This is enlightening for non-muslims. Today the idea of a woman obeying her husband when she takes her marriage vows ( in the Christian faith) is an option. If one is under obligation to obey, 'breaking' a rule has consequences and carries risks, one being violent retaliation from an arrogant husband. Cut the idea of obedience out of marriage then there can be equality. I also think that women can deliver cruel words which can be as harmful to a man's self-esteem as any physical punche he might throw in his wife's direction!
@kathyofrin Mohammed himself said exactly what hamza yusuf is saying. mohammed says in hadith that no muslim could hit his wife ever for any reason. there are many trained islamic scholars who say you cannot. Imam abu suud the grand mufti of sunnis 500 years ago gave the fetwa for sunni muslims from morocco to india that if a judge hears of a husband hurting his wife, the judge MUST stop the husband by all means possible. abu suud is one of the most respected muftis in the history of islam.
@RockStudioLive You're absolutely correct, I am NOT an English scholar. In a clumsy way I was trying to point out how all writing changes with time. And especially Arabic. Early Arabic was written without vowels, and had no dots for letters which, without dots, look the same. The dots (and signs to indicate vowels) found in Arabic writing today are not found in early texts. This presents quite a dilemma to scholars trying to determine true meaning.
Why was 'fertile' in the criteria? When choosing a lover why should choose her like she were a pair of shoes? What if she is not fertile, what if she does not want to have children?
I agree; but when I think about it, I prefer religious apologists to religious literalists. If people have to believe this stuff I’d rather have someone convince them to believe it in a humane way.
How come I can't download this video? Please let me download this video I need to show this to many other people who don't understand my religion. I love this brother, he is a Light in a time of Darkness. Please send me this video if you can though. Salam.
@MrCalathea people translate for many reasons. the word in arabic in mecca in the time of mohammed [saws] never meant 'beat' it meant talk, walk, march, leave, and it meant make love or have sex. make a loud noise. it meant discuss. it meant to come to agreement by negotiation. the dutch translator just did not know. or did not want to know. most translations of quran are political. not scholarly. and few islamic scholars ever learn european languages.
if we need to spend at least 20 years on understanding Quran independently and directly, that means we can sometimes have not enough time to understand the wisdom of God. Say if we die at 30-40. I don't think that Allah made it so complicated to understand Quran and live according to God's laws
Islam is an intellectual religion. If someone explains something "wrong" in the Quran, then why can't you accept it based on the soundness of the argument "Why is this even up for discussion?" If you listened to what he is saying you would realize that he is making that exact point
Sheih ul Islam [Chief Mufti} Mehmet Ebusuud al Imadi gave the fetwa that anyone who says that tasawwuf is not Islam, or sufis are not Muslim are themselves not Muslim.
@MrCalathea not straight from arabic. because like every language all words have ambiguities. nobody can translate straight from one language any language into another
"Quran is preserved in Arabic for a reason. No translation can be equivalent to the authentic words of the Quran." Ever tried to read Shakespeare in the original ancient English? Impossible to understand without a modern "translation" (explanantion). And Shakespeare was 100s of years after Muhammad. But u are correct in that English translations of Quran contain extra words to make it more "palatable".
Great quote: especially when you include the WHOLE paragraph. God says that if you hurt others hate others cheat steal kill others, don't imagine that you'll escape your bad karma by saying ooops i made a mistake. that's simple obvious logic. If you go around killing people, there is a price to pay. If you break speed laws god doesn't repeal the laws of physics when you hit a tree. life does have consequences even for idiots.
In Islam only judges in a court can judge, and only the judge can give the death penalty or any penalty. The more someone threatens another Muslim, the more one proves one is not. Muslims are forbidden to harm other Muslims "Truly whoever believe, they who follow the Jewish religion, the Christians, the Sabeites, whoever at all who believes in God and the last day, and does good, will have their reward with their Lord, will know no fear, neither shall they be grieved. Surat ul Baqara
of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum.
