Back in Mobile, Sledge reunites with his brother who got back from the ETO, as well as with his mother and father, who constantly worry about his nightmares that he keeps having, undoubtedly about his experiences in the Pacific. Sledge joins in the Auburn University (then known as the Alabama Polytechnic Institute), and Sledge continues to experience trauma even into a grand party and halfway into hunting with his father. Sledge is last seen in the series with a flower in his hand a the woods outside of his house then walking back before his final fate is revealed along with the other characters in the series. Later life, Sledge attended the university and received a Bachelor of Science degree in 1949. Sledge gave up his hunting hobby, and a key turning point in his life and career followed when his father advised him that he could substitute bird watching as a hobby. Sledge started to assist the conservation department in its banding study efforts, the origin of his well known passion for the science of ornithology. He found his salvation in science, it kept the flashbacks of Peleliu and Okinawa at bay. Close, constant study of nature prevented him from going mad. However, the war stayed with him, and finally at the urging of his wife, he began to write his memoir "With the Old Breed At Peleliu and Okinawa", at last allowing him to put his horrors behind him. He returned to Auburn in 1953 where he worked as a research assistant until 1955. That same year he graduated from API with a Master of Science degree in botany. From 1956 to 1960 Sledge attended the University of Florida and worked as a research assistant. He published numerous papers on Helminthology and in 1956 joined the Helminthological Society of Washington. He received his doctorate in biology from the University of Florida in 1960. He was employed by the Division of Plant Industries for the Florida State Department of Agriculture from 1959 to 1962. In the summer of 1962, Sledge was appointed Assistant Professor of Biology at Alabama College (now the University of Montevallo). In 1970 he became a professor, a position he held until his retirement in 1990. He taught zoology, ornithology, comparative vertebrate anatomy and other courses during his long tenure there. Sledge was popular with his students, organizing field trips and collections around town. Eugene Sledge died after a long battle with stomach cancer in 2001, the same year that The Pacific's predecessor, Band of Brothers was released. (Fandom: The Pacific Wiki) YOU CAN WATCH THIS TV MINI SERIES "THE PACIFIC" (2010), THROUGH OUR WEBSITE IN OUR BIO
I find that PTSD is largely a disorder of understanding where you stand in the world that you were brought up in, compared to your deeds that is. In an evangelical world, everything is largely taught in black and white; good and evil. When you're constrained to that type of thinking; no wonder you can't cope with such things. I think finally understanding that you got conned into doing it breaks most people if they ever get that far.
@@vladimirofsvalbard9477The world is black and white, and fallen humanity isn't able or equipped to deal with it on their own. In a fallen, rebellious, alienated state, humanity loves to muddy the water and have so much be grey. But Christ came to reconcile us to Him, give grace, rest and peace. To help us see our need, to see what God has done to provide for us,, to see things as they are. To empower us to live lives pleasing to Him, to know Him and to spend eternity with Him.
Joseph Mazzello was the grandson in Jurassic Park, and John Deacon in Bohemian Rhapsody (and Rami Malik played Freddie Mercury). A good actor who has had some great parts.
totally, After reading "with the old breed" i only wish _The Pacific_ had just focused on Sledge's story. Still good (and important) series, don't get me wrong.
I run a small business and only employ veterans. My last hire was a marine infantryman who served in heavy combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. I teach them skills and train them to do the job. They deserve a job with paid training. We owe them that
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 I don’t owe the Iraqis shit. I didn’t vote for that war. If you want reparations go ask George Bush. I’m doing my part to help the men and women who were forced to fight in that war.
That's heartbreaking. Combat veterans do all the worst jobs in the military and aren't left with any experience that can help them once they are out of the military. What the hell are you supposed to do with the knowledge of how to kill people in the real world?
@@leventhumps3861history is constantly being rewritten as we learn more and uncover more documents and written experiences, this is not a liberal issue
"Why yes ma'am as a matter of fact i was a research physicist with an emphasis on studying the effects of ballistic energy transfer of dense high velocity particles through soft organic mediums..."
The little touches in this scene are brilliant. He’s wearing a suit while all the other applicants are still in uniform. The way she says USMC, innocently negating in an instant the four years of suffering he experienced.
@@fili0938 good argument. nonetheless I would've gone the route of being sensitive and respectful if I were her, despite accounting for factors like the lack of internet knowledge back in the day, her southern accent indicating a rural background, and the fact that she's female and will not have to worry about dealing with these sorts of issues. I heard as well that in the memoir, the girl was actually apologetic, and that's ok.
Agreed Cropcircler! ❤ I think she was literally ignorant/oblivious to any and every horror soldiers experienced. This was probably the first time anyone's made her think realistically
@@DocM.Back then the image of war back home was mostly influenced by propaganda. You'd see maybe five minutes of news reels in the cinema before a movie, and thats the only moving pictures you got. If you watch that old footage, it doesn't seem to reflect the reality of war that well - and it wasn't supposed to, because that would've prevented people from signing up. Nobody really knew about stuff like PTSD and many vets probably weren't eager to talk about their experiences. It was pretty difficult to _not_ be oblivious to the horror back then, since there was barely any way to learn about it besides having a vet tell you.
I highly doubt that handling a mortar rounds equates in any way to chemistry, or that changing angles on a mortar equals mechanical skills. Marketing yourself is all well, except when you stretch the truth so much that you start lying
Maybe, maybe the math. And that stuff is worked out in advance so a mortor man doesn't need to do all the math. Handling weapons explosive isn't the same as engineering explosives. What chemistry? He didn't make the explosives. Engineering? What Engineering exactly? And she is just seeing if any of his skills might be useful for continuing education. He can always start fresh, just like anyone just going to college.
@24105252 LOL Here's something to think on: mortars being fired requires chemistry knowledge (practical chemistry applications), how to angle (geometry/triginometry), how to repair the machines when they went down or had a jam (engineering) & tactical advance/retreat during combat (strategic geology, knowing when to hide in the cave or pass it up because it's full of lime or granite). There's a skill in knowing how to market oneself.
Don't forget he also fights off can alien from another universe while wearing and AI exoskeleton suit from another universe while trying to find a cure for his aids.
I think what gets me is that they got a really young looking actor for Sledge. He has a boyish quality that makes the haunting experiences all the more worse. It’s that classic loss of innocence story. Except it was a real young man’s life.
It definitely makes it hit even harder, with how softly he looked and was spoken. You don't even notice his chapped lips until he leans in. Especially when she starts asking for his experience and his eyes start to well up because he realizes how absolutely boned he is.
@@r2gelfand Been a while since i watched so I don't remember all the details but I thought his dad only treated guys who came back from WW1, I didn't think he actually served.
@@Briselance Most civilians only see the war through newsreels and movies, where the heroes are all intelligent and talented and learned all kinds of skills and languages during their bootcamp. They did not realise that it wasn't glamourous at all, despite what John Wayne would have you believe.
@@BriselanceNah, he’s merely making it clear that the Marines taught him nothing but how to kill. So, it’s just pointing out how stupid her question is because he can’t possibly do anything he did over there back home. Also gives way to the insane expectations of these dudes after they’d been through hell back several times over. No real scope of the years of readjustment that would have to take place; at least his dad in the show knew when the mom was bugging him about sitting around for months. He’s just lost in this scene.
Me too. He’s tired of it all. He doesn’t want to end another living thing’s life. Such an awesome scene at showing his innocence returning, and someone going through PTSD. After watching a whole miniseries seeing what he went through to then see that scene, it makes you really empathize with Eugene
"Thank you for your time, this opportunity is not for me. Don't call me, your questions convinced me as a potential employer you would make this an equitable investment in both our time."
Jodi did the interview, civilians can't and will never understand. When I get asked questions about Afghanistan or Somalia my reply is most the time is f ck off why do you want to know. I'm more bitter with civilian pukes than Alquda, Taliban or Elshabaz.
now here in germany, when you serve your time in the last 2-3 years of it you are allowed to learn a job and the army will pay for it. so things like that cant happen.
To be fair, sleeping outside, not being bothered by anything. Waking up in a second. Ready for a knife fight at any time. Eating shitty food with your hands. The military is excellent at teaching hobo skills.
Yeah, but the point is she's a civilian and they didn't bother to train her in this intake process properly. That was him dropping a hint without bragging and she didn't ask any followup questions.
