The Mad God Sheogorath | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #55
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2021
- WELCOME to the Elder Scrolls Podcast with FudgeMuppet. In this episode, Scott, Michael & Drew talk all about Sheogorath.
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To me, the interesting part of Sheogorath is that he actually doesn’t often DO anything, he just watches people destroy themselves
@@OfficerHotpants You’re telling me every chess master just isn’t batshit insane? Damn, I’ve had them all wrong this whole time.
So true. He just sits back and gauges people's reactions/responses. He's an observer.
Sheogorath is that fun friend who’s always down to get litty, but you know eventually you’re going to get caught climbing the fence to the Thalmor Embassy if you hang out with him too much.
I mean, 3 feet of iron won't keep out The Dragonborn.
I once rode a Dragon up to it, and was unable to land within.
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Dragons need a lot of parking space man, just for the record 😅
Yeah, that one friend that's dope but you know gets outta hand real fast.
He's a literal personification of "things just went from 0 to 100 real flippin' quick" 😳
That's Sanguine
True
20:45 - He's got the corprus!
The Divine Coof!
Hey Camel, I was replaying Skyrim the other day and experienced a random encounter near Windhelm.
I was running in the mountains trying to escape a dragon, when a random npc simply called “High Elf” clad from head to toe in magical Dwarven armour and weapons attacked me.
Did I just get jumped by your Altmer build that was obsessed with the Dwemer?
@@yoboyfargoth1208
it makes you immune to all other coofs!
Give us a video before I cut out your eyes ghahaha
I do like how the old Morrowind pronunciation of "SHI-guh-rath" was so similar to "JI-guh-lag". The vowels were sounded quite the same and the consonants sh > dj, r > l, th > g share some properties with real-world language drift. The core of the word stayed the same but was marred and changed, much like the prince himself.
That's really interesting.
I got mentioned
That's pretty fucking cool I'm ngl
You're a neat dude to have laid his out for me. Thanks for the insight, buddy.
To be honest, maybe that's how it's supposed to be pronounced, but we say it the more popular way since it sounds cooler I guess 😅
Huge agree on wanting to see his more violent side. Imagine in ES6, there’s a quest to find an insane serial killer, only to find out at the end that he’s a disciple of Sheogorath, and you only get the Wabbajack (or whatever the artifact is) if you let him go.
Yeah, it's kind of silly in itself that insanity as a concept is toned down this much. Seriously - go to an insane asylum. 90% of the time, it's either frightening or sad, not funny or happy.
@@monsieurdorgat6864 usually way more frightening
I don't think an insane serial killer would be able to handle Wabbajack without hurting themselves. Now, the Fork of Horripilation, that could work pretty well!
@@robertoXCX you think sheograth cares if they hurt hurt themselves with it? lmao
@@robertoXCX You might be quite surprised at what insanity can actually cause a person to be able to handle. An insane killer could likely dual-wield both Wabbajack AND the Fork of Horipulation, and come out completely unscathed, all the while their cheerleading section being made up of multiple Sheogoraths, laughing and celebrating all of the Chaos that would ensue.
*"The Fudgemuppet Tribunal has gone quite mad, I say...all that Cheese I suppose".*
Anyways, my request of Vaermina still stands, this is attempt #2, I'll keep on going till I go mad or succeed.
(Also, Scott, you good man? You were coughing quite a bit, Peryite got you down bad or something 👀)
The thought of Sheogorath on a bipolar depressive downswing is absolutely chilling
But probably would make a booooring quest
"Lay in bed for three days."
"Quest complete."
"Wheel of cheese obtained."
Ironically it'll be all you can bring yourself to bother eating.
He'd lay in bed for 3 days but by the end of the 2nd night he'd have a sudden thought like "I wish everyone could all just go away and leave me in peace..." and in a flash his whole realm outside his bedroom door disappears.
This is the daedric lord who rules my world, albeit not with my consent!
He is part of all us whether we want to or not. He already won.
Cheese!
Bruh I trolled myself so hard with the intro, I acidentally pressed the clip button so I was watching the same part over and over, thought that you guys were going on brand with the god of madness. Thought I was going mad!
That's freaking awesome, dude, lol
I hate when that happens.
