Too much for the Doctor to handle - Rossi’s Ducati stint
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- At the end of the 2010 season, Rossi after 7 seasons with Yamaha, would leave the Japanese Factory to join Ducati from 2011, replacing the Honda bound Casey Stoner. What promised to be a successful relationship between an Italian rider and an Italian team, would end up being the opposite, and in this video, I go through Rossi's brief at Ducati and also explain why the partnership didn't work out.
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12:40 15 points behind Bautista not 40, sounded way too dramatic 😂. I think I read Dovi’s tally by accident, rather than Alvaro’s. Whoops.
You said Casey won in 2007 with Ducati because the bike was built upon his driving style.. But Casey joined ducati in 2007.. So how came it was built for him in the first place? Before the 2011 start even Rossi chosen Big Bang firing order for ducati engine.. and used for all ducati driver.. not Screamer like used to be, so how come his ducati not built upon him? And also Rossi have 2 seasons..
I'm not sure the Ducati was catered to Casey's riding style. I don't think it was catered for anyone. Casey just happened to have riding style that allowed him to maximize it's strong points. By the time he left Ducati, he was just annoyed with it as everyone else.
Simply the talent of Stoner was unmatched...he can adapt to any bike
Ducati admitted they did build the bike around Stoner and continued to do so as he was fast on it.
@@titanio784What went wrong with his V5 Honda then? The Ducati was made from his feedback and only his feedback. Confirmed by Ducati and admitted it was a mistake. This is why they are now so dominant because they take multiple rider feedback.
@@Jason-me1bswhich article? Plz provide. If not dont lie.
Ducati is better now because they are years ahead of everyone in modern aero technology and such to "cheat" grip and solve ducati ability to corner.
2007. Ducati was developed by capirossi and stoner destroyed capirossi on the same bike.
2011 stoner again won on a bike that was developed by dani pedosa.
I want ur source.
Like the Honda/Marquez partnership they created a bike only one person could ride
14:08 no, the ducati wasnt built around stonner in 2007 because he joined the team that year, it was a mere coincidence the bike they build suited him, in any case the bike would be built around Capirossi who was in Ducati sin 2003.
Not coincide build suited stoner 😂😂, stoner can ride any bike and being the fastest version of that bike
People like many youtube content creator always try to find blame to failure.
Honda built around MM
Redbull built around MaxVerstappen
Their logic be like
Its not the driver that makes it goes fast.. its the machine. Oh ok, but wait, the result says it is the driver.. So if its the machines fault. Why was that specific driver fast than the others?
Its not the driver's talent, surely not. Its built around him. Drunk af
The most amusing aspect of Rossi's term on the Ducati was how his worshipers changed their tune about the Ducati itself. When Casey Stoner was complaining about the chatter from the front end, he was derided for "being a complainer who is just making excuses for his own failings". But when Rossi couldn't muster a single victory, suddenly they were saying that it was the Ducati's front end chatter that was the problem. Meanwhile, Stoner wins another championship in dominating form.
Reasons why i hate rossi, toprak and mm93 fanboys. They are brainded.
Always thinking top speed is everything.
Even right now. Mm93 fanboys that once said "just give mm93 a ducati and its auto win".
Now they complaining about mm93 on that 2023 ducati package.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains I am not a MM fan, I really dislike him! However no one is complaining about what he has been able to achieve on the Ducati so far. He is doing a phenomenal job
@@WarriorForJesus1237 no one is complaining? Lmao literally all the indonesian are complaining at every comment section and on instagram.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains So we went from everyone to just the Indonesians! Cool. I don't care either way I just know that in Europe and United States no one is really complaining about how good Marquez is on his Ducati
@@WarriorForJesus1237 you must be living under a rock.
And did i say "everyone"?
Or isit you cant read?
Or did jesus whisper to lie to ur ears? Ur imaginary friend must have some real power😂
Stoner was the master of sliding the rear tyre. That's why he was so good with the Ducati. But before Ducati, it took him years to master that skill and that got him the nickname of Rolling Stoner.
