If he did it as a private citizen, oh well. It's immoral to train China in squat. But hey saw a opportunity to fund his family using skills he had. Anyone blame him for acting like any capitalist of a higher wage bracket? We have rich scum skirting bans on tech and research (some dangerous to upgrade their military) for far more money than this, and society tirns a blind eye.
This bloke is full of it. Most military procedures are considered secrets and even in Australia it is a crime to give state secrets to a foreign nation.
The issue is providing justice and due pricess - the crimes are only alleged, with no specificity or evidence. This treatment is uncivilized and very fishy.
@mikesmith -po8nd He knew but didn't care. How the Fk would you know. You don't even know what sort of Planes he was instructing on. It could of been a Crop Duster. Knobhead
@@mikesmith-po8nd This man trained pilots in fixed wing single engine aircraft. Location South Africa along side 6 other ex US Air force pilots. There has been no proof that any Chinese nationals were amongst those trained. This man has never broken any Australian laws. This man is a Nationalized Australian just like anther 70% who reside in Australia NOW. Extradition laws state to be relocated to USA the person must be charged in both Countries. This man has been imprisoned in Australia for 2 years unlawfully with no charges . Also please note President Biden has just pardoned his son and this man is to be made a scape goat for no reason.
Australia sucks Chinese dicks China owns half of Australia lmao I Agee China is the the Emnemy but our govement have bent over and took it like a slut for years.
@@Berserker978Not true. That aside, aiding a country that’s in an unfriendly relationship with that of whose secrets and tactics you’re sharing, is sedition at the least, and treason at the most. THAT aside, it doesn’t matter if he was training Australia, UK, or China, he was divulging tactics, procedures, and information that’s closely kept in house, without permission. There are laws about this. A lot of them.
Hes American and sold out his country. Becoming Australian citizenship and marrying Australian citizens isn't a get out of jail card. He broke his oth that threatened both US and Australia national security
@@FrancisBrown-v8x Maybe so, but that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this traitor. Yours is a typical tactic of a person that has no good argument or even a working brain.
The act of training it self is not wrong. What the Chinese want is the tactic the west especially the use using. What is wrong is he exposing the tactic( limitations /advantages of us jets)to Chinese so this will/could have cause a big problem for us pilots. Never tell your “ enemy” about your war strategy.
Please explain to me what duty the Aussie government has to protect the family of a criminal from having that criminal sent to jail? Is she just saying words? Just making nonsense up?
He was training pilots from a country who is hostile to not only his own but to many others and who would use that training against us if given the opportunity ... he is a traitor and doesn’t deserve sympathy.
Irony. Also a country that we flood with trillions of US dollars in exchange for cheap labor, billions for a few elite, and campaign and lobbying contributions. Also the country that makes all our defense tech, or most of it. Also the country that buys bonds and helps the politicians bail out our criminal overspending. To the tune of trillions and trillions. This makes us hypocrites and if Washington cared about our security the world wouldn't look the way it does
If he's innocent and honorable then he should want to clear his name. Also: I would say that this is nothing compared to the Bidens' Family and Administrations' actions/crimes
@robertshaver4432 He's been in a maximum security prison in Australia for over 400 days without charges, the government took all his and his wife's assets, properties so it basically impossible for any legal defence.
Um Yeah. I have missile batteries going in my area because of China's aggression in the Western Philippine Sea. The Australian navy has had it's share of problems with China. Mr. Duggan is on the wrong-side of US, Australian, and most Asian countries to say the least. Mr. Duggan was an a former US officer which means that he can be recalled to active duty and is subject to the UCMJ. Mr. Kolomeitz is a silly lawyer full of sheep dip.
Why are USA putting nuclear missiles all around China to stop them trading, Exactly like they embargoed rising power Japan, forcing them to war, then leaving them under an army of occupation ever since, same as Germany and Korea 🤷♂️
"former Marine" if he considers himself a former Marine, then he never took being a Marine seriously. And the security clearance documents he signed have no expiration date. If he was violating that, then he was committing espionage or treason.
This guy was in the US Marines, he knew better. If he wanted to fly jets, there were other options. Teaching a nation that threatens others to fly and fight like their potential adversaries is traitorous. The American people paid a lot of tax dollars to train this guy and gain the experience he has. Selling out to China is disgusting.
@MFFMPN doesn't matter, Marines are a band of brothers. You don't sell out and bring potential harm to your brothers. Marines are a tight knit group that only those that stood on the yellow foot steps would understand. We don't like traitors.
@@MFFMPN Unfortunately he's protected by (if nothing else) the fear of setting up precedents of going after past Presidents. It didn't stop them from going after Trump, but frankly I'm concerned that Trump will try to be too "honorable" in that regard for either his or the country's good. Frankly Biden and his family are criminals, and there is evidence in that regard. Just because he's fallen into senility is no excuse.
@@MFFMPN Wait and see. Since Joe pardoned his son, his son can be compelled testify against him in court. Hunter can't plead the fifth because he can't be prosecuted for his previous crimes. But, and its a really BIG but, Hunter can be prosecuted for refusing to testify against his dad.
@@TDX3000 "The United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB), colloquially known as Leavenworth, is a military correctional facility located on Fort Leavenworth, a United States Army post in Kansas" - Wikipedia
Why try to send him to Kansas when you can send him to beautiful Colorado and have him be a guest at USP Florence ADMAX or as everybody knows it " Supermax " !!!
