All the fitness youtubers have fancy production value, and editors, but I like this format so much better. Feels like a conversation with a homie. A homie that's throbbing with bulbous mass.
Bugenhagen the typa guy to pick 3 back exercises and make it deficit zercher deadlifts, one rep max behind the back barbell shrugs, with the finisher of single arm rows using the same barbell as the shrugs (for efficiency)
Stiff leg zercher deadlifts actually feel amazing. If you lack the hamstring mobility they sorta end up like a strange mix of an rdl and sldl tho. I program them after squats for 5x10-12
i appreciate what you said about trying. we set governors and limiters mentally, because we get so hyper fixated on form. WE MUST BREAK FORM OR REMAIN NEWBORNS
there is a middleground to be found between intensity and volume, each lift requires its own level of nuance. Some lifts are really great to go heavy and throw weight, others benefit from really strict adherence to technique and time under tension
Sounds like the middle ground between compounds and isos to me, intensity and volume are inherently going to be variables that rise and fall in contrast to one another. You can't raise intensity and volume, as with higher intensity there is by our physical limits only less volume
Mike built a lot of muscle using heavy compound lifts before he started on the juice. He loves heavy lifting, but he shifted to lighter, constant tension, full ROM lifting for bodybuilding. I'm with you man. Some kind of deadlift, row, and pullup great for back building. Lots of constant tension stretching on the muscles under heavy load. I know a lot of bodybuilders who use pulldowns or the hammer strength pulldowns like Dorian for that aspect of back building. Even Dorian used a constant tension deadlift at the end of his workouts. Every best back bodybuilding like Samir Bannout Franco used a deadlift. It's a big time back builder.
@@stevend481 Dorian called it deadlifts but with constant tension because he did not put the weight down. Ronnie used deadlifts for muscle building. Deadlifts are fine for building muscle if you use them like a constant tension lift. Most do not and do deadlifts more like a powerlifter.
@@azulsimmons1040I mean I’ve never seen a guy do a 500 pound deadlift that didn’t look jacked, but I have seen guys doing sumo that look like chicks lol.
I really like Dr. Mike, but there's a video he does with Jeff Nippard and he says something along the lines of "actually, if you're on steroids, it's HARDER to recover because of all the stress we put ourselves through." It was the first time I think I've ever seen that man do a Jurkowska-Kowalska in mental gymnastics. Dude is juiced to the gills and can't even admit that he's got an edge on recovery cause he overtrains. Genius.
There's plenty of reasons to dismiss mike izzy, and I like him too, but this ain't it bud. He says recovery is better on roids, no question. He then says your strength skyrockets so fast that your systemic recovery quickly becomes more of a limiting factor so it evens out. You raise the basement and ceiling, but then you're working in similar constraints only your same body made of the same tendons and bones are desperately trying and failing to keep up with your rapid muscle growth and muscle strength gains.
Been using straps for back for the last couple years due to rock climbing - picked it up weighing 230lbs like 5 years ago, and I was getting finger injuries like every six months - decided to strap up at the gym to give them a break (climbing once or twice on the weekends, but hard haha) and man my grip has gotten a ton weaker when it comes to holding a bar! It's wildly strong when hanging in a half crimp or three finger drag, but holding a bar without straps is impossible now. Couldnt agree more on that one - dont strap up unless you absolutely have to. However, in my weird circumstance, it was totally the way to go to prevent all the finger injuries lmao
Yeah I saw a guy yesterday at the gym using straps on a 135lb bar lmao. I see guys all the time using belts, knee wraps and straps when they have no development at all.
Felt the effort thing. Spent ages trying to find the perfect techniques to get strong and explosive/quick. Now I do some Sprints and plyos and lift heavy weights and I just enjoy it 10x more, and as a consequence just grind it out and seem to have gotten so much stronger in about half the time.
@@ericbugenhagenOfficialThe pencil necks are pushing this "Vitruvian" system everywhere suddenly. Can you review one? I doubt its enough weight for you.
@@MS-gu2ux yes and mike pretending like he is totally ultra empathetic and unbiased while talking out his ass, so his guests are uncomfortable disagreeing with him and just keep on the low ;)
“Wife and daughter home in 15 minutes and daddy gotta change out of this shirt before I’m discovered.” 😂😂 that’s a shirt cut for the ages! I saw antoine vaillant selling custom cut t-shirts! I need we need some of those from you!
@@BeOunce-u2jI have it. I don’t watch tv or Netflix or any streaming service, just TH-cam, so it’s affordable for me. All of the streaming services have so much crap and maybe once in a while will have something good but not nearly consistent enough to warrant a subscription. Maybe I’m missing out, maybe everyone else just needs too much stimulus to be entertained.
