9171This is true.... We have economic immigrants mostly from Zimbabwe,.. biased my foot is you who doesn't want to hear the truth...
@Jameskillu how many times did i call your name, please fix your country in stead of stealing thr little we have here, go back to zim and fix ur country please.
@jameskillu9171 why are you calling someone experience undocumented bias?😢😂😂
Zandile may God bless you for putting your country first and fight for your people South African may our heavenly Father protect you guide you and give you more wisdom knowledge and strength South African are behind you and loves you❤🙏
ANC when they create policy do not think within the parameters of their own law!!! Illegal migration is a criminal offence, with the penalty of deportation!!!. A government who works within their own law and respects the Law would have in a policy that children of documented migrants needs to have a place in school, that makes perfect legal sense. What country says we need to ensure children of illegal migrants are educated, should they not be deporting these people. It is in direct conflict with the country's Immigration law. Its also time we relook this constitution because it really fits a country that is wealthy and we cannot afford to be father Christmas to the world.
💯. SA government thinks they are rich and can cater to all African countries 😮😢
Your argument assumes that laws should be applied in isolation, but legal frameworks, including immigration and constitutional law, are interconnected. South Africa’s Constitution prioritizes human rights, which is why policies like the BELA Act had to be worded the way they were. Denying children access to education based on their parents' immigration status would violate the constitutional principles of dignity and equality. That’s why any attempt to exclude them would face legal challenges-not just from the Helen Suzman Foundation but from various human rights organizations.
Regarding deportation, immigration law does indeed classify illegal entry as an offence, but deportation is a process, not an automatic consequence. It requires due process, resources, and cooperation between countries. Many undocumented migrants remain in South Africa for years, often because their home countries do not accept them back or because they fall through bureaucratic cracks. In the meantime, their children exist within our society, and denying them education would not solve illegal migration-it would only create a generation of uneducated, marginalized individuals, which would have long-term social and economic consequences.
Having said all that, I agree with you, it is time we relook this constitution.
Kak praat nie !!!
Your very own Domkop Minister of Education...who did a flip flop on the implementing of this bill..
Must now implement this bill...
Stop blaming only the ANC ..
Put measures in place to prevent this...
DomDoos !!!!
As long as South Africans vote in ANC
fight for education for children of all race, colour mationality, religion, culture, gender. This is 21 century not some stonage years,
It's called citizen replacement 😢the worse is about to happen watch the space 😳
This government failed us😢😢stop voting ANC please. Enough is enough😢😢
You voted PA, DA ACTuon SA, etc and they lied to you they are better than ANC, then the leaders joined ANC government
No. My party, my future
@@jameskillu9171 just stop voting for ANC and stop making stupid excuses
We will be voting it in numbers
@@jameskillu9171your statement is misleading🤓🤓. Pls clarify "they've joined Anc". Explain what you mean, lest we tthink otherwise 🤔🤔🤔
This is insane..we must now educate and provide medical for Africa.
what is insane is your understanding of africa. what is the population of africa vs South africa,
@@jameskillu9171do you understand what you saying????
let's talk about those with proper documents, paying for study permits and medicals to enroll in SA, is it far for them? our government is a demon to us tax payers.
The Dudula lady speaks so much sense...This Sibanda guy must be investigated because it was said he got his permanent residency fraudulently.
dudula are all illiterate, make no sense. their world view is narrow, they have no clue what BELA ACT say,
These zimbos make Sa a rubbishbin
Sibanda himself came here illegal
@@PrettyHlela Today has permanent Residency our media are so anti South Africans why an immigrant should have an input in our laws...the same Sibanda who was pushing an agenda for illegal immigrants to claim from RAF..and was told by RAF CEO to shut his mounth because his pushing an agenda always to ensure immigrants benefit in our country without even paying taxes at our expense mxm,this Country constitution should be urgently amended.
He is from Zimbabwe as usual.
I hate ANC government really destroy our beautiful South Africa 🇿🇦 big time😢😢😢
There we go. Schools are overcrowded.
Our government is foolish. Our population is growing fast. Hospitals and schools are overcrowded because of illegal and legal foreigns😮😢😮
Kak praat nie...
Blame your High and Mighty DA Minister of Education !!
