The Nine Divines, or is it Eight? | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #51
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Julianos DESTROYS Dibella with FACTS AND LOGIC!
Based as hell
Sigma julianos
Julianos livin that thug life
Julianos, god of incels
A video on Daggerfall's notable story details and all the different endings could be interesting, and since most people haven't played it, it could be very informative to those who haven't.
Fudge if u see this do it 👆👆👆👆
I second this
I'm just gonna say.
"By the Nine!" sounds better.
FACTS
"By Malacath's toenails!"
In front of thalmor...
@@broomy1610 21W11 12 12 YA2
@@broomy1610 21W11 12 12 YA2
I just know that I got a blessing when praying at shrine of Talos 😤😏, just like the other 8 divines
PROOF
Yeah but if you use Wintersun you can even get blessings from daedra!
@@etinarcadiaego7424 I doubt mods would be considered canon, even the lore friendly ones adjust to the lore but do not make it
That blessing in Skyrim is Fortify Shouts: 0
So
Not really much of a blessing
@@alemirdikson .20 or 20% actually. Another bug on Bethesda’s part. They didn’t set the shout as a percentage.
Used to be an adventurer like you, then I got addicted to fudgemuppet
Lol
Hey, a scholar isn't half bad either
He knows...
@@HHLucifer666 He knows you can know! - Septimus Signus
This was Kyne of awesome, for Shor!
Tsun you're gonna too far with those puns, slow it down, orkey?
@@elliotbishop231 😂
Underrated comment of the day! That was great. 🤣
I’m convinced Lorkhan made Talos a God as a middle finger to the 8 divine 😂
Or...they're one and the same? It's said that Talos was a Shezzarine a reincarnation of Shezzar the original 9th divine of the old Imperial pantheon. Shezzar is just the Imperials' version of the Nord's Shor. Shor was just an aspect of Lorkhan who had Red Mountain dropped on him when Shor tried to get his heart back.
"For the love of Talos, will you shut up already" -Nord about to lose his head
I think it's, "For the love of Talos, shut up and let's get this over with."
@@yojishinkawa378 high king torygg be like
@@mygetawayart lol
@@yojishinkawa378 COME ON! I haven't got all morning!
"my ancestors are smiling at me Imperials, can you say the same"
These guys make an hour long podcast seem so much shorter. Best channel ever < 3
“I don’t think Nords would be happy with… any changes” sums it up
Bit rich from a race that gave up their own gods in favor of the Imperial version.
As the rich family from white run said about their rivals:
They're stuck in the past and are uncivilised
@@ivans.5959 You know they were talking about worshipping talos and following the stormcloaks right.
@@harlekingyt7302 yes.
But also I'm referring to the fact that they refuse to accept change as the main comment said
@@ivans.5959 But they do accept change, they follow the stormcloaks who push for a independent country. The empire has ruled skyrim for over 500 years. the greymanes are for change, its the battle-borns that don't. Kinda of ironic.
One thing to remember about Tiber Septim specifically is that he was a legitimate Dragonborn. As in, he was said to have "eaten dragons" and was shouted at by the Greybeards up in High Hrothgar. And it's specifically said that only a Dragonborn could withstand their combined voice. A normal person would presumably be blown into a red stain on the walls. And it's also mentioned that later in his life many Nords literally saw a dragon when they looked at Tiber Septim. There were also some dragons around at the end of the Second Era, yet they were pretty much extinct by the start of the Third Era. So there's also the idea that Tiber Septim became a god by taking all of the souls of the Dragons that were alive at the end of the Second Era, and not through the mantella theory. The guy was literally a demigod since birth, so him finding a way to become a more powerful god on his own is really not out of the question. After all, Miraak was also trying to do something similar.
The original concept of the Imperial City was “The city of a thousand cults,” and I believe Kirkbride wanted to explore that more going into TES IV.
The whole thing about Arkay makes you wonder if he was actually the first mortal to achieve CHIM and ascend in the dawn era, writing the laws and limitations of mortality going forwards into the merethic era.
The connection between Talos and Shor is fascinating, love all the theories surrounding it.
"Mara's a full on bakery" ~ Scott circa 2021
now I want people to clip, memorable quotes from the podcast.