Gotta disagree on Smith machine. I used to be a hater, but recent tennis elbow has prevented me from doing barbell rows so I found a workaround using the Smith. I messed up my elbow doing heavy overhand grip barbell rows and have spent the last few months in a lot of pain. Figured out I could do Yates rows in the Smith with no pain and with the added benefit of a huge controlled stretch without low back fatigue (underhand grip feels better on my elbow). I still hit my low back in other ways with deadlifts and 45 degree back extensions. I think Smith is great for rows because you can really go crazy with the ROM in the stretched position without the consequences of free weights. I've been doing a shrug/high pull combo for traps also, and it's the gnarliest stimulus I've ever gotten because I can round my shoulders so much at the bottom without low back stress. My traps historically have been lagging and I've struggled to get them to grow, even with heavy shrugs (which I tend to feel in my forearms and low back more than my traps). Have been able to get away with less volume on these movements since the targeted stress is so high, but over time I can handle more volume since the spinal stress is so low. Also think the Smith is amazing for JM presses. Have never connected with them with a barbell always feel off kilter and stress my elbows more than my triceps, but in the Smith it's like a pure triceps exercise that you can safely grind to failure. Smith is also great for any type of incline press.
Finally almost ready to bulk again. I can't deadlift because of my meniscus tear, but it is actually healing and I'm feeling very optimistic there! :D (But I will still sooner wait 6 months longer than I need to than to start DLing and squatting too soon and regressing). I'm doing a bodybuilding approach. Been convinced it makes the most sense. My back exercises are gonna be chest-supported db rows, chest expander upper back extensions, pullups, and possibly T-bar rows (short barbell, tennis ball in corner method). I'll only add the T-bar rows if my training economy allows for it, because I've created a very packed routine already. Four 2+ hr-long sessions with a lot of supersets. When my body does finally allow for it, I'll replace the rehab-esque lower body exercises with some form of squats, and I'll add in RDLs. But who knows? I might keep the exercise for the quads, if I can load it enough.
17:20 They tend to like smith machine just for those reasons. They want to isolate the back as much as possible, so youre not worrying about stability or whatever Its also good for people that are short on time at the gym or get stuck considering the options Im saying all this as someone that prefers going raw with free weights lol just feel like both modalities have merit.
Before I watch, these are mine: 1.) Pull-ups/Chin-ups (especially wide). 2.) The lengthened position emphasized deficit Barbell or DB rows. 3.) Straight-arm pulldowns or DB/Machine Pullovers.
love how you brought up deadlifts. I started to learn how to lift properly with my body on DL and it torches my entire back from top to bottom. It definitely doesnt get the respect it deserves for a big back. Then you bring up the straps i 100% agree with this im 235lbs repping out pullups without straps as a beginner i think its crazy these people half my size need them. I do use straps on heavy DL's or when my callouses are about to tear otherwise i never really ran into a problem yet with my forearms. I also agree with the smith machine for the simple reason that it doesnt move the same for everybody. barbell > smithmachine just because of biomechanics its more natural with a barbell.
YES! 100% on the straps. I find LESS lat engagement w. straps than without (but you can go heavier and do more reps so idk). Nice to meet Mr. Beefy - thought it was my dog at first.
Totally agree with boog here! Deadlifts and pull-ups/ chin-ups (not on machines) are tops. I actually watched that isratel video and couldn’t help but think the main difference between him and the student was years of gear (not training differences).
Ricky... Stick del Rickerson. Are you ever going to make a video addressing your experience with anabolics? I'd love to see your personal thoughts on the pro's and con's and let's get real Rick, we all know.
@@watsonkushmaster3067Well he was in the pro wrestling business for 6 years. I think he's already flipped that stone. He just loves the benefits of gear, and to be fair, his personality is ideal for it.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 he was around 230 many years and all of sudden he gained 60-70lbs so yeah, its hard to believe that it would be any other way...just look at his older videos...but that still doesnt mean he should talk about it
@@watsonkushmaster3067I watched a video of his couple years back where he said "reasons why he's natty." I'm sure he jumped on gear only because you have to be comically big to be big in the WWE.
side note: you should 100% be using straps in your pulling work if you want to seriously work to progressively overload pulling movements introducing forearm fatigue as a limiting factor simply doesn’t make any sense when it isn’t the focus of the exercise - if you want big forearms, just incorporate specific training for them
I agree for things like deadlifts, barbell rows, and dumbell rows (basically anything where the handle can easily roll out of your grip) but I personally don't see the need for machines or pullups. I'm nowhere near the strongest, but I've done a triple on pullups with +50kg at a bw of 80kg with no grip issues to speak of. I can load up the low row machine with 5+ plates for cheaty one arm rows and my grip just never gives out.
@@koleary1798 the logic still applies, if you can do 10 reps at a certain weight without straps and 12 with them, that is a very clear message that reps are being left on the table your back will always be stronger than your forearms, and even though you may think your grip is holding up you potentially just aren’t pushing close enough to failure
Yeah honestly Ricky even with a home gym there's a lot more than 3 back exercises available to me... Especially with my pair of gymnastics rings. With a barbell, dumbbells, rings and a cable attachment back workouts become the most varied and fun out of any muscle group.
