As someone who didn't watch S1, it caught me off guard when you didn't roast Shanghai for the 2023 season til I remembered the 0-40 season. Just sad how they went from the 2020-23 core to a budget team that ruined Viper one chance at ROTY feelsbad.
I thought players like Heesu, Iris wouldn’t make Shanghai as bad especially with how Viper was carrying, but man it seemed those guys were checked out felt like Viper was 1v5 whole year.
@@baseebirdtbf, first half had Fletank which did NOT go well for him or his team and GNJ still on Lucio without the Violet/Lastro improvement. Supposedly coach Moon wasn't the best with strategy and left that to assistant coaches in the past, so there's that as well. Makes sense for them all to be deflated
I think a cool video idea would be to do a comparison of the two OW2 champions to see how they would match up with each other in a head to head matchup. Also can do the same for the OW1 champions as well
Really hard question to answer tbh. I’d say that meta plays a massive part. The combination of fearless and hanbin trumps someone with higher peaks and the same amount of coverage when combined, but if the meta requires a lot of counter swapping, someone’s strengths really get amplified. Of course the backline is the same, and the DPS pretty easily goes to mayhem. More star power, checkmate showed flexibility as well as the ability to carry, and mer1t makes a serious argument for best hitscan of OW2 while simultaneously being trusted to play the sym or bastion role that other hitscans struggle with.
Do not forget that danteh wasn't the one who chose to step away they effectively dropped him saying they were looking for a new tank. I remember on platchat he said hopefully it's an upgrade... And they didn't win a game ever since🤣
I would still go with Reign 2023 over Reign 2021 it’s easily there best roster ever with 4 s tier players, and they had the most dominant half of a season we have ever seen in league history yes they choked in the playoffs which is why you could argue there one of the biggest disappointments ever, but there dominance in mid season is hard to look over. For Dynasty i absolutely agree about 2020 over 2022 there was just something magical about that dynasty team when there backs were against the wall they played great who expected them to go up 3-0 on Shanghai in the may melee, who expected them as a 12 seed to make the grand finals beating Gz, NY, Fusion, Shanghai and pushing peak Shock to the brink when Seoul signed Profit and Gesture the expectation was for Seoul to finally have a deep run for once and I’m glad they did one of the best underdog stories in league history.
This was a great video though!! It shows no matter who your favorite team is, they had high highs and low lows as well. NO ONE was immune to failing and succeeding both
the atlanta take is way too hot, they had their flop at the end sure but by this logic 2020 dynasty was their best year, 2023 atl was the most consistently good (except the end of course) and had higher peaks and id argue 2018 shock was worse but from fans perspective yes 2023 fs
I would love to see the greatest what if from each team for all of OWL. Stuff like what if lullsish and Ellivote got to play for 2020 Washington, what if shock got Vega in 2023, what if the 2020 titans got to play, what if fusion didn’t have visa hell in 2021 and much more with speculation in their performance and placement. Would fit the wrap up of owl videos
I think Fusion would of been around the same wouldn’t of been as good as the top 2 may of finished ahead of Seoul tho there dps were really weak, Maybe Shockwave gives them more of a punch, but Carpe, Eqo, Rascal had done down ends to there career, Mano, Poko were both mediocre players at that point, the backline is elite, but can’t carry the team.
It seems fitting the two worst teams in the league in 2018 were the most flexible and stomped the league but Shanghai’s roster is probably the best starting roster that we’ll probably never see again with the most dominant playoff to grand finals run only dropping 2 maps
What made Houston in season 3 even sadder is because they kept showing signs of life against good teams to the point where you would not be seen as crazy to predict them against higher tier teams but it was always the map 5 or whenever Rawkus would get switched it sucked.
