Nice! I don't understand why SilentSolutions hates on the PVS-7. His point about it having the none of the advantages of a mono or bino system is completely null, as it has the cheaper price tag of a mono but with none of the headaches from a mono, among other things. Not to mention parts availability. Wish I could get one.
@@AevisPrime Thanks a bunch, but it's likely out of my range. I am however looking to build myself some digital NVGs, with a powerful IR flashlight. It should be fine for me, as my needs aren't really tactical.
@@cke5417 go for it. Digital is always going to be bottom of the barrel for NV but it still works for recreational stuff. Hell, but some old Soviet NVGs like a PNV-57A and rewire em to work off a 9v.
I bought my PVS-7 for $600 from someone that didn't like them and that price point I couldn't refuse. I use them as my loaner NVDs for anyone wanting to come night shoot with me.
Damn I must have fallen asleep in history class when they went over those times in the civil war when they started wearing PVS-7s and slapping LAMs on their black powder muskets ;)
I have 4 AN/PVS 7's and 2 AN/PVS 14'S. The PVS 7's have a more rugged housing and Delta image tubes. I ran over my PVS 7 with a jeep one night gunning hogs across the pasture and it just got a couple of scuffs on the body. The PVS 7's are more comfortable for me to use and I don't get the headaches like a ice-pick in my eye like with the PVS 14'S. Yeah the PVS 7's have been around since 1982 and the DOD has spent hundreds of millions on upgrades over the past 40 years. Some people claim neck strain and that is why you slap a Mohawk on your helmet to counterbalance and upgrade your pads. I have 4 more 3rd Gen image tubes for the PVS 7's and complete shell kits are $800. When I need to see at night I leave the PVS-14's at the house. I might buy a bridge for the PVS-14's but I'm not in a hurry for it. Head to head the PVS-14's and PVS 7's have the same image intensifier tube performance and battery life. There is a reason why the DOD does not agree with you about the PVS 7's. Plus best of all there are 40 years of PVS 7 parts out there unlike the PVS-14 which has been a bitch to get parts for over the past 2 years.
Only reason why the pvs-14 was adopted was to provide a cheap form of passive night aiming when used inline with the m68 cco for the average infantryman who wasn't issued a dedicated weapon night sight. Even after the pvs-14 was adopted, the pvs-7 continued to be issued to vehicle crews and personnel already issued a weapon night sight. Why someone would choose a comparable pvs-14 over a pvs-7 is beyond me. Even once you spend enough money to make a 14 outperform a 7, youve put yourself in the price range of a good set of true bino NVGs. Can we please finally collectively leave the monocular NVD concept in the early 2000s where it belongs?
@@Averagejoemk262 yes and I now have 5 AN/PVS 7 setups that we use around the farm. They work great and all have Gen 3 Delta tubes. My 3 AN/PVS 14's just sit in the safe. I've been thinking about getting a bridge or articulating housing kit to transform them into bino's. But it's not a priority.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. I have a PVS 7-D and it has served me well. The tube is over 15 yrs. old and still works like new. I have a W.P tube in factory package for if or when it ever fails. In short, if I’m going to make another investment in the thousands of dollars for night vision, it’ll be for thermal.
So let me get this straight... The reasons we shouldn't is based on your own opinion of the system? But I think Uncle Sam would disagree that it is antiquated and useless.... This is what we used in Operation Desert Dust pt-1 and Desert Dust pt-2 the adventure continues, and we whooped Iraq's ass using them both times.... It's still in use today by a lot of military units all over the world... So far from antiquated and useless.... And the PVS-14 still don't give you depth perception either, so how is that better? If you need to see the lighting conditions then flip them up and back down or wear them further forward and look around them.... Any double eye piece system would have the same problem, including dual tube goggles... If you have issues aiming then get a PEQ-2... And you can get the tubes all day long on ebay... Every problem you outlined as a problem here is not really a problem at all and is fixable with common sense... Including the fragile mount.... Most of what I see is user error and lack of training and familiarity with the unit.... Mostly it isn't what one person likes so nobody should have one.... That's what I got from this video... But I find it funny your bashing the pvs7 for being from the 80s when gen-3 technology was developed in the 1980s.... You're using "antiquated technology" despite it being the newest $8,000+ unit with upgraded housing and fancier decals.... It's all the same crap that's just assembled differently and hyped up as "new tech" to get fools to shell out ungodly amounts of money.... But in the end, just because someone swears by it doesn't mean you won't swear at it.... It does no good to get a new over priced unit that is all the rage now but will be "antiquated" in 10-15 years if you can't use it correctly or at all.... Get what works best for you....
@@fluffyrider9467 I actually own a trybe 14 which is optic planets house brand. They use elbit tubes. They spec sheet on mine was fantastic and it has been great for the money spent.
So if it is truly an antique, belongs in a museum, historical videos and has no place in modern night vision usage, why did the Government place a order on 9/21/20 with Elbit systems for brand new PVS 7 B/D's under Contract No. W91CPB-11-D-0082.
@@atacorion ah yes. Allies we don’t give a shit about having decent shit when we do multinational operations with them in the hottest AO in the 2020s, Europe. Fuckin basic dude. Go back to the basement.
I think this guy needs to be in a antique shop mi-am pvs7 bees work just fine and I have ittt tubes upgraded in mine white phosphorus and they blow out in the other tubes that I've or just as good as any other to buy look to buying or goggles and don't give me a headache should I think you might want to check yourself into an antique shop
I have a Set of duel WP PVS-14’s, and a GP PVS-7. I can say one thing about them, driving at night with IR lights on a vehicle, might sound weird but I feel more comfortable with the 7’s. But thats only one application I prefer to use them for.
I have both dual 14s and 7D. 7 is way better than single 14 any night when it comes to dept perception and dual 14s is better than 7. 7 does gives you a headache if you look for side to side peripheral without moving your head as long as you stop looking for peripheral vision the headache stops. It's a habit.
@@bolshoibooze8010 The 7 actually doesn't give you depth perception at all. Both eyes are seeing the exact same image. In truth, binos don't give you depth perception either, it is somewhat of a misnomer because our ability to judge distances is largely determined by the intersection of each eye's sight. With night vision both eyes are looking straight ahead, so we can't actually determine distance any better than we could on a video or a picture. The main benefit of the 7 and the binos is that you see green (or white) in both eyes than lit on one eye and dark on another. This may cause you to have eye dominance in one eye that you may not want (this is the same reason why both eyes open shooting is not always a good thing, especially if you aren't using an illuminated reticle or a high contrast sight picture such as looking through a scope at a bright sandy terrain). That said, just as you can train for eye dominance, you can train to use the 14 as easily as the 7. In my own experience, it takes people about a month straight (~40 total hours) to really have good mental control over the image, which of course is a major time sink that most people don't have available to them.
