Someone on r/Sardonicast just made me a mod. Guess I'll be adding post flair like I did with r/YMS. I don't even watch Sardonicast, so I'm not sure what else to do with it. Lol
@@Over-Boy42 I wanted to watch them in chronological order. But I need to watch the recommended movie first since they go into spoilers. I didn't get far though. I got bored of Dancer in the Dark and never bothered finishing it. Nowadays I watch Adam's streams for highlight content. I can't make highlights out of Sardonicast.
@@YMSHighlights Oh ya I get not doing sardonicast cilps for the channel, even as someone who has next to no editing experience I know it's a pain. However if you like Adam's content, especially if you also like Ralph's and Alex's, then you should check more of it out. I don't recommend watching them chronologically (I don't) but surely you must have a least one of the 75+ movies they have done since Dancer in the dark. You do you though.
When I first subscribed I thought the outro was so funny because I thought Adum just had a clip of some random dude reading a list of patreon subscribers as some sort of bizarre joke >_>
@@Over-Boy42 They discuss 1-3 movies in one episode. I don't own literally all of them. And I want to spend my time on other things. I have work, I have video games I haven't played, I have to watch Adam's streams of FromSoftware games, I have to spend time with my family, I have movies to watch, and I need to use my time to watch other TH-camrs like Internet Historian. I don't have time for Sardonicast. Especially since Adam's streams can be super long.
I disagree with Adam's opinions/assessments constantly. But I know he's never been disingenuous, and that's why I like his content. Whether or not I agree with him, I know he's being honest with his opinions, and while I think he can be extremely nitpicky constantly, that's how he consumes and enjoys media. It's one of the reasons I really love the podcast, because Adam, Ralph, and Alex all have their own ways of understanding and consuming media and their perspectives are super interesting and fun to listen to. If you're only interested in listening to someone who agrees with you that's totally fine, but don't get mad when someone doesn't over something this small and insignificant.
Yeah exactly. That's why I love adam content too. I mean there's are things I disagree with him on. But adam has always been consistent. Now this might sound petty but thats why I don't like cosmonaut variety hour
@@xblade149 I try to keep it on a case by case basis. I love Cosmonaut, but there are definitely one or two reviews where a lot of criticisms come off as dishonest. I also feel that way about Chris Stuckmann's Halloween 3 review and HiTop's Far From Home review but they're still really consistent in mostly everything else they put out. Now take something like CinemaSins and that's a different story.
People seek outrage. Look at the last review I did - people want to be mad even when they aren't targeted specifically. "You could just as easily watch a video that conforms to and validates your opinion, but No. You gotta piss and moan because you're personally affected...by some asshole's opinion...ON THE INTERNET."
"Reddit is the worst place on the internet. Every time I go on there I get angry. Every fucking time I go there I get mad." - Zach "psychicpebbles" Hadel, telling it like it is
@@happysofttm3375 "I was... watching... various places and I saw Linkara, the great Linkara. He did, he did Atop the Fourth Wall and he talked about, he talked about the famous Power Rangers rant, right? And he said, it'll be out when it's out. And we like that, it'll be out when it's out. But great work ethic." - Donald Trump
@@swansonjoe7121 it reminds me of the time he admitted he OD’d after his falling out with his old editor. He choked up for a second and that fucking broke me
Yeah, I won't deny that I tune out when he is talking about actions movies, superhero movies and videogames, but he is clear and structures his points are easy to follow and easy to understand.
I’d agree to a point. Adam says a lot of stuff so you can’t be 10/10 with everything. At least he tries, most of the time, to correct himself when he makes a mistake which is what I think he could do better since he has such a large audience.
I rarely agree with him when it comes to movies but I have so much respect for him when it comes to his opinions on real-life events and controversies. He's rarely ever wrong
It's just old fashioned internet. Trolls trolling trolls. Or insecure people who simply want to delegitimize someone for the petty reason of a perceived attack on something they like. It doesn't help that malicious pleasure one can receive from being kind of a dick doesn't require you to follow logic. These aren't legitimate criticisms and it sucks seeing Adum take them as such. It's better for ones mental health of one gives these things as much thought as the commenter themselves; i.e very little. Adum is an intelligent and well reasoned critic. He's obviously good at being introspective and understanding his own feelings and where they come from. These people are not being introspective at all. They don't care where their annoyance comes from. They just know they are annoyed. And making that annoyance someone else's fault helps them feel better. It's the Principal Skinner meme: "Could it be that I'm insecure to the point of not being able to hear criticisms about things I like? No, it's Adum that's the problem"
@@garpbean627 Just some fucking TH-cam dramas, or some content creator that deviate WAY too much into their shitty politics, or toxic fans in the comments. Again, the less you get involved in all that parasocial bullshit, the better.
