I'm leaning towards the btr ls3 s2 in my 418 unless I can decide the valve events for the v2 are better. Looking for something for autox & hpde... great torque at low 3000rpm to great hp that carries well above 6200, endurance grind and daily driver.
The Stage 2 V2 (which is also called the Red Hot cam) has almost the exact same power curve/torque as this V1 but makes 20 hp more up top with back to back testing.
Love the detail breakdown of this cam..I jus picked up my 443 lsx from the machine shop and looking for a good head and cam combo for it..would like a custom cam wit the type drivability, linesr torque curve and peak as this cam does for the ls3 ..can you make that happen for me brother 🔥
Great video, and lots of information! During the cam swap, were there any other parts required to make the swap? Lifters, springs, pushrods, rockers, etc?
For a cam this size springs and pushrods are a must. Lifters are a choice if it is a manual car but this was an automatic so all 16 lifters were replaced to get rid of the DOD. All of the common parts
I'm not sure what the specs are on the BTR 2 but we did a TSP stage 2 or 3? on an LS3 stick car with 2 in long tubes and a 3-in true duals, couple other small bolt ons and it made 490tire. Same deal it was very drivable and had a great linear curve. My guess is it's probably nearly the same cam because the kit came with BTR push rods, springs and trunions. Good stuff Kenny.
B&D 490 RWHP wow! Does TSPstage2cam add more power to an LS3 than BTR stage2cam? LS3 stick getting 490 tire with headers/3inch exhaust/TSP Stage 2 cam...EXCEPTIONAL! Is this repeatable in your experience? Are the TSP LS3 Stage 2 cams more powerful than the BTR Stage 2 cams on an LS3??
@@peterganucheau6372 The TSP Stage 2 is a bigger cam than the BTR Stage 2 V2 so yeah, it's probably gonna make a bit more peak hp at the expense of mid range torque and "driveability".
How does the tick torque max 2 compare to this cam? I installed the tick in a stock l96 (6.0/ls3 head)1 3/4 speed engineering long tubes in a 82 c10 with the 6l90, neal chance 3400 stall and 9 inch 3.70 gear. What kind of power would you guess at the wheels? By the way I like your cam and exhaust sound clips!
Hey, randomly came across this channel and now I’m subscribed. A few questions. What are the specs on the cam in the video? Or if you have a link to this cam package I’d appreciate it. And does it require 3:91 gears or can the stock 3:45s be used with good results? Thank you.
It is right on btr’s website. Their ls3 stage 2. 3.45’s are fine. Guys use them with oem converters. I’m a fan of doing a 3,200-3,600. They really rip!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars ok thanks. I’ll take a look. The last thing I want is a cam that you have to rev to the moon and and has no low end torque to help move these “heavy” cars. This cam sounds like it’s prefect for the 5th Gen Camaro. Thanks again.
Assuming my 4.070" 12.5:1 pistons ever come in, would you think a BTR LS3 Stage 4 cam in a 3,000lb stick shift car would be less of a bad option compared to the Stage 2 than it is in a factory weight Camaro?
Nice cam… I have 81 Trans Am with a LS3 416 stroker … with the BTR stage 2 NA cam… tons of torque and hp… just wondering, would you use the BTR stage 2 NA cam in a daily driver 416. Or would you consider something else ? Great videos!
If you are happy with it. That is all that matters. But the stroke does add things to the equation that the ls3 cam dosent have. The ivo/ivc evo/evc is slight different because if the 4” stroke.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars hi thanks for responding… I like the way she goes with the BTR Stage 2 cam …. But am I leaving a lot of HP and Torque on the table? I have a 3000rpm stall hooked up to a 4L70E with 308 gears. If there’s a stroker cam that’s giving me more power with the same drivability… I’m interested if it’s increased performance is more than 10-20 hp and torque at peek. I’m always looking for power gains under the curve without trading. Any advice is appreciated.
