this is the straw that broke the camels back that made me unsub after 8 years - since beta - and thousands of euro spent on a game i have always supported. The changes over the past years have made the game worse and worse while the chapter value dropped more and more...I guess im grateful to the combat team as this was the kick i needed to move on...and i will remember never to touch anything again that is developed by zos in the future
I really dont understand why devolepers wont make every skill a Good Choice in PvP and pve! Now each class have arrpund 20 Good choices and maybe 50 skills are totally rubbish... Adjust those skills to make better variaty .
Nice video, always been a fan of the bow, i use to manage with my NB but your templar approach looks great, I wonder tho, how did you arrange your champion points?
I'm pretty sure I'll still figure a way to make jabs on stamplar still hit hard. There will always be nonsensical changes , but there will always be a way; even if it needs to be squishier than normal.
Thanks for analysis however I have no interest in playing a Stamina Templar this way, so if nothing changes will shelve and play a different class. Classes should feel different.
Playstyle matters, and sudden changes which require adopting a totally different way of playing are very discouraging. I'm not going to play for a while until I figure out my next direction. This sort of thing has been happening so frequently that after a while you just give up.
Here is my suggestion for a solution to the power creep and Gap. That would be balanced and skill oriented. And would get rid of the unnecessary balance changes that the devs have set forth for testing. My suggestion would be to leave the core mechanics similar to what they are already existing in the game. For these veteran trials and hard modes and veteran dungeons and their hard modes, what should be done is already an existing core mechanic in other parts of the game and could be incorporated into these dungeons and trials. What I'm speaking of is like for example the Dolmens in Summerset. The harder you come at them and the more powerful you or your group including randoms around you hit it. The more the Dolmens throw at you meaning they get harder and the final boss has more health and becomes more difficult to kill. If you are by yourself and stand there and light attack the ads that come at you taking your time and barely doing any damage the final boss is like a wet noodle. NOW I'm not suggesting if you do like light damage in a trial than the boss would be like a wet noodle there should be a bottom level where all bosses start at in their power and the harder you hit the dungeon the more powerful and harder it is for that boss to be killed including the ads in between bosses and the ads thrown at you during the boss fight. Essentially veteran mode could be removed (meaning) that the harder you hit the dungeon it becomes veteran because of your damage dealt. And things like Trifecta and no death runs achievements would only be given if you hit the dungeon from the very beginning with everything you got all the way to the end and you reach a certain score of damage and time it has taken you together for the game to consider you doing it in hard mode vet. This way people at the bottom of the power level would still be able to enjoy trials and DLC dungeons and learn the mechanics and get better so they could progress. Which would also mean people at the very top tier, the 1% of gamers could and would still be challenged by a dungeon that's smart enough to know you are coming in there whooping some butt and it's going to throw everything it's got at you just like as if it was that hard mode. And mid-tier gamers would have a dungeon or trial thrown at them slightly less harder than the 1%, but definitely harder than the lower percent of the power band. Say things like DLC dungeons. Low end players could enter that dungeon and practice and see how far they can get. And say maybe the game would give a scorecard letting them know how far their group was from receiving a vet accomplishment which would include a monster helmet. Not an individual scorecard but a group scorecard knowing the basic damage and time outputs of that group with maybe a few suggestions on what they can do to improve performance. Or if you give a individual scorecard let it be private only to that player so the group would not be able to see it but the player would know what they need to do to improve. So to sum this up. Smart dungeons & trials that adjust to your power band and give rewards accordingly to your progression through that dungeon or trial. Meaning no achievements unless you come at it full force but still passable by mid and lower tiered players Leave existing basic combat mechanics that the community has grown to love and gotten used to except for small minor changes adjustments and tweaks. Implement a group or individual suggestion card for improvement and help after completing said dungeons or trials. I wholeheartedly believe this would satisfy the upper 1% the upper 2% and the lower end and everything in between. Making the game fun and accessible and challenging for all ESO players
@@MrJPD123 yes, you can have more sd than wd and your stamina attacks scale from the higher but if yoy have more weapon damage and pretend to be magplar, you should have the majority of your points in magicka to be able to spam your magic abilities Edit: all your offensive damage scales from the higher of spell/weapon damage, there are abilities that scales from both (normally in ability description you can read the source of scaling) but usually the bast majority of skills scales only in the higher resource of damage
Nerfing burning light? Ok But Jabs!? It‘s like THE signature move of a Templer I mean it doesn‘t affect me personally because i am playing a PvP MagPlar Healer.. but still Feels really wrong
The issue with jabs/sweeps is it's kind of an overloaded ability. It's like the dual wield spammable on steroids. It's cheep, it does great single target damage, cleaves, snares, heals(for mag), and doesn't require you to have a target to use. You could completely remove any of those things aside from the single target damage and it would still be the most overloaded spammable in the game. As someone who plays a templar alot, while I understand that jabs is visually iconic, I would argue that flurry or really any other purely single target spammable should do more damage because of how many other things jabs does. As is on live it is a one size fits all solution to every problem and makes other abilities feel non viable simply by existing in competition to them. If you don't like jabs you can kind of get away from it in pve where you don't need a swiss army spammable, but in pvp? Jabs or bust.