I doubt it because all three of them are heavily opinionated love movies and love the art of filmmaking they enjoy aspects most people might not say they really enjoyed in a movie and all three made me understand what makes a good movie and why I like certain movies over others
"The guy pulls out a gun to shoot a guy with a sword" feels like the natural evolution of the scene where the bad guy shows off. Like its a joke that multiple people could come up with independently
You never know though, there is a reason why we have the expression "low hanging ideas," but there's also a reason why we have the expression "obvious in hindsight." For some reason people tend to assume that everything is easy until proven otherwise, no idea seems hard to understand after you understand it.
@@pentelegomenon1175 its using the action trope to make a joke, it would be like shooting the bad guy during their monologue. It would have been done eventually
This subreddit is genuinely one of the main reasons I stopped using reddit. Hardly anybody there understands any points Adam, Alex, or Ralph make about so many movies, so they all just yell at each other about what’s better and what’s worse or who’s better and who’s worse. So fucking bad.
None of this is surprising if you spend any time on any kind of fan subreddit. I don't use reddit anymore for the same reason, it's all bottom-tier fans who have the lowest understanding of whatever they're talking about.
@Alopekis That’s the best summary of Reddit I’ve ever read. Like dude, if you check the post histories of some of those mad redditors, you can see how they just seem to search for keywords to seek out places to argue. They don’t even care about the subject at hand, they’re just looking for a fight.
I don't think it's so much that they need big brains to get them, I in fact often found their arguments too simplistic to think much. I think most people that attack people like that generally have a very unhealthy relation ship with criticism in general: i.e.: they hear criticism: they see an ENEMY!.
Actual Reddit moment. People are bad faith en masse and I swear it feels like gaslighting when people's reactions are so consistently uncharitable and illogical that you start to doubt your own judgment.
It's not even just reddit this happens. It happens a lot on Twitter to. People just interpreting you in the most uncharitable way possible and willfully misinterpreting what you are saying.
@@Scabloonshki yeah it happens everywhere. Insta comments are also terrible. People just say whatever to aggravate others and start problems cause they have nothing better to do I guess...
I feel bad that he thinks 2/3 of the audience hates him. I feel it's probably a loud minority on reddit. A lot of the listeners don't even visit the reddit page. Between the 50,000-100,000 people who listen to each episode, if you had to do a poll, I feel there would be more people who like Adam. I still get why it frusturates him though. It's part of the reason I stopped visiting the reddit page.
I like and dislike Adam for different reasons. I don't like how he's can be overly-critical. But he has a good standard and rates films fairly. He's also shown me to my favorite movies of all time. Waves, The Hunt, Whiplash, etc
Man I can't believe Adam said the Indiana Jones was the worst movie series he has ever seen. How he said it was worse than Garbage Pail Kids and how he said that from start to end don't stop playing the theme even to the credits.
“Oh man, it’s a film podcast where people share their opinions! I can’t wait to listen and hear other peoples opinions!” “Here is my opinion on this film” “:|” “>:|”
@@MisterDriskul The Snyder cut is one of the most embarrassing pieces of media I've ever seen - not neccessarily for its content (which is little more than an unwarranted, barely reasonable runtime and two minutes of cringey fanservive) but rather for the reaction it provoked and what it represents.
I actually appreciate that Adum expresses his frustration with this kinda bullshit. It's so infuriating when people almost deliberately misinterpret you on social media when all you were trying to do was share your thoughts.
I dont think it's as much deliberate misinterpretation as it is people with human brains making associations and filling in blanks and forgetting details over time. Adam seems to think every upvote is from someone already having the same exact opinion and upvoting for that reason. More likely is that people had no opinion, read the comment, and then retroactively half remembered some foggy combination of words from him and thought it made sense. Peoples own opinion can be pretty malleable unless they already had strong thoughts on what Adam was saying while they were listening to it.
Up until Ralph's review of the Joker it was a pretty wholesome place. Honestly it was just a matter of time until somebody's controversial opinion turned that subreddit into a warzone.