I was trained to be a mortar squad leader in 2014. Everyone in a mortar squad, including the leader, is mostly doing manual labor. The squad leader gets a fire command that includes the direction, elevation and how much charge packets to add to the mortar. That fire command is generated by "calculator" NCOs who translate company level fire commands into fire commands for each individual mortar. But it's not like they are solving ballistic equations, they have a map and a compass-like paper thing that shows them what elevation and how many packets to use to go a certain distance. The combinations of packet and elevation have been determined on a test range. Of course nowadays the "calculator" NCOs are actually just radio operators because all of this happens on a single computer at company HQ. But they probably still train how to do it the old fashion way just in case.
Amazing how he portrayed showing up cheerful and hopeful and gradually under her questioning got more and more frustrated until he was on the verge of exploding. They cut the clip a bit too short because they don't show him storming away. Great actor.
Fun fact, from my own experience. Combat veterans work really well in Healthcare. Iv met lots of veterans that have got into Nursing and paramedicine, and they ate honestly some of the best, hardworking, and organised lot you can get. One of my close colleagues served in Bosnia, Iraq and two tours in Afghanistan, he was a Nursing Assistant and then went on to study to become a paramedic. He was a true grafter, incredibly organised and caring, really down to her kinda guy.
can confirm, when I got into a wreck I had a retire Corpsman as my nurse, best nurse I've ever heard, got my Iv right every time always made sure everything I needed was taken care of
Same shit different day. I got out and discovered that all those "we hire veterans" signs are lies. All of that "valuable leadership experience" doesn't mean a damn thing. Even the directly applicable technical skills I learned wouldnt translate because "we're not sure it really works the same outside a military context." So, I got to be homeless. Luckily, Uncle Sam did prepare me for that with all those nights in the field.
My grandfather served as a Sergeant in a machine gun company in France. After the war he didn't have a lot of skills or education. Luckily the men in his unit called in some favors and got him a good job. Sometimes your friends are all you really have.
@colinsanders9397 I'm sorry to hear how people have treated you. I got to be homeless because of lead & mold poisoning and something like chronic Lyme Disease made me housebound-level ill for too long to work. People can be so deceptive, selfish & exploitive: if you can't immediately be beneficial for them, they dump you. There are people who deserve the grateful help of a nation, and those who we send to fight on our behalf deserve to be at the top of that list. I wish I had an opportunity for you, but all I can do right now is to hope you find people who will love you and give you an opportunity to learn a new occupation.
I only did a little over four years, but even then, civilians drive me nuts sometimes. Grew up on military bases even before I enlisted myself. Two different worlds.
Yes, ma'am. I did bring back something that I can carry with me through Alabama Polytechnic; I can overcome, adapt and persevere through any obstacle set before me.
I've just started watching The Pacific for the third time. Everyone goes on that it's not as good as Band Of Brothers but it is every bit as good. It goes deeper into the minds of the men than its predecessor and is much more nuanced. The utter misery of life in the Pacific theatre and the fanaticism of the enemy so graphically shown is something Easy Company never had to face. The more I watch the more I like.
Agreed. It’s not been a question since the first episode came out for The Pacific when I was in middle school. It has always had an impact on me equal to BoB. If not an even stronger one in many ways. Combat is starkly different when fighting an enemy who’s culture drives them to truly be suicidal in an effort to maybe kill you. War trauma isn’t a competition, but just from an honest look at what Pacific troops endured, I know without a doubt that theater would have made an animal out of me. To me, it is the most savage modern military conflict the likes of which we won’t see again and this show paints that so well with an outstanding cast.
Definitely more dark but I think people coming from BoB expect a similar experience of following 1 company through the whole war. Where the Pacific had 3 very different POVs. It’s a bit jarring at first but it gave you a broader perspective of the war on the Pacific. Definitely felt more personal too
The war correspondent Ernie Pyle started the war reporting on the war in Europe and originally downplayed the Pacific Theater. Then he transferred to the Pacific and the brutal of island hopping campaigns quickly changed his mind. Pyle was killed in action by Japanese machine gun fire on Iejima in April 1945 during the Okinawa campaign.
Damn, a lot of soldiers die in combat. These men had interests, futures, careers, families, all taken away with a single shot or shrapnel Edit: 90 likes sheesh thanks
And I know a hell of a lot more who died when they came back because they didn't get the support they needed to get back into life. Used and cast aside.
I'd suggest reading the book this is based on. You really see that most of these guys were just late teens or early 20s, kids really in any sane measure. Eugene Sledge talks about some that don't make it and you do get a sense of how much is lost when these young people don't make it home.
@@SprikSprak I have a a book related to one of the marines featured in “The Pacific” they knew sledge, leckie, and basilone. Its called voices of the pacific. It has a bunch of vets i cluding sid philips. You should read it
In reality sledge got really mad and yelled something like “MISS THIS WAS A KILLING WAR, AND I WAS SOMEONE THAT HAD TO DO SOME OF THAT KILLING” He said everyone around stopped and just stared at him and the “poor woman” looked extremely embarrassed/horrified In his later life he said he felt very embarrassed about this moment.
In real life: Sledge: Lady there was a killing war going on and I was one of the ones that have to do some of the killings. The woman apologized with shame. Sledge: That’s alright I know you don’t understand.
@@jarejare63peoples conception of social etiquette in 1940s America has been completely demolished by modern propaganda. There were more gendered social rules but that also meant that there was an even higher expectation than there is today to be polite to women. Undoubtedly there was more bad stuff happening behind closed doors but that wasn't happening in public between strangers.
I was trained on how to follow complex instructions, and then to give instructions while instilling integrity and discipline to large groups of men to lead them to accomplish our given goals and tasks in furtherance of our national interests, whole doing so I received many awards which have allowed me to be here today speaking with you.
I served in the USMC infantry. Afterwards I went to college and felt super weird and depressed because of the stark contrast between USMC and normal people. It’s that moment when you realize that you’re not the same person coming out as you were going in. For me it was like when I joined, the real world was put on pause. Then all This stuff happens and you get out and the play button is hit and life begins again, except all this shit just happened and now it feels like it didn’t happen and I was wondering what the f***. I don’t know, maybe that’s just me? Anyone else….?
EXACTLY! The Marines make warriors! And darn good ones! Thank you for your service! Most people will NEVER experience what it takes to earn the Title U.S. Marine and wear that uniform! Semper Fi!
Today, they really don't... At least not as a standard procedure. Back then it was a *lot* of trial and error, because there were no computers but only charts that offer "ideal" data that does not consider many factors, most-importantly the ever-changing terrain. If fires were not adjusted (like, for example, in any attack scenario) the skill they likely needed most was "improvisation".
@@worms1eh the idea is to be patient because they haven’t gone through what you have and you can’t expect them to be informed unless you had a long talk with them or they themselves served or worked with the military as a civilian employee. Gotta be humble and sell your military skills in a way that makes sense to civilian interviewers
Depends on how you define it. Some basic trigonometry and geometry, and a bit of chart consultation. 8th/9th grade stuff in the end. Elementary algebra. It's combat arms USMC, remember. Absolute minimum requirements for that sort of thing.
The baker bakes, the barber cuts, and the cook cooks etc. as a basic infantryman the JOB is crystal clear and I quote "...You don't have to sacrifice for your country you make the other poor bastard sacrifice for his country..." Semper Fi Mac!
Coming home on post deployment leave from Afghanistan was a big culture shock for me, I couldn’t even imagine how these guys felt coming back from a war that was pure hell on earth.
I never served, but I couldn’t imagine what it’s like to be counted on in the most stressful situation known to mankind, being responsible for keeping your brothers in arms alive while you face death and have to be quick in though and action… then you come home and are treated as less-than.
@@Off-HandedBarrelyeah it’s kinda outlandish that people and the government were like why are so many veterans killing themselves? Turns out committing violence on the states behalf will do that to a normal person. Like the soldiers in Afghanistan were put in situations where the enemy could be anyone, even women and children. Soldiers who in a split second had to decide if they were going to shoot a child or civilians because they had almost no time to determine if they were an enemy or not. Putting soldiers in positions where they would commit war crimes because they only had mere seconds to react. Raiding houses to only determine it’s just a civilian house. Etc etc, shit like that. Then the general combat against guerrilla forces who were fanatical. Suicide bombers of all kind. The government traumatizes these soldiers by having them commit acts of violence. I’d only serve if it was all out war against Russia or china but at that point I think the nukes are flying and if there isn’t nukes there would be a draft. I’d definitely get drafted. I’m in decent shape, not stupid, and have no disabilities or anything that would disqualify me. That’s good enough for most branches and definitely the army. If the nukes fly I have nowhere to run or hide. Definitely no money for a million dollar bunker. I’d spark up a joint and watch the boom booms.
