heard the electric servos moving the flight controls. as someone who has lost a couple autopilot servos in flight I would want a redundant flight control system :)
There's already two different flight control systems. The flight surfaces and the motor controllers .It can fly like a plane and a drone. With some clever software you can have them act as backups for each other.
i was worry that Black Fly concept is dead, glad to see it is continued!!! thank you! it is the most interesting design out of other electric flying concepts
What is the congtingency for power loss? Planes have a glide ratio, helicopters will autorotate. Parachutes need time to deploy, which you won't have only a few hundred feet off the ground.
@@PaxHeadroom the ballastic parachute works from 400ft and higher. You could even have lost both wings on a generic plane and it would still work. Given, the 400ft to ground, or ground to 400ft is the dangerous part. That said, flying near ground is always dangerous as it gives you no/less time to react.
I think the chute it is a necessity, in the slim chance of a catastrophic battery failure. But having said that, this design does have a significant amount of wing area. Does anyone know if there are flight controls on the wing surfaces? It seems if those were available they could be of some assistance below 400 feet, for a controlled crash. Probably the added complexity and weight would make this undesirable though.
They are better off using Turbines. In the long run, the batteries will end up in a landfill and the turbines would be better for the environment. Plus they are efficient and much more powerful. They can build it with a bunch of turboprops.
It's vexing for sure! I think even current gen LiFiPo batteries might inch over that hurdle for a decent range of automotive applications.. That said, electric drivetrains in aviation will never replace jet engines. The best a motor can do is spin a propeller.
Pivotal sound so ominous like it’s coming to take our cars away… Quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever seen! The wings take so much of the load I was not expecting that.
wow as someone who has lived near (1/2 mile ) an Local airport for some 67 years never seen such an amazing air craft its totally amazing its capabilities
@@DJZLOY I would like to see documentation of that. It certainly is not quieter than conventional electric powered planes or gliders. Those 8 small props rotating at high speed, create a lot of higher pitched sounds, that are quite different from a conventional propeller. I am suggesting that it would be more noticeable/annoying than conventional aircraft. Also pointing out that, with the hover capability, you might have situations, where more of these would be occupying a smaller space, than conventional aircraft, thus creating a veritable beehive of loud noise. Still, I would be happy to be proved wrong. I think this thing is pretty cool idea, and would like to see it succeed.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Why? What's the difference in your opinion, between the two, used in this context? I am now your student, enlighten me 🙂
@@TheScreamingFrog916 Thank you for your kind inquisitive reply. Since i'm one who strives like Orwell did to communicate in accurate, correct, ordered, precise, proper, sound intelligent English hence a Right logophile and linguist in part, i will preface with this: *"Only God creates, the rest of us just copy."* ~ Michelangelo I hope you learn that even Galileo knew that only God creates, Galileo knew that only God is subject of the word "create" which he learned in the Bible, he knew it is only something God is able to do, not man or the Devil and Galileo knew the Bible well enough to know that the word "Creator" according to God Himself means there is only one who is able to be the Creator since there is the Creator and the creation/what He created. Even the laws of physics which God/Jesus created, prove only God/Jesus creates - energy emanates from Him thus not possible to create it or destroy etc _[God/Jesus is a consuming fire as Scripture teaches.]_ Let's give our Creator the eternal glory and praise and all that goes with it that only He deserves since it is only possible for Him to be the Creator, He is imitated but never duplicated.
Pretty cool. Pretty noisy too. Not sure if it's neighborhood friendly because of that. I don't think it will be a good option for door dash delivery. 🙂 Pivotal should be talking to Amprius about their high performance batteries. They would make a great partner.
Very interesting. Pushing the envelope. The technologies (batteries, motors, controls, safety systems) will only get better! What do you think of electric powered aircraft ? I hear a yardie accent! Blessup! Keep up the good work.....
How much redundancy does it have in the power and control system? As I watch this I think of how many times my RC aircraft suffer an electronic glitch and simply stop functioning. At such low altitudes without forward speed or wings to glide even a ballistic parachute system would not help.
My reaction too, whether the software is open source as in our models or developed in-house there's no way I'm climbing into that thing! Everybody seems to ignore is that there have been small personal crafts available for well over a century now, from Santos-Dumont "Demoiselle" to ultra light Mosquito helicopter kits, and they have actual usable range. What these EVTOL's bring to the table seems to be fully automated flight e.g. no pilots licence required and all that's needed is for the authorities to allow it (never going to happen).
FIRST Real Air taxi to me! All others have cheated by staying within the "ground effect". If you trust it to fly for 10 mins, you can go up and look at the clouds, and come back - or more useful things. Its not a toy! Well Done!
