Quick little explanation for some stuff about the matrix I am well aware the scans I used from the matrix aren’t from G1 but the main point I was getting that is that the essence of primus itself has soul destruction abilities, so as long as the matrix’s source doesn’t change the argument still applies Primus just IS stated to exist as cybetron across all the universes and considering that the matrix 99% comes form Primus odds are it does (the matrix in G1 also doesn’t have a direct origin given so it being from him is fine) Quick explanation for anyone wondering
The idea of Primus existing in every continuity was ejected from continuity after the Star Saber split up the concept of singularities, and whilst Primus does exist in iterations of G1, in the original continuity proper, there is no such God, as Galvatron itself was made by Primacron rather than having any primordial ties, suggesting the Matrix has nothing to do with Primus, either, who seemingly does not exist therein. The Matrix did not even destroy Unicron or his soul, his severed head was still in tact and he was able to empower Starscream to try and revitalize him.
@@Arcadia_warlic can you send like an Imgur link to that scan Also Galvatron was made by unicron not primacron you are thinking of UNICRON also just because some avatar of unicron wasn’t made by primus doesn’t mean primus himself doesn’t exist in G1 Also the matrix doesn’t have to always erase what it attacks it’s a very case by case basis and it has a lot of different uses just because it didn’t do it there doesn’t mean it cant do it at all especially since the intended use of the matrix in that instance was to fry unicrons insides which makes sense as completely obliterating him might not be wise due to several other autobots still being inside him
@@Arcadia_warlic actually ik the star saber thing you are talking about you are waffling while the star saber did strengthen the bond between dimensional walls consistent that cybertron still remains I think it’s safe to say it didn’t affect primus at all
@@mrperfectcell5079 Yes, Unicron was made by Primacron, and it is not stated to be an avatar in any primary material in relation to the original cartoon continuity, which in turn suggests there is no Primus counterpart, either (nothing says he exists outside of concepts from other continuities which would not longer apply after the Star Saber split them up). Has it ever erased in the original G1 continuity? It did not erase the hate plague, it cured by dispersing its wisdom throughout the universe.
LOL I could actually see Starscream doing that, if he couldnt be leader of the decepticons he could very well at least attempt to be emperor of the universe!
Megatron: PTHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH you are beneath the notice of starscream Starscream: hey! Megatron: shut up starscream Starscream: that is why our marriage council said it isn't gonna work
Trusting G1 transformers to have consistent scales of power or speed even from scene to scene is utterly foolish. The writers did not ask "how fast would it take X to travel.". They moved at the speed of plot to sell toys
I freaking love the visual of regular Cybertronian soldiers taking out the Frieza Force easily, even the elites, then they’ll get massive damage from the big guy himself stepping in. Realizing how fast they are, Frieza would just go Full Power and wipe out hundreds of Cybertronians in a fit of rage. Then I can see many others teaming up to distract and wear him down, kind of like pack hunting. Then when the big boss is distracted, bam, Matrix of Leadership. I imagine Cybertron still face a lot of casualties just due to how absurdly strong Full Power Frieza is, but as you said, they would emerge victorious by the end. Its a fitting end, really.
Good job man. I feel like in most db matchups it’s either glaringly obvious who’s gonna win, or db loses due to suspect scaling, but you did a really good job of convincing me that they could beat friezas ass.
It should also be noted that the Japanese versions of the G1 cast also seem to scale higher, adding higher feats and adding extra characters and tech which are just outright stronger than the ones in the US continuity.
@@Donniestopmotions yet the explosion didn’t even reach nearby solar systems also considering that the g1 cast can travel outside the galaxy in a few minutes then leaving the solar system should be nothing to then
@mrperfectcell5079 It wasn't really directed at you, but I kinda only support powerscaling based on what's been directly seen of and done by a character within their own media or based on what's been said by the media's creator. Not so much totally random dudes on message boards saying this guy is this strong because it takes X million megajoules to blow up a star, or this guy is hundreds of millions of times FTL. You know what I mean? Now it would be super interesting if actual physicists who consider so many different factors and could explain how and where they got those conclusions from, came forward, and made a powerscaling thread.
@@kcato5879 but the thing is that these calcs are based off of things that they have done within their own media Also calcs most of the time do actually show how they got their conclusions, often citing sources for their information, so their science should be accurate
If we're talking about speed, Yamcha during the first arc of Original DragonBall dodged a beam from Chi-Chi, which is described as a beam of light in the Daizenshuu... Litteraly FTL scaling since the first arcs
Also interesting to note that in the G1 comics Cybertron was in the nearby Alpha Centauri system and only the three Deepticon triple-changers are seen spanning the distance unaided over what could have been months.
@@viniciuspereira7701 If this is just G1 Megatron FROM THE CARTOON SPECIFICALLY (G1 Transformers have appeared in other forms of media than just the cartoon) then Frieza wins ye but I think Megs wins in general so 😛
Moving at high speeds and maneuvering at high speeds are two different things, Starscream's combat speed is likely still a fraction of his travel speed.
You never know using the matrix of leadership Optimus prime could’ve found out that this wasn’t the first time that someone from freiza’s race has set their sights on Cybertron like chilled
The g1 show didn't stay consistent within it's own episodes at time with major contradictions in power. Comparing a show with diluted toon force vs something that tried to have serious fight scaling isn't really fair.
By proxy, the scouters would be utterly worthless since these are machines, not organic life. They have an equivelant that just can't be picked up by technology made by a caste system based solely on numbers (the activation of any cybertronian relic would simply overload them). To completely overtake cybertron, he'd also have to deal with Megatron's forces if we're strictly going G1. That's a LOT of seeker jets (approx. the same amount of cui recolors, this will be logistically a problem for the tyrant). Likewise, his elites will also have to deal with Soundwave, his microcassets, Starscream, and Shockwave. Megatron's top brass since the Autobots will simply be outgunned by these massive armies.
The biggest threats to Cybertron will be Death Ball and Body Change. The latter will especially be deadly if Ginyu gets ahold of the Fusion Cannon and Frieza's Death Ball is known to obliterate entire planets. This will be another tuesday for Megatron.
Freeza is multisolarsystem level,not star level. Freeza is tanked a freeking nemek blast which is multisolarsystem level.Even in manga it burst like a gamma ray burst. Also nemek is stated to be literally another side of the universe.Makes it freeza trillions if not quadrillions of times ftl.
@@mrperfectcell5079similar to how ssg goku wasnt destroying earth even though it destroying universe. Watch video solar system power of nemek"kristan kember".He did all the calculation also explain all the reasons why it didnt destroy the earth.Also nemek is on a other side of the universe.Which makes it trillions quadrillions of times ftl not millions.