@evangreenberg1666 I floated between security and insertion teams for Nightengale while attached to the 31st MEU until Sewoul. A handful of us were attached to SOCAF after that. 6th fleet, 40th TF, 10th NSWU. Though we spent just as much time on ships as we did land. Did TACEVAC/MEDEVAC and Spec Ops support/transport. Everything from SEALs and FAST teams to NATO infantry from France and Britain. Mainly spent time with African Union troops from different countries and transporting civilians to hostpital ships. Fought Boko Haram, Al Shabab extremist, and warlords for 3 1/2 years trying to help people that didn't want it. Pulled security for TCETT airlifts and handoffs. Came home to divorce papers and a medical discharge. No non-combat related skills. Handful of pills every day just to work a crap job and fight the government for services. Show of hands who even knows we have troops in Africa.
When I got out, I was told all I could do was shoot, but ptsd wouldn't let me, so I better turn to day labor I've been a manager in retail I don't know what's worse staying in service, retail, day labor or being dead.
Love this scene as it really shows the ignorance that a lot of people had at the time of what they went through. They didn't attend summer camp and learn lots of new skills, they fought in a literal hellscape and got PTSD for the rest of their life.
Worst part is USMC is kinda the worst one out of all of them for continuing civ life after. Not a lot of white collar jobs or high end blue ones. Which sucks because USMC has the hardest jobs along with the Army.
@@iloveyoushima after over a hundred years of formally industrialized medicine, how's that coming? Just more low to no honor sheep who never put themselves on the line but rather make lots of money by dragging things along.
I learned the hard way when I got back from war that infantry skills don’t mean shit out in the real world. Most the guys that do the hard fighting come back and have very hard lives after.
Damn She a bit rude It felt like an insult when she asked if the Marine corps taught him anything. Like he said he was in a mortar squad and handled explosives. That should be enough of an answer
That conversation might not have ever actually happened. It wasn't about her being rude, she was a metaphor of how the men who fought in the war often felt like they spent their formative years going through hell just to come back and feel like they got nothing out of it other than a medal and psychological trauma.
not intentionally rude, just rather junior and very ignorant. Technically she did not say" taught him anything", but more like "taught you anything that you can continue with here". A bit crude and ignorant, but not intentionally rude I think.
Not rude at all. We watched his entire journey and suffering, so we are on his side - why isn't this man given what he deserves for all of it?! But look at it from her side - there are a bunch of young men, applying for college, with no skills in the years where they should have plenty, and they need to be a productive members of society in peace. Even if she knew about all the horror of the things Sledge went through, questions would have been the same - sir, do you have ANY skills that can be used in peace and in civilian world? There are many positions in the army that would give you those. Various drivers, logistics personnel (every branch and unit has them), communication (again, every unit has them)... He had none, he was a grunt. So, a college has no use for him when there are many others in line (and positions were limited) that had SOME skills usable in peace time. They had to pick, for a limited number of spaces, out of millions that were coming back from the war, the best fit. It is all nice and well that he was good at killing Japs for 4 years, but war is over, and you need to do something for the rest of your life... and it would be irresponsible for a government/institution to give you something to do, for which you have no skills, just because you killed people during the war. There ARE other jobs, this was a recruitment for college, highest academic institution. She was completely in the right and not rude at all. He came from the war, straight to college no less, with no skills in any of the subjects relevant... and expected something. Why? If anyone's rude, its him, regardless of how much I like his character in the show and how I respect actual people who fought.
Sometimes, the worst thing that can happen to a soldier who's made for war, is that they never died. This is no hate towards any veteran, just an unfortunate truth. A man made for war, who has served in war, will often make their own war in their own minds should they make it through such hell.
I WAR every day. 10 years retired, I try to be normal and happy. I’ve failed, it’s too awkward. I can’t talk to normal people because we have nothing in common. My conversation subject matter makes them uncomfortable. Especially when they realize how I describe the horrible conditions of war with such ease. I’m that man made for war, I am lost because I have no war.
@@DwagonierI am sure that something that troubles your mind that much will not be alleviated by experiencing even more of it. Wars are for ever, but warriors are not. There is a reason they usually send 20 year olds, and not 50 year olds. The shift in perspective does a lot to your perception and tolerance towards violence and danger. I am not too sure if I would still willingly go out into a warzone twenty years from now.
@hustensaftvernichter3785 father served in JTF2 im pretty sure i know what it's like. So nice one online warrior. If they want war, they got it. Plain and simple
@@Dwagonier I don't see what you are trying to say. Being a father going to war is *much* different than a single, young man. At least to me and everyone I got to know during my own military life. The perspective is a lot different for many people once they have a family of their own to return to and the risks (at least in combat roles) seem to be much less acceptable. ''If they want war, they got it.'' ...But do they, really?! I think a lot of that is an exaggeration of the misplacement they feel once they realize they haven't got anyone who remotely understands what it's like. I don't think they really wish to return once they are out of their prime and there is a good reason Infantrymen (for example) are considered senior once they reach their 30's. You know exactly what I mean if I say we are not on the sharp end forever, both mentally and physically.
Still to this day if you go to any combat arms you have only have a few skills. Killing, managing stress, dealing with boredom followed by high intensity life or death back to boredom.
E B Sledge is a legend. His book “With the Old Breed” is required reading if you like history. Or if you just want to appreciate how good your life is.
What we have here are two aliens with completely contrary life experiences meeting one another. I never felt so alien upon returning home. After several tours abroad I think I shared more life experiences with convicts than anything else. Which is sad. Police was a good second choice, and I took it. Many do.
Fun story. I was talking to a woman recently and as I have done many times in my life I was explaining to her how all man have to register for the draft when they turn 18 (and if you dont think you did, you did. Even if you didnt yourself. Through your driver's license or any number of things. Anyway if you somehow slipped through the cracks if there was an actual draft on youd quickly find yourself unslipped.) She at first didnt believe me, "They dont do that anymore." I finally convinced her. Her response? "Well that just isnt fair. Woman should have the right to be drafted if they want to be."
I've assisted veterans with resume updates; the best advice i received was from a USMC coworker, that civilians just don't understand military experience. I learned to interview these veterans and rewrite their experience into civilian speak.
Id hire Sludge as a supervisor as a mountain highway explosive technician. From 1949-1990s, newly developed provincial highways were the gold mine of jobs.
At 20 years old I was put in a leadership position overseeing between 4 and 30 soldiers at different times. I successfully led them though combat missions having to make decisions in high stress situations while maintaining 100% accountability of over 1 million dollars of equipment. Sell yourselves better men. You're way more qualified than most people with a piece of paper showing how they took out a loan to learn very little
The better question is what type of math he did he do while being a mortar man, or what interests he has instead of combat. He eventually became a biology teacher.
There were no wars on territory of USA since 1864. On one hand, it's great for the Americans. On the other hand, how tough it was on American GIs to run to this kind "clueless" people?
Sledge did he became a biology professor with PhD and obviously he wrote “With the Old Breed” he did come from an educated background he father was a doctor.
Sledges book “With the Old Breed” is one of the greatest combat narratives ever written. This man saw “life” (and death) on a level that few people on earth can comprehend. And she was worried about accounting.
Accounted for confirmed kills and ammo. Helped engineer a bridge for safe passage and partook in journalism by way of writing history, letters home and a personal diary. Next question???
Thank God nowadays just about all military schools give you college credits. Boot camp by itself gives you plenty. But a job as technical as a mortarman in this case is just unbelievable. Really helps our boys out after their service.
If you're ever in the military and you have to work with civilians you'll find that, unless those civilians were also in, you probably won't like them, especially if you were or are combat arms.
Exactly how my friend was after coming back from Afghanistan. Just absolutely disgusted with me as a person, and tbh I was at a pretty low point in my life so I don’t blame him. Just vanished and never heard from him again. 5 years and zero word from him. I pray for him regularly.
Mmmm. Not, really. For the most part military ppl ain't too smart. Especially enlisted. Especially Army. 15th Finance Battalion at Ft. Hood is the most incompetent ppl ever.
@@watata1t He is obviously smart enough to respond well to training, he got very good at a task he set his mind to, and that can translate to literally any other task. He was trained to have discipline and to be a fucking weapon of a man. You have none of that, and you could use any of it to have been a more decent person.
Sledge became a stone cold killer, like any seasoned marine would have been by VJ day. Mortar squad is also what probably kept him alive. RIP to the victorious dead 🇺🇸🇯🇵
He’d make a good safety expert, bomb squad tech, policeman, fireman, roughneck. Anything where quick thinking, the ability to assess and overcome dangers, handling dangerous or hazardous machinery, and/or saving lives.