Looks like it was built by Oceangate. Does it come with a playstation controller? I heard it has two controls just so they can sell you an expensive piece of equipment twice for no reason.
Stunning capture! May I feature this takeoff and landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
@nathansmith7153 do you think it will glide like a fixed wing aircraft or autorotate like a helicopter? I think it wouldn't do either so I agree with the comment you replied to!
@@nathansmith7153 planes don't fall out of the sky... they glide and can usually get to a safe landing spot and helicopters can auto rotate to slow the landing down these are the only things that "fall out the sky"....
@@ditherjannev2590 you realise flying at the height it does a parachute wouldn't even have time to inflate never mind the fact it would take time for him to also deploy it so a parachute in this case would be useless unless it flew higher
As an electrical engineer I just don’t see battery technology advancing fast enough to make this any more than an engineering exercise. Same for EVs. I’ve been involved in drones since 2008 with the military and I don’t see anything advancing to make this go longer than 40 minutes in our lifetime
@@jimsteinway695 this one probably isnt. There are other design who fly, or better will fly longer distances and make more sense, like Lilium. Lilium is sadly a german company, here its regulations over regulations. On EV´s we now have the first 150kWh Solid State battery in the new NIO, and that can go 1000km (~620miles) and as a solidstate can charge really quick. In the US i see a problem with charging infrastructure still, in the european countries not so much. Norway sells under 2% ICE vehicles now every year, rest is all EV. They even have E-caterpillars and E-cranes now. But they are also only 5.5mio people.
@@jimsteinway695 agree. I don't understand why so many of these idea are strictly EV. I would think the logical evolution would be hybrid with a fuel cell.
@@smithnyiu Hybrid is the way. Look up the electric Grand Caravan. There are full electric, hybrid gas/electric and hybrid diesel (working like a generator to provide electric power) already flying. The manned quad/octo copter thing is a dead end, hybrid planes will be common in 10 years.
Ain't it great? LOL🤣 Fly or die....hmmm....choices...I think I'll fly and leave the dying to the pessimist. Of course --> We are all dying soon anyway, humans don't live long....think about it, but not for too long because you'll be dead! Live life...live and let live or cry and die.
With a slightly different design, the craft could come in on wing-/thrustborne flight and transition to VTOL (only thrust) closer to the ground, almost like a bird.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 from what I heard (motor rpm) the basics can be worked on with the existing hardware setup. It is more a matter of method than material.
How does it handle in crosswind landings? What is it stall speed and would it recover from a spin? How would it do in turbulence or storms? How long a flight time with lights and radio and instruments?
You may call it innovative (why?), while it's certainly the oddest-looking and very noisy. This is the vehicle that was previously called "Black Fly" a year or two ago.
@@kenhoward3512 Knicknames aside, this is the most impressive demo of a Vtol I've seen in terms of altitude and performance. The inclusion of flaps + ailerons utilizing a staggered high ratio, lifting body wing, allows forward flight at a reduced power draw. Definitely can't wait to see what these guys come up with for Gen 2/3
@@nighthawk0077 What is a lifting body wing? A lifting body is a fuselage that generates lift like a wing. A wing is an airfoil specifically for generating lift. I can not think of what a lifting body wing would be?
@@kenhoward3512 I've been aware of the project for sometime (inc. when the prototype was called BlackFly) and now it's in production, I'm no less impressed. I consider it innovative because of its simplicity. To my knowledge no other E-VTOL has managed to achieve both VTOL and conventional aerodynamic flight solely through its geometric design and layout, without relying on complex thrust vectoring systems, dead-weight lift engines, or draggy semi-stowable components. Simplicity is an art in its own right, and in aviation, lower complexity translates to increased safety.
@LZEOpener had a winner design. However, the environment in which eVTOL can be operated does not yet exist. Perhaps, Opener could have succeeded with a more conventional approach to its flight profile, negating the real "V" and going for extreme (powered lift) STOL. One can literally hear that the power output must be increased significantly, the moment speed is reduced to zero. The very moment there is just marginal forward speed, motor noises go down quite a bit, that means that remaining in this slow-flight regime should simplify craft operation somewhat. Maybe there would be a compromise "sweet spot", which could produce a more budget-friendly version.
I see how many genious ideas went into this aircraft. Minimum of moving parts, yet two modes of flight - vertical takeoff/landing and faster cruise. Redundancy of motors/propellers, probably also batteries and the control system. Two wings with short wingspan for compactness, yet the wingtips are used for improving their efficiency. The wings creating lift in the cruise mode, much more energy efficient flight than drones or helicopters. The rear wing mounted higher, does not get in the wake of the front one while cruising. I love this craft, this is the future. I would add a little v-shape to the front wing for more roll stability, because it is lower than the center of mass in flight. But a modern control system can make it very stable anyway...