I get what you are saying. But they are still great for stargazing and general fun. But they don't have a place in the tactical world. I'll still buy one if I see one dirt cheap though
3 reasons why I chose a PVS-7 in 2023: I have had extensive experience with the pvs-14 in my army days. My brother owns dual-tubes as well as a wp pvs-14, so to round out the collection we needed a pvs-7. The price of my gen3 pvs-7 was less than the price of gen2 pvs-14. Not used- there isnt a scratch on the device. I like the "tactical taliban" or "gulf war cyclops" look. But the biggest reason why you may choose a pvs-7 is because this is America where NVGs are legal and you dont need to explain yourself to anyone as to why you chose one device over another. Are pvs-7s worse than other devices? Yes. Objectively worse. Are pvs-7s useless? Not even a little bit. They work great. They arent "just as good" but they still work great. It's like someone busting your balls for buying a Nissan Rogue over a Ford Explorer. One might do it's job better. But at the end of the day, they will both get the job done, and it sure as hell beats walking.
Do you drive a 1988 Monte Carlo? or was you vehicle built in the 21st century? Just becausee you can drive a vehicle built in the 1980's doesnt mean its a good or practical idea in 2023.
@@atacorion I own 78 El Camino and an 83 AMC that I take out periodically. My daily is a 2018 Jeep, but that doesnt mean it's my exclusive ride. I think it is perfectly fine to buy an older car, provided it is working well. Hell, most of my motorcycles were made in the 80s. I will never shame someone for spending $2k on an old, low-mileage bike in stead of $12k on a new one. Is newer better than older? Absolutely. Does older still get the job done? Absolutely.
@@UncleDon226 Of course you do, if you like old obsolete stuff because you're a collector that's cool, but the -7 is not a front-line NV system and is only around for nostalgia's sake.
@@atacorion Bruh. Nobody who has a pvs-7 is under the delusion that it is a "front-line NV system". We know. "It's only around for nostalgia's sake". Yeah, we know. And when someone with dual tubes tries to rip into them about that, it comes across as someone who is defensive about dropping $10k on nods so they pick on others to make themselves feel better. Not saying you are doing that, just saying thats what it looks like.
I wish you wore you “stop being poor” shirt to deliver this message. Would’ve done the subliminal mind game to some of these boys that aren’t convinced.
Just got a gen 3 PVS 7. I had a cheap digital head mounted one before. Which has the same single image for 2 eyes. Got pretty used to it. But ranged was limited, and it had very low resolution and had an IR illumnator. I tried using it only one eyed. Mimicking a monocular. It was pretty uncomfortable. Considering the cheapest PVS 14 style optic was a gen 2 for 1600. I decided a surplus gen 3 thin film autogated PVS 7 for 1300 was a better choice. PVS14 of same spec would be atleast 1000 more. And 1300 was already greatly stretching my budget.
UPDATE I walked around with the PVS7 for few hours and held it tilted, to mimic a monocular for ~30 min. The ability to see with one normal eye is pretty good in places with streetlights around, like a suburban area. I can "switch" eyes to see, and when there's enough light, I can see with both images which get fused together by your brain. It wasn't as uncomfortable as I thought it is, relative to viewing with both eyes. Didn't get migraines or anything, but I felt some eye strain after 30 min. Slight fatigue would also happen from using it normally. Although in complete darkness monocular wasn't better, and eye strain was worse. With the PVS7 it just feels better, it's like you can mentally focus more. But you do lose awareness of ambient lighting. I found I just had to be aware of how many light sources are around. For depth perception, it's not that bad. The ocular distance is just one of many ways we perceive depth. I had no problems running up to cover. I didn't try stairs though. I'm not an "operator". So I don't really intend to use this device in urban/suburban areas with streetlights. I'd prefer to use flashlights. In complete darkness, where I intend to use this, I think the PVS 7 is better, especially for a long time. Though factoring in compactness, weight, ability to aim, and theoretical durability (moving parts) I think I actually slightly prefer a PVS14. BUT when factored in cost it's no brainer for me to choose PVS 7 over PVS 14 The cheapest Gen 3 PVS 14 is $2800, which is more than doubled $1500 more. Don't even know if it's at the level of Omni VII. I'm already stretching my budget greatly. Also, I have no plans to upgrade anything.
@@Nathan-jh1ho Thank you for your insight! I was lucky enough to throw together an O7 gen 3 pvs 14 for 1500, but I have always wondered what the alternative is in terms of experience.
@@bolawdean I'll just put it here so anyone else can see. I didn't get it from a retailer, rather, I asked around on the night vision discord server. (You can find it by just looking up night vision discord). I got mine out of a combination of luck and alot of patience.
If it came down to an actual situation where you are hunkered down at home having to do watches at night to protect some fam and friends, I would definitely appreciate having a set of 7s in the safe if for nothing else to let another person use for watch. But whatever.
If it came down to it something is better than nothing, that said that’s not what this video is talking about. With the price of a used half way decent -14 being around the $1500 mark and the advantages over a -7, it’s a no brainer which one to choose.
The M-16A2 has been around for about the same amount of time, and nobody recommends that battle proven system. Just because its battle Proven doesn't mean its relevant, viable, effective. I appreciate your comment.
With the new DIY kits at $799 and used GEN 2 tubes for $349, an old school PVS-7 is a great buy at $1,149.00. 50+ years from now, just like the PVS-2 and PVS-4 Scopes, the PVS-7 will still be assisting folks putting hurt on targets at 500 yards in the MoonLight, on a budget. China has the future, with a new compact system which has Thermal and Starlight in the same Scope or Monocular package, as India is reporting seeing on their border conflict with China.
Bro. Crazy that the youtube algorithm showed your channel to me. You were the AI for a class I took with John Lovell (first training I had ever done) about 3-4 years ago. The things you said really clicked and have helped me ever since. Glad to see you're still putting out brass tacks info. Keep up the good work, man!
Best shot I ever seen taken was a guy throwing a rock at a dog from 20yds away wearing 7bs. The depth perception is garbage. Edit: by best, I mean hardest shot I've ever seen taken.
Theres advantages and disadvantages to mono vs duals but really mono pvs 14 is where everyone should start. Save a little longer and wait for a sale. Avoid the 7.
My former BIL worked on PVS-7's during his time in the service. He told me they ran into things with the objective lenses quite frequently. Wear a 7, get a complimentary headache.
I wear many hrs active and could drive just find never ran into anything and gen 3 anpvs-7 B where just fine mount on a go fast hamlet and shooting at night with it laser box and IR illuminator
What about using a pvs 7 as a cheaper night vision observation device (to see and avoid trouble)? I've seen a brand new gen 3 pvs 7s for less that $2000. I've never seen a pvs 14 for under $2000. The 7 is cheaper than a 14.
@@atacorion The cheapest I've seen a 14 priced at was $2400 for a gen 3 (green non hand select). A gen 3 green non hand select 7 can be had from optics planet for just under $2000. Even if you can't fight with a 7, couldn't you still use it as a NVOD (observation device) to see and avoid others who want nothing more than to get into a fight with the first person they find at night?
And the AR platform has evolved in too many ways to count since the 80's so that it wasnt abandoned. The PVS-7 hasn't. So nice try with an apples to oranges argument that really makes you look educated on this topic.