how is shock's worst year 2023? + having atlanta's best year being 2021 cause they went to gf which makes them have a better run but then picking philly 2020 despite that year not being philly's best year run wise. You choose philly 2020 for their best year despite not having the best run of their franchise because they were dominate team that year... but atlanta 2023 wasnt a dominate team that literally also had rookie of the year + an actual title? Like I dont disagree with philly 2020 choice but if you are gonna bring up "runs" why ignore philly's 2020 not being their best year run wise. 2018 shock being a bottom 3/4 team vs 2023 shock being a middle of the ground team really matter when it comes to "expectations"? Like it just does not make sense to me but you do you ig.
hi atp, another amazing video. just a heads up, the phrase "objective opinion" is a bit oxymoronic because objective describes a statement that is not influenced by personal feelings, aka opinions. love u 2 death
Man, imagine what toronto could have been if for even 1 year (aside from the "Marketable" year) they didn't destroy their team. Like even if they had just been able to keep 1 or 2 players from their 2022 season into their 2023 season. Ofc they wouldn't have gotten american tornado in 2023, but with all the players moving from apac over the offseason. Maybe toronto could have done something noteworthy. 🙃
A quick correction: there are 4 teams that have won multiple stages in a season. Small error on my part.
Nyxl, Shock, Shanghai, Gladiators, Dallas. 5 teams.
@@arthurmuller3743Dallas didn’t
I love how last vids about the OWL is always with the "now that OWL is dead" is just funny for me
Sadge
The glads collapse still hurts like hell
As someone who didn't watch S1, it caught me off guard when you didn't roast Shanghai for the 2023 season til I remembered the 0-40 season. Just sad how they went from the 2020-23 core to a budget team that ruined Viper one chance at ROTY feelsbad.
I thought players like Heesu, Iris wouldn’t make Shanghai as bad especially with how Viper was carrying, but man it seemed those guys were checked out felt like Viper was 1v5 whole year.
@@baseebirdtbf, first half had Fletank which did NOT go well for him or his team and GNJ still on Lucio without the Violet/Lastro improvement. Supposedly coach Moon wasn't the best with strategy and left that to assistant coaches in the past, so there's that as well. Makes sense for them all to be deflated
I think a cool video idea would be to do a comparison of the two OW2 champions to see how they would match up with each other in a head to head matchup. Also can do the same for the OW1 champions as well
The Korean Flashops : Hamster vs Isohan is the best you are gonna get
It was basically 22 Dallas vs 23 Florida
Really hard question to answer tbh. I’d say that meta plays a massive part. The combination of fearless and hanbin trumps someone with higher peaks and the same amount of coverage when combined, but if the meta requires a lot of counter swapping, someone’s strengths really get amplified. Of course the backline is the same, and the DPS pretty easily goes to mayhem. More star power, checkmate showed flexibility as well as the ability to carry, and mer1t makes a serious argument for best hitscan of OW2 while simultaneously being trusted to play the sym or bastion role that other hitscans struggle with.
Do not forget that danteh wasn't the one who chose to step away they effectively dropped him saying they were looking for a new tank. I remember on platchat he said hopefully it's an upgrade... And they didn't win a game ever since🤣
I would still go with Reign 2023 over Reign 2021 it’s easily there best roster ever with 4 s tier players, and they had the most dominant half of a season we have ever seen in league history yes they choked in the playoffs which is why you could argue there one of the biggest disappointments ever, but there dominance in mid season is hard to look over. For Dynasty i absolutely agree about 2020 over 2022 there was just something magical about that dynasty team when there backs were against the wall they played great who expected them to go up 3-0 on Shanghai in the may melee, who expected them as a 12 seed to make the grand finals beating Gz, NY, Fusion, Shanghai and pushing peak Shock to the brink when Seoul signed Profit and Gesture the expectation was for Seoul to finally have a deep run for once and I’m glad they did one of the best underdog stories in league history.
To this day, I go back to watch (summer showdown 2020) Paris vs. Shock and Paris vs. Fusion. Now, those were some fun matches.
This is probably one of the best topics you have covered. Thank you atp!
