This chapter was really heavy, but I agree it was probably the best chapter so far. This was a genuinely fantastic character study about both Dragona and Jodio. Also, I read this on Reddit, but someone said something really cool, which is that this event isn't just the origin of their Stands but could also act as an origin for Jodio's obsession with the idea of mechanism. It was the mechanism of society that kept that Girl Bully from being punished, and when Jodio decided to rebel against them and punish her himself, he and his family got indirectly punished by driving their father away and forcing him and Dragona to help their mom in order to survive. This, together with the stuff about Howler and the general bad portrayal of authority figures, especially the police, makes me think that a major theme of this part could be about how society as it currently exists is a giant mechanism perverting the natural order of the world by drawing in blessings or fortune for the powerful and wicked while sending misfortunes or calamities to everyone trying to oppose the system. We know that this is unnatural because fate, as explained in Part 6, always favors the righteous, so the mechanism of society favoring the evil would be its working against.
That is a really good prediction. I think there's a lot supporting it. It's basically a version of what Funny Valentine was trying to do in part 7. Using the Holy Corpse and Love Train to make America a prosperous paradise at the cost of making the rest of the world an unlivable hellscape
@@Chowder_TYou two are cooking. The accumulation of wealth by the richest of the rich has made life worse for the bottom 99%. Their blessings are fewer and they are unjustly punished for bad luck or mistakes. Meanwhile, those who are in the flow of wealth are sometimes even rewarded for their failures, or have a structure in place that let them get away with it and send the consequences to those below.
Jodio's merciless retaliation against Dragona's bullies, at least in my opinion, isn't an indicator that he's "the villain" (such a statement is silly), but a signifier of how strongly Jodio cares for Dragona.
It wasn't a retaliation against just their bullies, he set an entire bus on fire. It was full of people who were unlikely to see what had happened since it happened at the back of the bus, hell it's likely that some people who didn't ride the bus the day prior also got on the day Jodio started the fire, and the only reason he stopped it was because he saw a parrot who had no fault in it whatsoever. Those people would have been killed otherwise. It speaks to the idea of his questionable morality even from an early age and his labelling of being a psychopath, even Dragona warns him that he shouldn't continue down that path.
I would say that it shows him to be a flawed anti-hero with a messed up moral compass. He’s sort of like Jobin in how he will go too far in protecting his family.
I'm so glad we got a backstory on our joestar duo. Yeah its dark but the world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Also I feel like part 9 represents neutral energy. Because part 7 was about positive energy and part 8 was about negative energy
Something i find a bit funny but i think adds to what you were saying is johnny is very negative throughout most of part 7 with his dark determination and willingness to do whatever it takes even throw away his humanity which contrasts with the focus on positive energy of the saints corpse. Josuke on the other hand is a miracle and representation of positive which of course contrasts with the calamity of wonder of u as well as the negative theme of curses shown throughout part 8.
Totally agree, I think part 9 is gonna focus on mechanisms and the absurd and how neither of those 2 aspects of fate are inherently good or evil (mechanisms could be used for good or bad ends, and absurd events can be good or bad, tho right now it seems to be framing mechanisms as good and the absurd as bad) Edit: an example of a negative mechanism I've thought of is possibly the police, specifically how they and other parts of society seem to act against charmingman searching for his brother
We have already been presented with two songs by King Crimnson, the matte kudasai and the howler, the protagonist has pants similar to Doppio's, each chapter convinces me more that King Crimnson will appear again at some point in the part.
And with how jodio is 15 and is a criminal like giorno and theres the company which is similar to the mafia i could definitely see a diavolo counterpart being the main antagonist or at least a major enemy kinda like how dio wasnt the main antagonist of part 7
Bro I could imagine that, something like: - Jodio! You need to use November Rain! - I already did... - Huh?! - I used my Stand, but the raindrops, they... they are already on the ground! I didn't see the rain, but the raindrops already touched the ground! - Damn it! Everyone be careful, this might be an enemy Stand!
I've seen people argue that the songs are implying the group splits up before coming back together but I have a different theory. It's describing king Crimson's return in the story The 1st song is about waiting for a return (being from king Crimson it's about his return imo) The 2nd song is about being kept apart (we see king Crimson, but the cast doesn't) The 3rd song is about reuniting, the actual clash of king Crimson with our group
You're take on the ridiculous response to dragona's assault is so on point I'm so grateful to have your voice in the discourse. I never doubted you, yet you still surpassed my expectations
Jodio is a true Jojo, a heart of gold and love that won’t let discrimination and bullying slide, especially against his own family. As someone who’s got siblings irl this chapter hit close to home.
Same I related to this chapter a lot having two brothers myself also I feel jodio’s character has come full circle with part 1, being a mixture of both dio and Jonathan
Obligatory "im trans" but i appreciate that Araki depicted this kind of assault on Dragona. Being trans is difficult, and some trans people face treatment that intense, or worse. While i totally understand people being upset about that, i think that its important to show that things like this do happen to trans people, and that stromg people can come from those difficult situations. It also makes me very much appreciate Dragona as a character far more knowing how much they've overcome
The bystander effect felt so real. The person in the back seat was clearly uncomfortable with what was happening but ultimately minded their own business. The whole situation felt disturbingly realistic
The assault scene was particularly uncomfortable for me to read but I can't complain because that seems to be araki's intent with the scene. Discomfort is something art can cause.
I think someone once said art discomforts the comfortable but comforts the discomfort. A lot of my mutuals who experienced similar things in their lives appreciated the chapter for its portrayal of the experiences they went through.
Hard agree with your take on Dragona's assault. To sugarcoat or obscure its depiction would downplay the severity to a lot of people, I think. People complain about how common the SA is getting in later parts of JoJo, but the sad thing is SA is shockingly common, especially for GNC people.
Even if they aren't the head of howler, I think they definitely could be involved. It would connect the "absurd" events that happen to Dragona and Jodio to those that happened to Charmingman and Mauka. I really like this theory because it could imply their fates were entwined together through Howler long before they met a couple chapters ago.
@@edisonkelly2729Totally. I can absolutely a future flashback showing a kid on the bus's stand activating and saving them but in some still horryfying fashion that causes them to hate Jodio and Dragona. Also agree the girl bully probably has ties to howler.
XForts also noticed a bit if a yin-yang thing going on. Especially with Jodio noticing positive stuffs with his negative personality and Dragona noticing bad things with their more positive outlook.
100% agree with what you said on the "criticism" of the SA scene. This series has had multiple instances of SA as well as body gore, mutilation, and other gruesome things. That somehow this is seen as distasteful makes me question if people actually read JoJo or just watched Part 3 and wanted to cash in on the hype of the series.
I feel like Usagi is closer to Narancia they are both clearly the least mature of the group. Dragona feels more like they are meant to be a Mista stand in, clearly the closest to the main joestar and it does take a genuis to see the similarity with Sex Pistols and Smooth Operators.