@@om9959 but the reason behind the multi solar meta is that the explosion can be seen from the galaxy but that gets contradicted because it didn’t even reach nearby planets There is a direct reason as to why it didn’t destroy earth and that was that the shockwaves were getting stronger as time went on Also why should I trust Kristan kember no district to him but he REALLY highballs calcs and most people usually don’t agree with his methods they are just o much higher than his they are called normally Also what suggests that namek is on the other side of the universe
@@mrperfectcell5079in the manga theres no statement like that not counting even in anime ,punches itself were enough for being universal,piccolo practically stated hitting each with force to destroy the universe . if a explosion being bright enough to practically seen outside galaxy then it bare minimum multi solar system level. Whats so wrong with calcs,what is he highball,he practically done pikcel scaling,how fast explosion travelled which is should be valid.the nearby planets arent so near as you say.As matter of fact,official kai ,you clearly see a empty hole in sky after explosion which is shown in video.Thats why i recommeded it.
@@om9959 well idc about the dbs manga I’m not using it. Also something bring bright enough to be seen from a galaxy is not that impressive there have been calcs of it it’s like large planet level to light up a galaxy, the explosion itself didn’t even reach nearby planets I am aware of how he calcs things the same issue is that his calcs are usually super higher me and not consistent with other calcs of the same feat that’s why I don’t like to use them. Also I don’t think nameks explosion destroyed any stars that might just be an empty pocket of space cus once again it can’t even destroy nearby planets
[See end for TLDR] I hear the exact same bad arguments for why flight speed = combat speed. Literally just think about the real life equivalent... Who's faster, Usain Bolt or Mike Tyson? Running it's of course Bolt but we all know Tyson had hands of lighting In all forms of competition, including real life fighting, there is something called a "mental stack" which slows down reactions. The mental stack of flying in a straight line and just focusing on avoiding stuff is WAAAAAY less than Fighting faster than lightspeed Dodging lasers is just a trope so unless characters are EXPLICITLY stated as being ludicrously fast then we cant just throw that label on them. Thats head canon TLDR: Fact of the matter is, if regular civilians can see your fight, then your combat speed aint even faster than sound. Period.
@@jdrmanmusiqking you forget that i specifically said why this would apply to their combat speeds. Astrotrain can keep track of and tag cosmos who rivals him in terms of travel speed. If their reaction and combat speeds did not scale at all then that whole scene wouldn’t make sense Also you fail to realize that these are ROBOTS why would he say this “mental stack” applies to them and why would we also say that it slows them down by literally billions of times because that’s what we would have to say for them to not be light speed I shower their lasers being that fast via outspending Astrotrain I don’t need a direct statement to say they are that fast. That’s a fallacy Prove regular civilians could see cybetronians fight. Also do note that regular humans in this show can somehow move boulders so you can’t act like they are the same as real life humans
@@mrperfectcell5079 Like i said in my TLDR, if regular people can see them fight, THEN THEY ARENT EVEN SUPERSONIC Dodging lasers is just a trope so that there can be action without consequences just like action heroes dodging a hail of bullets and coming out unscathed
I put anime Namek Saga Frieza at Solar System to Galaxy level. Since it was showed that the explosion engulfed a entire Galaxy and it even showed the result of the explosion, and it was just a void of empty space. him with no energy and half dead survived Namek explosion, and it wasnt even Frieza 100% that destroyed Namek.
Frieza: *What? Where am I?* Unicron: _I have summoned you here for a purpose._ Frieza: *NO ONE SUMMONS LORD FRIEZA!* Unicron: _Then it pleases me to be the first._ Frieza: *Nuts to that!* **charges up a Death Ball** Unicron: _oh no..._
So basically dbz frieza loses autobots and decepticons but dbs frieza honestly one shots( and I’m not even kidding ). This match up had caught my attention and is very unique compared to other match ups. Great video 👍
Depends of what version of Frieza and the transformers. Well go with IDW, Cybertron trilogy and G1 Namek Saga is screwed ISW Megs and Prime are around universe level SOOOOOO. Namek Frieza vs cybertron Megs and Prime is interesting as their around the same level of strength
i am Positive that i commented here before, my comment IS gone so i'll say it again. In the Bayverse the Transformers got like Blackhole cannons and Mind flayer stuff, and im sure they could have a weapon that turns the target against himself completely, SOOOOO if they got Frieza with it, Frieza could possibly somehow skin himself with Ki, something like what happened to a certain "Foul Mouthed Spicy man" Recently. also, who is to say they cant catch Frieza with that one gun from Bumblebee that just popped the dude like a Bubble?
@@mrperfectcell5079 it was deleted just buried way down and i didnt notice. I know g1 im just talking about the bayverse cuz i think they would stand a chance
i mean, the bayverse transformers apparently got like Blackhole cannons a bunch of other freaky horror stuff, i dont doubt they can skin Frieza by just overwriting his brain to make him skin himself by using his telekinesis similar to what happened to a certain "Foul Mouthed" spice man in the new "Corpsepond and Furryguy"
I'd like to see what dragon ball scaled down would be like. What if the fastest person was light speed? How fast would the lower tier fighters be? Light speed is really big, so I'd think there's plenty of room for a sub-FTL universe.
Now i want starscream in dragon ball,how much of a pain he can be with his haxes? Possessing the androids, stealing the time machine, going after the dragon balls Just how much chaos he can cause before someone stops him?
I am very surprised by the power of the Transformers! Your point about them having vast reserves of inorganic power reminds me of the Androids, who are organic and inorganic life at the same time and have a special power source, much like the Cybertronians. We know that the Androids would have thrashed Frieza, and by the looks of it the Transformers are about as powerful. However, I think you may have made some erroneous assumptions regarding the blaster speed scaling due to the fact that the Transformers flying through space may not have been going at full speed when being shot at due to the asteroid field they were travelling through. Also I liked the editing you did where Frieza shot a death beam and it cut to a Transformer getting shot. Clever.
As a G1 fan I'm iffy on the speed thing. While Starscream, Astrotrain and others do manage insane speed feats the claim that they do those speed all the time is a MASSIVE assumption. Anyone who understands how moving and fighting works would tell you they wouldn't be maintaining those speeds while trying to turn. This would be like doing a Star Wars vs Star Trek comparison and assuming because one ship or the other has a higher FTL speed that it can just run rings around the other.
