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- The Atheist Experience 21.18 May 7, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
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When life lets me down, when I am going through hardship, I just watch a video of Matt Dilahunty destroying a believer and it cheers me up.
When i find myself in times of trouble
Father matthew comes to me
Debunking the words of Exodus
Twenty One
@@electricc437 just Let It Be bro
@@singalexsong And in my hour of darkness, he is
sitting right in ront of me
Roasting the claims of them theists
Let it be
Matt rocks it...!
And the theists name John does come along.
“You do believe in god and I just know”, John blindly asserts.
After a briefly chuckle and one swing of his almighty logic, Father Matt dispenses of the cowardly John.
Back to the echo chamber, cretinous theist.
It amazes me how oblivious he is to his own circular reasoning.
He's not, presuppositionalists know their argument is circular, but they refer to it as "virtuously circular".
@@nosfrattirek5690 Or 'epistemologically circular.' Which is semi-valid. By definition, we can't justify our fundamental suppositions. But there are problems with trying to presuppose god, and especially to presuppose a particular god. It doesn't simplify our axiom set, and it doesn't make our knowledge anymore certain, ultimately, since you're just replacing our current suppositions with new ones.
They don't even realize Intelligent Design is a chicken and egg argument because if humans are intelligent design, then God must be intelligent design by higher power. Then it all about intelligent design to higher and higher and higher power until what? Who create the highest power above God?
Then religious said, everything is intelligent design except God whereas just not long ago they said everything is created by intelligent design, that must also mean including theirs God.
@@justinhansen8137 How about this? Adam and Eve have no concept of right and wrong, good or evil or punishment and reward. They are babies without anyone to teach them or learn from. All they did was talk to animals and play around.
Yet a "just" God punish them for something they clearly not understand.
I often use this and the one earlier to most argument, yet religious always try to bend way to excuse. Adam and Eve are like CaveMen and they use modern's day logic to argue, laughable at best.
@@justinhansen8137 I understand what you said, I argued with few others and finally they said "God can kill anyone because God created everything". At that point, I realize it is pointless to argue any further since God is "Morally Right" despite willing to kill BILLIONS of people.
I'll just continue to use these 2 points. But yeah, from all the youtube video. Yours point also work as well, but when point out their immorality and things in Bible, then heard them say "God can destroy the whole world, kill BILLIONS", I just mute them or call them MONSTERS worship greater MONSTER, then mute. That's all I could do since they already succumb to the point, that they would throw all theirs humanity and morality just to protect theirs belief and faith...
How does America function in the modern world with so many of these people living there...
Does it really function? Nobody out here in the real world likes the place, or its inhabitants.
I'm... I'm sorry, but "in the _modern_ world"? Tf?
Mark Hepworth. . 8 months ago. . How does America function in the modern world with so many of these people living there.... 4 replies. 31 likes.
American is drifting away from God and thus is planting seeds of it's own destruction
Poorly.
@@raysalmon6566 If you are an example of someone who is close to god...I want to be as far away as possible.
“Unless your worldview is biblical, your worldview is incoherent.”
Right.😂
@@billneu Lying about other people is one of the ways they show how incoherent they are.🤡
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. As a person who rejects the Bible, what is ‘incoherent’? That is, for something to be illogical, don’t you have to point to laws of logic that supersede human opinion? How do you account for these laws? Are they determined by society? Yet, sometimes entire societies reject rational thought. So, without God, how can you say that anything is ‘incoherent’? The same holds true for morality. With atheism, you have no basis to treat people differently than other life forms. Atheism is amoral.