By the 9 divines! Assault! ASSAULT!
You Elves are all the same! All flash, and no fur- _HMMPFFF_
@@Longshanks1690 U remind me of my neighbor's cat- killed that one, too!
Praise Julianos. Dude gets constantly ignored 😫
Julian-who?
Zenithar called,he said your full of it.
Love you three. So glad that I can end a night at work with you wonderful humans. I just want to say thank you and I really appreciate everything you are all doing!
And yay, the Divines declared...
Akatosh: "Where is that apocalypse? Hmm It's running somewhat tardy. By my watch, at...one hundred years overdue at quarter past the hour. tsk, tsk, tsk."
Arkay: "Live and let die."
Dibella: "Sex, herbs and rock'n bards."
Kynereth: "Don't F*ck with mother nature."
Julianos: "It's Magic - I don't need to explain it!"
Mara: "Do you? Do you? Good you're married, Kiss em!"
Stendarr: "God of Mercy - All I have to do is not show up to work."
Zenithar: "Capitalism - It just f*cking works!"
Talos: "Our Lord, who are't in the Imperial City, hollowed be thy wrath."
Todd Howard is Zenithar.
One of the roleplay concepts I have had in the back of my mind is to be a Vigilant of Stendarr that is secretly a Paladin of Merida.
The romans actually did have quite a purity streak and often had times where there where “public morals” were rather bemoaned or even enforced.
It's really interesting looking back at historical cultures like this. The Romans actually were pretty conservative compared to their contemporaries and even in some cases compared to later Christians when it came to sex, but also had some things we would perceive as more progressive, such as something fairly similar to no-fault divorce being fairly common at least among the upper classes. Because modern western culture is so influenced by Abrahamic religions and specifically Christianity, we tend to view things with that lens when analyzing if historical cultures were conservative or not, but the specifics are often a lot more... a la carte, I guess.
As someone who was a teenager when Pluto was retrograded from a planet to a planetoid, and was observing the cackling and arguing aftermath of that decision on the layman... The removal of a God-but-not-really-a-god-its-complicated from the pantheon by the villains of the story was pretty similar x)
You couldnt progress in nights of the nine dlc without the blessings of Talos. He *IS* a God now, but not a divine. Thats why theologically literate monks refer to the Nine as the Eight and One specifically.
That outro was.. sudden, lol.
Thank you, someone mentions the specific usage of "The Eight and the One." I've seen people mention the Knights of the Nine thing, but not the Eight and The One
I'd love to see a vid going further into the Talos/ Lorkhaj connection.
Here before you guys hit a million subs because I know it is going to be soon with the amazing content Scott, Michael, and Drew have been producing with these podcasts over the past year. You guys are literally what I listen to every night when going to bed, I can't wait to see what else you guys have in store for the future. I cant wait to see that sub count hit 1 Million, you three have earned every single one!
I’m not gonna have some puffed up knife ear telling me who I can and cannot worship.
Skyrim is for the nords!
@Wirr Ling do you hate the dark elves? are you here to bully us and tell us to leave?
@@hobomike6935 I have no problem with you or your people, except for the slavery bit
@@hobomike6935 Cope, seethe, and recognize that Skyrim is (culturally) for the Nords.
Shor's bones what is this blasphemy?! Praise be *Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise!*
lol That's one of the best lines in the game, along with "AND THEEEEEERE IT IS FRIENDS. THE UGLY, TRUTH!"
Really miss these pods. Always such a vibe to listen too while at work
By the Nine, It's The Elder Scroll Podcast!!!
Imagine taking the goddess of marriage as your concubine, such a chad move.
Hi Scott, Drew and Michael, always loved your stuff and im really enjoying the podcasts, just wanted to let you know, thank you and have a great one
As controversial as "Is Pluto a planet?"
🤔 but it's not a planet.
Or "Is Julianos still an aedra?"
@@Grinnar
There are only eight planets in the entire universe with that definition and thinking.
If you separate Dwarf Planets from regular Planets you’re also separating Exo-Planets from regular Planets.
Besides, Dwarfs are still people right?
@@MDPToaster it's a Plutoid.