What an original comment. People on the right complain about the loss of morality in the west when it comes to all the degenerate filth being pushed on children like transsexualism and all kinds of evil woke ideologies, yet they can’t see where they’ve lost morality themselves. Whether or not you believe in God, the west was founded on Christian morality and Christianity demands forgiving your enemies, and turning the other cheek and all that. But many parts of the right appear to be vengeful unforgiving and cruel, constantly demanding that any wrongdoer be given the maximum sentence or worse, and then taking joy in the idea that might be SAed in prison. In not saying all of this applies to you, but certainly some of it does
I wonder if that's the same betrayal the US people are feeling since their current president open the southern border allowing so many members of the Chinese communist party to enter the country unopposed🤔🤔 oh that's right no one's thinking of that are they
You pay for crimes in prison. Jail is where legally innocent people await trial if they can’t afford bail, or if the offence they’re accused of is murder or there are other circumstances that warrant being held presumptively. I know people serving up to a year, or in some cases longer, usually serve their time in jail but that’s just a quirk of the system
0:53 It seems to be you're less upset about him being caught as a Western traitor for the Communist Chinese military than you are about not being supported by the Australian government. The only remaining question I have for you, Mrs, were you aware your husband was a traitor? If not, then, did you ever stop and think to yourself, 'Whereas all is extra money coming from." Neither Australia nor America take highly to traitors.
And the lawyer is an idiot saying this isn't a crime under Aussie law. We aren't talking about Aussie law hence the extradition. Does he understand what extradition means?
@@Anon54387that’s not true. The offence has to be a crime not just in the extraditing country but in the rendering country as well. So, the UK wouldn’t be able to extradite someone from Germany for consensual adult in’cest because, even though it’s objectively sick, and an indictable offence in the UK, it’s totally legal in Germany. (Make of that what you will.) Likewise, Uganda couldn’t extradite someone from the UK for gay things as it isn’t a crime in the UK. (Quite why the UK has an extradition treaty with Uganda is somewhat worrying, but I suppose African SAers can’t just high tail it to Uganda to escape justice which is obviously a good thing. That being said, if the person in question was accused of SAing their wife, then Uganda could refuse to render the offender to the UK as SAIng your wife is totally permitted in Uganda. Basically, the crime has to actually be a crime in both countries. The amount of people who feel free to comment and put out misinformation without thinking twice is really worrying
The law is indeed the law, and it’s a basic feature of pretty much any (if not all) extradition treaties that an offence must be a crime in both the extraditing nation and the (potential) rendering country. (Obviously American allies have been known to engage in so-called “extraordinary rendition” but that is extrajudicial and illegal. If America’s extradition request goes through, this will be another extraordinary rendition but in broad daylight and in plain view. You appear to claim to believe in due process “the law is the law” but you’re willing to forget due process when your own sense of right and wrong says otherwise. When you think about it, it’s extraordinarily arrogant of you
He still has to face court in USA it's up to that court to decide his guilt or innocence. On the face of it he is a bloke who set out to make money at the expense of loyalty to his country
He was chasing the dollar. Australia never let him and his family down as his wife is claiming. Sleep with the enemy and you might just catch something
@ I don’t like it when women betray their husbands, even when their husbands are evil, they picked them, and they should rectify the situation with grace.
One young soldier in the Civil War got hauled in front of General Lee for breaking regulations. Noting how scared he looked, Lee gently said: "Calm down, son. You'll get justice here." To which the shaking soldier said: "That's what I'm afraid of, General!"
worse he specifically renounced his citizenship to take advantage of the Australian loophole allowing this as well as not having to pay US taxes on the ill gotten gains. He seems like a rogue. 11 out of 10 military aviaors in his background do the full 20 years, retire then get a job at a major airline and make $300K a year on top of the military pension and benefits.
@@hanktraynor4423actually most of them do. Have you forgotten Capt Chesley (Scully) Sullenberger landing US Airways Flight 1549 (an airbus A320) on the Hudson River in 2009?
@@hanktraynor4423 You don't do both at the same time. After you separate from the military after a 20 year stint you get a job with the airlines. Sure it probably would be a boring transition but the money is good and the hours are far more predictable. Some people can't wait that long and leave the military early and forgo some retirement benefits but they more than make up for it as they accumulate seniority at an airline.
@@hanktraynor4423 I highly doubt you have a clue what you're talking about. Many fighter pilots wish to keep flying in some form and a respected well paid career at an airline is perfect for them. Just look at any pilot profile on Mentour Pilot and you'll see just how common this is the case.
Well considering that the pattern of facts is that he specifically renounced his US citizenship so he could make money being a traitor I would be perfectly fine for him to rot in prison for life. The irony is he did this for only $60K. I am sure he tried to do more "training sessions" but the heat got turned on. I thought he would have just moved to Australia for the free healthcare but apparently not. This should be a crime in Australia but I guess the Australian military does not really have any special capability that China is interested in. If anything this will bankrupt him even if he does not spend any time in prison which is the ultimate punishment for someone who will sell out his country in such an obvious and blatant way for only $60K. On the bright side he can get his receding hairline treated for free in prison. He can even have his gender reassigned if he feels that is necessary. Thanks Joe and Kamala. If the Australians remember the Japanese tried to invade. The Chinese have already taken over your country economically wait until they take over the country physically and militarily. I am not sure if you want your allies training China in how to be more effective from a military standpoint.
Just a fun fact, the Chinese tried to approach former RAAF fighter pilots who all told them no. So they went for Duggan instead... guess us Aussies know who the enemy is better than your guys after all he was one of yours before he turned traitor. He just tried to hide out here from you guys and that didn't work out for him now did it.
@@atatterson6992 when it comes to knowing who the enemy is... kinda obvious. Your man got caught betraying your country and mine and none of the RAAF pilots who were approached betrayed us, they instead reprted it to our leadership. If you guys don't like the return fire then maybe you should invest your energy into getting your lot not to start sh!t in the first place with that USA is better than Aus nonsense.
@@atatterson6992 when one of your lot talks smack about my country, expect a similar reply. Do I really think Aus is better than the US, nope just different but with similar problems.
Nah people only get the Epstein treatment if they have evidence and testimony that threatens the rich, politicians, ceo's, and celebrities. That's how you suddenly become Epsteined in jail. I'm just waiting for Diddy to be Espsteined. He has WAY more dirt under his nails on allot more people it seems. -
meanwhile, the Australian government has been training Chinese Government IT specialists, in how to detect and prevent hackers accessing there networks, The Australian Government has learn these skills from the constant IT Network attacks, from the Chinese Government.
Meanwhile the current US president has allowed members of the Chinese communist party to walk across the Southern border an opposed!! So what exactly is your point?? And if you do have one what do you suggest they do with this traitor JB??