You know, I was there for that whole sordid affair. Marvelous times! Butterflies, blood, a Fox and severed head... Oh, and the cheese!!! To die for...
You can call me Anne Marie... IF YOU WANT AN ANGRY IMMORTAL TO FLAY YOU ALIVE! Otherwise, call me Sheogorath.
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen Was it Molag? No, no... Little Tim, the toymaker's son? The ghost of King Lysandus? Or was it... Yes! Stanley, that talking grapefruit from Passwall!!
The enlightenment aspect is what interests me most about Sheogorath. He's the very embodiment of cleverness and wisdom through irony.
He is the burp that smells like a food you never ate.
lmfao
Ah, this is gonna be "crazy"
Maddeningly so
God I love this podcast
CHEESE!
Part of what makes Sheogorath so popular I think is the fact that our minds are simultaneously the most familiar and the most alien parts of us. As the one Prince that is truly unpredictable, just like our own minds, the madgod has a lot of potential because he’s capable of expressing the whole range of human emotions (and potentially provide some commentary on mental health if written correctly). That’s why I hope to see the darker side of him in the future
As a student of psychology, this has always been my favorite.
This Weekly Podcast is a Sunday Ritual. Keep up the good work guys. You should start a Discord :)
When the strongest character gets nerfed so you switch to the cheesiest.
Drew's analysis of Malazan would be fascinating
Madness is a bitter mercy, but is mercy none the less
The most chaotic of blissfull ignorance
You guys always do a great job explaining the lore in a fun way! 😄 Another legendary podcast! 😁
I’m not gonna lie, ESO but not O is something I’ve wanted for a long time. If it doesn’t compromise base content it sounds ideal to me, I genuinely don’t like ESO’s online aspect, it makes it run inconsistently on my mediocre internet, and it breaks the immersion hard; but the idea of a game with a constant flow of RPG content is very attractive to me.
0:55 he's the noun that verbs your other noun.
Spent the last two weeks binge watching to catch up, and now I feel a bit sad because now I gotta wait a week for the next episode. Love the content, guys, keep it up!
I hate when I do that to myself. I do it all the time; with songs, books, tv shows and youtube videos.
Cheese for everyone...
Except Haskill... He gets no cheese
Who's Haskill? 👀
@@thalmoragent9344 CHEESE!!
@@freepalestine2434
😳 but who is he?
@@thalmoragent9344 sheogoraths not so mad butler
@@chaserc81
Oh, I see... why no cheese for him?
Holy shit! An hour long video on Sheogorath. I know what I'm listening to tonight. And it's got all three of you doing it. Thank you, FudgeMuppet.
I will say that in the Skooma Cat quest in ESO Sheogorath is really nailing down on the cruel side of madness. He's making people believe they need to stab out their eyes with forks, jump off of multiple story buildings, etc. It was definitely a nice break from all of the "Cheeeeese!" jokes.
I always imagined sheogorath as more a loss of control, like complete unpredictability. Madness as the idea that nothing makes sense and you can never gonna expect whats next. This encompasses so many things like insanity, random cruelty, art, etc. Complete lack of control the exact opposite of jyggalag.
Love the podcast btw such a fun deep dive convo!
And repitition but that could fall under lack of control
You have no idea how much I love that intro.
I feel if I were going to fall to the influence of a Daedric prince, it would probably be Sheo (or Hermaeus).
Also, hope Scott's ok, coughing a bit.
Sheogorath, Hermaeus Mora and Sanguine would so find it easy to seduce me into their influences.
I wish that sheogorath has a quest where you must help him remember his past as hero of kvatch. Or much crazier there could be a book about how he attacks the high elfs after he remembers for almost destroying the empire he risked his life to save. That would be amazing
He just wipes out the aldmeri dominion with no explanation for his sudden rage towards them
That one of the book would be interesting, because than one could get Hermaeus Mora involved as well. Make it into a Black Book quest. Fascinating.
@@TheEpicBirdman No one likes the High Elves, especially the Daedra. There is so much hate towards them you swear that the Daedra and Nords of Skyrim would make natural allies.