@@Grinnar
Imagine defining a planet based on its position in the universe and it’s surrounding area rather than its ability to be round and orbit a star.
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42:25 “She’s a full on Bakery” xD broo metaphysical humor is the best amazing wit
There is a simple answer to this.
The Aedra are gods to the elves. Aedra are their ancestors. Talos is an ancestor of some men. Hence, he is the same as an Aedra. Now, Elves worships their ancestors, not even thir own. Why is it no ok for men to worship someone else's ancestor?
The whole Aedra and Daedra stuff is relative. To Aldmeri-descended Elves, Auriel is their Aedra as they are genetically descended from him. But to Men, Auriel is a Daedra as they are not genetically descended from him. Humans are descended from Lorkhan and Kynareth so these two godly beings would be Aedric to the Nords but Daedric to the Elves. Moreover, Azura, Boethiah and Mephala would be Aedric to the Dunmer, as the Dunmer were created by these 3 godly beings but to everyone else they would be Daedric. That’s really how it works.
Molag Bal is technically half-Aedric to Pure-Blooded Vampires and an Aedra to the Dreughs, but a Daedra to everyone else. There’s plenty more examples I can give but you should get the point that Aedra simply means “my ancestors” and Daedra means “not my ancestors”.
@@muslimcrusader5987
Aedra means that they took part in creation, not that they are genetically related to them.
Molag Bal is a Daedra, because he didn't help create Mundus. Meridia could be considered both
@@maxteraform Actually no that’s not true. That’s a misconception many make. Aedra simply means “our ancestor”, specifically in the Elven tongue. It doesn’t mean “the ones who created Mundus”. Moreover, the Daedra actually did take part in the creation of Mundus but they pulled out after realising Shor’s trickery. Atronachs and many Oblivion creatures can be found naturally occurring on Mundus, and the Khajiits were created by Azura. The Daedra played a massive role in Mundus they just didn’t lose a chunk of their power. Magnus also played a massive role, being the architect of Mundus but like the Daedra he pulled out before losing his power.
@@muslimcrusader5987
Aesra means our ancestors, but in practise, they are the ones who created Mundus. You are thinking of the Magna Gee, who pulled out when they realized Lorkhan tricked them.
Khajiit religion is quite different from elven and men so they don't have the Aedra or Deadra term. But for every Mer and Man, Aedras were the ones that created Mundus and would later become the Ehlmofey.
@@maxteraform Again, that’s a misconception. Aedra simply means “our ancestor” in the Elven tongue. To the Aldmer, Auriel is their ancestor as he is their father. But to Men, Auriel is not their ancestor. He is technically a Daedric being to the Nords, but they don’t use that word because it’s of the Elven language. Humans just say Auriel is not their ancestor. It’s that simple. As with the Khajiits they refer to Azura as their ancestor. They don’t use the word Aedra as it’s not in their language but technically Azura would be an Aedric being to the Khajiits as well as the Dark Elves.
"Apologist" doesn't mean someone apologizing for a group. It used to be synonymous with "advocate."
In the distance I can hear Heimskr.
Weee are but maaagots, wriiithing in the filth, of our own coruption. BUT YOU, YOU WALK AMONG THE STAAAAARS
I always kill him first when I get to Whiterun. Then Nazeem, if I can. I've only done it once without getting a bounty.
@@nyxx5357 I sometimes play with the Inigo mod, and boy are the run inns with Nazeem funny. Inigo always dominates him like a boss whilst Nazeem squeels and run away. Super fun.
As for Heimskr, i sometimes use AFT and bring him along on my adventures.
Then i leave him in the thalmor embassy.
I'm sure Elenwen could use the company.
Todd Howard is the godhead
He did help with the modern formula. Have you played the first two games?
the Toddhead
"It wasn't exactly the same, but it was good enough for the Nords".
IRL it really was that easy to convert pagans to Christianity. Tell them they can keep their traditions and revere their previous gods as saints and they are perfectly happy to adopt the new religion. It was surprisingly effective.
Small edit-- They could convert or they were killed*
Nine and F to the dominion! Say his name TALOS!
Fool, Lord Sheogorath is the one true god above all of the mortals of Nirn, and all Aidra and Daedra!!!!!!!!