@@GeoRyukaiser the issue is that friction doesn’t exist in space so I don’t see why he would move slower when turning. Also even if he was moving slower I doubt it would be like 1000x slower Also I don’t see why that wouldn’t be the case if the one ship is faster
@@mrperfectcell5079 Friction might not, but momentum does. It takes an equal amount of thrust to stop in space as it did to reach that speed in the first place. As turning in space usually requires either burning a lot of energy, or gravity slings around planets or moon... or slowing down so you burn less energy to make the move. Like with Astrotrain chasing the Autobot through the asteroid thicket, neither is using their FTL speeds since that's just asking to take an asteroid to the face. Same goes for the ship example, FTL speeds do not directly translate to combat effective speed. A Star Destroyer, for instance, technically has a faster FTL speed then the Enterprise D (the Enterprise D does have feats where its faster but those are all anomalies caused by the mcguffin of the week)... but the Enterprise D is a much faster ship in combat.
@@GeoRyukaiser turning would just require you to thrust in the right direction it wouldn’t slow you down at all. It’s not like he’s turning in the opposite direction here it’s still headcanon to say that he’s somehow thousands of times slower just because he turned a little (even though for most of the scene he’s going in a relatively straight path) also again no friction in space so he shouldn’t be slowing down from slightly changing his direction They just don’t ever slow down from turning even on screen so i don’t see what you are getting at here Also cosmos and Astrotrain aren’t even thrusting to turn on screen so all of your logic goes out the window Go ahead and prove Astrotrain would get 1000x slower cus he slightly turned (which didn’t even affect his speed at all visibly on screen he’s still moving just as fast) This just seems like a really dishonest attempt to debunk the feat Your entire example is bad. Ships do not have combat speeds. They don’t have arms or legs to punch to with. They go into a direction to get to their destination that’s it. So I have no idea what you are talking about
@@mrperfectcell5079 It'd suggest at least looking up some physics on science youtube, or play a space game with newtonian physics, since you don't seem to understand that friction not being at play doesn't mean altering course doesn't mean you dont change speed. Even the act of pushing sideways, while maintaining the same heading, alters the energy of an object in motion, which alters the momentum/speed. I fully admit to not fully understanding how it works, but I do get the basics. Astrotrain not visibly changing speed actually makes more sense if he's going slow for two important reasons; 1) if he's going slower then his moving to avoid asteroids is both faster and requires less energy to be burnt (the energy needed to move his mass increases the faster he's going, to the point you would need enough energy to power Megatron's fusion cannon for a whole battle just to move Astrotrain one meter to the side at top speed). 2) The amount of time spent in the thicket, if he was moving at top speed then he'd have cleared the entire thicket in less then a second. Your inability to understand my example is baffling. Arms and legs? TF are you talking about? No, they don't just 'go in a direction to a destination and thats it.' They have an FTL speed, and an effective speed while not travelling at FTL in which they can do tactical maneuvers around other ships when in combat. Even when applying real world physics. Thats because the faster you are moving the more energy and thrust required to change directions, or even more slightly to the side.
@@GeoRyukaiser I am saying it would significantly effect speed if he’s making a sharp turn or turning around. I am fully aware of what you are trying to say it just doesn’t apply here Him going slow makes absolutely no sense. He is chasing down cosmos to gain valuable information and if there’s an asteroid in his way he can just blast it to pieces like he did in this exact scene. Not to mention that the same issue you made arises if he was going slow he still should have slowed down when turning. Yet he doesn’t nor does any Ariel autobot or deception whenever they turn. also that fusion canon thing is headcanon you do not know how much energy it takes Also if they were slowing down that much then why didn’t cosmos just get out of the asteroid and zoom off at MFTL speeds or why did Astrotrain imply he was using a lot of effort to catch him if he was moving at such slow speeds like your logic has way too many holes Also you fail to realize that when we watch shows often times the viewers perspective is slowed down or speed up so we can perceive something. For example any time a laser is fired in fiction or during the tournament of power on dbs. Light is too fast for humans to perceive and a 24 minute episode somehow correlated to 1 minute passing in the TOP You mentioned that ships somehow have combat speed. Combat speed is the speed you have when attacking something. I do not see how ships could have combat speed UNLESS you are talking about their firearms which just wouldn’t apply here Also I think it’s complete headcanon to say ships have an ftl speed and effective speed like where are you pulling that out from? Also even if what you’re saying is true that’s not due to the ship having a “combat speed” that’s due to the pilot not being able to perceive the ships top speed. But we are taking about a sentient ship I do not think you can apply that logic here
robots surviving strong energy & taking damage from animal attacks could be explained by energy control in some way, hinting that a punch might be more effective then energy attacks.
I’m not disagreeing, but it always seems to be speed that is obnoxious levels of outlier compared to all of the other stats in shows and always because somebody flew across the universe or something, or scaled to some other object flying. Usually to the point where it seems like if you can go that fast, you should be able to destroy a lot more and there was a lot worth examples than the deacons Like we’re talking possibly city block level people being 1000 timeslight speed
How far would Mori Jin and Satan during what I think it was the Ragnarok arc he had the power where he battled with Satan who made 2 quintillion perfect clones would stack up against the various arcs of the Dragon Ball Z era and movie villains? Seriously fighting 2 quintillion perfect clones of a powerful character has got to scale up there in the near galaxy tiers. I doubt the low forms of Majin Buu can fight such intense numbers. There's too many of them to fight. It's astronomically far far worse then fighting Naruto clones because it's not thousands and they are not too different from the true user.
@@mrperfectcell5079 I recommend checking out The God of Highschool series sometime. It is originally from South Korea and it is quite a powerful verse and it has been around since 2011. The power cliffing of this verse becomes astronomical by the end and I don't think there is any series that goes full out where a villain copies a protagonist ability and literally uses it to make quintillions of copies all nearly as strong as him. That is a mind numbing number that the vast majority of manga shounen characters wouldn't stand a chance against fighting such a army. And they get more powerful after the Ragnarok arc where by the end Mori Jin pretty much a acasuality multiversal character able to change timelines if he wanted. Now that's probably good in the 5D range. But Ragnarok era alone should already be strong enough to annihilate Cell in a fight.
If you have just starscream alone from Galaxy force, he alone would brutalise a majority of the characters or DBZ and DBS. That is without mentioning Convoy or Master Megatron at their full power.
The manga is massively nerfed compared to the anime. Thats why people like you only want the manga, because otherwise you know its an effortless stomp on DBZ's side xD
@@kongzillatoho4558 Not really, it's cuz i care about substance not overwhelming power not to talk about that even the Anime fails to convey it's augmented levels of strengths as they keep the Anti Feats of the Manga,i mean i don't even like Transformers i am a DBZ Fan.