There's this weird thing we're people say the dumbest and most vitriolic shit directed at someone who's a public figure, then public figure responds in a manner that if it was any other random user they would engage them and reply, but if it's the public figure it's always like "you didn't have to respond like that you could have been nice about it" even when it's a totally reasonable response
Yeah lmao that's the crazy thing people can talk shit all they want but once the shoe is on the other foot the just wanna bitch and cry and act like you're the bad guy it's honestly pathetic
Reasons why Adam gets blasted on that subreddit (I believe) 1. Negative response bias. People are much more likely to comment if they disagree with someone rather than agree or otherwise. This tends to bring out a lot of the more toxic uncharitable side. I would bet the vast majority of people just listen to podcast and that's it. 2. The YMS review has historically always made criticism with fine tooth comb. It's no problem for things that people categorically consider awful (cyberbully, saw, other YMS classics), often lauded, but when you're talking about a widely acclaimed, popular film, people will just feel some type of way. I guess it can come off as "not liking the film just to be contrarian", which obviously is not the case, it can feel that way sometimes.
Adam I know you’ll probably never see this but I personally love you. You have seriously change my perspective on so many things and really taught me a lot. Thank you so much for being who you are.
The main problem isn't that they don't get your arguments. It's that they don't take arguments AT ALL. They see criticism: they see an ENEMY: and those people don't deserve your time because they are miserable so you have nothing to be jealous of their affection (because they have none (not even to their own self)).
@@narsheguard6417 This is actually true. Everyone is becoming more materialistic, more spiteful and narcissistic. Its just that on sites like Reddit and Twitter you'll find a MUCH greater concentration of such people. Blame postmodernism.
I really don't think 2/3rds of the sardonicast subreddit understand how to consume media criticism healthily. See, adam really loves discussing every little detail in a film, rather than overarching 'vibes'. This is not a bad thing. There are channels that already discuss vibes, adam fills his own niche. The problem is, because he likes to wax about details, he can sometimes make small things seem like they were a huge problem. But if you notice, when he hands out final scores, they are usually pretty fair. Ppl on the sardonicast subreddit cannot just take adam's presenting style into account. they see him critiquing a small detail in the movie and assume that he hates the movie. And most of them tie their favourite movies to their identity, so any critique is a personal insult. But this way of critique is adam's signature style. if don't like pizza, why are you at pizza hut?
I don’t think that that it’s a sardonicast problem, that is wider society of people not knowing how to consume media in a healthy way, it’s pretty depressing
This sums it up so perfectly. The way I consume media is fairly different than the way Adam does, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I FOLLOW HIM! BECAUSE HE GIVES HIS OWN PERSPECTIVE! Why even bother watching someone's reviews about media if you can't handle someone experiencing said media in a different way than your own? I despise these people.
I wonder if his brand "Your Movie Sucks Dot Org" is priming people's perception of him in this manner. Because I used to think that he was pretentious to some extent even though that isn't the case. We all know how people can be in the internet when you say their favorite thing has flaws or is bad in some aspect. Also, Reddit is filled with a lot of people that look for negativity. I no longer browse there because of it.
@@jakehate Guess that is fair. In any case I do think the majority of the issue spawns from Reddit as a whole these days does seem to foster people looking for negativity or manufacturing it in some capacity. A lot of subreddits I used to lurk became nothing but cesspits. As for why they target Adam is not certain in regards to the Podcast and topics at hand. I find the target of Reddit's ire is usually something you don't make a lot of sense in.
I think it's mostly Adam's voice. I fucking HATED his nasally, sure-of-himself inflection he put on every word, and wasn't able to listen to the actual substance of what he was saying. People underestimate how important the sound of your voice is.
@@leonkuwata4510 Not something you can control at least for your natural one. To me it's just how he sounds at this point but I could see how it could prime people into filtering his intent. Then layer on top of it the state that is Reddit right now and well...
Way, way back I had a negative impression of alex and adam's channels based entirely on their channel names. This was back when I was still watching Nostalgia Critic and thought the Chronicles of Riddick was a brilliant movie.
Every time I post a comment anywhere to partake in a conversation I feel like my heart is going to burst out from my chest out of irrational fear. I have a reddit account but have never used it because I think my nerves would give out - just reading the comments shown in the video makes my hands tremble, it must be terrible to be the one on the receiving end.