Totally agree that the 3 big exercises should be pull ups, barbell bent-over rows, barbell deadlift Used to be able to do what Franco Arnold's training partner used say about pull ups Super wide grip, pulling yourself all the way to your of the middle of the chest hit the bar hold then lower till your arms are full stretched
Different purposes though. You said it yourself, bodybuilders aren't trying to get strong, and that's the point, they are training purely for size and that does not require maxing out, in fact it can be counter productive, as you know. Mikes "best 3" I disagree with because different people are different and have different strengths and weaknesses in every lift.
If i had to choose 3 exercises it would be wide grip pull ups- arnold style bent over row wher you stand on a elevated block for extra ROM - either Tbar row or cable row but i think i go for the heavy T bar rows
i agree with eric on the smith machine in this case, one of the best parts of a bb row is that the bar is drifting away from you and you have to pull up and in. its not horrible but a classic row beats it in most cases. my three would be pullups, crock rows and stiff legged deadlifts if i could only do 3 lifts for back forever.
Yeah it’s like trendy to hate deadlifts in this overanalysing lifting climate we’re in the last couple years. Any excuse to avoid hard exercises I swear.
To be fair people usually do romanian deadlifts or deficit stiff leg deadlifts or something in place of conventional deadlift...but its true, because of the weight its just very fatiguing for no real reason...it trains many muscle at once but all of them not really well
You should react to some of Alex Bromley's stuff, he's mentioned you a bunch of times but I think there's some interesting differences in your philosophies
Wow Alex Bromley mentioned, I guess his channel is getting pretty big I used to watch him during my college years, extremely underrated channel at the time
Hey Eric, I hear a lot about excessive fatigue with deadlifts though I love them. I’ve limited my dl’s to one day per week, 2 sets of 5. I’m progressing though the weight, adding 5kgs per week. Just wondering what kind of dl schedule you suggest? Thank you
I used to always do deadlifts religiously and refused to take them out because I was like oh what be if they are the only reason I'm building my back. But I felt so unwell and exhausted with deadlifts in and it effected all my training. Ever since iv taken deads out if been able to train so much harder and feel so much better, like you need to think sometimes what are your goals? People always structure all there lifts around deadlifts when deadlifts aren't the key to the goals, like deadlifts killed a lot of my gains as I couldn't train the rest of my back properly, it also made it difficult to do legs as i never had any energy
My max conventionally was 220kg but I deadlifted for 5 reps usually and didn't necessarily do an strength training but did love deadlifts, I do miss it sometimes but I feel so much better and my back has gotten so much bigger without them now. Oh also I'm 22 natural and weighed about 80kg and do not do powerlifting, I more so do bodybuilding so I'd say my deadlift was pretty good, it could of course been higher if I did a proper powerlifting routine.
Bugez im wonderin..As someone that works out with just a barbell,how do i manage low back fatigue among squat deads and barbell row.. BB row ends up gettin neglected from the fatigue most of the time
I've started doing squats on the smith machine last year, and I really like it more than regular free weight version. It truly is surprisingly easier, and you gotta keep that in mind if you ever want to do normal squats, so you adjust the weights. But I don't think it's a "bad" type of easier. It makes the exercise safer so you can test yourself with less risk. I'm still a novice, and one of the reasons for my lack of progress is that everytime I really get going, I injure myself and that sets me back a lot. So now I'm prioritizing safety.
@@TheMortalKombatent the smith machine in my gym has adjustable bits you use to set the lowest it can go. And you just need to rotate the bar to "rack" it at any height as well.
Straps are brilliant for deadlifts, barbell rows, and dumbell rows. Anything where the handle rolls a bunch and your grip will legitimately limit how close you can get the back muscles to failure. Stuff like pullups and machines where theres a fixed handle I honestly don't see the issue. Just false grip it and you can pull all day.
Ive been doing my bent over rows with back paralleled to the floor at a deficient and have to say its a great compound movement for a bulbous back. The Bedroom Bully Jay Masters got me into those!
I’m just a regular Schmoe and I love deadlifts. I don’t work on my back at all but I think it’s probably the most aesthetic body part I have because of deads
Mr. Beefy gave me better lats than doing lat pull downs. But personally I have grown from those, but my BEST growth was when I learned how to properly activate the lats during a cable row. Used to not even be able to understand how the lat pose worked until I started pointing my sternum up, lowering my traps and locking them in, and then dragging my elbows back and forth and getting that big stretch at the bottom.
True, deadlifts can play a big role in growing a meaty upper back. Sure they aren't getting range of motion but your deadlift weight is tremendously high for your upper back to be resisting. It's basically a farmers carry, tremendous pressure over not an insignificant amount of time
deadlifts can build a wide back, but they're better for strength than they are for size. You don't get a very good stretch at the bottom position compared to both lat pulldowns and cable rows. The stretch in the lengthened position is good for growth. You can still grow a wide back with deadlifts, but it will be slower than other exercises that focus on the stretch and controlled eccentrics.
Completely agree with the point about straps, it's crazy that I never see that talked about more often. If your grip is holding you back from getting decent back development, don't start using straps, work on your grip lol
Why not thou? Especially if someone is limited on time and have to choose between back volume and forearm training. Working on grip strength is surely beneficial, but limiting back work because of that doesn't seem good, at least to me.
