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20:27 You talk about not watching depressing news, and then sit there and talk about how fast time goes in a meloncholy tone. I find that more depressing than the news, honestly.
I applied the ASUS TUF Z790 gaming Wi-Fi beta update today but I think you are wrong about the webpage saying specifically for non-K updates, what I think the update text means is that it is an update for ALL but that the factory defaults have been changed for non-K CPU’s.
@@mikesunboxing Asus have confirmed the error/issue on their webpage and have told me they are going to correct it as follows: 1. The new BIOS includes Intel microcode 0x129 to enhance the stability of Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen processors. 2. The factory default settings are set to Intel Default Settings, which now include non-K processors.
Love your channel. You are well spoken and very knowledgeable. I have undervolted my 14900K since day one, capped all core frequency at 57 and capped watts at 260. Haven’t had any issues and still get over 39000 in R23
@@hugomouteira7015 not delidded, using 360mm Corsair H150i AIO, max temp during Cinebench R23 run is 82 degrees. My offset undervolt is -0.070, my Amps are set to 320 and I have “enhanced turbo” off (multicore enhancement). Have had the CPU for over a year. Don’t think I am going to update microcode to 0x129 unless the future shows no problems with the update.
If the Microcode did not work, the problem is still happening (you need a new CPU & including the Microcode on new CPU) get in touch with your supplier about replaced CPU. should be covered by the Intel.
i think it will work, it has been for the last few months since i owned it. This update has made it very unstable. next update will fix it again i hope
@@mikesunboxing Hope maker of the Microcode makes another that does work (If the CPU is broken) any Microcode update release will not fix a damaged CPU.. What a unlucky thing to happen, do hope you get a fix or a replacement.
update seem to have work for me, SC2, BG3, CK3, and a handful of games had constant crashing, especially sc2 when playing campaign it would be mission complete crash, reboot next mission and repeat. Now it working flawlessly to my surprise.
I’m sorry to say this but if your CPU is having issues, 0x129 uCode update will not fix it. If you’re having problems your CPU is already dead. It’s meant to (hopefully) prevent degradation, not fix it. That being said, I’m not sure I trust it to even do that but we’ll see I guess.
@@mikesunboxing ahh.. no, I don’t suppose they do. Mine is MSI and I’m still a bit leery about it working. I’m sorry that happened to your CPU, that’s rough! I hope Intel will make it right for you!
The Intel problem will take time to fully resolve as did the AM5 microcode issue. I run my CPUs all via an undervolt / curve optimiser so I don’t worry too much about overvolting or overheating issues.
Mike sorry to hear you had difficulties. I was not able to watch all 2+hours but i think it is important to let people know that the updates you used right now are BETA updates(as far as i am aware) which obviously means that it should be avoided till final unless you want additional problems. I have so far been lucky and no issues with a 14900k, 14700k and 12900k. All the best to you.
yes that was mentioned and discussed in some detail and also the fact that ASUS referred to this being for NON-K intel processors, which is a bit confusing
PPS Mike I think what has happened with AMD 9000X is that it is more inline with 7000 65W not 7000X, as you said 7000X would Self Boost to MAX Performance at 90°C/Power Limit like a Laptop 100°-105°/PL or nVIDIAGPU to 70°-80°C/PL which Reviewers & Commenters complained about being "Too Hot", later when 7000 was released they had lower Auto Boost temp/PL Stock but activating PBO allowed much higher Temp/PL similar to 7000X, Der8auer did some PBO so it acts more like 7700X Temp/PL with his 9700X & it makes much bigger improvements in Productivity & even improvements in lighter gaming loads, so to me it seems AMD have gone back to the old formula of limiting out of box performance & Max Performance being user set.
I lost about 25% performance myself when I updated to bios 1503 on my ASUS Dark Hero z790 with a 14 900K same thing I went from about 38,000 down to 30,000 I had to revert the settings back to 1103’s bios settings and performance was brought back to what I was accustomed to, but it seems there is definitely a hard limit when it comes to power now as I could pull almost 600 W while running a cinebench run now as soon as I hit about 570 W my system hard reboots every time now.