Hamon Beat you are my absolute goat 🔥 I think you're in part what helped me appreciate Jojolion as much as I do (enough to be currently rereading it, which in my 5 years of being a Jojo fan I really haven't done as much as I probably should), and your nuanced takes on this subject matter and the actual story have been great and helped me in connecting the dots I couldn't manage to at times. Keep doing what you're doing man ❤
The beginning of jojolion, within its first 12-13 chapters, gets you so invested in the story and characters. Would you say you've felt something similar with jojolands so far?
imo no now don't get me wrong I do enjoy Jojolands so far but to me, the beginning hasn't been as gripping as most of the other parts that thrust you immediately into the adventure from the start. again that's not necessarily a bad thing but I did find my interest wanting a bit, especially in Rohan and Jungle Fight (those battles were mediocre especially compared to the opening battles in some of the other parts) but I'm still really enjoying it
@@jamalwalker04yeah tbh Part 7 's first battle was the toonboom family Part 8's was prolly that biker guy? Part 9's is just cats But I think it's coz it the so specific stands that the villians need to be nerfed every part
The new Howler reference gets me thinking, especially since we're pretty much expecting King Crimson to show up during this part, Matte kudesai our first KC reference was from the Discipline album, now Howler the second King crimson reference is from their album Beat. These 2 albums are part of King Crimson's 80s trilogy of albums, with the last one being Three of a perfect pair, so we're probably going to be getting a reference from that album aswell
Dragona’s speech about almost dying in the heart strongly reflects to Bucciarati’s final farewell to Giorno. Bucciarati was going to let his soul slowly die for being part of the criminal organisation that kills his hometown, but Giorno’s action changed him to rebel against the Boss when the moment came (when Trish was going to be killed). When part 9 was going to have two protagonists and is a reference to part 5, I strongly felt that Dragona was going to be the Bucciarati of this part.
Kudos to what you said there from 7:00 - 7:38, despite not being a trans person myself, I encounter a lot of the bigotry and transphobia around me especially as some of the people who say it know I'm an ally and want a reaction out of me, it's frankly disgusting so I appreciate you focusing on that point as a lot of allies just avoid it to play it safe.
The musical looks fantastic. A bunch of guys in colorful patterned full-body tights moving around all weird to pretend to be special effects is honestly the most Jojo thing they could have done.
This chapter really felt like The Jojolands coming into its own and showing how much potential it has. I’m more excited than ever to see where it goes. This was a really great analysis of the chapter
I noticed the same thing with Shuckmeister who said he was dropping Jojolands after this chapter. While I can understand why, I do feel the point regarding adding realism and showing discrimination had long been associated with Jojo and this chapter shouldn't be the exception. Still gonna see how this pans out in the end as this hasn't been my first rodeo regarding people having cold or hot takes.
Its also so weird cuz its like not the first time this topic has come up this part. Maybe it is a bit more of a sensitive topic now, but its not like its anything new and it is something worth covering since Araki portrays the bad thing as a bad thing
@@lssjgaming1599I feel like thats what makes certain manga interesting to read, as issues like these are either ignored or aren't really talked about. How else can change be made if its not widely discussed?
It's so dumb because he tried to argue in the replies that Jojo has never featured sexual assault and tried to act dumb when people pointed out the numerous example of it in the story. I genuinely think that it's as Hamon Beat is describing, he's genuinely a bigot who gets mad at people when they use "she" for dragon and resorts to posting pictures of jesus when his transphobia is questioned
Honestly I think the three protagonists so far show off the whole YinYang thing you were talking about. Johnny is the grey protagonist. He does equally as much good as he does bad. He's just kind of a man who rides the line sometimes and while is ultimately a good person is held down by his flaws. Josuke meanwhile is a more positive figure. He can be quirky, jokey, and over all is the most just of the three new protagonists. However there's still a deep sense of brutality to him. If somebody hurts those he cares about he'll be ready to beat the ever loving shit out of them, and is absolutely willing to murder rock humans. While he has a sense of mercy he's also willing to kill those he sees as unjust or evil. a bit of a mix of Josuke and Jotaro. He's the yang. Light with a bit of darkness lurking underneath. Jodio is the most sociopathic of the three so far. The most likely to murder somebody if they cross him. However there are still humanizing elements to him. He's interested in things a normal boy his age is. Dancing with cute girls, reading manga etc. He's also shown mercy every once in a while. Despite being a harsh person, there's good within him lurking deep within.
Idk about Johnny being grey. Sure, he has flaws that prevent him from being trully a hero like the Jojos before him, but I don't know if I would call him morally grey.
@@doublel1503 I mean that's where the whole grey thing comes in. A man whose human flaws prevent him from being a full hero. Johnny isn't totally the greatest guy ever but he's not a bad person. But won't lie and say that I think out of all of the heroes he's the one that rides the line the most. Johnny has to go through a lot to become a more selfless person, early on he was really in it for himself. Remember, even more so than Gyro, Ringo thought that Johnny understood his concept of true mans world. True man's world being a really messed up ideal of needing constant struggle to get stronger. Even Gyro, despite beating Ringo, never seemed to agree with or embody his idea of true man's world. (I know there's the whole "welcome to true man's world" quote, but there's a lot of nuance with that whole arc and the philosophy of true man's world.) Point being Johnny is more naturally violent than Gyro is, even if Gyro is willing to kill people who go after then. A whole point is made with Johnny being one of the first characters to have those black flames in his eyes. The eyes of a deadly ambition previous Joestars never had. Johnathan was the light that all the later joestars took from. Even if they had some darkness they were generally lighter people than the SBR universe joestars (Save for Giorno who was still pretty dark in his own right.) In this new continuity everybody inherits all sides of him. Both the good and bad. Even if he's mostly a good person Johnny's darkness still lurks within Josuke. Even if he's violent and prone to criminal acts Johnny's good is deep inside of Jodio.
I really like the way the story is going, I think the contrast between absurd events and mechanisms are gonna play into some of the later fights or the final opponents stand. We always see this "flow" or "energy" present in the final fight, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jodio's stand turns into something that can cause absurd events to occur to escape the flow of the mechanism to beat the final boss. The idea of heavy rain seems pretty similar to calamity so some control over that energy could be the reason he can do these things compared to how josuke was always using the spin with his stand
definitely my favorite chapter of the part so far, i haven't stopped thinking about it since it came out and it gives me a lot of confidence for jojolands' future
I think this chapter was phenomenal and I agree with basically everything you said in this video. On top of everything you said, I want to add that I think this may rule out jodio truly being a psychopath. Jodio's narration in the first chapter says "I guess that makes me a psychopath," which could imply that while he might be diagnosed with ASPD, he doesn't fully believe that he is one. One of the hallmark indicators for psycopathy is a lack of empathy. When Jodio lights the bus on fire and traps everyone inside, he only puts out the fire because he notices the bird in the window. In real life, some psychopaths are intentionally cruel to animals, so I think Jodio choosing to stop the fire because of the bird, rather than in spite of it, combined with the obvious empathy he shows with Dragona make it possible he really isn't a psychopath. What I think is more likely is that he has a severely warped sense of justice, hence him almost killing everyone inside, but throughout the part will develop into a more righteous one, which could tie into the series' general themes of walking the path of righteousness.
IMO Jodio choosing to spare the bus can actually check out with him having ASPD. Even if you lack an instinctual sense of empathy, ethics can still be understood and practiced by sociopaths/psychopaths. Eg. A non-sociopath could think "oh, that bird looks terrified, I feel bad for it" and spare the bus. A sociopath could think "oh, that bird didn't do anything wrong" and spare the bus.
This is probably the first time I've ever felt viscerally seen in a piece of popular media and it's very upsetting to see other people whose entire understanding of trans identity can be summed up by the porn they watch writing it off as bad for me because it makes them feel icky to see what others do to people like me regularly. You never get used to strangers demanding intimate knowledge of your genitals with the understanding that if you answer wrong you're going to be beaten to death.
I'm betting on Charmingman's stand being Out Of The Blue, the album by Electric Light Orchestra, featuring songs such as "Turn To Stone" and "Mr Blue Sky"
Yeah, showing a trans person starting their "transition" after being sexually abused and bullied by being treated as a girl sure goes against what transphobes say...