This was a great video though!! It shows no matter who your favorite team is, they had high highs and low lows as well. NO ONE was immune to failing and succeeding both
Chegndu's best season was obviously 2023. They went undefeated
please do a video about the best matches of all time, maybe for each season
Love the video, as always! Would love to see a video of the biggest OWL "busts" and "diamonds in the rough"
Bro when you said Boink on the bench, I laughed my ass off😂😂 I completely forgot about him lmao
the atlanta take is way too hot, they had their flop at the end sure but by this logic 2020 dynasty was their best year, 2023 atl was the most consistently good (except the end of course) and had higher peaks
and id argue 2018 shock was worse but from fans perspective yes 2023 fs
I would love to see the greatest what if from each team for all of OWL. Stuff like what if lullsish and Ellivote got to play for 2020 Washington, what if shock got Vega in 2023, what if the 2020 titans got to play, what if fusion didn’t have visa hell in 2021 and much more with speculation in their performance and placement. Would fit the wrap up of owl videos
I think Fusion would of been around the same wouldn’t of been as good as the top 2 may of finished ahead of Seoul tho there dps were really weak, Maybe Shockwave gives them more of a punch, but Carpe, Eqo, Rascal had done down ends to there career, Mano, Poko were both mediocre players at that point, the backline is elite, but can’t carry the team.
It seems fitting the two worst teams in the league in 2018 were the most flexible and stomped the league but Shanghai’s roster is probably the best starting roster that we’ll probably never see again with the most dominant playoff to grand finals run only dropping 2 maps
What made Houston in season 3 even sadder is because they kept showing signs of life against good teams to the point where you would not be seen as crazy to predict them against higher tier teams but it was always the map 5 or whenever Rawkus would get switched it sucked.
They lost 6 map 5’s that year was insane
Not to forget (imo) at 13:22: Anaheim Guxue
I feel like we really be milking this kind of content holy, I think I’ve seen u do this 3 other times with the same concept
2023 Vegas Eternal is bad but I'll never forget the Day they lost to Lifeweaver, I was dying laughing seeing that Florida Mayhem won with Lifeweaver
how is shock's worst year 2023? + having atlanta's best year being 2021 cause they went to gf which makes them have a better run but then picking philly 2020 despite that year not being philly's best year run wise. You choose philly 2020 for their best year despite not having the best run of their franchise because they were dominate team that year... but atlanta 2023 wasnt a dominate team that literally also had rookie of the year + an actual title? Like I dont disagree with philly 2020 choice but if you are gonna bring up "runs" why ignore philly's 2020 not being their best year run wise. 2018 shock being a bottom 3/4 team vs 2023 shock being a middle of the ground team really matter when it comes to "expectations"? Like it just does not make sense to me but you do you ig.
As bad as 2023 eternal was 2022 is probably my vote for worst something about them just hurt to watch
Can you do the best match from each season?
proper is the victor wembanyama of OWL. Both historucal talents drafted by bad teams and they waste their primes
hi atp, another amazing video. just a heads up, the phrase "objective opinion" is a bit oxymoronic because objective describes a statement that is not influenced by personal feelings, aka opinions. love u 2 death
Man, imagine what toronto could have been if for even 1 year (aside from the "Marketable" year) they didn't destroy their team.
Like even if they had just been able to keep 1 or 2 players from their 2022 season into their 2023 season.
Ofc they wouldn't have gotten american tornado in 2023, but with all the players moving from apac over the offseason. Maybe toronto could have done something noteworthy. 🙃
ITS THE OWL OVER FOREVER?
11:40 and happy
Oh in 2021 Charge also lost Happy lol. Idk I guess they just couldn't afford him. One reason they struggled on hitscan.
That charge team at there peak was genuinely elite even Rio was very underrated at the time
9:03 yeah wow someone won the MVP such useful information. If only we could know WHO won it?
I will not accept this blatant Chipsa erasure from the epic 2020 Philly team 😤