I always wondered what could've been if Valentino worked together with Dall'Igna, oh man, the times of his arrival at Ducati were so wrong and ended quite badly. I don't know if he would've won a title, but surely he would've fought for a title
Not necessarily: Rossi has always had a more flowing riding style and Ducati just never fit with him. The same can be said for the Rossi/Honda combination. Yes, he was successful with Honda, but still he went back to Yamaha, simply because that bike fit his riding style better.
@@tjroelsma you have a point here, it's true that Valentino had a total different style compared to what the bike was requesting and that Yamaha was more adapted for his riding style, but at the same time I feel that his timing of arrival at Ducati was probably the worst possible. If he would've come in like 2015, it would have worked a lot better, and possibly under Dall'Igna's directives, Ducati would've built a bike that could've been closer to Valentino's style. I do feel that in this scenario, Valentino would've had a path similar to Lorenzo's at Ducati probably, but atleast this would've been better than the path he actually had. A risk that has never paid off
Pensa cosa avrebbe potuto fare Stoner con Dall' Igna...
Valentino talento 0
He made a mistake. Let his pride get in his way after JL won in 2010. Ducati was not a good fit for his style. He has a japanese/spanish way of ride. Full lean, elbow on the track. That Ducati wasn't allowing that since it wasn't giving the front tyre the grip he wanted to ride that way. Had he never leave Yamaha and the 2011 and 2012 years would have been different.
A 9-time World Champion by the age of 30...I don't think anybody would have believed that, even though racing in MotoGP till the age of 42, he would remain a 9-time World Champion. And he did not have such a bad injury that hampered his "remaining" career.
If he had stayed in yamaha for those 2 years, there is a good chance he would have taken that 10th 🏆.
Idk man, the team would’ve just shafted him for Lorenzo as his big reason on why he left in the first place is because he doesn’t want to play second fiddle/be the No.2
@@motorsportfanboy7769He run away from Yamaha as they told him Lorenzo would be equal and there would be no number 1 or number 2 rider.
@@Ryan.T89 I mean Rossi was told by them he has to take a pay cut if he wants to stay with them so it's clear they have chosen Lorenzo as their guy at that point
@@Ryan.T89wrong he wasn’t happy with data sharing that’s it!
@@Ryan.T89Rossi left because of his ego he don't want Lorenzo in Yamaha but Yamaha didn't listen to him so he thought it would be better to leave Yamaha and make them regret for not listening to him but it backfired him so he came back to join Yamaha again with his tail between his legs
Rossi tried Stoner's data etc. and couldn't ride the Ducati. I really would've loved to see Stoner not have the health issues that plagued him in 2008-2012 when he retired from it. Had Stoner not had those issues he'd easily be a 4 time champ.
for stunner u r pointing out the health issue, but u completely forgot Rossi's shoulder injury that plagued his 2010 & 2011 season...everybody just fail to address the fact that Rossi moved Ducati at 32, he wasn't the prime Rossi, so what ? if he couldn't make it work on 3rd manufacturer, he had already proved what he needed to prove moving from dominant Honda to Yamaha that even finished behind Ducati in 2003...though with his Yamaha return he proved the talent was not gone and almost won the title in 2015, but it was clear the age was catching up with him but he carried on for the love of racing
It was not the same bike Rossi road. Different frame.
VR46 was never any good after he lost the ability to get "overnight" tires flown to him from Michelin.
While Casey Stoner proved he could absolutely dominate on a Ducati during his career, even he wasn't 100% confident with the bike. Specifically when it came to the corners. While it could rocket its way through the straights, it wasn't agile enough in the corners compared to Yamaha and Honda.
Sidenot edit: Ducati's factory team and two of their three satellite teams, Pramac Racing and Gresini Racing, were the top three teams at the end of the 2024 season.
Loving the MotoGP content mate😊
It goes to show that the way the company is being managed is very as well.
Gigi is the man that changed Ducati!
And in my opinion, dovi should have been the champion for Ducati after stoner.
The only thing that stopped him from being so was a very very strong rival, in particular one named MARC MARQUEZ.