@@atacorion We just gonna ignore the auto-gate gen3 WP PVS-7? TF you mean they havent evolved? You are aware they make the latest tubes for the PVS-7 housing, right? The irony of you calling someone else uneducated is hilarious
@@UncleDon226pretty much any tube built in the last 20 years is gonna be autogated. Show up to a NV class with an Unfilmed Super Gain 10130 tube and I’ll buy you a steak dinner.
Just bought some 7s for $1500 and I this is the first thing that popped up on TH-cam. This is gonna be my first Nods outside the service hopefully I didn't made a mistake.
Ah was having the same problem. Lots of really good videos I wanted to share to some people. Thought I was imagining watching those videos after I couldn't find them.
If you have any of the old night vision optics like the Kite Sight or something it would be interesting to hear about them. Especially in the context of how they performed to their peers when they were in service. Basically if you know anything about the history of night vision I’d love to hear it.
So for us poors, what's the option? Say I got 2000-2500 for just a PVS-14, what you looking at? I saw a thin-filmed WP zone 3 blem unit right around 3k a few months ago IIRC. Think the taxes are going to eat me alive though and push it north of 3400 all said and done...
@@atacorion someone told me I could buy some off brand pvs14 wannabe in kit form without tube. I have a 14 and two pvs7s that I can't get much money for but if I could make a couple of monoculars out of them I would gladly she'll out a little. Nice clean tubes in those old 7s with low hours.
I see used PVS7s for 500-1500 bucks, I want to know what other options fall into that price point . Because if I’m picking up a second NVD for my wife to use I ain’t forking big dollars for it considering it will get minimal use.
@@atacorion Yup, there's still deals around for 14's, I just bought a PVS-14 with a crappy blemmed OMNI IV tube for $1400 as a backup for my RNVG's with OMNI VII tubes. Looks like the used market or buying gen 3 GP tube PVS-14 refurbs from NVD devices for $1800 is the way to go for a poor over the 7's.
I will say, while the PVS-7 isn't great I've managed to score one for under a grand which is always a great thing with NV. But I agree, unless you're getting a smoking deal people should pass and at least aim for a 14 instead
bought a bino with photonis echo tubes an have some omni 7 pvs 7 , and i dont agree with the video ,yes its old and clunky bud comfortable , by the way , dovetail to bayonet is a game changer .
Interesting take, where most of your points are wrong lol. 1- yes it’s 2021(4 now), when I was in Iraq in 2006-08 we used M2 50’s on our trucks that were made in WW2. Age doesn’t inherently make something bad or outdated. 2- I don’t think most people care about swapping out tubes. Never crossed my mind. My Tacoma’s engine is proprietary, doesn’t bother me because I wouldn’t swap it out. 3- yes, a biocular isn’t a monocular or binocular. Plenty of other things it isn’t too. 4- most valid point you have, not sure it’s a deal breaker level issue for most. 5- I picked mine up for $1200 used. There’s nothing of this quality level for anywhere near that price. If you have a bigger budget then sure buy better, but not everyone can afford or needs to buy a new Ferrari. Doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to drive.
Couple of counterpoints to your argument There isn't an M3 HMG that makes the M2 obsolete, so you're stuck with the M2, there are a lot of PVS systems that have made the -7 obsolete. You were issued the gear you used, this is for folks buying into NV, so you missed one of the points I was trying to make entirely. Its not about swapping tubes into a -7, its about swapping the tube into a newer better more modern housing which a lot of people do with 11769 and 10160 tubes these days. Again you missed the point because you probably don't have as much understanding about NV as I do, based on working in and around this industry for a decade now. Your Tacoma's engine is the same engine as the 4runner and some models of the Camry. Again, I am speaking about buying a new PVS-7 not a new one but for $500-1000 more than what you paid, you're in PVS-14 territory and the -14 absolutely destroys the -7 in every way. Given the small price difference save up more money for a little while longer. IF you like the -7 keep the -7, but the people I see with -7's after only a 2-night NV class offload their -7's shortly thereafter. People who use their gear understand this, people who were issued and used it 20 years ago and don't know any better don't. The -7 is the 1911 of NV.
@@atacorion lol I carry a 1911 at times too. I’m not going to re say each point, but to be pedantic there’s no Camry with a 4.0 V-6. You say $1k more as if that isn’t TWICE the cost. The average user isn’t changing their tubes into new housings, or kicking in doors for that matter. I suppose you’d rather people have nothing, but there’s value in the PVS-7. So long as they still turn on they always will have value, btw I could care less if you have ten years of experience, any argument to authority is a weak argument. “I’ve been doing this for years” means I should be quiet because the pro is talking, which is for people like Fauci, not the 2a community. There’s a huge market for people who don’t want to spend used car money on, let’s be real here, a toy they will never actually need.
People would have to be out of there minds to buy a new pvs7 but a surplus pvs7 for $750-$1200 is a no brainer for people sitting in a stand hunting or just wanting to mess around with gen 3 night vision. For the guys looking to take classes and do some tactical shit everything you said is absolutely true
Where do you get them for $750. I waited a long time and found someone selling 2009 Omni VII ones for 1300. Anything below $1000 was broken for parts only.
@@Nathan-jh1ho There were last Christmas I saw a $700 ish PVS7 on ebay, of course it had a huge brick blemish in the A zone, but at that price, it is practically like getting the IIT free.
Hey I know this is off topic but, I saw you cover LIF and how it does not help or save your nods from blemishes. my question is, how do you personally prevent or try to mitigate the chances of causing damage to your tubes when it comes to lasers or whatever you might run into at an event or force on force. I've been saving for years, finally bought myself a nice tube and I really wanna go to work but I'm really worried about damaging this equipment.
I wouldn't take my word as final, but I remember reading a discussion of this. From what I understand the general consensus was that it should be fine.
Can you do a video where you open up an image intensifier? Do you guys actually do that? I'd like to see what is inside one. There are other videos online of people building a pvs 14 but none of anyone opening a "tube".
I think there are videos online of people opening up non-functioning tubes, but its not really something thats meant to be opened. Opening it would break the vacuum seal.
So anyway I've got a pvs-7 omni vii on the way and I am so excited. Also great video, I like how you delivered the bit while making the performance seem sincere, even though this is clearly a sarcastic video making fun of people who take this stuff to seriously and act like eliteists.
The PVS-7 is absolutely fine for the price. dollar for dollar you'll get more from a 1500$ PVS-7 than you will from a 2500$ PVS-14. edit: everything in the NV world is just 300$ more. no matter how many times you save an extra 300$, theres always some asshole telling you to jus save 300$ more and get X.
@@atacorion I’ll be on the look out for a $1400 PVS-14, thanks. All jokes aside do you think it would be better to assemble a PVS-14 from a parts kit or just buy a complete one?
I don't care nods are nods my guy if it has gen 3 image intensifier tube in it I'm good I'm gonna run that pvs7 I have until it breaks, I bought my military surplus PVS with gen 3+ green phosphor milspec image intensifier tube in it for $975 bucks shipped so too me it's cheap unit I didn't pay what everyone else is paying
This makes me want to buy a cheap 7 for giggling around when my buddies and I get together. Wonder how cheap I can find a pasgt and an interceptor vest.