You cannot say that I did not warn you! You will give an account for every lie, every theft, every treason against everything good and noble. Christ died so that you may know the goodness of God. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh And when I ask them, Christians, where their values come from, they say they come from God. I ask, Where did your ideas of God come from? They say, From the Bible. Where did the Bible come from? From God, they say. Who said it came from God? The Bible says it came from God. Which author specifically said it came from God? Paul. How did Paul know? God revealed it to him. How did Paul know God revealed it to him? Revelation. Is revelation subjective or objective? Objective. In your view, what's the difference between objective and subjective. Objective is what's in the Bible; subjective is just what people think without evidence. Did Paul have objective evidence for his revelation that what he said was revelation? Yes, the Bible is the objective evidence. In what sense is the Bible objective evidence? The prophecies cam true. Which prophecies? That Jesus would ride a donkey. Who said Jesus would ride a donkey? One of the prophets. Did the prophet say, A messiah named Jesus will ride a donkey into Jerusalem and he will be killed there and rise on the third day and ascend into heaven. Yes, one of the prophets said that. Show me. It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that exactly, but the Spirit revealed it's meaning. Who said the spirit revealed that? Paul. How did Paul know? God revealed it to him. Did he reveal it to him subjectively or objectively? Objectively. How? Through the Spirit. The Spirit is objective or subjective? Objective. How so? Because it only reveals what is true. How did Paul know it was the Spirit? Because he experienced it. How did he know it was the Spirit he was experiencing? God revealed it to him. How did he know it was God revealing it to him? He knew it through revelation. You mean he knew it in his heart, mind, and soul? Yes. He knew that he knew? Yes. He didn't know it through the wisdom of this world? Correct. He didn't discover it through science, math, experimentation, or observation of the physical world? No, God revealed it to him through his spirit. So it wasn't objective in any material sense, but spiritual, to his mind's eye? Yes. So it wasn't objective, but spiritual? Yes, spiritual. He knew it in his heart, without reference to anything but God? Yes, God showed it to him. God showed him something physical? No, he showed him something spiritual. So God didn't show him a physical object? No, it was a spiritual truth. So it was spiritual, not objective? It wasn't an object, no. It was a spiritual truth he saw in his soul. So as one subject to another, God to Paul, God revealed through the Spirit? Yes, it was spiritual. God to Paul, without physical mediation? Yes, only through the Spirit. And the Spirit isn't an object you can see, hear, taste, touch,or smell? Not usually; you can feel him in your heart, though, and he can make you feel God's presence. But not smell, taste, touch, hear, or see God? Not physically, but spiritually. So as a subject you feel with your spirit but not an object your physical senses detect, apart from your subjective emotions, thought and spiritual feelings? Correct. Thank you. You realize that's subjective, right?
@@kenshiloh You can be a Hitler, or shoot up a mall, or be a fundraiser for the Democratic or Republican parties, or a rapist of children, or push Grandma down the stairs for her social security money, but if you regret it and surrender on your deathbed, according to Christianity you still go to heaven.
But if you collect clothes for the poor, help out everybody in the neighborhood, coach little league, and fill sandbags at floodtime and distribute water bottles after earthquakes, but keep saying “Ya know, those still sound like crazy stories to me” right up until you die, you go to hell.
Does that sound moral to you? Also, what practical moral act can a Christian do that an atheist cannot?....> Also Atheism is just thhe disbelief in gods....That's all...
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@@stonemaze9925 Not quite. God is objectively real. Conversely, do you claim that spiritual realities are not real? For example, do you believe in love or justice? Moreover, are you saying that you are just a bag of chemicals, fizzing away? You have no free will?
I do not believe the Bible because of the Bible, but because of the Holy Spirit. I was raised by an atheist, hearing the gospel for the first time at the age of 17. The about he Holy Spirit bore witness that Christ died on a Cross for me. I believe the Bible because the Holy Spirit bears witness that it is true. In fact, the Christian faith is all about knowing God. He is objectively there. He will objectively judge you for ever lie, every theft, and every treason. Christ objectively died on on a Cross so that, if you will ask, you may know Him. Either that or objectively suffer in hell for all eternity. I hope that you will make peace with God. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
John: Your favorite color is blue.
Me: No its not.
John: Yes it is.
Me: I like red.
John:, No, you like blue, because my book says so.
Me: Your book is wrong because I like red.
John: YOU LIKE BLUE!
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Tinrib it’s incredibly patronizing when theists tell you what YOU believe and they know it while you don’t know how you actually feel or what you actually believe. It’s conceited, self aggrandizing and incredibly dishonest.
@@trishayamada807 love your comment. I just went through this with my cousin.
She said I want evidence so I can believe.
Tinrib my mother knows I believe in god, I’ve just hardened my heart. *sighs* It just shows the poison of religion.
@@trishayamada807 oh dear... Let them pray for us. We can think for them
Tinrib excellent! ⭐️
Some Christians hate the burden of proof more than the devil 👿
Roy Baines
Because the burden of proof kills their religion. No one can prove the existence of God.
Gmac
They will try though............
@pathstogodbyfaithcom alright, I'll bite.