They don’t teach kids about Journalism or Engineering in high schools and they can register in bachelor degree just fine, I don’t see why he couldn’t do it, probably had a lot more experience with physics than most people.
The purpose of these interviews is not to accept or reject applicants to the university but to see if any schools he had in the military could translate to college credits or degrees. For example an army nurse could qualify to get their biology 101 course credit immediately. A pilot could qualify for an immediate associates degree in aeronautics, which would grant credits towards degrees in meteorology, engineering, or aviation science. Unfortunately front line jobs are the most important job in a military, bearing the brunt of casualties, trauma, and hardship, yet they have few skills that translate directly to being a civilian. Often, the things which gets these folks ahead is their relentless drive and ability to overcome stress from experience, which makes them good entrepreneurs and leaders of others.
@@CdrChaosI don’t think so. Wasn’t he referring to grenades which don’t require any kind of knowledge of chemistry because you aren’t making them and aren’t actually making the compounds himself just kind of “pulling the trigger” on them
This scene serves to indicate the complete disconnection between those at home and those from the front lines and all they experienced….probably the same for just about every conflict before and after…Korea, Vietnam etc
When your grandmother/ great grandmother met your grandfather/ great grandfather he was probably a mess. Your grandmother that kept the house and raised the kids healed your grandfather.
"Isn't there anything the Marine Corps taught you that you could continue in 'Bama Poly?" "Why yes, Kinetic energy generates the velocity with which the bullet exits the barrel, While the ballistic coefficient and sectional density determines the damage to its targets. Along with physics I learned about history, I helped write it....."
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Back in Mobile, Sledge reunites with his brother who got back from the ETO, as well as with his mother and father, who constantly worry about his nightmares that he keeps having, undoubtedly about his experiences in the Pacific. Sledge joins in the Auburn University (then known as the Alabama Polytechnic Institute), and Sledge continues to experience trauma even into a grand party and halfway into hunting with his father. Sledge is last seen in the series with a flower in his hand a the woods outside of his house then walking back before his final fate is revealed along with the other characters in the series.
Later life, Sledge attended the university and received a Bachelor of Science degree in 1949. Sledge gave up his hunting hobby, and a key turning point in his life and career followed when his father advised him that he could substitute bird watching as a hobby. Sledge started to assist the conservation department in its banding study efforts, the origin of his well known passion for the science of ornithology. He found his salvation in science, it kept the flashbacks of Peleliu and Okinawa at bay. Close, constant study of nature prevented him from going mad. However, the war stayed with him, and finally at the urging of his wife, he began to write his memoir "With the Old Breed At Peleliu and Okinawa", at last allowing him to put his horrors behind him. He returned to Auburn in 1953 where he worked as a research assistant until 1955. That same year he graduated from API with a Master of Science degree in botany.
From 1956 to 1960 Sledge attended the University of Florida and worked as a research assistant. He published numerous papers on Helminthology and in 1956 joined the Helminthological Society of Washington. He received his doctorate in biology from the University of Florida in 1960. He was employed by the Division of Plant Industries for the Florida State Department of Agriculture from 1959 to 1962. In the summer of 1962, Sledge was appointed Assistant Professor of Biology at Alabama College (now the University of Montevallo). In 1970 he became a professor, a position he held until his retirement in 1990. He taught zoology, ornithology, comparative vertebrate anatomy and other courses during his long tenure there. Sledge was popular with his students, organizing field trips and collections around town.
Eugene Sledge died after a long battle with stomach cancer in 2001, the same year that The Pacific's predecessor, Band of Brothers was released. (Fandom: The Pacific Wiki)
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Thank you! You'd give Paragraph Guy a run for his money!
RIP
So glad that he was able to move on after the war and lead such a successful career.
Semper Fi Sledge.
Read his book twice...
Incredible he made it home...
After the war, Eugene Sledge became a biology professor at The University of Montevallo. He said the pursuit of science helped him deal with his ptsd.
That’s so cool! I watched the series back in 2019 and I currently attend that university! I never knew that!
I find that PTSD is largely a disorder of understanding where you stand in the world that you were brought up in, compared to your deeds that is.
In an evangelical world, everything is largely taught in black and white; good and evil.
When you're constrained to that type of thinking; no wonder you can't cope with such things.
I think finally understanding that you got conned into doing it breaks most people if they ever get that far.
He wrote some damn fine books that are easy reads and hard to put down.
@@vladimirofsvalbard9477The world is black and white, and fallen humanity isn't able or equipped to deal with it on their own.
In a fallen, rebellious, alienated state, humanity loves to muddy the water and have so much be grey.
But Christ came to reconcile us to Him, give grace, rest and peace. To help us see our need, to see what God has done to provide for us,, to see things as they are. To empower us to live lives pleasing to Him, to know Him and to spend eternity with Him.
@@vladimirofsvalbard9477That’s not PTSD. You’re describing moral injury. PTSD is the physical manifestation of combat trauma.
"Did you do any accounting?"
"I accounted for a lot of dead JIA."
Japanese in action 💀
@@tharangabandara5778 Japanese imperial Army
@@OneChubbexactly
😮😮😮😮😮😮
"I deposited bullets in the bodies of the enemy."
"They taught me how my ptsd is not service related"
that's BS because they handed out 100% disabilities like candy during my 30 yrs at the VAMC.
I’m dead💀💀💀
A little bit of math- how to calculate the drop of an object over a distance in relation to velocity, wind and humidity.
actually I’ve seen it from veterans a lot of we2 vets didn’t get ptsd like people who served in man did
@@barrett206that’s because only 19% of WW2 Veterans served in combat as opposed to 40 to 60% of Vietnam Veterans
I loved him in this. Such a great actor. Ever since he was young. Usually stardom is the downfall for young actors but he excelled well.
Joseph Mazzello was the grandson in Jurassic Park, and John Deacon in Bohemian Rhapsody (and Rami Malik played Freddie Mercury). A good actor who has had some great parts.
@@calkelpdiver and Rourke in river wild and a lot of other good movies.
totally, After reading "with the old breed" i only wish _The Pacific_ had just focused on Sledge's story. Still good (and important) series, don't get me wrong.
@@trje246 This does look like a good series.
Very handsome actor.
I remember him from Radio Flyer. years ago. he had a brief part in social network also (zuckerbergs original team)
I run a small business and only employ veterans. My last hire was a marine infantryman who served in heavy combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. I teach them skills and train them to do the job. They deserve a job with paid training. We owe them that
I think you owe the iraqis that after killing a million of them with your war.
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879Not his war, the American people didn't vote for it.
@hatinmyselfiscool2879
There were not even close to 1 million Iraqis killed in the Iraq War. In war, everyone gets bit. It’s unavoidable.
If he doesn't drink or do heroin then you have one of the best company employees money can buy.
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 I don’t owe the Iraqis shit. I didn’t vote for that war. If you want reparations go ask George Bush. I’m doing my part to help the men and women who were forced to fight in that war.
That's heartbreaking. Combat veterans do all the worst jobs in the military and aren't left with any experience that can help them once they are out of the military. What the hell are you supposed to do with the knowledge of how to kill people in the real world?
Use it.
Become a hitman or become a mercenary, maybe Blackwater
Join Wagner PMC
@@macfoster1875 and say if you didn't want to keep killing you would be completely out of luck
Be like our boy frank castle
Journalism? Why, yes. I helped write history.
Excellent comment!
@@leventhumps3861not just the liberals the conservatives are also trying to rewriting our history.
@@leventhumps3861history is constantly being rewritten as we learn more and uncover more documents and written experiences, this is not a liberal issue
@@leventhumps3861over my dead body this time
@@RusticRonniesite what exactly we’re trying to “rewrite” kid
Thank God there is no annoying music in the background of the clip
"Why yes ma'am as a matter of fact i was a research physicist with an emphasis on studying the effects of ballistic energy transfer of dense high velocity particles through soft organic mediums..."
Oooo that’s good. That’s real good. Need to write that down.
Do you write resumes for a living? 😂
Im gonna use this lmao
Welp gonna steal this.
Particle Physics, Fluid Dynamics, practical stuff like Shockwave properties and effects on Human Anatomy.
The little touches in this scene are brilliant. He’s wearing a suit while all the other applicants are still in uniform. The way she says USMC, innocently negating in an instant the four years of suffering he experienced.
She's not negating anything. She's supposed to help him get a job not therapy.