I would have to disagree. Unless it has a parachute system, it lacks the safey of helicopters and airplanes that can use gravitational potential energy to bring them down even with total power loss. These have been around but no one is really taking an interest because they are one, kinda hard on the eyes and two, they don't have the ability to have a controlled descent in the event of total power failure.
@@vangmountain It has a ballistic parachute, means effective on low altitudes. It also (very probably) can land on water from cruise flight. 'Heavy to the eye' is a subjective thing. To me it is looking very cool. See, for helicopters destruction of their rotor fan (or it's controlling mechanics) means uncontrollable fall. And the rotor has very complex mechanics, prone to failure. Airplanes are generally better, but they have a dangerous phase of flight, namely the landing. Piloting errors during landing are the most probable cause of accidents with planes. This VTOL looks beneficial even in comparison with planes.
@@petkish Good to know. I watched only a tiny part of the video. I can see it for skyscraper hopping like the jetsons, but for long duration flights, it cannot compete with the efficiency of airplanes. Personally, I find it a very ugly flying vehicle. Cheers!
The days of Jetsons r here. I thought flying personal vehicles was a unrealistic dream, but after seeing this my thoughts have changed. This could change personal travel by leaps and bounds and it's so much simpler than anyone would've imagined. I'm scared of flying and heights (after a fall when I was younger), but I would def fly this. It seems reasonable that individuals could fly these as personal vehicles directly from homes as it doesn't seem like u need ALOT of landing space. I seen a pilot comment about being worried about backup power if a mother went out, but the simplicity of those motors allow them to operate without failure for long stretches if time and there r how many other propellers in case u would lose one. That's the simple part, at least from my untrained eye, the propello4s and each powered by individual motors is what makes it safer since they look to be individually powered. Anyway I'm probablly way off with what I think makes these fly, but they still see to offer a realistic chance that personal flying vehicles will in fact be a real thing someday. One other thing, wouldn't it be better to use stretched fabric like on the piper cub wings to lighten the Pivotal even more? Removing weight and m9re engine power (power not needed from what I seen) but being lighter would enhance it in many ways. Awesome creation that inspires creative minds. I don't know much about aeronautics, but I do draw comics and I think the Pivitol will inspire some type of vehicle in my art lol. I hope these continue to advance and I look forward to flying one someday.
Interesting H/V curve. I suspect he spent most ofhis time in the red area. Whats with all the revving up and down? Doesn't sound very stable. Nice toy.
electric aircraft have better chances for redundancy than normal aircraft: an entire wing can fail along with the motors and you can design backup wings / spars etc.
I doubt it will go around the pattern more than twice. I'm also better there's not the standard 45 minute fuel reserve. It's a novelty not a useful vehicle
I’ve flown planes and helicopters in real life and radio control. Both offer methods to land safely in the case of an emergency. Drones fall like a rock if there is a problem. That said, I also fly drones and they are so consistent and dependable. If think that if they scaled up any DJI drone with all of the same built in programs then it would be pretty worthy of being manned. I would be nervous still though haha .
All those whirling blades . If this is to be mainstream, I’m wondering if screens or propeller guards will ever be incorporated into the designs. I have not seen any of these machines with them so far.
@@tundo1101these will not have guards. I see this type of comment all the time and people usually voice this fear out of lack of understanding. Except for the immediate take-off or landing phase, propellers alone pose a risk. as soon as the craft is flying, the wing behind the prop (or the guard itself, were one to be fitted) would constitute the far greater risk. All in all, guards are completely useless save for, perhaps, in devices designed to hover over prolonged periods of time in close proximity of people or structures. Anything, which will spend most of its operating time flying can do without guards.
How hard is it to fly? I know that quad copter drones are really easy to fly because the have so much soft-ware helping the pilot... I just wonder if this is the same way.
With those stubby little wings and all those rotors catching air, assuming you were at cruise speed and your rotors went dead, probably like 4:1 or 5:1, something ridiculous like that I'm sure. Potentially survivable if you had all the right conditions and skill to pull it off. Going low and slow like in this video? You're toast, you wouldn't have time to transition to aerodynamic lift before you were a lipo fire.
Once you remove the huge weight of a single big motor at the front, and replace with many smaller electric motors, all sorts of really sensible designs are possible. The weight distribution is better, dual wings instead of downward-pushing tail. All the torques get cancelled out. Very nice. I could see it being used for short hops in a city environment
You don’t need a downwards pushing tail in a single engine aircraft. You can go with a canard, or just negate stall recovery in a conventional design….just like your multi engine aircraft would no longer have.