@pathstogodbyfaithcom faith is an unreliable path to truth
+pathstogodbyfaithcom "I can prove my God exist [sic] and the foolishness of atheism." Cool! Please lay it out for us. If you have an actual solid and convincing case then I will convert right now. I'd appreciate it very much if you're able to convert me -- I don't want to be burned alive for eternity which is what your loving god will do to me if he actually exists, so if he does exist then I'd like to know that so that I can offer up the appropriate amount of praise so as to end up in the clouds with a harp instead of in a lake of fire.
“Unless you believe EVERYTHING I tell you, you can’t have a worldview”
Psychotic…
If the best proof for the Universe's most powerful being is only arrived at by word play, I'm unimpressed.
I'm glad somebody said it.
Imagine if that's how medicine worked.
Presup doctor: I've cured cancer.
Medical Board: Holy shit, how?!
Presup doctor: Well, if the word "cure" has a letter c and "cancer" does too, then that means that cancer could not logically exist anymore.
@@newwaveknight1 That sounds like "why are there still monkeys if we evolved from apes?" :D
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
@@paulgemme6056 Nice faith you have there, would be a shame if you'd need to demonstrate it mirrors reality in any way, shape or form.
I always imagine these people absolutely pumped after a bible study thinking “Today’s the day I’m gonna call”
😅😅 i wana be a fly on the wall in this scenario
Makes me wonder how they feel afterward…!
@@Nocturnalux the same. They got to "challenge" their already self-affirmed faith.
The theist says, "There's a unicorn in the parking lot".
The atheist responds, "I don't believe you... show me"
The theist says, "You can't even be 100% sure there even is a carpark".
The atheist responds, "What the hell are you talking about?".
The theist says, "Why are you atheists always so angry?.
Repeat.
It's amazing how simple pushback to an assertion can completely tank a Christians argument.
I'm sick of hearing the term "atheistic world view".
Still sounds better to honest people than Christian world view.
@@roder51 I swear Christians invented the term worldview. The whole concept of denying reality is weird
DerickE it’s sounds stupid because the only world view atheist share is that they don’t believe in a god or gods
Me too. Some people who identify as "Atheist" will claim to still be "Spiritual" which for me is just another world of amorphus woo-woo
For the last damn time my being an atheist means I don't believe a god exists. That's it.
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool". - Mark Twain
@Viktor Tandofsky You got any source for 93% or is it a number pulled out of your ass?
Modern humans aren’t all fools but rather indoctrinated from childhood, if we stopped teaching kids about religion the idea of god would fade away
Twain didn't say that.
It was in a mirror and yes it worked.
@@fossilfountain Czech republic is proof of that.
We should make it compulsory to show atheist experience shows in all the Christian schools.
He NEVER EVER answered anything, he just kept making assertions!
@David Cowan Hah! Just the sort of response you'd expect from someone making extraordinary claims without evidence who is simply asked: "What Reasoning gets you to your assertions?"
The response to such a simple question is always deflection and projection.....but NEVER an equally simple answer.....which invariably is: "I have not used Reasoning to get to my assertion."
@David Cowan instead of bashing atheists shouldn't you be selling your daughter into slavery? (Exodus 21:7)
@@DiMadHatter I'll buy her. I'm gentle
@David Cowan my atheism has nothing to do with science. It is predicated on the fact that theists haven't presented any evidence to support their god claim.
@David Cowan because believing something without evidence is gullibility, which is more weak minded than using reason and logic based on facts about reality. You can cling to your fairy tales all you want, while i stick to what is actually real.
This caller is not listening to anything or anyone. He is merely waiting to make the next fallacious, unfounded assertion.
„Logic in the Christian position“? That is the biggest oxymoron on in existence
I'd argue that it's up there with _"Acceptance_ in the Wasteland Cult position," but... yeah...
Never fails, they call with such gusto. One question from Matt and they’re done.
Matt, I’ll tell you this:
Your job is truly a hard one. And...once again, I now, by watching your show understand once again, that there can be no harder job than dealing with pure ignorance.
And this is exactly what you’ve been doing.
Wilful ignorance at that.
But it's great that Matt can call it out,.and perhaps even see into the human quality of this psychological distortion.
I found this caller to be exceptionally distorted in his thinking. Despite his evident intelligence, he could not allow himself to see that he was working from completely fabricated, artificial, premises.