Before the pandemic there were people selling PVS-7 with a blemished tube for 1k. I got a couple buddies who were on a real budget to get those and it is serving them well. Right now though the prices are ridiculous. They are going used for the same price as a new 14, so it definitely doesn't make sense to buy a 7 anymore.
I have no issues walking,running, and driving However I did eat a latter while climbing into. tree stand under 7s once(under questionable circumstances😂) Ps-had it since I was 16 and I intend to run it till one of us dies
I got a great idea let’s throw everything nightvison related in the trash and only use white lights since we all know in this guy does not think affordable is a concern
thanks for this video, pvs7 fascinates me a lot but I didn't think it could give all these problems. I will definitely choose another night vision device.
The 7 isn't terrible, practically speaking I don't think you will be bad off if you can find a gen 3 7 for $1,500k or less, which are out there, you just have to scour the net daily for about a month or two. One of the best "proving grounds" that are accessible to a civilian are milsim events. Lots of people still using 7 and they can still regularly spot and take out dual tube users. The 7 is just not a good purchase if you plan to buy one device to be the end all be all. The 14 is nice because it is kind of modular as you can buy one now, and buy another later to have duals which you can split with a buddy if necessary. A lot of 7s are overpriced and so comparing a $2,500 7 that you might find on optics planet doesn't make a whole lot of sense when Ebay 14s are $2k, and TNVC sells really great ones for 3K. If you aren't planning to actually fight IRL with them (like you aren't making a decision for a rapid response LE group like SWAT or something), go for the 7 if you like the charm of it. If in some wild emergency you end up needing to seriously use your 7, you aren't going to be that far behind anyone else. Just having any gen 3 NVD setup is like 90% of the advantage. The rest comes down to training, your tactical knowledge, and the strategy applied to the situation. A game example is a milsim event I took my friend to last year involved him staying behind with other people who didn't have night vision to hold our campground while I and other users went off to hunt other players. The opposition night vision team pimped out with dual tubes came to wipe him out, but rather than splitting their team into two elements, they approached from a single direction and just assumed they were in shadows, and so my friend who only had a flashlight was able to see them coming and mowed them all down before they could react. Night vision is a major advantage, but like anything, the returns on investment taper off past a certain point, and it won't guarantee success in your endeavors just because you buy what everyone else has. So don't think just because you have a 7 that you have a game breaking disadvantage. It's workable, it's just not the best bang for your buck if you can afford better and care only about pragmatics, not just fun.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj thank you for your answer, well i must say i talked to other nvg owners and they recommended the pvs7 to me, i also tried a binocular and honestly the only difference i noticed it was the perception of depth, unfortunately for me that I live in Italy it is almost impossible to find a pvs7 in good condition for so little, third generation binoculars cost a lot and I don't like monoculars, so even after trying a biocular like the pvs7 I definitely decided to re-evaluate it and buy one and then mount it on norotos facemask.Unfortunately my team plays very little at night but I want it out of pure nvg passion and I will use it at night for walks in the mountains and countryside.
Just spent 1500 on an HHV Helmet, Wilcox G24, and PVS-7B just to spite you. The 7 is by far one of the best entry level units to start with.
There’s dumb, and then there’s you.
Nice! I don't understand why SilentSolutions hates on the PVS-7. His point about it having the none of the advantages of a mono or bino system is completely null, as it has the cheaper price tag of a mono but with none of the headaches from a mono, among other things. Not to mention parts availability. Wish I could get one.
@@atacorion there's arrogant and conceited, then there's whatever hole you crawled out of.
@@AevisPrime Thanks a bunch, but it's likely out of my range. I am however looking to build myself some digital NVGs, with a powerful IR flashlight. It should be fine for me, as my needs aren't really tactical.
@@cke5417 go for it. Digital is always going to be bottom of the barrel for NV but it still works for recreational stuff. Hell, but some old Soviet NVGs like a PNV-57A and rewire em to work off a 9v.
I bought my PVS-7 for $600 from someone that didn't like them and that price point I couldn't refuse. I use them as my loaner NVDs for anyone wanting to come night shoot with me.
I'll buy them from you for 700.
Damn I must have fallen asleep in history class when they went over those times in the civil war when they started wearing PVS-7s and slapping LAMs on their black powder muskets ;)
I have 4 AN/PVS 7's and 2 AN/PVS 14'S. The PVS 7's have a more rugged housing and Delta image tubes. I ran over my PVS 7 with a jeep one night gunning hogs across the pasture and it just got a couple of scuffs on the body. The PVS 7's are more comfortable for me to use and I don't get the headaches like a ice-pick in my eye like with the PVS 14'S. Yeah the PVS 7's have been around since 1982 and the DOD has spent hundreds of millions on upgrades over the past 40 years. Some people claim neck strain and that is why you slap a Mohawk on your helmet to counterbalance and upgrade your pads. I have 4 more 3rd Gen image tubes for the PVS 7's and complete shell kits are $800. When I need to see at night I leave the PVS-14's at the house. I might buy a bridge for the PVS-14's but I'm not in a hurry for it. Head to head the PVS-14's and PVS 7's have the same image intensifier tube performance and battery life. There is a reason why the DOD does not agree with you about the PVS 7's. Plus best of all there are 40 years of PVS 7 parts out there unlike the PVS-14 which has been a bitch to get parts for over the past 2 years.
Only reason why the pvs-14 was adopted was to provide a cheap form of passive night aiming when used inline with the m68 cco for the average infantryman who wasn't issued a dedicated weapon night sight. Even after the pvs-14 was adopted, the pvs-7 continued to be issued to vehicle crews and personnel already issued a weapon night sight. Why someone would choose a comparable pvs-14 over a pvs-7 is beyond me. Even once you spend enough money to make a 14 outperform a 7, youve put yourself in the price range of a good set of true bino NVGs. Can we please finally collectively leave the monocular NVD concept in the early 2000s where it belongs?
I know it has been a year, but do you still like your pvs 7? Looking to getting something and can’t justify the 14
@@Averagejoemk262 yes and I now have 5 AN/PVS 7 setups that we use around the farm. They work great and all have Gen 3 Delta tubes. My 3 AN/PVS 14's just sit in the safe. I've been thinking about getting a bridge or articulating housing kit to transform them into bino's. But it's not a priority.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. I have a PVS 7-D and it has served me well. The tube is over 15 yrs. old and still works like new. I have a W.P tube in factory package for if or when it ever fails. In short, if I’m going to make another investment in the thousands of dollars for night vision, it’ll be for thermal.
I’m getting one and modernizing it
Lol how? Cutting it in half?
@@ipodhty LMFAO
How about that Prometheus 3 ? It looks like a good scope
@@UIgnorantprick no, I’m not familiar with it. I’ll try to find some research on it.
So let me get this straight... The reasons we shouldn't is based on your own opinion of the system?
But I think Uncle Sam would disagree that it is antiquated and useless.... This is what we used in Operation Desert Dust pt-1 and Desert Dust pt-2 the adventure continues, and we whooped Iraq's ass using them both times.... It's still in use today by a lot of military units all over the world... So far from antiquated and useless....
And the PVS-14 still don't give you depth perception either, so how is that better?