If you're manually tuning voltages, power limits and power options (max wattage, max amperage. CEP, etc.), temp limits, disabling 2-core boost (which pumps CPUs full of voltage regardless of power/temp limits, etc.) then what does a CPU microcode change that couldn't be changed/tuned/edited in the BIOS with the older microcode? Asking because, even after lots of research, I still can't find the difference between BIOS changes/settings and a CPU microcode change. I understand that the CPU microcode is sort of like a firmware for the CPU but if all those changes can be made/tuned/edited in the BIOS - even with older BIOS & CPU microcode versions - then what does the CPU microcode update actually do differently?
i am not sure what the microcode update does or what it affects, i will be paying close attention to any intel information if they decide to fess up and tell us what they are actually doing
I've not had any crashes yet, the system has been built and running for around a month now. I updated the microcode when it released but since then i'm seeing massive temp spikes (from 37 to 90+ and looking at the voltages vid max is round 1.548
@@mikesunboxing even though I spent like £550 on this cpu, if it does die on me I'm not really bothered, I'm sure the shop I got it from will replace it
I downloaded the asrock z790 pg riptide bios today. Installed it and so far so good. I ran a cinebench and it got up to 100c a couple times in the ten minutes. Should i be worried? No crashing or anything. Its still new
I am running AIO cooling, and my i5-13600k would spike to 95 a few times but stay in the 85 range most of the time. I am still not comfortable with those 95 spikes though, so I set my PL1 (Long) to 125 (the default is 181, but the cpu specs say it should be 125). This put my temps down a lot, my max temp is 75 degrees atm. Both settings were stable in cinebench, but I prefer lower temps for the sake of a slight performance loss. If you want to be safe, try lowering your PL1 (Long) to a lower W. This should help with your thermals. If you are not on an i5-13600k, just look up the specs for ur model and try setting PL1 to the same as the base in specs. If you are happy with it running a bit hotter than that setting, move it up in 25W increments until it gets hotter than you would prefer then move it down a little again. Ideally I would recommend never pushing above 90 degrees if you want a long lasting cpu. If you are overclocking and trying to push the cpu to its limit, then you may want to do that.
I have not updated my bios but have implemented Buildzoid's recommendations to limit Vid spikes, locked all cores and reduced from P core 5300 to 5200 verry stable 14600k
AMD have there own set of problems now as well, including the new vulnerability that they are not going to be patching on some older but still popular CPUs. Not good
I have a i7 13700k and since i bought it i noticed it was voltage hungry when turbo was turned on ( Default setting Asus Z690 plus ) Default setting will turn on turbo boost , My cpu runs at 5300 mhz ( @ Turbo default speed )and is pulling 1.45v ( Which I am told is really bad for cpu )so in short I have to leave my turbo turned off since I updated the bios a few days ago . I have for the moment locked voltage to 1.32v , If anyone got any ideas please help I am lost here .
101:20 Mike your Biden watch ….. I got myself a Hugo Boss watch from the Australian 🇦🇺 Amazon Prime Day sale which looks very similar to that and cost me $250AUD reduced from $1k AUD
My i9 14900kf Asus Dark Hero z790 109sp now works with best case scenario SVDI now work flawless and incredible low vids and power and ofc temps ! it still early to talk but guys it feels good finaly. (my efficient cores are at 3.2 tough 88 Sp score i don t need more to be honest for what i do momentarily)
G'day Mike & Kath, Speaking of Kath getting a 🤣good laugh🤣when Mike makes a mistake in a video... did you see the video where Dawid was building a PC & Anna got to Taser him every mistake 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 PS Mike as an Aussie Kid who grew up in the 70s-80s BMX Bandits is AWESOME! 🙃👎
@@mikesunboxing 😂That's alright it is not really an Adult Movie, a bit far fetched lke most kids save the day teen movies. It just has a bit of a Cult Following down here as it was Nicole Kidman's first Movie
Включишь случайное видео с ютуба и начинается. Лайкайте. Подписывайтесь. Да когда вы уже успокоитесь со своими методичками? Неужели непонятно - люди просто смотрят! И слушать одно и то же им не нужно! Если человеку нравится - он и сам подпишется. А нет так ему значит ваш контент не нужен! Зачем себя вести как попугай из видео в видео?