Now my Sunday is perfect 🔥👌
I feel like the whole whimsical or silly side of sheogorath is part of his madness because you just think he is joking when he says he'll play skip rope with your guts but he is probably dead serious so he gets underestimated a lot
Need a full blown video on the enigmatic M'aiq the Liar.
A side note regarding the dlc for eso, major expansions cost extra but dlc zones are included in the subscription.
Only the crazy ones TRULY have fun.
A cool thing they could do with daedric armour and weapons is since they hold a daedric spirit within maybe when you craft them they change slightly depending on what daedra who trap in there. So for example using a daedra from the shivering isles would make a mask like the one from the concept art.
Elder Scrolls 6 Daedric artifact Sheogorath's mask as the mask form the Jim Carrey movie the mask. that would be crazy epic.
Just a random thought, a Drew the Daedrologist playthrough where he collects all the daedric artifacts in one of the games sounds like it could be fun. Anyways, great podcast as always guys.
It is.
"And DONT try to grow a beard, if you try to grow a beard, you will fucking DIE"- the mad god Sheogorath, sort of
Also: "DRINK water, DRINK water, DRINK water, DRINK water, bitch"- Ol' Uncle Sheo
In Elder Scrolls 6, I want to see Sheogorath send you to the Deadlands to seize a piece Mehrunes Dagon’s realm. But the twist at the end is your not swiping it for Sheogorath, but for Jyggalag, to repay this Sheogorath’s original benefactor, oh, and also pay back Dagon.
Honestly I think a quest like thst would depend, I think it would be better to have the quest be you like work for a cult of shegorath only to find out that they support jygalag and yiu get the choice to do the original quest or turn on the cult for shegorath, allowing like two different rewards the wabbajack for sheos side or like a counterpart to it for jygalag
@@danielshore1457 A choice quest would work. But not sure Sheogorath would approve. After-all Jyggalag and the current Sheogorath parted on good terms. Maybe Sheogorath’s quest is to help build a Jyggalag cult, for his predecessor, and all the other Princes’s try to bribe you out of it (Apple of Discord style) since they don’t want to deal with any of that again, and the choice could be either denouncing Jyggalag on behalf of the other Princes and dealing with a pissed off Sheogorath and Jyggalag or sanctifying it and dealing with champions from each other Prince - there to tear down the shrine and kill off the cult by force.
Sheogorath's antics reminds me of aesop's fables 😅
This podcast got me home from a long day at work, love you guys! Love TES! keep it up :)
I was waiting for this one!! Thank you!
What I like about Sheogorath, is that perhaps more than Shor, or Shezzar, more than the many faced Dragon, he understands and reflects mortals best. His domain is the parts of our minds we fear to look into, lest it consumes us completely. His game is making us aware of those shadows, and watching us jump into them.
Gotta love the story where Hircine and Sheogorath face off, each making a beast that will fight, and whereas Hircine made a huge beast, Sheogorath just made a small bird that pecked the beast to death with its beak ahahaha
I always look forward to these
A wonderful topic to cover, gentlemen. A pleasure, as always, to hear you wax poetic on TES.
Touching outro. Thanks for yalls time and effort. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
I like Sheo the best out of the Daedric princes because hes more than "Haha cheese, haha" he's the most complex and scary out of all of them.
Definitely the scariest and most complex. He's my favorite as well.
What should someone do to prevent Sheo from driving them mad? In a contract with him, for example
Read the fine print, sign somebody else's name, and then hope Sheo dont trick you into signing your own name. Or just willingly give in
have an arbitrator. maybe clavicus or peryite?
You already lost pal. He is in you right now. So the best thing to do is accept him, embrace him as your lover and hope he is gentle when the literal "f*cking your brains out" happens. 🤔😅We all have a bit of madness within.
Even trying to prevent his inevitable madness will drive you insane... He is a part of you little mortal
I love Sheogorath he’s hands down one of my favourite princes. Keep up the work lads!!
people seem to think of sheo as just your average friendly trickster god without realizing he's one of the 4 members of the house of troubles for a reason
I really wish we'd get more of a look on his darker side in ES6 as people seem to think he's a fun uncle who likes cheese and that's it
I can't be the only one that thinks the thumbnail picture makes sheo look like those pictures of quakas hugging the camera.