Dragon Ball stat increases are non-linear compared to their stats. A human with the PL of 5 is as fast as an ordinary human, but a human with the PL of ~1000 might be relativistic to FTL. Humans aren't merely 200 times slower than the speed of light. Speed increases are far more drastic the higher up the PL chain you go. If the non-linear speed difference is this massive in the interval between 1000 and 5, imagine that it's like comparing 1000 to 120 000 000. Even though I doubt Frieza's chances of taking over Cybertron as his Namek Saga version, there's no way the Frieza Army gets as blitzed as depicted in this video. Especially if you take into consideration anime-only filler speed feats like King Kai being unable to keep up with Goku VS Frieza fight despite being perfectly able of tracking a spaceship traveling to a whole different corner of the universe (if you take into consideration the map of U7 in the expanded material)
That episode with Vegeta blowing a planet with two fingers is a non-canon filler anime only episode so I can't help but doubt if not deny it's credibility to this scaling though I agree with Frieza winning
@@kongzillatoho4558 OK I didn't know that also I agree the that Frieza wins with ease also should have put my agreement in the comment thanks for pointing that out
Frieza by the time has literall solar system to multi solarsystem level of power as the explosion of namek was seen from outside the galaxy and he survived while being almost dead lol yeah he bodies and thats nost even mentioning the universal arguments which are high ends
@@JadoBouhzam the problem I have with the namek galaxy thing is that the explosion is portrayed differently a lot. In some shots it doesn’t even destroy nearby planets so I am hesitant to use that feat especially since that galaxy shot could just be it zooming in on the eplosion
@mrperfectcell5079 I mean freaza litrally survived a universal spirit bomb from goku as some guides states goku was getting energy from the universe and with a lot of universal statements for frieza he should be at that level aswell it all depends on how u interpret it also it in no way implies it would be zooming as the animators would want to show the full scale of the explosion as a way to make u think goku couldnt survive that as z fighters thought he died during it but he escaped namek before that
@@JadoBouhzam the issue is that the statements never actually say he gathered all that energy as they say “gather the chi of the universe” or “planets of the universe” you can just argue that maybe it’s supposed to be taken literally and is just meant to show they goku was getting energy from throughout the universe than literally every part of it You are arguing authors intent which is kind of impossible you literally cannot prove what the writers had in mind with that galaxy shot maybe the light of explosion could be visible or maybe it was just zooming in regardless that depiction gets contradicted by it not even destroying nearby planets so it’s a very iffy feat either way
Quick little explanation for some stuff about the matrix
I am well aware the scans I used from the matrix aren’t from G1 but the main point I was getting that is that the essence of primus itself has soul destruction abilities, so as long as the matrix’s source doesn’t change the argument still applies
Primus just IS stated to exist as cybetron across all the universes and considering that the matrix 99% comes form Primus odds are it does (the matrix in G1 also doesn’t have a direct origin given so it being from him is fine)
Quick explanation for anyone wondering
The idea of Primus existing in every continuity was ejected from continuity after the Star Saber split up the concept of singularities, and whilst Primus does exist in iterations of G1, in the original continuity proper, there is no such God, as Galvatron itself was made by Primacron rather than having any primordial ties, suggesting the Matrix has nothing to do with Primus, either, who seemingly does not exist therein.
The Matrix did not even destroy Unicron or his soul, his severed head was still in tact and he was able to empower Starscream to try and revitalize him.
@@Arcadia_warlic can you send like an Imgur link to that scan
Also Galvatron was made by unicron not primacron you are thinking of UNICRON also just because some avatar of unicron wasn’t made by primus doesn’t mean primus himself doesn’t exist in G1
Also the matrix doesn’t have to always erase what it attacks it’s a very case by case basis and it has a lot of different uses just because it didn’t do it there doesn’t mean it cant do it at all especially since the intended use of the matrix in that instance was to fry unicrons insides which makes sense as completely obliterating him might not be wise due to several other autobots still being inside him
GREAT 👌 TRANSFORMER VS DRAGON BALL Z FRIEZA FORCES VS TRANSFORMER CREW,
@@Arcadia_warlic actually ik the star saber thing you are talking about you are waffling while the star saber did strengthen the bond between dimensional walls consistent that cybertron still remains I think it’s safe to say it didn’t affect primus at all
@@mrperfectcell5079 Yes, Unicron was made by Primacron, and it is not stated to be an avatar in any primary material in relation to the original cartoon continuity, which in turn suggests there is no Primus counterpart, either (nothing says he exists outside of concepts from other continuities which would not longer apply after the Star Saber split them up).
Has it ever erased in the original G1 continuity? It did not erase the hate plague, it cured by dispersing its wisdom throughout the universe.
Megatron watching Frieza's spaceship coming to Cybertron: Aw, shit. Here we go again.
Lol
Death battle reference?
@@Demoniccandidate YUP
@@Demoniccandidate Of course. Deceptive tyrants never choose to make amends.
He needs the Galvatron upgrade again.
Starscream after Goku beats up Frieza: Frieza has fallen! I am now, LEADER!
LOL I could actually see Starscream doing that, if he couldnt be leader of the decepticons he could very well at least attempt to be emperor of the universe!
I think that he would be actually respected by the Freeza force
@@zerotohero884 Starscream is basically the Transformers equivalent to Vegeta.
Starscream: first order as leader WE CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS!!!
No one:
Frieza: Filthy OverGrown Machines
Tin cans
I can see their racial exchanges tho.
Megatron seeing Frieza be like "Organic Scum!"
Can openers
Toasters
Megatron: Said the little over glorified gecko.
Frieza was lucky enough that this was purely the G1 show Cybertronians and NOT the comics
Also lucky it isn't some amalgamation of the anime trilogy and other versions given the insane feats some characters do in other shows and comics.
Or even the Japanese G1 stuff
@@hattoripool1533 Frieza would start sweating if he heard the Transformers Victory theme getting steadily louder... in space
@@hattoripool1533 actually Japan somehow sees all continuations as one don't ask me how cause I have no idea
@@wanderingaceminecraftandmo8034 you mean IN SPAAAAAAAAACCCCEEEE
(Note you need to say space like that for epicness)
Your brain: 🥚
Your brain while powerscaling: 🍳
What do you mean? Sure, I see some pretty common things people say but- oh... oh no. Oh no no no no no no /Mike Stoklasa
Any questions?
@@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate Yes, SEVERAL!
“Greetings noble warrior of Planet Cyber…. Whatever. I, Lord Frieza, claim this world as my own. Cheer for me or face annihilation.”
Megatron: oh please an organic gonna destroy my planet that's a good joke
Frieza: I shall rule this planet with an iron fist!
Megatron: Rule? This is bad comedy!
“A shame. It seems only one of us here has true fists of iron HEHEHAHAHAHAAAA!”
Megatron: PTHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH you are beneath the notice of starscream
Starscream: hey!
