In my mind, flossing is illegal and Fisheries should get off their asses and make it illegal. What is their excuse for not doing it? If snagging is illegal, what is the difference?
I agree that it should be illegal, but not because it's somehow immoral. Fishing ethics are almost entirely made up anyway. Ask a child if it's ok to harass a wild animal for fun. You know they'll say "no", yet most anglers think it's just fine. The regulations exist to strike a balance where the fish have a chance to escape in sufficient numbers that the resource is sustainable. Flossing is far too easy and tilts the balance too much in favor of the angler.
Hey Peter! I was at this spot for the last 2 weekends and I've seen anglers snag fish over and over and over again here. It drives me nuts as I can't call DFO or conservation with no signal here. Their leaders are like 3 ft, and floats 5 ft high, casting into the rapids and ripping their rods, every cast almost is a snagged fish. And then they expect everyone to stop for them so they can land their snagged fish. What are you supposed to do in this situation?
Observe record report is the government line. There is a time and place to say something and stand up for our fish, but it's probably not with a bunch of shady people in the middle of the wilderness.
Well you are an idiot then and your eyes are blind. Flossing is legal, go complain to the DFO. But bullying people with words like poachers will get you a sock in the mouth.
They are poachers if they keep foul hooked fish (which definitely happens), but otherwise they're just harvesting fish. To me the moral demarcation is whether or not they are hurting many wild fish in the process, otherwise I couldn't care less about how someone wants to catch their fish.
Hi! The water was so high today as well. This is my first season. Please advise if the water will go lower and we can continue fishing ? Or the season is over? Thanks for the advice!
Thanks, Peter! I was afraid that the season was over. Could you please let me know when it usually ends? I mean the active season, like it was a week ago. Also, how can I check if the water levels are high? I’d rather not come all the way from Vancouver just to turn back, lol. Appreciate it, and good luck!
You can still definitely fish properly with the high water! Just becomes a little trickier, the fish will run up side channels and stay close to the banks. Your best bet is to fish roe in shallow water with a short leader when it’s high and muddy, best of luck!
In Washington State you are not allowed to take the fish out of the water if you do not harvest it, seems like that would either require nets or tailing the fish, could be a good rule change for BC.
I only just went salmon fishing for the first time last week and was shocked that so many people didnt have nets and had the fish out of water while un hooking, so weird...
Yes, it's obvious even to brand new anglers what's right and wrong. Well, hopefully you find someone to teach you the right ways so your fishing adventures continue. Good luck.
In some areas of the province flossing is the only way to get a salmon. The Skeena for example flossing is allowed for sokeye. There is no reason for flossing to be allowed on the Vedder. There are plenty of fish to be caught by proper fishing techniques.
I think allot of this talk of flossing is nonsense because when I have fished Sockeye in clear waters of Alaska, I actually see Sockeye move way out of their way to chase and grab a fly or on a lake from Soldotna Alaska throw a pink corky and sinker to rest of the bottom at the stream that flows into the lake it takes no longer than 5 minuets and sockeye swallows the corky and these salmon have eaten eggs that are in their bellies
that is an interesting observation. Sockeye in the Vedder also bite regularly, especially small beads, but the Fraser is so murky the fish can barely see and it's difficult to elicit a bite.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 The lake Tustumena from Soldotna Alaska is all glacier gray water and as I said the Sockeye find the Corkey's with no bait and by the time you see what looks like some trout bite the Sockeye has swallowed the Corkey. Many steams in Alaska I have been to the Sockeye go nuts over any bead that looks like a salmon egg and even reeling in a bead like an egg Sockeye can be seen chasing it or just stop reeling then the Sockeye nabs the bead. I can't come on to this idea that flossing the salmon is all that is happening.
Thank you for speaking and focusing on educating people on how to release a fish correctly and their well being, not focusing on the morals of particural ways of fishing. Fishing has so many moral grey areas and to condem other fishermen for legal forms of harvest is not ncessary. I find the reality to be many people who are flossing are harvest fishing for their families and wont complain about eating a spring thats not completely silver and while they may enjoy fishing the main goal is always food on the table. While educating people and moving away from flossing is important, its started a trend of the "sports fishermen" with $800 simms waders, $1200 islander reel/rod setups who only C+R casting moral judgement on those feeding their families.