Great video thank you. Also - thanks for NOT overlaying it with a music soundtrack. Too many good aviation videos wrecked with music these days!
Awww how cute, you think this video is real, AI wins again. 😂
Yes, especially the vtol crowd. They never want you to hear them.
Yeah, and the awesome VIOLENT zooming.
Awesome, sounds like we're in a foreign country
Yabba dabbaa doo
Wow! The way that thing took off was wicked. Very impressed
Mark this day! What a fantastic, brilliant concept. THIS is a WINNER!
heard the electric servos moving the flight controls. as someone who has lost a couple autopilot servos in flight I would want a redundant flight control system :)
No you didn’t! 😂
Go away
There's already two different flight control systems.
The flight surfaces and the motor controllers .It can fly like a plane and a drone.
With some clever software you can have them act as backups for each other.
@@glennchartrand5411 Do you fly aircraft?
Each wing has two independent elevons, 8 in total. That plus motor power inputs, and there's control redundancy x3.
i was worry that Black Fly concept is dead, glad to see it is continued!!! thank you! it is the most interesting design out of other electric flying concepts
Priced doubled, so just another plaything for the idol rich!
@@grahamkearnon6682 true.
@@grahamkearnon6682 let them test it!
9:00 Ballistic Parachute, the best piece of equipment on that aircraft.
Not when you fly just 300 feet up! It has much usefulness as wearing a helmet!
@@larrybud as i pointed out in antoher comment already, you need 400ft for a plballistic parachute to function
What is the congtingency for power loss? Planes have a glide ratio, helicopters will autorotate. Parachutes need time to deploy, which you won't have only a few hundred feet off the ground.
@@PaxHeadroom the ballastic parachute works from 400ft and higher. You could even have lost both wings on a generic plane and it would still work.
Given, the 400ft to ground, or ground to 400ft is the dangerous part. That said, flying near ground is always dangerous as it gives you no/less time to react.
I think the chute it is a necessity, in the slim chance of a catastrophic battery failure. But having said that, this design does have a significant amount of wing area. Does anyone know if there are flight controls on the wing surfaces? It seems if those were available they could be of some assistance below 400 feet, for a controlled crash. Probably the added complexity and weight would make this undesirable though.
You did a great job with the walk around! Thank You. Very Cool Rig.
I've watched this since conception years ago. Holy cow. Absolutely incredible and what balls to give it a try
They have the flying part figured out, now all that's needed is batteries with less weight and more capacity.
Dark energy
They are better off using Turbines. In the long run, the batteries will end up in a landfill and the turbines would be better for the environment. Plus they are efficient and much more powerful. They can build it with a bunch of turboprops.
that already exists... high capacity, low relative mass *and* high power output is the real kicker
Ya it’s called graphene batteries
It's vexing for sure!
I think even current gen LiFiPo batteries might inch over that hurdle for a decent range of automotive applications..
That said, electric drivetrains in aviation will never replace jet engines. The best a motor can do is spin a propeller.
Pivotal sound so ominous like it’s coming to take our cars away…
Quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever seen! The wings take so much of the load I was not expecting that.
You really want a Technocracy?
Imagine thousands of this thing flying over us. Headache must be epic.
wow as someone who has lived near (1/2 mile ) an Local airport for some 67 years never seen such an amazing air craft its totally amazing its capabilities
ahhhh never mind.
Really neat in the air but the way you land….. no thanks. Keep at it though. And best of luck. I do love innovation like this.
Ive built a home built airplane experimental and this looks like a great start.
Another five years and this should be an established aircraft.
Far out!! That’s pretty cool!
I think a Piper cub has more instruments than this does. Bare bones. Interesting flight characteristics.
Imagine the sound of 4 or 5 of these flying at once😮
Sound of this thing is much lower than usual aircrafts
@@DJZLOY I would like to see documentation of that.
It certainly is not quieter than conventional electric powered planes or gliders.
Those 8 small props rotating at high speed, create a lot of higher pitched sounds, that are quite different from a conventional propeller. I am suggesting that it would be more noticeable/annoying than conventional aircraft.
Also pointing out that, with the hover capability, you might have situations, where more of these would be occupying a smaller space, than conventional aircraft, thus creating a veritable beehive of loud noise.
Still, I would be happy to be proved wrong.
I think this thing is pretty cool idea, and would like to see it succeed.
@@TheScreamingFrog916 *generate* not create.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Why? What's the difference in your opinion, between the two, used in this context?