Dovi is a great rider but MARC was an Alien
Dovi was never the championship material, he was good rider but never consistently on podium...he was too soft for Marc and to Dovi's defence Ducati in 2018 & 2019 use to go missing on some tracks, unlike the current one
Well to tell U honestly I'm a huge Marc fan. But I admire dovi for putting with Marc and also a hell of a show for the fans.
His Ducati stint proved that him winning titles in 2004 and 2005 wasn't all him. Yamaha seriously improved the bike too. Besides talent level on the grid was significantly higher in 2011 compared to 2004.
That yamaha really fit Rossi's riding style too i think. But still the second best yamaha was 7th in 2004. Between them were all Hondas
@@BB-ex4uc Yeah, Rossi's riding style focused more on breaking and cornering with strong front end that Ducati didn't have in 2012-12
it's nothing like that, for sure the bike improved but with Rossi's inputs, look where Honda and Marc combination went, a riders input can make or break the bike...talent level in 2011 was almost same as 2008 & 2009, stonner Pedrosa Lorenzo were all there, you keep too hard with words, to hide your dislike for vale 😂
Haters in 2024? Let it go.
Rossi stopped rubbishing Stoner after his period with Ducati.
Rossi changed in "fall of tino flossie"
What I have to say about Rossi and Ducati around that time is that both the bikes and liveries were absolutely wonderful, especially in 2012
well, he could have just kick his way to another championship. So, whats the point of switching manufacturer?
2:11 , he rode so aggressively, so why is he complaining other "riders" being a danger to the sport. Aha.. hypocrite
This is totall misleading.
2007 stoner won on a bike that was developed by capirossi
2011 he won on a bike that was developed by dani.
And every single year in motogp he has outperform all his teammates on the same bike.
Nicky hayden was teammate to rossi and stoner. Stoner outperformed him every singke year by a miles and when rossi came into ducati? He barely outperform hayden despite being provided with stoner data.
Rossi isnt happy with alot of things with yamaha, data sharing and he didnt like lorenzo being his equal. So he left for ducati trying to prove stoner is a bad rider and yamaha made a mistake.
After 2 years. Rossi went crawling back to yamaha
I just discovered your channel, not many fans cover motogp alongside other motorsports. Thank you for the video. Ducati nowdays are unbeatable at least for the next 2 years.
He couldn’t do, what Casey Stoner did.
He achieved far more than what Casey... 9 titles in Motogp , Moto 2 & Moto 3 combined and Casey just 2 Motogp
7:30 His ambition was bigger than his talent.
I love this Stoner quote. He was so spot on.
rossi in 2010 was still fast and a top rider but when he joined ducati he lost two important years of his career when he was still capable of winning titles... rossi would have 100% won many more races if he had not joined ducati and he most likely wins another title.
after not being competitive and struggling for 2 years i think joining back to yamaha again at 34 was always going to be incredibly hard because he had to learn a new bike again at 34 whereas if he stayed at yamaha through 2011 - 2012 then rossi would have had momentum for the 2013 season.
His ambition outweighed his talent😂😂😂
3:10 another mistake, Rossis 2010 start wasnt strong enough, as Lorenzo outpaced him in the most of races and was leading the championship, forcing Rossi to increase his pace in Italy, leading to his crash.
I just found this channel and I’m so happy that I did! Great video!
I was briefly a Lorenzo fan during that era, cause I thought that Rossi would never be able to live up to Stoner at Ducati.
Awesome video, so glad this was on my recommended page. Subscribed!
Rossi trying to be Stoner.
Love the motogp videos so much man keep up the Great work!!!
It's funny now that honda basically built a bike for no one now that MM is gone lol
Honda's biggest mistake was to fire Dani Pedrosa. HE was the one who developed the Honda and kept Honda honest. Marquez is an exceptionally talented rider, but that same exceptional talent makes that he can make almost every bike work for him. With Pedrosa gone, Honda just focused on horsepower and topspeed and depended totally on Marquez to make the bike work, which he did for so many years. After Marquez' accident Honda found out that nobody else could even come close to performing with their bike and they somewhat tried to change course. But how half-heartedly it all was became clear when Marquez returned: now even he couldn't make the Honda work anymore.