Watch. by the time u36 comes out. They’ll revert most of this BS. Zos needs to stop overcompensating. Instead of 20-30% changes try 10-15% for once ffs.
I think everyone can agree Templar was OP and needed a nerf but this isn’t just a nerf this is now a bottom tier class. ZOS is just idk I don’t like calling devs stupid because they clearly have the experience and do things I never could but they do make stupid decisions.
They fucked up 2 other major builds for templar, and forced us to go into the next best thing. Nothing was buffed to enable this or make it comparable to the old good builds. It's just the next best thing now. How tf is that adapting lmfao
@@allanpalacios8399 : Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now passively grants Minor Expedition while slotted, instead of increasing your movement speed by 25% while in sneak or invisible. This morph now also increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by up to 300 for 15 seconds after leaving sneak or invisibility while in combat. Stygian -(5 items) When you leave Sneak or invisibility while in combat, your Weapon and Spell Damage is increased by 369 for 15 seconds. Strike form the Shadows - When you leave Sneak, invisibility, or Mist Form your Weapon and Spell Damage is increased by 300 for 6 seconds. 1000 weapon dmg on demand, and all this at the cost of pressing 1 key. 90% of the NB use clever alchemist= 600 dmg after using potion in combat, so basicaly you have 1600 dmg on top of what dmg you already have at the price of one potion use/invis/ in combat. Combine this with reduce potion cd glyphs and you have 1200 dmg 24/7. Expensive but doable. And you can go with the brawler cloak morph. So yea, tell me more ...
Zos really hates class balance, could’ve just buffed warden and nb but decided to hammer down on stamplar and sorc. Really frustrated with the dead classes in this game
Look at how they massacred my boi
Bruh who were you fighting for these tests 🤣 they literally were jumping around doing nothing u didn’t even have to heal yourself
Forget that, this rat used bow ult. Which mong videos have I come to?!
@@deusrex6230 😂😂 I was really looking at this fight sideways this must be 2 troll setups lol
I main stam plar I have since launch this video is a abomination build get it out of here😂🤣
@@hecticdream5434 😭😭 definitely not for dueling, facts
Geek
i liked maplar with puncturing sweep now dont even enjoy playing her and definitely dont feel confident to do vet trials anymore
this is the straw that broke the camels back that made me unsub after 8 years - since beta - and thousands of euro spent on a game i have always supported. The changes over the past years have made the game worse and worse while the chapter value dropped more and more...I guess im grateful to the combat team as this was the kick i needed to move on...and i will remember never to touch anything again that is developed by zos in the future
I'm also gonna cancel my eso plus.
lol sorry u have to work for kills and be skilled like every other class now.
Honestly, if you aren't willing adapt to be a better player then you should quit tbh.
@@gresno198 untill when?
@@cozyinmydior the most stupid kind of comments ever
So for MOST people if jabs are dead than the Templar is worthless
yeah because its all these idiots spam... so annoying
I really dont understand why devolepers wont make every skill a Good Choice in PvP and pve! Now each class have arrpund 20 Good choices and maybe 50 skills are totally rubbish... Adjust those skills to make better variaty .
Ikr? Every game that has went the route of "everything is OP" is always more fun than "everything sucks except 4 abilities"
Stamplar Redgurd, I was already dead...I just didn't know it yet...
I hate that you said this because this is exactly why I chose 😂
Nice video, always been a fan of the bow, i use to manage with my NB but your templar approach looks great, I wonder tho, how did you arrange your champion points?
The new animation SUCKS, this patch is going to kill eso endgame
Wow, half of AD on computer server US were jabbers, they won't know what to do in PvP now.
I'm pretty sure I'll still figure a way to make jabs on stamplar still hit hard. There will always be nonsensical changes , but there will always be a way; even if it needs to be squishier than normal.
Thanks for analysis however I have no interest in playing a Stamina Templar this way, so if nothing changes will shelve and play a different class. Classes should feel different.
Playstyle matters, and sudden changes which require adopting a totally different way of playing are very discouraging. I'm not going to play for a while until I figure out my next direction. This sort of thing has been happening so frequently that after a while you just give up.