If you need to see the lighting conditions then flip them up and back down or wear them further forward and look around them.... Any double eye piece system would have the same problem, including dual tube goggles... If you have issues aiming then get a PEQ-2... And you can get the tubes all day long on ebay...
Every problem you outlined as a problem here is not really a problem at all and is fixable with common sense... Including the fragile mount.... Most of what I see is user error and lack of training and familiarity with the unit.... Mostly it isn't what one person likes so nobody should have one.... That's what I got from this video...
But I find it funny your bashing the pvs7 for being from the 80s when gen-3 technology was developed in the 1980s.... You're using "antiquated technology" despite it being the newest $8,000+ unit with upgraded housing and fancier decals.... It's all the same crap that's just assembled differently and hyped up as "new tech" to get fools to shell out ungodly amounts of money....
But in the end, just because someone swears by it doesn't mean you won't swear at it.... It does no good to get a new over priced unit that is all the rage now but will be "antiquated" in 10-15 years if you can't use it correctly or at all.... Get what works best for you....
Sit down boomer. Nobody with half a brain advocates a PVS-7 in 2022.
@@atacorion I do
@@atacorionI do
@@clipatrocity like I said half a brain
But, but nutnfancy said it was good and that I should try to get it in white phosphorus.
I bet he did
@@atacorion i tried watching his latest NV video. It was terrible.
@@ChevTecGroup I agree he didn't do his research especially for like a 40 plus minute video lol
@@bdpersha what do you think about his pvs14 video and Trybe as a brand?
@@fluffyrider9467
I actually own a trybe 14 which is optic planets house brand. They use elbit tubes. They spec sheet on mine was fantastic and it has been great for the money spent.
So if it is truly an antique, belongs in a museum, historical videos and has no place in modern night vision usage, why did the Government place a order on 9/21/20 with Elbit systems for brand new PVS 7 B/D's under Contract No. W91CPB-11-D-0082.
For foreign militaries that we don’t give a shit about.
@@atacorion Well looks like parts & pickups will be around for a LONG TIME. : )
Anddd....the Taliban now got them. Bunch of 7s.
@@atacorion ah yes. Allies we don’t give a shit about having decent shit when we do multinational operations with them in the hottest AO in the 2020s, Europe.
Fuckin basic dude. Go back to the basement.
I think this guy needs to be in a antique shop mi-am pvs7 bees work just fine and I have ittt tubes upgraded in mine white phosphorus and they blow out in the other tubes that I've or just as good as any other to buy look to buying or goggles and don't give me a headache should I think you might want to check yourself into an antique shop
I have a Set of duel WP PVS-14’s, and a GP PVS-7. I can say one thing about them, driving at night with IR lights on a vehicle, might sound weird but I feel more comfortable with the 7’s. But thats only one application I prefer to use them for.
I have both dual 14s and 7D. 7 is way better than single 14 any night when it comes to dept perception and dual 14s is better than 7. 7 does gives you a headache if you look for side to side peripheral without moving your head as long as you stop looking for peripheral vision the headache stops. It's a habit.
@@bolshoibooze8010 The 7 actually doesn't give you depth perception at all. Both eyes are seeing the exact same image. In truth, binos don't give you depth perception either, it is somewhat of a misnomer because our ability to judge distances is largely determined by the intersection of each eye's sight. With night vision both eyes are looking straight ahead, so we can't actually determine distance any better than we could on a video or a picture.
The main benefit of the 7 and the binos is that you see green (or white) in both eyes than lit on one eye and dark on another. This may cause you to have eye dominance in one eye that you may not want (this is the same reason why both eyes open shooting is not always a good thing, especially if you aren't using an illuminated reticle or a high contrast sight picture such as looking through a scope at a bright sandy terrain). That said, just as you can train for eye dominance, you can train to use the 14 as easily as the 7. In my own experience, it takes people about a month straight (~40 total hours) to really have good mental control over the image, which of course is a major time sink that most people don't have available to them.
Both of you boys are the exception not the rule
I get what you are saying. But they are still great for stargazing and general fun. But they don't have a place in the tactical world. I'll still buy one if I see one dirt cheap though
All my kit and guns are from the 1980's minus a saw 200rd pouch :(
3 reasons why I chose a PVS-7 in 2023:
I have had extensive experience with the pvs-14 in my army days. My brother owns dual-tubes as well as a wp pvs-14, so to round out the collection we needed a pvs-7.
The price of my gen3 pvs-7 was less than the price of gen2 pvs-14. Not used- there isnt a scratch on the device.
I like the "tactical taliban" or "gulf war cyclops" look.
But the biggest reason why you may choose a pvs-7 is because this is America where NVGs are legal and you dont need to explain yourself to anyone as to why you chose one device over another. Are pvs-7s worse than other devices? Yes. Objectively worse. Are pvs-7s useless? Not even a little bit. They work great. They arent "just as good" but they still work great.
It's like someone busting your balls for buying a Nissan Rogue over a Ford Explorer. One might do it's job better. But at the end of the day, they will both get the job done, and it sure as hell beats walking.
Do you drive a 1988 Monte Carlo? or was you vehicle built in the 21st century? Just becausee you can drive a vehicle built in the 1980's doesnt mean its a good or practical idea in 2023.
@@atacorion I own 78 El Camino and an 83 AMC that I take out periodically. My daily is a 2018 Jeep, but that doesnt mean it's my exclusive ride. I think it is perfectly fine to buy an older car, provided it is working well. Hell, most of my motorcycles were made in the 80s. I will never shame someone for spending $2k on an old, low-mileage bike in stead of $12k on a new one.
Is newer better than older? Absolutely. Does older still get the job done? Absolutely.
@@UncleDon226 Of course you do, if you like old obsolete stuff because you're a collector that's cool, but the -7 is not a front-line NV system and is only around for nostalgia's sake.
@@atacorion Bruh. Nobody who has a pvs-7 is under the delusion that it is a "front-line NV system". We know. "It's only around for nostalgia's sake". Yeah, we know. And when someone with dual tubes tries to rip into them about that, it comes across as someone who is defensive about dropping $10k on nods so they pick on others to make themselves feel better.
Not saying you are doing that, just saying thats what it looks like.
I think you missed the point of the video entirely
I wish you wore you “stop being poor” shirt to deliver this message. Would’ve done the subliminal mind game to some of these boys that aren’t convinced.
Just got a gen 3 PVS 7. I had a cheap digital head mounted one before. Which has the same single image for 2 eyes. Got pretty used to it. But ranged was limited, and it had very low resolution and had an IR illumnator. I tried using it only one eyed. Mimicking a monocular. It was pretty uncomfortable. Considering the cheapest PVS 14 style optic was a gen 2 for 1600. I decided a surplus gen 3 thin film autogated PVS 7 for 1300 was a better choice. PVS14 of same spec would be atleast 1000 more. And 1300 was already greatly stretching my budget.
UPDATE
I walked around with the PVS7 for few hours and held it tilted, to mimic a monocular for ~30 min.