Well said. It is a bit awkward thinking about fishing as animal abuse. You are right but it is an uncomfortable thought. 😅 Yeah I think they could definitely use some education on how to release properly. Honestly it would be nice to have to watch a little video or have to take a quick course when you get a salmon/crab/harvest tag/endorsement. (Kind of like some areas have for boats regarding invasive species; basically a 3 min course teaching you to clean, drain and dry your boat)
I know people who believe catch and release is inhumane and they think you catch a fish you kill it humanely and when you reach your limit you are done. Not the way I was brought up but they have a point.
Thanks for this video Petr. It’s sad to see what this river has become.. a meat fishery. I won’t fish this river due to the total collapse of ethical angling. I saw it coming when the sockeye flossing fishery was opened at the behest of tackle shops in the metro Vancouver and Fraser Valley regions. It’ll never come back until flossing is illegal. Till then you’ll have to endure people (not fishermen) coming out on a day with zero visibility to snag fish.
Like I said in the video, I believe that harvest fishing and sport fishing can co-exist no problem on this river, but there still has to be respect for the fish on both ends. A sports angler landing 100 pink salmon in a day will likely do just as much incidental damage as a flosser landing 10. There is a tendency for people to look down on all others who don't fish the way they do. I don't really care is someone is fishing with a spear or a net or a rod, but they have to respect and understand the creatures they target and the law as well. I outlined all the problems with flossing in another video last year and I don't condone it, but neither do I hate people for doing it.
At the end of September I was on the south side of the river across from Peach Road. There wer five CO's on the north side checking licenses and stuff. Seemed they wrote more than one ticket given how many times their paperwork came out.
Non-retention or one fish per day could be a good idea to distinguish real anglers and meat harvesters. Together with high cost on conservation stamp, the river will be peaceful.
I agree, the Vedder should probably be a classified water at the very least. On the other hand the fish are plentiful in spite of the harvesting. Last year about 35 thousand coho showed up in the hatchery channel. They get ground up for fertiliser.
This shyt should be illegal this is not considered fishing 🎣 whatsoever. Always exciting too see a bobber go under. Most of the time it’s a good hook set. Also get a net people instead of beaching a fish letting the fish thrash on rocks then kicking it back in the water.
I agree that it should be illegal, but until it is, I will not hate on people simply for flossing. It's the fact that it so often goes hand in hand with other unethical practices that bothers me.
On the Vedder it's a kind of segregation. We end up with flossing spots and non flossing spots. Those of us that like to catch fish on the bite just don't go to the flossing spots.
I've caught over 60 coho in the last few weeks. 5% were hooked outside the month and the rest took my bait. I'm often asked what I'm doing to catch these fish and my answer is always the same. I don't floss and I target a species with stealth and correct presentation. What I'm seeing is disgusting. I don't know how the hell this is supposed to be fun and legal. You dont need to do this folks!
I 100% agree. Sounds like you're having a great season. I'm only at 57 coho myself. Lately I've been targeting them with small flies and it's working great. It takes patience hard work and a lot of early mornings to get coho consistently, any monkey can learn flossing in a few minutes and catch fish all day.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Targeting any river species is 90% educational and 10% river fishing. I've been a steelhead fisherman my entire life. These fish are finicky and unfortunately none of the river tactics used in BC (by the majority ) will ever land them a steelhead or any other river species for that matter . The same approach for steelhead can be used for Salmon. It's so much more fun to experiment with different presentations, land a beautiful chromer with every intention of returning it to the wild without harm and of course sometimes the dinner table. This year I've caught them on small flies like you, as well as 8mm beads and brown plastic worms. Varying the colour works well but more importantly the presentation and drift is key, which can only be accomplished with a good centerpin reel. An example........I was told the Campbell River steelhead run is very poor and no steelhead in that river. In the last 2 years I've caught over 7 steelhead in the Campbell with limited fishing, Again the key is the above mentioned. We have one of the best fisheries in the world. I just wish people would respect it and approach it with more professional tactics. Our rivers deserve better and the world is watching.
Sucks to see this!! I enjoy fishing and having the satisfaction of seeing the float going down. These guys are out for filling the freezer and nothing more. Takes the fun, joy, and angler out of this sport!
The silly thing is that you can have both. I have no problem filling my freezer and I have a lot of fun with figuring out how the fish think and react to different lures and situations.