DomDoos
We live in banana country, how can you compare citizens with undocumented foreigners(criminals) is only in SA. We jokes as country cos of our foolish government.
@HelenJooste-i8i
SAns wake up.. ...
build more, you cant rely on those that apartheid build.. Overcrowding is alreadt there without BELA
As a SOuth African can you enroll your child if s/he does not have a birth certificate or if s/he does not have the vaccination card?
Each and every government is responsible for its citizens .
the government is reponsible for all, foreigners and citizens,
One must work very hard so our kids get insulated from this nonsense, what a disgrace
Right, the only way is to now make a lot of money, or at least live very modest so you pay for private schools. Unfortunately though, A crack in the foundation affects the entire house, no matter which room you're in.
@@SbuMakh private or home schooling is the way, this nonsense will only happen in public schools. Kids studying without documents? What’s that? What if our kids become victims of identity theft? Yoooo ngeke guys 🤦🏽♂️
insulared from foreigners you mean,,,,,,,,,, this sound xenophobic, racists
This Maluleka should be removed, definitely not for Educators.
South Africa is barely a democracy now, Acts get placed even when people of the country are sgainst it
people voted for ANC, PA, DA and MPS passed the law, in parloiamet on behalf of the people of the country
Wee must never give ANC majority again, but hey EFF is much worse, I used to vote them as an alternative from my beloved ANC but recent utterances by Malema made me change my choice, now I am even confused which part I should vote coz DA is also racist
@@GustusJusticeManyike-vi4jt No. My party, my future
Parents should embark on a national strike. Never, I'm a teacher having sleepless nights because what is happening in WC might also happen in GP. Just imagine 2500 teachers jobs are at risk while undocumented kids get access to schools. In GP I teach 7 classes, the min number of learners is 46 and the max 54. Wow 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 This country is slowly slipping away from our hands. Soon we'll be like Zimbabwe watch the space🤞. I feel sorry for our future generations😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
At least you have 54, I have at least 64 per class in grade 8, one time I had 80 kids in one class. But we need to accept every Learner who comes at any time of the year even , what a joke of a country. Then we need to account for poor Learner performance
The plan is to destroy while they are planning their next move on how to invent robots to takeover jobs from humans. They are fully aware of what they are doing.
Zimbabwe has better education... So I guess we'll be worse 😂😂😂
Your comment mixes up issues. The Western Cape 2500 teacher jobs is a budget issue. It has nothing to do with undocumented children.
Undocumented children admission into schools is a constitutional matter. The law does not say South African children should be excluded from schools. It says all children should be admitted into school.
@@Grounded.Child_Genetics 🤣🤣💔
A teacher is already teaching 150 kids standing on the door, this time he will teach 300 of them standing at the gate ! 😂😂
How much is that teacher paid.
😅eish
This country is insane 😢😢 I'm tired of this country, and it doesn't put our children's future first this is insane maan, we are with you Operation Dudula I think we need to join operation dudula and be a member, plz se d out membership cards plz We are tired of ANC yhooooo!!!. Yjhoooooo, Yhoooooo!!🥺🥺😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yoh sisekakeni South Africa is gone thanks to ANC
ANC = My party, my future
@@silenthunter13171troll
@@silenthunter13171 Surely you are a foreigner but hard luck because ANC they are committing suicide/self destruction.
WHAT ABOUT SOUTH AFRICAN CHILDREN.???
What happens when they are deported... Does it mean that once you have a child that is in school you are immune from deportation? What is the psychological effect to a child who is removed from school through deportation, is that not worse?
You become a recident in the country that you were born in...
That is a international law....
Not a citizen...but a resident....and residents has got the same rights as citizens..
It is what it is....
What's worse is the psychological effect on a South African child who's told there's no space in schools they envisioned themselves excelling in that are flooded by children of !llegal immigrants
@@truth-Hurts375that's not our law. In this country both or one of your parents must be a citizen in order for the child to become a citizen and the child must be born within the borders of the country. If none of the parents are citizens then it doesn't matter if the child was born here they are also illegal immigrants.