@@cracdealer9007 who do they aid?
@@Grinnar what do you mean?
Divine deez nuts, ALL HAIL THE BOOTYWARRIOR!! ALL HAIL MOLAG'S BALL'S!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Zenithar: It ain't much, but its honest work
I love it when the deadroligist Drew comes in with the true information. His comments about Shezzar/Akatosh always makes me take a deep lore dive to settle my mind. I need more travels through the realms of Oblivion from Drew
honestly, my fav part of the weekend: coffee, Enderal/Skyrim/Witcher and listening to these podcasts
Sickest burn to say to a Thalmor agent, "Talos is more of a god then you are."
I'd rather just burn the thalmor agent directly, with a few quick blasts of the "incineration destruction spell..
Oh man praise shor, I was just checking if there was gunna be a podcast thank the gods
One of my favorite things about the Elder Scrolls lore is the inclusion of so many differing accounts of events where the writers have clearly taken from historical examples of writers embellishing tales with the truth being somewhere in-between. And then the instances where seemingly embellished events actually turn out to be likely what happened in universe.
I like these guys for all the lore they give us in every video!
57:21 Wouldn't that mean, technically, the Stormcloaks are right in not wanting to be part of the Empire anymore because it's one of Talos' wishes? I mean, a new Empire with Skyrim at the center instead of Cyrodiil is "young" and "new", despite it being "messy" and isn't "pretty.
Skyrim doesn’t have the history or the military to become an empire when compared to the imperials. Skyrim + an even further weakened empire wouldn’t stand a chance against the dominion, and even then the empire has a much larger population and military than Skyrim. Also ulfric is a f*ucking racist bitch who can’t see past his own pride. Imagine an empire with the central culture being the rash, magic hating, stubborn, xenophobic nords.
@@legendary_tortoiseo5553 I blame the dark elves for not helping in the fight against the dominion. they sat around on their chocolate colored keisters and drank sujamma while the empire was chipped off province by province.
Even the argonians of black marsh helped more with the war than the dark elves did. f*** the knife ears. go back to morrowind where you belong.
I mean the stormvloaks are right that they don't want to be apart of the empire. Its like they state that the empire isn't a good thing anymore, like they said its an imperial empire that imposes its will and beliefs on others. Let's be honest the empire is a less extreme version of the aldmeri dominion under the thalmor
As someone who's ancestors were slaves...yes they were praying in shackles. Also their overlords probably forced the faith upon them after uprooting their native Gods.
Best part of my Sunday! Cheers dudes
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a discussion based on the talos/shor connection would be dope
Hot take: Talos is the 9th divine, not because he achieved Chim and became a god, but because he was Shezzarine, and in achieving Chim he completed the Mantling of Shezzar/Lorkhan. His statues depict him defeating a serpent (Auriel/Akatosh), and he appears in support of the Nerevarine, giving him a coin and bidding they "Go with Kynareth" before the Nerevarine journeys past the Ghost Gate to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. That the Nerevarine can even do this is odd, considering the might of the Et-Ada was insufficient in doing this before, implying the heart has lost power (as if it's no longer the core power of Nirn). The existence of Sovngarde proves that Lorkhan is indeed still alive, elsewise his pocket realm couldn't be, and Talos' blessing confers power to shouts, a gift bestowed upon mortals by Kyne (wife of Shor) to fight dragons (children of Akatosh/Auriel, the great enemy of Lorkhan). Further, the powers Talos exhibited in his achieving of Chim far surpass anything we hear of the living tribunal, having terraformed the heart of Tamriel as if it were his own realm.
Is cereal a soup?
is a hot dog a sandwich?
It's a salad
Yes and so is a smoothie. 😉
@@HostileBurger ooo that’s a new one. Explain please. I guess it really depends on the amount of milk… but I enjoy my cereal in more of a stew ratio.
@@jamesnievin2521 yes.
