All of this mileage from that original recording, and the creator probably died forgotten and penniless. Hell, there was no mention of his name in this video celebrating his contribution to history.
Agreed. If I am picky I am hearing little too much room on the remake. Could be as a result of the extra clarity of the newer recording? Maybe just add some fluff with some saturation/tape/distortion plugins? Either way, stunning recreation!
Second set up nailed it. Brought back memories of Luke Vibert's Drum n' Bass for Papa (released under the name Plug), by far the best DnB album I've ever heard and a must-hear imo.
There. Straight from the source. Rodney Mills, who was the engineer: "...Amen, Brother was recorded to an Ampex 440 1/2 inch 4track tape recorder. Bass & Drums were on 1 track, Horns were overdubbed to a separate trk, instruments(Guitar, Organ) were on aseparate trks. I'm pretty sure I would have used all 4 tracks. Tape machine was set to 15ips(inches per second)speed. Mixing whould have gone to an Ampex Mono machine for radio and an Ampex stereo machine for single sales to the public. The producer was Don Carroll, who was a record promotion man for major labels before he took up producing. Don definitely wanted feedback from everyone before he made final decisions on things. Emory Gordy was instrumental with arrangements and lending a helping hand to Don.The Publisher for both sides was Johnny Bee-"Holly Music" named after his daughter. Johnny also managed the band I played in throughout the 60's called "The Bushmen" Recording was done at LeFevre Sound in Atlanta GA, 1969. The studio was a pretty live recording environment so it was a little tricky to get good presence on the drums without other instruments leaking onto the drum tracks or drums bleeding on other instrument tracks. Microphones used on the drums would have been a Neumann U87 on overheads (we had recently switched from the Telefunken 47's to get the latest Neumann mikes), an Altec 633 on Kick drum, an RCA Bk-5 on snare(a ribbon mike that could handle loud volume). At that time we had very few dynamic microphones. Bass would have been direct(no amp)The console was a custom 4 channel(Buss) console that had Langevin equalizers, Gotham audio faders, and no panning control. Stereo was still young at that time. I had been hired as engineer in 1968 and quit the band I had played in for 7 1/2 years to devote myself full time to develop engineering skills(if I had any!)..." m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1662341287205013&id=352202654885556&sfnsn=mo
@@ArtOfDrumming You're very welcome. There was a documentary about it on Dogs On Acid forum back in 2001 but that was since deleted. I've found his post by accident, while I was doing some research.
There are definitely two cymbals on the right in the original: a ride and crash which were mentioned in the video. They're next to each other and are in two separate--but close--places in the stereo field. That's if you want to be even closer of course.
Very cool video. I always liked that beat and wondered where it came from. Sounds great! You guys really inspired me to do my own drum videos. Thank you very much for the great content.
You've missed out one of the most important aspects of the Amen break....the way it sounds. The break itself is a fairly typical funk pattern, but played at pace. The reason it was used so much isn't just the pattern, but the fact that the break is played tight as fuck and sounds great. The compression, E.Q. and miking (all recorded to analogue tape) are what makes the break so good - which is why your rendition is accurate in terms of the actual drum pattern, but doesn't 'sound' like the original. Cool video though! You should check out Jungle Drummer for some live Jungle / DnB drumming too!
i agree its not identical, but in fairness ArtofDrumming spent more than half of the video explaining how they chose drums and mic'ing to recreate it as accurately as possible. you are making it sound like they just played the pattern on any old drum set. they did make the effort to do exactly what you are saying
Awesome vid, great attention to detail. But one question regarding the pitch of the original - to me it sounds an octave or two lower? Perhaps down to the RPM of which the vinyl was pressed or tempo played back.., perhaps even the vinyl material used? I honestly have never heard a true 100% acoustic replication of the original break..
