I was there. Joe Lewis was my first karate hero. Big, very fit and fast. Cant discredit Garcia, he was there many times an beat most fighters of the day.
To me, Joe Lewis was the real deal. Two years undefeated, full contact martial arts. Few opponents making it past the second round! Way better than Chuck Norris who was... All Show and No GO! That's known as... A FACT!
I agree Joe Lewis was the real deal. I think all karate fighters of the time acknowledged him as the man to beat, both point and full contact. Even later in his 80s comeback he only missed out on the heavyweight championship cos he was getting cut, never knocked down. But I think it’s not fair to say Chuck Norris wasn’t ‘up there’ in the mid 60s to 1970 period of point fighting. Wasn’t it 2 matches a piece Joe and Chuck? But I agree to place Joe as no 1 karate fighter in the Golden age -blood n guts- era of karate competition.
@@tomg2946 Hi Tom, I was around back then, fighting in the Junior Division (I was 15-17). Chuck was good at point fighting. But when it came to full contact, It was Joe Lewis hands down. Did you know, Joe was going to play the part (Return of the Dragon) Chuck got with Bruce Lee? Joe had other commitments and was getting ready to star in "Jaguar Lives" I actually met Chuck back in the day, when he had a Chain of Karate Studios I was not impressed with his style. I decided to go with a guy, fresh from Korea who had a hole in the wall studio in Downey CA. He had only been in the US for six months. His name was Joo Bang Lee. He also had a brother Joo Sang Lee who had a dojo in Huntington Park. CA. The style was Hwa-Rang-Do. If you listen to the experts at the time, few thought Chuck was at the level of the Greats at that time. i.e; Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Steve Sanders, Bruce Lee etc. I always felt it was Joe who should have achieved the notoriety Chuck got. But as you know, In life, "The Best" are rarely recognized. I would have put Joo Bang Lee against any of them. Hwa-Rang-Do is now internationally known. I was part of a demonstration team with Joo Bang Lee, at the 1974 LB Internationals. I got the chance to meet Linda Lee and her children (Only Babies at the time) I was excited to finally meet Bruce Lee in person. Yet, as you know, he had died a few months earlier. A Great Loss For Martial Arts! :-)
Hi John. Interesting !! I was fighting back in the era 1972 to 1994 when I retired. But in UK and Australia. I would have loved to fight in the US in the 70s. Back in 85 I got to see a few great US fighters in action at Wembley stadium WAKO world champs, and Ray MaCallum and John Longstreet were great fighters, both winning over European fighters. I made Joe laugh along with Jeff Smith cos Ray MaCallum kissed a fighter in a clinch.. I shouted ‘watch out he has AIDs’ . Very politically incorrect now 😉
Joe began to hate this ridiculous point Karate as it was obviously unrealistic and had very little to do with any honest fighting. You could literally be a world champion??? Without ever learning how to take extensive punches to the head,like Boxing or Muitaikickboxing. So Joe began full contact fighting events and was quite successful ,also Bill Wallace and Benny Urquidez ( who was incredibly talented and dangerous)Those guys were full contact fighting guys unlike say Chuck Norris who was a point tournament Karate player with no real full contact kickboxing record.
Everything you said is true, but none of those guys needed to prove anything after their tournament careers ended. Wallace and Lewis were great full contact fighters even past their primes in terms of speed. If Norris had been a little younger when kickboxing started I suspect he would have given it a shot and done well.
This video is confusing me because I thought Joe Lewis was already competing with full contact kickboxing by 1970?? Why is he point fighting here in 1972??
@@DavidS-vs5mj Joe had announced 'Im out of point fighting' once he had begun kickboxing in 1970. He grew tired of being ripped off in point tournaments because a 'lets get Joe' (out of the tournament) attitude emerged among some tournament promoters. Alot of envy around that time for Joes dominance of the sport (less so by the fighters). But the kickboxing matches were shortlived until the PKA revived the idea in 1974. The interest and fighters to take Joe on just wasnt there. Joe returned to tournaments despite the 'get Joe out' sentiment around, I think due to him wanting to still compete and maintain his top fighter status in karate. I think Official Karate magazine heralded his return to karate tournaments at the time as big news. However that time coincided with Bill Wallace's rise to Black Belt ratings no 1 point fighter (BIll won over Joe twice in the 70 and 72 USKA grand nationals in the final each time). Yet Joe cemented his status as 'always the man to beat'.