As a USMC Officer, he swore an oath. That oath is legally binding. Your duty to uphold it doesn't end when you leave the service. He broke US law and must be tried for it. This has nothing to do with Aussie law.
The President of United States swears an oath on taking office and he is the Commander in Chief. I dont see him being taken to account either of them...
We have an extradition treaty with the US, you can't pick and choose criminality. Let the justice system takes its rightful path. I am confident if he is innocent then his peers will find him not guilty.
As a veteran of the US military, he is still subject to the UCMJ when it comes to secret information he had access to while active duty. If he shared tactics or other information that are still considered secret, then he should go to prison.
Well he was a pilot so education wise no. He is definitely not stupid in that regard. Disloyal? Yes. Dishonorable? Yes Greedy? Yes I would say no to stupid. Many educated people have done things that could be called stupid. I know I have in my years. He did something stupid 100%. But to say he is stupid throws shade on everyone else that also worked for and achieved the status of fighter pilot. With all that said and coming from an American veteran I will just say: Yeah he's a Dipsh*t! And leave it at that lol.
Yeah, just tell the kids he was training a potential adversary if true. If that's not a crime in Australia, it should be. If he's an American citizen still he's theirs.
Just because the guy moved to Australia and married an Australian Woman and had a family there doesn’t mean he’s free to violate the laws of his home country and the Oath of the Military who put substantial resources into training him, the US Military is always going to consider him theirs. Now if he had done nothing with his skills after getting out of the military they wouldn’t have cared but if you use the skills they invested time and money into you to then turn around and “Train Our Adversaries” then you’re a fool and they’re definitely coming after you. Former Military can be reactivated for disciplinary reasons depending on the severity of the offense, it’s actually in the fine print of the contracts for Enlisted and Commissioned Personnel although it’s rarely used.
If any citizen, of any country with which Australia has an extradition treaty is guilty of committing a crime in their home country, that person is extradited without any fanfare. Recently, the Australian Government applied to have a man living in Italy extradited for a murder committed by him on Australian soil. He's charged with a crime in Australia and the Italian government/legal system has complied with Australian requests to have him sent here to face trial. If this guy is being charged with a crime, there's no reason he shouldn't be treated any differently.
Yeah, cos (as the other commenter alluded to) murder is a crime in Italy as well as Australia. You can’t just extradite people for an offence if it’s not a crime in their own country. The UK has an extradition treaty with Uganda, but we don’t extradite (technically it’s called rendering) people to Uganda for gay acts, because it’s not a crime in the UK. I find it so irritating but worse, worrying, that people are so quick to post opinions on matters they know nothing about, thereby spreading misinformation which other people believe, contributing to general ignorance. It’s totally irresponsible
Tr reason is a crime in Australia. So here you may differ on specifics in each country. But the point is to extradite and let that country deal with their own specifics.
Believe it or not, you can never renounced your US citizenship. You can, but the US government will never recognize that for their purposes. It is a law. Good luck trying.
No, I don't think so. Its my belief the Aussies in general think as most of us do that Duggan has shared state secrets/skills and should be held accountable. His wife seems to think treason is ok and as long as her check cashes the lawyer will agree.
If this ex-American USMC Fighter Pilot was training Red Chinese Fighter Pilots to land on their aircraft carriers, this guy is an American traitor! He needs to be brought back to the USA for trial. 🤔😔😤
The best part is i saw somewhere he said he didnt know it was the chinese military lol Id love to see one non military functioning carrier like seriously you're training them to land on a carrier in china who the fuck wouldnt know its for the chinese military.
This American, if he actually trained CCP military pilots violating perhaps a sharing clause or something, I say put him away for making the world a more dangerous place! I assume he became an Australian citizen to avoid the consequences. In this case, an American betrayed his country to an enemy.
Australia did not set out to train foreign governments pilots hostile to us, the American marine pilot did. Duggan was an American citizen at the time he trained the Chinese pilots.
"Failed to protect..." But question is did he train the Chinese? He for sure knew he was prohibited from doing that, leveraging his training by the U.S. military to help the ideological enemy. Another tragedy in the making.
@@Berserker978 yes, they are our important trading partners and friends. We provide them with all our natural resources and lobsters 🦞 and in return they provide us with Ali express products and infectious diseases
He failed to get an export license. U.S. companies and nationals will need to apply for a special license - with a “presumption of denial” - before doing any business with China’s Global Training Solutions and Smartech Future, South Africa’s Grace Air and the United Kingdom’s Livingston Aerospace.
The man around the 3 minute mark stating it wasnt considered a crime in Australia until recently. Well the fact he was never an Australian pilot makes no difference in his case as he was teaching American military movements and technical maneuvers to the chinese. Play the worlds smallest violin louder gor sympathy as its being drowned out by his bs.
The media is so clueless. They are talking about how bad it is he's being extradited and everyone in the comments is talking about how terrible he is for training the enemy.
Wow! It’s shocking that an American pilot would train an adversary force, and only for $100k!! The question is, did he train the Chinese on defeating American tactics? That would be a whole different level of betrayal. I’m not sure what the punishment should be, but if there’s none, what’s to stop others from doing the same?
We have them in our government after election interference. Trudy is ok with that, so why not prosecute them. 2 tier justice rules in Canada and Australia.
As an American citizen, millions of my tax dollars went to teach this guy to fly a state of the art fighter jet. I didn't pay for this guy to sell those secrets to our enemies!
If the pilot was a member of the DEI squad they wouldn't be prosecuting him. Doing it because they are racists. I can also throw around racism for any reason.
Simple: Tell the children that their father is a traitor to his country, who put his brothers-in-arms at risk by sharing American military information. Let them know there is no place on Earth where he can hide.
Training the enemy and possibly revealing U.S secrets on U.S. weapons, equipment, planes and even tactics. The guy 100% knew better and he said screw it. All for $$$.
Tough, if he is guilty, then he and his family will suffer the consequences. If he is in fact innocent, great, he goes back to Australia. So what’s the problem here?