The BTR 2 is what I ran in my ls3 c6 m6. It’s mainly a mountain/track day car, but still absolutely hauls and drives great. Maintains great torque for the switch backs of the mountains around me, and absolutely destroyed a friends 500rwhp supercharged 3v mustang. Not overly hard on the valve train and sounds as good as any other cam. I don’t understand going to something as aggressive as the BTR stage 4 or other similar cams, an extra 10-15rwhp and sacrifice a lot of driveability, and must harder on the valve train.
I have a 87 Iroc-z, GM LS3 crate engine, Tremec Magun F 6speed close ratio, QP 9” w/4.11’s, black heart 2.5” duals and been doing research. It seems to me the stage 2 would be the best choice all around. I like the idle of the btr 3 but seems like it’d loose some low end torque. This is to be a weekend driver. I also live in CT which has lots of backroads and hills. Thanks for the input. I also been looking into the SpinMonster specs (230/234 114 LSA +1) which is close in specs, but I’d have to have it ground. Thoughts on the BTR stage 3? Randy
@@Gen01Lee the 3 is a soggier version of the 2. The exhaust and tuning will dictate the sound more than just a few degrees of duration added. You could make a “stage 1 truck cam” sound similar to a “stage 3 car cam” with the same exhaust and a little tuning. I absolutely hate the whole stage thing. But it makes it easier to reference a camshaft.
@@Gen01Lee the cam sound mostly comes from the tune and idle revs. My friend has a c6 gs with a BTR 3 and I have a c6 ls3 BTR 2. They sound about identical.
@@backyardboosters9128 My understanding is the stage 2 would idle similar just at a very slighter lower rpm idle correct? And is that what you mean by the tune? I’m sure there’s lots of other variables as well.
Stock 2010 SS LS3 manual here. Looking for a cam. Stock as far as i know. Would you recommend BTR stage 1 or stage 2? Want a slight choppy sound not too much. Will also be a daily driver.
I don't know the full specs of the car in this video but last year I got the custom grind BTR cam with I think is like a stage 2.5, with longtube headers, and intake and I only got 458whp on 91 octane. Not sure why it's lower than the car in this vid. Tuning was done at a speedshop so I would think they know what they're doing.
The Stage 2 V2 (which is also called the Red Hot cam) has almost the exact same power curve/torque as this V1 but makes 20 hp more up top with back to back testing.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Cool man that's perfect data for me I guess, love red truck by the way those spintech made it big time sounds killer bro I'm planning going that route after the cam!!
Love the video after watching it I purchased the camshaft kit I got a 2010 Camaro SS LS3 6 Speed my question is the car has 104k on it I was wondering do I need to change my timing chain and oil pump don't really want to do it looks like kind of a bitch also I bought the lifter don't know if it's necessary I hope you respond thank you
I’m not a fan of throwing parts at vehicles and many will disagree. If it has good oil pressure and it was my car I’d absolutely run it with no problem. But if it was a customer car I would do as directed by them.
KD, BTR makes a VVT version of the (version1) Stage2LS3 cam in this video. I have a 2013SS Auto L99 with VVT. It's a daily driver so I'd like power and TQ lower on RPMs too. I'm confused by the VVT debate what do you think? BTR CAMSHAFT - L99 - VVT STAGE 2 - 1892538136 Specs: 225/238 .612"/.585" 113+6 "This cam has nearly identical specs to our very popular (version1 per BTR) LS3 Stage 2 cam. However, this cam has 3 degrees more advance for increased low end torque. Since the timing on this cam can be retarded via the VVT mechanism, it will make the same or better peak power than our non-VVT Stage 2 cam to give you the best of both worlds. Uses GM actuator 12606358 used in some 2008 and all 2009 and newer engines." -- This claim is vs. their version1 cam that you have in this video (I called BTR) You have an enormous knowledge base so I wondered if you thought the L99-VVT version of the (version 1) BTR Stage2 LS3 was better for a DD? Would that conclusion change if looking at VVT vs. the (version2) Stage2 LS3 that you said is better than the version1? Basically Should I keep VVT in my L99 based on your experience? Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge with us!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars oh I see I was thinking that’s the ls3 also had the valve reliefs, I was thinking the valve reliefs were better but I guess not bc of the compression. So I won’t truly have an ls3. I’m really struggling on my camshaft decision. I was almost wondering what the truck Norris cam would be like in the Camaro but it must not be a great idea since I can’t find anyone who has tried it. Not looking for much high end power I’m Leaning toward the BTR stage one cam but I’m curious in the difference in mid range power between stage 1 and stage 2
@@kyplummer3657 that new stage 1 v2 would be awesome. I would use that for sure. Much earlier powerband. And Carrie’s just as high. Truck Norris with square port engines are terrible.