The ability to see with one normal eye is pretty good in places with streetlights around, like a suburban area. I can "switch" eyes to see, and when there's enough light, I can see with both images which get fused together by your brain. It wasn't as uncomfortable as I thought it is, relative to viewing with both eyes. Didn't get migraines or anything, but I felt some eye strain after 30 min. Slight fatigue would also happen from using it normally. Although in complete darkness monocular wasn't better, and eye strain was worse. With the PVS7 it just feels better, it's like you can mentally focus more. But you do lose awareness of ambient lighting. I found I just had to be aware of how many light sources are around. For depth perception, it's not that bad. The ocular distance is just one of many ways we perceive depth. I had no problems running up to cover. I didn't try stairs though.
I'm not an "operator". So I don't really intend to use this device in urban/suburban areas with streetlights. I'd prefer to use flashlights. In complete darkness, where I intend to use this, I think the PVS 7 is better, especially for a long time. Though factoring in compactness, weight, ability to aim, and theoretical durability (moving parts) I think I actually slightly prefer a PVS14.
BUT when factored in cost it's no brainer for me to choose PVS 7 over PVS 14
The cheapest Gen 3 PVS 14 is $2800, which is more than doubled $1500 more. Don't even know if it's at the level of Omni VII. I'm already stretching my budget greatly. Also, I have no plans to upgrade anything.
@@Nathan-jh1ho Thank you for your insight! I was lucky enough to throw together an O7 gen 3 pvs 14 for 1500, but I have always wondered what the alternative is in terms of experience.
@@Anna-1917 Niceeee.
@@Anna-1917 pm me where to look if you don’t mind 👌🏼
@@bolawdean I'll just put it here so anyone else can see. I didn't get it from a retailer, rather, I asked around on the night vision discord server. (You can find it by just looking up night vision discord). I got mine out of a combination of luck and alot of patience.
I know 1st Gen night vision is heavy and crap, but the PVS-5s and 7s look cool! Price sucks and I just want the surplus at surplus prices.
If it came down to an actual situation where you are hunkered down at home having to do watches at night to protect some fam and friends, I would definitely appreciate having a set of 7s in the safe if for nothing else to let another person use for watch. But whatever.
If it came down to it something is better than nothing, that said that’s not what this video is talking about. With the price of a used half way decent -14 being around the $1500 mark and the advantages over a -7, it’s a no brainer which one to choose.
A good idea is why you shouldn't listen to guys that say "why you shouldn't" PVS7 has been around for a long time and is battle proven..
The M-16A2 has been around for about the same amount of time, and nobody recommends that battle proven system. Just because its battle Proven doesn't mean its relevant, viable, effective. I appreciate your comment.
LOL this whole time I thought you were taking about the Pvs14 and I was like, damn he’s really talking me out of spending 3.5k haha.
Then I realized
With the new DIY kits at $799 and used GEN 2 tubes for $349, an old school PVS-7 is a great buy at $1,149.00. 50+ years from now, just like the PVS-2 and PVS-4 Scopes, the PVS-7 will still be assisting folks putting hurt on targets at 500 yards in the MoonLight, on a budget.
China has the future, with a new compact system which has Thermal and Starlight in the same Scope or Monocular package, as India is reporting seeing on their border conflict with China.
Where the hell do you get a Gen 2 for 349?
@@Mr_Glenn he bought Gen 1 Chinese junk on wish and thought it was gen2
@@HaloDude557 well, does aliexpress even stock pvs-7 tubes?
@@CantoniaCustoms if you're buying anything Chinese, it's not going to be ITAR and have anything over Gen 1.
I would love to see you hit a target at 500 yards. This sounds like a @garand_thumb challenge
It’d be nice if I had other options in my area, but it seems that PVS-7 is the only way forward. That or gen 1 NVGs.
Hey, it still lets you see in the dark. Pretty damn big advantage no matter how clunky it is.
Bro. Crazy that the youtube algorithm showed your channel to me. You were the AI for a class I took with John Lovell (first training I had ever done) about 3-4 years ago. The things you said really clicked and have helped me ever since.
Glad to see you're still putting out brass tacks info. Keep up the good work, man!
Glad to hear man.
Best shot I ever seen taken was a guy throwing a rock at a dog from 20yds away wearing 7bs. The depth perception is garbage.
Edit: by best, I mean hardest shot I've ever seen taken.
I agree with all your points. But part of me still wants one
They're cool, and OMNI VII's have fantastic image quality
Dude is clueless
Theres advantages and disadvantages to mono vs duals but really mono pvs 14 is where everyone should start. Save a little longer and wait for a sale. Avoid the 7.
My former BIL worked on PVS-7's during his time in the service. He told me they ran into things with the objective lenses quite frequently. Wear a 7, get a complimentary headache.
I wear many hrs active and could drive just find never ran into anything and gen 3 anpvs-7 B where just fine mount on a go fast hamlet and shooting at night with it laser box and IR illuminator
What about using a pvs 7 as a cheaper night vision observation device (to see and avoid trouble)?
I've seen a brand new gen 3 pvs 7s for less that $2000. I've never seen a pvs 14 for under $2000.
The 7 is cheaper than a 14.
If you shop around you can find -14's that are half decent for $1500
@@atacorion The cheapest I've seen a 14 priced at was $2400 for a gen 3 (green non hand select).
A gen 3 green non hand select 7 can be had from optics planet for just under $2000.
Even if you can't fight with a 7, couldn't you still use it as a NVOD (observation device) to see and avoid others who want nothing more than to get into a fight with the first person they find at night?
@@atacorion where? Cheapest i see is 2,500 from nighthawk vision. Show me where the cheap ones are 😂 i need one
People sell used -14’s regularly for $1500 in FB night vision group
Was this used by the South at Gettysburg?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
It will be.
PVS-7s are from the 80s so they're ancient. I suppose we should abandon the AR platform too.
And the AR platform has evolved in too many ways to count since the 80's so that it wasnt abandoned. The PVS-7 hasn't. So nice try with an apples to oranges argument that really makes you look educated on this topic.
@@atacorion We just gonna ignore the auto-gate gen3 WP PVS-7? TF you mean they havent evolved? You are aware they make the latest tubes for the PVS-7 housing, right? The irony of you calling someone else uneducated is hilarious
@@UncleDon226pretty much any tube built in the last 20 years is gonna be autogated. Show up to a NV class with an Unfilmed Super Gain 10130 tube and I’ll buy you a steak dinner.
In my opinion, if you can get them for about 1-2 grand for a gen 3 version. that's fine, but 3-4 grand is asking way too much for them.
Just bought some 7s for $1500 and I this is the first thing that popped up on TH-cam. This is gonna be my first Nods outside the service hopefully I didn't made a mistake.
if youre more than the occasional casual user, you'll quickly realize that you just flushed $1500 down the toilet with your 1980's designed device.
Sucks being one of the poors! PVS-7 gang
Are some of the videos getting removed? I was looking around to re-watch something and a lot of videos I know I saw from you aren't here anymore.
Yes many of my technical videos are removed. They will return again in a better format on a different outlet.
Ah was having the same problem. Lots of really good videos I wanted to share to some people. Thought I was imagining watching those videos after I couldn't find them.