I am now your student, enlighten me 🙂
@@TheScreamingFrog916 Thank you for your kind inquisitive reply. Since i'm one who strives like Orwell did to communicate in accurate, correct, ordered, precise, proper, sound intelligent English hence a Right logophile and linguist in part, i will preface with this:
*"Only God creates, the rest of us just copy."* ~ Michelangelo
I hope you learn that even Galileo knew that only God creates, Galileo knew that only God is subject of the word "create" which he learned in the Bible, he knew it is only something God is able to do, not man or the Devil and Galileo knew the Bible well enough to know that the word "Creator" according to God Himself means there is only one who is able to be the Creator since there is the Creator and the creation/what He created. Even the laws of physics which God/Jesus created, prove only God/Jesus creates - energy emanates from Him thus not possible to create it or destroy etc _[God/Jesus is a consuming fire as Scripture teaches.]_ Let's give our Creator the eternal glory and praise and all that goes with it that only He deserves since it is only possible for Him to be the Creator, He is imitated but never duplicated.
I've seen this before, it's pretty cool and yes, it sure does pivot !
Very very informative, love the up close. Felt like an alien ship just landed 😮
Absolutely awesome! Very brave man!
Pretty cool. Pretty noisy too. Not sure if it's neighborhood friendly because of that. I don't think it will be a good option for door dash delivery. 🙂
Pivotal should be talking to Amprius about their high performance batteries. They would make a great partner.
Many small drone deliveries still use a string to lower a basket….
I own a Pitts and used to fly competition aerobatics. This is, at this moment in time, riskier.
You're basing this on your experience in the aircraft?
He is basing it on aerodynamics, physics and experience flying.
@@grumman38 Correct.
What is riskier here ?
@@grumman38But it’s flying and is fully maneuverable. Were ist the Problem ?
Very interesting. Pushing the envelope. The technologies (batteries, motors, controls, safety systems) will only get better! What do you think of electric powered aircraft ? I hear a yardie accent! Blessup! Keep up the good work.....
Pretty cool and one of the better designs IMO.
How much redundancy does it have in the power and control system? As I watch this I think of how many times my RC aircraft suffer an electronic glitch and simply stop functioning. At such low altitudes without forward speed or wings to glide even a ballistic parachute system would not help.
Funny you say such a thing, I fly rc also and my heart sunk on take off. Smoked to many esc's, battery's, and motor failures. Good luck to him.
@Nahngunnarson It has triple redundant fly by wire, though i can't find out how many motors it can lose before problems
Needs glider wings
My reaction too, whether the software is open source as in our models or developed in-house there's no way I'm climbing into that thing!
Everybody seems to ignore is that there have been small personal crafts available for well over a century now, from Santos-Dumont "Demoiselle" to ultra light Mosquito helicopter kits, and they have actual usable range.
What these EVTOL's bring to the table seems to be fully automated flight e.g. no pilots licence required and all that's needed is for the authorities to allow it (never going to happen).
Not to mention a Li-ion battery runaway and fire
That looked terrifying.
Only for the Brave
@@Flash-Strike Or rather foolish and rich.
Brilliant design. I just like the old name of Black Fly better. Thanks for sharing this video.
Still badass that these are actually being flown around now.Id rather have one of these for the daily commute than my car.
Needs a instant inflatable crash pad kinda like a airbag deployment if its above say 40 ft up to where a chute can open
FIRST Real Air taxi to me! All others have cheated by staying within the "ground effect". If you trust it to fly for 10 mins, you can go up and look at the clouds, and come back - or more useful things. Its not a toy! Well Done!
Looks like it was built by Oceangate. Does it come with a playstation controller? I heard it has two controls just so they can sell you an expensive piece of equipment twice for no reason.
I was the with WingBug when we were both introduced at the Innovation Showcase at Oshkosh. Glad to see it flying.
Stunning capture! May I feature this takeoff and landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
Reminds me of Boba Fett's Slave 1...Land on your back, but transitions during forward flight.
Hey that’s a cool toy 🎉
good technic may be do central wheel under seat? may be do float for water up and down and
exclude
parachute?
Thank you for the show without stupid music.
Makes so much more sense than a helicopter
I'm a pilot, but no way, no way would I take part in that! Kudos to the pilot though!!
Given the number of regular general aviation aircraft that fall out of the sky because their one engine fails - what's your point?
@nathansmith7153 do you think it will glide like a fixed wing aircraft or autorotate like a helicopter? I think it wouldn't do either so I agree with the comment you replied to!
@@nathansmith7153 planes don't fall out of the sky... they glide and can usually get to a safe landing spot and helicopters can auto rotate to slow the landing down these are the only things that "fall out the sky"....