LS engines like higher stall converters l have a 2011 Camaro SS with a more mild LS3 495 horsepower crate engine with a LS3 hot camshaft like l said it's much more mild than this camshaft on this car but it has a Circle D 4200rpm stall converter throttle response is wicked at any speed with this camshaft l think you'd need at least a 3200rpm stall a 3800 would be better and a 4200 would be even better if your running the stock 3.27 gears with a 6L80e transmission the converter will lockup when your street driving or cruising in 5 gear at about 40-45 miles a hour at part throttle and will be slightly spongy below 40-45mph and will need to turn 2700- 3000rpm below 45mph to move with traffic but it's not terrible the car will have unbelievable throttle response at any speed this cam without a stall converter will be sluggish until 3000rpm and l don't think you'll be happy with it pretty sure this cam without a stall converter will make your car slower than stock 0-40mph with little throttle response until over 40mph
Just wondering cause mine sounds much more tame. I have hp tuners and tuned my own. Seems to struggle to maintain a stable idle. I noticed when you add chop it actually seems to idle more consistent
@@tenoriopaintcollisiontenor4363 I would recommend a truck Norris camshaft for a 4.8 The ls2 would greatly vary on the rest of the mods/stall converter/intended use etc
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Nice, thanks for the reply. How many other camshafts have you tested? Really leaning toward the BTR stg 2 after this vid. Was going to go the way of a stage 1 cam for the drivability but this vid calmed my drivability fears of a stage 2. The BTR stage 2 V1 is only $300 now days.
Your also forgetting that the L99 has 10.3 compression vs the 10.7 for the LS3 and I'm not arguing that the stick car doesn't makes more power than a automatic equipped car but l think and l could be wrong a .4 increase in compression should give you 10-15 more horsepower on the same setup only difference is compression 10.3 vs 10.7
Kenny D! They upated your ""Favorite cam ever"!! (??) 1. Do you recommend the normal BTR stage 2 LS3 that you love? Or the new BTR LS3 Stage 2, of the cam you love? (see below) 2. I'll read old posts to see if the stock Torque Converter is OK with the BTR Stage2 cam (normal or V2 update), or if it's best to just mildly upgrade for this cam ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sold on the BTR Stage 2 LS3 Cam, thank you very much for your recommendation, I'm new to this and you have so much experience. Thanks for help up the learning curve and the conclusion. They have a Version 2 of the Stage 2 LS3 Cam that you love!!!! briantooleyracing.com/btr-ls3-stage-2-camshaft.html BTR LS3 STAGE 2 CAMSHAFT 221/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA Version2 538/491 Stage 2 (not Version 2 update) 529/488 "This V2 version of our Stage 2 camshaft makes more power and torque everywhere in the curve compared to our legendary LS3 cams. Developed in house, we went back to the drawing board to find even more power and torque. These new BTR lobe designs were Spintron and Engine Dyno tested to achieve the highest overall power curve while also maintaining strict valvetrain stability and durability standards."