@@doublel1503 even before the Assault, the bully already keep refering to dragona as a 'girl', while it is used an insult I think the that's the point. If we want to believe that dragona is trans, the bully refering to dragona as a girl is a way of them insulting her transitioning, dragona wasn't passing as a girl back then. It's hard to explain but it's like turning something that should be positive for you, but ended up negative due to the person using it.
@@doublel1503i personally believe that dragona isn't trans more of another ambiguous character or a gender non confirming person. But with the way it's progressing rn, dragona could pass as both, I seen alot of trans or nb people sharing their story and how they relate to dragona.
The ideas of "absurd" and "mechanisms" directly contradict each other, the absurd is totally random whereas mechanisms are logical, and the lava rock seems to fit both ideas
From the very beginning it was made clear that Dragona is gender non-conforming. Discrimination and bullying over that type of thing is completely unavoidable in the real world, and thus anything with any realism is going to find it unavoidable as well. I'm extremely happy to see the stance you take on the matter, as it's extremely refreshing and reassuring. JoJo has never been afraid to portray disturbing realities, and this chapter is no different. As a trans individual myself, I found the chapter extremely enjoyable. Seeing Jodio go to such lengths to protect Dragona was a very reassuring thing for me. That section as a whole is extremely realistic, and does a ton to develop the characters and story. Again, thank you for taking the stance that you did. The fact that some people in the JoJo community have a problem with it is, if anything, proof that they haven't paid attention to the series at all. Edit: Dragona removing their scars is also a wonderful metaphor for overcoming trauma and embracing your identity.
I agree. Because why would Jodio call Dragona big brother if he cares about him. To me Dragona is a hyper feminine man who likes traditionally feminine things. P.S. Also I just realized that Dragonas name has the word drag in it.
@templebeast1324 I think the idea was it has the word dragon in it (hence the dragon pendant). Dragons are often depicted as being gender fluid in media. That was my first reaction as well.
I think my favourite thing about the corpse universe is the shared importance of family. In SBR, many members of the main cast are motivated or at least influenced by their fathers (Johnny, Gyro, Dio and FV) . JLO is very heavily driven by mothers, with the main goal of the part being saving Holly Joestar-Kira, Josefumi's motivations and Toru's death. Now in JJLA, we have siblings as a major theme as there are two sibling Joestars and an ally whose main goal is to find his brother.
Love that this Jojo is an "asshole" again ala Jotaro. But in a totally different way. Amazing that 9 Jojo parts,two universes in and I'm still just as interested in the next issue as I ever have been.
now we know exactly "how" jodio "heard" that he's a psychopath, he listened to dragona and sought "help". it also makes a lot of sense why he doesn't agree with his doctor's diagnosis, he did it for the sake of protection... and how could a "doctor" think that "protection" is a bad thing? honestly such a good part already with very accurate depictions of mental health and "dealing" with it in american culture AAAAAND it's only been 1 fucking year. araki's shining tbh
as a trans person, beat's perspective on this chapter is exactly what ive been saying since it came out. as well as the debate of dragona's chosen gender. epic video epic youtuber
I hope we get a scene where Jodio does something so violent that even Dragona hesitates to defend him. He seems like that kind of guy, and I'd hate to see the group's dynamic fall apart (but it would be so interesting fiction)
I'm thinking that the implication was that, even before this incident, Dragona was struggling with their gender and was bullied for being too feminine. Their "heart being on the verge of dying" might have been that they were at risk of shutting out these feelings entirely and discarding their femininity. But Jodio's actions allowed them to come out of their shell and express themself more openly.
I just remembered that colony stands are the manifestation of a broken or fractured soul. I think we now understand why Smooth Operators is a colony stand, and I feel stupid for forgetting that until just now.
@@blasterek04 I think the common consensus is Shegichi’s desire for wealth and just objects in general is the reason his stand is a colony. I also recall the anime at least mentioning that he doesn’t have money friends and his family was either away a lot of just didn’t give him a lot of attention, and I know that can lead to a desire to have physical things fill that hole. He clearly likes attention and doesn’t get it a lot because of his appearance so maybe that is it?
It's interesting how often money is in direct opposition to the characters already this early in the story. Especially with Jodio's mechanism deal. It feels like it's more than just explaining why all the characters got into crime. Charmingman was stopped by the cops in chapter 12, who said it costs money to search for people so they won't do it. This chapter, Dragona's assault was ignored because of the bully family's money. Their father left basically due to money issues. Also a corporation is being set up as antagonists. The lava rock seems to be the only instance of money working for the characters so far. I'd imagine that the whole part is going to continue to use the 'flow' theme in relation to money. Which seems obvious, based on the 'this is a story of how I got filthy rich' thing - but the point of it might actually be really straightforward as the story already is focusing on money and 'flow' so much.
This may be reaching a bit, but seeing how Jodio's stand is November rain, the use of the word absurd could be a reference to a Guns and Roses song by the same name
I saw some of that negative reception. I understand some people were uncomfortable with the scene but, isn't that the point? You feel frustration, and anger because that's how you should feel when facing bigotry. Many people today treat manga and any other art as simply entertaiment, so when they find something upsetting, they just hate it, which is very sad. At least I'm glad you recognize the importance of Araki depicting what many trans and queer people suffer everyday.
1 the disappearance of charming man's brother reminded me of king crimsom, when he takes trish and leaves her hand without anyone noticing 2 I think Jodio is very similar to Giorno, but at the same time he is his opposite, Giorno appreciated life and saw it as something that should be honored, and what moved Giorno the most was his justice and determination Jodio has determination and is someone who does not tolerate injustice, however, he does not have any type of empathy for people, it is as if Giorno were a psychopath. 3 The absurd events reminded me of the gyro analogy about the tennis ball, what happened to Jodio's father can be interpreted as bad luck, or as an absurd event, or as a mechanism
Perhaps my favorite part of this chapter is how Jodio mirrors Giorno and his treatment of the bullies is akin to how Giorno treated Polpo; he didn't have to like them, but when they performed a dire "insult" he felt no guilt in performing a very violent and (potentially) life ending attack on those at fault, all on behalf of an innocent who did not deserve their unfair treatment, yet curbed it with empathy for those who actually were innocent.
People get so heated online over the "trans or not trans" debate that they make the same mistake that those kids on that school bus did: they stop seeing Dragona as an actual person (in story), but as a mechanism to further their own beliefs.
yes as a gnc myself i find it really silly about arguing about this sort of thing i personally feel dragona should be handled like mikitaka y'know up to interpretation without a direct answer
i find it interesting how fire is repeatedly used to represent childhood trauma. dio killing danny, jobin's bully, but now jodio is the one setting things on fire
I feel like this chapter gives some much needed heart to the story at hand. I doubt that even bigots could stop themselves from feeling empathy for dragona. Araki manages to do this while still cherishing his grey, non black and white writing style he adapted for this part. I haven't been as hyped for part 9 as right now since it's original debut a year ago
i really liked this chapter, i think it does an excellent job at furthering the sibling bond between the two leads and setting out their character motivation, i think it's one of the best fightless chapters in the whole series. as a transfemme person, the sexual assault was tough to get through, though. I think it could've been handled a bit better, it's still a depressingly real depiction of what transfemme people have to go through and I think that's very important, but I've always struggled to get through araki's more aggressive depictions of harassment, at least this time it served a purpose beyond making a villain look evil. I'm really looking forward to what araki does in regard with dragona's identity, jojo isn't a series with great lgbt representation and im hopeful that dragona will finally be the realistic and well-handled representation the series deserves
Jodio's actions against the bullies doubles down to me that his arcana is the Tower. Especially since his father was seemingly and nonsensically dragged into the crossfire and his career ruined, despite there being vary little reason to implacate that man and the insurance company of any wrong doing since nobody knew it was Jodio. This caused Jodio and Dragona's family to fall apart after their father had to leave.
jodio is the first case of a jojo main character being a psychopath, clinically diagnosed literally, regardless of character development he's still gonna be a psycopath forever. I really wonder how araki will develop him and his perception of good and evil
one thing im sad about is that any trauma depicted in media is now often written off as 'tourture porn' in online spaces. Just a really reductive way of looking at things that has really poisoned the way people view media (berserk...)