This aerial vehicle may be equipped with a parachute...?
@@ditherjannev2590 you realise flying at the height it does a parachute wouldn't even have time to inflate never mind the fact it would take time for him to also deploy it so a parachute in this case would be useless unless it flew higher
Triple redundant fly by wire. No, it can't glide, but it can fly with some engines out. Air force has received 4 units for evaluation.
also ballaistic parachute.
20 min flight time. Can’t go too far. Nice idea.
As an electrical engineer I just don’t see battery technology advancing fast enough to make this any more than an engineering exercise. Same for EVs. I’ve been involved in drones since 2008 with the military and I don’t see anything advancing to make this go longer than 40 minutes in our lifetime
@@jimsteinway695 this one probably isnt. There are other design who fly, or better will fly longer distances and make more sense, like Lilium. Lilium is sadly a german company, here its regulations over regulations. On EV´s we now have the first 150kWh Solid State battery in the new NIO, and that can go 1000km (~620miles) and as a solidstate can charge really quick. In the US i see a problem with charging infrastructure still, in the european countries not so much. Norway sells under 2% ICE vehicles now every year, rest is all EV. They even have E-caterpillars and E-cranes now. But they are also only 5.5mio people.
@@jimsteinway695 agree. I don't understand why so many of these idea are strictly EV. I would think the logical evolution would be hybrid with a fuel cell.
@@smithnyiu A fuel cell would add more weight.
@@smithnyiu Hybrid is the way. Look up the electric Grand Caravan. There are full electric, hybrid gas/electric and hybrid diesel (working like a generator to provide electric power) already flying. The manned quad/octo copter thing is a dead end, hybrid planes will be common in 10 years.
We always wondered how long before they turned toy drones in manned flight. This is AWESOME.
Looks like a freaking nightmare in a wind. Yet another new way to die.
Ain't it great? LOL🤣
Fly or die....hmmm....choices...I think I'll fly and leave the dying to the pessimist.
Of course --> We are all dying soon anyway, humans don't live long....think about it, but not for too long because you'll be dead! Live life...live and let live or cry and die.
👍👍
We're all going to die so might as well have fun trying something new if it seems "safe enough" 😁
Bullroarers, awesome. Would work as a cupola for a nifty little dirigible.
How well does it glide? ;-) I'd probably want the BRS ballistic parachute option.
Same as a piano apparently….
Glides about the same a Republic Seabee seaplane, maybe.
It has a Balistic Chute.
It has a safe glide :)
@@xtraflyer As a sailplane and SEL pilot. My very serious bet is about 6:1 at about 50 knots. And that's being kind.
That is awesome! Put me on the list for the two stroke version😂.
The finality of flight is that you will come down. The question is then statistically speaking, how many times can you come down safely?
I do love it, but just don't like the way you take off and land.....
Yeah, too reminiscent of the Convair Pogo to my taste too 😅
With a slightly different design, the craft could come in on wing-/thrustborne flight and transition to VTOL (only thrust) closer to the ground, almost like a bird.
@@daszieher Much more work to do that, and keep it light etc.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 from what I heard (motor rpm) the basics can be worked on with the existing hardware setup.
It is more a matter of method than material.
high speed pass would've been nice, or was that it?
How does it handle in crosswind landings? What is it stall speed and would it recover from a spin? How would it do in turbulence or storms? How long a flight time with lights and radio and instruments?
By far the most innovative design I've seen in this category.
You may call it innovative (why?), while it's certainly the oddest-looking and very noisy. This is the vehicle that was previously called "Black Fly" a year or two ago.
@@kenhoward3512 Knicknames aside, this is the most impressive demo of a Vtol I've seen in terms of altitude and performance. The inclusion of flaps + ailerons utilizing a staggered high ratio, lifting body wing, allows forward flight at a reduced power draw. Definitely can't wait to see what these guys come up with for Gen 2/3
@@nighthawk0077 What is a lifting body wing? A lifting body is a fuselage that generates lift like a wing. A wing is an airfoil specifically for generating lift. I can not think of what a lifting body wing would be?
@@kenhoward3512 I've been aware of the project for sometime (inc. when the prototype was called BlackFly) and now it's in production, I'm no less impressed.
I consider it innovative because of its simplicity. To my knowledge no other E-VTOL has managed to achieve both VTOL and conventional aerodynamic flight solely through its geometric design and layout, without relying on complex thrust vectoring systems, dead-weight lift engines, or draggy semi-stowable components.
Simplicity is an art in its own right, and in aviation, lower complexity translates to increased safety.