@@FilipGustawWojcik5 seconds plate pinch will do. Grip training will be beneficial in our daily activities like lifting chair, table.. What's the point having big back but weak on lifting things
Honesty I see a lot of benefits in training grip in order to strengthen a weak link for pulling exercises. In my case I feel that having strong grip has detrimental effect on sensitivity of my fingers. I need light touch in order to play string instruments and straps are a game changer IMHO. They allow me to continually gain strength and size while maintaining light touch for playing instruments
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Ricky your 2 cents are worth at least 5 cents
I'd say.. about....about tree fiddy
His Tidbits are the equivalent to Succulent canadian timbits
Shiny, levigated and precious coins
Boogs ADHD is so stupendous that he couldn't wait to hear that their first exercise was pull-ups and that the pulldowns were just warm ups.
At least we know this is a genuine first time viewing reaction from Rick de la Stick
the yappinator
real
Yeah lol. But I don't get why you'd need to warm up with pulldowns just to do bodyweight pull-ups
@@jonzzk999 You will get more out of the pull-ups if you do. Body weight is still body weight.
Our boy just made a reaction video without actually watching the video he was reacting to. This is some bulbusly voluptuous content
All the fitness youtubers have fancy production value, and editors, but I like this format so much better. Feels like a conversation with a homie. A homie that's throbbing with bulbous mass.
he's doing us all a favor because irl nobody would fit in the room with him, so this is as good as it's gonna get
check out eugene teo's videos. literal asmr. no music. just him talking to you and videos of exercises.
@@slick_Ric haha seriously bro
Throbbing? He's not gonna sleep with you buddy. Move on. 😂😂😂
pulsating succulent horseflesh
We need a training day with you and Mike Isreatel
We really don’t
nah we do, we need mike attempting to talk the bugez down from doiung crazy shit whilst the bugez does crazy shit@@hamishakl
that would be fucking amazing
@@hamishaklnah we need more collabs
Lol mike would look like such a dwarf, I feel like he has a height limit for the people he works with.
I cant see the advice through all the horsemass
lol
All I see is a horse having hallucinations talking to a TV 🔴
@@fredosama3466Nobody talking about the spontaneous horse glossolalia in the form of coherent human speech here.
That's all the advice you need
Bugenhagen the typa guy to pick 3 back exercises and make it deficit zercher deadlifts, one rep max behind the back barbell shrugs, with the finisher of single arm rows using the same barbell as the shrugs (for efficiency)
facts
With a catpiss garage for natural ammonia to activate the nervous system
Stiff leg zercher deadlifts actually feel amazing. If you lack the hamstring mobility they sorta end up like a strange mix of an rdl and sldl tho.
I program them after squats for 5x10-12
one arm rows with a barbell are valid if you outgrow your gyms dumbells
@@TheMortalKombatent Indeed, like with hyperextensions
this channel is a breath of fresh air. love the old school masculinity. no BS information.
Insane that we're at the point where being a man is considered old-school.
@@TheBcoolGuy so true
@@TheBcoolGuy 😂
"Deadlift's the best exercise to a jacked back."
Mark Rippetoe is def shedding a tear.
*Mr. BEEEFYYYEH!* 🥩🥩🥩
at least 5kg of brotein
1) Weighted pull-ups
2)Seal rows
3) Deadlift
of course Eric's algorithm is giving him Kurt Russell talking about Escape from New York
Snake Plissken 🔥
You need to collab with him, I'd love to see you doing slow and controlled deficit smith machine rows and bodyweight strapped up pull ups 😂
Hell no mike isratael is the worst.
I'm curious what you don't like about him?@@StolenPixel
@@StolenPixel how so?
@@st43k76 source? trust me, bro
@@StolenPixel Mike is the best. Smart funny and is jacked
love these reaction vids just straight watching thru the tv like a massive rock you are
Love this style of reaction, also the thumbnail is 💣
watching Eric's ads and then immediately getting my own ad is peak internet 🤣 hope to see you and Mike colab someday big dog!
i appreciate what you said about trying. we set governors and limiters mentally, because we get so hyper fixated on form. WE MUST BREAK FORM OR REMAIN NEWBORNS
1. Vertical pull (For example: Pull ups)
2. Horizontal pull (For example: Rows)
3. Hip hinge (For example: Dead lifts)
I like reaction like he doesn't even watch the whole video it's hilarious
there is a middleground to be found between intensity and volume, each lift requires its own level of nuance. Some lifts are really great to go heavy and throw weight, others benefit from really strict adherence to technique and time under tension
Sounds like the middle ground between compounds and isos to me, intensity and volume are inherently going to be variables that rise and fall in contrast to one another. You can't raise intensity and volume, as with higher intensity there is by our physical limits only less volume
Its hilarious and makes the video so much better when eric just uses the TV to do a reaction 😂😂😂😂
Unique, makes his content special, I find it easier to watch aswel
Peanut butter
Yes
Agreed
I just had 4 PJ sandwiches.