Araki forgot for you: araki forgot how jackets work. How was Joseph able to hide the Thompson in his jacket? Not only without it showing, even ignoring that, how was it able to stay in there without falling out? How was he able to do the things he does up to then in the episode with it right below his arm or on his back? It’s a whole ass M1928 Thompson Sub Machine Gun and araki thinks it can just fit in a jacket without showing *AND* without falling out? Edit: after watching part 10 I understand how it wouldn’t show, but how would it not fall out? And don’t say he just tied it down with his belt or shoved the barrel in his pants, because that wouldn’t work either. The Tommy gun still would’ve slid down or the fact that only part of it was tied down would’ve made the stock tip back and show from the back of his jacket. Unless hamon can make shit stick to you and he did that somehow just to keep it on him
I honestly think it's really great to see this kind of representation in manga like JoJo, especially since as queer as the series is known as, it actually doesn't have that much explicit rep. It's mostly Squalo and Tiziano (technically implied but implied so heavily you'd be insane for thinking they weren't an item), Secco and Cioccolata, Sorbet and Gelato, and Scarlet Valentine, and I would not consider Scarlet Valentine to be uh. Good bisexual representation. Thankfully Araki seems to be handling Dragona with a ton of care and thought.
usagi having a stand named after a king crimson stand and the likely enemy being named after a king crimson song makes me suspicious, especially in a part that mirrors part 5. Araki may be bringing back the traitor arc that was supposed to happen with fugo. I dont believe it yet but there are some interesting connections
I (personally) view Dragona as an umbrella character, both being representation for all gender identities that are similar to trans like non binary etc , this is mainly because Araki doesn’t like explicitly mentioning gender identities/ sexuality’s in his fiction while including a lot of references and alluding characteristics of the character , like Dio being bisexual coded , Jotaro being being coded to have a neurodivergent disorder, this method allows the viewer to more closely associate with the character and allows for a wider range of people feeling represented equally.
I think it would be cool if Jodio and Dragona work in tandem as an extremely powerful force, like the combined power of their abilities. This would develop the yin and yang aspect of their characters and put a greater emphasis on their bond.
Praying for the Ultra Jump cover and the volume cover next month to be very different illustrations 🤞 Not that I really have a problem with that. It's been fun to compare the Ultra Jump and volumes covers being that they're different takes of the same drawing, but getting two visually different illustrations would be so cool
Honestly, while I was on the fence on Dragona being ambiguously gendered, as I have some strong opinions both on the trans community as well as their inclusion in media, but it progressively feels like in this instance it was done right. I mean, it feels like it wasn't "I added a trans character to the story" but rather "there are trans people in the world, and it just so happens one of them is a main character" (and in my eyes that is a crucial distinction)(I know the whole thing is rather ambiguous, but I uphold my point still)
This video was amazing. I really love your take on how people were reacting to the SA. I thought the same thing where it had alreatdu happened so it's just bigotry to single out this one scene.
I will never get over how much of a thug Child Jodio looks like.
He looks like a Funkopop if the rest of it's body was a proportional to the big head.
The real Young Thug
That's probably what Araki was going for.
He looks like a power ranger plastic toy
Reminds me of manga, Matarō is coming. Kid is bullied at school and uses black magic for revenge.
This chapter was really heavy, but I agree it was probably the best chapter so far. This was a genuinely fantastic character study about both Dragona and Jodio.
Also, I read this on Reddit, but someone said something really cool, which is that this event isn't just the origin of their Stands but could also act as an origin for Jodio's obsession with the idea of mechanism.
It was the mechanism of society that kept that Girl Bully from being punished, and when Jodio decided to rebel against them and punish her himself, he and his family got indirectly punished by driving their father away and forcing him and Dragona to help their mom in order to survive.
This, together with the stuff about Howler and the general bad portrayal of authority figures, especially the police, makes me think that a major theme of this part could be about how society as it currently exists is a giant mechanism perverting the natural order of the world by drawing in blessings or fortune for the powerful and wicked while sending misfortunes or calamities to everyone trying to oppose the system.
We know that this is unnatural because fate, as explained in Part 6, always favors the righteous, so the mechanism of society favoring the evil would be its working against.
That is a really good prediction. I think there's a lot supporting it. It's basically a version of what Funny Valentine was trying to do in part 7. Using the Holy Corpse and Love Train to make America a prosperous paradise at the cost of making the rest of the world an unlivable hellscape
@@Chowder_TYou two are cooking. The accumulation of wealth by the richest of the rich has made life worse for the bottom 99%. Their blessings are fewer and they are unjustly punished for bad luck or mistakes. Meanwhile, those who are in the flow of wealth are sometimes even rewarded for their failures, or have a structure in place that let them get away with it and send the consequences to those below.
I've found gold here.
These comments are great experiences
Basically if Valentine achieved his goal and wasn't killed by Johnny
Jodio's merciless retaliation against Dragona's bullies, at least in my opinion, isn't an indicator that he's "the villain" (such a statement is silly), but a signifier of how strongly Jodio cares for Dragona.
It wasn't a retaliation against just their bullies, he set an entire bus on fire. It was full of people who were unlikely to see what had happened since it happened at the back of the bus, hell it's likely that some people who didn't ride the bus the day prior also got on the day Jodio started the fire, and the only reason he stopped it was because he saw a parrot who had no fault in it whatsoever. Those people would have been killed otherwise.
It speaks to the idea of his questionable morality even from an early age and his labelling of being a psychopath, even Dragona warns him that he shouldn't continue down that path.
I would say that it shows him to be a flawed anti-hero with a messed up moral compass. He’s sort of like Jobin in how he will go too far in protecting his family.
There was a kid who was trying to stop the bully in there
@@KinoFlexReviews Jobin was also villainous
@@NeoAyaWell he supposedly has antisocial personality disorder
I'm so glad we got a backstory on our joestar duo. Yeah its dark but the world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Also I feel like part 9 represents neutral energy. Because part 7 was about positive energy and part 8 was about negative energy
Something i find a bit funny but i think adds to what you were saying is johnny is very negative throughout most of part 7 with his dark determination and willingness to do whatever it takes even throw away his humanity which contrasts with the focus on positive energy of the saints corpse. Josuke on the other hand is a miracle and representation of positive which of course contrasts with the calamity of wonder of u as well as the negative theme of curses shown throughout part 8.