@246trinitrotoluene that only applies to the most concrete technical equivalent. impossible in metaphor simile poetry imagery allusion: she's hot. he's hot. it's hot. those three sentences have 3 completely unrelated meanings and unless you know them for sure you cannot translate them even into modern english without destroying the meaning. it's never the same fucking message. it's never even close.
@malika810 It's not equivalent, but the translations are pretty damn close. If I tell you, "To the store I am going for bread" and , "I'm going to get some bread from the store" you're getting the same fucking message across.
Bilal r/a/ is of the Companions of the Suf who lived in the home of Mohammed saws. 1. Abu Huraira 2. Abu Darr al-Ghifari 3. Wathilah Ibn Asqa 4. Qays ibn Tahfah al-Ghifari 5. Ka’ab ibn Malik al-Ansari 6. Sa’eed ibn Malik ibn Hadhim al-Jumahi 7. Salman al-Farsi8. Asma ibn Harithah ibn Sa’eed al-Aslam Imam al-Ghazzali is sufi
Well said, all of it. One must apply a human aspect to the Quran as well as every other religious testament. Maybe the Quran vouches for domestic violence but only after XYZ criteria are met. But as stated this is never how domestic violence occurs. Watch your actions closely. Do they bring tears and negative energy to the world? Or do they encourage happiness and peacefulness. Surely no soul with a heart would wish the former upon those close to them. Discuss, consider, and respect.
THE QURAN 76:27:28:29 PEOPLE 30. But ye will not, except as Allah wills; for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom. 31. He will admit to His Mercy Whom He will; but the wrong-doers,- for them has He prepared a grievous Chastisement
what think ive notice is that if you learn Islam from its original sources, i.e. Quran and the Hadith of the prophe scw you know that Islam gives more rights to women than any othe religion, the rights women have in Islam is far greater than acutally potrayed. the west always shows how Muslim men opress their women, and if you go to these Muslim countries you will see. not in a huge scae, but women are been opressed by men, simply because these men are refusing women the rights...
@MrCalathea bad people read bad things into good words. in english for example there are words like "get" whose meaning changes each time it is used. get real, get the paper, get high, get around. get off, get it?, and the past tense of get is got but got introduces yet another set of meanings get doesn't have, he's got it, got the time? got to go, got me! so anybody translating got has to know the meaning. DARP almost never means hit, bvut intercourse, conversation, travel, leave. rarely"hit"
@RockStudioLive of course, why a man hurts his wife doesn't matter, since it is haram. period. haram. forbidden. abu suud says the judge must use all means possible to stop men from hurting their wives. abu suud's fetwa is quoted here on this forum.
@isafakir The newspapers accused members of the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice of blocking rescue attempts by male firefighters and paramedics because some of the girls were not wearing the mandatory Islamic dress. “They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn’t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn’t covered...” the Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper said, citing firefighters and police.” from Saudi Arabia, present day!
@RockStudioLive you leave 90% of the hadith out. the woman in question complained to aysha r.a. aisha complained to mohammed s.a.w.s. who immediately took up her case. SHE complained to him about about her husband's impotency. she complained that HER sex was no good. SHE complained about satisfaction. the husband had children from his former wife. mohammed said the 2 children resembled the father like 2 crows. she didn't complain about being beaten. she said she wasn't getting good sex.
@ D0W666 said 'All this shit about 'beliefs' and 'interpretations' and 'sects' and 'questioning God?' Hi DOW Interested in your views. What is your take on reality? How did we get here?
if we are all supposed to spend 20 years of our lives to be able to understand Quran, then how is Quran a clear guidance? Is not Quran for all of humanity? Why God would make it so difficult to understand his message? Does is mean we rely only on scholars and whatever scholars tell us we trust them?
People are not dependent upon people for guidance. Guidance comes from Allah SwT. Do you know ayat al kursi? Don't be scared that people will mislead you, be hopeful God will help you. At the end of the day there are multiple levels of understanding but every muslim needs to know the basics what to do to be eligible for Allah's mercy on the Day of Judgment. Make sure you believe the 6 articles of Imaan and fulfill the 5 pillars of Islam and make sure to look to the prophey's example to see how he sallalahi alayhi wa sallam was as a person and how he dealt with peoplenand follow his example sws. That is the core, there are outer layers that are only helpful if it deepens your imaan. If it doesn't benefit you it's not necessary to know your heart needs to be sincere. That's why we ask for beneficial knowledge (Allahuma inni asaluka 'ilman nafi'an wa rizqan tayyiban wa 'amalan mutaqabbalan) and not for more knowledge or all the knowledge. Only that we can handle and that we can use in practice.