It's like when they nerfed the spear and shard stuns on templar, they will gut this class untill it can only be a stamplar or healer (Magic)
Yeah at this point idk what they're doing and I don't think they do either.
with one word "Dead. Will be all NBs next patch. RiP DK, sorc and templar. (also warden)
Nb's and harmony necros
Keep it that way
Here is my suggestion for a solution to the power creep and Gap. That would be balanced and skill oriented. And would get rid of the unnecessary balance changes that the devs have set forth for testing.
My suggestion would be to leave the core mechanics similar to what they are already existing in the game. For these veteran trials and hard modes and veteran dungeons and their hard modes, what should be done is already an existing core mechanic in other parts of the game and could be incorporated into these dungeons and trials.
What I'm speaking of is like for example the Dolmens in Summerset. The harder you come at them and the more powerful you or your group including randoms around you hit it. The more the Dolmens throw at you meaning they get harder and the final boss has more health and becomes more difficult to kill. If you are by yourself and stand there and light attack the ads that come at you taking your time and barely doing any damage the final boss is like a wet noodle. NOW I'm not suggesting if you do like light damage in a trial than the boss would be like a wet noodle there should be a bottom level where all bosses start at in their power and the harder you hit the dungeon the more powerful and harder it is for that boss to be killed including the ads in between bosses and the ads thrown at you during the boss fight. Essentially veteran mode could be removed (meaning) that the harder you hit the dungeon it becomes veteran because of your damage dealt.
And things like Trifecta and no death runs achievements would only be given if you hit the dungeon from the very beginning with everything you got all the way to the end and you reach a certain score of damage and time it has taken you together for the game to consider you doing it in hard mode vet.
This way people at the bottom of the power level would still be able to enjoy trials and DLC dungeons and learn the mechanics and get better so they could progress. Which would also mean people at the very top tier, the 1% of gamers could and would still be challenged by a dungeon that's smart enough to know you are coming in there whooping some butt and it's going to throw everything it's got at you just like as if it was that hard mode. And mid-tier gamers would have a dungeon or trial thrown at them slightly less harder than the 1%, but definitely harder than the lower percent of the power band.
Say things like DLC dungeons. Low end players could enter that dungeon and practice and see how far they can get. And say maybe the game would give a scorecard letting them know how far their group was from receiving a vet accomplishment which would include a monster helmet. Not an individual scorecard but a group scorecard knowing the basic damage and time outputs of that group with maybe a few suggestions on what they can do to improve performance. Or if you give a individual scorecard let it be private only to that player so the group would not be able to see it but the player would know what they need to do to improve.
So to sum this up.
Smart dungeons & trials that adjust to your power band and give rewards accordingly to your progression through that dungeon or trial. Meaning no achievements unless you come at it full force but still passable by mid and lower tiered players
Leave existing basic combat mechanics that the community has grown to love and gotten used to except for small minor changes adjustments and tweaks.
Implement a group or individual suggestion card for improvement and help after completing said dungeons or trials.
I wholeheartedly believe this would satisfy the upper 1% the upper 2% and the lower end and everything in between. Making the game fun and accessible and challenging for all ESO players
Been running stage 4 vamp bow plar for years, so good!!
That's they only viable templar spec now bowplar.
Bow is the most gay ever. You just cant argue
Is that an UI addon? Which one?
Can you swap vigor with another skill at this point? The nerf is REALLY bad.
I'm wondering if Magplar could utilize this ranged bow approach to similar success next patch?
Nope, if yoy go full mag, you only can use 4 or so snipes before go out of stamina
@@ZDavidH Ah gotcha, so I go stamina but can still stack spell damage as the higher of my offensive stat?
@@MrJPD123 yes, you can have more sd than wd and your stamina attacks scale from the higher but if yoy have more weapon damage and pretend to be magplar, you should have the majority of your points in magicka to be able to spam your magic abilities
Edit: all your offensive damage scales from the higher of spell/weapon damage, there are abilities that scales from both (normally in ability description you can read the source of scaling) but usually the bast majority of skills scales only in the higher resource of damage
@@ZDavidH I get that but he has rally for major brutality, isn’t that pointless then? Where’s he getting major savagery from? (The spell damage one)
I can hear the copuim in your voice :(
🤣
Yeah they ruined my main toon now, the nerf to sweep is ridiculous
Whats the rotation?
I don't want to play bowplar fuck that
Hmmm…. Does it proc off of werewolf skills now?