@@collinherrin4596agreed
Totally agree, I think part 9 is gonna focus on mechanisms and the absurd and how neither of those 2 aspects of fate are inherently good or evil (mechanisms could be used for good or bad ends, and absurd events can be good or bad, tho right now it seems to be framing mechanisms as good and the absurd as bad)
Edit: an example of a negative mechanism I've thought of is possibly the police, specifically how they and other parts of society seem to act against charmingman searching for his brother
It'll be about Balance, both yin and yang
I thought the scene of Dragona moving their scars off their chest to the spoon with Smooth Operators was really touching and powerful
We have already been presented with two songs by King Crimnson, the matte kudasai and the howler, the protagonist has pants similar to Doppio's, each chapter convinces me more that King Crimnson will appear again at some point in the part.
And with how jodio is 15 and is a criminal like giorno and theres the company which is similar to the mafia i could definitely see a diavolo counterpart being the main antagonist or at least a major enemy kinda like how dio wasnt the main antagonist of part 7
plus because Jodio's ability is rain, it could be used to counter KC's timeframe removal@@mrniceguy3129
Bro I could imagine that, something like:
- Jodio! You need to use November Rain!
- I already did...
- Huh?!
- I used my Stand, but the raindrops, they... they are already on the ground! I didn't see the rain, but the raindrops already touched the ground!
- Damn it! Everyone be careful, this might be an enemy Stand!
Yeah in the same way THE actual killer queen showed in part 8, we'll see a revised king crimson this part I bet.
I've seen people argue that the songs are implying the group splits up before coming back together but I have a different theory.
It's describing king Crimson's return in the story
The 1st song is about waiting for a return (being from king Crimson it's about his return imo)
The 2nd song is about being kept apart (we see king Crimson, but the cast doesn't)
The 3rd song is about reuniting, the actual clash of king Crimson with our group
You're take on the ridiculous response to dragona's assault is so on point I'm so grateful to have your voice in the discourse. I never doubted you, yet you still surpassed my expectations
Yeah!😊
Hamon Beat? More like Hamon BASED
frfr
Jodio: "I like you. Don't come to class tomorrow."
November rain pumps up starts playing
"don't get on the bus tomorrow"
Is this a csm reference
Dragona's Absurd Adventure
Jodio's Mechanical Adventure
Jodio is a true Jojo, a heart of gold and love that won’t let discrimination and bullying slide, especially against his own family. As someone who’s got siblings irl this chapter hit close to home.
Id say hes quite literally Jojo + Dio
He resorts to terrorizing his opponents rather than beating them up
How does he have a heart of gold, he tried to kill a bus full of children
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh he’s like giorno but interesting
Same I related to this chapter a lot having two brothers myself also I feel jodio’s character has come full circle with part 1, being a mixture of both dio and Jonathan
@@pajamapantsjack5874
Giorno was and is interesting
Obligatory "im trans" but i appreciate that Araki depicted this kind of assault on Dragona. Being trans is difficult, and some trans people face treatment that intense, or worse. While i totally understand people being upset about that, i think that its important to show that things like this do happen to trans people, and that stromg people can come from those difficult situations. It also makes me very much appreciate Dragona as a character far more knowing how much they've overcome
Womp womp
The bystander effect felt so real. The person in the back seat was clearly uncomfortable with what was happening but ultimately minded their own business. The whole situation felt disturbingly realistic
At that point Dragona wasn't even trans just very Androgynous and still got fucked up for it.
The assault scene was particularly uncomfortable for me to read but I can't complain because that seems to be araki's intent with the scene. Discomfort is something art can cause.
That was the point, yeah. It’s also what made jadio almost kill them.
I think someone once said art discomforts the comfortable but comforts the discomfort. A lot of my mutuals who experienced similar things in their lives appreciated the chapter for its portrayal of the experiences they went through.
You can almost hear the malice in his voice towards a very specific TH-cam channel during the assault rant
Which one? (I couldn't tell when I watched it, sorry)
which one
@@BunnyChannel918 Shuckmeister went on a tirade saying he'll drop the series now
Hard agree with your take on Dragona's assault. To sugarcoat or obscure its depiction would downplay the severity to a lot of people, I think. People complain about how common the SA is getting in later parts of JoJo, but the sad thing is SA is shockingly common, especially for GNC people.
Theory bully girl's parents are the head of howler, it fits as rich donor
Even if they aren't the head of howler, I think they definitely could be involved. It would connect the "absurd" events that happen to Dragona and Jodio to those that happened to Charmingman and Mauka. I really like this theory because it could imply their fates were entwined together through Howler long before they met a couple chapters ago.
@carelessanonymous6570 yeah, I think bully girl and her family and a select few employees have stands.
@@edisonkelly2729Totally. I can absolutely a future flashback showing a kid on the bus's stand activating and saving them but in some still horryfying fashion that causes them to hate Jodio and Dragona. Also agree the girl bully probably has ties to howler.
They probably have something to do with it for sure
I also think so
XForts also noticed a bit if a yin-yang thing going on. Especially with Jodio noticing positive stuffs with his negative personality and Dragona noticing bad things with their more positive outlook.
Absurd? I was absurd once...the locked me in a school bus....
with a pet burd...burds make me ABSURD
@@GalekCthis made me laugh way too hard…
100% agree with what you said on the "criticism" of the SA scene. This series has had multiple instances of SA as well as body gore, mutilation, and other gruesome things. That somehow this is seen as distasteful makes me question if people actually read JoJo or just watched Part 3 and wanted to cash in on the hype of the series.
You know, young Dragona reminds me a bit of Narancia, just a bit.
I was thinking the same thing. Araki's been doing the androgynous character thing for a while, hasn't he?
Well, dude DOES look like a lady
@@deadcool3227 hah i see what you did there.
I feel like Usagi is closer to Narancia they are both clearly the least mature of the group. Dragona feels more like they are meant to be a Mista stand in, clearly the closest to the main joestar and it does take a genuis to see the similarity with Sex Pistols and Smooth Operators.
Looks like emo Giorno to me
I literally can't wait for all this to be animated. Jesus jojolands is so fucking good so far.
This is going to be a tough episode to watch.
can't wait for 2037
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Can't wait to watch this while pulling social security too. :P
no jesus was in SBR
The fact that "Howler" is another King Crimson reference makes me hyped about this next arc :))
Makes me wonder if there will be someone with King Crimson as their stand in the future of the part. That would be so hype
Hamon Beat you are my absolute goat 🔥 I think you're in part what helped me appreciate Jojolion as much as I do (enough to be currently rereading it, which in my 5 years of being a Jojo fan I really haven't done as much as I probably should), and your nuanced takes on this subject matter and the actual story have been great and helped me in connecting the dots I couldn't manage to at times. Keep doing what you're doing man ❤
The beginning of jojolion, within its first 12-13 chapters, gets you so invested in the story and characters. Would you say you've felt something similar with jojolands so far?
For sure
@Hamon_Beat Araki does know how to get people invested in his stories from the beginning. Thank you for answering my question
100%, I was sold from chapter 1
imo no now don't get me wrong I do enjoy Jojolands so far but to me, the beginning hasn't been as gripping as most of the other parts that thrust you immediately into the adventure from the start. again that's not necessarily a bad thing but I did find my interest wanting a bit, especially in Rohan and Jungle Fight (those battles were mediocre especially compared to the opening battles in some of the other parts) but I'm still really enjoying it
@@jamalwalker04yeah tbh
Part 7 's first battle was the toonboom family
Part 8's was prolly that biker guy?