@RockStudioLive i misunderstood the code? and the movie. what part of kill do i misunderstand? you have to do better than that. dozens of european countries made honor killings legal. or make honor killing a defense in murder. in a wide range of contexts. honor killing is totally european. unless you can twist it to women not being dead. gay men not being dead. dead is dead. it's called honor killing.
@LearnToReadTheKuran We're not in the playground. Thirdly, I'm not a sufi, so don't try and make further insults based on this. I identify as a muslim. I hope that Allah S.W.T guides you so that in the future you don't pour out such hatred and vitriol. Now, instead of pouring out insults, could you please tell me what you feel Hamza Yusuf is saying wrongly in this video?
@246trinitrotoluene translators cannot translate accurately anything but technical texts only approximately. and when a lot of the meaning is lost in history, it is even less possible. so, no it is not easy to translate anything. and yes some people in english cannot understand metaphors translated from other languages and cultures. if you knew anything about anything other than rude bullying you might know it too.
@malika810 nobody today can accurately translate Quran into modern Arabic either. Many meanings have been lost and in fact even people in Mecca and Medina were unclear about much of it and some of its meanings then even were hidden. Ya Sin or Elif Lam Min or Allah's "chair" or the "niche" words or phrases for which no language carries meaning. Because Allah doesn't sit down and heaven is not 3 dimensional. Allah says there are no comparisons. If there is a "throne" there is comparison.
@isafakir if someone says "allah sits on a throne" in english, i'm pretty sure people are smart enough to understand it's metaphorical, you don't need to know arabic to get the point. do you seriously believe that nonsense?
@RockStudioLive watch the movie Divorce Italian Style [1961]Article 587 Criminal Code Rocco "Whoever causes the death of spouse, daughter or sister in the act when he discovers the unlawful sexual relations and the state of anger went from offense given your honor or his family, shall be punished by imprisonment three to seven years. The same punishment those who, in those circumstances, causes the death of the person who is in unlawful carnal relationship with the spouse, daughter or sister."
@mehstgful Shakespeare did not write in ancient English, whatever that may be. Shakespeare in Elizabethan English is understandable with a few notes on obsolete words. Please don't try to act like an English scholar.
Islam is against SPOUSE abuse. This should be elaborated upon. Saying that Islam encourages wife beating is specious but unfortunately in vogue mostly because Islam is presented to the world poorly. The Messenger (p) has been accused of many things by detractors but never of beating his wives.
@mehstgful if you can't read shakespeare you really can't read modern english. there is no english MORE modern than shakespeare. that means anyone who might say shakespeare needs a 'translation' is just not educated to any degree adequate to any discussion of shari'a. not a scholar. just another opinion.
Yeah I kinda agree (to be honest I don't know a whole heap about Islam) but if the apologist at least appeared a bit conflicted I could take the apologetic argument a bit more seriously (in that regard the literalist is perversely easier to identify with, they are completely unconflicted!!). Also if you look at an apologetics site like CARM.org well.....I would say it is more like Christian UNapologetics!!! :)
@JuliaEM10 which islam where according to whom. ??? that kind of question is way too open to have an easy answer. what does christianity say about single women? "christianity" according to popes according to evangelicals according to pentecostals a women stays at home keeps her mouth shut before men and obeys her father and husband. in 1956 in rome my sister had to be covered head to toe or she couldn't enter the vatican.
Mohammed saws gave the fetwa that whoever says they believe even if they are lying you must not harm them or hurt them. they are brothers. a Muslim does not threaten others. That is not Islam. and to curse the four Imams to curse Imam al Ghazzali or a famous scholar and grand mufti like Imam Abu Suud, only proves total ignorance of anything in Islam. .