Doh, I dont know how to PM sheesh! Anyway - The original BTR STAGE 2 was your go-to favorite. The updated BTR V2 Stage 2 version you say is improved, but is it enough to make it your go-to? Or are you sticking with the BTR LSS N/A Stage 2 (225/238 .62/.605, 113+3 from this video?@@NorthernPerformanceCars
@@peterganucheau6372 I have been switching to All of the V2 stuff. Their stage 1 is incredible in comparison to their old one. The v2 is very similar but makes more top end power. So it’s a win win.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars OK so Version 2 stage 2. Thank you. I have a question on VVT -- My 2013SS is an L99 auto -- BTR claims their "VVT" option of the prior (Version1) Stage 2 has the gains up top and more low end torque -- OK, but what do you think of the [VVT Stage 2] vs. the ["Version2, Stage2"]? BTR CAMSHAFT - L99 - VVT STAGE 2 - 1892538136 Specs: 225/238 .612"/.585" 113+6 "This cam has nearly identical specs to our very popular LS3 Stage 2 cam. However, this cam has 3 degrees more advance for increased low end torque. Since the timing on this cam can be retarded via the VVT mechanism, it will make the same or better peak power than our non-VVT Stage 2 cam to give you the best of both worlds. Uses GM actuator 12606358 used in some 2008 and all 2009 and newer engines. " BTR SKU 1892538136 Brand Brian Tooley Racing Part Type Camshaft Engine Type Gen III/Gen IV LS Engine Combination NATURALLY ASPIRATED Camshaft Style HYDRAULIC ROLLER Cam Bolt Style SINGLE BOLT **You have an enormous knowledge base so I wondered if you thought this VVT version of the BTR Stage2 was advisable... Thank you!
@Northern Performance Cars, have you used the BTR stage 2 VVT cam? Would you recommend it or would you just do LS3 conversion and why?
Great videos my friend!
I'm leaning towards the btr ls3 s2 in my 418 unless I can decide the valve events for the v2 are better. Looking for something for autox & hpde... great torque at low 3000rpm to great hp that carries well above 6200, endurance grind and daily driver.
The Stage 2 V2 (which is also called the Red Hot cam) has almost the exact same power curve/torque as this V1 but makes 20 hp more up top with back to back testing.
Love the detail breakdown of this cam..I jus picked up my 443 lsx from the machine shop and looking for a good head and cam combo for it..would like a custom cam wit the type drivability, linesr torque curve and peak as this cam does for the ls3 ..can you make that happen for me brother 🔥
Absolutely. Shoot me an email at northernperformancecars@hotmail.com and I’ll get all of the engine information
Nice numbers!
I keep seeing videos and hearing how good this cam is but can anyone tell me what type of 1/4 mile times you guys are running with this btr cam?
Great video, and lots of information! During the cam swap, were there any other parts required to make the swap? Lifters, springs, pushrods, rockers, etc?
For a cam this size springs and pushrods are a must.
Lifters are a choice if it is a manual car but this was an automatic so all 16 lifters were replaced to get rid of the DOD.
All of the common parts
You recommend this cam for a l96? (9.6 compression)
I'm not sure what the specs are on the BTR 2 but we did a TSP stage 2 or 3? on an LS3 stick car with 2 in long tubes and a 3-in true duals, couple other small bolt ons and it made 490tire. Same deal it was very drivable and had a great linear curve.
My guess is it's probably nearly the same cam because the kit came with BTR push rods, springs and trunions.
Good stuff Kenny.
B&D 490 RWHP wow! Does TSPstage2cam add more power to an LS3 than BTR stage2cam? LS3 stick getting 490 tire with headers/3inch exhaust/TSP Stage 2 cam...EXCEPTIONAL! Is this repeatable in your experience? Are the TSP LS3 Stage 2 cams more powerful than the BTR Stage 2 cams on an LS3??
@@peterganucheau6372 The TSP Stage 2 is a bigger cam than the BTR Stage 2 V2 so yeah, it's probably gonna make a bit more peak hp at the expense of mid range torque and "driveability".
Ppl
Same here, 495/453 TSP STAGE2, stock heads, headers, amazing power all the way through the curve.
Im.trying to figure out what we are going to do next. Already getting the pot built up for the next mods
I have the same cam 😎 debating going ss3 tho 🙃
Sweet!! ☝🏽🥸
How does the tick torque max 2 compare to this cam? I installed the tick in a stock l96 (6.0/ls3 head)1 3/4 speed engineering long tubes in a 82 c10 with the 6l90, neal chance 3400 stall and 9 inch 3.70 gear. What kind of power would you guess at the wheels? By the way I like your cam and exhaust sound clips!