Megatron: shut up starscream
Starscream: that is why our marriage council said it isn't gonna work
Trusting G1 transformers to have consistent scales of power or speed even from scene to scene is utterly foolish. The writers did not ask "how fast would it take X to travel.". They moved at the speed of plot to sell toys
So they can pull up a power out of their engines to beat frieza or SOUNDWAVE just use a transmission of dBe into frieza's head
I freaking love the visual of regular Cybertronian soldiers taking out the Frieza Force easily, even the elites, then they’ll get massive damage from the big guy himself stepping in. Realizing how fast they are, Frieza would just go Full Power and wipe out hundreds of Cybertronians in a fit of rage. Then I can see many others teaming up to distract and wear him down, kind of like pack hunting. Then when the big boss is distracted, bam, Matrix of Leadership.
I imagine Cybertron still face a lot of casualties just due to how absurdly strong Full Power Frieza is, but as you said, they would emerge victorious by the end. Its a fitting end, really.
Good job man. I feel like in most db matchups it’s either glaringly obvious who’s gonna win, or db loses due to suspect scaling, but you did a really good job of convincing me that they could beat friezas ass.
*reads title*
Yes
*leaves video*
Perfect summary lol 👏
Perfect representation of how ignorance ferments
@protalghulnist4126 Thanks. I'm gonna like this comment. Got a chuckle out of me 😁
No cause already the weakest cybetronian are planetary and we haven't even touched on comics
The idea of wheelie beating some frieza force characters is funny😂
Good thing you went Freiza Saga, otherwise it'd just be a curbstomp like in Death Battle.
Black Frieza vs IDW would be 50/50. Stuff in those comics gets crazy.
It should also be noted that the Japanese versions of the G1 cast also seem to scale higher, adding higher feats and adding extra characters and tech which are just outright stronger than the ones in the US continuity.
I doubt the speed thing. Maybe in a straight line or something. But I think that’s just an example of cartoon logic
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transform's to full power, lifts finger, blows up Cybertron and by radius kills every Cybertronian. So yeah he can't conquer it, so he won't...
@@Donniestopmotions tbf anyone who can fly can just outrun the explosion
@@mrperfectcell5079 nah bro Nameks explosion was seen from outside the solar system remember no one is escaping
@@Donniestopmotions yet the explosion didn’t even reach nearby solar systems also considering that the g1 cast can travel outside the galaxy in a few minutes then leaving the solar system should be nothing to then
Unicorn smokes Frieza
The problem is that Frieza would kill Primus which would allow Unicron to devour the multiverse. So if Unicron doesn't get him. Zen-O WILL.
Cant help but laugh every time I see a powerscaler come up with these bizzare calculations and insane reaches like they're physicists
@@kcato5879 are you one of those anti powerscalers?
@mrperfectcell5079 It wasn't really directed at you, but I kinda only support powerscaling based on what's been directly seen of and done by a character within their own media or based on what's been said by the media's creator. Not so much totally random dudes on message boards saying this guy is this strong because it takes X million megajoules to blow up a star, or this guy is hundreds of millions of times FTL. You know what I mean? Now it would be super interesting if actual physicists who consider so many different factors and could explain how and where they got those conclusions from, came forward, and made a powerscaling thread.
@@kcato5879 but the thing is that these calcs are based off of things that they have done within their own media
Also calcs most of the time do actually show how they got their conclusions, often citing sources for their information, so their science should be accurate
@@mrperfectcell5079 Fair enough then
If we're talking about speed,
Yamcha during the first arc of Original DragonBall dodged a beam from Chi-Chi, which is described as a beam of light in the Daizenshuu...
Litteraly FTL scaling since the first arcs
Frieza would melt any competition from Cybertron, there is no competition for him what so ever.
Optimus prime solos him
nope@@Meepie_Playz
@@minecraftlord189 IDW Optimus has literally beaten Cthulhu before. He is straight up outerversal.
@spriggylotus4476 optimus prime beat my mom he's a woman beater so he automatically loses
@@minecraftlord189 based Optimus, "the Hammers of Justice are unisex".
Also interesting to note that in the G1 comics Cybertron was in the nearby Alpha Centauri system and only the three Deepticon triple-changers are seen spanning the distance unaided over what could have been months.
This was a great late night watch my guy, thank you for this.
But what if Freeza did 5 sit ups before going?
Well we could ask What if Primus woke up
Wait till this dude compares the Frieza Force to everyone in Transformers Cybertron lol
Starscream getting swarm by alligators are just for joke scenes
Loving the Transformers content every time You drop a video on this series!
Na Megatron is conquering the Frieza empire.
True
Facts
Do megatron extract Power from a higher dimension,while not even being at a fraction If his true Power?????
@@viniciuspereira7701 huh?
@@viniciuspereira7701 If this is just G1 Megatron FROM THE CARTOON SPECIFICALLY (G1 Transformers have appeared in other forms of media than just the cartoon) then Frieza wins ye but I think Megs wins in general so 😛
Bringing up the Matrix gets even worse for Frieza when you take in the account of Unicron having been a singularity at the time
The Cybertron soundtrack is too powerful I’m telling you!
Moving at high speeds and maneuvering at high speeds are two different things, Starscream's combat speed is likely still a fraction of his travel speed.
You could never be implying that if I try making a 90 degree turn while I'm driving at 100 mph, it wouldn't end well for me... right?
You never know using the matrix of leadership Optimus prime could’ve found out that this wasn’t the first time that someone from freiza’s race has set their sights on Cybertron like chilled
The g1 show didn't stay consistent within it's own episodes at time with major contradictions in power. Comparing a show with diluted toon force vs something that tried to have serious fight scaling isn't really fair.
By proxy, the scouters would be utterly worthless since these are machines, not organic life. They have an equivelant that just can't be picked up by technology made by a caste system based solely on numbers (the activation of any cybertronian relic would simply overload them). To completely overtake cybertron, he'd also have to deal with Megatron's forces if we're strictly going G1. That's a LOT of seeker jets (approx. the same amount of cui recolors, this will be logistically a problem for the tyrant). Likewise, his elites will also have to deal with Soundwave, his microcassets, Starscream, and Shockwave. Megatron's top brass since the Autobots will simply be outgunned by these massive armies.
The biggest threats to Cybertron will be Death Ball and Body Change. The latter will especially be deadly if Ginyu gets ahold of the Fusion Cannon and Frieza's Death Ball is known to obliterate entire planets. This will be another tuesday for Megatron.
Remember, in the original anime planet namek exploding possibly wiped out its galaxy as king kai stated "there was nothing but a void left in space"
Freeza is multisolarsystem level,not star level.
Freeza is tanked a freeking nemek blast which is multisolarsystem level.Even in manga it burst like a gamma ray burst.
Also nemek is stated to be literally another side of the universe.Makes it freeza trillions if not quadrillions of times ftl.