@malika810 .... lol you missed the whole point. i don't need to know arabic to understand the passage you just told me. although you think it's some miraculous understanding of microbiology, you probably never thought that mohammed with his limited knowledge at the time failed to understand what was happening and thought that a malevolent spirit was involved. all people knew about sanitary food .... cook your food first, don't eat it if its moldy, etc etc. these are all simple things lol
Aisha -the one ur making a reference to- clearly told us (in Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim), that ما ضرب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم امرأة "The messenger of God never beat/hit (daraba) a woman, nor a slave, nor a child, nor anyone, ever!" ♦ So unless Aisha didn't consider herself a "woman", she clearly was saying unequivocally that: Mohammed ((peace be on him)) never hit or beat or struck her! She then said, He only "struck" ضرب in the battlefield fighting. The Hadith u mentioned: he "poked"
@246trinitrotoluene you certainly do enjoy bullying. it's shame. life is more fun when you don't bully people. it means someone is afraid and ashamed of themselves. hope you get better some day. get to feel comfortable with yourself.
@RockStudioLive aisha says she is a grown woman. aisha says she is a grown woman. no matter what anyone says. mathematically, we know her dates and the dates of her marriage. add and subtract those dates and you get her age. actual age. no ifs no buts no maybes, she says she was an adult. the hadith speaks of her clothes. a child can wear whatever she wants. mathematically her own witness and facts of the hadith agree she is an adult.
@RockStudioLive no man will be ASKED why he hit his wife. abu dawud. as abu suud grand mufti for all sunis in europe africa and the middle east of his time: if the judge finds a man hurts his wife, the judge must stop him by all means available. you don't need to know why he breaks the law. you just need to stop it.
@rockstudiolive of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum. isafakir 1 second ago
@RockStudioLive aisha r/a lived to ripe old age. was one of the generals and a scholar in her old age. she was every bit a full grown adult as a bride. she says so. we know when she was born and when she married. subtract one from the other and her age is clearly an adult, no less than 18. possibly 5 to ten years older.
This sheikh is noorun ala noor
Unlike the majority of us ignorant people
May Allah Taalah increase you manifold
hamza yusuf is great and has an attractive way to speask may allah bless him for all his effort for islam
Nour Salha Ameen
Subhanallah.. Eye opening.. I just thanks Allah that he made me see this video as an unmarried guy.. My religion is absolutely Beautiful...
Shaikh Hamza Yusuf is my favourite scholar. Alhamdulillah, I have met him in person during RIS (Revive Islamic Spirit) at Putrajaya, Malaysia.
great lecture; n showing everyone the true face of Islam.jazakhallah
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf May Allah SWT Bless you always. Aamiin
I love sheikh Hamza so much, all his opinions are perfect in all matters and deeply rooted in knowledge
Amazing lecture and lecturer. ..
what wrong with you?
MashAllah this sheikh May Allah reward him for sharing this beautiful speech on women.
MASHA'ALLAH to the beautiful sunnah dressing of the sheikh
Barakallah
جزاک الله خیرا احسن الجزا
So profound lecture, violence part of human nature.
such great an amazing lesson in woman's rights
Wife beating is found in all cultures, religions and in all strata of society.
It's not just found in a particular religion.
You are so right sheikh Hamzah... God help us to implement that in our life
This is enlightening for non-muslims. Today the idea of a woman obeying her husband when she takes her marriage vows ( in the Christian faith) is an option. If one is under obligation to obey, 'breaking' a rule has consequences and carries risks, one being violent retaliation from an arrogant husband. Cut the idea of obedience out of marriage then there can be equality. I also think that women can deliver cruel words which can be as harmful to a man's self-esteem as any physical punche he might throw in his wife's direction!
@kathyofrin Mohammed himself said exactly what hamza yusuf is saying. mohammed says in hadith that no muslim could hit his wife ever for any reason. there are many trained islamic scholars who say you cannot. Imam abu suud the grand mufti of sunnis 500 years ago gave the fetwa for sunni muslims from morocco to india that if a judge hears of a husband hurting his wife, the judge MUST stop the husband by all means possible. abu suud is one of the most respected muftis in the history of islam.
its a beautiful lecture MashaAllah.