Gains butter
@@whitefang9758pajama sandwich taste like ass
With the massive volume Del Hagen is doing we’re getting closer to the Rich Piana 8 hour arm workout
Mike built a lot of muscle using heavy compound lifts before he started on the juice. He loves heavy lifting, but he shifted to lighter, constant tension, full ROM lifting for bodybuilding. I'm with you man. Some kind of deadlift, row, and pullup great for back building. Lots of constant tension stretching on the muscles under heavy load. I know a lot of bodybuilders who use pulldowns or the hammer strength pulldowns like Dorian for that aspect of back building. Even Dorian used a constant tension deadlift at the end of his workouts. Every best back bodybuilding like Samir Bannout Franco used a deadlift. It's a big time back builder.
Bodybuilders dont use a full deadlift that much. Dorian was doing more RDLs. Deadlifts just arent the best for hypertrophy
@@stevend481 Dorian called it deadlifts but with constant tension because he did not put the weight down. Ronnie used deadlifts for muscle building. Deadlifts are fine for building muscle if you use them like a constant tension lift. Most do not and do deadlifts more like a powerlifter.
@@azulsimmons1040I mean I’ve never seen a guy do a 500 pound deadlift that didn’t look jacked, but I have seen guys doing sumo that look like chicks lol.
Dr. Mike and the horse is a collab that needs to happen
I really like Dr. Mike, but there's a video he does with Jeff Nippard and he says something along the lines of "actually, if you're on steroids, it's HARDER to recover because of all the stress we put ourselves through." It was the first time I think I've ever seen that man do a Jurkowska-Kowalska in mental gymnastics. Dude is juiced to the gills and can't even admit that he's got an edge on recovery cause he overtrains. Genius.
There's plenty of reasons to dismiss mike izzy, and I like him too, but this ain't it bud. He says recovery is better on roids, no question. He then says your strength skyrockets so fast that your systemic recovery quickly becomes more of a limiting factor so it evens out. You raise the basement and ceiling, but then you're working in similar constraints only your same body made of the same tendons and bones are desperately trying and failing to keep up with your rapid muscle growth and muscle strength gains.
I agree about going past mechanical failure, but only on safer exercises, not deadlifts, squats or bench press.
Thought i was already subscribed but yeah dude you are the ultimate bro when it comes to the gym! Ill take your advice anyday over anyone else! 👊💪
Been using straps for back for the last couple years due to rock climbing - picked it up weighing 230lbs like 5 years ago, and I was getting finger injuries like every six months - decided to strap up at the gym to give them a break (climbing once or twice on the weekends, but hard haha) and man my grip has gotten a ton weaker when it comes to holding a bar! It's wildly strong when hanging in a half crimp or three finger drag, but holding a bar without straps is impossible now. Couldnt agree more on that one - dont strap up unless you absolutely have to. However, in my weird circumstance, it was totally the way to go to prevent all the finger injuries lmao
Yeah I saw a guy yesterday at the gym using straps on a 135lb bar lmao. I see guys all the time using belts, knee wraps and straps when they have no development at all.
Incredible in-depth analysis from the Professor of Mass & Hypertrophy
Its always nice to hear your insight on working out
You should rename the video to "Anabolic state horseman reacts to nerd's science advices".
Felt the effort thing. Spent ages trying to find the perfect techniques to get strong and explosive/quick. Now I do some Sprints and plyos and lift heavy weights and I just enjoy it 10x more, and as a consequence just grind it out and seem to have gotten so much stronger in about half the time.
Can we get a Mr. Beefy face reveal
I believe the lat pulldowns were just a warm up for the pull ups
Yeah, I figured it was probably just teaching the cues for pulling
@@ericbugenhagenOfficialThe pencil necks are pushing this "Vitruvian" system everywhere suddenly. Can you review one? I doubt its enough weight for you.
Work with Dr Mike! You'll love it and it'll make a great video for both of you.
pls dont
It would just be Ricky spitting wisdom the whole time and Mike responding with “erm ackshually…🤓👆” followed by science based bs
@@MS-gu2ux yes and mike pretending like he is totally ultra empathetic and unbiased while talking out his ass, so his guests are uncomfortable disagreeing with him and just keep on the low ;)
@@MS-gu2ux mike has the phd. Eric is broscience
This is why i love your channel. Because you dont give a frick. Hilarious when you sigh😂 😂
!!Petition for Eric to play live action Omniman>>>
“Wife and daughter home in 15 minutes and daddy gotta change out of this shirt before I’m discovered.” 😂😂 that’s a shirt cut for the ages! I saw antoine vaillant selling custom cut t-shirts! I need we need some of those from you!
Lolol I was watching that, opened a new tab, and here we are. Woah so crazy! Life is such a ride!
It's not coincidence it's algorithms
@@jcmick8430 Haha! Woah!
Boogs having 300K subscribers on TH-cam and still not having TH-cam premium is hilarious 😂 like can't they just hook him up on the house!?