I think it comes from how bothered people are by a confident tone of opinion on YT and Reddit. I’ve seen a number of channels where the reviewer has a more stern/confident tone and people assume they’re shitting on anyone with a different opinion when really they’re just confident in their own opinion. At no point did Adam say half the shit they’re saying he is, and so many of the comments are along the lines of “oh he’s so smug/pretentious” when he’s just saying his damn opinion. I don’t know why people get so pissed about opinions. Maybe it’s because they’ve made that product too much of their identity
I’ve felt this. The way I type and the vocabulary I use has gotten some slack from people who I’ve just met “you type like a shrewd so you must think you’re better than us” and I’m just.... “no, this is how I type, I don’t care how you type as long as I can read and understand it”. People have a bad experience with somebody who’s a prick and associate some of those formalities with those assholes who do think using “big words” and “actual grammar” is some prestige thing or means they’re smart, and it might be the same with their view on Adam. Except with Adam it’s not one-on-one, I can just say “you’ve misinterpreted me”, talk to them more, and they’ll drop their viewpoint. Adam largely doesn’t have that option ;-;
As someone who used to be very toxic, I used to be hyper sensitive to criticism or even an opinion I didn't like if it was said in a stern tone, because it subconsciously reminded me of how my mom used to talk to me. I think having an oversensitive reaction to confidence is common because there's no infrastructure to properly address mental health issues (at least not in the US) and so you lash out on social media because those platforms are designed to start arguments to maximise engagement with the site.
I really hate the way every video on TH-cam with an opinion starts with a 5-minute reminder that everyone has different opinions and this isn't an insult etc. that I have to skip. I wish it wasn't necessary, but people just apparently can't tell the difference between opinions and shitting on someone on a personal level.
cat snake Yeah. Sorry about the person in your story tho ;-;. I don’t get many people remarking on how I type anymore, or how I talk, but it’s mainly because I’ve gotten better at relating to and easing people.
I never comment usually but love to listen to the sardonicast! 9/10 times i haven’t watched the movies, that might sound strange but i am just entertained by the discussions and jokes. I think that speaks to how much i appreciate you guys as hosts. All 3 of you!
Adam is just very very critical. That's his style! I've never seen him blindly praise anything, there's always something. And that's like... Okay. Cause nothing is perfect. But I guess some people can't accept that, or they feel attacked
IMO a lot of it has just become tired as the years go on. That kind of criticism was really fun in the 2007-2015 era of youtube, but now it's just the same thing a lot of TH-camrs do.
I mean that's an insanely vague metric lol. Separating "quality" from "entertainment value" is nonsense to me. I understand what people are trying to do when they say that but I personally find it wrongheaded. Trying to be "objective" about art. You can be somewhat objective about the quality of craft but using that to judge the experience of a film as a whole is useless for most people.
I remember when everyone would hate on IHE just cuz of his name. It never mattered how well spoken or well explained his opinions were there was always a loud crowd coming to the conclusion that "oh this guy hates everything screw him". I hope this doesn't eat up Adam just cuz a loud few don't like him/ don't understand where he is coming from
All his name is supposed to mean us he doesn't have a specific topic. He can talk about movies, video games, Mars bars, clothing brands, anything. That's it.
*{Timestamps}* Glad to be back 00:00 - Adam gives out thanks & assumes the best 00:45 - _BUT_ (Adam goes into the Sardonicast subreddit) 02:15 - nuancless N*zis (can’t even comment the actual word because whas buttfucked me before) 04:11 - Adam’s possible explanation for the toxicity 06:05 - another example of toxicity 08:26 - one more example of toxicity 10:18 - this is what Adam gets pissed off about 13:35 - Adam points out the good apples 14:00 - _BUT…_ 15:17 - Sardonicast subreddit can’t even catch up with itself 16:06 - Adam’s response (& also gives context) 22:47 - the response to Adam’s response 25:12 - Adam DOES want disagreements, _BUT…_ 28:12 - Adam’s experience vs everyone else’s 30:03 - Adam’s done 32:17 - the gaslighting (is it gaslighting?) 35:00 - Adam doesn’t know anymore 35:38 - the ones who don’t want Adam there are the ones given the most attention 36:49 - Adam needed to vent 37:43 - Credits Makes me wonder how this subreddit treats Ralph & Alex
If I have to take a guess, I would say that the subreddit considers Adam to be their least favorite person on Sardonicast, while Ralph and Alex are the fans' favorites.