Honestly it kinda broke the games I was running only and I went back to a firmware my motherboard had with originally. Yeah I’ll wait for another update or so and see later on if it’s worth the update
I wish my other z790 board was ddr5 so I could swap between them and validate my instincts, but I hope ASUS fix this problem for me and others sooner rather than later, my system is actually a lot more unstable than I actually reported and seems to be getting worse as time passes which is really frustrating as it was very stable and reliable previously
@@mikesunboxing Watching tech TH-camrs, I saw a person posting about the update bricking their PC. Don't know if that was also you, or if there is now two ppl for whom it was a bad update. Well, I guess they made it NOT a Windows update and only Beta BIOS's so that no one is liable for damages now. ☺
@@mleise8292 like you said, it's a beta bios. Anyone getting problems from a beta bios is their fault. That's why companies say to use beta software at your OWN risk.
By the time you upgrade from AM4 to AM5, the AM5 will be relatively cheap, with abundant parts and the majority of bugs ironed out. Stability is king in AM4 because if your PC is randomly BSOD and crashing, then what is the use of your high-end PC when it's unreliable? It's garbage.
There is a great danger of no longer having a valid computer in a few months if all the new Intel and AMD CPUs are rotten. Who has an antique from the 2000s, a Celeron that did nothing very quickly.
@@saltee_crcker2363These types of people will never be happy. It's best to ignore them and actually enjoy things They dont actually own these products, they just whine about them.
Old people tend to have this kind of mindset it's like when covid hits and these people thinks that it's the end of the world so they buy in bulk tissues. Relax.
I have an AMD system mate. It’s just a lot of us have multiple computers, mate and we just want them all to work right because we all spent a lot of time and money on them, mate.
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20:27
You talk about not watching depressing news, and then sit there and talk about how fast time goes in a meloncholy tone.
I find that more depressing than the news, honestly.
Point taken
Misleading title. I don't have all day!
It was true the update did more harm than good for me, it is a warning to others that this so called fix isn’t the best solution right now
I applied the ASUS TUF Z790 gaming Wi-Fi beta update today but I think you are wrong about the webpage saying specifically for non-K updates, what I think the update text means is that it is an update for ALL but that the factory defaults have been changed for non-K CPU’s.
hope so, time will tell
@@mikesunboxing Asus have confirmed the error/issue on their webpage and have told me they are going to correct it as follows:
1. The new BIOS includes Intel microcode 0x129 to enhance the stability of Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen processors.
2. The factory default settings are set to Intel Default Settings, which now include non-K processors.
129 microcode fixed my computer - working perfectly now no more hard reboots and performance is good. (i9 14900k)
glad yours was a success
My i7 14700k was fixed for a day now no matter what I do my desktop crashes.
MSI motherboard?
Same
did you watch the max volt this thing is shuffeling through? if it is above 1.4 volt it will destroy your cpu later, be sure
Love your channel. You are well spoken and very knowledgeable. I have undervolted my 14900K since day one, capped all core frequency at 57 and capped watts at 260. Haven’t had any issues and still get over 39000 in R23
Temps and cooler used please? And is it delidded?
@@hugomouteira7015 not delidded, using 360mm Corsair H150i AIO, max temp during Cinebench R23 run is 82 degrees. My offset undervolt is -0.070, my Amps are set to 320 and I have “enhanced turbo” off (multicore enhancement). Have had the CPU for over a year. Don’t think I am going to update microcode to 0x129 unless the future shows no problems with the update.
@@Buggest thanks alot for the reply my friend. Im am looking to buy a 14900k, dont care about AMD 😆
Cheers!
@@hugomouteira7015 no problem. As long as you don’t let the processor go with no restraints, you will still get good performance that is stable.
Well spoken? I have my volume maximized and can barely hear anything. Terrible audio mastering.
If the Microcode did not work, the problem is still happening (you need a new CPU & including the Microcode on new CPU) get in touch with your supplier about replaced CPU. should be covered by the Intel.
i think it will work, it has been for the last few months since i owned it. This update has made it very unstable. next update will fix it again i hope
@@mikesunboxing Hope maker of the Microcode makes another that does work (If the CPU is broken) any Microcode update release will not fix a damaged CPU.. What a unlucky thing to happen, do hope you get a fix or a replacement.