People saying he could not win with ducati should know that Stoner also left the sinking ship. Same as Marquez leaving honda due to the unrideability
It wasn't to much to handle.
It was you had to push it over it's limit to be anywhere, so you crashed a lot.
Even Stoner was crashing it more n more.
Excuse my ignorance is "satellite" the name of a team that competes in motoGP or is it a manufacturer of bikes. I know next to nothing about motoGP besides a few racers names
Satellite pretty much means independent team. So they aren't the official manufacturer team, although they can get support from the actual manufacturer team itself, so like for example with Pramac in 2024, which is the team that Jorge Martin rides for, they are running factory spec Ducatis, and that's because they have technical support from the Ducati Factory Team, which is the team that Pecco Bagnaia rides for.
@@JWTalksMotorsport much appreciated 🙏
You can't compare Rossi to Hayden. Period.
Stoner had no problems winning 23 races on them .. 🤣
Rossi fanboys - stoner is trash and doesnt know how to ride a ducati. Imagine if rossi gets all that ducati top speed. Its auto win, let rossi show you.
Reality: rossi fighting for his life not to lose front end and crash. Barely outperform nicky hayden on the same bike while stoner outperformed hayden every single year by a miles😂
At the top of Motorsports you can have the best rider and bike but do terrible. It is so important for the bike to suit a riders style!
I wish rossi joined honda after he left Ducati, I truly believe he could of won another title.
Honda offers him😂😂😂😂satelite bike🤣🤣🤣what a jerk honda was that time
@md.shaonprinceshuvo5412
Saddest part is, I could see Honda force Rossi to ride for one of their satellite teams; as an act of pettiness, given the way how their relationship ended.
The biggest question is, which Honda-backed satellite team would Valentino be sent to, depending on how much Big Red wants him to suffer?
@@md.shaonprinceshuvo5412 And then rossi ride Yamaha satellite bike
@@EricAlbar 😆😆😆😆😆
@@EricAlbarit was a full works yamaha
Ducati was not a bad bike, Rossi just could not adapt to it
Brief stint he did his contract! 👀🤦♂️💀🤣
It was too much for Stoner to handle too. That's why he left. The bike design was way out of step with reality. This was not a failure on the part of Valentino.
I believe he left mainly because he was exhausted Ducati depending on him too much, instead of making a good bike to begin with. He and some key Ducati managers talked about it in the Ducati Resurrection documentary.
@@TheDeisasori Casey's comments in documentary The Age of 27 might be of interest to you too.
Ok few things, Rossi didnt leave Honda because of the way it was ran, it was just because it was said he was winning because he was in a Honda, and second, the split wall at Yamaha didnt become of the tension, right at the start of 2008 when Lorenzo joined Yamaha there was that wall, right from the begining and not later.
The Ducati wasn't suited for Stoner either. Casey had stated a few times that much of the electronics on the bike didn't work and he ended up turning them off. That just shows how good Casey was, to ride and win with his pure skill. The Ducati was just a turd, plain and simple.
So much wrong with this video. To name just a few notable wrongs. 1.) World class talented motorcycle racers do not " Fall off their motorcycles. 2.) The Ducati was not built around Casey Stoner's riding style. 3.) Rossi did not kick Marquez at Sepang .
Wasnt Ducati experimenting with the frameless chassis at that time? Using the engine as a stressed member and attaching the steering head subframe and swingarm to the engine?
TY-TULL
Yes, it was a kick.
Ducati's selfish behavior this year is disgusting, withholding data from GP23 teams because a Ducati win is not good enough, it has to be Lenovo.
‘Over night’ tyres. Or Saturday night specials. As they were called. Rossi, like doohan had special tyres. At the European races Michelin would manufacture the tyres the night before and ship them out.
🤣🤡
Great Video
Rossi didn’t ride too badly, he wasn’t good either.