I know I am late, but here's some interesting trivia:
- Even with the Aldmeri ban on Talos worship, the Empire did not enforce it (at least in Skyrim), until a certain Jarl named Ulfric assaulted Markarth (and committed some very questionable acts, like a bastard) and demanded the unenforced-ban to be lifted. This got the attention of the Thalmor and we are now where we are: in a civil war because Ulfric couldn't keep his wits about him, which is personally why I support the Imperial side of the conflict. Yes, they kowtow to the Thalmor, but the mess was made by a Stormcloak, and I'll be damned if I serve Ulfric.
- In Skyrim it isn't shown as much, but in the lore, the Nords have "dead" gods, such as Tsun and Shor, hearthgods that are active (Dibella, Mara, Kyne) and testing gods, Orkey and Herma Mora. The twilight gods or end gods, is Alduin and the Dragonborn god: Talos. I say all this because regarding the Nords' reaction to Akatosh (i.e. Alduin) being worshipped by the Imperials, is something of a disturbing and dangerous concept to them, as they want Alduin to stay asleep.
Never been more happy to see a video pop up in my notifications
Regarding the frowned-upon nature of Dibellans-
A lot of the genesis of the sexual purity concept is property rights, plain and simple. In patriarchal societies, people wanted to know that is was their DNA they were passing their wealth and possessions on to. Religion just slapped morality and the threat of divine punishment onto this idea, irrevocably reinforcing the idea that sex is dangerous and Wrong.
As long as their are noble bloodlines in Tamriel, it is extremely likely those cultures and their respective religions would follow suit.
Hence, Dibella and casual promiscuity would be sneered at by pious citizens. Christianity isn’t special in this regard.
In other words, Thots have to begone.
@@SuperLumianaire
Correct!
There*
Its a moot point because all races have different number of gods. Not all races recognize all gods. For example Magnus is included in the altmer pantheon but not in the nordic and imperial.
I still like these discussions.
That is true BUT many of the Gods in the Elder Scrolls universe DO have their own equivalent/intepretations in multiple different pantheons.
For example Auri-El/Akatosh is worshipped by everyone except the Dunmer, Redguard & Argonians. Or other Gods are considered good in one culture but evil in other cultures, like Lorkhan/Shor/Shezarr who is evil for the Altmer but good for the Nords.
The Nine Divines are the vanilla ice cream of gods. Basically the most plain, stripped down version of the aedra. But at the same time, also useful and practical in a lot of situations because they DON'T have that wacky extra flavor. I sort of imagine it as a religion of convenience, which makes sense for a huge cosmopolitan empire. Because what's easier and more appealing to a busy imperial merchant: dropping to your knees in the wilderness to praise Kyne, or just muttering a quick prayer to Kynareth for some better weather.
Edit: Also, love how the Englishman is the one downplaying the imperialism lol. Rule Britannia intensifies.
Yoooo this is gonna make work so much better
Another amazing video guys keep up the great work
Nice podcast. Loved it!
Drew blinked twice.
From my viewpoint, Mankar Camoran's pov clicks with me more. I feel like they were all daedra who killed Lorkhan and took his place all at once. You won't believe how much this can affect gameplay.
A long one! Hell yeah!!
You'd think it'd be easy enough to have an alternate take on Talos for this younger generation of Altmer who weren't there for the rapid expansion of the empire to try to curtail rebellion, knowing their superiority complex. "Yeah, Talos is a god because Akatosh came and got him, we'll all be there some day eventually, it just takes a lot of time. He was just the easiest to reach at the time, given his accomplishments and high status. In time there will be 10 divines, then 11, then 12 and so on until we're all back. He's proof we're not stuck in the curse of mortality forever."
That would be kind of cool.
@@burningbronze7555 I'd love to see a secret Altmer cult of Talos worshipers with a similar line of logic in ES6. It'd make sense for it to be in the Highrock/Hammerfell region over Skyrim too, as civil war isn't easy to live in and the conflicts with Hammerfell are less recent.
Having a few disenfranchised former Dominion soldiers go "yeah, that IS some bull!" and defecting to maybe go set up near Orsinium where humans have decided aren't worth the Orc raids would be neat. (Or maybe even in the city, I can't see the inhabitants caring a lot who they worship so long as they help keep the city going, even if they aren't given the most warm welcome in Tamriel.) That's probably just wishful thinking, but something like this would be a cool detail, even if it's not exactly like that, anyway.