@ are we getting the full story? Apparently, sources say he was in an Africa nation as a basic flight instructor. What about all the weapons and facilitation afforded by the U.S. to many nations causing mayhem and war?
He knew he was in violation. You don't become a U.S. fighter pilot and not have that knowledge. He like many criminals was counting on NOT getting caught.
Can we send NZ admirals to train their Navy?
😂😂😂😂
@Scrubbull23. Brilliant idea .
Even better New Zealand can send a certain ships captain to teach them how to sink their ships without firing a shot
😂😂 only if they drive Subaru Foresters
@@ruanniemann1678 Pink MG Midgets would be more the thing...
All for $100,000? Damn, China doesn't pay that well for betraying your country.
The juice was definitely not worth the squeeze.
I was thinking that too. Maybe he was good at laundering and hiding the rest.
All our congressmen and women are for sale. Senators too!
China must be raking it in.
@randomaccount53793 I'm surprised anyone would portray their country at all, let alone for such little $.
If he did it as a private citizen, oh well. It's immoral to train China in squat. But hey saw a opportunity to fund his family using skills he had. Anyone blame him for acting like any capitalist of a higher wage bracket? We have rich scum skirting bans on tech and research (some dangerous to upgrade their military) for far more money than this, and society tirns a blind eye.
That is tax free. 😂 so double that.
This bloke is full of it. Most military procedures are considered secrets and even in Australia it is a crime to give state secrets to a foreign nation.
Yet the US president arms a whole Army when he cowardly evacuated from Afghanistan!!
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@@beauzo9965That was interesting until he said genocide in Gaza, which makes me question his accuracy. Anyway, thanks for the link.
The issue is providing justice and due pricess - the crimes are only alleged, with no specificity or evidence. This treatment is uncivilized and very fishy.
@@SpeedyCM what’s the crime of arming a terrorist organisation??
I was in the US military 50 years ago and I would STILL ask permission before training adversaries. It just isn't done.
He knew but didn't care. It reminds me of the old saying: "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"
@mikesmith
-po8nd
He knew but didn't care.
How the Fk would you know. You don't even know what sort of Planes he was instructing on. It could of been a Crop Duster.
Knobhead
These talking heads are on the traitor's side? Get bent!
Look into the whole story, he's a scapegoat.
@@mikesmith-po8nd This man trained pilots in fixed wing single engine aircraft. Location South Africa along side 6 other ex US Air force pilots. There has been no proof that any Chinese nationals were amongst those trained. This man has never broken any Australian laws. This man is a Nationalized Australian just like anther 70% who reside in Australia NOW. Extradition laws state to be relocated to USA the person must be charged in both Countries. This man has been imprisoned in Australia for 2 years unlawfully with no charges . Also please note President Biden has just pardoned his son and this man is to be made a scape goat for no reason.
This pilot sold out his country and deserves no mercy. Stop bringing up his family as if having kids should be a get out of jail free card.
He sold out the U.S. and Australia.
Joe Biden: "No one is above the law."
Hunter Biben: " Hold my beer dad."
@@nav1269 , Sure did. Remember when treason carried an automatic death sentence? This is nothing short of espionage.
Are we at war with China? You're a fruit loop.
And putting his wife on to defend him. She's either complicit or totally snowed by him. What he did is insanely illegal, no way around that.
Expalin to the kids that dad was helping an enemy of both mum and dads countries. They will understand
Enemy please they have sold the country anyway.
An "enemy" that we import their goods into Australia making up the bulk of our products available to purchase here. Yeah right, an enemy.
Yeah he also sold weapons of mass destruction to Iraq. Idiots will believe anything...
They still won't understand but at least they'll know why.
Australia sucks Chinese dicks China owns half of Australia lmao I Agee China is the the Emnemy but our govement have bent over and took it like a slut for years.
Tell them their father was training the enemy ! Almost considered a traitor ! He knew better
Their only the Enemy if you're at War.
@@Berserker978 Apparently you've never heard of a cold war.
Are you telling me that you have never purchased anything from China?
@@Berserker978Not true. That aside, aiding a country that’s in an unfriendly relationship with that of whose secrets and tactics you’re sharing, is sedition at the least, and treason at the most. THAT aside, it doesn’t matter if he was training Australia, UK, or China, he was divulging tactics, procedures, and information that’s closely kept in house, without permission. There are laws about this. A lot of them.
Our government training more hostile personnel.
Hes American and sold out his country. Becoming Australian citizenship and marrying Australian citizens isn't a get out of jail card. He broke his oth that threatened both US and Australia national security
Depends on todays agenda.
@@ganatas9597he fucked around and now finding out
Ah... thanks for clearing that up. The Australian citizenship had me confused.
What does boot taste like!?
@briand7946 please, enlighten us, comrade.
I looked further into this story and I believe the USA and Australia made the correct decision on this one, Dugan is no innocent boy scout.
There are many politicians you voted for guilty of the same thing ...
@@FrancisBrown-v8x Maybe so, but that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this traitor. Yours is a typical tactic of a person that has no good argument or even a working brain.
@@FrancisBrown-v8x Name one politician who has trained Chinese military pilots. We'll wait.
@@FrancisBrown-v8xyou’re absolutely right about
@@FrancisBrown-v8xand they should pay for that. 2 wrongs don't make 1 right.
He chose to train the chinese pilots for money,no one forced him to do it.
Says who?
The ones OWNED by the CCP.
Wake up.
The act of training it self is not wrong. What the Chinese want is the tactic the west especially the use using. What is wrong is he exposing the tactic( limitations /advantages of us jets)to Chinese so this will/could have cause a big problem for us pilots. Never tell your “ enemy” about your war strategy.
Please explain to me what duty the Aussie government has to protect the family of a criminal from having that criminal sent to jail? Is she just saying words? Just making nonsense up?
He was training pilots from a country who is hostile to not only his own but to many others and who would use that training against us if given the opportunity ... he is a traitor and doesn’t deserve sympathy.