Well, everything has/had its place, MMA developed out of a few things and point karate has its contribution, look at Lyoto Machida or more recently Michael Venom Page bringing techniques into MMA. Actually, neither of the fighters in the video considered this 'real fighting'. Both considered it a game, and that there was much more to karate than point fighting competition. That's one reason why Joe Lewis almost sole-handedly introduced kickboxing into the US, winning every bout in his prime. But this-point fighting- take it for what it was, a way to develop some striking methods, and competition helps that. Though in my experience I had far more injuries in point karate over 32 years of competition than in twelve years of kickboxing and boxing. This was often a rough game esp' in the 70s, even if it isnt vastly appreciated these days.
Context. Returning veterans who learned Karate in Okinawa or South Korea only had this venue. Joe Lewis subsequently initiated full-contact kickboxing because it didn't exist at this time.
The great joe Lewis, he looks slow, off balance, he is backing up way to much the latin man looked more polished more coordinated and more confident, joe Lewis NOT SO great!
If this had been full-contact Joe would've knocked Garcia out easily (you seem to forget that Joe was the 1st of the point fighters to insist on being able to fight full-contact, he started full-contact karate in the U.S.). As a full-contact fighter Joe did have a few losses on his record, but he he was never knocked out or even down, say what you will, he was a natural born fighter.
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I was there. Joe Lewis was my first karate hero. Big, very fit and fast. Cant discredit Garcia, he was there many times an beat most fighters of the day.
I was there. Amazing how time fly. We use to call Joe , pretty boy.
I can't say enough about Joe Lewis, my head coach. I hope to see him again someday.
Joe el mejor de siempre....
Joe should've won this. He had in his career 67 wins and 19 losses (these are only confirmed fights though he likely had a good amount more)
Amazing fighters
It would of been better, if the camera view was on the opposite side. Happens a lot, uh?
Great.
Way back in 70's, if chuck norris and joe lewis visit here in the phillipines with that kind of karate discipline,we beat can them easily.
We can
To me, Joe Lewis was the real deal. Two years undefeated, full contact martial arts. Few opponents making it past the second round! Way better than Chuck Norris who was... All Show and No GO! That's known as... A FACT!
I agree Joe Lewis was the real deal. I think all karate fighters of the time acknowledged him as the man to beat, both point and full contact. Even later in his 80s comeback he only missed out on the heavyweight championship cos he was getting cut, never knocked down.
But I think it’s not fair to say Chuck Norris wasn’t ‘up there’ in the mid 60s to 1970 period of point fighting. Wasn’t it 2 matches a piece Joe and Chuck?
But I agree to place Joe as no 1 karate fighter in the Golden age -blood n guts- era of karate competition.
@@tomg2946 Hi Tom, I was around back then, fighting in the Junior Division (I was 15-17). Chuck was good at point fighting. But when it came to full contact, It was Joe Lewis hands down. Did you know, Joe was going to play the part (Return of the Dragon) Chuck got with Bruce Lee? Joe had other commitments and was getting ready to star in "Jaguar Lives" I actually met Chuck back in the day, when he had a Chain of Karate Studios I was not impressed with his style. I decided to go with a guy, fresh from Korea who had a hole in the wall studio in Downey CA. He had only been in the US for six months. His name was Joo Bang Lee. He also had a brother Joo Sang Lee who had a dojo in Huntington Park. CA. The style was Hwa-Rang-Do. If you listen to the experts at the time, few thought Chuck was at the level of the Greats at that time. i.e; Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Steve Sanders, Bruce Lee etc. I always felt it was Joe who should have achieved the notoriety Chuck got. But as you know, In life, "The Best" are rarely recognized. I would have put Joo Bang Lee against any of them. Hwa-Rang-Do is now internationally known. I was part of a demonstration team with Joo Bang Lee, at the 1974 LB Internationals. I got the chance to meet Linda Lee and her children (Only Babies at the time) I was excited to finally meet Bruce Lee in person. Yet, as you know, he had died a few months earlier. A Great Loss For Martial Arts! :-)
Hi John. Interesting !! I was fighting back in the era 1972 to 1994 when I retired. But in UK and Australia. I would have loved to fight in the US in the 70s. Back in 85 I got to see a few great US fighters in action at Wembley stadium WAKO world champs, and Ray MaCallum and John Longstreet were great fighters, both winning over European fighters. I made Joe laugh along with Jeff Smith cos Ray MaCallum kissed a fighter in a clinch.. I shouted ‘watch out he has AIDs’ . Very politically incorrect now 😉
No he wasn't
@@JohnDeHaanSeekerOfTruth365 alot of fighters who took on chuck ,said he was the real deal period.