Name one person with TH-cam premium
@@BeOunce-u2jI have it. I don’t watch tv or Netflix or any streaming service, just TH-cam, so it’s affordable for me. All of the streaming services have so much crap and maybe once in a while will have something good but not nearly consistent enough to warrant a subscription. Maybe I’m missing out, maybe everyone else just needs too much stimulus to be entertained.
"at the end of the day - big balls or get the frick out, ok?"
Elephantiasis is not enough.
WE NEED A DR. MIKE COLLAB ASAP!!!
Buge's Brolic back blocks bigscreen broadcast🤌💪🏽🔥🔥
Gotta disagree on Smith machine. I used to be a hater, but recent tennis elbow has prevented me from doing barbell rows so I found a workaround using the Smith. I messed up my elbow doing heavy overhand grip barbell rows and have spent the last few months in a lot of pain. Figured out I could do Yates rows in the Smith with no pain and with the added benefit of a huge controlled stretch without low back fatigue (underhand grip feels better on my elbow). I still hit my low back in other ways with deadlifts and 45 degree back extensions.
I think Smith is great for rows because you can really go crazy with the ROM in the stretched position without the consequences of free weights. I've been doing a shrug/high pull combo for traps also, and it's the gnarliest stimulus I've ever gotten because I can round my shoulders so much at the bottom without low back stress. My traps historically have been lagging and I've struggled to get them to grow, even with heavy shrugs (which I tend to feel in my forearms and low back more than my traps).
Have been able to get away with less volume on these movements since the targeted stress is so high, but over time I can handle more volume since the spinal stress is so low.
Also think the Smith is amazing for JM presses. Have never connected with them with a barbell always feel off kilter and stress my elbows more than my triceps, but in the Smith it's like a pure triceps exercise that you can safely grind to failure.
Smith is also great for any type of incline press.
Yea I think i used to think smith machine was ass, but smith has its uses.
Tennis elbow is just a forearm extensor problem.
Finally almost ready to bulk again. I can't deadlift because of my meniscus tear, but it is actually healing and I'm feeling very optimistic there! :D (But I will still sooner wait 6 months longer than I need to than to start DLing and squatting too soon and regressing). I'm doing a bodybuilding approach. Been convinced it makes the most sense. My back exercises are gonna be chest-supported db rows, chest expander upper back extensions, pullups, and possibly T-bar rows (short barbell, tennis ball in corner method). I'll only add the T-bar rows if my training economy allows for it, because I've created a very packed routine already. Four 2+ hr-long sessions with a lot of supersets. When my body does finally allow for it, I'll replace the rehab-esque lower body exercises with some form of squats, and I'll add in RDLs. But who knows? I might keep the exercise for the quads, if I can load it enough.
Stick watching youtube ads with us proves hes a man of the people. The real peoples champ
Never change brother
Love this format of content lol
17:20 They tend to like smith machine just for those reasons. They want to isolate the back as much as possible, so youre not worrying about stability or whatever
Its also good for people that are short on time at the gym or get stuck considering the options
Im saying all this as someone that prefers going raw with free weights lol just feel like both modalities have merit.
Before I watch, these are mine:
1.) Pull-ups/Chin-ups (especially wide).
2.) The lengthened position emphasized deficit Barbell or DB rows.
3.) Straight-arm pulldowns or DB/Machine Pullovers.
Biggest gains I ever get is free weight. Machines don't do much besides finish. Boogs knows what's up
Some people want to look like horses while Sticky’s Stable wants to be horses
Deadlifts, pull-ups/chin ups, and rows (barbell or dumbbell but I like db better if you got heavy enough weights for it). Those would be my 3
Love these type of videos
love how you brought up deadlifts. I started to learn how to lift properly with my body on DL and it torches my entire back from top to bottom. It definitely doesnt get the respect it deserves for a big back. Then you bring up the straps i 100% agree with this im 235lbs repping out pullups without straps as a beginner i think its crazy these people half my size need them. I do use straps on heavy DL's or when my callouses are about to tear otherwise i never really ran into a problem yet with my forearms. I also agree with the smith machine for the simple reason that it doesnt move the same for everybody. barbell > smithmachine just because of biomechanics its more natural with a barbell.
YES! 100% on the straps. I find LESS lat engagement w. straps than without (but you can go heavier and do more reps so idk). Nice to meet Mr. Beefy - thought it was my dog at first.
If, no WHEN the Boogs / Dr. Mike collab happens, it's gonna be like an episode of Baki
Fantastic video keep fighting the good fight
Totally agree with boog here! Deadlifts and pull-ups/ chin-ups (not on machines) are tops.
I actually watched that isratel video and couldn’t help but think the main difference between him and the student was years of gear (not training differences).
Eric is my favorite PT on YT - i vibe with his philosophy 100 -- HOLY BUCKETSSSS!!!!
Ricky... Stick del Rickerson. Are you ever going to make a video addressing your experience with anabolics? I'd love to see your personal thoughts on the pro's and con's and let's get real Rick, we all know.