I'd say if any of them left they'd just stop. They seem like pretty good friends outside of the podcast and I doubt they'd just ditch one of the members
@@Orgotheonemancult he says he goes through the subreddit for fanart since he’s in charge of getting those for the show, if that’s the case then it’s inevitable he’s gonna see at least a good number of comments
I often disagree with Adam and I think he's sometimes a bit too harsh on certain movies, but he's got something that most of YT "movie critics" don't have; technical knowledge and understanding of film in general. He's one of rare movie critics on YT that actually talks about cinematography, colors, use of lightning, camera work, acting, editing etc. Even if I disagree with them, his arguments are always strong and carry some kind of weight. But the thing that I admire about him is that despite him being one of more popular movie critics on YT, he never let his ego take the best of him. Yes, he can sometimes come across as grumpy and too cynical, but not to the point I found him unlikable. Like I said; I often disagree with him, but I still respect him, because he's a competent film critic.
There are those moments where I'll write a comment online and one person hastily misinterprets me, or "corrects" me by being wrong, and I have to decide whether it's worth my time to try to explain myself and show myself to be in the right, or to let it go. Not just for that person, but other people who might read our exchange later. If this happened where entire reddit threads were created with dozens of people agreeing with each other about how wrong and terrible I was (assuming for sake of argument that I wasn't actually wrong or terrible), that would be just awful. For the record: obviously there are times where I'm the one who's wrong, and it's important to scrutinise one's own convictions.
Adum is outspoken about the things he doesn't like even if they are popular, and we live in an era where you cannot have disagreement without one party being "wrong". That being said, I have had some amazing and friendly discussions in that sub
I think the problem is that they see Adum as a "public figure" or something since he is on a podcast and is semi-famous on TH-cam - so they believe they are punching upward and if Adum defends himself he is punching downward. It's like Adum constantly dogging on Jon Favreau, except his criticism of Jon Favreau is part of a much larger criticism of Disney remakes and artistic work in general.
This whole video I just couldn’t help but to think that he’s basically complaining about the entirety of Reddit. Tis a miserable place. Do yourself a favour Adam and avoid it. There’s nothing good that can come from interacting with people who seemingly hate you.
@@jordanstark5924 I mean more Reddit as whole, should just be avoided. But that’s good! If he’s already dealing with depression, in my experience Reddit doesn’t help with your mental health :p
He lost the moment he started reading reddit comments tbh, mostly bc adam and ralphs style of comunicating is kinda "agressive" sometimes and people take it as an attack instead of ok this guy just talks like this
The point you're missing is that most people view that gun gag in Indy as iconic and great. So when you say "I thought of this as a punk teenager" you're saying an all time great moment is something you can shit out as a kid. That's where they are finding arrogance. They are incorrect, but sheep mentality. Though it's something easily ironed out in nuanced conversation, that is not what reddit does. Chin up pal, these are lonely times.
@@nickrustyson8124 The target demographic definitely skews younger. Even the "darkest" movie Temple of Doom had a moment where "silly lady get splashed by elephant" was considered a legitimately good enough scene to make the audience (children) laugh. If it was meant for adults, or anyone over 10, that scene would not exist.
I stopped browsing reddit entirely, the main page or most popular posts are infuriatingly stupid not to mention the comments. And the subreddits i used to frequent fell into a downspiral of dumb toxicity that it wasnt even fun anymore to browse or even try to talk with people there, very much like twitter, after quitting it i felt a sudden weight lifted from my shoulders.
I can honestly relate a lot to what Adam is saying here. The amount of times I've had someone misconstrue, twist, or completely ignore a point I'm trying to make is ridiculous. Especially when he's had to deal with it for years and it's that much more amplified on the subreddit. I can definitely understand the frustration.
That's not true, the community all about identifying things is a real good bunch. Literally the only reason why I have a Reddit account really is just for the neat bug fellas to identify the bug I've encountered
Anyone remember that scene in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly where a bounty hunter confronts Tuco at gunpoint, giving him a badass speech and Tuco shoots him and says "If you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk." Raiders was far from the first or only movie to do the "bad guy tries to look cool and gets shot in the process" gag so for Adam to come up with that idea independently from Raiders is entirely possible.
Damn, this made me feel really bad for Adum. I haven't been watching his stuff lately or listening to the podcast, but I feel even worse now that I haven't been keeping up. I wish I could help support these three, because they are all great people. I hope you're feeling better now Adum, don't let these idiots get to you.