If you have any of the old night vision optics like the Kite Sight or something it would be interesting to hear about them. Especially in the context of how they performed to their peers when they were in service. Basically if you know anything about the history of night vision I’d love to hear it.
So for us poors, what's the option? Say I got 2000-2500 for just a PVS-14, what you looking at? I saw a thin-filmed WP zone 3 blem unit right around 3k a few months ago IIRC. Think the taxes are going to eat me alive though and push it north of 3400 all said and done...
PVS 7s. They are good to go. They are proven, ready to go.
Did you private a bunch of videos? I wanted to re-watch a few and was disappointed to se they were gone :(
They’re on Patreon, I re-recorded them with better quality equipment
Lmao is this guy serious?
Does anyone know of a way to make a monocular with the tubes from a pvs7.
You sell it to buy a PVS-14
@@atacorionwow thanks.
@@atacorion someone told me I could buy some off brand pvs14 wannabe in kit form without tube.
I have a 14 and two pvs7s that I can't get much money for but if I could make a couple of monoculars out of them I would gladly she'll out a little. Nice clean tubes in those old 7s with low hours.
well this video didnt make their price go down. put out another one please!
I see used PVS7s for 500-1500 bucks, I want to know what other options fall into that price point . Because if I’m picking up a second NVD for my wife to use I ain’t forking big dollars for it considering it will get minimal use.
For $250-500 more you can absolutely track down a used and probably higher performance PVS-14z
@@atacorion Yup, there's still deals around for 14's, I just bought a PVS-14 with a crappy blemmed OMNI IV tube for $1400 as a backup for my RNVG's with OMNI VII tubes. Looks like the used market or buying gen 3 GP tube PVS-14 refurbs from NVD devices for $1800 is the way to go for a poor over the 7's.
@@Chud9737you said it man, the only reason you buy a -7 these days is because you have Down’s syndrome
What do you think of the nvg 7-2 it’s similar to a pvs 7 but I think it’s more modern and still in production
Not worth it at all. Pay a few dollars more and get their PVS-14 model.
A PVS-7 is only worth it if you can get it cheap.
I will say, while the PVS-7 isn't great I've managed to score one for under a grand which is always a great thing with NV. But I agree, unless you're getting a smoking deal people should pass and at least aim for a 14 instead
Never use a pvs-7, is it heavy if you use it with the harness? is it hard to walk?
The housing is 100% upgradable now lol 3d printing and the night vision world has taken off ive turned all my 7's into monos
Lots of bad guys have been dropped by dudes rocking 7’s
The P-51 Mustang was great in it time, doesn’t mean it has a place on the battlefield today.
bought a bino with photonis echo tubes an have some omni 7 pvs 7 , and i dont agree with the video ,yes its old and clunky bud comfortable , by the way , dovetail to bayonet is a game changer .
Exactly. PVS 7 with good Omni 7 tube and dovetail adapter is good kit. Says a non salesman. : )
Interesting take, where most of your points are wrong lol. 1- yes it’s 2021(4 now), when I was in Iraq in 2006-08 we used M2 50’s on our trucks that were made in WW2. Age doesn’t inherently make something bad or outdated. 2- I don’t think most people care about swapping out tubes. Never crossed my mind. My Tacoma’s engine is proprietary, doesn’t bother me because I wouldn’t swap it out. 3- yes, a biocular isn’t a monocular or binocular. Plenty of other things it isn’t too. 4- most valid point you have, not sure it’s a deal breaker level issue for most. 5- I picked mine up for $1200 used. There’s nothing of this quality level for anywhere near that price. If you have a bigger budget then sure buy better, but not everyone can afford or needs to buy a new Ferrari. Doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to drive.
Couple of counterpoints to your argument
There isn't an M3 HMG that makes the M2 obsolete, so you're stuck with the M2, there are a lot of PVS systems that have made the -7 obsolete. You were issued the gear you used, this is for folks buying into NV, so you missed one of the points I was trying to make entirely.
Its not about swapping tubes into a -7, its about swapping the tube into a newer better more modern housing which a lot of people do with 11769 and 10160 tubes these days. Again you missed the point because you probably don't have as much understanding about NV as I do, based on working in and around this industry for a decade now.
Your Tacoma's engine is the same engine as the 4runner and some models of the Camry.
Again, I am speaking about buying a new PVS-7 not a new one but for $500-1000 more than what you paid, you're in PVS-14 territory and the -14 absolutely destroys the -7 in every way. Given the small price difference save up more money for a little while longer.
IF you like the -7 keep the -7, but the people I see with -7's after only a 2-night NV class offload their -7's shortly thereafter. People who use their gear understand this, people who were issued and used it 20 years ago and don't know any better don't. The -7 is the 1911 of NV.
@@atacorion lol I carry a 1911 at times too. I’m not going to re say each point, but to be pedantic there’s no Camry with a 4.0 V-6. You say $1k more as if that isn’t TWICE the cost. The average user isn’t changing their tubes into new housings, or kicking in doors for that matter. I suppose you’d rather people have nothing, but there’s value in the PVS-7. So long as they still turn on they always will have value, btw I could care less if you have ten years of experience, any argument to authority is a weak argument. “I’ve been doing this for years” means I should be quiet because the pro is talking, which is for people like Fauci, not the 2a community. There’s a huge market for people who don’t want to spend used car money on, let’s be real here, a toy they will never actually need.
@@BamaPewPewthat’s cute
@@atacorion better than your elitist attitude.
@@BamaPewPew #stopbeingpoor
People would have to be out of there minds to buy a new pvs7 but a surplus pvs7 for $750-$1200 is a no brainer for people sitting in a stand hunting or just wanting to mess around with gen 3 night vision. For the guys looking to take classes and do some tactical shit everything you said is absolutely true
Where do you get them for $750. I waited a long time and found someone selling 2009 Omni VII ones for 1300. Anything below $1000 was broken for parts only.
@@Nathan-jh1ho There were last Christmas I saw a $700 ish PVS7 on ebay, of course it had a huge brick blemish in the A zone, but at that price, it is practically like getting the IIT free.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj There's a PVS 14 gen 3 on ebay right now for 1600 that has a huge blemish
@@Nathan-jh1ho TBH at that price I'd just pick up an AGM Gen 2 14.
Edit: lmao that one PVS-7 at 4k.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj The SFK one?
Would you buy a NEW gen 3 white phosphor PVS7 for 2K?
Did you watch the video:?
Hey I know this is off topic but, I saw you cover LIF and how it does not help or save your nods from blemishes.
my question is, how do you personally prevent or try to mitigate the chances of causing damage to your tubes when it comes to lasers or whatever you might run into at an event or force on force.
I've been saving for years, finally bought myself a nice tube and I really wanna go to work but I'm really worried about damaging this equipment.
Brosef. Use your nods. Do not shine the laser in them to see what happens. You will be fine. If you get flashed you are blind.
The bayonet mount being a molded in part of the housing is good enough reason to not buy a pvs7
Took your advice and went with the PVS14. When traveling (air); can the device be damaged from the X-ray machine at the airport? Thanks.