@@om9959 of its multi solar system level why did it not even destroy the nearby planets
@@mrperfectcell5079similar to how ssg goku wasnt destroying earth even though it destroying universe. Watch video solar system power of nemek"kristan kember".He did all the calculation also explain all the reasons why it didnt destroy the earth.Also nemek is on a other side of the universe.Which makes it trillions quadrillions of times ftl not millions.
@@om9959 but the reason behind the multi solar meta is that the explosion can be seen from the galaxy but that gets contradicted because it didn’t even reach nearby planets
There is a direct reason as to why it didn’t destroy earth and that was that the shockwaves were getting stronger as time went on
Also why should I trust Kristan kember no district to him but he REALLY highballs calcs and most people usually don’t agree with his methods they are just o much higher than his they are called normally
Also what suggests that namek is on the other side of the universe
@@mrperfectcell5079in the manga theres no statement like that not counting even in anime ,punches itself were enough for being universal,piccolo practically stated hitting each with force to destroy the universe . if a explosion being bright enough to practically seen outside galaxy then it bare minimum multi solar system level.
Whats so wrong with calcs,what is he highball,he practically done pikcel scaling,how fast explosion travelled which is should be valid.the nearby planets arent so near as you say.As matter of fact,official kai ,you clearly see a empty hole in sky after explosion which is shown in video.Thats why i recommeded it.
@@om9959 well idc about the dbs manga I’m not using it. Also something bring bright enough to be seen from a galaxy is not that impressive there have been calcs of it it’s like large planet level to light up a galaxy, the explosion itself didn’t even reach nearby planets
I am aware of how he calcs things the same issue is that his calcs are usually super higher me and not consistent with other calcs of the same feat that’s why I don’t like to use them. Also I don’t think nameks explosion destroyed any stars that might just be an empty pocket of space cus once again it can’t even destroy nearby planets
MONKEY VS ROBOT!!!
[See end for TLDR]
I hear the exact same bad arguments for why flight speed = combat speed. Literally just think about the real life equivalent... Who's faster, Usain Bolt or Mike Tyson? Running it's of course Bolt but we all know Tyson had hands of lighting
In all forms of competition, including real life fighting, there is something called a "mental stack" which slows down reactions. The mental stack of flying in a straight line and just focusing on avoiding stuff is WAAAAAY less than Fighting faster than lightspeed
Dodging lasers is just a trope so unless characters are EXPLICITLY stated as being ludicrously fast then we cant just throw that label on them. Thats head canon
TLDR: Fact of the matter is, if regular civilians can see your fight, then your combat speed aint even faster than sound. Period.
@@jdrmanmusiqking you forget that i specifically said why this would apply to their combat speeds. Astrotrain can keep track of and tag cosmos who rivals him in terms of travel speed. If their reaction and combat speeds did not scale at all then that whole scene wouldn’t make sense
Also you fail to realize that these are ROBOTS why would he say this “mental stack” applies to them and why would we also say that it slows them down by literally billions of times because that’s what we would have to say for them to not be light speed
I shower their lasers being that fast via outspending Astrotrain I don’t need a direct statement to say they are that fast. That’s a fallacy
Prove regular civilians could see cybetronians fight. Also do note that regular humans in this show can somehow move boulders so you can’t act like they are the same as real life humans
@@mrperfectcell5079 Like i said in my TLDR, if regular people can see them fight, THEN THEY ARENT EVEN SUPERSONIC
Dodging lasers is just a trope so that there can be action without consequences just like action heroes dodging a hail of bullets and coming out unscathed
@@mrperfectcell5079 Bruh, my long, well thought out elaboration was deleted 😩
Agree to disagree. It took me 30min to write that... 😢😢😢
i mean theres also a chance the planet wakes up and primus transforms
And then Primus annihilates Frieza and his boys lol
I put anime Namek Saga Frieza at Solar System to Galaxy level. Since it was showed that the explosion engulfed a entire Galaxy and it even showed the result of the explosion, and it was just a void of empty space.
him with no energy and half dead survived Namek explosion, and it wasnt even Frieza 100% that destroyed Namek.
Frieza:
*What? Where am I?*
Unicron:
_I have summoned you here for a purpose._
Frieza:
*NO ONE SUMMONS LORD FRIEZA!*
Unicron:
_Then it pleases me to be the first._
Frieza:
*Nuts to that!*
**charges up a Death Ball**
Unicron:
_oh no..._
unicron would destroy frieza with just his existence
So basically dbz frieza loses autobots and decepticons but dbs frieza honestly one shots( and I’m not even kidding ). This match up had caught my attention and is very unique compared to other match ups. Great video 👍
To tell the truth, DBZ Frieza should win, but Mr. Perfect Cell downplayed Frieza
@@yeikelamores6085IF he used freeza mid ends greeza would one shot.
@@user-ph4ne7wy6r yeah,i know
@@yeikelamores6085 DBZ Frieza would get utterly torn by Galaxy Force Starscream alone.
@@BlueGoyim71 Where does that scale?
Now tbh I love when people say thank you at the end of the video for watching. Idk why though
Oh please the alligators where planetary +
Depends of what version of Frieza and the transformers. Well go with IDW, Cybertron trilogy and G1
Namek Saga is screwed ISW Megs and Prime are around universe level SOOOOOO.
Namek Frieza vs cybertron Megs and Prime is interesting as their around the same level of strength
I want this ro be a movie.
i am Positive that i commented here before, my comment IS gone so i'll say it again.
In the Bayverse the Transformers got like Blackhole cannons and Mind flayer stuff, and im sure they could have a weapon that turns the target against himself completely, SOOOOO if they got Frieza with it, Frieza could possibly somehow skin himself with Ki, something like what happened to a certain "Foul Mouthed Spicy man" Recently.
also, who is to say they cant catch Frieza with that one gun from Bumblebee that just popped the dude like a Bubble?
your comment was deleted?
Also remember this is G1 transformers vs frieza not Bayverse
@@mrperfectcell5079 it was deleted just buried way down and i didnt notice. I know g1 im just talking about the bayverse cuz i think they would stand a chance
This video won me over. I laughed a few times. Good going.
i mean, the bayverse transformers apparently got like Blackhole cannons a bunch of other freaky horror stuff, i dont doubt they can skin Frieza by just overwriting his brain to make him skin himself by using his telekinesis similar to what happened to a certain "Foul Mouthed" spice man in the new "Corpsepond and Furryguy"
I'd like to see what dragon ball scaled down would be like.
What if the fastest person was light speed?
How fast would the lower tier fighters be?
Light speed is really big, so I'd think there's plenty of room for a sub-FTL universe.
Let's go, I always belived in Optimus Prime.
Now i want starscream in dragon ball,how much of a pain he can be with his haxes?