@LZEOpener had a winner design. However, the environment in which eVTOL can be operated does not yet exist. Perhaps, Opener could have succeeded with a more conventional approach to its flight profile, negating the real "V" and going for extreme (powered lift) STOL. One can literally hear that the power output must be increased significantly, the moment speed is reduced to zero. The very moment there is just marginal forward speed, motor noises go down quite a bit, that means that remaining in this slow-flight regime should simplify craft operation somewhat. Maybe there would be a compromise "sweet spot", which could produce a more budget-friendly version.
I see how many genious ideas went into this aircraft.
Minimum of moving parts, yet two modes of flight - vertical takeoff/landing and faster cruise. Redundancy of motors/propellers, probably also batteries and the control system. Two wings with short wingspan for compactness, yet the wingtips are used for improving their efficiency. The wings creating lift in the cruise mode, much more energy efficient flight than drones or helicopters. The rear wing mounted higher, does not get in the wake of the front one while cruising.
I love this craft, this is the future. I would add a little v-shape to the front wing for more roll stability, because it is lower than the center of mass in flight. But a modern control system can make it very stable anyway...
I would have to disagree. Unless it has a parachute system, it lacks the safey of helicopters and airplanes that can use gravitational potential energy to bring them down even with total power loss. These have been around but no one is really taking an interest because they are one, kinda hard on the eyes and two, they don't have the ability to have a controlled descent in the event of total power failure.
@@vangmountain It has a ballistic parachute, means effective on low altitudes. It also (very probably) can land on water from cruise flight.
'Heavy to the eye' is a subjective thing. To me it is looking very cool. See, for helicopters destruction of their rotor fan (or it's controlling mechanics) means uncontrollable fall. And the rotor has very complex mechanics, prone to failure. Airplanes are generally better, but they have a dangerous phase of flight, namely the landing. Piloting errors during landing are the most probable cause of accidents with planes. This VTOL looks beneficial even in comparison with planes.
@@petkish Good to know. I watched only a tiny part of the video. I can see it for skyscraper hopping like the jetsons, but for long duration flights, it cannot compete with the efficiency of airplanes. Personally, I find it a very ugly flying vehicle. Cheers!
How does this thing handle with a total power failure? Can it glide? Are the control surfaces still able to moved?
That is wild! Thanks for sharing 😎
The days of Jetsons r here. I thought flying personal vehicles was a unrealistic dream, but after seeing this my thoughts have changed. This could change personal travel by leaps and bounds and it's so much simpler than anyone would've imagined.
I'm scared of flying and heights (after a fall when I was younger), but I would def fly this. It seems reasonable that individuals could fly these as personal vehicles directly from homes as it doesn't seem like u need ALOT of landing space.
I seen a pilot comment about being worried about backup power if a mother went out, but the simplicity of those motors allow them to operate without failure for long stretches if time and there r how many other propellers in case u would lose one. That's the simple part, at least from my untrained eye, the propello4s and each powered by individual motors is what makes it safer since they look to be individually powered.
Anyway I'm probablly way off with what I think makes these fly, but they still see to offer a realistic chance that personal flying vehicles will in fact be a real thing someday. One other thing, wouldn't it be better to use stretched fabric like on the piper cub wings to lighten the Pivotal even more? Removing weight and m9re engine power (power not needed from what I seen) but being lighter would enhance it in many ways.
Awesome creation that inspires creative minds. I don't know much about aeronautics, but I do draw comics and I think the Pivitol will inspire some type of vehicle in my art lol. I hope these continue to advance and I look forward to flying one someday.
Gotta love my auto correct... mis spelled motor and it replaces it with mother, (worry about a "mother" going out) haha
I don’t like the exposed blades, what if you hit a bird? I like other designs where the blades are protected. Still pretty cool.
Interesting H/V curve. I suspect he spent most ofhis time in the red area. Whats with all the revving up and down?
Doesn't sound very stable. Nice toy.
Theyre getting there. I kinda like this design.
amazing! how well would this glide if all power is lost? what is top speed?
I'm curious about this flight. No minimum required instruments, no "experimental" marking, no registration.
It's a part 103 Ultralight.
I wondered if it had a parachute! Makes sense it would have one and one that is released with a charge to get it out and inflated almost instantly.
Lifelong pilot in many types of flight operations. Hard no!
Why ?
What could go wrong? Lol.
@@wizardmNo balls, boring life.
electric aircraft have better chances for redundancy than normal aircraft: an entire wing can fail along with the motors and you can design backup wings / spars etc.
@@LegendLength no gliding, no auto rotation. And God help you if there's a thermal runaway.
Is the future going to have drag races in the sky?
does the wing provide much life at that angle of attack?