Exactly
Irony. Also a country that we flood with trillions of US dollars in exchange for cheap labor, billions for a few elite, and campaign and lobbying contributions.
Also the country that makes all our defense tech, or most of it.
Also the country that buys bonds and helps the politicians bail out our criminal overspending. To the tune of trillions and trillions.
This makes us hypocrites and if Washington cared about our security the world wouldn't look the way it does
that's only if you accept the US version of events... and on current form... I don't believe any allegation the US makes right now.
Where is your proof to these claims?
Have you seen the evidence first hand or listening to what others are saying?
100%
If he's innocent and honorable then he should want to clear his name.
Also: I would say that this is nothing compared to the Bidens' Family and Administrations' actions/crimes
Yeah Joe will probably pardon him now because Joe's a "witch".
It’s every politician( ex politicians and the new president trump).
@robertshaver4432 He's been in a maximum security prison in Australia for over 400 days without charges, the government took all his and his wife's assets, properties so it basically impossible for any legal defence.
@@briananderson7285like a Canadian trucker
@gregmoessner3104 Yes at the wim of authority.
Um Yeah. I have missile batteries going in my area because of China's aggression in the Western Philippine Sea. The Australian navy has had it's share of problems with China. Mr. Duggan is on the wrong-side of US, Australian, and most Asian countries to say the least. Mr. Duggan was an a former US officer which means that he can be recalled to active duty and is subject to the UCMJ. Mr. Kolomeitz is a silly lawyer full of sheep dip.
Everyone has the right to a defence, the lawyer is just doing the best he can.
The military will recall him to active duty, then court martial him.
Why are USA putting nuclear missiles all around China to stop them trading,
Exactly like they embargoed rising power Japan, forcing them to war, then leaving them under an army of occupation ever since, same as Germany and Korea 🤷♂️
"former Marine"
if he considers himself a former Marine, then he never took being a Marine seriously.
And the security clearance documents he signed have no expiration date. If he was violating that, then he was committing espionage or treason.
This guy was in the US Marines, he knew better. If he wanted to fly jets, there were other options.
Teaching a nation that threatens others to fly and fight like their potential adversaries is traitorous.
The American people paid a lot of tax dollars to train this guy and gain the experience he has.
Selling out to China is disgusting.
Wow so what do you reckon the punishment should be for arming a whole terrorist Army??
@MFFMPN doesn't matter, Marines are a band of brothers. You don't sell out and bring potential harm to your brothers.
Marines are a tight knit group that only those that stood on the yellow foot steps would understand.
We don't like traitors.
@@MichaelKoronka you mean like your current president?? What did you do about that traitor?? Nothing!!
@@MFFMPN
Unfortunately he's protected by (if nothing else) the fear of setting up precedents of going after past Presidents. It didn't stop them from going after Trump, but frankly I'm concerned that Trump will try to be too "honorable" in that regard for either his or the country's good. Frankly Biden and his family are criminals, and there is evidence in that regard. Just because he's fallen into senility is no excuse.
@@MFFMPN Wait and see. Since Joe pardoned his son, his son can be compelled testify against him in court. Hunter can't plead the fifth because he can't be prosecuted for his previous crimes. But, and its a really BIG but, Hunter can be prosecuted for refusing to testify against his dad.
Thought he wouldn’t get caught. He has a reservation at Leavenworth Airbnb.
@@TDX3000 It's a military prison in USA
@@TDX3000 Selling your country out is weird. What @eugeniahobbs41 said is not.
@@TDX3000 "The United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB), colloquially known as Leavenworth, is a military correctional facility located on Fort Leavenworth, a United States Army post in Kansas" - Wikipedia
Why try to send him to Kansas when you can send him to beautiful Colorado and have him be a guest at USP Florence ADMAX or as everybody knows it " Supermax " !!!
Yeah right next to the current US president, you know the one who armed at the taliban' when he withdrew from Afghanistan
His wife is upset that he got caught.
To be fair, she was probably totally clueless, and is dealing with some feelings of betrayal.
What an original comment. People on the right complain about the loss of morality in the west when it comes to all the degenerate filth being pushed on children like transsexualism and all kinds of evil woke ideologies, yet they can’t see where they’ve lost morality themselves. Whether or not you believe in God, the west was founded on Christian morality and Christianity demands forgiving your enemies, and turning the other cheek and all that. But many parts of the right appear to be vengeful unforgiving and cruel, constantly demanding that any wrongdoer be given the maximum sentence or worse, and then taking joy in the idea that might be SAed in prison.
In not saying all of this applies to you, but certainly some of it does
I wonder if that's the same betrayal the US people are feeling since their current president open the southern border allowing so many members of the Chinese communist party to enter the country unopposed🤔🤔 oh that's right no one's thinking of that are they
@@Roonasaurnah, she urged him to do it for the cash.
@@Roonasaurclueless to the extra 100k showing up in her account ?
If he betrayed his country of birth, what was stopping him from doing the same here. No sympathy
Traitors should be punished, US can keep him there....
Just tell your children he is a traitor and will pay for his crimes in an American jail
You pay for crimes in prison. Jail is where legally innocent people await trial if they can’t afford bail, or if the offence they’re accused of is murder or there are other circumstances that warrant being held presumptively. I know people serving up to a year, or in some cases longer, usually serve their time in jail but that’s just a quirk of the system
0:53 It seems to be you're less upset about him being caught as a Western traitor for the Communist Chinese military than you are about not being supported by the Australian government. The only remaining question I have for you, Mrs, were you aware your husband was a traitor? If not, then, did you ever stop and think to yourself, 'Whereas all is extra money coming from." Neither Australia nor America take highly to traitors.
And the lawyer is an idiot saying this isn't a crime under Aussie law. We aren't talking about Aussie law hence the extradition. Does he understand what extradition means?
Morally, if I can say this as a lawyer. He really said THAT. Speaks volumes.
We have a lot of traitors in parliament.
@@Anon54387that’s not true. The offence has to be a crime not just in the extraditing country but in the rendering country as well.