If he wants to became an actor or something, this could potentionally not be a good idea to talk about
@@watsonkushmaster3067Well he was in the pro wrestling business for 6 years. I think he's already flipped that stone. He just loves the benefits of gear, and to be fair, his personality is ideal for it.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 he was around 230 many years and all of sudden he gained 60-70lbs so yeah, its hard to believe that it would be any other way...just look at his older videos...but that still doesnt mean he should talk about it
@@watsonkushmaster3067I watched a video of his couple years back where he said "reasons why he's natty." I'm sure he jumped on gear only because you have to be comically big to be big in the WWE.
side note: you should 100% be using straps in your pulling work if you want to seriously work to progressively overload pulling movements
introducing forearm fatigue as a limiting factor simply doesn’t make any sense when it isn’t the focus of the exercise - if you want big forearms, just incorporate specific training for them
I agree for things like deadlifts, barbell rows, and dumbell rows (basically anything where the handle can easily roll out of your grip) but I personally don't see the need for machines or pullups. I'm nowhere near the strongest, but I've done a triple on pullups with +50kg at a bw of 80kg with no grip issues to speak of. I can load up the low row machine with 5+ plates for cheaty one arm rows and my grip just never gives out.
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@@koleary1798 the logic still applies, if you can do 10 reps at a certain weight without straps and 12 with them, that is a very clear message that reps are being left on the table
your back will always be stronger than your forearms, and even though you may think your grip is holding up you potentially just aren’t pushing close enough to failure
Yeah honestly Ricky even with a home gym there's a lot more than 3 back exercises available to me... Especially with my pair of gymnastics rings. With a barbell, dumbbells, rings and a cable attachment back workouts become the most varied and fun out of any muscle group.
i like the format of it where you have him on tv.
Totally agree that the 3 big exercises should be pull ups, barbell bent-over rows, barbell deadlift
Used to be able to do what Franco Arnold's training partner used say about pull ups
Super wide grip, pulling yourself all the way to your of the middle of the chest hit the bar hold then lower till your arms are full stretched
Did back and did deadlifts, rows and pullups and my back is fried
Thank u for bein ma friend
Deadlifts surprised me, but you are absolutely right!
Different purposes though. You said it yourself, bodybuilders aren't trying to get strong, and that's the point, they are training purely for size and that does not require maxing out, in fact it can be counter productive, as you know. Mikes "best 3" I disagree with because different people are different and have different strengths and weaknesses in every lift.
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If I had to give it a name, I would say it's a "Deficit Pendlay Row"
I started zercher deadlifts again, and deadlifts have definitely helped my other back exercises.
If i had to choose 3 exercises it would be wide grip pull ups- arnold style bent over row wher you stand on a elevated block for extra ROM - either Tbar row or cable row but i think i go for the heavy T bar rows
Agreed Rick, there has to be a balance between horse cocking weight and what Dr Mike advocates for
These videos are amazing. 🙏
i agree with eric on the smith machine in this case, one of the best parts of a bb row is that the bar is drifting away from you and you have to pull up and in. its not horrible but a classic row beats it in most cases. my three would be pullups, crock rows and stiff legged deadlifts if i could only do 3 lifts for back forever.
I was hoping with all my heart you were gonna say Deads…drives me crazy when people ditch the dead’s for a Thick Asssss back!
Yeah it’s like trendy to hate deadlifts in this overanalysing lifting climate we’re in the last couple years. Any excuse to avoid hard exercises I swear.
people can’t see their mid traps and erectors in the mirror so they don’t care about growing them
I think deadlifts are terrible for stimulus-to-fatigue ratio. It uses the whole body from head to toe, so it's no wonder.
@@justmarc2015 exactly its too fatiguing
To be fair people usually do romanian deadlifts or deficit stiff leg deadlifts or something in place of conventional deadlift...but its true, because of the weight its just very fatiguing for no real reason...it trains many muscle at once but all of them not really well
You should react to some of Alex Bromley's stuff, he's mentioned you a bunch of times but I think there's some interesting differences in your philosophies
Boogz mostly just wants some of that sweet sweet RP money and I don't blame him
Wow Alex Bromley mentioned, I guess his channel is getting pretty big
I used to watch him during my college years, extremely underrated channel at the time
@@victorgomez6330 I just found his stuff recently, it's great. Lots of good programming tips.
He and Eric have pretty similar training philosophies so that's coo lol.
Hey Eric, I hear a lot about excessive fatigue with deadlifts though I love them. I’ve limited my dl’s to one day per week, 2 sets of 5. I’m progressing though the weight, adding 5kgs per week. Just wondering what kind of dl schedule you suggest? Thank you
I used to always do deadlifts religiously and refused to take them out because I was like oh what be if they are the only reason I'm building my back. But I felt so unwell and exhausted with deadlifts in and it effected all my training. Ever since iv taken deads out if been able to train so much harder and feel so much better, like you need to think sometimes what are your goals? People always structure all there lifts around deadlifts when deadlifts aren't the key to the goals, like deadlifts killed a lot of my gains as I couldn't train the rest of my back properly, it also made it difficult to do legs as i never had any energy
I deadlift twice a week. One conventional at lower reps and one variation on my other lower day (stiff legged or def) both are after my squats.