I could likewise assert that π is the integer 3, and that everybody knows this, and that these are simply brute facts. But doubling down on those assertions doesn't make them any more correct. It doesn't even make them potential candidates for correctness.
Not being able to see this is a terrible distortion. It's tragic, really: a life wasted in service of avoiding the simple investigation of truth.
I don't expect Matt or any other host to judge the moment perfectly, but here I think that he may well have been right in cutting off the caller at the moment of his circular argument. It could have planted the important though uncomfortable thought: what if I'm wrong? What if I've built a house of cards? How do I determine what is and isn't true?
Because that was the subject of the call, after all, it's just that the caller hadn't ever really thought about his own epistemology. Matt has. Why? Because he was once as deluded as the caller, and for equally bad reasons. Yet it is possible to think oneself out of this particular delusion. Mostly it just takes honesty, and a certain amount of courage, to keep asking questions until the pieces come together.
“It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.”
-- Thomas Paine
I was a theist until I was about 30 (I'm 33 now). Why? Because I hadn't heard any debates or arguments about the existence of a god. When I discovered secular arguments against gods, I immediately started down the path to atheism. I just can't understand how some people can reject a logical argument & stick with what has already been debunked & refuted. It doesn't make sense.
You just learned that your reasoning is flawed. Why the hell would you continue to use that reasoning?
In other words, I don't know how it's possible for the believers who call in to this show, to remain believers.
You just proved prophecy with your comment, of believers falling away in the last days and going to HELL.
@Dan Ryan when your standing before God Almighty you'll be singing a different song . Who knows it could be today.
@Dan Ryan thank you so much for sharing that with me. I get it now it's like this you're heading for Hell without Jesus as your Saviour! There how's that? Hahaha dude you think I'm worried about grammar, misspellings, or even correct punctuation? Not! Hahaha its called communication you know exactly what I meant and it's no worse than lol, BTW, etc. You want correctness try this : his name is Jesus and he is the only way.
So tank u fur da cumplaminnt I sho do preshate iyut partnah.
@Dan Ryan you just don't get it do you?
Its not a competition its your life!
Fella your not alive because you're this or that you're alive because God is long-suffering and that's the only reason. I hope and pray that one day you give your life to Jesus and I see you in Heaven.
@Dan Ryan you'll see.
Funny how the believers can’t answer easy questions and can’t show evidence... EVER!
rnss22 that's because you dorfs don't give any input to what kind of evidence you want. the burden of proof is on us, well input from you might help.
@@rapidriver7504 Are you freakin' deaf? The burden of education is on you. Go back to High School and work on that.
@@rapidriver7504 Here is some input...why should anyone give any credibility to the Bible?
They are waiting for the last episode
@@rapidriver7504 your God would know what evidence we need since he is all knowing. Nothing has happened. Either he isn't real or doesn't want me to know he exists.
I have a B.A. in Philosophy and I can honestly say, this is one of the greatest shows/forums of philosophical and religious debate in human history! 👍😀🙏
Matt’s monologue at the end of this clip was spot on, it hit too close to home. 😭 Love the show!
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
@@paulgemme6056
No, you're just deluded.
I'm sorry to say that, because it means that you have even more work to do than if you'd simply been ignorant, starting from scratch as we all must do at first. But, alas, you've gone off and invested in delusion. Now, like a gambling addict, you think that you can't afford to give it all up and start over.
@@paulgemme6056 Do you usually waste your time, consuming things that you don't enjoy?
You should call in and get your ass handed to you like this oblivious caller did. What a weak jewish fairy tale...
Oh, well. Thanks for the view and feedback. Makes logic more relevant. We'll be *thinking* for you. Ta-ta.
@paul gemme Your making a feelgood argument. The flying unicorn from Andromada offered me infinite life as well as a cookie, so using your logic, I'm a unicornian.
@@paulgemme6056 if all god is for you is a device to make you feel warm and fuzzy about a scary thing like death, that’s pretty weak and your god (if it were true) knows that.
So if another holy book, from another religion, makes the claim that nonbelievers are actually believers would you accept that?
"No"
Next caller
ED 209 being a believer doesn't come from a book. being a believer comes from Jesus Christ changing you from within. faith comes by hearing, and hearing of the word of God,. whether you hear someone read the word out loud or you read the word out loud to yourself.