@@JOHNY0 it might be hyperbolic but still it’s like they can’t personally defend their arguments without looking weird for instance when Adam was talking about the sword and gun it’s such a trope in a lot of media to where yeah it’s not something so original in an idea and they did it fine but as a person who probably grew up watching Indieana Jones you probably want to say it’s the first time you saw it and it was awesome and nostalgic but again that argument may seem lame but it’s valid people shouldn’t be ashamed to say they like a movie because hey saw it as a kid I love Jurassic park because I saw it as a kid
It literally feels like a couple of people are just like "OMG, Adam said da dada dah!" because they have a beef with him and then a fuckload of people who don't even watch the podcast are just like "Oh my god, he said that? Wow, he sure says a lot of stuff on episodes I don't watch, apparently. Fuck this guy!" and then they just parrot the same false points and invalid arguments.
@@leonkuwata4510 Star Wars is weird because it's not just nostalgia, it's also that they pissed off the anti SJW crowd of alt-right weirdos who have no idea what they're talking about and then the actual new movies ended up being the most inconsistent crap ever. So we went from "This movie franchise is dead now because female MC and black characters" to "Oh wow, this movie is insane and it's a really mixed bag" to just "Wait, they're doing what?! Carrie Fisher is being digitally inserted for what now?! Isn't she fucking dead!?!?!" All on a franchise that already had huge loads of expectations for it because this is all following a major buyout that everyone was skeptical of which seems to have had no pre-planning done at all??? It's such a weird thing, I've never seen anything like it.
@@craydogdog1530 Yeah, I think I didn't express myself correctly. For the most part I just watch the films I want to watch not caring alot for people's opinions, sometimes I watch popular maintream movies to judge them by myself. But seeing the film community on TH-cam, Twitter, Facebook, etc, is cringe and bad that I don't want to be a part of it.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Fair enough. I still engage with people I disagree with when my emotions are stable enough to allow me debate or discuss. But for the most part, I try not to watch movies just to hear what others have to say though.
I HATE that feeling when someone is being so ridiculous to such a degree that you have a moment where you NEED to hear an outside opinion because you're like, "Wait is this as crazy as I THINK it is- or AM I crazy?" Because that feels like the only possible alternative.
I just wanna give Adam a hug, god damn. Especially through these stream highlights you see how much thought and care he puts into making sure the content creates is the truest expression of his honest opinion and supported by all the information that he has. Even if you disagree with him (which I do much of the time) you have to respect that. At least have the decency to argue/criticize him in good faith.
I love that they used the imdb trivia as proof when the imdb trivia says "right after Indiana escapes from Belloq and the African tribe." Even though the scene they're talking about is set in a Peruvian jungle.
Twitter actually has a similar phenomenon where someone will post a review online (typically about Zack Snyder's films), and if they get a fact wrong and\or interpret something differently, fans will post clips on Twitter with the caption "Well, we know that (insert youtuber here) is a *liar* now." It's incredibly disingenuous.
For me the sword scene is special mainly because of the context in which it exists; Harrison Ford had insane food poisoning and he didn't want to be there any more. The spontaneity of an improvised scene.
I'm not surprised at all redditors would intensely misinterpret Adam's points. Reddit often seems to promote a hivemind where immediate emotional reaction supersedes critical thinking.
Social media has become a giant hivemind because anyone smart enough to see through it or who isn't a depressed lunatic doesn't even contribute anymore, because they don't want to ruin their day looking at all the craziness going on.
Reddit is designed to promote the hive mind. If there is a popular opinion, even if only by a slim margin, those that don't share that opinion will be shouted down and downvoted by those who do. Soon the people that have the minority opinion just leave and the hive mind's echo chamber grows.
I’m sorry this is happening to you. You and Ralph are the two people that made me start to look at film critically and start to appreciate it and I hope you guys can work this all out somehow and find people who understand you.
Man, I just don't get how you can hate on Adam like that... He often makes the most interesting points on the cast and I find him very entertaining - in these highlights, on the podcast and on his main channel. He doesn't deserve any of this stuff
You know what this is? It's some people that already hate Adam, and want to talk shit, and they wait, they wait for a small mistake to call out, a drop of mistake, and they either close the video and goes and write their little piece, or maliciously see the entire thing but chooses to ignore it and spin it as Adam being wrong or whatever. Like, I feel bad about Adam man, it's like, just because people built an expectation of who you are, and hates you, not knowing who you are irl, just, hating an entire person they don't know about based on the idea of who he is, it's just shitty, it's shitty to Adam, and extremely borderline sad and immature, you really gotta have nothing going on your life to be like that.