Not all Altmer think the same, and some must have seen the writing on the wall to make it out of Summerset before it got horrible for the faithful one way or another, so there's a lot of ways and reasons to make an Altmer-centric Talos cult work. I can't believe we weren't given one or two in Skyrim who were obviously written as anti-Thalmor to make it more clear that elves aren't a monolith, and are actually people with a variety of beliefs and thoughts on all sorts of things.
Closest we get is MAYBE the one that's the original Jarl of Riften's steward because of the Jarl's Stormcloak backing. Even then, though, she's kind of a slimy character like most are in Riften.
I love FudgeMuppet would love to talk about elder scrolls theories sometime (mostly the dragon cult, there is something interesting going on there) I feel you guys really see the lore of the series the way I do
I really like the “Spiteful Moon” idea. 🤣😂🤘🏼
"If you look at the timeline, they all descend from Tiber Septim's brother."
The list of Roman comparisons grows longer. The Roman Emperors soon after the founding of Rome were very interested in finding any connection to Julius Caesar. Augustus was a favored nephew, if I recall.
Favored in life but adopted as his son and heir in Caesar's will. Although this didn't confer Augustus, at that point Octavian still, with any political authority as Caesar was only Dictator of the Roman Republic, a civic office conferred by the Senate.
Nephew and adopted son. As theeccentrictripper pointed out, this did not automatically confer any political office or authority upon Julius' death because Rome did not have hereditary nobility.
But because he was so favored by Julius, some of the senators and military leadership favored him as the new imperator while others favored Marc Antony, so they were co-imperators for a while.
Marc Antony lost a lot of favor when he took Julius' baby momma, Cleopatra, as his own and adopted their illegitimate son. He thought this would seal his claim to legitimacy to be sole imperator, but it backfired disastrously.
After his defeat of Marc Antony and Cleopatra, Octavian (now Augustus) proved to be a great leader. It was under his leadership that the Republic became the Empire, but that was largely due to his pragmatic political reforms and restructurings than anything else. During Augustus' reign, there was finally peace and stability throughout the empire, resulting in what is called _Pax Romana,_ the Peace of Rome (sometimes also called _Pax Augustus,_ the Peace of Augustus).
rome was founded well before the life of julius caesar, and augustus/octavian was actually his relative
get your history right
You guys are fucking awesome! Never stop posting on this channel plz!
The lips of the Ordinator mask in the background makes Dibella look like she's wearing a bow.
🏹🧙♂️🔥Thanks for this guys!! I've always wanted to know but been too lazy to read!!🔥🧙♂️🏹
For the curious, the statues are from TES: Blades.
Always happy to see this notification
Look, after becoming the Divine Crusader and leading the Knights of the Nine against Umaril, I will always hold to the Nine Divines. However, the Empire is definitely the best choice in the 4th Era, as far as I'm concerned.
42:25
Oh my God I'm dying 😂😂
Well given the plot of oblivion and even parts of Daggerfall, I’d say it’s 9.
By the three! What insolence
For Stromcloack it's 9. Thalmor and Empire have 8. But Skall has only All Maker.
It's more like: For the Stromcloack, it's 9. Thalmor have 8 for now. It's 9 for the Imperials, but shhhhhhh, pretend they only rock the 8. And the Skall have Todd, the maker of everything in the world. 😆
Just did some deep lore diving after watching AllinAll's videos and now I need an episode on C0DA
You guys talked about comparison with the different cultural aspects of Aedra. What about the Daedra? Also could the Daedra just be aspects of the Aedra that persisted outside of Mundus?
49:03 Scott! We see you and we appreciate you ❤️ 🏴
I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you, And you know that can't be bad, yes, he loves you, and you know you should be glad, ooh he loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stendarr is my personal favorite of the Divines. He seems like the quintessential paladin's god (light, mercy, justice, ect), and while I love how whacked out TES's lore can get, some fantasy tropes are just too good for me to pass up.
I'll treat you pelinel treats an elf if you say Talos isn't a divine
Scott was based AF this episode lol
Scott out here with the Talos praising?
To clarify about slavery, we in the modern Western world have a habit of seeing all accounts of it through the eyes of our own, very unique version of chattel slavery in the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. But that is not how slavery was predominantly practiced throughout human history.