Possessing the androids, stealing the time machine, going after the dragon balls
Just how much chaos he can cause before someone stops him?
i think by the point frieza would start being overwhelmed hed just go "ok i dont want this planet anymore" and destroy it
You are probably right but luckily transformers can breathe in space
@@mrperfectcell5079yeah
Or they can intercept his attack from reaching cybertron.
50% frieza's attack can be seen outside the galatic nebula
Frieza wouldn’t win, but there wouldn’t be a planet left to conquer.
Frieza pulls up
The Transformers:One shall stand,one shall fall
I am very surprised by the power of the Transformers!
Your point about them having vast reserves of inorganic power reminds me of the Androids, who are organic and inorganic life at the same time and have a special power source, much like the Cybertronians. We know that the Androids would have thrashed Frieza, and by the looks of it the Transformers are about as powerful. However, I think you may have made some erroneous assumptions regarding the blaster speed scaling due to the fact that the Transformers flying through space may not have been going at full speed when being shot at due to the asteroid field they were travelling through.
Also I liked the editing you did where Frieza shot a death beam and it cut to a Transformer getting shot. Clever.
17 and 18 are more properly cyborgs, since they started off as humans. 16 and most of the others are entirely mechanical.
Great vid and awesome work. Also I am very curious what would happen if the Frieza Army invaded OPM Earth and fought the S-Class Heroes
Great video
Where have I seen you before?
Short answer: He can try.
I dit now that transformers were that fast.
You should look into the IDW continuity of the transformers and how they scale to other verses
there like high outer
It's got outerversal feats lol
…he can try.
As a G1 fan I'm iffy on the speed thing. While Starscream, Astrotrain and others do manage insane speed feats the claim that they do those speed all the time is a MASSIVE assumption. Anyone who understands how moving and fighting works would tell you they wouldn't be maintaining those speeds while trying to turn.
This would be like doing a Star Wars vs Star Trek comparison and assuming because one ship or the other has a higher FTL speed that it can just run rings around the other.
@@GeoRyukaiser the issue is that friction doesn’t exist in space so I don’t see why he would move slower when turning. Also even if he was moving slower I doubt it would be like 1000x slower
Also I don’t see why that wouldn’t be the case if the one ship is faster
@@mrperfectcell5079 Friction might not, but momentum does. It takes an equal amount of thrust to stop in space as it did to reach that speed in the first place. As turning in space usually requires either burning a lot of energy, or gravity slings around planets or moon... or slowing down so you burn less energy to make the move.
Like with Astrotrain chasing the Autobot through the asteroid thicket, neither is using their FTL speeds since that's just asking to take an asteroid to the face.
Same goes for the ship example, FTL speeds do not directly translate to combat effective speed. A Star Destroyer, for instance, technically has a faster FTL speed then the Enterprise D (the Enterprise D does have feats where its faster but those are all anomalies caused by the mcguffin of the week)... but the Enterprise D is a much faster ship in combat.
@@GeoRyukaiser turning would just require you to thrust in the right direction it wouldn’t slow you down at all. It’s not like he’s turning in the opposite direction here it’s still headcanon to say that he’s somehow thousands of times slower just because he turned a little (even though for most of the scene he’s going in a relatively straight path) also again no friction in space so he shouldn’t be slowing down from slightly changing his direction
They just don’t ever slow down from turning even on screen so i don’t see what you are getting at here
Also cosmos and Astrotrain aren’t even thrusting to turn on screen so all of your logic goes out the window
Go ahead and prove Astrotrain would get 1000x slower cus he slightly turned (which didn’t even affect his speed at all visibly on screen he’s still moving just as fast)
This just seems like a really dishonest attempt to debunk the feat
Your entire example is bad. Ships do not have combat speeds. They don’t have arms or legs to punch to with. They go into a direction to get to their destination that’s it. So I have no idea what you are talking about
@@mrperfectcell5079 It'd suggest at least looking up some physics on science youtube, or play a space game with newtonian physics, since you don't seem to understand that friction not being at play doesn't mean altering course doesn't mean you dont change speed. Even the act of pushing sideways, while maintaining the same heading, alters the energy of an object in motion, which alters the momentum/speed. I fully admit to not fully understanding how it works, but I do get the basics.
Astrotrain not visibly changing speed actually makes more sense if he's going slow for two important reasons; 1) if he's going slower then his moving to avoid asteroids is both faster and requires less energy to be burnt (the energy needed to move his mass increases the faster he's going, to the point you would need enough energy to power Megatron's fusion cannon for a whole battle just to move Astrotrain one meter to the side at top speed). 2) The amount of time spent in the thicket, if he was moving at top speed then he'd have cleared the entire thicket in less then a second.
Your inability to understand my example is baffling. Arms and legs? TF are you talking about? No, they don't just 'go in a direction to a destination and thats it.' They have an FTL speed, and an effective speed while not travelling at FTL in which they can do tactical maneuvers around other ships when in combat. Even when applying real world physics. Thats because the faster you are moving the more energy and thrust required to change directions, or even more slightly to the side.
@@GeoRyukaiser I am saying it would significantly effect speed if he’s making a sharp turn or turning around. I am fully aware of what you are trying to say it just doesn’t apply here
Him going slow makes absolutely no sense. He is chasing down cosmos to gain valuable information and if there’s an asteroid in his way he can just blast it to pieces like he did in this exact scene. Not to mention that the same issue you made arises if he was going slow he still should have slowed down when turning. Yet he doesn’t nor does any Ariel autobot or deception whenever they turn. also that fusion canon thing is headcanon you do not know how much energy it takes
Also if they were slowing down that much then why didn’t cosmos just get out of the asteroid and zoom off at MFTL speeds or why did Astrotrain imply he was using a lot of effort to catch him if he was moving at such slow speeds like your logic has way too many holes
Also you fail to realize that when we watch shows often times the viewers perspective is slowed down or speed up so we can perceive something. For example any time a laser is fired in fiction or during the tournament of power on dbs. Light is too fast for humans to perceive and a 24 minute episode somehow correlated to 1 minute passing in the TOP
You mentioned that ships somehow have combat speed. Combat speed is the speed you have when attacking something. I do not see how ships could have combat speed UNLESS you are talking about their firearms which just wouldn’t apply here
Also I think it’s complete headcanon to say ships have an ftl speed and effective speed like where are you pulling that out from? Also even if what you’re saying is true that’s not due to the ship having a “combat speed” that’s due to the pilot not being able to perceive the ships top speed. But we are taking about a sentient ship I do not think you can apply that logic here
robots surviving strong energy & taking damage from animal attacks could be explained by energy control in some way, hinting that a punch might be more effective then energy attacks.
Cybertronium alloy is probly on the same level as uru metal so i can see friezas army being wiped out but frieza might last a bit
Cybertronians like Optimus and Megatron should be universal pretty easily tho and more blatantly than Frieza.