This will only make tama more of a crazy place to fish lol “Good pub or bad pub..”This is true for ethical and unethical fishermen… Ban the nylon nets and bad flossers without nets…
There is much debate on this. A very experienced angler does not need a net to release a fish safely, but for most people a soft net should be a mandatory piece of equipment.
The real problem here is that BC should require courses similar to CORE for hunting. When I was 13 year old, growing up in Europe, there was mandatory classes and test to get fishing license. I many cases it is ignorance but in many cases people are just starting and do what they see on youtube … saying that there are also very good educational videos out there.
How many fish even caught with a lure or roe are flossed? We all know fly fishing for salmon is mostly flossing. Years ago i tested it on the Smith River in northern cal to just see if a person needed anything on the hook. I took a bare single hook with sinker above leader just as I would fish roe . Cast out a good run was moving through the hole my line stopped just as it would with bait . I set hook landed a 45 lb chrome male hooked inside mouth with a bare hook. So don't fool yourselves even bait or lures etc I believe many are just flossed they never bit anything.
It all depends on how you run your leader. If you run your leader sideways across the current, you will floss fish, regardless of what's on your hook. If your leader is straight down, you will never get a flossed fish. I have been doing some fly fishing lately and the fish smash those flies hard, often I need pliers to get the fly out because it's in deep.
I'm 62 years old been fishing salmon for over 50 years i have caught thousands of salmon and steelhead Just because you think a fish smashes it and rips the pole from your hands does not mean it struck ! Especially when salmon make the transition from salt to fresh water they are opening and closing their mouths wide to get enough oxygen from the transition and it's easy for the line to get into their mouths and once it comes to the end you have a massive strike or so it seems . Only damn way to really see if the fish struck would be a underwater camera filming the incident. And the salt to fresh water transition can be weeks long not just in a estuary..
@@kirkstewart-vf6hg I've visibly seen salmon separate from the school and smash a lure/fly/jig. I don't buy the "ever salmon with a lure is flossed" logic, it's completely flawed and something flossers tell one another to justify their way of fishing.
Don't know what you read as I never ever said every salmon caught with lure etc is flossed as I've caught thousands of salmon . But a large degree are flossed whether you choose to believe that or not is your call!
As Peter are not ticketsd for flossing but these guys do need to be dducated on fish handling which is also in the regulations. Tickets for mishandling fish that must be released would go a long watmy towards cleaning up their act.
Absolutely, it requires an astute approach to enforcement and some undercover work. Many people would not behave as they do if there was always a possibility the guy beside them is DFO.
This is absolutely DISGUSTING!.....No good fisherman would take part in this type of fishing!!!!!....It SNAGGING no matter what other term you want to call it. The sockeye fishery on the Fraser was flossing and this is where this term originated from!...This should NOT be allowed on the Vedder/Chilliwack system!
Spent 9 days there and you guys have a whole lot more going on there than flossing. Snagging, keeping wild fish,garbage. Dumbfounded by how bad it is.g
Keep geetin censored but i support what you do however its getting so bacd i feel more legislation is needed not only that accountability to the fisherman in that area that is ultimately up to them to start policing their waters DFO's and CO's cannot be everywhere to gather evidence its up to us to assist them@petrhermanadventures9509
That’s not float fishing. In this case the float is a decoy to pretend you know what you’re doing. Thanks Petr for the video as disheartening as it is to watch.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Thanks for what you do to help. I agree, never give up. I will speak up if I see it going on. Some are more willing to listen than orhers
Just how boring it is to floss a fish… so unethical too!!! The whole point why salmon fishing is so fun and addicting is because of those days not catching anything after spending hours in water and those days when you do see the float go down you will remember forever haha. I honestly don’t get those people and those staggers…
I flossed when I first started salmon fishing. It's what I was shown and it worked. However as good people do, I learned a little something every time I went to the river and before long I realized that there is a whole lot more to salmon fishing and that it's way more interesting than standing in one spot trying to hit a bulls eye blind folded.
The guy in the brown coat kicking the fish was European. There are definitely cultural aspects to the way people fish and treat fish, but that has nothing to do with their race and more to do with their country of origin. If someone comes from a country where fishing regulations do not exist, the Canadian regulations are more likely to seem stupid to them.
It's funny that so many of you go after the guy feeding his family but not the massive cooperations that are actually destroying the industry . I know 99.9 % of you don't really know what's happening in bc waters . Just enjoy the hobby as you seem fit and leave the small town to fish other beautiful rivers and destinations around the world. But yeah clean up your shit 😂
I agree that there are bigger issues, but also it's a logical fallacy to use one bad thing to justify a different bad thing. It's like saying it's ok to hit your wife because people are dying is the was in Ukraine.