So, the UK wouldn’t be able to extradite someone from Germany for consensual adult in’cest because, even though it’s objectively sick, and an indictable offence in the UK, it’s totally legal in Germany. (Make of that what you will.)
Likewise, Uganda couldn’t extradite someone from the UK for gay things as it isn’t a crime in the UK. (Quite why the UK has an extradition treaty with Uganda is somewhat worrying, but I suppose African SAers can’t just high tail it to Uganda to escape justice which is obviously a good thing. That being said, if the person in question was accused of SAing their wife, then Uganda could refuse to render the offender to the UK as SAIng your wife is totally permitted in Uganda.
Basically, the crime has to actually be a crime in both countries. The amount of people who feel free to comment and put out misinformation without thinking twice is really worrying
@@Anon54387if you’re really a lawyer, your lack of knowledge of basic extradition law speaks volumes
Training CCP pilots. If true should be jailed. Same as AFP training CCP police.
Australian citizen or not, he has committed a crime against the US.
We have an extradition treaty with Austrailia. The law is the law. The guy decieved both our nations. He deserves punishment.
The alleged offence was not an offence in Australia at the time, which the treaty precludes.
Wasn’t aware that there had been a trial. You haven’t got a clue mate. Pure prejudice.
The law is indeed the law, and it’s a basic feature of pretty much any (if not all) extradition treaties that an offence must be a crime in both the extraditing nation and the (potential) rendering country. (Obviously American allies have been known to engage in so-called “extraordinary rendition” but that is extrajudicial and illegal.
If America’s extradition request goes through, this will be another extraordinary rendition but in broad daylight and in plain view.
You appear to claim to believe in due process “the law is the law” but you’re willing to forget due process when your own sense of right and wrong says otherwise. When you think about it, it’s extraordinarily arrogant of you
And what does your current president deserve for arming the taliban' when he cowardly withdrew from Afghanistan??
He still has to face court in USA it's up to that court to decide his guilt or innocence. On the face of it he is a bloke who set out to make money at the expense of loyalty to his country
He was chasing the dollar. Australia never let him and his family down as his wife is claiming. Sleep with the enemy and you might just catch something
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I agree. He thought he could hide in Australia but we have extradition treaties for a reason. Also, this hurts Australia as much as it hurts the US.
@@mikezappulla4092 you know nothing
His alleged crime WAS NOT A CRIME in Australia. Try to extradite an Israeli or American to Australia. You will be told off. As simple as that.
@@valeriys01- Treason is not a crime in Australia?
The wife married a traitor and is mad at the govt. talk about disconnect
Your poor husband deserves better
@@Cassander314- ??
@ I don’t like it when women betray their husbands, even when their husbands are evil, they picked them, and they should rectify the situation with grace.
@ if you, as an agent of a government, require a woman’s testimony about her husband, or seek it, you should be put in jail, by my codes.
@ the government should have a policy of not using women as informants; they’d do a better job that way, all the way around town.
One young soldier in the Civil War got hauled in front of General Lee for breaking regulations. Noting how scared he looked, Lee gently said: "Calm down, son. You'll get justice here." To which the shaking soldier said: "That's what I'm afraid of, General!"
It's called treason.
Good. He deserves to be extradited. But Australia has a more radical problem than some pilot
Really he deserves to be extradited does he?? then what does the current US president deserve for arming the taliban??
@@MFFMPNI don't know about the pilot, but unfortunately we can't extradite the current office holder.
I am thankful that they caught this guy so he can be tried in court in the US. If the evidence finds him guilty, let him serve time at Ft Leavenworth.
What a load of crap from the traitors lawyer.
$100,000 in Australia will buy you a new ute, that's about it.
A Chinese Ute maybe?
Two Chinese Utes
What's a ute?
@@richardm3023 SUV
@@richardm3023 a pick up
If he did this while he was an American citizen then I have no sympathy.
worse he specifically renounced his citizenship to take advantage of the Australian loophole allowing this as well as not having to pay US taxes on the ill gotten gains. He seems like a rogue. 11 out of 10 military aviaors in his background do the full 20 years, retire then get a job at a major airline and make $300K a year on top of the military pension and benefits.
@CoolHand273 If he was a fighter pilot, I highly doubt he'd have a career with an airline lol.
@@hanktraynor4423actually most of them do. Have you forgotten Capt Chesley (Scully) Sullenberger landing US Airways Flight 1549 (an airbus A320) on the Hudson River in 2009?
@@hanktraynor4423 You don't do both at the same time. After you separate from the military after a 20 year stint you get a job with the airlines. Sure it probably would be a boring transition but the money is good and the hours are far more predictable. Some people can't wait that long and leave the military early and forgo some retirement benefits but they more than make up for it as they accumulate seniority at an airline.
@@hanktraynor4423 I highly doubt you have a clue what you're talking about. Many fighter pilots wish to keep flying in some form and a respected well paid career at an airline is perfect for them. Just look at any pilot profile on Mentour Pilot and you'll see just how common this is the case.
Well considering that the pattern of facts is that he specifically renounced his US citizenship so he could make money being a traitor I would be perfectly fine for him to rot in prison for life. The irony is he did this for only $60K. I am sure he tried to do more "training sessions" but the heat got turned on. I thought he would have just moved to Australia for the free healthcare but apparently not.
This should be a crime in Australia but I guess the Australian military does not really have any special capability that China is interested in.
If anything this will bankrupt him even if he does not spend any time in prison which is the ultimate punishment for someone who will sell out his country in such an obvious and blatant way for only $60K.
On the bright side he can get his receding hairline treated for free in prison. He can even have his gender reassigned if he feels that is necessary. Thanks Joe and Kamala.
If the Australians remember the Japanese tried to invade. The Chinese have already taken over your country economically wait until they take over the country physically and militarily. I am not sure if you want your allies training China in how to be more effective from a military standpoint.
Just a fun fact, the Chinese tried to approach former RAAF fighter pilots who all told them no. So they went for Duggan instead... guess us Aussies know who the enemy is better than your guys after all he was one of yours before he turned traitor. He just tried to hide out here from you guys and that didn't work out for him now did it.