@@rapidriver7504 Prove it
@Rapid River
Tell a muslim or a jew that they are only a believer if they believe in jesus.
@@rapidriver7504 You can swap out "Jesus Christ" with literally anything else like a theological Mad Lib and it would make just as much or as little sense. Being a believer comes from Allah changing you from within. Being a believer comes from the spirit of Vishnu changing you from within. Being a believer comes from Zarathustra changing you from within. Being a believer comes from my pet goldfish changing you from within.
Rapid River you don’t yet Beerus into your life but you know in your heart that Beerus is real. And you are just denying your true feelings about Beerus
Want to continue this game
He is very intellectually dishonest.
welcome to the Christian dogma...
Wrong, he's neither. He's no intellect & to be dishonest, he has to be able to recognize an honest position.
@emil engen
you didnt define "he", am i really the only one asking this? everyone else commenting just "already knows" who "he" is!
Yes, but at the same time he is not very intellectual.
@David Cowan Dave, you sound like an idiot. Atheists get upset when we hear about our elected officials making their decisions based on their asinine religious beliefs. We also get upset when we find out that christians want to teach creationism in school, because evolution is "just a theory"! We are not wasting our time Dave because you know what? The atheist population is growing and growing! You know why? Because we are right, and not everybody has their head up their ass like you.
"If your worldview doesn't come from the bible then its incoherent. " Wow....
The arrogance of these callers is abysmal. To think that they are true, with a mountain of conflicting evidence against them both from the existence of other religions and other beliefs and the contradictions in the Bible itself.
This guy comes straight out of Gary Milne's (Darth Dawkins, EF, evolution falls) presup circlejerk discord room. Glaring example of Dunning-Kruger arrogance mixed with nearly no self-awareness.
And some added religious arrogance that Christians knows what everybody in this world believes ... Haha, what a joke.
@@yuuseir3391 The thing that’s always baffled me if WHO WANTS A GOD TO REWARD SUCH BULLSHIT?!
I enjoy the Gary show on Tom rabbit TH-cam show lol
I wish people would stop being so afraid to die and be more courageous to live.
(Without the crutch of an imaginary man in the sky that they think helps them).
I think that's the problem, some people are scared of dieing therefore God nonsense!
@@1ofhis518
Wrong.
The only thing I worry about is enduring extreme pain and suffering until the second I die.
Not death.
You are completely wrong.
@@1ofhis518
I'm finished discussing this with you
if all you're gonna do is push your god nonsense without addressing what I'm talking about and call me a liar. I told you that I do not fear death.
I fear pain and suffering while I'm alive.
And I'm just as moral as any other person on the planet. No god required.
Go troll somewhere else.
@@1ofhis518
Deuteronomy 25:11-1,
You can kill a woman if she seizes a man't private parts without permission.
"If two men are fighting and the wife of one of the them to rescue her husband from his assailnant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."
THIS IS A WEIRD GOD YOU BELIEVE IN.
@@1ofhis518Um, no, I don't wanna turn to your god because there's no proof of him existing. Why don't you believe in all the other gods?
That caller is absolutely disconnected from any form of intellect..
Don seams like an objectively happy guy I don't think I have ever seen him angry while watching the show
I've been watching this show for YEARS and I am yet to see a theist actually make any sense and not get made to look like a fool! Why do they call in! lol
@Bob Smith You try talking to numb skulls year after year who are trying to prove that a God exists! Ignorant religious people pushing their idiotic 'beliefs' down the throat of society! I do agree with your comment about why people bother debating Mat and the team. I mean, how does one enter a debate with zero evidence to support their claims????? lol
Bunny, meet buzz saw. Buzz saw....bunny. Rinse. Repeat.
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
If that pantheon were genuine and they had an honest offer for mankind, they should send a message that is unmistakably divine in origin and present an offer or miracle that reasonably makes sense. But they don't.
@@balrozgul705 That genuine, honest offer lived on this earth and was nailed to a Roman cross, shed his blood as a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. He (Jesus Christ) was buried and three days later walked out of the grave alive (death could not hold him down). Most people rejected his offer then and most people reject his offer now. The greatest gift ever offered to mankind. The gift of eternal life (to know God/Jesus Christ - the creator of all things). No religion needed. Just faith (believing the gospel of Grace). Faith plus nothing.
"There's an orange in that box".
How do I know there's an orange in there?