Love it! Will it take me from Florida to the Bahamas?
I doubt it will go around the pattern more than twice. I'm also better there's not the standard 45 minute fuel reserve. It's a novelty not a useful vehicle
I’ve flown planes and helicopters in real life and radio control. Both offer methods to land safely in the case of an emergency. Drones fall like a rock if there is a problem. That said, I also fly drones and they are so consistent and dependable. If think that if they scaled up any DJI drone with all of the same built in programs then it would be pretty worthy of being manned.
I would be nervous still though haha .
I cant find the sensation of this thing ! what kind of benefit it have?
So what “pilot rating” is required? Multi-multi, no wings, flying brick? Rating?
You just sign a waiver..
And a will.
Very impressive ✨✨
Most important question: does it come with a parachute?
Needs an ejection seat.
somebody didn't watch the whole video
Yes, its on top of the fuselage, where it says "ballistic parachute".
All those whirling blades . If this is to be mainstream, I’m wondering if screens or propeller guards will ever be incorporated into the designs. I have not seen any of these machines with them so far.
Airplanes don't have screens and the props are bigger, but people do walk in to those occasionally.
Do Cessnas have prop guards?
@@moehoward01
Cessnas have only one propeller where as these machines have Six or eight on many of them.
@@tundo1101 One prop will kill you just as quick.
@@tundo1101these will not have guards. I see this type of comment all the time and people usually voice this fear out of lack of understanding. Except for the immediate take-off or landing phase, propellers alone pose a risk. as soon as the craft is flying, the wing behind the prop (or the guard itself, were one to be fitted) would constitute the far greater risk.
All in all, guards are completely useless save for, perhaps, in devices designed to hover over prolonged periods of time in close proximity of people or structures. Anything, which will spend most of its operating time flying can do without guards.
This was originally the Black Fly, or some such?
Are both hands used at all times to keep this in the air?
this thing is SO COOL!
How is the power off landing characteristics!? Below ballistic parachute minimum?
How hard is it to fly? I know that quad copter drones are really easy to fly because the have so much soft-ware helping the pilot... I just wonder if this is the same way.
how much lift is generated at this speeds from wings vs props ? Would this be able to glide if motors died ?
Looking at the cockpit, htf do you even fly it?!!
What is the glide ratio on that thing ? About like a frozen main rotor helicopter ?
The technique is called drop like a Stone.
With those stubby little wings and all those rotors catching air, assuming you were at cruise speed and your rotors went dead, probably like 4:1 or 5:1, something ridiculous like that I'm sure. Potentially survivable if you had all the right conditions and skill to pull it off. Going low and slow like in this video? You're toast, you wouldn't have time to transition to aerodynamic lift before you were a lipo fire.
Thats one nice death trap.
Very innovative design. What is the engine out/dead stick capability? Just straight BRS or can it glide?
Not with those tiny wings.
Okay, I'll bite. Where is Crow Island Airpark? Are these for sale? How much? When/
@richardsims $190,000 40 mile range.
Crow Island Airpark is West of Boston, MA, USA.
That's a Black Fly ‼️
All systems are redundant!
It's super safe‼️
If I could afford one I wouldn't even worry about a ballistic parachute.‼️⚓😉
Once you remove the huge weight of a single big motor at the front, and replace with many smaller electric motors, all sorts of really sensible designs are possible. The weight distribution is better, dual wings instead of downward-pushing tail. All the torques get cancelled out. Very nice. I could see it being used for short hops in a city environment
You don’t need a downwards pushing tail in a single engine aircraft. You can go with a canard, or just negate stall recovery in a conventional design….just like your multi engine aircraft would no longer have.
Rotor wash make it crab or was that to park it more out of the way?
Amazing piece of equipment.👍
What happens in the event of a total power failure? Surely tandem 'wing' area isn't sufficient to support a power-off glide? - ballistic parachute?
If I had any loot I would throw some their way. This concept will go far. Adult sized drone. Amazing to me.
This design is pretty bad actually
Impressive leap into the air.
How long will it stay in the air? What is the range?
At those speeds, are the wings generating any lift at all, or is this flight just in copter mode?
What's the difference between these ans Blackfly?
How long does the battery last ? and how long to charge up ?
How is it with motor failure?
Can that thing buzz along the water?
Streamlined, so it can plummet to earth faster.
awesome thats my kind of aircrafts
Did BlackFLy rebrand or is this just the same design?
I love how it just SCRAPES across the ground during every takeoff and landing.
Impressive design. Some prop protectors wouldn't be out of the question.
I just wonder what would happen if this air craft encountered bird 🦜 strike. Will it still fly missing several propellers?