That’s a lot of assumptions you make
@@chrisrabbitt Really? Going for the AUS is better than US flex?
Ok dude.
@@atatterson6992 when it comes to knowing who the enemy is... kinda obvious. Your man got caught betraying your country and mine and none of the RAAF pilots who were approached betrayed us, they instead reprted it to our leadership.
If you guys don't like the return fire then maybe you should invest your energy into getting your lot not to start sh!t in the first place with that USA is better than Aus nonsense.
@@atatterson6992 when one of your lot talks smack about my country, expect a similar reply.
Do I really think Aus is better than the US, nope just different but with similar problems.
Treason to this degree if proven carries a heavy price he was fully aware of. Surprised they didn't Epstien him already.
then prove it in Australia... US won't extradite their citizens to Australia for prosecution... why would we do the reverse.
Nah people only get the Epstein treatment if they have evidence and testimony that threatens the rich, politicians, ceo's, and celebrities.
That's how you suddenly become Epsteined in jail. I'm just waiting for Diddy to be Espsteined. He has WAY more dirt under his nails on allot more people it seems. -
meanwhile, the Australian government has been training Chinese Government IT specialists, in how to detect and prevent hackers accessing there networks,
The Australian Government has learn these skills from the constant IT Network attacks, from the Chinese Government.
not to mention training the Indonesian Special Forces...
@@ksteinmullerIndonesia is an ally of the west so I don’t see your point.
@@benhart777 of course you don't see my point... because you actually think Indonesia is an ally of the West... it is not.
Meanwhile the current US president has allowed members of the Chinese communist party to walk across the Southern border an opposed!! So what exactly is your point?? And if you do have one what do you suggest they do with this traitor JB??
He did a NO NO and now he must pay the price.
If you want to explain to your kids why he’s in prison just show them the meaning of traitor in the dictionary.
Don't you love how they are hiding behind their Australian citizenship.
He should go to prison
Well being a traitor is pretty serious.
Don't assist adversaries. It's pretty simple.
As a USMC Officer, he swore an oath. That oath is legally binding. Your duty to uphold it doesn't end when you leave the service. He broke US law and must be tried for it. This has nothing to do with Aussie law.
The President of United States swears an oath on taking office and he is the Commander in Chief. I dont see him being taken to account either of them...
In days gone by he would have faced a very severe and warranted punishment.
Only 100,000?? Dummy got ripped, he deserves prosecution.
We have an extradition treaty with the US, you can't pick and choose criminality. Let the justice system takes its rightful path. I am confident if he is innocent then his peers will find him not guilty.
As a veteran of the US military, he is still subject to the UCMJ when it comes to secret information he had access to while active duty. If he shared tactics or other information that are still considered secret, then he should go to prison.
100.000 Dollars only? Is the guy stupid or what??
Well he was a pilot so education wise no. He is definitely not stupid in that regard.
Disloyal? Yes.
Dishonorable? Yes
Greedy? Yes
I would say no to stupid. Many educated people have done things that could be called stupid. I know I have in my years. He did something stupid 100%. But to say he is stupid throws shade on everyone else that also worked for and achieved the status of fighter pilot. With all that said and coming from an American veteran I will just say: Yeah he's a Dipsh*t! And leave it at that lol.
Trying to say treason isnt a crime in Australia?
Lmfao the amount of Treason that has occurred in Australia over the last 20+ years is astonishing
If true, he should be held accountable. This is a treasonous act.
Yeah, just tell the kids he was training a potential adversary if true. If that's not a crime in Australia, it should be. If he's an American citizen still he's theirs.
Yes it's a crime in Australia, it's called sedition.
Traitor is a traitor. Paid or given other things
Just because the guy moved to Australia and married an Australian Woman and had a family there doesn’t mean he’s free to violate the laws of his home country and the Oath of the Military who put substantial resources into training him, the US Military is always going to consider him theirs. Now if he had done nothing with his skills after getting out of the military they wouldn’t have cared but if you use the skills they invested time and money into you to then turn around and “Train Our Adversaries” then you’re a fool and they’re definitely coming after you. Former Military can be reactivated for disciplinary reasons depending on the severity of the offense, it’s actually in the fine print of the contracts for Enlisted and Commissioned Personnel although it’s rarely used.
Yep. Courts Martial and then Bye Bye. Good luck with those appeals - they will probably be ruled on when you are as old as Joe Biden.
Bloke was morally atrocious to train them in the first place.
If he did train the Chinese. He will have to pay the piper...
If any citizen, of any country with which Australia has an extradition treaty is guilty of committing a crime in their home country, that person is extradited without any fanfare. Recently, the Australian Government applied to have a man living in Italy extradited for a murder committed by him on Australian soil. He's charged with a crime in Australia and the Italian government/legal system has complied with Australian requests to have him sent here to face trial. If this guy is being charged with a crime, there's no reason he shouldn't be treated any differently.
It's called dual criminality
Look it up
Yeah, cos (as the other commenter alluded to) murder is a crime in Italy as well as Australia. You can’t just extradite people for an offence if it’s not a crime in their own country. The UK has an extradition treaty with Uganda, but we don’t extradite (technically it’s called rendering) people to Uganda for gay acts, because it’s not a crime in the UK.
I find it so irritating but worse, worrying, that people are so quick to post opinions on matters they know nothing about, thereby spreading misinformation which other people believe, contributing to general ignorance. It’s totally irresponsible
Tr reason is a crime in Australia. So here you may differ on specifics in each country. But the point is to extradite and let that country deal with their own specifics.
Wouldn’t be doing that for 100Gs.
The last question put to him should be......" do you want a blindfold?"
100%
“Australian” ?? Only on paper
40% of the people in Australia are Aussie by paper
Believe it or not, you can never renounced your US citizenship. You can, but the US government will never recognize that for their purposes. It is a law. Good luck trying.
If hes guilty then so be it.
"Though those that are betray'd Do feel the treason sharply, yet the traitor stands in worse case of woe"
William Shakespeare
I argued with him once online, and he's very pro CCP. Don't trust him that he's innocent. He knows what he's doing.