I wouldn't take my word as final, but I remember reading a discussion of this. From what I understand the general consensus was that it should be fine.
I got a tube for free, I'd have been a fool not to buy a housing :P
Would it be worth it for 1000 bucks?
Can you do a video where you open up an image intensifier? Do you guys actually do that? I'd like to see what is inside one. There are other videos online of people building a pvs 14 but none of anyone opening a "tube".
No definitely not.
@@atacorion is that because of warranty issues, ITAR stuff, or both?
@@Rockstar6111 Neither, there is no need to open up an image tube. I consists of 3 basic components.
I think there are videos online of people opening up non-functioning tubes, but its not really something thats meant to be opened. Opening it would break the vacuum seal.
What is that a friggin pvs7? - carl brutananadilewski
"I don't care if it's useful as long as it looks cool"
So anyway I've got a pvs-7 omni vii on the way and I am so excited. Also great video, I like how you delivered the bit while making the performance seem sincere, even though this is clearly a sarcastic video making fun of people who take this stuff to seriously and act like eliteists.
Wow just wow
Fr. I cant believe this video is still up- that ratio must be insane.
Can I contact you for buying advice?
My current night vision setup is a flashlight taped to a hardhat
Depending on the light, it’s probably better than a PVS-7
@@atacorion HAHAHA
The PVS-7 is absolutely fine for the price. dollar for dollar you'll get more from a 1500$ PVS-7 than you will from a 2500$ PVS-14. edit: everything in the NV world is just 300$ more. no matter how many times you save an extra 300$, theres always some asshole telling you to jus save 300$ more and get X.
IF you only use it a few times a year, this is a true statement, if you use NV often, this could not be further from the truth.
@@atacorion how many hours is often?
most people use their NV less than 20 hours a year@@Wabaanimkii
What a sign off at the end
Ok I listened to your opinion. Civil war? Ive got a one word description for you and it starts with D!
Gen 2 14 or a gen 3 7?
Neither. Save an extra $150 bucks for a Gen3 -14
@@atacorion I’ll be on the look out for a $1400 PVS-14, thanks. All jokes aside do you think it would be better to assemble a PVS-14 from a parts kit or just buy a complete one?
My man just spent 3 minutes and 29 seconds roasting the entire PVS-7 community 😂
I disagree but this was hilarious
Howdy. Glad to see a new video. Like your content a ton.
I don't care nods are nods my guy if it has gen 3 image intensifier tube in it I'm good I'm gonna run that pvs7 I have until it breaks, I bought my military surplus PVS with gen 3+ green phosphor milspec image intensifier tube in it for $975 bucks shipped so too me it's cheap unit I didn't pay what everyone else is paying
Spoken exactly like somebody who doesn't run their NODs.
This makes me want to buy a cheap 7 for giggling around when my buddies and I get together. Wonder how cheap I can find a pasgt and an interceptor vest.
Check the Salvation Army store
@@atacorion Why do I get the feeling I'll ACTUALLY find an interceptor and a pasgt there?
Before the pandemic there were people selling PVS-7 with a blemished tube for 1k. I got a couple buddies who were on a real budget to get those and it is serving them well. Right now though the prices are ridiculous. They are going used for the same price as a new 14, so it definitely doesn't make sense to buy a 7 anymore.
I have no issues walking,running, and driving
However I did eat a latter while climbing into. tree stand under 7s once(under questionable circumstances😂)
Ps-had it since I was 16 and I intend to run it till one of us dies
tell this to the people who can barely afford a 1500 dollar pvs7
Those aren’t people
Why did you take down all your vids!!! i was wondering if cared to do a quick video about shading???
They’ll be back in a refined form on a different site
Give me what you have!
Always enjoy your videos Sam!!
Bought a replica because it looks pretty damn cool.
But the only thing that matches my Ozzy Osborn mixtape is PVS7
Ozzy is timeless, -7’s aren’t
Brainless greed guy who betrays his customers.
lol wut. I don’t sell NV
My pvs-7 units work great
I got a great idea let’s throw everything nightvison related in the trash and only use white lights since we all know in this guy does not think affordable is a concern
Sounds like you missed the point entirely and lack critical thinking, I know this because you’re white knighting for the PVS-7
@ think your missing the point 8k vs 2k gen 3 pvs 2 exist who can afford to spend 8k in this economy
Maybe I just want to larp like I'm looking for WMDs again! Leave my gorbage alone!
I'm a kidney donation away from getting the kommando QTNVGs!
thanks for this video, pvs7 fascinates me a lot but I didn't think it could give all these problems. I will definitely choose another night vision device.
The 7 isn't terrible, practically speaking I don't think you will be bad off if you can find a gen 3 7 for $1,500k or less, which are out there, you just have to scour the net daily for about a month or two. One of the best "proving grounds" that are accessible to a civilian are milsim events. Lots of people still using 7 and they can still regularly spot and take out dual tube users. The 7 is just not a good purchase if you plan to buy one device to be the end all be all. The 14 is nice because it is kind of modular as you can buy one now, and buy another later to have duals which you can split with a buddy if necessary. A lot of 7s are overpriced and so comparing a $2,500 7 that you might find on optics planet doesn't make a whole lot of sense when Ebay 14s are $2k, and TNVC sells really great ones for 3K.
If you aren't planning to actually fight IRL with them (like you aren't making a decision for a rapid response LE group like SWAT or something), go for the 7 if you like the charm of it. If in some wild emergency you end up needing to seriously use your 7, you aren't going to be that far behind anyone else. Just having any gen 3 NVD setup is like 90% of the advantage. The rest comes down to training, your tactical knowledge, and the strategy applied to the situation.
A game example is a milsim event I took my friend to last year involved him staying behind with other people who didn't have night vision to hold our campground while I and other users went off to hunt other players. The opposition night vision team pimped out with dual tubes came to wipe him out, but rather than splitting their team into two elements, they approached from a single direction and just assumed they were in shadows, and so my friend who only had a flashlight was able to see them coming and mowed them all down before they could react. Night vision is a major advantage, but like anything, the returns on investment taper off past a certain point, and it won't guarantee success in your endeavors just because you buy what everyone else has. So don't think just because you have a 7 that you have a game breaking disadvantage. It's workable, it's just not the best bang for your buck if you can afford better and care only about pragmatics, not just fun.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj thank you for your answer, well i must say i talked to other nvg owners and they recommended the pvs7 to me, i also tried a binocular and honestly the only difference i noticed it was the perception of depth, unfortunately for me that I live in Italy it is almost impossible to find a pvs7 in good condition for so little, third generation binoculars cost a lot and I don't like monoculars, so even after trying a biocular like the pvs7 I definitely decided to re-evaluate it and buy one and then mount it on norotos facemask.Unfortunately my team plays very little at night but I want it out of pure nvg passion and I will use it at night for walks in the mountains and countryside.
This old man is tripping, 2019 I saw nato dudes in Iraq wearing them
And believe you me, they sure as fuck didn’t want them.
Perfect video. Straight to the point.
Get some.
Mr Know it all probably doesn't have many friends. 😂
Sick burn bruh
2 dislikes are from pvs-7a users