I came her after watching the last show of fashion designer Virgil Abloh, who was also involved in music and named his show “Amen break “ as a tribute to the original creators but also as a way to demonstrate, very effectively btw, how artistic inspiration and “ ownership “ of ideas has always been nearly impossible to pin down, as in fact , the creative process , especially regarding inspiration, has plenty to do with “ appropriating “ an idea or sound you like and making it your own , or having it have your personal signature by transforming it slightly into how YOU would have created it , sometimes turning it into something very different . Thus blurring the lines of what is “ copying “ ( taking someone else’s idea and using it without adding or substracting anything that would “transform “ it into something uniquely yours ) and “inspiration”( taking an idea and , in your view , making it better or different and unique. I remember being a child and always hearing how famous American mobile sculpture Alexander Calder , legend has it , first came up with the idea of his mobiles while , supposedly, watching a painting by Piet Mondrian , the famous colorist abstract painter ) and saying to himself: “ this would be so much cooler if the colors could move” and then when on to create floating panels of color that moved in his mobiles …. Very interesting video . Congrats !
This Pearl picollo 13x3 brass snare is dope even tuned low. Excellent recreation guys you nailed it. The analog distortion along the recording/pressing chain is missing and it shows how good it may have sounded in the room before deterioration. Amen!
i think any drummer should check out breakcore! that genre of sampled drums is seriously fun to chew on. Frictional Nevada by Venetian Snares and o'er the flood by goreshit are amazing
Great work. Love this video. I have been mixing since the early 90s and always loved the amen break. It doesn't sound like real drums. When I heard the original song, I was stunned. But this does sound like areal drums. Must be the recording of the original that gives it that sound.
I've tried all different plugins on it to get it more accurate, saturation/tape emulation/compression ect and chopped the best parts, when I slow it down a few octaves it sounds just like it but at dnb tempo it still hasn't quite got that unreal drum sound but its really good to layer with kicks n snares
When the break is sampled in Jungle, or more latterly dnb, it's not 'sped up'. The sample audio is chopped into it's constituent hits, and then using the gaps between those, and MIDI sequencing, triggered at a higher tempo, also known as quantizing (ish). If the record you are listening to is also pitched up, it's because the producer did exactly that - pitched it up, which all samplers can also do. It's not just because the turntables are on +8 pitch.
@@ArtOfDrumming Thank you a lot! I learned so much in the courses on your website! Great stuff over there and really user-friendly with a good layout and interface!
fantastic video! have used this break in about 70% of my tunes. but to see it done live is really cool. your hats sound spot on like the original. as an old skool junglist I was very impresseed with this video. really well made, edited, and shot well. i might sample your break now, it's better than original.
What you can't recreate unfortunately are the mic's from that time and most importantly - the amps for the mics and the tape where the whole thing was recorded on. And apparently these make the whole Amen sound complete. The Amen break is epic. It gave birth to multiple music genres which helped the mankind to go completely nuts and taught us all a lesson in keeping it simple, analogue and funky.
Fun fact: you can play the amen break at the beginning of Heavy Dirty Soul by 21 pilots. But I hope you will cover it with the same kit and one Low Tom.
hi i don't mean to sound pedantic but the amen break is not used in firestarter. to my knowledge the only track on fat of the land that uses the amen break is minefields. the main break in firestarter came from a sample cd that was popular at the time but i forget the name
@@Pigeon-envelope Yup, no Amen at all in Firestarter - in fact, off the top of my head, I can't think of any Prodigy tracks that use the Amen break (early albums - I didn't really listen to the last 2 albums!)
@@breakfreak3181 it's in minefields defo. I was sad enough to check after posting the above 😂 it's mixed in behind the main break during the really heavy sections
haha that's awesome! Do you know of any electronic drum modules that will synthesize these (I'm particularly interested in the Jungle tuned kit)? I say synthesized because I don't want to use samples (in order to get that real, acoustic feel).
Would there be any chance of getting a high-quality audio version of these recordings? Or is that a copyright issue? It would be free and not for commercial use, which I imagine helps.
i last heard the amen break listening to a breakcore album, but that’s too easy, so the ultrakill ost. also, no recognition for slowed down amen break?