I love it how Australians seem to think treason is ok.
Yeah as a Real True Blue Australian.Death Penalty for Treason should be Mandatory.
No, I don't think so. Its my belief the Aussies in general think as most of us do that Duggan has shared state secrets/skills and should be held accountable.
His wife seems to think treason is ok and as long as her check cashes the lawyer will agree.
No, it’s just that they believe in due process unlike you it seems
Australians do not think treason is acceptable. If found guilty, then one of your countrymen does.
If this ex-American USMC Fighter Pilot was training Red Chinese Fighter Pilots to land on their aircraft carriers, this guy is an American traitor! He needs to be brought back to the USA for trial. 🤔😔😤
The best part is i saw somewhere he said he didnt know it was the chinese military lol Id love to see one non military functioning carrier like seriously you're training them to land on a carrier in china who the fuck wouldnt know its for the chinese military.
no sympathy.
He's denied the charges. Sounds too risky to do, so if he did do it he must be a total narcissist.
This American, if he actually trained CCP military pilots violating perhaps a sharing clause or something, I say put him away for making the world a more dangerous place!
I assume he became an Australian citizen to avoid the consequences. In this case, an American betrayed his country to an enemy.
The lawyer stuttering on his explanation tells me everything I need to know. And no one denied what he did.
Australia did not set out to train foreign governments pilots hostile to us, the American marine pilot did. Duggan was an American citizen at the time he trained the Chinese pilots.
"Failed to protect..." But question is did he train the Chinese? He for sure knew he was prohibited from doing that, leveraging his training by the U.S. military to help the ideological enemy. Another tragedy in the making.
Successful ALP governing 🇦🇺
Tell your children that no one is above the law !
No one except your Liblab uniparty masters & you shill bots who are allowed to break disinformation laws
Successful ALP governing is an oxymoron.😆
I'm now convinced that you don't know what SUCCESSFUL means.
@@Berserker978 yes, they are our important trading partners and friends. We provide them with all our natural resources and lobsters 🦞 and in return they provide us with Ali express products and infectious diseases
Except Police, Politicians and other assorted bottom feeders who are members of "The Club" !
WTH!! This man will have caused massive geopolitical military damage that will be irreparable.
This stinks BIG.
Explain that he was a traitor to his homeland 🤷♂️
If he hadn’t been released from his obligations to protect and defend the Constitution, then the US has every right to seek extradition.
The guy is traitor and needs to face the justice system. He new what he was doing was mortally wrong.
I am retired military and this traitor should be prosecuted.
He failed to get an export license. U.S. companies and nationals will need to apply for a special license - with a “presumption of denial” - before doing any business with China’s Global Training Solutions and Smartech Future, South Africa’s Grace Air and the United Kingdom’s Livingston Aerospace.
Traitor
Why not try just telling the truth for once in your sorry life.
The man around the 3 minute mark stating it wasnt considered a crime in Australia until recently. Well the fact he was never an Australian pilot makes no difference in his case as he was teaching American military movements and technical maneuvers to the chinese. Play the worlds smallest violin louder gor sympathy as its being drowned out by his bs.
What is wrong with you Sky News? You used to stand for values such as morality, patriotism, etc. The guy stands accused of aiding the enemy. WTF?
Agreed.
The media is so clueless. They are talking about how bad it is he's being extradited and everyone in the comments is talking about how terrible he is for training the enemy.
There is a lot more to this story.
Wow! It’s shocking that an American pilot would train an adversary force, and only for $100k!! The question is, did he train the Chinese on defeating American tactics? That would be a whole different level of betrayal. I’m not sure what the punishment should be, but if there’s none, what’s to stop others from doing the same?
The Canadian gov does the same thing??
We have them in our government after election interference. Trudy is ok with that, so why not prosecute them. 2 tier justice rules in Canada and Australia.
I served in the same unit as this traitor. He has dishonored himself, vma-214 and the United States Marine Corps.
What about the Anerican companies, banks, private equity firms, consultants, etc working in or doing business with the enemy China?
Doing "business" and divulging military secrets to a hostile government are not the same thing.
As an American citizen, millions of my tax dollars went to teach this guy to fly a state of the art fighter jet. I didn't pay for this guy to sell those secrets to our enemies!
Double agent. He pretended to train Chinese pilots but was really there stealing ultra top secret CCP Shih tzu soup recipes 🍜
Like Bobo on Get Smart, the spy ring is just a front, the real money is in the laundry.
If the pilot denies the charges, why does he not go to the US to prove his innocence?
If the pilot was a member of the DEI squad they wouldn't be prosecuting him. Doing it because they are racists. I can also throw around racism for any reason.
Simple: Tell the children that their father is a traitor to his country, who put his brothers-in-arms at risk by sharing American military information. Let them know there is no place on Earth where he can hide.
Blaming others for their choices, knowing the US and China relations. Surprised …
He trained the chinese pilots in 2012 when relations between US and China were good. You don't know any of the facts of this case.
@@benjaminhunt6235 relations between the US and China have never been good. What planet do you live on?
@@CoolHand273 You watch too much sky news.
Training the enemy and possibly revealing U.S secrets on U.S. weapons, equipment, planes and even tactics. The guy 100% knew better and he said screw it. All for $$$.
Did he instruct the Chinese pilots?
yes all he claims is that it wasnt illegal.
“Pull this lever marked ‘EJECT’ to engage afterburners”
Tough, if he is guilty, then he and his family will suffer the consequences. If he is in fact innocent, great, he goes back to Australia. So what’s the problem here?
This gov has no morals
Does govt have morals?
wut
Someone selling military secrets to an adversary has no morals.
@ are we getting the full story?
Apparently, sources say he was in an Africa nation as a basic flight instructor.
What about all the weapons and facilitation afforded by the U.S. to many nations causing mayhem and war?
@@mh53jgovernments starting wars based on falsehoods I guess you might class as having morals?
He knew he was in violation. You don't become a U.S. fighter pilot and not have that knowledge. He like many criminals was counting on NOT getting caught.