@@fili0938 good argument. nonetheless I would've gone the route of being sensitive and respectful if I were her, despite accounting for factors like the lack of internet knowledge back in the day, her southern accent indicating a rural background, and the fact that she's female and will not have to worry about dealing with these sorts of issues. I heard as well that in the memoir, the girl was actually apologetic, and that's ok.
Agreed Cropcircler! ❤ I think she was literally ignorant/oblivious to any and every horror soldiers experienced. This was probably the first time anyone's made her think realistically
@@DocM.Back then the image of war back home was mostly influenced by propaganda. You'd see maybe five minutes of news reels in the cinema before a movie, and thats the only moving pictures you got. If you watch that old footage, it doesn't seem to reflect the reality of war that well - and it wasn't supposed to, because that would've prevented people from signing up. Nobody really knew about stuff like PTSD and many vets probably weren't eager to talk about their experiences. It was pretty difficult to _not_ be oblivious to the horror back then, since there was barely any way to learn about it besides having a vet tell you.
@@DerMoerpler Well said!
Mortar Teams = trigonometry, explosives training = chemistry, weapons training = mechanical skills.
Market yourself well.
I highly doubt that handling a mortar rounds equates in any way to chemistry, or that changing angles on a mortar equals mechanical skills.
Marketing yourself is all well, except when you stretch the truth so much that you start lying
Maybe, maybe the math. And that stuff is worked out in advance so a mortor man doesn't need to do all the math.
Handling weapons explosive isn't the same as engineering explosives.
What chemistry? He didn't make the explosives.
Engineering? What Engineering exactly?
And she is just seeing if any of his skills might be useful for continuing education. He can always start fresh, just like anyone just going to college.
Also you learn surveying. You ever see those guys with a tripod on the streets. You’re taught that as a 0341.
@24105252 LOL Here's something to think on: mortars being fired requires chemistry knowledge (practical chemistry applications), how to angle (geometry/triginometry), how to repair the machines when they went down or had a jam (engineering) & tactical advance/retreat during combat (strategic geology, knowing when to hide in the cave or pass it up because it's full of lime or granite). There's a skill in knowing how to market oneself.
And instead of "explosives," say "accelerants." Sounds more technical
Bro, survived Jurassic Park and then was sent to the Pacific
WAIT THAT'S TIM FROM JURASSIC PARK???
And then played bass for Queen. What a life.
Don't forget he also fights off can alien from another universe while wearing and AI exoskeleton suit from another universe while trying to find a cure for his aids.
@@dankengine5304yup that's Timothy "Tim" Murphy (Joseph Mazzello) from Jurassic Park.
Holy. Fuck. It's him. I've watched the Pacific DOZENS of times and never put it together. Jesus.
I think what gets me is that they got a really young looking actor for Sledge. He has a boyish quality that makes the haunting experiences all the more worse. It’s that classic loss of innocence story. Except it was a real young man’s life.
He was young. Twenty five years later we were younger.
It definitely makes it hit even harder, with how softly he looked and was spoken. You don't even notice his chapped lips until he leans in. Especially when she starts asking for his experience and his eyes start to well up because he realizes how absolutely boned he is.
Child actor
He’s the kid from Jurassic Park in case you didn’t know
Look up a picture of Eugene Sledge as a young man, because he looked pretty boyish, he was only 19 when he enlisted
"With The Old Breed At Peleliu" is one of the best books I have ever read. R.I.P., Sledge Hammer, and thank you.
"guys like me, polonsky and miller were considered 'the old breed'. 'old', we werent even out of our twenties."
Yeah its an awesome book. Helmet for my pillow by Robert Leckie is also a worthy read :)
The contrast between the Eugene at the start and this one towards the end... Brutal.
an excellent portrayal of the horrors of war
His WW1 Vet dad tried to warn him.@@Mububban23
@@r2gelfand Been a while since i watched so I don't remember all the details but I thought his dad only treated guys who came back from WW1, I didn't think he actually served.
Yes😮😮😮😮
It was exactly what his father feared would happen.
That line at the end though 🥶
Ikr?? I would've loved to have seen her eyes after he said it though...
@@ICU2B4UDO
Was he trying to scare her shitless or what??😅
@@Briselance Most civilians only see the war through newsreels and movies, where the heroes are all intelligent and talented and learned all kinds of skills and languages during their bootcamp. They did not realise that it wasn't glamourous at all, despite what John Wayne would have you believe.
@@ShadowMoon878 There were many who thought the soldier could do it all when most didn't realize the average soldier back then was cannon fodder...
@@BriselanceNah, he’s merely making it clear that the Marines taught him nothing but how to kill. So, it’s just pointing out how stupid her question is because he can’t possibly do anything he did over there back home. Also gives way to the insane expectations of these dudes after they’d been through hell back several times over. No real scope of the years of readjustment that would have to take place; at least his dad in the show knew when the mom was bugging him about sitting around for months.
He’s just lost in this scene.
I love his answer. The part where he and his father goes hunting and he breaks down makes me cry.
Me too. He’s tired of it all. He doesn’t want to end another living thing’s life. Such an awesome scene at showing his innocence returning, and someone going through PTSD. After watching a whole miniseries seeing what he went through to then see that scene, it makes you really empathize with Eugene
That part always gets me too no matter how many times I watch that scene.
Yeah that and his mum listening at his bedroom door while he’s screaming in his sleep get me every time…
Fr man, I'm trying my best not to cry
I understand she’s just trying to do her job, but wtf did she think Marines did in WWII? Fight in office buildings in Fortune 500 companies?
Yes, Sledgehammer did get pretty damn good at it.
Rest in Peace Mac.
Semper Fi!
Sledge did what he did best, "saving his buddies lives!" 🇺🇸
"Did you do any accounting?" "Just accounting the bodies we stacked."
Don't put quotes for some shit you made up. They are only used when your. S~
Don't put quotes for some shit you made up. They are only used when your. S~
LIES! Most Marines lost count.
_Did impact studies."_
_"Environmental?"_
_"Small arms."_
yes they did they taught the marine personal finance by not procuring a 2023 camaro on 20% APR...
Had an interview where I was asked that other than being a combat arms officer, did I ever have a real job.
"Thank you for your time, this opportunity is not for me. Don't call me, your questions convinced me as a potential employer you would make this an equitable investment in both our time."
Jodi did the interview, civilians can't and will never understand. When I get asked questions about Afghanistan or Somalia my reply is most the time is f ck off why do you want to know. I'm more bitter with civilian pukes than Alquda, Taliban or Elshabaz.
Their ignorance is staggering...
now here in germany, when you serve your time in the last 2-3 years of it you are allowed to learn a job and the army will pay for it.
so things like that cant happen.
You musta been a shit officer to not been able to get a management role
'Isn't there anything the Marine Corps taught you that you could continue in 'Bama Poly?'
'They taught me how to be homeless as fuuuuuu-'
And be damned good at it
making the best hobos since 1775
As an Iraq war veteran, that hit home
To be fair, sleeping outside, not being bothered by anything. Waking up in a second. Ready for a knife fight at any time. Eating shitty food with your hands. The military is excellent at teaching hobo skills.
"They taught me how to eat crayons. I got pretty good at it." 🖍 😋
If he was in a mortar squad wouldn't he have to have learned ranging / elevation / etcetera? That's at least basic trigonometry and kinematics
Yeah, but the point is she's a civilian and they didn't bother to train her in this intake process properly. That was him dropping a hint without bragging and she didn't ask any followup questions.
When my Sgt got out he went into land survey (he was mortars as well)
@@joelfrancisco3798that is a legitimately perfect fit
Good background for land surveying
I was trained to be a mortar squad leader in 2014. Everyone in a mortar squad, including the leader, is mostly doing manual labor. The squad leader gets a fire command that includes the direction, elevation and how much charge packets to add to the mortar. That fire command is generated by "calculator" NCOs who translate company level fire commands into fire commands for each individual mortar. But it's not like they are solving ballistic equations, they have a map and a compass-like paper thing that shows them what elevation and how many packets to use to go a certain distance. The combinations of packet and elevation have been determined on a test range. Of course nowadays the "calculator" NCOs are actually just radio operators because all of this happens on a single computer at company HQ. But they probably still train how to do it the old fashion way just in case.
Amazing how he portrayed showing up cheerful and hopeful and gradually under her questioning got more and more frustrated until he was on the verge of exploding. They cut the clip a bit too short because they don't show him storming away. Great actor.
Fun fact, from my own experience.
Combat veterans work really well in Healthcare.
Iv met lots of veterans that have got into Nursing and paramedicine, and they ate honestly some of the best, hardworking, and organised lot you can get.