@mystupidcats i didn't see that verse. can you cite it?
Ma sha ❤Allah so beautiful my Shaykh Hamza beciz You are from Europe
@RockStudioLive You're absolutely correct, I am NOT an English scholar. In a clumsy way I was trying to point out how all writing changes with time. And especially Arabic. Early Arabic was written without vowels, and had no dots for letters which, without dots, look the same. The dots (and signs to indicate vowels) found in Arabic writing today are not found in early texts. This presents quite a dilemma to scholars trying to determine true meaning.
MashaAllah,
May Allah keep Hamza Yusuf for us
Why was 'fertile' in the criteria? When choosing a lover why should choose her like she were a pair of shoes? What if she is not fertile, what if she does not want to have children?
Earth To Mars In Islam it's marry then love, hence they may not know each other. Also there are religious benefits of children.
Aisha best women of this Dunya ever existed doesn't have ever children and she will be in hightest of highest rank in Paradies
I agree; but when I think about it, I prefer religious apologists to religious literalists. If people have to believe this stuff I’d rather have someone convince them to believe it in a humane way.
@LearnToReadTheKuran Yep he is. But I just want to know what exactly he says with regards to wife beating that you find wrong. Thank you.
How come I can't download this video? Please let me download this video I need to show this to many other people who don't understand my religion. I love this brother, he is a Light in a time of Darkness. Please send me this video if you can though. Salam.
@MrCalathea people translate for many reasons. the word in arabic in mecca in the time of mohammed [saws] never meant 'beat' it meant talk, walk, march, leave, and it meant make love or have sex. make a loud noise. it meant discuss. it meant to come to agreement by negotiation. the dutch translator just did not know. or did not want to know. most translations of quran are political. not scholarly. and few islamic scholars ever learn european languages.
The Prophet Muhammad never struck a woman, nor a child, nor a servant, ever!
لم يضرب رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وسلم) امرآة ولا غلاما ولا ولدا قط
if we need to spend at least 20 years on understanding Quran independently and directly, that means we can sometimes have not enough time to understand the wisdom of God. Say if we die at 30-40. I don't think that Allah made it so complicated to understand Quran and live according to God's laws
smart, your title was very catchy.
the lecture is very good, salaam =]
He is unique. May Allah bless him.
mashallah.. i wish he had a more public stage to preach this on
can someone make a list of the rights?
Islam is an intellectual religion.
If someone explains something "wrong" in the Quran, then why can't you accept it based on the soundness of the argument
"Why is this even up for discussion?"
If you listened to what he is saying you would realize that he is making that exact point
In fact the Quran is written with MUSICAL notation. stops partial stops to indicate the musical line.
Sheih ul Islam [Chief Mufti} Mehmet Ebusuud al Imadi gave the fetwa that anyone who says that tasawwuf is not Islam, or sufis are not Muslim are themselves not Muslim.
@MrCalathea not straight from arabic. because like every language all words have ambiguities. nobody can translate straight from one language any language into another
@princee786 But will muslims respect it if you choose to not be a muslim,but turn to another religion?
@SLAM234 Very correct, This is a sickness like alcoholism, compulsive gambling etc. I condemn it.
Ebu Suud was the Chief Mufti for all of the Middle East Africa and Eastern Europe in the 15th-16th Centuries CE.
"Quran is preserved in Arabic for a reason. No translation can be equivalent to the authentic words of the Quran." Ever tried to read Shakespeare in the original ancient English? Impossible to understand without a modern "translation" (explanantion). And Shakespeare was 100s of years after Muhammad. But u are correct in that English translations of Quran contain extra words to make it more "palatable".
Hamza Yusuf is soo great -- ma sha Allah :)
HY was playing into western liberalism for a good while during this time, big problem
I get it.... I struggle as well and ponder deeply.
@QGprincess Very sage reply. My compliments.
AWESOME KHUTBAH :) :)
What about Bosnia, Indonesia an all??
thanks you
@QGprincess Thank you so much sister, there is so much wisdom in your writing. You have my respect. :):):)!