On a small tributary you're quite right. There are some rivers like the Skeena and the Fraser where the technique does not result in foul hooked fish though.
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Thank you very much for the donation to the channel. I appreciate it a great deal. It was nice meeting you in person the other day.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 thank you for your videos, Petr. Thank you for speaking out and educating people.
In my mind, flossing is illegal and Fisheries should get off their asses and make it illegal. What is their excuse for not doing it? If snagging is illegal, what is the difference?
I agree that it should be illegal, but not because it's somehow immoral. Fishing ethics are almost entirely made up anyway. Ask a child if it's ok to harass a wild animal for fun. You know they'll say "no", yet most anglers think it's just fine. The regulations exist to strike a balance where the fish have a chance to escape in sufficient numbers that the resource is sustainable. Flossing is far too easy and tilts the balance too much in favor of the angler.
This is not fishing, no respect
snagging is legal at certain times in certain places for certain species.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 perfectly said
@theastuteangler not in Canada. So you're incorrect.
Hey Peter! I was at this spot for the last 2 weekends and I've seen anglers snag fish over and over and over again here. It drives me nuts as I can't call DFO or conservation with no signal here. Their leaders are like 3 ft, and floats 5 ft high, casting into the rapids and ripping their rods, every cast almost is a snagged fish. And then they expect everyone to stop for them so they can land their snagged fish. What are you supposed to do in this situation?
Observe record report is the government line. There is a time and place to say something and stand up for our fish, but it's probably not with a bunch of shady people in the middle of the wilderness.
Sad...thanks for awareness video Peter.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Looks like a bunch of poachers to me!! Pathetic sportsmanship 😢
Well you are an idiot then and your eyes are blind. Flossing is legal, go complain to the DFO. But bullying people with words like poachers will get you a sock in the mouth.
They are poachers if they keep foul hooked fish (which definitely happens), but otherwise they're just harvesting fish. To me the moral demarcation is whether or not they are hurting many wild fish in the process, otherwise I couldn't care less about how someone wants to catch their fish.
Hi! The water was so high today as well. This is my first season. Please advise if the water will go lower and we can continue fishing ? Or the season is over? Thanks for the advice!
The water will be dropping soon, you'll have better luck when you have 6-12 inches of visibility.
Thanks, Peter! I was afraid that the season was over. Could you please let me know when it usually ends? I mean the active season, like it was a week ago. Also, how can I check if the water levels are high? I’d rather not come all the way from Vancouver just to turn back, lol. Appreciate it, and good luck!
You can still definitely fish properly with the high water! Just becomes a little trickier, the fish will run up side channels and stay close to the banks. Your best bet is to fish roe in shallow water with a short leader when it’s high and muddy, best of luck!
@@malachiyanagisawa9664 absolutely right, I need to make a video about that one day, because many people don't believe it.
@@malachiyanagisawa9664 Good to know, thanks a lot for the advice!
In Washington State you are not allowed to take the fish out of the water if you do not harvest it, seems like that would either require nets or tailing the fish, could be a good rule change for BC.
The good anglers are all doing that already, it's just the meat harvesters that have no respect for this precious resource.
I only just went salmon fishing for the first time last week and was shocked that so many people didnt have nets and had the fish out of water while un hooking, so weird...
Yes, it's obvious even to brand new anglers what's right and wrong. Well, hopefully you find someone to teach you the right ways so your fishing adventures continue. Good luck.
Petr, this is proof BC residents are flossing. Dentist Association of BC should be proud! 😂
some of those guys must have no cavities, ever!
In some areas of the province flossing is the only way to get a salmon. The Skeena for example flossing is allowed for sokeye. There is no reason for flossing to be allowed on the Vedder. There are plenty of fish to be caught by proper fishing techniques.
I have flossed myself for Fraser sockeye. I don't have a moral issue with flossing, but as you say, it's just inappropriate in some places.