As far back as we can go into ancient Near Eastern and Greco-Roman history (and I use them because that's what I'm most familiar with, and because the Cyrodiilic empires are largely modeled after ancient Rome), slavery was by-and-large indentured servitude.
People would often become slaves of others in order to work off debts of various kinds (their own or even others'). If that would take longer than desired, slaves had to freedom to have side hustles to earn and save enough money (yes, they had financial freedom) to purchase their freedom from their masters (and if they had enough left, even Roman citizenship). In the ancient Near East, some societies (including the ancient Hebrews) had set times when all the slaves of one's own people (like an indentured fellow Hebrew and his family) were all to be set free. If they felt life was better for them overal as servants rather than struggling to survive independently, those freed slaves could choose to become servants of that household forever.
Also, keep in mind that in both ancient Near Eastern and Greco-Roman society, servants/slaves were counted as part of the household and were accorded the proper respect as such. Sometimes the servants would be subsumed into the family proper over time by the chief son of the household being given a daughter among the servants as his wife. When the father died, the son would take his place as the ruling patriarch of the family and his wife would thus also take her pride of place as the household matriarch.
Often times, if a husband and wife had no biological child of their own, they would adopt their chief servant (the servant/slave who ran their household on their behalf, with their full authority) as their son, and he would inherit their entire fortunes after their passing.
Also, one's social class in the Roman Republic/Empire depended on one's wealth. There were many former slaves who had accumulated enough wealth to ascend to the heights of the Roman classes, including some who became senators. And they were well equipped to do so, as they werenoften very well educated (slaves were thebones who took the household children to their schools/tutors, making sure the whole time they behaved themselves and were attentive to their studies, and punished them if necessary; and, again, they were the ones who ran the household, chiefly under the oversight and direction of the matriarch).
Long story short: Slavery for much of human history was not akin to the chattel slavery as exemplified by the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Though forms of chattel slavery did exist, much of it was indetured servitude in which the slaves themselves did have certain rights, privileges, and freedoms.
I would imagine that slavery among the Ayleids ran the full spectrum. Under those who worshipped that Aedra and good Daedra, it likely was either non-existent at best or indentured servitude at worst. Under those who worshipped the bad Daedra (like Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon), it was undoubtedly chattel slavery with lot of humiliation and torture.
Am I the only one that rewinds the intro for that epic music
maybe the reason that auriel got assigned the dragonv and alduin when they made akatosh because they didn't trust auriel, the Elven god, or dragons. time is pretty scary, after all, especially in skyrim
A question I have is how does Talos achieving chim work with him become a divine, as achieving chim is to separate yourself from the dream of reality but being a divine is to become and integral part of the dream, would those two not be in conflict?
hale mighty Talos! Lol made the empire became a god
I think you guys should either do a podcast on the Sixth House or the Tribunals of Morrowind.
If you guys are going to answer questions then, here’s one that sounds good in my head:
Is there a connection between Peryite and Akatosh outside of their appearance?
Mara is skyrims version of mary. Especially with the “in relation to” way of referring to her
Bah! 9 divines? What divines? People believe they deserved to be worshipped? Pffft what a grand and intoxicating Innocence..
From the Bruma Let's Play to the pod cast.
Is Kanya that ninth divine? Tell me more about this fountain of youth, Scott.
Dibella is the god of coomers and arts majors.
The Dibella > Sanguine pipeline is real.
Now Stendarr, Zenithar and Julianos... those are real gods.
Kynareth and her son Morihaus are my favorite.
Hello does anyone know anywhere i can find a list of new perks or traits for a future fallout game or what I can do to add a suggestion for fudgeMuppet.
Mara is The Incredibly Involved Aunt 😂😂😂
“four incubators”
you guys definitely are something.
Vigilants of Stendarr can back the flip off unless they want a mace in the face.
In the u.s., slaves were generationally forced to convert to christianity, except most often taught that they were "rightfully" enslaved. Over time this became less forced and many slaves adapted previous cultural and religious elements with a new christian faith, forming their own form of christianity. Just some extra input on the whole slave religion thing