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All of this mileage from that original recording, and the creator probably died forgotten and penniless. Hell, there was no mention of his name in this video celebrating his contribution to history.
You are more right than you think. Gregory C Coleman was homeless when he died in 2006
@@frexion8374 too bad.
For real. @artofdrumming shame on yall. Show some respect. Music happens from people not in a vacuum. Respect the creators
@@frexion8374 Although there was a campaign to raise money for him posthumously. Not enough, I know, but still.
actually a huge community of people in the jungle scene raised money for the band recently
Thanx, man. People always forget about the sound of the amen break in their tutorials. But it's so essential to this icon drumloop.
Thanks 🙏
You absolutely nailed the tone and feel, it sounds almost exactly like the original. I actually think it sounds better since the recording is crisper.
Thanks so much 🙏☺️
Agreed. If I am picky I am hearing little too much room on the remake. Could be as a result of the extra clarity of the newer recording? Maybe just add some fluff with some saturation/tape/distortion plugins? Either way, stunning recreation!
Well... its much cleaner. So in my view no where near as good haha
To be fair the tone of the drums is pretty good just need all what noise and saturation to get it bang on
So cool that you did the original and the sped up dnb versions! Both are cool in their own ways
Thanks 🙏
Second set up nailed it. Brought back memories of Luke Vibert's Drum n' Bass for Papa (released under the name Plug), by far the best DnB album I've ever heard and a must-hear imo.
Thanks 🙏
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IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD!!!
@@tomaspiso it's all in my head
Yeah!
Why can you comment audio lol
Jesus.. I thought he was Marlon not Marlin
heard this in some great breakcore tracks, and honestly its just amazing
You absolutely nailed it. The tuning was on point for both versions
Obviously a lot of people commenting haven't heard a lot of James Brown tracks featuring Stubblefield and Starks from the mid 60s.
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Clyde was on *fire* at this time. Used to go hear him in a local blues band in the 90s, he was still smoking!!!
There. Straight from the source. Rodney Mills, who was the engineer:
"...Amen, Brother was recorded to an Ampex 440 1/2 inch 4track tape recorder. Bass & Drums were on 1 track, Horns were overdubbed to a separate trk, instruments(Guitar, Organ) were on aseparate trks. I'm pretty sure I would have used all 4 tracks. Tape machine was set to 15ips(inches per second)speed. Mixing whould have gone to an Ampex Mono machine for radio and an Ampex stereo machine for single sales to the public.
The producer was Don Carroll, who was a record promotion man for major labels before he took up producing. Don definitely wanted feedback from everyone before he made final decisions on things. Emory Gordy was instrumental with arrangements and lending a helping hand to Don.The Publisher for both sides was Johnny Bee-"Holly Music" named after his daughter. Johnny also managed the band I played in throughout the 60's called "The Bushmen"
Recording was done at LeFevre Sound in Atlanta GA, 1969. The studio was a pretty live recording environment so it was a little tricky to get good presence on the drums without other instruments leaking onto the drum tracks or drums bleeding on other instrument tracks. Microphones used on the drums would have been a Neumann U87 on overheads (we had recently switched from the Telefunken 47's to get the latest Neumann mikes), an Altec 633 on Kick drum, an RCA Bk-5 on snare(a ribbon mike that could handle loud volume). At that time we had very few dynamic microphones. Bass would have been direct(no amp)The console was a custom 4 channel(Buss) console that had Langevin equalizers, Gotham audio faders, and no panning control. Stereo was still young at that time. I had been hired as engineer in 1968 and quit the band I had played in for 7 1/2 years to devote myself full time to develop engineering skills(if I had any!)..."
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Thanks so much for sharing this!
@@ArtOfDrumming You're very welcome. There was a documentary about it on Dogs On Acid forum back in 2001 but that was since deleted. I've found his post by accident, while I was doing some research.
Well glad you found this and thanks for doing the research
I used this in a lot of my songs, it is such a catchy drum rhythm.