One of my close colleagues served in Bosnia, Iraq and two tours in Afghanistan, he was a Nursing Assistant and then went on to study to become a paramedic.
He was a true grafter, incredibly organised and caring, really down to her kinda guy.
can confirm, when I got into a wreck I had a retire Corpsman as my nurse, best nurse I've ever heard, got my Iv right every time always made sure everything I needed was taken care of
Same shit different day. I got out and discovered that all those "we hire veterans" signs are lies. All of that "valuable leadership experience" doesn't mean a damn thing. Even the directly applicable technical skills I learned wouldnt translate because "we're not sure it really works the same outside a military context." So, I got to be homeless. Luckily, Uncle Sam did prepare me for that with all those nights in the field.
Sledge did get into Alabama Polytechic and did a Masters in botany though. He still came from an educated background after all.
My grandfather served as a Sergeant in a machine gun company in France. After the war he didn't have a lot of skills or education. Luckily the men in his unit called in some favors and got him a good job. Sometimes your friends are all you really have.
@colinsanders9397 I'm sorry to hear how people have treated you. I got to be homeless because of lead & mold poisoning and something like chronic Lyme Disease made me housebound-level ill for too long to work. People can be so deceptive, selfish & exploitive: if you can't immediately be beneficial for them, they dump you. There are people who deserve the grateful help of a nation, and those who we send to fight on our behalf deserve to be at the top of that list. I wish I had an opportunity for you, but all I can do right now is to hope you find people who will love you and give you an opportunity to learn a new occupation.
@@MinnesotaGuy822unfortunately our most of our wars were fought for greed, control and power rather than defense of its citizens and sovereignty.
@@TruthIsLikePoetryand that fact changes what for the average veteran?
This made me emotional, after 35 years in the military, dealing with civilians and all the bureaucracy does my head in.
35 years in the military and it's the civilians that do your head in? Really?
I only did a little over four years, but even then, civilians drive me nuts sometimes. Grew up on military bases even before I enlisted myself. Two different worlds.
@@davidwholly5209 Absolutely.
Yes, ma'am. I did bring back something that I can carry with me through Alabama Polytechnic; I can overcome, adapt and persevere through any obstacle set before me.
Right, the non psycho killer answer.
@@itsacorporatething quiet pssy
Doubtful but ok.
Oh look, the boomer approach to job interviews
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 Cringe comment and you thumbed yourself up 🤣
I've just started watching The Pacific for the third time. Everyone goes on that it's not as good as Band Of Brothers but it is every bit as good. It goes deeper into the minds of the men than its predecessor and is much more nuanced. The utter misery of life in the Pacific theatre and the fanaticism of the enemy so graphically shown is something Easy Company never had to face. The more I watch the more I like.
Agreed. It’s not been a question since the first episode came out for The Pacific when I was in middle school. It has always had an impact on me equal to BoB. If not an even stronger one in many ways. Combat is starkly different when fighting an enemy who’s culture drives them to truly be suicidal in an effort to maybe kill you. War trauma isn’t a competition, but just from an honest look at what Pacific troops endured, I know without a doubt that theater would have made an animal out of me. To me, it is the most savage modern military conflict the likes of which we won’t see again and this show paints that so well with an outstanding cast.
Definitely more dark but I think people coming from BoB expect a similar experience of following 1 company through the whole war. Where the Pacific had 3 very different POVs. It’s a bit jarring at first but it gave you a broader perspective of the war on the Pacific. Definitely felt more personal too
Band of brothers glorified war and the pacific showed the true horror of war
Was a more brutal campaign, against a fanatical enemy fighting to the death, with no nice R&R back in London between short battles.
The war correspondent Ernie Pyle started the war reporting on the war in Europe and originally downplayed the Pacific Theater. Then he transferred to the Pacific and the brutal of island hopping campaigns quickly changed his mind. Pyle was killed in action by Japanese machine gun fire on Iejima in April 1945 during the Okinawa campaign.
Damn, a lot of soldiers die in combat. These men had interests, futures, careers, families, all taken away with a single shot or shrapnel
Edit: 90 likes sheesh thanks
And I know a hell of a lot more who died when they came back because they didn't get the support they needed to get back into life. Used and cast aside.
I often think of the history that could have been created by war dead, like they could find a cure for diseases or anything
I'd suggest reading the book this is based on. You really see that most of these guys were just late teens or early 20s, kids really in any sane measure. Eugene Sledge talks about some that don't make it and you do get a sense of how much is lost when these young people don't make it home.
@@SprikSprak I have a a book related to one of the marines featured in “The Pacific” they knew sledge, leckie, and basilone. Its called voices of the pacific. It has a bunch of vets i cluding sid philips. You should read it
@@ricarte1986 thank you - I will 😊
In reality sledge got really mad and yelled something like “MISS THIS WAS A KILLING WAR, AND I WAS SOMEONE THAT HAD TO DO SOME OF THAT KILLING”
He said everyone around stopped and just stared at him and the “poor woman” looked extremely embarrassed/horrified
In his later life he said he felt very embarrassed about this moment.
He Really Shouldn't Have Though. It Makes Me Angry That He Got Embarrassed About It
In real life:
Sledge: Lady there was a killing war going on and I was one of the ones that have to do some of the killings.
The woman apologized with shame.
Sledge: That’s alright I know you don’t understand.
in real life? its the 1940s she would get slapped for talking back to him lol
@@jarejare63real life: her husband would have beat her if she told him that story
The 1940s was not an all you can eat slappathon for women
its annoying when they have word for word and first hand accounts of ineteractions and incidents and they change it for dramatic effect
@@jarejare63peoples conception of social etiquette in 1940s America has been completely demolished by modern propaganda. There were more gendered social rules but that also meant that there was an even higher expectation than there is today to be polite to women.
Undoubtedly there was more bad stuff happening behind closed doors but that wasn't happening in public between strangers.
USMC.. the way he answered was not by choice at the end..but that set the bar to a whole new level period!
I was trained on how to follow complex instructions, and then to give instructions while instilling integrity and discipline to large groups of men to lead them to accomplish our given goals and tasks in furtherance of our national interests, whole doing so I received many awards which have allowed me to be here today speaking with you.
"Miss, allow me to give you a crash-course in reality. Listen closely..."
I served in the USMC infantry. Afterwards I went to college and felt super weird and depressed because of the stark contrast between USMC and normal people. It’s that moment when you realize that you’re not the same person coming out as you were going in.
For me it was like when I joined, the real world was put on pause. Then all
This stuff happens and you get out and the play button is hit and life begins again, except all this shit just happened and now it feels like it didn’t happen and I was wondering what the f***. I don’t know, maybe that’s just me? Anyone else….?
Same for me but I was Army.
Nah it's like that for near everyone. I call it living in exile, or coming back from 10 years in exile.
EXACTLY! The Marines make warriors! And darn good ones! Thank you for your service! Most people will NEVER experience what it takes to earn the Title U.S. Marine and wear that uniform! Semper Fi!
@@tonytiger8451 did you?
@darrengilbert7438 no, i didn't! not
Mortar crews tend to do things that are itty bitty more complicated than regular grunts, at the very least the basic of balistics.
Today, they really don't... At least not as a standard procedure. Back then it was a *lot* of trial and error, because there were no computers but only charts that offer "ideal" data that does not consider many factors, most-importantly the ever-changing terrain.
If fires were not adjusted (like, for example, in any attack scenario) the skill they likely needed most was "improvisation".
Alabama Polytechnic Institute (API) is now known as Auburn University in Auburn, AL.
Yes it’s known as Auburn today.
@@tristanholland6445It was known as Auburn then. It was known as Auburn in the 1800s.
Nobody ever called it "bama poly" 😂
"Engineering?"
"Well I blew up a few, does that count?"
local Mafia is looking for someone with your skillset
Not unless both his parents came from Italy
Or he will never be "Made". Lol
After your discharge you realize very few civilians have any idea what you've been through
it’s crazy how you completely misinterpreted this scene tough guy
Nor have you any idea what they've been through, either. Mutual patience and understanding will carry one far. Intolerance will not.
@@brokeloser7236 i see your problem
@@DontLetTheOldManIn you're so right. that registrar babe looks like she's been to hell and back
@@worms1eh the idea is to be patient because they haven’t gone through what you have and you can’t expect them to be informed unless you had a long talk with them or they themselves served or worked with the military as a civilian employee. Gotta be humble and sell your military skills in a way that makes sense to civilian interviewers
I thought mortar guys used a non-trivial bit of math and charts to put weapons on target?