I haven’t had on on this Dyno yet. I’d say it isn’t too far off. I like the torque max cams. I use them in quite a bit if cathedral stuff
Great video and I agree with your thoughts on a milder cam! What are your thoughts on the stage 1 cam
It is a great and punchy cam with a stock converter. For the guys that want great sound and better driving mannerisms that is a great cam.
Hey, randomly came across this channel and now I’m subscribed. A few questions. What are the specs on the cam in the video? Or if you have a link to this cam package I’d appreciate it. And does it require 3:91 gears or can the stock 3:45s be used with good results? Thank you.
It is right on btr’s website. Their ls3 stage 2.
3.45’s are fine. Guys use them with oem converters. I’m a fan of doing a 3,200-3,600. They really rip!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars ok thanks. I’ll take a look. The last thing I want is a cam that you have to rev to the moon and and has no low end torque to help move these “heavy” cars. This cam sounds like it’s prefect for the 5th Gen Camaro. Thanks again.
Assuming my 4.070" 12.5:1 pistons ever come in, would you think a BTR LS3 Stage 4 cam in a 3,000lb stick shift car would be less of a bad option compared to the Stage 2 than it is in a factory weight Camaro?
Yea that would be fun. You have way less weight. More compression.
Nice cam… I have 81 Trans Am with a LS3 416 stroker … with the BTR stage 2 NA cam… tons of torque and hp… just wondering, would you use the BTR stage 2 NA cam in a daily driver 416. Or would you consider something else ?
Great videos!
If you are happy with it. That is all that matters.
But the stroke does add things to the equation that the ls3 cam dosent have.
The ivo/ivc evo/evc is slight different because if the 4” stroke.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars hi thanks for responding… I like the way she goes with the BTR Stage 2 cam …. But am I leaving a lot of HP and Torque on the table? I have a 3000rpm stall hooked up to a 4L70E with 308 gears. If there’s a stroker cam that’s giving me more power with the same drivability… I’m interested if it’s increased performance is more than 10-20 hp and torque at peek.
I’m always looking for power gains under the curve without trading. Any advice is appreciated.
Do you lose anything on the low end?
The BTR 2 is what I ran in my ls3 c6 m6. It’s mainly a mountain/track day car, but still absolutely hauls and drives great. Maintains great torque for the switch backs of the mountains around me, and absolutely destroyed a friends 500rwhp supercharged 3v mustang. Not overly hard on the valve train and sounds as good as any other cam. I don’t understand going to something as aggressive as the BTR stage 4 or other similar cams, an extra 10-15rwhp and sacrifice a lot of driveability, and must harder on the valve train.
Absolutely! I do a ton of these. Overlay the graphs and just go jeeze. It’s not worth it.
I have a 87 Iroc-z, GM LS3 crate engine, Tremec Magun F 6speed close ratio, QP 9” w/4.11’s, black heart 2.5” duals and been doing research. It seems to me the stage 2 would be the best choice all around. I like the idle of the btr 3 but seems like it’d loose some low end torque. This is to be a weekend driver. I also live in CT which has lots of backroads and hills. Thanks for the input. I also been looking into the SpinMonster specs (230/234 114 LSA +1) which is close in specs, but I’d have to have it ground. Thoughts on the BTR stage 3?
Randy
@@Gen01Lee the 3 is a soggier version of the 2.
The exhaust and tuning will dictate the sound more than just a few degrees of duration added.
You could make a “stage 1 truck cam” sound similar to a “stage 3 car cam” with the same exhaust and a little tuning.
I absolutely hate the whole stage thing. But it makes it easier to reference a camshaft.
@@Gen01Lee the cam sound mostly comes from the tune and idle revs. My friend has a c6 gs with a BTR 3 and I have a c6 ls3 BTR 2. They sound about identical.
@@backyardboosters9128 My understanding is the stage 2 would idle similar just at a very slighter lower rpm idle correct? And is that what you mean by the tune? I’m sure there’s lots of other variables as well.