Part 9's is just cats
But I think it's coz it the so specific stands that the villians need to be nerfed every part
The new Howler reference gets me thinking, especially since we're pretty much expecting King Crimson to show up during this part, Matte kudesai our first KC reference was from the Discipline album, now Howler the second King crimson reference is from their album Beat. These 2 albums are part of King Crimson's 80s trilogy of albums, with the last one being Three of a perfect pair, so we're probably going to be getting a reference from that album aswell
Can't wait for my future favorite stand, the King Crimson Barber Shop
@@ryanspence5831I'm Tony
I'm Billy
I'm Bobby
I'm Belew
We're here to sing and play for you
7:22
Damn hamon beat did not know you were chill like that.
lmaoooo
This chapter was so much for me, like I think more about this chapter than the chapter where they reveal Rohan
Dragona’s speech about almost dying in the heart strongly reflects to Bucciarati’s final farewell to Giorno. Bucciarati was going to let his soul slowly die for being part of the criminal organisation that kills his hometown, but Giorno’s action changed him to rebel against the Boss when the moment came (when Trish was going to be killed). When part 9 was going to have two protagonists and is a reference to part 5, I strongly felt that Dragona was going to be the Bucciarati of this part.
Kudos to what you said there from 7:00 - 7:38, despite not being a trans person myself, I encounter a lot of the bigotry and transphobia around me especially as some of the people who say it know I'm an ally and want a reaction out of me, it's frankly disgusting so I appreciate you focusing on that point as a lot of allies just avoid it to play it safe.
6:55 - 7:38
HAMON BEAT BE SPITTIN FACTS
The musical looks fantastic. A bunch of guys in colorful patterned full-body tights moving around all weird to pretend to be special effects is honestly the most Jojo thing they could have done.
'S basically what a stand is, no?
I appreciate your reading of the criticisms about the assault scene, thank you Hamon Beat ❤
This chapter really felt like The Jojolands coming into its own and showing how much potential it has. I’m more excited than ever to see where it goes. This was a really great analysis of the chapter
I noticed the same thing with Shuckmeister who said he was dropping Jojolands after this chapter. While I can understand why, I do feel the point regarding adding realism and showing discrimination had long been associated with Jojo and this chapter shouldn't be the exception. Still gonna see how this pans out in the end as this hasn't been my first rodeo regarding people having cold or hot takes.
Its also so weird cuz its like not the first time this topic has come up this part. Maybe it is a bit more of a sensitive topic now, but its not like its anything new and it is something worth covering since Araki portrays the bad thing as a bad thing
@@lssjgaming1599I feel like thats what makes certain manga interesting to read, as issues like these are either ignored or aren't really talked about. How else can change be made if its not widely discussed?
It's so dumb because he tried to argue in the replies that Jojo has never featured sexual assault and tried to act dumb when people pointed out the numerous example of it in the story. I genuinely think that it's as Hamon Beat is describing, he's genuinely a bigot who gets mad at people when they use "she" for dragon and resorts to posting pictures of jesus when his transphobia is questioned
Honestly I think the three protagonists so far show off the whole YinYang thing you were talking about.
Johnny is the grey protagonist. He does equally as much good as he does bad. He's just kind of a man who rides the line sometimes and while is ultimately a good person is held down by his flaws.
Josuke meanwhile is a more positive figure. He can be quirky, jokey, and over all is the most just of the three new protagonists. However there's still a deep sense of brutality to him. If somebody hurts those he cares about he'll be ready to beat the ever loving shit out of them, and is absolutely willing to murder rock humans. While he has a sense of mercy he's also willing to kill those he sees as unjust or evil. a bit of a mix of Josuke and Jotaro. He's the yang. Light with a bit of darkness lurking underneath.
Jodio is the most sociopathic of the three so far. The most likely to murder somebody if they cross him. However there are still humanizing elements to him. He's interested in things a normal boy his age is. Dancing with cute girls, reading manga etc. He's also shown mercy every once in a while. Despite being a harsh person, there's good within him lurking deep within.
Idk about Johnny being grey. Sure, he has flaws that prevent him from being trully a hero like the Jojos before him, but I don't know if I would call him morally grey.
@@doublel1503 I mean that's where the whole grey thing comes in. A man whose human flaws prevent him from being a full hero. Johnny isn't totally the greatest guy ever but he's not a bad person.
But won't lie and say that I think out of all of the heroes he's the one that rides the line the most. Johnny has to go through a lot to become a more selfless person, early on he was really in it for himself.
Remember, even more so than Gyro, Ringo thought that Johnny understood his concept of true mans world. True man's world being a really messed up ideal of needing constant struggle to get stronger. Even Gyro, despite beating Ringo, never seemed to agree with or embody his idea of true man's world. (I know there's the whole "welcome to true man's world" quote, but there's a lot of nuance with that whole arc and the philosophy of true man's world.) Point being Johnny is more naturally violent than Gyro is, even if Gyro is willing to kill people who go after then.
A whole point is made with Johnny being one of the first characters to have those black flames in his eyes. The eyes of a deadly ambition previous Joestars never had.
Johnathan was the light that all the later joestars took from. Even if they had some darkness they were generally lighter people than the SBR universe joestars (Save for Giorno who was still pretty dark in his own right.)
In this new continuity everybody inherits all sides of him. Both the good and bad. Even if he's mostly a good person Johnny's darkness still lurks within Josuke. Even if he's violent and prone to criminal acts Johnny's good is deep inside of Jodio.
I really like the way the story is going, I think the contrast between absurd events and mechanisms are gonna play into some of the later fights or the final opponents stand. We always see this "flow" or "energy" present in the final fight, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jodio's stand turns into something that can cause absurd events to occur to escape the flow of the mechanism to beat the final boss. The idea of heavy rain seems pretty similar to calamity so some control over that energy could be the reason he can do these things compared to how josuke was always using the spin with his stand
definitely my favorite chapter of the part so far, i haven't stopped thinking about it since it came out and it gives me a lot of confidence for jojolands' future
I think this chapter was phenomenal and I agree with basically everything you said in this video. On top of everything you said, I want to add that I think this may rule out jodio truly being a psychopath. Jodio's narration in the first chapter says "I guess that makes me a psychopath," which could imply that while he might be diagnosed with ASPD, he doesn't fully believe that he is one. One of the hallmark indicators for psycopathy is a lack of empathy. When Jodio lights the bus on fire and traps everyone inside, he only puts out the fire because he notices the bird in the window. In real life, some psychopaths are intentionally cruel to animals, so I think Jodio choosing to stop the fire because of the bird, rather than in spite of it, combined with the obvious empathy he shows with Dragona make it possible he really isn't a psychopath. What I think is more likely is that he has a severely warped sense of justice, hence him almost killing everyone inside, but throughout the part will develop into a more righteous one, which could tie into the series' general themes of walking the path of righteousness.
IMO Jodio choosing to spare the bus can actually check out with him having ASPD. Even if you lack an instinctual sense of empathy, ethics can still be understood and practiced by sociopaths/psychopaths.
Eg. A non-sociopath could think "oh, that bird looks terrified, I feel bad for it" and spare the bus. A sociopath could think "oh, that bird didn't do anything wrong" and spare the bus.
Good point@@darthvaderreviews6926
This is probably the first time I've ever felt viscerally seen in a piece of popular media and it's very upsetting to see other people whose entire understanding of trans identity can be summed up by the porn they watch writing it off as bad for me because it makes them feel icky to see what others do to people like me regularly.
You never get used to strangers demanding intimate knowledge of your genitals with the understanding that if you answer wrong you're going to be beaten to death.
As someone who is a trans JoJo Stan, I appreciate how respectfully you handled the Dragona stuff, regardless if they're actually trans or not.
I'm betting on Charmingman's stand being Out Of The Blue, the album by Electric Light Orchestra, featuring songs such as "Turn To Stone" and "Mr Blue Sky"
NEW HAMON BEAT DROP
Jodio the kind of mf to say "her pronouns are they/them!"