Sheogorath: The nerf that turned out to be a buff
The best part of Sunday.
I could listen to you guys talk for hours - and I have 😂
"Imagine if Elder Scrolls 6 was a live service model with new areas every so often"
*Genshin Impact intensifies* 👀
In the Batman universe, I would say Sheogorath is more akin to the Joker, while Clavicus is the Riddler. They are somewhat similar but Sheogorath is, in reality, at another level when it comes to the cruelty and unpredictability.
Separate podcasts for the expansion and the god himself! You're treating us well
O.O
Hello. I also exist.
Hello Jygg! Long time no see. Oh wait, everything's at once for you. ;)
@@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459 and with any luck you'll manifest in tes 6
Keep calm and respawn in oblivion
I would love it if you guys could do a Vaermina episode soon. I would be very interested to learn more about her.
In Elsweyr he try’s to get the Priests to their eyes out and have them jump off a roof head first
Scott's voice is slowly turning into a Dunmers'
Cool perspective: Sheogorath and Mephala share the sphere of conspiracy/paranoia.
I would posit that Clavicus is a good example of another daedra "growing up", there was a time before he carved Barbas from his soul, and it's apparent that the decision to do so was ultimately quite a mature one.
How busy is Kirkbride these days? Would he be available for an interview?
Hope you start feeling better soon Scott; from the sound of those coughs, Peryite seems to have given you one of his “blessings.”
Had a crazy idea. Making a blue metallic ore called Nannerite. The holder of ore has his speech in complete gibberish. When it’s refined the nannerite can’t make the thing the forger wants it to be. For example the forger wants an axe. The finished product may become a dagger instead. The only way you can properly forge it would be in the Shivering isles. The person wanting to use it needs a piece of ore in their possession to enter then it is used up after 3 tries at the forge. So the player has to find the forge his or herself as no one can understand the gibberish coming out of the mouth.
19:03 thank you. They should show that in the actual games 😐
It makes me happy that someone besides me cares ab this fictional world as much as i do lol
Gonna share this story.
A few years ago, I had a bad case of the flu. I was delirious some times.During some of these deliriums, Sheogorath talked to me.
He would show me memories of my past failures, worst possible outcomes for my future. In depth examinations of my character flaws. When I tried to tell him go away, he'd laugh gleefully and explain that he wasn't real. He say "I'm a figment of your imagination, brought on by either masochistic tendencies, and/ or a desire to be punished for your Sins".
It was horrible.
There's a thin line between genius and madness. Sheogorath is creativity incarnate. A confluence of endless possibilities. The most Padomaic of the known Princes if you ask me.
Edit: Finally, someone else who's read the Book of the Fallen! Go Drew!
Sheogorath rules! He is my favorite - no contest. I love his dark and witty sense of humor. His madness has always made perfect sense to me. He honestly seems more sane than all of the other Daedric Princes put together. TES wouldn't be near as much fun without him. Wouldn't it be interesting to let him loose upon the Thalmor, lol.
Somebody has probly thought of this already but what if all the PCs in ES games are all the same person reincarnating and that person is Lorcan slowly rebuilding himself?
It's an interesting theory, but there's a couple problems. In Morrowind, the PC is Nerevar reincarnated, and becomes immortal due to the Corprus disease. Secondly, in Oblivion, the Hero of Kvatch becomes immortal by manteling Sheogorath, who then meets the Last Dragonborn in Skyrim. So, during the events of Skyrim, there are 3 protagonist characters in existence.
Shaegorath is my favorite daedra lol
19hrs late to this one, just drove myself mad with Camelworks' 6hr Apocrypha CCC video and had to recover
My Fav!!
Sheogorath is the "Joker" of ES.