Depends on how you define it. Some basic trigonometry and geometry, and a bit of chart consultation. 8th/9th grade stuff in the end. Elementary algebra. It's combat arms USMC, remember. Absolute minimum requirements for that sort of thing.
Combat engineers use a bit of math to measure how much explosive is needed for breaches/demolition.
Yes, so basically he used the math he learned more actively and tangibly than 95% of the rest of the population who learn it ever will
As far as I know, that experience doesn't translate into college credits(which was the purpose of her questions, whether the guy realized it or not).
@@Cole_McGill They did not issue “college credits”, she is purely asking about real life experience.
The baker bakes, the barber cuts, and the cook cooks etc. as a basic infantryman the JOB is crystal clear and I quote "...You don't have to sacrifice for your country you make the other poor bastard sacrifice for his country..."
Semper Fi Mac!
Is that from Patton?
Coming home on post deployment leave from Afghanistan was a big culture shock for me, I couldn’t even imagine how these guys felt coming back from a war that was pure hell on earth.
Phenomenal acting. You can see the PTSD in his eyes, in his face. The movements with his body. Absolutely incredible performance. - Someone with CPTSD
I never served, but I couldn’t imagine what it’s like to be counted on in the most stressful situation known to mankind, being responsible for keeping your brothers in arms alive while you face death and have to be quick in though and action… then you come home and are treated as less-than.
Yet people wonder why we're all alcoholics.
@@Off-HandedBarrelyeah it’s kinda outlandish that people and the government were like why are so many veterans killing themselves?
Turns out committing violence on the states behalf will do that to a normal person. Like the soldiers in Afghanistan were put in situations where the enemy could be anyone, even women and children. Soldiers who in a split second had to decide if they were going to shoot a child or civilians because they had almost no time to determine if they were an enemy or not.
Putting soldiers in positions where they would commit war crimes because they only had mere seconds to react. Raiding houses to only determine it’s just a civilian house. Etc etc, shit like that.
Then the general combat against guerrilla forces who were fanatical. Suicide bombers of all kind. The government traumatizes these soldiers by having them commit acts of violence.
I’d only serve if it was all out war against Russia or china but at that point I think the nukes are flying and if there isn’t nukes there would be a draft. I’d definitely get drafted.
I’m in decent shape, not stupid, and have no disabilities or anything that would disqualify me. That’s good enough for most branches and definitely the army.
If the nukes fly I have nowhere to run or hide. Definitely no money for a million dollar bunker. I’d spark up a joint and watch the boom booms.
@evangreenberg1666 I floated between security and insertion teams for Nightengale while attached to the 31st MEU until Sewoul. A handful of us were attached to SOCAF after that. 6th fleet, 40th TF, 10th NSWU. Though we spent just as much time on ships as we did land. Did TACEVAC/MEDEVAC and Spec Ops support/transport. Everything from SEALs and FAST teams to NATO infantry from France and Britain. Mainly spent time with African Union troops from different countries and transporting civilians to hostpital ships. Fought Boko Haram, Al Shabab extremist, and warlords for 3 1/2 years trying to help people that didn't want it. Pulled security for TCETT airlifts and handoffs. Came home to divorce papers and a medical discharge. No non-combat related skills. Handful of pills every day just to work a crap job and fight the government for services. Show of hands who even knows we have troops in Africa.
When I got out, I was told all I could do was shoot, but ptsd wouldn't let me, so I better turn to day labor I've been a manager in retail I don't know what's worse staying in service, retail, day labor or being dead.
The following scene when he goes hunting with his dad is just heart breaking.
Thats how it felt at ACAP getting out as an infantryman, hearing everyone else talk about their skills that translate to the civilian world.
Love this scene as it really shows the ignorance that a lot of people had at the time of what they went through. They didn't attend summer camp and learn lots of new skills, they fought in a literal hellscape and got PTSD for the rest of their life.
why should she care
@user-yd9od2xu9q
Because of what he went through for America and its citizens, that’s why.
She literally doesn't know where and in what capacity he served.
@@user-yd9od2xu9qBecause She Should
@@user-yd9od2xu9qShe Really Should Do
There's a movie made in 1946 called "The Best Years of Our Lives". There's a scene exactly like this one.
An excellent film - very honest
Worst part is USMC is kinda the worst one out of all of them for continuing civ life after. Not a lot of white collar jobs or high end blue ones. Which sucks because USMC has the hardest jobs along with the Army.
Ain't no heroes in a white collar racket anyway.
@@thatonedude5667Except the people trying to cure cancer.
@@thatonedude5667 Nobody likes a hero. People like those who contribute to society.
@@iloveyoushima after over a hundred years of formally industrialized medicine, how's that coming?
Just more low to no honor sheep who never put themselves on the line but rather make lots of money by dragging things along.
@@thatonedude5667as a neurosurgeon, I disagree.
I learned the hard way when I got back from war that infantry skills don’t mean shit out in the real world. Most the guys that do the hard fighting come back and have very hard lives after.
Damn
She a bit rude
It felt like an insult when she asked if the Marine corps taught him anything.
Like he said he was in a mortar squad and handled explosives.
That should be enough of an answer
That conversation might not have ever actually happened. It wasn't about her being rude, she was a metaphor of how the men who fought in the war often felt like they spent their formative years going through hell just to come back and feel like they got nothing out of it other than a medal and psychological trauma.
she wasn't rude
@@Breadnought_ no she was just being a dumb shallow bitch
not intentionally rude, just rather junior and very ignorant. Technically she did not say" taught him anything", but more like "taught you anything that you can continue with here". A bit crude and ignorant, but not intentionally rude I think.
Not rude at all. We watched his entire journey and suffering, so we are on his side - why isn't this man given what he deserves for all of it?!
But look at it from her side - there are a bunch of young men, applying for college, with no skills in the years where they should have plenty, and they need to be a productive members of society in peace. Even if she knew about all the horror of the things Sledge went through, questions would have been the same - sir, do you have ANY skills that can be used in peace and in civilian world?
There are many positions in the army that would give you those. Various drivers, logistics personnel (every branch and unit has them), communication (again, every unit has them)...
He had none, he was a grunt. So, a college has no use for him when there are many others in line (and positions were limited) that had SOME skills usable in peace time. They had to pick, for a limited number of spaces, out of millions that were coming back from the war, the best fit.
It is all nice and well that he was good at killing Japs for 4 years, but war is over, and you need to do something for the rest of your life... and it would be irresponsible for a government/institution to give you something to do, for which you have no skills, just because you killed people during the war. There ARE other jobs, this was a recruitment for college, highest academic institution. She was completely in the right and not rude at all.
He came from the war, straight to college no less, with no skills in any of the subjects relevant... and expected something. Why? If anyone's rude, its him, regardless of how much I like his character in the show and how I respect actual people who fought.
Reasons like this is why American troops can get free collage
Sometimes, the worst thing that can happen to a soldier who's made for war, is that they never died.
This is no hate towards any veteran, just an unfortunate truth. A man made for war, who has served in war, will often make their own war in their own minds should they make it through such hell.
I WAR every day. 10 years retired, I try to be normal and happy. I’ve failed, it’s too awkward. I can’t talk to normal people because we have nothing in common. My conversation subject matter makes them uncomfortable. Especially when they realize how I describe the horrible conditions of war with such ease. I’m that man made for war, I am lost because I have no war.
@msgtmac8115 Go join some volunteer divisions in the UKR-RU conflict. Heck or isreal. There's plenty of war going on still.
@@DwagonierI am sure that something that troubles your mind that much will not be alleviated by experiencing even more of it.
Wars are for ever, but warriors are not. There is a reason they usually send 20 year olds, and not 50 year olds. The shift in perspective does a lot to your perception and tolerance towards violence and danger. I am not too sure if I would still willingly go out into a warzone twenty years from now.
@hustensaftvernichter3785 father served in JTF2 im pretty sure i know what it's like. So nice one online warrior. If they want war, they got it. Plain and simple
@@Dwagonier I don't see what you are trying to say. Being a father going to war is *much* different than a single, young man. At least to me and everyone I got to know during my own military life. The perspective is a lot different for many people once they have a family of their own to return to and the risks (at least in combat roles) seem to be much less acceptable.
''If they want war, they got it.'' ...But do they, really?! I think a lot of that is an exaggeration of the misplacement they feel once they realize they haven't got anyone who remotely understands what it's like. I don't think they really wish to return once they are out of their prime and there is a good reason Infantrymen (for example) are considered senior once they reach their 30's. You know exactly what I mean if I say we are not on the sharp end forever, both mentally and physically.