@@aaron1907 what was your deadlift at?
My max conventionally was 220kg but I deadlifted for 5 reps usually and didn't necessarily do an strength training but did love deadlifts, I do miss it sometimes but I feel so much better and my back has gotten so much bigger without them now. Oh also I'm 22 natural and weighed about 80kg and do not do powerlifting, I more so do bodybuilding so I'd say my deadlift was pretty good, it could of course been higher if I did a proper powerlifting routine.
@clarity2115
I only use pulldowns for wide-grip after I do my chinups and close-grips.
Bugez im wonderin..As someone that works out with just a barbell,how do i manage low back fatigue among squat deads and barbell row.. BB row ends up gettin neglected from the fatigue most of the time
Squat on seperate days from deadlifts and either row to warmup for deadlifts or row right after you’ve deadlifted and your back is primed up
@@ericbugenhagenOfficialsingle arm rows right into deadlifts 👌
Plays the video for 0.2 seconds, pauses and elaborates 😂😂 you’re funny as heck Rick
I've started doing squats on the smith machine last year, and I really like it more than regular free weight version. It truly is surprisingly easier, and you gotta keep that in mind if you ever want to do normal squats, so you adjust the weights.
But I don't think it's a "bad" type of easier. It makes the exercise safer so you can test yourself with less risk. I'm still a novice, and one of the reasons for my lack of progress is that everytime I really get going, I injure myself and that sets me back a lot. So now I'm prioritizing safety.
smith machine squats are much more risky since you cant drop the bar off your back or onto safety pins.
@@TheMortalKombatent the smith machine in my gym has adjustable bits you use to set the lowest it can go. And you just need to rotate the bar to "rack" it at any height as well.
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Why do you prefer pullups to lat pulldown? Aren't they basically the same thing?
Straps are brilliant for deadlifts, barbell rows, and dumbell rows. Anything where the handle rolls a bunch and your grip will legitimately limit how close you can get the back muscles to failure.
Stuff like pullups and machines where theres a fixed handle I honestly don't see the issue. Just false grip it and you can pull all day.
The fact that the thumbnail for this video is him flexing his back scrunched over watching the TV like a caveman is fucking gold 😂😂😂
Ive been doing my bent over rows with back paralleled to the floor at a deficient and have to say its a great compound movement for a bulbous back. The Bedroom Bully Jay Masters got me into those!
Dr Mike Sticky COLLAB needs to happen let’s go
F#@$ No
@@michaelmyerrs9795 YES
Nah
Straps on body weight pullups are goofy.
The Lou Ferrigno impression was actually pretty good 😂
I’m just a regular Schmoe and I love deadlifts. I don’t work on my back at all but I think it’s probably the most aesthetic body part I have because of deads
Mr. Beefy gave me better lats than doing lat pull downs. But personally I have grown from those, but my BEST growth was when I learned how to properly activate the lats during a cable row. Used to not even be able to understand how the lat pose worked until I started pointing my sternum up, lowering my traps and locking them in, and then dragging my elbows back and forth and getting that big stretch at the bottom.
True, deadlifts can play a big role in growing a meaty upper back. Sure they aren't getting range of motion but your deadlift weight is tremendously high for your upper back to be resisting. It's basically a farmers carry, tremendous pressure over not an insignificant amount of time
deadlifts can build a wide back, but they're better for strength than they are for size. You don't get a very good stretch at the bottom position compared to both lat pulldowns and cable rows. The stretch in the lengthened position is good for growth. You can still grow a wide back with deadlifts, but it will be slower than other exercises that focus on the stretch and controlled eccentrics.
Your advice is so much better than Dr Douchebag ..you definitely have a PHD in getting stacked n jacked
Completely agree with the point about straps, it's crazy that I never see that talked about more often.
If your grip is holding you back from getting decent back development, don't start using straps, work on your grip lol
Why not thou? Especially if someone is limited on time and have to choose between back volume and forearm training. Working on grip strength is surely beneficial, but limiting back work because of that doesn't seem good, at least to me.
@@FilipGustawWojcik5 seconds plate pinch will do. Grip training will be beneficial in our daily activities like lifting chair, table.. What's the point having big back but weak on lifting things
@@QnceDreamOfYou gonna try on next session, thanks for advice
Honesty I see a lot of benefits in training grip in order to strengthen a weak link for pulling exercises. In my case I feel that having strong grip has detrimental effect on sensitivity of my fingers. I need light touch in order to play string instruments and straps are a game changer IMHO. They allow me to continually gain strength and size while maintaining light touch for playing instruments
But.. but it's easier to just wear straps than work on my grip 😂
Eric,
i can't do deadlifts or barbell rows because of 3 spinal injuries, what would be the best substitutes which doesnt put pressure on the spine?
chest supported rows
you should also work on very light rehab stuff when it comes to your spine, make sure to check with a phyisician
seal rows brother
2 cents from experienced lifter, keep em comin