This is the same camaro y’all just did the torqstorm on? The one you mentioned in the comments to me the other day. Insane!
Yessir. Sure was.
Sounds awesome can you tell me what the idle is set at? Thinking of this exact same set up for my 15 SS. I’m fbo besides cam right now
It’s been some months so I can remember exactly. But I’m assuming around 850rpm
Anyone know if this cam can pair with a 04 LQ9 with cathedral heads?
415 is insane for basically just fbo and tune
Great video. Hows the drivability? I’m planning to get v2 for my auto c6
They are absolutely Awesome camshafts. The version 2 is amazing.
Stock 2010 SS LS3 manual here. Looking for a cam. Stock as far as i know. Would you recommend BTR stage 1 or stage 2? Want a slight choppy sound not too much. Will also be a daily driver.
I don't know the full specs of the car in this video but last year I got the custom grind BTR cam with I think is like a stage 2.5, with longtube headers, and intake and I only got 458whp on 91 octane. Not sure why it's lower than the car in this vid. Tuning was done at a speedshop so I would think they know what they're doing.
Btr recently put put an updated btr stage 1 and 3 ls3 cam. Btr v2. Have yoi been able to try out the second version yet? I love this cam in my g8
I have not. But I’m sure we will.
The Stage 2 V2 (which is also called the Red Hot cam) has almost the exact same power curve/torque as this V1 but makes 20 hp more up top with back to back testing.
Is this the BTR stage 2 version 2?
Chopping like Mr Miyagi ! Lol
Lol
how can i get my auto ls3 to 500 whp
Do you sell this tune file?
🔥🔥🔥🔥
On your experience how good will be in my Yukon with the l92 stock heads long tubes? Thanks in advance, really good stuff!🤙🏻
A bit much for a full size. But if it had a 3,200 or so converter it would get down.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars ohh ok that was next question what converter you recommend 3200 street friendly you think?
@@rafaelvazquez284 yes sir! I run a 4,000 in my red tru k
@@NorthernPerformanceCars I also have an L92 Yukon. Can you recommend a mild cam that keeps VVT and is ok for the stock converter?
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Cool man that's perfect data for me I guess, love red truck by the way those spintech made it big time sounds killer bro I'm planning going that route after the cam!!
Are Kooks 1 3/4 long tubes good to use with the BTR Stg2 v2 cam ?
How much can the heads be milled with a bar ls3 stage 1 or 2
Wonder the same. Can you safely mill to 64cc?
Love the video after watching it I purchased the camshaft kit I got a 2010 Camaro SS LS3 6 Speed my question is the car has 104k on it I was wondering do I need to change my timing chain and oil pump don't really want to do it looks like kind of a bitch also I bought the lifter don't know if it's necessary I hope you respond thank you
I’m not a fan of throwing parts at vehicles and many will disagree.
If it has good oil pressure and it was my car I’d absolutely run it with no problem. But if it was a customer car I would do as directed by them.
Thank you sir
@@dustin2fast2 did you intall the btr 2 cam? Results?
Yes last summer never had it dyno but happy with it.
It doesn't like to cruise under 1500 rpm it bucks haven't Figured out how to tune that out with the hp tuner
KD, BTR makes a VVT version of the (version1) Stage2LS3 cam in this video. I have a 2013SS Auto L99 with VVT. It's a daily driver so I'd like power and TQ lower on RPMs too. I'm confused by the VVT debate what do you think?
BTR CAMSHAFT - L99 - VVT STAGE 2 - 1892538136
Specs: 225/238 .612"/.585" 113+6
"This cam has nearly identical specs to our very popular (version1 per BTR) LS3 Stage 2 cam. However, this cam has 3 degrees more advance for increased low end torque. Since the timing on this cam can be retarded via the VVT mechanism, it will make the same or better peak power than our non-VVT Stage 2 cam to give you the best of both worlds. Uses GM actuator 12606358 used in some 2008 and all 2009 and newer engines." -- This claim is vs. their version1 cam that you have in this video (I called BTR)
You have an enormous knowledge base so I wondered if you thought the L99-VVT version of the (version 1) BTR Stage2 LS3 was better for a DD? Would that conclusion change if looking at VVT vs. the (version2) Stage2 LS3 that you said is better than the version1?