Lol imagine only having jabs as your to go to
What other moves would you recommend? Pretty gutted about this update and have no shame in asking haha :(
Nerfing burning light? Ok
But Jabs!? It‘s like THE signature move of a Templer
I mean it doesn‘t affect me personally because i am playing a PvP MagPlar Healer.. but still
Feels really wrong
jabs has been utterly broken in pvp for years
The issue with jabs/sweeps is it's kind of an overloaded ability. It's like the dual wield spammable on steroids. It's cheep, it does great single target damage, cleaves, snares, heals(for mag), and doesn't require you to have a target to use. You could completely remove any of those things aside from the single target damage and it would still be the most overloaded spammable in the game. As someone who plays a templar alot, while I understand that jabs is visually iconic, I would argue that flurry or really any other purely single target spammable should do more damage because of how many other things jabs does. As is on live it is a one size fits all solution to every problem and makes other abilities feel non viable simply by existing in competition to them. If you don't like jabs you can kind of get away from it in pve where you don't need a swiss army spammable, but in pvp? Jabs or bust.
I hate EVERYTHING about the Jab change
Did you get unbanned?
i like it. looks funny but i am more a bg and ic player can u do it viable in bgs . u are my master u know the way please
Watch. by the time u36 comes out. They’ll revert most of this BS. Zos needs to stop overcompensating. Instead of 20-30% changes try 10-15% for once ffs.
bout time they nerfed jabs
Good. Templars have needed a nerf for years.
Did they just gut every class?
Nightblades got buffed lol
@@albundy7991 they also got their primary ganker set destroyed. I think the buffs will get toned down slightly before release though.
NB 1k (1000) dmg on demand (24/7 uptime) LESS GOOO
@@runkorko what skill does that?
yes, it is dead, we all gonna be tanks..
The games bout as dead as Necro is
Ruined the Magpar for me :(
Templar spears are dead.
I think everyone can agree Templar was OP and needed a nerf but this isn’t just a nerf this is now a bottom tier class. ZOS is just idk I don’t like calling devs stupid because they clearly have the experience and do things I never could but they do make stupid decisions.
Yes nerf everything to the ground why not?
No. Rerolling is the way. Uninstalling is the way.
This is what we mean when we say that good players adapt. No matter the changes, good players will always be good.
They fucked up 2 other major builds for templar, and forced us to go into the next best thing. Nothing was buffed to enable this or make it comparable to the old good builds. It's just the next best thing now. How tf is that adapting lmfao
@@HamoodyDarbaDoody that's literally what adapting means, you nincompoop.
When NB tickless your bacon with 8k dmg out of stealth(and after each cloak) you wont have time to adapt. Wait and see.
@@runkorko if a NB is rotating cloak in order to get a guaranteed crit, that's a shitty NB. Any competent player can outheal that.
@@allanpalacios8399 : Concealed Weapon (morph):
This morph now passively grants Minor Expedition while slotted, instead of increasing your movement speed by 25% while in sneak or invisible.
This morph now also increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by up to 300 for 15 seconds after leaving sneak or invisibility while in combat.
Stygian -(5 items) When you leave Sneak or invisibility while in combat, your Weapon and Spell Damage is increased by 369 for 15 seconds.
Strike form the Shadows - When you leave Sneak, invisibility, or Mist Form your Weapon and Spell Damage is increased by 300 for 6 seconds.
1000 weapon dmg on demand, and all this at the cost of pressing 1 key.
90% of the NB use clever alchemist= 600 dmg after using potion in combat, so basicaly you have 1600 dmg on top of what dmg you already have at the price of one potion use/invis/ in combat. Combine this with reduce potion cd glyphs and you have 1200 dmg 24/7. Expensive but doable. And you can go with the brawler cloak morph. So yea, tell me more ...
Come to pc I got an account now.
He won't come pc cuz of pinkstar he needs to get her to get a PC console a joke anymore
Templars and DK’s broken forever, good
No jobs ehh?
No maidens?
Can someone leak the link of the patch like Godzilla pls ?
You can literally get it off the game launcher
@@Zeorymer300 ok lmao sorry
Well I’ll still play eso and enjoy playing magplar. Folks just need to get cheese to go with all that whine
Sounds like a person who goes to cyrodiil but never kills shit.
Zos really hates class balance, could’ve just buffed warden and nb but decided to hammer down on stamplar and sorc.
Really frustrated with the dead classes in this game
Warden got nerfed harder than templar. These changes are temporary so far. We need to see what PTS3 has in store in terms of adjustments.
both stamplar and sorc have needed nerfs for years
Good jabs needed to be nerfed
No gonna stop ppl from using it
@@girlgaming7346 it will.
@@runkorko negative ppl adapt
100% agreed, so sick of 25-0 jab spammers in pvp every single match