You said I can't question it's in there...
"Well, you can't have a box,
without an orange."
Sye loves them oranges
An orange already exists. Name me something that does not exist?
When the caller I Q is less than 10 hang up
Oh lord. My brain hurts. I thought you wrote "caller id"
Call on Jesus my friend.
There wouldn't be much of a talk show then.
@@1ofhis518 Here you are, BAC soldier, mouthing the god-words and expecting...what? That rational and intelligent people who were not raised with some god story beaten into them on momma's knee are going to hear your words and "see the light" about your god (whichever one that might be)?
You know a better way to spend your time? Find some evidence of your god, because if you did that, you'd convert every atheist under the sun.
@@1ofhis518 I did,he is my landscaper
5:24 is a perfect example of a caller making a sound of agreement even though they dont understand what the host has said
"I'm right cause I know that I'm right"
How do you know that you're right?
"Cause I'm right"
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
@@paulgemme6056 Atheists have HOPE that one day we can create a beautiful world where ALL, that's right, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON are able to live as they are and be happy. Where no one has privilege over another because of something as arbitrary and trivial as color, age, race, genitals, etc.
We place our trust in people, because they're ACTUALLY EXISTANT and their trustworthiness can be estimated, unlike your god who can't answer prayers at a better rate than pure dumb fucking luck.
You seem nice enough, even if preachy and condescending. There is still hope for you too. Let go of your hateful ways, your "sin" as you call it, and accept that no one is perfect... AND THATS OKAY! I don't need a holy blood bath to forgive me for my wrong doing; I apologize to those I've wronged and can either be forgiven or not. It's not necessary to go around calling yourself a sinner, or worse, others.
This world is a complex one. Why break it down to an oversimplified digestibly boring fairytale?
wow,this one was difficult to listen to...but I did...and now I am a little more stupid for it.
But listening to Matt's explanation at the end makes up for it and overall, I'd call it a net gain :)
I experienced the same thing. I had to binge watch science to feel like myself again.
Well, then John's call was a success after all. It is their goal to make us all as stupid as they are.
@Mike Smith I'm fucking begging you... SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW!
I use the garage fire analogy. Is it possible a fire is starting in your garage? Yes. Would a fire in your garage be something you need to know? Yes. So why aren't you in your garage looking for a fire? Because there is no evidence my garage is on fire. Atheists are not claiming your garage is or is not on fire. There is no reason to check your garage for fires unless there is evidence it is.
ah, but Garbage, or any fire created in a case of compacted c and endothermic( I think that's the correct term here) materials, like a trash fire,can be at work, but not apparent. That's how we go from high temps and pressures to actual fire, without it being noticed....better is a forest fire lit by lightning, or by solar focus or off a muffler....all cases where there is no flame until ignition. And they are almost always accompanied by noticeable signs of it Sorry, I live in a fire prone state, and Dad worked for the fire dept....
...no, we just can’t see the fire because we’re not open to seeing the fire. If you pray, and repent, the fire will reveal itself to you.
Apparently.
@@barkYdarkATFB Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
@@paulgemme6056 atheists have hope of many things.
Telling you that you’re worthless, and telling you there’s only one way out of that worthlessness is not one of them.
That’s religion’s MO.
Edit: more specifically, that’s christianity’s MO. 🙄
John: "Lets go to logic then" He hasn't been close the whole video, hilarious.
Rejecting an assertion =/= asserting the negation
That guy was calling from the Westboro Baptist Church’s hometown
Samuel Holbrook That guy was calling from a crack house. *sniff, sniff*
So Westboro
Honestly, that means nothing. I am also from Topeka, and we all hate the Westboro clan as much as anyone.
@@dsteenbock Yeah. We're in Augusta and I know virtually anyone that thinks Westboro are okay.
not enough blind damnation and hate for any others to be such....its a hallmark.
I don't think we're in Kansas any more Toto.
John in Topeka: "I've got an eightball, a phone, fifteen minutes to kill, and no arguments. Let's goooo!"
Don actually made a good point about Matt's "that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" ... Snotty caller: "What is the proof of that?" Don: "we're not going to waste our time, that is the evidence." -He's right. They can simply say he's talking rubbish and hang up on him. That proves what Matt said :)
I wish I could Express myself as well as Matt
This is my favorite Matt Dillahunty clip. Christianity (along with other religions), tries to put people on the defensive by saying that something is wrong with us from a devine perspective. I had never thought of it as a defense mechanism before.