Still to this day if you go to any combat arms you have only have a few skills. Killing, managing stress, dealing with boredom followed by high intensity life or death back to boredom.
E B Sledge is a legend. His book “With the Old Breed” is required reading if you like history. Or if you just want to appreciate how good your life is.
If I remember his book correctly the woman apologized immediately to him and Sledge felt bad for snapping.
I served in the Afghan National Army ma'am, they taught me how to smoke hash and run away
Factual
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Well the good news is u are prepared for modern college now
Also advanced pedophilia!
What we have here are two aliens with completely contrary life experiences meeting one another. I never felt so alien upon returning home. After several tours abroad I think I shared more life experiences with convicts than anything else. Which is sad. Police was a good second choice, and I took it. Many do.
The american civilians never really experienced the war. It must have been different for the british and german people.
Did you victimize more people as a soldier or a 🐽?
oink
I got pretty damn good at it. 😆 Damn cold as ice
And its not worth anything
@@watata1t It's worth everything.
@@Flintlock1776 Job is part of everything, and he sure as hell aint getting that one. So no its not worth anything.
“I was taught how to handle explosives, which means I can handle any potential A-holes with explosive tempers.”
Ive been out of the infantry for 10 years. Still feel like Sledge.
Fun story. I was talking to a woman recently and as I have done many times in my life I was explaining to her how all man have to register for the draft when they turn 18 (and if you dont think you did, you did. Even if you didnt yourself. Through your driver's license or any number of things. Anyway if you somehow slipped through the cracks if there was an actual draft on youd quickly find yourself unslipped.) She at first didnt believe me, "They dont do that anymore." I finally convinced her. Her response? "Well that just isnt fair. Woman should have the right to be drafted if they want to be."
*Takes off glasses, closes eyes, pinches bridge of nose*
Hardest line in the whole show to be honest if you know the backstory
What a wonderful series. We honor all that served
He has damn good skills of handling tough situation, working under extreme pressure and getting job done.
I've assisted veterans with resume updates; the best advice i received was from a USMC coworker, that civilians just don't understand military experience. I learned to interview these veterans and rewrite their experience into civilian speak.
Is that the boy who appeared in Jurassic Park? 😂
Yes it is
@@RanaltheBeetleHe's come a long way from being a human piece of toast
That line is cold.
Id hire Sludge as a supervisor as a mountain highway explosive technician. From 1949-1990s, newly developed provincial highways were the gold mine of jobs.
At 20 years old I was put in a leadership position overseeing between 4 and 30 soldiers at different times. I successfully led them though combat missions having to make decisions in high stress situations while maintaining 100% accountability of over 1 million dollars of equipment.
Sell yourselves better men. You're way more qualified than most people with a piece of paper showing how they took out a loan to learn very little
The better question is what type of math he did he do while being a mortar man, or what interests he has instead of combat. He eventually became a biology teacher.
There were no wars on territory of USA since 1864. On one hand, it's great for the Americans. On the other hand, how tough it was on American GIs to run to this kind "clueless" people?
??? The Japanese attacked US territories like Guam, etc. also had an entire force land on an island on Alaska
@@vrcmf3172 He obviously referred to the US mainland. Essentially no american civilians died in the entirety of WW2.
@@y.r._ The Japanese and Germans tried particularly hard, they just weren't very good at it.
@@y.r._ Alaska is a US state. Also 911 was on US soil.
@@vrcmf31729/11 was a war? I thought it was a day.
Marines can do anything
somehow I doubt the marine corps prepares you to be both a trapeze artist and a nuclear scientist at the same time...
@@r31n0ut anything that requires reasonable training 😮
Sledge did he became a biology professor with PhD and obviously he wrote “With the Old Breed” he did come from an educated background he father was a doctor.
Semper Fi
Id say he learnt a valuable skill at the time otherwise he would not be standing there answering the questions.
Sledges book “With the Old Breed” is one of the greatest combat narratives ever written.
This man saw “life” (and death) on a level that few people on earth can comprehend. And she was worried about accounting.
Put some salt on that
Auburn is still dumb. Roll Tide.
War Eagle.
@@cooperchappell8310the fact that you nerds say that with a straight face is the proof
Hell yeah!!
Accounted for confirmed kills and ammo. Helped engineer a bridge for safe passage and partook in journalism by way of writing history, letters home and a personal diary. Next question???
Timmy is now a grown up 😂
He went from ‘she is really pretty and seems nice’ to ‘you have no F’ING idea what l can do!’ in about three sentences from her.
Thank God nowadays just about all military schools give you college credits. Boot camp by itself gives you plenty. But a job as technical as a mortarman in this case is just unbelievable. Really helps our boys out after their service.
If you're ever in the military and you have to work with civilians you'll find that, unless those civilians were also in, you probably won't like them, especially if you were or are combat arms.
He is a civilian now bro.
@techmarine83 once you're a marine you're always a marine. Retired or not
Then, maybe it's time for you to develop as much patience for them as they have to for you.
Exactly how my friend was after coming back from Afghanistan. Just absolutely disgusted with me as a person, and tbh I was at a pretty low point in my life so I don’t blame him. Just vanished and never heard from him again. 5 years and zero word from him. I pray for him regularly.
Mmmm. Not, really. For the most part military ppl ain't too smart. Especially enlisted. Especially Army. 15th Finance Battalion at Ft. Hood is the most incompetent ppl ever.
Civilians just don't understand
No, we just don't care, because it don't translate to civilan life
@@watata1t oh buddy hope you never get drafted. A little compassion for those that sacrifice sanity so you can be yourself isint much to ask.
@@LF77Z buddy, im conscripted because we were invaded in 1939, you just invaded
@@watata1t He is obviously smart enough to respond well to training, he got very good at a task he set his mind to, and that can translate to literally any other task. He was trained to have discipline and to be a fucking weapon of a man. You have none of that, and you could use any of it to have been a more decent person.
It's not like we don't want to. We can't...
Sledge became a stone cold killer, like any seasoned marine would have been by VJ day. Mortar squad is also what probably kept him alive.
RIP to the victorious dead 🇺🇸🇯🇵
Love his response and delivery of it
A good demonstration of how quickly the troops we hold as heroes are left at dead ends and forgotten. Some things change worryingly little.
He’d make a good safety expert, bomb squad tech, policeman, fireman, roughneck. Anything where quick thinking, the ability to assess and overcome dangers, handling dangerous or hazardous machinery, and/or saving lives.
He made a good botanist it turns out.
LAPD would hire him exactly.
They don’t teach kids about Journalism or Engineering in high schools and they can register in bachelor degree just fine, I don’t see why he couldn’t do it, probably had a lot more experience with physics than most people.
The purpose of these interviews is not to accept or reject applicants to the university but to see if any schools he had in the military could translate to college credits or degrees. For example an army nurse could qualify to get their biology 101 course credit immediately. A pilot could qualify for an immediate associates degree in aeronautics, which would grant credits towards degrees in meteorology, engineering, or aviation science.
Unfortunately front line jobs are the most important job in a military, bearing the brunt of casualties, trauma, and hardship, yet they have few skills that translate directly to being a civilian. Often, the things which gets these folks ahead is their relentless drive and ability to overcome stress from experience, which makes them good entrepreneurs and leaders of others.
Handling explosives? That’s chemistry and physics.
@@CdrChaosI don’t think so. Wasn’t he referring to grenades which don’t require any kind of knowledge of chemistry because you aren’t making them and aren’t actually making the compounds himself just kind of “pulling the trigger” on them
@@artg6700 First-hand experience with the reaction of gunpowder on various real-world objects and materials.
@@artg6700Mortars are not grenades. They are completely different.
Fucking Auburn
"Any technical skills?" "Lady, I made explosives fall from the sky with math. Seems like a technical skill to me."
This scene serves to indicate the complete disconnection between those at home and those from the front lines and all they experienced….probably the same for just about every conflict before and after…Korea, Vietnam etc
Well then, campus security it is
she is heavenly! that voice!!
When your grandmother/ great grandmother met your grandfather/ great grandfather he was probably a mess. Your grandmother that kept the house and raised the kids healed your grandfather.
That answer is cold from Sledge
"Isn't there anything the Marine Corps taught you that you could continue in 'Bama Poly?"
"Why yes, Kinetic energy generates the velocity with which the bullet exits the barrel, While the ballistic coefficient and sectional density determines the damage to its targets.
Along with physics I learned about history, I helped write it....."
Sedges book was outstanding