I think allot of this talk of flossing is nonsense because when I have fished Sockeye in clear waters of Alaska, I actually see Sockeye move way out of their way to chase and grab a fly or on a lake from Soldotna Alaska throw a pink corky and sinker to rest of the bottom at the stream that flows into the lake it takes no longer than 5 minuets and sockeye swallows the corky and these salmon have eaten eggs that are in their bellies
that is an interesting observation. Sockeye in the Vedder also bite regularly, especially small beads, but the Fraser is so murky the fish can barely see and it's difficult to elicit a bite.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 The lake Tustumena from Soldotna Alaska is all glacier gray water and as I said the Sockeye find the Corkey's with no bait and by the time you see what looks like some trout bite the Sockeye has swallowed the Corkey.
Many steams in Alaska I have been to the Sockeye go nuts over any bead that looks like a salmon egg and even reeling in a bead like an egg Sockeye can be seen chasing it or just stop reeling then the Sockeye nabs the bead.
I can't come on to this idea that flossing the salmon is all that is happening.
Thank you for speaking and focusing on educating people on how to release a fish correctly and their well being, not focusing on the morals of particural ways of fishing. Fishing has so many moral grey areas and to condem other fishermen for legal forms of harvest is not ncessary.
I find the reality to be many people who are flossing are harvest fishing for their families and wont complain about eating a spring thats not completely silver and while they may enjoy fishing the main goal is always food on the table. While educating people and moving away from flossing is important, its started a trend of the "sports fishermen" with $800 simms waders, $1200 islander reel/rod setups who only C+R casting moral judgement on those feeding their families.
It's not about morality, it's about sustainability. Flossing puts too much pressure on the fish and makes it hard to maintain a healthy population.
Well said. It is a bit awkward thinking about fishing as animal abuse. You are right but it is an uncomfortable thought. 😅
Yeah I think they could definitely use some education on how to release properly. Honestly it would be nice to have to watch a little video or have to take a quick course when you get a salmon/crab/harvest tag/endorsement. (Kind of like some areas have for boats regarding invasive species; basically a 3 min course teaching you to clean, drain and dry your boat)
You are correct. This is done for hunting, fishing should be the same.
I know people who believe catch and release is inhumane and they think you catch a fish you kill it humanely and when you reach your limit you are done. Not the way I was brought up but they have a point.
Thanks for this video Petr.
It’s sad to see what this river has become.. a meat fishery. I won’t fish this river due to the total collapse of ethical angling.
I saw it coming when the sockeye flossing fishery was opened at the behest of tackle shops in the metro Vancouver and Fraser Valley regions.
It’ll never come back until flossing is illegal.
Till then you’ll have to endure people (not fishermen) coming out on a day with zero visibility to snag fish.
Like I said in the video, I believe that harvest fishing and sport fishing can co-exist no problem on this river, but there still has to be respect for the fish on both ends. A sports angler landing 100 pink salmon in a day will likely do just as much incidental damage as a flosser landing 10. There is a tendency for people to look down on all others who don't fish the way they do. I don't really care is someone is fishing with a spear or a net or a rod, but they have to respect and understand the creatures they target and the law as well. I outlined all the problems with flossing in another video last year and I don't condone it, but neither do I hate people for doing it.
At the end of September I was on the south side of the river across from Peach Road. There wer five CO's on the north side checking licenses and stuff. Seemed they wrote more than one ticket given how many times their paperwork came out.
They checked me and my daughter there that day. I was glad to see them, first time in 10 years I've had my license checked during salmon season.
Non-retention or one fish per day could be a good idea to distinguish real anglers and meat harvesters. Together with high cost on conservation stamp, the river will be peaceful.
I agree, the Vedder should probably be a classified water at the very least. On the other hand the fish are plentiful in spite of the harvesting. Last year about 35 thousand coho showed up in the hatchery channel. They get ground up for fertiliser.
This been the way for 40+ years . Nothin new and nothing is going to change. Meat harvest is what this river is managed to function as.
I'm not against the meat harvest, but the crappy fish handling drives me bananas. These fish are special and deserve to be protected.
This shyt should be illegal this is not considered fishing 🎣 whatsoever. Always exciting too see a bobber go under. Most of the time it’s a good hook set. Also get a net people instead of beaching a fish letting the fish thrash on rocks then kicking it back in the water.
I agree that it should be illegal, but until it is, I will not hate on people simply for flossing. It's the fact that it so often goes hand in hand with other unethical practices that bothers me.
Pretty lame, not much you can really do about it. I give you props for trying to educate people. I'm glad you have 40,000 subs. :)
Thanks for the comment, the channel sure has grown. I never expected that.
this will get you n a fight on alot of rivers !!!!! flossing is poaching basically
On the Vedder it's a kind of segregation. We end up with flossing spots and non flossing spots. Those of us that like to catch fish on the bite just don't go to the flossing spots.