Araki rooting out the transphobes with this chapter. That’s my goat, man. I’m glad he did this, bringing awareness is perfectly valid
Yeah, showing a trans person starting their "transition" after being sexually abused and bullied by being treated as a girl sure goes against what transphobes say...
@@doublel1503tbf even in the begining when the bullying starts , dragona is already in the process of transitioning.
@@sanest-luchino-fan What makes you say that?
@@doublel1503 even before the Assault, the bully already keep refering to dragona as a 'girl', while it is used an insult I think the that's the point.
If we want to believe that dragona is trans, the bully refering to dragona as a girl is a way of them insulting her transitioning, dragona wasn't passing as a girl back then.
It's hard to explain but it's like turning something that should be positive for you, but ended up negative due to the person using it.
@@doublel1503i personally believe that dragona isn't trans more of another ambiguous character or a gender non confirming person.
But with the way it's progressing rn, dragona could pass as both, I seen alot of trans or nb people sharing their story and how they relate to dragona.
you handled this chapter alot better than shuckmeister did lol
This ain't it chief
Shuck has always been a loser, though. So it’s mostly fine
Saw his tweet
Did something else happened ?
He's legit the worst jojotuber and shouldn't ever make a video about jojo again, his takes are worthless 😂
@@HayatoStarGod yes 20 min ago he talk about this video
The ideas of "absurd" and "mechanisms" directly contradict each other, the absurd is totally random whereas mechanisms are logical, and the lava rock seems to fit both ideas
From the very beginning it was made clear that Dragona is gender non-conforming. Discrimination and bullying over that type of thing is completely unavoidable in the real world, and thus anything with any realism is going to find it unavoidable as well. I'm extremely happy to see the stance you take on the matter, as it's extremely refreshing and reassuring.
JoJo has never been afraid to portray disturbing realities, and this chapter is no different. As a trans individual myself, I found the chapter extremely enjoyable. Seeing Jodio go to such lengths to protect Dragona was a very reassuring thing for me. That section as a whole is extremely realistic, and does a ton to develop the characters and story.
Again, thank you for taking the stance that you did. The fact that some people in the JoJo community have a problem with it is, if anything, proof that they haven't paid attention to the series at all.
Edit: Dragona removing their scars is also a wonderful metaphor for overcoming trauma and embracing your identity.
I agree. Because why would Jodio call Dragona big brother if he cares about him. To me Dragona is a hyper feminine man who likes traditionally feminine things.
P.S. Also I just realized that Dragonas name has the word drag in it.
@templebeast1324 I think the idea was it has the word dragon in it (hence the dragon pendant). Dragons are often depicted as being gender fluid in media. That was my first reaction as well.
Incredible breakdown of the chapter and its themes in relation to jojo as a whole, keep up the great work.
El Aleph is a famous book written by argentinian author Jorge Luis Borges, the jojo novel plays with the concepts introduced by Borges
I think my favourite thing about the corpse universe is the shared importance of family. In SBR, many members of the main cast are motivated or at least influenced by their fathers (Johnny, Gyro, Dio and FV) . JLO is very heavily driven by mothers, with the main goal of the part being saving Holly Joestar-Kira, Josefumi's motivations and Toru's death. Now in JJLA, we have siblings as a major theme as there are two sibling Joestars and an ally whose main goal is to find his brother.
7:20 TALK TO EM HAMON BEAT
Props to Jojolion and Jojolands for making more uncomfortable about needles and eyelash curlers.
Love that this Jojo is an "asshole" again ala Jotaro. But in a totally different way. Amazing that 9 Jojo parts,two universes in and I'm still just as interested in the next issue as I ever have been.
now we know exactly "how" jodio "heard" that he's a psychopath, he listened to dragona and sought "help". it also makes a lot of sense why he doesn't agree with his doctor's diagnosis, he did it for the sake of protection... and how could a "doctor" think that "protection" is a bad thing? honestly such a good part already with very accurate depictions of mental health and "dealing" with it in american culture AAAAAND it's only been 1 fucking year. araki's shining tbh
I can't wait to find out the name of Charmingman's Stand
as a trans person, beat's perspective on this chapter is exactly what ive been saying since it came out. as well as the debate of dragona's chosen gender. epic video epic youtuber
Based Hamon Beat activities
Bro called out Shuckmeister 👀👀👀
Jojotwt all celebrating meister’s declaration of leaving part 9 last week was magical to watch
I hope we get a scene where Jodio does something so violent that even Dragona hesitates to defend him. He seems like that kind of guy, and I'd hate to see the group's dynamic fall apart (but it would be so interesting fiction)
I'm thinking that the implication was that, even before this incident, Dragona was struggling with their gender and was bullied for being too feminine. Their "heart being on the verge of dying" might have been that they were at risk of shutting out these feelings entirely and discarding their femininity. But Jodio's actions allowed them to come out of their shell and express themself more openly.
Fantastic video Hamon Beat, you nailed it on all the points where people were talking trash on what happened in this chapter
I just remembered that colony stands are the manifestation of a broken or fractured soul. I think we now understand why Smooth Operators is a colony stand, and I feel stupid for forgetting that until just now.
Harvest seems like exception to this rule.
@@blasterek04 I think the common consensus is Shegichi’s desire for wealth and just objects in general is the reason his stand is a colony. I also recall the anime at least mentioning that he doesn’t have money friends and his family was either away a lot of just didn’t give him a lot of attention, and I know that can lead to a desire to have physical things fill that hole. He clearly likes attention and doesn’t get it a lot because of his appearance so maybe that is it?
@@SolomonPleasent
Huh. That makes sense.
@@SolomonPleasentthat'd depressing... I wonder if his parents notice he died or missing now
@@blasterek04harvest operated while its user was unconscious, no, proving that it is one of the more powerful stands.
Jodio feels like a evolution to giorno someone who has darkness but the jostar heart.
He also got that Jotaro "I dont give a f" attitude as well.
It's interesting how often money is in direct opposition to the characters already this early in the story. Especially with Jodio's mechanism deal. It feels like it's more than just explaining why all the characters got into crime.
Charmingman was stopped by the cops in chapter 12, who said it costs money to search for people so they won't do it.
This chapter, Dragona's assault was ignored because of the bully family's money.
Their father left basically due to money issues.
Also a corporation is being set up as antagonists.
The lava rock seems to be the only instance of money working for the characters so far. I'd imagine that the whole part is going to continue to use the 'flow' theme in relation to money. Which seems obvious, based on the 'this is a story of how I got filthy rich' thing - but the point of it might actually be really straightforward as the story already is focusing on money and 'flow' so much.
This may be reaching a bit, but seeing how Jodio's stand is November rain, the use of the word absurd could be a reference to a Guns and Roses song by the same name
Excelent review! I'm enjoying jojolands a lot so far
I saw some of that negative reception. I understand some people were uncomfortable with the scene but, isn't that the point? You feel frustration, and anger because that's how you should feel when facing bigotry. Many people today treat manga and any other art as simply entertaiment, so when they find something upsetting, they just hate it, which is very sad. At least I'm glad you recognize the importance of Araki depicting what many trans and queer people suffer everyday.
1 the disappearance of charming man's brother reminded me of king crimsom, when he takes trish and leaves her hand without anyone noticing
2 I think Jodio is very similar to Giorno, but at the same time he is his opposite, Giorno appreciated life and saw it as something that should be honored, and what moved Giorno the most was his justice and determination
Jodio has determination and is someone who does not tolerate injustice, however, he does not have any type of empathy for people, it is as if Giorno were a psychopath.