Only boxed CPU will have extended warranty.
@@wanyelandy8847Wrong, they covered tray processers in a recent post.
If you are going to 🦜, do it right.
@@wanyelandy8847nope every cpu will… Intel stated so…
update seem to have work for me, SC2, BG3, CK3, and a handful of games had constant crashing, especially sc2 when playing campaign it would be mission complete crash, reboot next mission and repeat. Now it working flawlessly to my surprise.
that is excellent news, mine is now all over the place
I’m sorry to say this but if your CPU is having issues, 0x129 uCode update will not fix it. If you’re having problems your CPU is already dead. It’s meant to (hopefully) prevent degradation, not fix it. That being said, I’m not sure I trust it to even do that but we’ll see I guess.
the CPU and system was fine before the update, so this is an asus thing. BIOS updates don't break working CPUs
@@mikesunboxingreflash bios after reseting it u should be fine after that some people in my pcmr group had same issue and they did this and it worked
@@mikesunboxing ahh.. no, I don’t suppose they do. Mine is MSI and I’m still a bit leery about it working. I’m sorry that happened to your CPU, that’s rough! I hope Intel will make it right for you!
The Intel problem will take time to fully resolve as did the AM5 microcode issue. I run my CPUs all via an undervolt / curve optimiser so I don’t worry too much about overvolting or overheating issues.
mine is getting worse, even chrome is crashing under almost very possible combination of settings
Mike sorry to hear you had difficulties. I was not able to watch all 2+hours but i think it is important to let people know that the updates you used right now are BETA updates(as far as i am aware) which obviously means that it should be avoided till final unless you want additional problems. I have so far been lucky and no issues with a 14900k, 14700k and 12900k. All the best to you.
yes that was mentioned and discussed in some detail and also the fact that ASUS referred to this being for NON-K intel processors, which is a bit confusing
Good as new here , had no issues .. sorry to hear
for now your cpu will eventually degrade the more you use it lol
@@edmonddantes759 Shit no shit Sherlock 😂
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You too!
PPS Mike I think what has happened with AMD 9000X is that it is more inline with 7000 65W not 7000X,
as you said 7000X would Self Boost to MAX Performance at 90°C/Power Limit like a Laptop 100°-105°/PL or nVIDIAGPU to 70°-80°C/PL which Reviewers & Commenters complained about being "Too Hot", later when 7000 was released they had lower Auto Boost temp/PL Stock but activating PBO allowed much higher Temp/PL similar to 7000X,
Der8auer did some PBO so it acts more like 7700X Temp/PL with his 9700X & it makes much bigger improvements in Productivity & even improvements in lighter gaming loads, so to me it seems AMD have gone back to the old formula of limiting out of box performance & Max Performance being user set.
I lost about 25% performance myself when I updated to bios 1503 on my ASUS Dark Hero z790 with a 14 900K same thing I went from about 38,000 down to 30,000 I had to revert the settings back to 1103’s bios settings and performance was brought back to what I was accustomed to, but it seems there is definitely a hard limit when it comes to power now as I could pull almost 600 W while running a cinebench run now as soon as I hit about 570 W my system hard reboots every time now.
Why doesn't Thermalright make a 280mm cooler like ID Cooling does?
Not sure really.
If you're manually tuning voltages, power limits and power options (max wattage, max amperage. CEP, etc.), temp limits, disabling 2-core boost (which pumps CPUs full of voltage regardless of power/temp limits, etc.) then what does a CPU microcode change that couldn't be changed/tuned/edited in the BIOS with the older microcode?