The people making the logical leap that you were arrogant about the Indy gun gag were born after the internet was everywhere or just don’t remember not having access to information at the touch of a button. I’m not even 30 till next year and I remember discovering things that were common knowledge that I didn’t have the ability to search on the spot. It’s not uncommon to experience this. The people who don’t get that are the kind of people who say “Google it!” instead of explaining themselves, they’re the arrogant ones.
So sorry to hear adam is depressed. This sounds lame but I send you virtual hugs and good vibes. These are very hard times we are going through and Adam's videos as well as highlights make my day much better! You guys bring joy to so many people and I hope that you feel cheered up a bit to know that. Stay safe out there ❤
I think a lot of people's negative perception of Adam comes from his ratings (which they said in an early podcast episode are somewhat pointless anyway, if I recall). To them "5/10" means the movie is bad/the reviewer hated the movie, so any negative thing Adam brings up (no matter how minor) is seen as the culprit for the low score.
It makes me really sad to see Adam upset, there will always be people acting with bad faith on the internet. Even if I don’t always agree with his takes I do connect with him and really appreciate his hard work. Hang in there Adam!
You're not alone dude, look at the love you get from the majority of us. Please don't let the few who don't take the time to follow what you do, overshadow the people who care. Your content means a lot to many people myself included. I don't always agree with your scores / preferences but my respect for you is massive and you're an important person in TH-cam and in the lives of the people who support you.
I think there’s a lot more people who enjoy you and your content than you believe. I hope that this won’t lead to an end of Sardonicast. There’s so many movies I want to hear all of your three’s opinions on
Idk how they could’ve missed where Adam agreed with Ralph, I listen to the Podcast while at work and giving it half my attention, and I still didn’t miss it lol
Most of the "how do people-" and "they think-" questions can be simply answered: *people are often dumb and nasty and may have no real basis for their own negativity, so they just pretend and lie in order to demonize others* and that's an unfortunate truth.
I feel nuance conversation is dead when it comes to online media interactions. I see the same with EFAP and with this Adum Situation. A lot of people will misinterpret what people say because they don’t enjoy the media they like. I would also say in my opinion that people imbue a lot of their identities with the media they enjoy and love. I think the conversation we should be having is about how people view media and how it effects conversation in a very toxic way. I think this clip is a perfect example of not only how negative views of someone can effect critical analysis of what someone says, but also it shows how much people put a lot of emotional attention to the media they love.
I don't know why the subreddit was making a big deal about the gag like it was a 'once-in-a-lifetime' thing. It was just an average slap-stick gag. Also, it wasn't even written to be in the film until the day of filming in which that scene occurred, as Harrison Ford had dysentery that day and couldn't do the actual longer fight.
Holy shit I have 30,000 subscribers on a different channel that I run, and I’m going through the same shit right now with an atypical audience because I’m trying out a different style of video… And everything that Adam outlined i.e. the gaslighting, the gross mischaracterizations, and the “you can’t accept criticism“ argument when all I do is disagree with them is insane. Really needed this today lol.
I love Sardonicast. It’s actually how I found Adams channel. 2/3 of Reddit probably isn’t 2/3 of the audience but this shit would totally get to me. It drives me up the wall when this happens to me in person let alone with a whole ass subreddit.
As someone with autism, this is so relevant to me. I constantly feel like people read into what I say and try to pick it apart and assume things about me and what I’m saying that aren’t true. I feel constantly misunderstood by those around me because while I’m trying to make a point, I say exactly what I mean. But it feels like no matter how hard I try people will read into subtext that isn’t there. It makes me feel so alone. I’m glad you can at least understand the same struggle. I think one of the reasons I’m so drawn to your content is because of how upfront and grounded you are. It reminds me of how I try to be in my own life. You make me feel less crazy. Thank you
I feel like so much of online culture is like, "well if you disagree with me at all, you're just trash, crazy, fascist, tankie, etc." and it's helpful to remember that the people spamming that kind of shit are a vocal minority. Also a lot of them are young, like, really young.
We love you adam, you express you feelings as clear as possible. Some people really cant handle a different opion even when its expressed logically and simply.
@@KaneK1234 oh look its you. If you get overly annoyed at someone criticising a movie you adore/worship, then you need to get your life priorities straight. Cover up, your man-child is showing.