The way this don says Ducati jeezus fuckin Christ
Rest easy #69
Motogp did a documentary on Ducati on why they did not win a driver title from 07-21 it said they built the bikes for top speed while the Japanese brand went for light bikes that could turn also explain why the Ducati were good in the rain they were heavy and had more downforce to make the power stick but on dry races different story. Ducati fix that mistake when the new regulations came in in 2014 or 2015
Paid him double they were paying stoner and lost stoner because of it lmao
i loved his downfall after the arrogance of him and burgess saying they'd have the bike sorted in 5 mins flat LOL
in 2013 i found som corner front wings from car,put em on my R1,who strugle on the brake dragging syndrome,who all the first R1 stuggle whith and i feel it functionat,but hey im not a top rider,whatever when Rossi struggle with ducati,i send ducati a letter about wings at a motorcycle, dont even get a thank you,someone found that and get a idea,its irritate me ,i had correct adress ,so it had arrived,or i got it backEveryone laugh about wing on a motorcycle,, But truly, it was a thing,,,i could got a little accepy for my idea,,Well i still use aero on bikes cars even skis,too avoid dirty air cause by boots whit all their locks,,very funny this
king of psywar and trashtalk
Rip Marco
2011/12 Ducati was crap.. they manage really well nowdays :)
This video starts 5:11, but in a horrible way. Before it only reports about Yamaha and Honda.
Mm93 teaching 46 how to ride a Ducati
the Ducati is now better and more stable than the one Valentino Rossi had
By the way, Casey "Rolling" Stoner only dominate on Bridgestones...
2007 yes,but 2008-2010 even he didn't dominating,he is still far better than ducati rossi
Casey Stawna and Jorge Lawrenzaw
with the massive engine advantage Stoner had in 2007, i think Rossi could've won with that bike too.
Rossi went to Ducati because it looked like the only option there was Lorenzo pushed him out of Yamaha and he was not going back to Honda after saying that stuff.
That said, it was a disappointment, much worse than expected and barely any progress in 2 years. It took them 4 years to win a race again.
Yzr M1 990cc best bike for rookie,Ducati GP 800cc disaster bike,NSR500 everyone can win with this bike
worst person in motogp,no sportsman heart he had,he thinks he would be the only great,,always cried on others talent
We all know that Ducati was shit during those years
She should have gone to Suzuki
The bike was terrible took years and years to get the Ducati winning
Awesome video but please try to move away from the youtuber accent
who tf is horGe lorenzou?
A Ducati without Gigi Dall'Igna was a shit, Valentino suffered to drive that bike ...
marquez was better with slower bikes 😜
Why @JW Talks Motorsport, are you Jehova Witness or what?
there was no such kick in sepang 2013 for god sake, are you blind?
15:49 play that bit at a slow speed to heal your denial of what video footage has been showing since it happened.
5 minutes to get to the point. Wow
Poeple still believing he kicked marquez
That's because he was
@@UMIF001he didn’t 😂 it’s kinda obvious Marc Crashquez isn’t good enough 😂
in Italy it was believed that Rossi had bad qualifying sessions and then made a show of himself in the race.
Rossi's reality is 2001. He wasn't the fastest on the track, but he won the championship thanks to the enormous help of Michelin who brought him custom-made tires on Sunday morning.
he wasn't the faster driver, he was a good test driver, very experienced, but certainly not the best driver of the 21st century.
Valentino Rossi will remain the best rider in the history of MotoGP. Gonna cry?
Only butthurt Biaggi fans belived that shit
@gnubbolo yep, why would they want to advantage rossi anyway? there were more popular drivers, biaggi being one. 2nd point, did michelin make custom tyre for rossi for 7 years straight? who was paying? whats the return? pirelli and michelin make the shitties tyres ever and you are going to tell me that they nailed EVERY custom made tyre rossi ever used while 20 years later they fuck up at least a couple of drivers per race? sei ubriaco? Rossi was better on sunday, bottom line. This kinda of bullshit excuse is litteraly copium to justify him beign bettere then like 99% of the drivers that came after (btw im not saying hes the best, thats an open discussion while marquez, lorenzo and stoner could all be the better driver, but come on saying that he was just a good test driver... man dimmi dove prendi da fumare)
Valentino who? Never heard of him.