Asking because, even after lots of research, I still can't find the difference between BIOS changes/settings and a CPU microcode change. I understand that the CPU microcode is sort of like a firmware for the CPU but if all those changes can be made/tuned/edited in the BIOS - even with older BIOS & CPU microcode versions - then what does the CPU microcode update actually do differently?
i am not sure what the microcode update does or what it affects, i will be paying close attention to any intel information if they decide to fess up and tell us what they are actually doing
I've not had any crashes yet, the system has been built and running for around a month now. I updated the microcode when it released but since then i'm seeing massive temp spikes (from 37 to 90+ and looking at the voltages vid max is round 1.548
Mine is crashing more frequently now and chrome is now very unstable even with my preferred ASUs performance settings
@@mikesunboxing even though I spent like £550 on this cpu, if it does die on me I'm not really bothered, I'm sure the shop I got it from will replace it
@@antop4597 i certainly hope so
I downloaded the asrock z790 pg riptide bios today. Installed it and so far so good. I ran a cinebench and it got up to 100c a couple times in the ten minutes. Should i be worried? No crashing or anything. Its still new
I am running AIO cooling, and my i5-13600k would spike to 95 a few times but stay in the 85 range most of the time. I am still not comfortable with those 95 spikes though, so I set my PL1 (Long) to 125 (the default is 181, but the cpu specs say it should be 125). This put my temps down a lot, my max temp is 75 degrees atm. Both settings were stable in cinebench, but I prefer lower temps for the sake of a slight performance loss. If you want to be safe, try lowering your PL1 (Long) to a lower W. This should help with your thermals. If you are not on an i5-13600k, just look up the specs for ur model and try setting PL1 to the same as the base in specs. If you are happy with it running a bit hotter than that setting, move it up in 25W increments until it gets hotter than you would prefer then move it down a little again. Ideally I would recommend never pushing above 90 degrees if you want a long lasting cpu. If you are overclocking and trying to push the cpu to its limit, then you may want to do that.
as long as it is stable and not thermal throttling you have little to worry about
129 works perfect on my asrock z790 nova wasnt a beta.
interesting, looking like ASUS fumbled this one
@@mikesunboxing Running the Beta from ASUS as well and have no issues. You have a bad CPU my friend.
I have not updated my bios but have implemented Buildzoid's recommendations to limit Vid spikes, locked all cores and reduced from P core 5300 to 5200 verry stable 14600k
excellent work!
At this point with the microcode update, the contradictory info coming from every source i'm ready to say fuck it and just swap out to AMD
AMD have there own set of problems now as well, including the new vulnerability that they are not going to be patching on some older but still popular CPUs. Not good
I have z790UD with new bios F12e and I dont have any "Intel Default Settings" only "GIGABYTE PerfDrive profiles".
i am not familiar with the gigabyte intel boards, i'm not sure if that is the right setting or not
I have a i7 13700k and since i bought it i noticed it was voltage hungry when turbo was turned on ( Default setting Asus Z690 plus ) Default setting will turn on turbo boost , My cpu runs at 5300 mhz ( @ Turbo default speed )and is pulling 1.45v ( Which I am told is really bad for cpu )so in short I have to leave my turbo turned off since I updated the bios a few days ago . I have for the moment locked voltage to 1.32v , If anyone got any ideas please help I am lost here .
hope someone gives you some good advice there, i am not sure what i can recommend these days
101:20 Mike your Biden watch ….. I got myself a Hugo Boss watch from the Australian 🇦🇺 Amazon Prime Day sale which looks very similar to that and cost me $250AUD reduced from $1k AUD
very nice! it is nice to have a stylish time piece if you can
My i9 14900kf Asus Dark Hero z790 109sp now works with best case scenario SVDI now work flawless and incredible low vids and power and ofc temps ! it still early to talk but guys it feels good finaly. (my efficient cores are at 3.2 tough 88 Sp score i don t need more to be honest for what i do momentarily)
i might try the best case SVID on my rig
@@mikesunboxing it started crashing hard after 3 days of usage :9 i m back to trained
question, 12th gen cpu should NOT update this bios fix, right? or I should?
12th gen doesn’t seem to be having any issues at the moment so not really necessary to update right now
@@mikesunboxing thanks!
i7-14700k on mag z790 tomahawk. i am getting crashes on msi beta
sorry to hear that, mine is not great today it seems
Got the same board seems OK fella
I updated and it didnt do a thing to my 13900KS which has also not had any stability issues, but maybe this title will get you some clicks.
my system is even worse today and even chrome is crashing (making it hard to respond to comments!) but glad to hear you setup is running well
Who are intel? i havent bought an intel cpu in over 20 years.