@truth-Hurts375 the question is according to international law, what happens to the schooling children upon deportation
Ja ne, tried to spite the afrikaans community...now it backfired
That's a whole other battle dude, nothing to do with this issue.
i think you fail to understand how the hatred for white people was weaponized to let the broader populace embrace the bela act...now there is broader consequences...ANC has played their voters for fools, yet again
I will go so far as to say that apartheid is the best thing that has ever happened to the ANC....forever the weapon to be used .....
How did you even arrive at this comment....how does spiting the Afrikaans community have anything to do with Fighting for what's right??
@@lebogangnyatlo1334 as Afrikaans is a truly RSA language- spoken nowhere else, schooling in Afrikaans will ALWAYS be South Africans. If the Zulu’s had Zulu language schools - the same would apply. What has stopped the Zulu Trust to build Zulu language schools and employ Zulu language teachers? Are there no Zulu speaking teachers? And the same goes for every other official language- why are we waiting for Government to give us what we want and can supply ourselves?
@@AddyM2024it's the same bill that allowed for this shit.
So ANC Government with all its resources never appealed Court Orders that are against the interests of citizens and the Country, they decided to rather package them and include them in a bill?
I am also shocked, because tgat was a high court judgement, we still had supreme court of apeal and the constitutional Court to go to. This is very much disturbing
Iam next to Fourways high school my children are going to ferndale high school because Fourways high full of foreign children some parent bought our identity special Zimbabweans because our surname are similar
All the people sitting on the panel kids are in private schools that's why they don't care the matter is not affecting them
So how will the parents get proper documentation if they came here illegally 🤷 only God knows and what should home affairs do about those kind of parents? Provide documentation even if they dont have the correct ones to enter into the country. Yhooo the more i think about this the more i get confused
What else will the anc MESS up now???!!!! Jisssssis
you forget we have GNU not ANC gpvernment alone
@@jameskillu9171 We need EFF to take over ASAP
@Jameskillu, the Bela act is the product of the ANC not GNU, hence even their biggest GNU partner was opposing its implementation. Hence the Minister of Education did not attend the signibg ceremony
@Jameskillu, by the way, are you South African, coz judging from all your comments I have seen here I am quite convinced you might also be illegal in this country
Funny enough Zandile is breaking the law but illegal foreigner's are not breaking the law hambani maan yeses
What a contradiction!
Yhaaa this country is a movie 🤞🏿🤞🏿how can SA pupils/ students MUST produce docs and ILLEGAL FOREIGNERS shouldn't yhaaa this is foolishness
AgShem, Lesufi and his Bela is giving people issues. I knew that it was going to be egg on Lesufi's face
One big problem in our country: "THE CONSTITUTION". This little book is causing huge problems for south african's and ramadollar has the power to change it but he won't, he rather play father chrismas to every country in this continent using our tax money🚮🚮
Gonna have to add a couple of new languages too then😂
Best believe that will be next bill😅
My daughter have degree for teaching but no job I remember she go to inter view at school but they take zimbabweans tea
Everything is Zimbabweans 😏🥱
@@Pitbull3342 yes, because your leaders are having mines and all sort of businesses in African countries including Zim. Any one who vote ANC or EFF, they must get on with it.
We as South African we must pay tax so that the teachers can get paid salaries while the undocumented foreign can benefit really ,is this a banana republic .ok let all the children undocumented foreign get children grants
Reminded me to pay my tax to SARS soon. I will happily pay.
Soon they will get it as long as ANC is in charge
Teachers get paid to pay tax, trust me they pay a lot of tax!
Mind you the very meals they will get in these schools the money to buy it is taxed from SAns
Stop telling us about the law and constitution… it can be amended!!!!
That's what we have been saying
@ I don’t know why they keep using the constitution as an excuse like it can’t be amended. The GNU has enough numbers to amend it
It should not be the school's responsibility to help get documentation,there mandate is to teach not imagration service
That's ANC for you
Why you blaming ANC? The admissions things was a judgment in court, ANC acting on what the court condoned. South Africa is run by the courts, when will you guys understand that?
@@AddyM2024Anc should have appealed the judgement
what about those who voted DA, PA, Action SA, ONLY for the leaders ro join ANC in GNU
We doomed as South Africans
I find this very unfair! Me and my son are South Africans, we have our 'documents' yet schools don't accept him because he has apraxia of speech. The special needs school say that they not equipped(since what he has is extremely rare) and the 'normal' schools say that not able to take on kids with those kind of issues. And yes I contacted the educational department continuously, they told me they couldn't help me unless he was enrolled in an actually school, but yet no school would accept him. Plus this was happening during covid so everything was shut down.