3 The absurd events reminded me of the gyro analogy about the tennis ball, what happened to Jodio's father can be interpreted as bad luck, or as an absurd event, or as a mechanism
The absurd events reminded me of the philosophy of absurdism.
We need flashback man. He's a remnant of yoshikage's memory since gappy recognized him despite having no memories.
Flashback was forgotten no matter what Hamon Beat say
@@arran4285 jodio's dad may have been flashback man, I see resemblance
Me and you and the true intellectuals, Araki is going to add Flashback Man in part 9, I’m telling you.
@@thegodofsoapkekcario1970funny throwaway theory Flashback man is head of howler.
I really hope there will be a Joestar tag team beatdown in the future.
0:14 goddammit hes doing that pose again
Your mom's ass dis big
@@self-proclaimedanimatorwhy did I read you're comments in Vanoss voice..
I think that part about the absurd is going to be really thematically important down the line.
Perhaps my favorite part of this chapter is how Jodio mirrors Giorno and his treatment of the bullies is akin to how Giorno treated Polpo; he didn't have to like them, but when they performed a dire "insult" he felt no guilt in performing a very violent and (potentially) life ending attack on those at fault, all on behalf of an innocent who did not deserve their unfair treatment, yet curbed it with empathy for those who actually were innocent.
Also interesting how past dragona look alot like Shiobana haruno giorno
The turning off the phone scene made me think more about how the gang has been pretty much groomed by her wich is pretty messed up
People get so heated online over the "trans or not trans" debate that they make the same mistake that those kids on that school bus did: they stop seeing Dragona as an actual person (in story), but as a mechanism to further their own beliefs.
That was very well said.
mechanism!!!!! Jojolands reference
yes as a gnc myself i find it really silly about arguing about this sort of thing
i personally feel dragona should be handled like mikitaka y'know up to interpretation without a direct answer
i find it interesting how fire is repeatedly used to represent childhood trauma. dio killing danny, jobin's bully, but now jodio is the one setting things on fire
another awesome video
haven't watched it yet but this guys videos are always awesome
I feel like this chapter gives some much needed heart to the story at hand. I doubt that even bigots could stop themselves from feeling empathy for dragona. Araki manages to do this while still cherishing his grey, non black and white writing style he adapted for this part. I haven't been as hyped for part 9 as right now since it's original debut a year ago
Bro did a whole disstrack 7:00
i really liked this chapter, i think it does an excellent job at furthering the sibling bond between the two leads and setting out their character motivation, i think it's one of the best fightless chapters in the whole series. as a transfemme person, the sexual assault was tough to get through, though. I think it could've been handled a bit better, it's still a depressingly real depiction of what transfemme people have to go through and I think that's very important, but I've always struggled to get through araki's more aggressive depictions of harassment, at least this time it served a purpose beyond making a villain look evil. I'm really looking forward to what araki does in regard with dragona's identity, jojo isn't a series with great lgbt representation and im hopeful that dragona will finally be the realistic and well-handled representation the series deserves
Part 7 recurring stand:-The world
Part 8 recurring stand:-Killer queen
Part 9 recurring stand:-Howler
(A song by the band king crimson)?
Jodio really is the alternate Giorno but if his DIO side was the dominant one
Jodio's actions against the bullies doubles down to me that his arcana is the Tower. Especially since his father was seemingly and nonsensically dragged into the crossfire and his career ruined, despite there being vary little reason to implacate that man and the insurance company of any wrong doing since nobody knew it was Jodio. This caused Jodio and Dragona's family to fall apart after their father had to leave.
Im calling it now that bird ends up being apart of another stand ability
jodio is the first case of a jojo main character being a psychopath, clinically diagnosed literally, regardless of character development he's still gonna be a psycopath forever. I really wonder how araki will develop him and his perception of good and evil
one thing im sad about is that any trauma depicted in media is now often written off as 'tourture porn' in online spaces. Just a really reductive way of looking at things that has really poisoned the way people view media (berserk...)
Araki forgot for you: araki forgot how jackets work. How was Joseph able to hide the Thompson in his jacket? Not only without it showing, even ignoring that, how was it able to stay in there without falling out? How was he able to do the things he does up to then in the episode with it right below his arm or on his back? It’s a whole ass M1928 Thompson Sub Machine Gun and araki thinks it can just fit in a jacket without showing *AND* without falling out?
Edit: after watching part 10 I understand how it wouldn’t show, but how would it not fall out? And don’t say he just tied it down with his belt or shoved the barrel in his pants, because that wouldn’t work either. The Tommy gun still would’ve slid down or the fact that only part of it was tied down would’ve made the stock tip back and show from the back of his jacket. Unless hamon can make shit stick to you and he did that somehow just to keep it on him
Truly a beaten hamon moment
I honestly think it's really great to see this kind of representation in manga like JoJo, especially since as queer as the series is known as, it actually doesn't have that much explicit rep. It's mostly Squalo and Tiziano (technically implied but implied so heavily you'd be insane for thinking they weren't an item), Secco and Cioccolata, Sorbet and Gelato, and Scarlet Valentine, and I would not consider Scarlet Valentine to be uh.
Good bisexual representation. Thankfully Araki seems to be handling Dragona with a ton of care and thought.
usagi having a stand named after a king crimson stand and the likely enemy being named after a king crimson song makes me suspicious, especially in a part that mirrors part 5. Araki may be bringing back the traitor arc that was supposed to happen with fugo. I dont believe it yet but there are some interesting connections
I’m really excited to see mechanism and absurdity as the two main opposing forces of the arc
This looks so promising
I think King Crimson is going to come back like how the world and killer queen came back in part 7 and 8
This is really one of the darkest but best chapters in JoJo
JOJOLands new chapter les go
I (personally) view
Dragona as an umbrella character, both being representation for all gender identities that are similar to trans like non binary etc , this is mainly because Araki doesn’t like explicitly mentioning gender identities/ sexuality’s in his fiction while including a lot of references and alluding characteristics of the character , like Dio being bisexual coded , Jotaro being being coded to have a neurodivergent disorder, this method allows the viewer to more closely associate with the character and allows for a wider range of people feeling represented equally.
This was an awesome chapter and really shows how crazy Jodio is and can be for sure one of the most messed up things a jojo has done
I think it would be cool if Jodio and Dragona work in tandem as an extremely powerful force, like the combined power of their abilities. This would develop the yin and yang aspect of their characters and put a greater emphasis on their bond.
Praying for the Ultra Jump cover and the volume cover next month to be very different illustrations 🤞
Not that I really have a problem with that. It's been fun to compare the Ultra Jump and volumes covers being that they're different takes of the same drawing, but getting two visually different illustrations would be so cool
I'm waiting for two things in this part
1. Who will Jodio become? JOdio or joDIO
2. Who's the boss~u of Howler and what kind of Stand they have
Honestly, while I was on the fence on Dragona being ambiguously gendered, as I have some strong opinions both on the trans community as well as their inclusion in media, but it progressively feels like in this instance it was done right. I mean, it feels like it wasn't "I added a trans character to the story" but rather "there are trans people in the world, and it just so happens one of them is a main character" (and in my eyes that is a crucial distinction)(I know the whole thing is rather ambiguous, but I uphold my point still)
This video was amazing. I really love your take on how people were reacting to the SA. I thought the same thing where it had alreatdu happened so it's just bigotry to single out this one scene.