Basically Should I keep VVT in my L99 based on your experience? Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge with us!
Vvt makes more power under the curve. If you can run it sure!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Thank you. Do you install VVTs on L99's or is it mostly LS3's you see (or customers who care more about peak)?
Are the intake valve different between the l99 and the ls3, I have the l99 doing did delete and cam can’t I just put the lighter valve?
It does have the same pistons I’m pretty sure
The ls3 has a hollow stem valve and lighter.
The ls3 has a flat top where the l99 had a valve relief.
Otherwise the cam is the difference
@@NorthernPerformanceCars oh I see I was thinking that’s the ls3 also had the valve reliefs, I was thinking the valve reliefs were better but I guess not bc of the compression. So I won’t truly have an ls3. I’m really struggling on my camshaft decision. I was almost wondering what the truck Norris cam would be like in the Camaro but it must not be a great idea since I can’t find anyone who has tried it. Not looking for much high end power I’m
Leaning toward the BTR stage one cam but I’m curious in the difference in mid range power between stage 1 and stage 2
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Thankyou for your response!
@@kyplummer3657 that new stage 1 v2 would be awesome. I would use that for sure. Much earlier powerband. And Carrie’s just as high.
Truck Norris with square port engines are terrible.
Exhaust setup please? High flow cats or no cats?
Speed engineering cars. Kooks high flow cars. Can’t remember what mufflers were on it as we didn’t install them.
Awesome thank you! Sorry forgot to ask, what idle rpm is it set at because it’s nice and loud even with the high flows
@@justinwachtendonk9587 I don’t remember specifically it was a little over a year ago and we do a ton.
But likely 875 ish
Can I run this cam with a stock torque converter ?
You can run any cam with a stock converter.
I wouldn’t choose too.
I’d choose a converter before I even chose a camshaft.
LS engines like higher stall converters l have a 2011 Camaro SS with a more mild LS3 495 horsepower crate engine with a LS3 hot camshaft like l said it's much more mild than this camshaft on this car but it has a Circle D 4200rpm stall converter throttle response is wicked at any speed with this camshaft l think you'd need at least a 3200rpm stall a 3800 would be better and a 4200 would be even better if your running the stock 3.27 gears with a 6L80e transmission the converter will lockup when your street driving or cruising in 5 gear at about 40-45 miles a hour at part throttle and will be slightly spongy below 40-45mph and will need to turn 2700- 3000rpm below 45mph to move with traffic but it's not terrible the car will have unbelievable throttle response at any speed this cam without a stall converter will be sluggish until 3000rpm and l don't think you'll be happy with it pretty sure this cam without a stall converter will make your car slower than stock 0-40mph with little throttle response until over 40mph
That chop is tuned in, right?
Can be manipulated with timing.
Just wondering cause mine sounds much more tame. I have hp tuners and tuned my own. Seems to struggle to maintain a stable idle. I noticed when you add chop it actually seems to idle more consistent
How about the stage one, who does it match up.
The old version stage 1 was about 24 rwhp behind and 300 less rpm.
The new one. The V2 is badass! Almost identical. Within 5 horse!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars awesome Thankyou so much!!
How u think it will do on a 4.8 pick up
It’s way too much cam for a 4.8. Especially when it’s designed for rectangular heads
@@NorthernPerformanceCars what would u recommend for that 4.8 with basic bolt on and what would u recommend for a LS2
@@tenoriopaintcollisiontenor4363 I would recommend a truck Norris camshaft for a 4.8
The ls2 would greatly vary on the rest of the mods/stall converter/intended use etc
@@NorthernPerformanceCars cool thanks greatly appreciated
Is this the BTR stage 2 version 2? Or is it the version 1?