He literally created you 😂
15:48 It wasn't a kick
Still Rossi was the best ducati at this time!!
Obviously as the other Ducati riders were ignored. Ducati built the bike round Rossi and everyone else got what was left
@@Ryan.T89 thats funny 😂😂😂
@@Ryan.T89 Ducati never built the bike around Rossi's indications, that's one of the reasons why he left. He insisted on Ducati building a stronger frame for the bike, but Ducati insisted that the tubular frame was their peculiarity. They argued a lot about it. Rossi was called also to make the bike ridable by others, because before that only Stoner could win on it, and the last championship Stoner rode the Ducati he didn't win the championship, and fell many times. So Rossi asked to change the frame. We're talking about the frame, together with the engine (which was underpowered when Rossi was in Ducati) and tyres (which changed when Rossi came, since Stoner had Bridgestone) these are the most important things on a bike. After Rossi left, Audi had just taken over over, the following year Ducati finally adopted a normal frame, abandoning the outdated tubular frame. How many times have I written frame? Maybe too many, sorry 😆
Hayden didn't really deserve that title for his riding talent rossi had a bad year but a win is a win and as far as casey stoner he could only win in a straight line as his Duke was so fast but braking and corner speed rossi was so much quicker and that gave stoner so much butt hurt
Rossi could brake better because Yamaha was good. In Ducati the bikes can't turn properly.
That's BS and you know it. But that's how Rossi fans always try to missplain what their hero did or didn't do. If someone says Marquez or another rider had a bad year and therefore Rossi could win the title, those same Rossi fans will be foaming at the mouth to missplain how Rossi TOTALLY deserved to win because he's the GOAT, you know.....
I get being a fan of someone, but that doesn't mean I get missplaining everything in favour of that someone. Rossi was an exceptional rider; his 9 championship titles are a testimony to that. But Rossi also had his shady and even bad side, which is something Rossi fans vehemently deny.
@@tjroelsma Totally agree.
@@tjroelsma I'm not a rossi fan boy I'm just saying it as it I've been watching and going to races for 35years anyway wsbk is favourite.
I'm just saying rossi had a bad year and nicky was consistent all year hence why he won the stats speak for themselves.
And stoner is still a moaner
@@pepy977 Good for you, but there's more to winning a championship than your direct opponent not having the best year, because it's pretty much never between just two riders fighting for the championship. Even if Rossi had somewhat of a bad year, there were others who were competitive, so it wasn't a simple walk in the park for Hayden.
Stoner had his moments, but he decided to quit very early in his career, as he decided that it was just too risky for him. That's a wise decision in my book. As to him being a moaner: some riders and drivers just need to instantly vent their frustration to get rid of it and move on, while others can hold it back till after the practice, qualifying or race and vent it in private. Rossi has done it all: at times he was very vocal in interviews directly after a practice, quali or race, at times he would vent in interviews days or even weeks after an event. He still has a fued with Marquez he's unable to let go, so does that make him a moaner as well?
Just show why Casey is one off the best, if it wasn't for his disease he would of kept going to be one of the greatest 😅.
That bike was too much for anyone 😅
Too many rider aides on this bike for such a talent like Rossi, this bike was more for the riders who didn’t understand engineering. Idiots bike to racing, muppets motors. Racing has gone shit since rider aides remove the lot and let’s see how they get on like the old days of using talent and skill. Cant wait for 2025 hopefully the bikes will need a lot more rider input. Even Bagnia said the bike is just too good sometimes and fell off it when he was leading, how good is he really. When something is so good it becomes boring like Bagnia so magnolia.
It's 2027 and nothing really changing bar cc and the aero a little.
The amusing thing about your comment is when the reduced the riders aids down and standardised the electronics to make them simpler and less effective, Rossi struggled to ride the bike more than most people did.
@Ryan.T89 most people. He's won championships without electronics and apart from ducati years he never really finished below 5th. I'm just unsure what you mean by he struggled more than most. When was this?