Sheogorath just sits back and lets you dwell into your own mind. He is escapism at its best when used productively, and yet so destructive when it is not directed well. He does nothing. After all, you already him, you already have madness, and it is the fear that encourages it further and expresses itself. In the Myths of Sheogorath there is a story how a mortal man bet that he could survive in the Shivering Isles without going mad (i.e. insane), by the third day the guy went crazy over his own paranoia into thinking that Sheogorath was plotting to poison him with drink and food. It was his fear that caused him to go insane. Sheogorath did nothing. No poison, no tricks... it was simply the guys' own fears and paranoia that got him. Very few can go into Shivering Isles and come out ok... very few, and that is because those people don't accept their own flaws and just embrace the place for what it is. In order to survive Shivering Isles without effect you need to accept it as it is, take it in as your own, have fun with it, embrace your own flaws and shortcomings, and most importantly respect Lord Sheogorath as the ruler of Shivering Isles. Also amuse him and be as witty, charming and having a sense of humor.
i feel like, and i haven't watched the podcast yet, but i feel like Sheo would make for an excellent villain in TESVI.
Not sure how, but it could be a fun idea.
Cheese for everyone!!!!
To die for.
I always imagined myself wanting to torture a mortal with a good time by making them drink vast amounts of wine, but then I would get upset because they got drunk after two bottles and ending up enjoying themselves, so I would then forcefully make them drink to die of alcoholism quicker while summoning a bottle of various juices and waters for each bottle they have emptied to show them how they wronged Me! Ah, fun times!
Hey quick, someone find my sanity before it runs away!
Have you checked the back of the couch?
It left with mine I think
Not a criticism of you guys, but it amazes me how much time we spend in understanding something made up by others. We probably have invest 10 times more time understanding it that the designer did in creating it.
Hey guys one idea for a future podcast, some petty things which you want in Elder Scrolls 6, like being able to climb ladders, levetation, getting drunk and all, would be cool
Bring back acrobats skill and spell making abilities.
I think as far as the mantling goes and how you manifest, it is canon that the daedric princes have no true form and appear however they want, the CoC/HoK most likely gained a shapeshift ability
I hope ES6 gives us more Accords of Madness.
Concept: Sheogorath having tea with Hermaeus Mora...
"More tea, Hermy my dear?"
I'm not sure how authoritative "SkoomaCat" is, but I like the idea of a daedric prince "growing out" of things. Sure, they've got their spheres and their realms are a reflection of their intrinsic nature (if I understand correctly), but they're not in isolation. There's influence from other princes but there's also the influence of mortals.
I take it as an extremely lengthened process of Mehrunes Dagon switching sides based on who is the underdog. They're not immutable, they can react to things going on around them. Now, it probably shouldn't be done "overnight" but a few thousand years sounds fair for just stopping torturing butterflies. Definitely didn't stop torturing in general, his "torturing" just became slightly more "deadly pranking".
Another possibility, and I'm not sure about the timing, but I wonder if Sheogorath "growing out" his butterfly phase was due to him being mantled.
An hour isn’t long enough
47:35 just like the Mongolian myth about the creation of Mongolian "horse violin". A warrior's favorite horse died and to commemorate their kinship he made a violin from the horse's body parts.
The adoring fan is actually an aspect of sheogorath attempting the player insane
Hey, I do everything untrained and high on Skooma!
The OG madlad
Sheogorath is kind of a less nutty version of Professor Bobo who was the original Mad God.
So the Deadra decided hey this dude to strong lets make him insane and there were probably like, what have we done
11:10 he also says something about Martin
Scott at 24:00 looks like he is asking himself " what is this madman talking about? God his voice is so sexy, wait what did I think?"
51:07
Lol, that sus sentence though 🤣
Whatever happened to Giuseppe? Lol
Great podcast btw
I wish they did something similar to the Malkavian playthrough in the original VtM for a Sheogorath quest in Elder Scrolls 6.
Another interesting thing would be if, should you encounter Sheogorath, there will be an initial unscripted, randomized interaction.
So let's say you walk up to Sheogorath, and there's like a 1/100 chance he just instantly kills you for no reason. Every time you reload a save, what he does will be new, with let's say a 1/3 chance that he actually talks with you to begin the quest.
Honestly if they did something like that it should be something that makes the character go insane like you see all npcs as enemies and like the quest would be you need to get an item for him and it turns into a typical like bandit camp attack quest and then he takes the affect away you need to go back to the place to put the item back and it turns out there was no enemies and you just slaughtered innocent people
I'm the one who made the concept art daedric faces for morrowind mod. Never thought I'd see it here haha.