Joe began to hate this ridiculous point Karate as it was obviously unrealistic and had very little to do with any honest fighting. You could literally be a world champion??? Without ever learning how to take extensive punches to the head,like Boxing or Muitaikickboxing. So Joe began full contact fighting events and was quite successful ,also Bill Wallace and Benny Urquidez ( who was incredibly talented and dangerous)Those guys were full contact fighting guys unlike say Chuck Norris who was a point tournament Karate player with no real full contact kickboxing record.
Everything you said is true, but none of those guys needed to prove anything after their tournament careers ended. Wallace and Lewis were great full contact fighters even past their primes in terms of speed. If Norris had been a little younger when kickboxing started I suspect he would have given it a shot and done well.
This video is confusing me because I thought Joe Lewis was already competing with full contact kickboxing by 1970?? Why is he point fighting here in 1972??
@@DavidS-vs5mj I think he did some of both until he fully transitioned away from point competition in 1974.
@@DavidS-vs5mj Joe had announced 'Im out of point fighting' once he had begun kickboxing in 1970. He grew tired of being ripped off in point tournaments because a 'lets get Joe' (out of the tournament) attitude emerged among some tournament promoters. Alot of envy around that time for Joes dominance of the sport (less so by the fighters). But the kickboxing matches were shortlived until the PKA revived the idea in 1974. The interest and fighters to take Joe on just wasnt there. Joe returned to tournaments despite the 'get Joe out' sentiment around, I think due to him wanting to still compete and maintain his top fighter status in karate. I think Official Karate magazine heralded his return to karate tournaments at the time as big news. However that time coincided with Bill Wallace's rise to Black Belt ratings no 1 point fighter (BIll won over Joe twice in the 70 and 72 USKA grand nationals in the final each time). Yet Joe cemented his status as 'always the man to beat'.
cool!
You consider that fighting?I can see how current MMA fighters or old MMA fighters like Royce Gracie or Ken Shamrock are laughing at this video.
Well, everything has/had its place, MMA developed out of a few things
and point karate has its contribution, look at Lyoto Machida or more recently Michael Venom Page bringing techniques into MMA.
Actually, neither of the fighters in the video considered this 'real fighting'. Both considered it a game, and that there was much more to karate than point fighting competition. That's one reason why Joe Lewis almost sole-handedly introduced kickboxing into the US, winning every bout in his prime.
But this-point fighting- take it for what it was, a way to develop some striking methods, and competition helps that. Though in my experience I had far more injuries in point karate over 32 years of competition than in twelve years of kickboxing and boxing. This was often a rough game esp' in the 70s, even if it isnt vastly appreciated these days.
@@tomg2946 You are 💯 Percent Right!!
Context. Returning veterans who learned Karate in Okinawa or South Korea only had this venue. Joe Lewis subsequently initiated full-contact kickboxing because it didn't exist at this time.
douche
They were hard punches and kicks. Nothing like the flippy backfists of today's sport karate. There wasn't MMA then, so you can't compare it
The great joe Lewis, he looks slow, off balance, he is backing up way to much the latin man looked more polished more coordinated and more confident, joe Lewis NOT SO great!
Not so great to he met Bruce Lee.
If this had been full-contact Joe would've knocked Garcia out easily (you seem to forget that Joe was the 1st of the point fighters to insist on being able to fight full-contact, he started full-contact karate in the U.S.). As a full-contact fighter Joe did have a few losses on his record, but he he was never knocked out or even down, say what you will, he was a natural born fighter.
De Lateen meng is no good meng!