I've caught over 60 coho in the last few weeks. 5% were hooked outside the month and the rest took my bait. I'm often asked what I'm doing to catch these fish and my answer is always the same. I don't floss and I target a species with stealth and correct presentation. What I'm seeing is disgusting. I don't know how the hell this is supposed to be fun and legal. You dont need to do this folks!
I 100% agree. Sounds like you're having a great season. I'm only at 57 coho myself. Lately I've been targeting them with small flies and it's working great. It takes patience hard work and a lot of early mornings to get coho consistently, any monkey can learn flossing in a few minutes and catch fish all day.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Targeting any river species is 90% educational and 10% river fishing. I've been a steelhead fisherman my entire life. These fish are finicky and unfortunately none of the river tactics used in BC (by the majority ) will ever land them a steelhead or any other river species for that matter . The same approach for steelhead can be used for Salmon. It's so much more fun to experiment with different presentations, land a beautiful chromer with every intention of returning it to the wild without harm and of course sometimes the dinner table. This year I've caught them on small flies like you, as well as 8mm beads and brown plastic worms. Varying the colour works well but more importantly the presentation and drift is key, which can only be accomplished with a good centerpin reel. An example........I was told the Campbell River steelhead run is very poor and no steelhead in that river. In the last 2 years I've caught over 7 steelhead in the Campbell with limited fishing, Again the key is the above mentioned. We have one of the best fisheries in the world. I just wish people would respect it and approach it with more professional tactics. Our rivers deserve better and the world is watching.
@@patrickw8453 well said!
It's just time for a fishing course before you can get a license ,similar to the hunting course .
I think it's a great idea. I offered a such a class for free this fall and only 7 people showed up.
Sucks to see this!! I enjoy fishing and having the satisfaction of seeing the float going down. These guys are out for filling the freezer and nothing more. Takes the fun, joy, and angler out of this sport!
The silly thing is that you can have both. I have no problem filling my freezer and I have a lot of fun with figuring out how the fish think and react to different lures and situations.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 exactly!!!! Great comment!! Appreciate the videos!
This will only make tama more of a crazy place to fish lol
“Good pub or bad pub..”This is true for ethical and unethical fishermen…
Ban the nylon nets and bad flossers without nets…
There is much debate on this. A very experienced angler does not need a net to release a fish safely, but for most people a soft net should be a mandatory piece of equipment.
The real problem here is that BC should require courses similar to CORE for hunting. When I was 13 year old, growing up in Europe, there was mandatory classes and test to get fishing license. I many cases it is ignorance but in many cases people are just starting and do what they see on youtube … saying that there are also very good educational videos out there.
I aim to be one source of positive educational videos. thanks for watching and subscribing
How many fish even caught with a lure or roe are flossed?
We all know fly fishing for salmon is mostly flossing.
Years ago i tested it on the Smith River in northern cal to just see if a person needed anything on the hook.
I took a bare single hook with sinker above leader just as I would fish roe .
Cast out a good run was moving through the hole my line stopped just as it would with bait .
I set hook landed a 45 lb chrome male hooked inside mouth with a bare hook.
So don't fool yourselves even bait or lures etc I believe many are just flossed they never bit anything.
It all depends on how you run your leader. If you run your leader sideways across the current, you will floss fish, regardless of what's on your hook. If your leader is straight down, you will never get a flossed fish. I have been doing some fly fishing lately and the fish smash those flies hard, often I need pliers to get the fly out because it's in deep.
I'm 62 years old been fishing salmon for over 50 years i have caught thousands of salmon and steelhead
Just because you think a fish smashes it and rips the pole from your hands does not mean it struck !
Especially when salmon make the transition from salt to fresh water they are opening and closing their mouths wide to get enough oxygen from the transition and it's easy for the line to get into their mouths and once it comes to the end you have a massive strike or so it seems .
Only damn way to really see if the fish struck would be a underwater camera filming the incident.
And the salt to fresh water transition can be weeks long not just in a estuary..
@@kirkstewart-vf6hg I've visibly seen salmon separate from the school and smash a lure/fly/jig. I don't buy the "ever salmon with a lure is flossed" logic, it's completely flawed and something flossers tell one another to justify their way of fishing.