This whole video is a good watch, but jumping to 10:43 is the start to of the rebuttal.
@Chris Stols with respect, I highly suspect, and I would bet a trillion dollars, that the personal relationship proposed by some Christians, is actually a relationship with themselves. And the afterlife is wishful thinking.
I think one of the primary joys of listening to Matt take on a presupp is the surgical precision with which he exposes the nature of pressup logic; akin to a centrifuge separating its narrative from its anatomy...exposing its circular shape for even the lay people to clearly see by the end.
John is one of the great thinkers of our time !
Damn, his curricular arguments maked me dizzy!
Yeah and how about those circular ones too!
I personally like his extracurricular arguments better, they involve a lot of cocaine
This is what happens when one posts a comment, but can't spell, forgetting grammar that was once known and doesn't proof what was typed. Sorry about that.
@@AthenaSchroedinger No harm done, Athena. No one is trashing your misspelling as some major faux pas-we’re just making stupid little puns out of it 😊
@@ZhangK71 Pun all you want! :D
I wish you guys would play Benny Hill music over top of the call like this. They would be infinitely entertaining.
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
Yet another caller who never had any intention of having an honest discussion.
Excellent episode. When Matt is at his best, as here, he reveals one of the finest analytical minds going.
I have a headache from beating my head against the wall .
@Chris Stols Then he needs to use reason .
I thank God everyday for Matt❤️
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
~ Thank you, Matt and Don, for even making trolls palatable. Three years later, and TAE still interesting and listenable.
Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
God reveals himself if you are in the right state of mind.
Sounds like an endorsement of LSD.
Nothing wrong with LSD if you do it ethically.
This caller legit has brain damage to some degree.
Super Dad what’s funny, you now have taken on the burden of proof.
@@gsnaponfire uhh... he's calling from _Topeka..._ y'know, WBC?
Sean D.G that doesn’t prove he has brain damage. Unless there is something I’m not aware of causing brain damage in Topeka Kansas?
@@gsnaponfire WBC=Westboro Baptist Church. How is _that_ not brain damage?
He sounded like he was doing a bunch of coke. Gacking, snorting and sniffing ever couple seconds. Coked-up for god. 😂
I truly admire the patience and restraint those two are showing, but I think that Matt should have adopted the
"You're DONE!"
method in this one too and especially right after the caller answered with
"The BuyBull, that is where from I get my FACTS "
lol
BTW;
Mozlims believe that everyone is born a Muslim then gets demographically converted.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- Voltaire
The thumbnail makes it look like Matt’s gunna explain the birds and the bees to the caller 😂
I want to like this video twice. Thank you guys so mich! I hope to call in one day
I know nothing about God, the actual God.
I've been told about God and I've read about God, but I'm none the wiser.
God is not available for inspection, so I have no way of checking what I've learned.
I have the same problem with fairies. I cannot talk to Tinkerbell.
@Chris Stols a god revealed itself to you? What's it like? Please describe it so we know what to look for.
Well, I talked to tinkerbell. It cost me a lot of money. But she was worth every penny.
@Ian Reyn
When God revealed his backside to Moses, how did Moses know it was the actual God ?
Did he have any distinguishing marks ? Could it have been an imposter ?
(Exodus 33:23)
John makes statements that are so mind numbing and broken I can't watch this whole episode. Holy Crap!
I believe that this guy is one of Darth Dawkin's acolytes, probably calling into the show to "test" the waters before DD tries to call in.
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
I think that guy has a couple of pages stuck together.
"i don't believe what you're saying"
"nuh-huh"
...brilliant
Maybe the "God reveals himself" bit was initially meant to warn us all that there was a flasher back in the day. Makes as much sense as many. lol
Thank you Matt. For your honesty, clarity and general decency. You tell the truth and cannot abide, as I can’t , people who believe lies! Your good deeds will not go unrewarded. I hope! Thank you once again.
The sleep of reason brings forth monsters
John moved during the call. He went from to Tokeka to Topeka.
One of the best Matt Dillahunty moments by far!
It should also be pointed out that just because a world view claims to have an monopoly on something does not mean that world view does actually have monopoly on that something.
So when presups assert that only their world view covers objective morality does not mean that the their world view does only cover objective morality.