That's actually better than I expected. A lot of drummers are technically perfect, but don't have the feel. You are 99% there bro! ❤️
There are definitely two cymbals on the right in the original: a ride and crash which were mentioned in the video. They're next to each other and are in two separate--but close--places in the stereo field. That's if you want to be even closer of course.
Drumming: the very definition of multitasking.
Very cool video. I always liked that beat and wondered where it came from. Sounds great!
You guys really inspired me to do my own drum videos. Thank you very much for the great content.
Thanks for your feedback and great to hear that you are getting into creating your own videos!
Keep it up and have fun filming yourself 🥳
Outstanding work. I can't believe I'm just discovering this channel for the first time today. It's a gold mine!
Best rendition I've heard. Most don't even try to get the correct drum sounds.
This is fantastic. Do you have any high res audio files for this that I could download please?
Eyeless by Slipknot is the one that I can easily recognize
This is amazing! Any chance you could share the drum recording for us to sample and keep the cycle going? :)
This is very informative and sounds amazing!!
Thanks a lot 🙌🏻
single mic, behind drummer's head, is the one for the Amen. brother, you could groove in it more - feel it yo!
Waw ! It sounds very similar to the amen break ! 😃
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You've missed out one of the most important aspects of the Amen break....the way it sounds. The break itself is a fairly typical funk pattern, but played at pace. The reason it was used so much isn't just the pattern, but the fact that the break is played tight as fuck and sounds great. The compression, E.Q. and miking (all recorded to analogue tape) are what makes the break so good - which is why your rendition is accurate in terms of the actual drum pattern, but doesn't 'sound' like the original. Cool video though! You should check out Jungle Drummer for some live Jungle / DnB drumming too!
🙏
i agree its not identical, but in fairness ArtofDrumming spent more than half of the video explaining how they chose drums and mic'ing to recreate it as accurately as possible. you are making it sound like they just played the pattern on any old drum set. they did make the effort to do exactly what you are saying
Awesome vid, great attention to detail. But one question regarding the pitch of the original - to me it sounds an octave or two lower? Perhaps down to the RPM of which the vinyl was pressed or tempo played back.., perhaps even the vinyl material used? I honestly have never heard a true 100% acoustic replication of the original break..
I came her after watching the last show of fashion designer Virgil Abloh, who was also involved in music and named his show “Amen break “ as a tribute to the original creators but also as a way to demonstrate, very effectively btw, how artistic inspiration and “ ownership “ of ideas has always been nearly impossible to pin down, as in fact , the creative process , especially regarding inspiration, has plenty to do with “ appropriating “ an idea or sound you like and making it your own , or having it have your personal signature by transforming it slightly into how YOU would have created it , sometimes turning it into something very different . Thus blurring the lines of what is “ copying “ ( taking someone else’s idea and using it without adding or substracting anything that would “transform “ it into something uniquely yours ) and “inspiration”( taking an idea and , in your view , making it better or different and unique.
I remember being a child and always hearing how famous American mobile sculpture Alexander Calder , legend has it , first came up with the idea of his mobiles while , supposedly, watching a painting by Piet Mondrian , the famous colorist abstract painter ) and saying to himself: “ this would be so much cooler if the colors could move” and then when on to create floating panels of color that moved in his mobiles …. Very interesting video . Congrats !
Clearly Virgil learned this from Kanye.
This video just made my day. amazing! What a great explanation. I will never get tired of this break it will live on forever.
Thanks, that's a great sound piece. I sampled it! Hope you enjoy it ;)
Great! Good balance of tech and playing! Thanks for this.
Thanks for your feedback 🙏
Ahhh the essence of break core and D&B
I always thought that ride cymbal crash was actually a splash on the hi hat. This video proved me entirely wrong. Well freaking done!
Thanks so much 🙏
Will sample this for sure!
This Pearl picollo 13x3 brass snare is dope even tuned low. Excellent recreation guys you nailed it. The analog distortion along the recording/pressing chain is missing and it shows how good it may have sounded in the room before deterioration. Amen!
i think any drummer should check out breakcore! that genre of sampled drums is seriously fun to chew on.