Don't know what you read as I never ever said every salmon caught with lure etc is flossed as I've caught thousands of salmon .
But a large degree are flossed whether you choose to believe that or not is your call!
Damm the water is high today
Sure is!
flossing, the unskilled fishermans technique for catching. usually the fisherman with low fishing IQ. Dolts of the fishing community
As Peter are not ticketsd for flossing but these guys do need to be dducated on fish handling which is also in the regulations. Tickets for mishandling fish that must be released would go a long watmy towards cleaning up their act.
Absolutely, it requires an astute approach to enforcement and some undercover work. Many people would not behave as they do if there was always a possibility the guy beside them is DFO.
So if they are molesting the fish why doesn't the DFO ticket people for dragging them on the rocks?
The DFO is starting to do that more and more. They have in fact hired more officers and I see a positive trend happening.
This is absolutely DISGUSTING!.....No good fisherman would take part in this type of fishing!!!!!....It SNAGGING no matter what other term you want to call it. The sockeye fishery on the Fraser was flossing and this is where this term originated from!...This should NOT be allowed on the Vedder/Chilliwack system!
Yup seen chrome wilds floating down stream, beacuse of these clowns most likey.
I always see some when I'm snorkeling. there are more than people think.
Spent 9 days there and you guys have a whole lot more going on there than flossing. Snagging, keeping wild fish,garbage. Dumbfounded by how bad it is.g
Much of my TH-cam is dedicated to trying to reverse this trend. I realize it's a very small difference, but still worth a try.
Nope agree with what you are doing. Just venting in what i had seen by folks that imo should be banned off the river @petrhermanadventures9509
Keep geetin censored but i support what you do however its getting so bacd i feel more legislation is needed not only that accountability to the fisherman in that area that is ultimately up to them to start policing their waters DFO's and CO's cannot be everywhere to gather evidence its up to us to assist them@petrhermanadventures9509
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The sound of the water is higher than your voice kinda hard to hear you
That's a fair point, but Tamihi is a very loud rapid. I actually balanced the sound to reduce the sound of the water by about 50%.
That’s not float fishing. In this case the float is a decoy to pretend you know what you’re doing. Thanks Petr for the video as disheartening as it is to watch.
Thank you for the comment.
Unaccepatable
yes, I think so too.
Age old problem, they just dont care. Theres no cure for ignorance and being stupid.
You are probably right, but I'd rather not just give up and say nothing.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Thanks for what you do to help. I agree, never give up. I will speak up if I see it going on. Some are more willing to listen than orhers
Shut it down
That is not the answer, those people will just find other spots.
Just how boring it is to floss a fish… so unethical too!!! The whole point why salmon fishing is so fun and addicting is because of those days not catching anything after spending hours in water and those days when you do see the float go down you will remember forever haha. I honestly don’t get those people and those staggers…
I flossed when I first started salmon fishing. It's what I was shown and it worked. However as good people do, I learned a little something every time I went to the river and before long I realized that there is a whole lot more to salmon fishing and that it's way more interesting than standing in one spot trying to hit a bulls eye blind folded.
I hope everyone learns too~ can’t blame them for being ignorant. It’s those who know it but still do it that’s sad 😢
I bet if you DID show their faces, you’d see an awful lot in common…
Exactly........... then they go tell 20 of their friends and relatives and there are more of them the next day...
The guy in the brown coat kicking the fish was European. There are definitely cultural aspects to the way people fish and treat fish, but that has nothing to do with their race and more to do with their country of origin. If someone comes from a country where fishing regulations do not exist, the Canadian regulations are more likely to seem stupid to them.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 yes it’s cultural.
It's funny that so many of you go after the guy feeding his family but not the massive cooperations that are actually destroying the industry . I know 99.9 % of you don't really know what's happening in bc waters .
Just enjoy the hobby as you seem fit and leave the small town to fish other beautiful rivers and destinations around the world.
But yeah clean up your shit 😂
I agree that there are bigger issues, but also it's a logical fallacy to use one bad thing to justify a different bad thing. It's like saying it's ok to hit your wife because people are dying is the was in Ukraine.
No such thing as flossing. It's just snagging.
On a small tributary you're quite right. There are some rivers like the Skeena and the Fraser where the technique does not result in foul hooked fish though.
@petrhermanadventures9509 the probability of the hook ending up in the mouth is 1 in a million. Too many variables.