I’m starting to see a pattern here with these callers.
I just love these two!
" that is which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
" what's evidence for that?"
The fact that there's no obligation to disprove what isn't proven, is the evidence for that
Oh, the days before on screen pro-nouns. What joy.
After the caller was gone, the final statement by Matt was so awesome -and true!
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
@@paulgemme6056 Spam mission?
Must be god's plan. Or you're a bot.
@@thetavibes9021 Eternal life - to know God our Maker/Creator the giver and sustainer of life. Salvation comes only by grace through faith.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(Ephesains2:8,9)
Matthew 16:26
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Unbelief is the only reason one's soul will go to hell. Eternity is a long time.
@@paulgemme6056 Faith isn't a virtue.
Faith is gullibility.
@@paulgemme6056 Didn't think so.
I agree with practically everything Matt and the rest of them say, and I certainly don't disagree with them on principle. My only constructive criticism, gun to head if I had to pick one, is that he interrupts them a bit too often. Yes they interrupt him as well... But one of my favorite things to do when debating someone who you KNOW is wrong is to let them speak a bit more so you can use their words against them. I know Matt does do this all the time, and it's his show, so he can do as he likes. Sometimes I'd want to hear them go on a bit longer to give themselves even more rope to hang themselves with. But that's my 2 cents. This whole show is a positive force for mankind. Great job.
In my opinion it's not a matter of available time or even courtesy.....the point of interrupting is that almost all arguments presented for theism are based upon one fallacy or another......and there is no point in letting such arguments proceed when they are being launched from a flawed or fallacious launchpad..
People are so accustomed to proceeding from these bad premises without challenge that it seems jarring when someone properly trained to spot them says "Stop......I can't let you build a framework from that starting point or from that foundation."
That's the whole point.......and if you find that your 10 best arguments cannot even get off the ground, let alone proceed to a valid structure.....let alone a proper conclusion.....then perhaps that is a lesson worth taking to heart.
When it comes to debating logic, Matt is unbeatable!
Damn straight
I second this
So what the caller is saying is: I believe that invisible fairies exist and that everyone else also believes in them, and if anyone tries to say otherwise, they have to prove it.
Circular apologetics bullshit Hahaha
John the sniffer should use tissue before arguing and discussing.
Thank you for trying to reason with this guy !
John, do you believe there are underpants gnomes under your bed?
John: No
Yes you do.
John: no i don't
Prove you dont believe the underpants gnome
Because my barble says its true, and my preacher told me that its true because its in the barble
I’ve accepted the pink unicorn that farts pixie dust as my lord and savior. Also is he snorting something?
The caller is not even listening, he's just waiting to respond.
This episode ive watched for a few times and it is nothing but smart logical over kill by Matt and Dan ! 🙂
It stuns me that people just don't seem to grasp the logic presented by Matt and Don.
I mean... Okay. Sometimes thinking is *hard*. >; )
(But FFS - At least give it a TRY!)
Gentle =/= Condescending
Condescending is also a poor starting point if you think that logic isn't the proper basis for such examinations (or conversations around such).
I'm sure you think you're being gentle. But, as with pigeons and chess, all that comes off like is strutting around, crapping on the board, and still believing you've "won the game", so to speak.
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
Oh boy. I feel sorry for the guy. It's not a matter of whether I believe in a god or not, just that he seems to be incapable of thinking rationally and logically, which has brought us to this point.
Atheists offer no hope. God/Jesus offers Eternal life. I'll take God's/Jesus' offer. So grateful for God's love. To offer a sinner like me the free gift of eternal life.
@@paulgemme6056 Okay.
I got an ad for annointed oils lol
This one should be earmarked as a classic.
A video with the comments left on, whats this sorcery?
God let it happen duh. How else would we be allowed to comment?
Clorox Bleach I agree. LOL.
Every one I've seen has them on
@@davidoshea5598 Well, for many years, Matt has disabled comments for all of his videos.
Eyetoobur I don’t think this is Matt’s video.... he is just one of the hosts of the show.
What a Poisoned mind, it's really sad
Burden of proof is not an atheist thing ,it is a rational thing.
One of the best conversations.
Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because...
Presuppositionism is one of the most dishonest and most idiotic position you can have, especially when you're someone like this one pulling a Sye Ten.
That was a pretty good example of a circular argument.
Good ole Don. I miss that guy.