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Great quote: especially when you include the WHOLE paragraph. God says that if you hurt others hate others cheat steal kill others, don't imagine that you'll escape your bad karma by saying ooops i made a mistake. that's simple obvious logic. If you go around killing people, there is a price to pay. If you break speed laws god doesn't repeal the laws of physics when you hit a tree. life does have consequences even for idiots.
In Islam only judges in a court can judge, and only the judge can give the death penalty or any penalty. The more someone threatens another Muslim, the more one proves one is not. Muslims are forbidden to harm other Muslims "Truly whoever believe, they who follow the Jewish religion, the Christians, the Sabeites, whoever at all who believes in God and the last day, and does good, will have their reward with their Lord, will know no fear, neither shall they be grieved. Surat ul Baqara
of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum.
Jazak Allah Khairan
Thank You
@246trinitrotoluene that only applies to the most concrete technical equivalent. impossible in metaphor simile poetry imagery allusion: she's hot. he's hot. it's hot. those three sentences have 3 completely unrelated meanings and unless you know them for sure you cannot translate them even into modern english without destroying the meaning. it's never the same fucking message. it's never even close.
@malika810
It's not equivalent, but the translations are pretty damn close.
If I tell you, "To the store I am going for bread"
and , "I'm going to get some bread from the store"
you're getting the same fucking message across.
Bilal r/a/ is of the Companions of the Suf who lived in the home of Mohammed saws.
1. Abu Huraira
2. Abu Darr al-Ghifari
3. Wathilah Ibn Asqa
4. Qays ibn Tahfah al-Ghifari
5. Ka’ab ibn Malik al-Ansari
6. Sa’eed ibn Malik ibn Hadhim al-Jumahi
7. Salman al-Farsi8. Asma ibn Harithah ibn Sa’eed al-Aslam
Imam al-Ghazzali is sufi
@StrengthFromAbove83 knowing why and when there is spouse is a minimum first step in preventing it. not an excuse for it.
is that right? where did u read it?
Well said, all of it.
One must apply a human aspect to the Quran as well as every other religious testament. Maybe the Quran vouches for domestic violence but only after XYZ criteria are met. But as stated this is never how domestic violence occurs.
Watch your actions closely. Do they bring tears and negative energy to the world? Or do they encourage happiness and peacefulness. Surely no soul with a heart would wish the former upon those close to them. Discuss, consider, and respect.
THE QURAN 76:27:28:29
PEOPLE
30. But ye will not, except as Allah wills; for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
31. He will admit to His Mercy Whom He will; but the wrong-doers,- for them has He prepared a grievous Chastisement
@DictaduraNo123 "HA HA HA HA" is that the sound bullies make when they can't find anyone else to laugh at them?
what think ive notice is that if you learn Islam from its original sources, i.e. Quran and the Hadith of the prophe scw you know that Islam gives more rights to women than any othe religion, the rights women have in Islam is far greater than acutally potrayed. the west always shows how Muslim men opress their women, and if you go to these Muslim countries you will see. not in a huge scae, but women are been opressed by men, simply because these men are refusing women the rights...
@MrCalathea bad people read bad things into good words. in english for example there are words like "get" whose meaning changes each time it is used. get real, get the paper, get high, get around. get off, get it?, and the past tense of get is got but got introduces yet another set of meanings get doesn't have, he's got it, got the time? got to go, got me! so anybody translating got has to know the meaning. DARP almost never means hit, bvut intercourse, conversation, travel, leave. rarely"hit"
@RockStudioLive of course, why a man hurts his wife doesn't matter, since it is haram. period. haram. forbidden. abu suud says the judge must use all means possible to stop men from hurting their wives. abu suud's fetwa is quoted here on this forum.
@isafakir The newspapers accused members of the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice of blocking rescue attempts by male firefighters and paramedics because some of the girls were not wearing the mandatory Islamic dress. “They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn’t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn’t covered...” the Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper said, citing firefighters and police.”
from Saudi Arabia, present day!