Haha 😛
I has a 11400 and should be safe?
Yes no issue there on that architectural design
G'day Mike & Kath,
Speaking of Kath getting a 🤣good laugh🤣when Mike makes a mistake in a video...
did you see the video where Dawid was building a PC & Anna got to Taser him every mistake 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
PS Mike as an Aussie Kid who grew up in the 70s-80s BMX Bandits is AWESOME! 🙃👎
i will take another look at bmx bandits, i got about 20 minutes in i think to where they get the loot from the boat and sort of lost interest
@@mikesunboxing 😂That's alright it is not really an Adult Movie, a bit far fetched lke most kids save the day teen movies.
It just has a bit of a Cult Following down here as it was Nicole Kidman's first Movie
How about laptops guys?
Laptops don’t seem to be effected by this at the moment
I think it only affects people that overclock.
2 hour stream, no time stamps. Hard pass
why not add them?
Включишь случайное видео с ютуба и начинается. Лайкайте. Подписывайтесь. Да когда вы уже успокоитесь со своими методичками? Неужели непонятно - люди просто смотрят! И слушать одно и то же им не нужно! Если человеку нравится - он и сам подпишется. А нет так ему значит ваш контент не нужен! Зачем себя вести как попугай из видео в видео?
Honestly it kinda broke the games I was running only and I went back to a firmware my motherboard had with originally. Yeah I’ll wait for another update or so and see later on if it’s worth the update
Asus?
Maybe 🤔
There we go again; bashing ASUS and proping up MSI....
I wish my other z790 board was ddr5 so I could swap between them and validate my instincts, but I hope ASUS fix this problem for me and others sooner rather than later, my system is actually a lot more unstable than I actually reported and seems to be getting worse as time passes which is really frustrating as it was very stable and reliable previously
@@mikesunboxing I am sorry for the troubles. You know I am just breaking your chops for your leanings toward MSI...
or it was broken from befor lol
no it was working perfectly prior to the update and is still a bit broken now actually
@@mikesunboxing Watching tech TH-camrs, I saw a person posting about the update bricking their PC. Don't know if that was also you, or if there is now two ppl for whom it was a bad update. Well, I guess they made it NOT a Windows update and only Beta BIOS's so that no one is liable for damages now. ☺
@@mleise8292 like you said, it's a beta bios. Anyone getting problems from a beta bios is their fault. That's why companies say to use beta software at your OWN risk.
@@DingleBerryschnapps But we _need_ to use _now_ it or else our CPUs degrade further . HEEELP!
Don't buy intel, problem solved ! =D
Yeah at the moment I agree, but for those of us that bought into the platform a while back this was an unforeseen problem
God bless AM4
oh yes
God bless AM5 as well! Years of socket support.
@@iLegionaire3755 I rarely upgrade cpus that often for that to matter to me.
By the time you upgrade from AM4 to AM5, the AM5 will be relatively cheap, with abundant parts and the majority of bugs ironed out. Stability is king in AM4 because if your PC is randomly BSOD and crashing, then what is the use of your high-end PC when it's unreliable? It's garbage.
There is a great danger of no longer having a valid computer in a few months if all the new Intel and AMD CPUs are rotten. Who has an antique from the 2000s, a Celeron that did nothing very quickly.
so all the 10th, 11th, 12th gen intel and 5000/7000 series amd cpu's no longer exist in this fever dream of yours?
@@saltee_crcker2363These types of people will never be happy. It's best to ignore them and actually enjoy things
They dont actually own these products, they just whine about them.
@@JordanJ01 He's posting this exact comment on every video and channel talking about this, too. 😂
@@DingleBerryschnapps Not surprised.
Old people tend to have this kind of mindset it's like when covid hits and these people thinks that it's the end of the world so they buy in bulk tissues. Relax.
Just buy AMD mate no issues
Yeah that is pretty much the case
I have an AMD system mate. It’s just a lot of us have multiple computers, mate and we just want them all to work right because we all spent a lot of time and money on them, mate.
It's a complete waste of time and money on its cpu.
it is rather disappointing to be honest
Yup. Buy AMD Ryzen!
Sounds like a you problem 😅
Homeboy used the wrong bios
Yeah that is very likely