I’m not disagreeing, but it always seems to be speed that is obnoxious levels of outlier compared to all of the other stats in shows and always because somebody flew across the universe or something, or scaled to some other object flying.
Usually to the point where it seems like if you can go that fast, you should be able to destroy a lot more and there was a lot worth examples than the deacons Like we’re talking possibly city block level people being 1000 timeslight speed
could frieza and his army take over the wareframe universe???
No 😂😂😂 shockwave alone is enough to destroy him
Nice to see wuth you make more vidoes about transformers and show off that the franchise secretly is somewhat broken😂
Great video! I didn't know that El Manga Legendario gave info about the battle power of the Ginyu Force.
Gold-Black Freeza can, but the other forms of Freeza would get wrecked by Optimus or Megatron.
ngl the frieza downplay was wild
EXCELLENT WORK. MR PERFECT CELL DRAGON BALL Z VS TRANSFORMER
Stop coping Optimus prime solos him
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How far would Mori Jin and Satan during what I think it was the Ragnarok arc he had the power where he battled with Satan who made 2 quintillion perfect clones would stack up against the various arcs of the Dragon Ball Z era and movie villains?
Seriously fighting 2 quintillion perfect clones of a powerful character has got to scale up there in the near galaxy tiers. I doubt the low forms of Majin Buu can fight such intense numbers. There's too many of them to fight. It's astronomically far far worse then fighting Naruto clones because it's not thousands and they are not too different from the true user.
@@thorshammer7883 well most forms of buu can be argued to be universal
@@mrperfectcell5079
I recommend checking out The God of Highschool series sometime. It is originally from South Korea and it is quite a powerful verse and it has been around since 2011.
The power cliffing of this verse becomes astronomical by the end and I don't think there is any series that goes full out where a villain copies a protagonist ability and literally uses it to make quintillions of copies all nearly as strong as him. That is a mind numbing number that the vast majority of manga shounen characters wouldn't stand a chance against fighting such a army.
And they get more powerful after the Ragnarok arc where by the end Mori Jin pretty much a acasuality multiversal character able to change timelines if he wanted. Now that's probably good in the 5D range. But Ragnarok era alone should already be strong enough to annihilate Cell in a fight.
Cybertron would win because also Autobots and Decepticons would have a truce for Friza.
Now perfect Cell vs Cybertron
there gonna need the idw continuity to stop me
Live action yes comics not a chance
If you have just starscream alone from Galaxy force, he alone would brutalise a majority of the characters or DBZ and DBS.
That is without mentioning Convoy or Master Megatron at their full power.
Amazing video 👍
Please guys just scale the Manga, it's more consistent.
The manga is massively nerfed compared to the anime. Thats why people like you only want the manga, because otherwise you know its an effortless stomp on DBZ's side xD
@@kongzillatoho4558 Not really, it's cuz i care about substance not overwhelming power not to talk about that even the Anime fails to convey it's augmented levels of strengths as they keep the Anti Feats of the Manga,i mean i don't even like Transformers i am a DBZ Fan.
Dragon Ball stat increases are non-linear compared to their stats. A human with the PL of 5 is as fast as an ordinary human, but a human with the PL of ~1000 might be relativistic to FTL. Humans aren't merely 200 times slower than the speed of light. Speed increases are far more drastic the higher up the PL chain you go. If the non-linear speed difference is this massive in the interval between 1000 and 5, imagine that it's like comparing 1000 to 120 000 000.
Even though I doubt Frieza's chances of taking over Cybertron as his Namek Saga version, there's no way the Frieza Army gets as blitzed as depicted in this video. Especially if you take into consideration anime-only filler speed feats like King Kai being unable to keep up with Goku VS Frieza fight despite being perfectly able of tracking a spaceship traveling to a whole different corner of the universe (if you take into consideration the map of U7 in the expanded material)
Freezer and the entire Cybertronian Race would be kinda like Gabriel vs the entire Machine Incursion on Hell.
Have more confidence in yourself man, you made a solid video.
Okay, but could cell takeover?
That episode with Vegeta blowing a planet with two fingers is a non-canon filler anime only episode so I can't help but doubt if not deny it's credibility to this scaling though I agree with Frieza winning
I feel the same one but the Frieza scaling is more applicable
Freeza destroying planet vegeta in his first form with a finger is also not created by Akira Toriyama so GTFO. Anime Freeza stomps.
@@kongzillatoho4558 OK I didn't know that also I agree the that Frieza wins with ease also should have put my agreement in the comment thanks for pointing that out
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Hehe, reminds me of the death battle episode
what if ginyu body swaps with optimus?
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Yes, yes he could
I'll say frueza saga soldiers are nappa level because why would frieza recruit saiyans if he dies not have an army to match them
This is something I wish mor e people spectulate. Cross franchise what if. This is such a cool idea
Frieza by the time has literall solar system to multi solarsystem level of power as the explosion of namek was seen from outside the galaxy and he survived while being almost dead lol yeah he bodies and thats nost even mentioning the universal arguments which are high ends
@@JadoBouhzam the problem I have with the namek galaxy thing is that the explosion is portrayed differently a lot. In some shots it doesn’t even destroy nearby planets so I am hesitant to use that feat especially since that galaxy shot could just be it zooming in on the eplosion
@mrperfectcell5079 I mean freaza litrally survived a universal spirit bomb from goku as some guides states goku was getting energy from the universe and with a lot of universal statements for frieza he should be at that level aswell it all depends on how u interpret it also it in no way implies it would be zooming as the animators would want to show the full scale of the explosion as a way to make u think goku couldnt survive that as z fighters thought he died during it but he escaped namek before that
@@JadoBouhzam the issue is that the statements never actually say he gathered all that energy as they say “gather the chi of the universe” or “planets of the universe” you can just argue that maybe it’s supposed to be taken literally and is just meant to show they goku was getting energy from throughout the universe than literally every part of it
You are arguing authors intent which is kind of impossible you literally cannot prove what the writers had in mind with that galaxy shot maybe the light of explosion could be visible or maybe it was just zooming in regardless that depiction gets contradicted by it not even destroying nearby planets so it’s a very iffy feat either way
@@mrperfectcell5079Dbs universe is infinite thus has an infinite number of planets and Goku was gathering chi from those infinite planets so yeah
@@Casual_Otaku but what says he was gathering energy from literally every planet though, I believe he even said "nearby planets give me your energy"
Comic cybertron? Naw
So funny this dude compared a guy who conquered and destroyed an entire race of warriors who could destroy and crush moons with some random robots 😂
1 Saibamen is enough to turn Cybertron into a planet size junkyard
Nah, starscream could potentially end DbZ till Cell saga and potentially do a lot of damage on DB:Super Hero
Based on Hax and startegy alone
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