@RockStudioLive you leave 90% of the hadith out. the woman in question complained to aysha r.a. aisha complained to mohammed s.a.w.s. who immediately took up her case. SHE complained to him about about her husband's impotency. she complained that HER sex was no good. SHE complained about satisfaction. the husband had children from his former wife. mohammed said the 2 children resembled the father like 2 crows. she didn't complain about being beaten. she said she wasn't getting good sex.
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D0W666 said 'All this shit about 'beliefs' and 'interpretations' and 'sects' and 'questioning God?'
Hi DOW
Interested in your views.
What is your take on reality?
How did we get here?
I WOULD YOU PROTEST
if we are all supposed to spend 20 years of our lives to be able to understand Quran, then how is Quran a clear guidance? Is not Quran for all of humanity? Why God would make it so difficult to understand his message? Does is mean we rely only on scholars and whatever scholars tell us we trust them?
People are not dependent upon people for guidance. Guidance comes from Allah SwT. Do you know ayat al kursi? Don't be scared that people will mislead you, be hopeful God will help you.
At the end of the day there are multiple levels of understanding but every muslim needs to know the basics what to do to be eligible for Allah's mercy on the Day of Judgment.
Make sure you believe the 6 articles of Imaan and fulfill the 5 pillars of Islam and make sure to look to the prophey's example to see how he sallalahi alayhi wa sallam was as a person and how he dealt with peoplenand follow his example sws.
That is the core, there are outer layers that are only helpful if it deepens your imaan. If it doesn't benefit you it's not necessary to know your heart needs to be sincere. That's why we ask for beneficial knowledge (Allahuma inni asaluka 'ilman nafi'an wa rizqan tayyiban wa 'amalan mutaqabbalan) and not for more knowledge or all the knowledge. Only that we can handle and that we can use in practice.
What is "love" for women?
mash'ALLAH excellent talk :)
@RockStudioLive i misunderstood the code? and the movie. what part of kill do i misunderstand? you have to do better than that. dozens of european countries made honor killings legal. or make honor killing a defense in murder. in a wide range of contexts. honor killing is totally european. unless you can twist it to women not being dead. gay men not being dead. dead is dead. it's called honor killing.
Article 324 of the Napoleonic Penal Code states that murder committed by a husband on his wife is excusable in the case of adultery.
@LearnToReadTheKuran We're not in the playground. Thirdly, I'm not a sufi, so don't try and make further insults based on this. I identify as a muslim. I hope that Allah S.W.T guides you so that in the future you don't pour out such hatred and vitriol. Now, instead of pouring out insults, could you please tell me what you feel Hamza Yusuf is saying wrongly in this video?
@MrCalathea Arabic words has multiple meaning
@246trinitrotoluene translators cannot translate accurately anything but technical texts only approximately. and when a lot of the meaning is lost in history, it is even less possible. so, no it is not easy to translate anything. and yes some people in english cannot understand metaphors translated from other languages and cultures. if you knew anything about anything other than rude bullying you might know it too.
I guess it is for the irony of it.
@malika810 nobody today can accurately translate Quran into modern Arabic either. Many meanings have been lost and in fact even people in Mecca and Medina were unclear about much of it and some of its meanings then even were hidden. Ya Sin or Elif Lam Min or Allah's "chair" or the "niche" words or phrases for which no language carries meaning. Because Allah doesn't sit down and heaven is not 3 dimensional. Allah says there are no comparisons. If there is a "throne" there is comparison.
@isafakir
if someone says "allah sits on a throne" in english, i'm pretty sure people are smart enough to understand it's metaphorical, you don't need to know arabic to get the point.
do you seriously believe that nonsense?
@RockStudioLive watch the movie Divorce Italian Style [1961]Article 587 Criminal Code Rocco "Whoever causes the death of spouse, daughter or sister in the act when he discovers the unlawful sexual relations and the state of anger went from offense given your honor or his family, shall be punished by imprisonment three to seven years. The same punishment those who, in those circumstances, causes the death of the person who is in unlawful carnal relationship with the spouse, daughter or sister."
@mehstgful Shakespeare did not write in ancient English, whatever that may be. Shakespeare in Elizabethan English is understandable with a few notes on obsolete words. Please don't try to act like an English scholar.