The is the version one. Before the 2 was out.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Nice, thanks for the reply. How many other camshafts have you tested? Really leaning toward the BTR stg 2 after this vid. Was going to go the way of a stage 1 cam for the drivability but this vid calmed my drivability fears of a stage 2. The BTR stage 2 V1 is only $300 now days.
@@Aceelmetric we have quite a few btr cams in ls3 and l99 cars. Check out our other videos. Tons of info in them.
Your also forgetting that the L99 has 10.3 compression vs the 10.7 for the LS3 and I'm not arguing that the stick car doesn't makes more power than a automatic equipped car but l think and l could be wrong a .4 increase in compression should give you 10-15 more horsepower on the same setup only difference is compression 10.3 vs 10.7
For sure. A little to be had in the compression as well. Lighter intake valves which show a little better high rpm control in the ls3 as well
Lumpy cam idles... 5 stars
Great break down.... 5 stars
Yesssssir! Thanks for the review!
That's not what my tuner's telling me
What did he tell you
Kenny D!
They upated your ""Favorite cam ever"!! (??)
1. Do you recommend the normal BTR stage 2 LS3 that you love? Or the new BTR LS3 Stage 2, of the cam you love? (see below)
2. I'll read old posts to see if the stock Torque Converter is OK with the BTR Stage2 cam (normal or V2 update), or if it's best to just mildly upgrade for this cam
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I'm sold on the BTR Stage 2 LS3 Cam, thank you very much for your recommendation, I'm new to this and you have so much experience. Thanks for help up the learning curve and the conclusion.
They have a Version 2 of the Stage 2 LS3 Cam that you love!!!!
briantooleyracing.com/btr-ls3-stage-2-camshaft.html
BTR LS3 STAGE 2 CAMSHAFT
221/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA
Version2 538/491
Stage 2 (not Version 2 update) 529/488
"This V2 version of our Stage 2 camshaft makes more power and torque everywhere in the curve compared to our legendary LS3 cams. Developed in house, we went back to the drawing board to find even more power and torque. These new BTR lobe designs were Spintron and Engine Dyno tested to achieve the highest overall power curve while also maintaining strict valvetrain stability and durability standards."
They are an awesome camshaft! I wouldn’t use it with a stock torque converter though.
But yes. The v2 is an improved version.
Doh, I dont know how to PM sheesh! Anyway - The original BTR STAGE 2 was your go-to favorite. The updated BTR V2 Stage 2 version you say is improved, but is it enough to make it your go-to? Or are you sticking with the BTR LSS N/A Stage 2 (225/238 .62/.605, 113+3 from this video?@@NorthernPerformanceCars
@@peterganucheau6372 I have been switching to All of the V2 stuff.
Their stage 1 is incredible in comparison to their old one.
The v2 is very similar but makes more top end power. So it’s a win win.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars OK so Version 2 stage 2. Thank you. I have a question on VVT -- My 2013SS is an L99 auto -- BTR claims their "VVT" option of the prior (Version1) Stage 2 has the gains up top and more low end torque -- OK, but what do you think of the [VVT Stage 2] vs. the ["Version2, Stage2"]?
BTR CAMSHAFT - L99 - VVT STAGE 2 - 1892538136
Specs: 225/238 .612"/.585" 113+6
"This cam has nearly identical specs to our very popular LS3 Stage 2 cam. However, this cam has 3 degrees more advance for increased low end torque. Since the timing on this cam can be retarded via the VVT mechanism, it will make the same or better peak power than our non-VVT Stage 2 cam to give you the best of both worlds. Uses GM actuator 12606358 used in some 2008 and all 2009 and newer engines.
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BTR SKU 1892538136
Brand Brian Tooley Racing
Part Type Camshaft
Engine Type Gen III/Gen IV LS
Engine Combination NATURALLY ASPIRATED
Camshaft Style HYDRAULIC ROLLER
Cam Bolt Style SINGLE BOLT
**You have an enormous knowledge base so I wondered if you thought this VVT version of the BTR Stage2 was advisable... Thank you!
Do you offer remote tuning?