Now I see this.. it's so frustrating.. The EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FAIL MY SON,
My son is 12 now, at a private home school. He was denied an education from the educational system. If any of you have special needs children and trying to apply for schooling, don't disclose your child's issues on the application forms. Let the DBST deal with it when your child has been enrolled.
Is Sibanda still in South Africa?
I am shocked 😳
Dr Sibanda. That means he falls under critical skills if not a Permanent Residency already. Could have been in the country for over 20 years,
Even this Dr Sibanda is Kwere kwere 🥹he is no SA
Sibanda is a Zimbabwean surname
He is a Zimbabwean.
🇿🇦Dept of Education is a broken sector and not taking education seriously 📖 📚
The law is the law drafted by who, against who, voted by who? for who? and measured against what?
This particular clause in the law, to have an open door policy is good when and if implemented in the private schools not the public schools. If it goes broadly to an already broken public school then the disregard for quality education widens, inequalities, but was there ever a consultation?
I foresee another e-toll gate saga system
It was an illegal mining and then the courts said, protect the criminals because its stiulated in the law to protect their rights.
It is illegal parents in the country to admit their kids and with the incapacitated schools, already unturnable, unmanageable then the court disrupts it further and says documented or undocumented the Dept must not discriminate anyone.
Children must be protected but is it not their parents who are irresponsible?
So why are statements sent out that veer to it is a free for all if on one hand people are deported and on the other their children are enrolled in our public schools. The gvt is raving mad
Young parents. Leave SA with your children as fast as you can run. Leave this madness.
My tax has to pay for all this shyt.
Definitely
If you have to admit undocumented children in our schools, does this means that it is legal for undocumented parents/poeple to be in this country? Where does Home Affairs stand on this?
28 million children in Nigeria are not attending school, this means they can come to South Africa and attend school. South Africa'ns children will be disadvantaged
We are in trouble such respond from our leaders
It’s so interesting how our government is capable of coming up with bills that are in favour of everyone but South Africans, you think of land amendment, I do wish they had the same passion about amending our constitution to the favour of the majority of our people but it’s not the case
OH LORD HAVE MERCY ON OUR KIDS THAT CAN BARELY BREATHE IN THE CLASSROOM AND THE TEACHERS TOO AND HAVE MERCY ON THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.🥺🤦♀️
South Africans were for the signing of Bela acts without even reading full well it contents... Now look
So how is it going to work. We have sourh African kids who were not admitted because didnt have birth certificate. What is this
We gonna see some fires in the country and it's scary.
Zimbabwe government is seating and watching n celebrating this😅😅😅😅
A south african child was kept away from atrending school because he didnt have birth certifcate how so how do u explain that
Stolen identity,its common in South Africa🇿🇦😢
It's always NGO s like this that prioritise everyone except South Africans in South Africa. You wonder who funds them or what their motive is to make sure they oppress law abiding citezens in order to protect those that break their law, welcome to SA
Its the South African legal system failing us, they rule against government department vs foreigners and NGO's all the time. These decisions are made in court and government follows and adheres to court rulings. If you want anything changed take to to the courts.
Our own children are not getting space in our schools... This makes no sense at all. Bella act is crap
Useless unions in South Africa, resolve???? When,when🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️💔💔💔💔
The constitution needs to be changed very quick 😢😢😢yo safa 😢
You guys your children are in private school and our children face this crowded schools our haven't rights but foreign.... please ANC put South African first
What is so difficult to change the constitution can somebody explain for me
two thirds of the national assembly must agree to change anything in the constitution. It becomes difficulot to change anything because NGO's and foreigners take government departments to the High Courts and Concourt, its the judges that make final decision and can make a change.
@@AddyM2024ANC had the numbers for the past 30 years
Judges are also not reasonable and practical.
Imagine 115 learners in 1 classroom. That compromises the quality of education.
@@luckyndlovu2926 my worry is the first come first serve issue. "undocumented" foreigners are going to register their "undocumented" kids way before SAns do, we going to have millions of SAn kids not attending school due to full schools but foreign kids will be ok.