Frictional Nevada by Venetian Snares
and o'er the flood by goreshit are amazing
Doormouse!
The downside of Frictional Nevada is that the best part doesn't last at all tbh
"I think any chef should check out their meals being put in a meat grinder while someone is moaning in the background"
It’s worth noting that when the break was used in hip hop, the record was played at 33 1/3 instead of 45, which sounded much slower.
I know people been getting their samplers out on this vid for a bit over a month now. Thanks for making this video!
Thanks 🙏
first time I noticed this beat was on "The Mad Capsule Markets - Pulse"
That’s one helluva foot you’ve got there, mr. Drummer.
Thanks 🙏 peter!
Oooooo, what if this video were marked with a Creative Commons license so we could all sample it? Or if there were a link to buy a sample pack?
Great work. Love this video. I have been mixing since the early 90s and always loved the amen break. It doesn't sound like real drums. When I heard the original song, I was stunned. But this does sound like areal drums. Must be the recording of the original that gives it that sound.
I've tried all different plugins on it to get it more accurate, saturation/tape emulation/compression ect and chopped the best parts, when I slow it down a few octaves it sounds just like it but at dnb tempo it still hasn't quite got that unreal drum sound but its really good to layer with kicks n snares
Man you NAILED those Drumkits!! That was some tight drumming especially on the smaller kit HOTT DAMN!!
Thanks Brian!
Great video, nailed the sound and the feel was on point.
Thanks
Would really love a lossless download of your recordings here! Please share the love!
Cool video, but wow, dat Lego figure haircut @ 2:37 🤣
Up next; Dominic Howard's uprising drum sound from Muse!
Love his sound too. Thanks for the request.
great effort, doesn't sound like the Amen at all though tbh
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Thanks 🙏 blessings back to Singapore 🇸🇬!
Time to sample this amen break
Damn I thought only me had this idea. 😔🤣
Its always amazed me how much it sounds like a jazz drummer doing a half gogo beat tripping over, then catching it self. Is that what it is?
This beat is fucking magic! Nice video, bro, saludo from Russia 😊
Amen brother 👊🏻
That snare sound sounds crispy and fresh
Thanks 🙏
@@ArtOfDrumming lol amen sign and the song is called amen brother
Omg i love the kick sound so much
When the break is sampled in Jungle, or more latterly dnb, it's not 'sped up'. The sample audio is chopped into it's constituent hits, and then using the gaps between those, and MIDI sequencing, triggered at a higher tempo, also known as quantizing (ish). If the record you are listening to is also pitched up, it's because the producer did exactly that - pitched it up, which all samplers can also do. It's not just because the turntables are on +8 pitch.
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@@ArtOfDrumming The 'chopping' is also how you get all the crazy patterns in Jungle too. Once chopped, you can arrange the hits any way you want!
Its sped up, then chopped
Definitely sped up then chopped. The amen chopped and not pitched up sounds quite different.
Best I've heard yet!
Very well achieved sound! Congrats!!
Thanks 🙏 Pablo!
Unbelievable drumming and tuning. Really perfect sound!
Thanks a lot!
@@ArtOfDrumming Thank you a lot! I learned so much in the courses on your website! Great stuff over there and really user-friendly with a good layout and interface!
Thanks for mentioning that. We really do care about the user interface of pur website. Cool that this is recognized 😎
I absolutely love your first ride cymbal, it’s similar in sound to my 21” Sabian Manhattan Jazz
Yes, this is actually one we use quite often: 19“ Kerope
the fact that you pronounced it “Keropee” drives me bonkers though.
fantastic video! have used this break in about 70% of my tunes. but to see it done live is really cool. your hats sound spot on like the original. as an old skool junglist I was very impresseed with this video. really well made, edited, and shot well. i might sample your break now, it's better than original.
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Dude this page is awesome, subscribed!