Islam is against SPOUSE abuse. This should be elaborated upon.
Saying that Islam encourages wife beating is specious but unfortunately in vogue mostly because Islam is presented to the world poorly. The Messenger (p) has been accused of many things by detractors but never of beating his wives.
i quoted abu suud's fetwa right here on this forum. go read it.
wrong english rendition of the Arabic text that is preserved since 1433 years!!!
@princee786 First of all let me tell you that I am not a male.I am a female,and I am not a muslim.Thank you fopr taking time to reply.
The Bible says a man is to love her wife as Jesus loves his church his people and was willing to die for them
NOOOOO... he looks like that hero in the movie Illusionist.
@mehstgful if you can't read shakespeare you really can't read modern english. there is no english MORE modern than shakespeare. that means anyone who might say shakespeare needs a 'translation' is just not educated to any degree adequate to any discussion of shari'a. not a scholar. just another opinion.
@princee786 Regardless if a person is fightening against you or if the person is oppressing against you;we never have the right to kill!
Yeah I kinda agree (to be honest I don't know a whole heap about Islam) but if the apologist at least appeared a bit conflicted I could take the apologetic argument a bit more seriously (in that regard the literalist is perversely easier to identify with, they are completely unconflicted!!). Also if you look at an apologetics site like CARM.org well.....I would say it is more like Christian UNapologetics!!!
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@JuliaEM10 which islam where according to whom. ??? that kind of question is way too open to have an easy answer. what does christianity say about single women? "christianity" according to popes according to evangelicals according to pentecostals a women stays at home keeps her mouth shut before men and obeys her father and husband. in 1956 in rome my sister had to be covered head to toe or she couldn't enter the vatican.
Mohammed saws gave the fetwa that whoever says they believe even if they are lying you must not harm them or hurt them. they are brothers. a Muslim does not threaten others. That is not Islam. and to curse the four Imams to curse Imam al Ghazzali or a famous scholar and grand mufti like Imam Abu Suud, only proves total ignorance of anything in Islam. .
صح لسانك ❤
@malika810
.... lol you missed the whole point.
i don't need to know arabic to understand the passage you just told me. although you think it's some miraculous understanding of microbiology, you probably never thought that mohammed with his limited knowledge at the time failed to understand what was happening and thought that a malevolent spirit was involved.
all people knew about sanitary food .... cook your food first, don't eat it if its moldy, etc etc. these are all simple things lol
Aisha -the one ur making a reference to- clearly told us (in Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim), that ما ضرب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم امرأة "The messenger of God never beat/hit (daraba) a woman, nor a slave, nor a child, nor anyone, ever!" ♦ So unless Aisha didn't consider herself a "woman", she clearly was saying unequivocally that: Mohammed ((peace be on him)) never hit or beat or struck her!
She then said, He only "struck" ضرب in the battlefield fighting.
The Hadith u mentioned: he "poked"
@246trinitrotoluene you certainly do enjoy bullying. it's shame. life is more fun when you don't bully people. it means someone is afraid and ashamed of themselves. hope you get better some day. get to feel comfortable with yourself.
@RockStudioLive aisha says she is a grown woman. aisha says she is a grown woman. no matter what anyone says. mathematically, we know her dates and the dates of her marriage. add and subtract those dates and you get her age. actual age. no ifs no buts no maybes, she says she was an adult. the hadith speaks of her clothes. a child can wear whatever she wants. mathematically her own witness and facts of the hadith agree she is an adult.
@RockStudioLive no man will be ASKED why he hit his wife. abu dawud. as abu suud grand mufti for all sunis in europe africa and the middle east of his time: if the judge finds a man hurts his wife, the judge must stop him by all means available. you don't need to know why he breaks the law. you just need to stop it.
@rockstudiolive of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum.
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@RockStudioLive aisha r/a lived to ripe old age. was one of the generals and a scholar in her old age. she was every bit a full grown adult as a bride. she says so. we know when she was born and when she married. subtract one from the other and her age is clearly an adult, no less than 18. possibly 5 to ten years older.