Constitution does not change based on mood
It does not make sense to say undocumented children are allowed to study here without offering the children and their parents documents.
Why do you guys see other nationals as a competition?😢
They must also look for votes from those policies and foreigners
You think they won't allow foreigners to vote like it happened in the US? Be careful what you wish for
Let's say there is a raid on illegal foreigners and the parents of the children are arrested and have to be deported, what happens to the children? Do they drop out of school?
Good question
AMMEND THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
amend the constitution to say what, that south africa discriminate against innocent small children and their education
@@jameskillu9171Yes this is not Zimbabwe wena kwerekwere
@@jameskillu9171 To stop giving equal rights to (illegal) immigrants. Yes, even their children.
But South African kids is at home without school close to their own home and our kids need documentations
The bill has been signed into law . Nelson Mandela said, “When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw”. Why would one deny right to education for children, Those against the bill should be investigated and charged
Go and demand your government in your country this is SA. Mozambicans are prepared to die for their country but you want to live in SA with a lot of demands instead of fighting your government to do what is best for you.
@@NoloyisoNopanjwa-t2m I wont argue with you with your PHD opinion,
Where is my popcorn 🍿. What a shitshow haha
A child of illegal immigrants cannot be given priority over a SAn child, all SAn children must be admitted first before those of illegal immigrants are considered. SAns need a new government that will have the guts to amend the constitution to stop this madness.
No immigrant child should get admission first before a South African child. ANC is trying to protect illegal immigrants from deportation.
Wht is happening in public schools is academic genocide. Overcrowding, no teacher learner ratio ,no effective teaching and learning. Is so cumbersome to the educators,.I believe to be a south African citizen is so painful becuz yiu must share everything wth Africa, There are people who are receiving money and benefiting on the expense of we ordinary citizens. I wish tht there can be change of roles ,for a month Ramaphosa must go to limpopo and teach those learners in those overcrowded classes.see if he can cope
Democracy never worked for anyone, kante ramaphosa wetsang...🤔
There's no such thing as Democracy.
We need a new liberation movement ASAP we are being sold all these parties are not for us.
Hey you foreigners tell me here can we do this in your beloved countries i just want to see something from you ppl😮😮😮can we get this in your countries.???
Abo sibande siyadelelwa lana enough is enough sibande anineli ukusidelela😮
Ayi kuyagcika manje 😢
Arrest everyone at this point 😩😩
Parents, please fight this madness.
THEY ARE DRAINING SA.
A good classroom must be 1:25 teacher pupil ratio.When we trained as teacher is was supposed to 1:25, this 1:40 is nonsensical as no effective teaching is happening there. Currently with the 1:40 primary school cannot read for meaning, cannot write and there is no effective teaching and learning as we speak, especially among schools found in black poor communities. These are communities that are subjected to all sorts of social ills. It is not possible to take on an added burden of children of illegal children. The South African tax base is not large enough to absorb the added burden
But you still vote for your ANC partner so don't complain on this platform.
How do I sign up to be part of the volunteers for Dudula? the only working organization in SA.
Oh God, how I wish we had a reliable government 😢 from health, education, policing, every single government department is a mess.
No law in this country baba nisenzani abo babomkhulu balilwela lelizwe bayibulala I law yabamhlophe sizoyilwela nale corrupt law enikhulumangayo
It had to happen, too many militant minded unions giving self enriching decisions, making schools a place of chaos, teaching is a love, a calling, a special person becomes a teacher, others abuse their humanity with greediness, dont expect blanket sympathy
This people are disrespect ngempela sideleliswa ama leaders ale country
I see many people are angry,
The constitution protects every child, the government must just increase Funding for Department of Education, have a ratio of 1:115 is unacceptable
SA 1st, we are really tired ngempela
No need to be rude if you want change go to the Voting poles in 2026 and 2029
They are sleeping. Come 2026 and 2029 they will stay away from polls if they do come to the polls they will be voting ANC, EFF and MK
ANC = My party, my future
@@silenthunter13171 it's going to end bad. Nothing lasts forever
So, i must take care of my neighbours children even if my don't have enough for my own? Make is make sense. The constitution and law doesn't have provisions in cases where South Africa cannot fulfill certain "nice to haves"?