Great, welcome to our channel
awesome video great drummer and sound
I don't know. It's like close, but doesn't have some groove. Probably achieved from some compressor or something
espectacular video, congratulation very tecnical thanks
What a Break!
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As always, superb work guys
Thanks 🙏
What you can't recreate unfortunately are the mic's from that time and most importantly - the amps for the mics and the tape where the whole thing was recorded on. And apparently these make the whole Amen sound complete. The Amen break is epic. It gave birth to multiple music genres which helped the mankind to go completely nuts and taught us all a lesson in keeping it simple, analogue and funky.
👍🏻
would it be ok if i sample the audio of the recreation of the amen break in this video? i will give credit if yes.
Nobody will keep you back especially not us. Credit is mandatory though
@@ArtOfDrumming alright
Drum n bass is THE best genre no one can tell me otherwise
Anything on Deep Jungle records will give you your Amen fix
And you are using the pedal of the dnb acoustic hero jojo mayer! 👍
The one and only - playing feel of this pedal is super cool.
Fun fact: you can play the amen break at the beginning of Heavy Dirty Soul by 21 pilots. But I hope you will cover it with the same kit and one Low Tom.
Gregory S. "G.C." Coleman the drummer who played this never gets a mention!!!
STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON!!!
The Amen Break from Björk's Crystalline is so cool!
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You play that beautifully.
☺️
And now i will sample this video
Excellent
Thanks Doug! 🙏
I love drums and bass
Just listen to James Browns drummers and Zig from the Meters. There are hundreds of others, but that's a great place to start.
Recreating james brown is coming soon
very cool remake 👍
100. Amazing work.
After the fast version I was expecting to get the slowed down version that you can hear in “Amy Winehouse - You know I’m no good”
I remember this from The Prodigy’s “Firestarter.” Brilliant playing. Thank you.
Thank You!
hi i don't mean to sound pedantic but the amen break is not used in firestarter. to my knowledge the only track on fat of the land that uses the amen break is minefields. the main break in firestarter came from a sample cd that was popular at the time but i forget the name
search youtube for 'Making Of “The Prodigy's Firestarter“ by Jim Pavloff in Ableton Live'
@@Pigeon-envelope
Yup, no Amen at all in Firestarter - in fact, off the top of my head, I can't think of any Prodigy tracks that use the Amen break (early albums - I didn't really listen to the last 2 albums!)
@@breakfreak3181 it's in minefields defo. I was sad enough to check after posting the above 😂 it's mixed in behind the main break during the really heavy sections
God I miss playing drums. You nailed the sound
Thanks so much Tom 🙏!
Such a satisfying video! 👍🏼
Agreed 😉
@@ArtOfDrumming You have the sound so close. 😊
We are trying our best.
haha that's awesome! Do you know of any electronic drum modules that will synthesize these (I'm particularly interested in the Jungle tuned kit)? I say synthesized because I don't want to use samples (in order to get that real, acoustic feel).
That's pretty f*ing close!
the 19inch cymbal is amazing what a great choice. Do you know the weight?
Would there be any chance of getting a high-quality audio version of these recordings? Or is that a copyright issue? It would be free and not for commercial use, which I imagine helps.
please send me an email to florian@onlinelessons.tv
Do you describe the sticks you use, at least the tip material/type?
Whaaa! Please tell me you recorded individual hits and are selling them.
What head did you use for a snare side?
Could I buy it? You should be samplepack them and sell it. Great remake tho.
I feel like the snare is just a bit too bright at the low mid otherwise this is well-recreated
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i last heard the amen break listening to a breakcore album, but that’s too easy, so the ultrakill ost. also, no recognition for slowed down amen break?
You know that you could've just added a tape reel simulation plugin at post processing, and also could've manipulated the speeds artificially. Right?
Knew it was an Acrolite! Knew it!
Holy shit, fucking perfect.
though the Acrolite is a ludwig it wasn't the most recorded snare drum. it was the ludwig LM400 and LM 402b. cool video
Thanks Lari for your feedback.
Great! wheres the download?
someone get Louis Cole on these kits tho