The other day, I read a post (not on this subreddit) about how a reviewer was "smug" and "why can't he just let people like what they like, and have their own opinions?" It was defending, of all things, Emily In Paris, and the reviewer was an actual Parisian, criticizing how the show portrays his own city! Okay, we all like stupid things occasionally. That's our right. It's also our right to criticize things which are too goddamn stupid. And I am NEVER going to stop doing that, anonymous person. If that ruins Emily In Paris for you, and therefore your life, that's just the way it has to be.
Someone on r/Sardonicast just made me a mod. Guess I'll be adding post flair like I did with r/YMS. I don't even watch Sardonicast, so I'm not sure what else to do with it. Lol
Why don't you watch Saronicast?
@@Over-Boy42 I wanted to watch them in chronological order. But I need to watch the recommended movie first since they go into spoilers.
I didn't get far though. I got bored of Dancer in the Dark and never bothered finishing it.
Nowadays I watch Adam's streams for highlight content. I can't make highlights out of Sardonicast.
@@YMSHighlights Oh ya I get not doing sardonicast cilps for the channel, even as someone who has next to no editing experience I know it's a pain. However if you like Adam's content, especially if you also like Ralph's and Alex's, then you should check more of it out. I don't recommend watching them chronologically (I don't) but surely you must have a least one of the 75+ movies they have done since Dancer in the dark. You do you though.
When I first subscribed I thought the outro was so funny because I thought Adum just had a clip of some random dude reading a list of patreon subscribers as some sort of bizarre joke >_>
@@Over-Boy42 They discuss 1-3 movies in one episode. I don't own literally all of them. And I want to spend my time on other things. I have work, I have video games I haven't played, I have to watch Adam's streams of FromSoftware games, I have to spend time with my family, I have movies to watch, and I need to use my time to watch other TH-camrs like Internet Historian. I don't have time for Sardonicast. Especially since Adam's streams can be super long.
I disagree with Adam's opinions/assessments constantly. But I know he's never been disingenuous, and that's why I like his content. Whether or not I agree with him, I know he's being honest with his opinions, and while I think he can be extremely nitpicky constantly, that's how he consumes and enjoys media.
It's one of the reasons I really love the podcast, because Adam, Ralph, and Alex all have their own ways of understanding and consuming media and their perspectives are super interesting and fun to listen to. If you're only interested in listening to someone who agrees with you that's totally fine, but don't get mad when someone doesn't over something this small and insignificant.
Yeah exactly. That's why I love adam content too. I mean there's are things I disagree with him on. But adam has always been consistent. Now this might sound petty but thats why I don't like cosmonaut variety hour
@@xblade149 I try to keep it on a case by case basis. I love Cosmonaut, but there are definitely one or two reviews where a lot of criticisms come off as dishonest. I also feel that way about Chris Stuckmann's Halloween 3 review and HiTop's Far From Home review but they're still really consistent in mostly everything else they put out.
Now take something like CinemaSins and that's a different story.
@@xblade149 how come?
People seek outrage. Look at the last review I did - people want to be mad even when they aren't targeted specifically. "You could just as easily watch a video that conforms to and validates your opinion, but No. You gotta piss and moan because you're personally affected...by some asshole's opinion...ON THE INTERNET."
Yeah if you ranked the 3 by potential disingenuity it would def be Ralph Alex Adam and Adam is a distant third
"Reddit is the worst place on the internet. Every time I go on there I get angry. Every fucking time I go there I get mad."
- Zach "psychicpebbles" Hadel, telling it like it is
Let's not forget Twitter!
"I dont like hilter I think he was a cool guy theres a difference"
-little goblin fellow
Exactly how I feel about Twitter.
This is exactly what twitter is.
@@happysofttm3375 "I was... watching... various places and I saw Linkara, the great Linkara. He did, he did Atop the Fourth Wall and he talked about, he talked about the famous Power Rangers rant, right? And he said, it'll be out when it's out. And we like that, it'll be out when it's out. But great work ethic."
- Donald Trump
Adam saying he "already felt alone, but now [he's] on another planet" hits like an armored car.
Adams usually really funny and able to laugh at himself, but when he gets real, he gets *real*
Yeah I can really realate to that. Makes me feel bad for him because I know how isolating it can be when you feel as if no one understands you.
@@swansonjoe7121 it reminds me of the time he admitted he OD’d after his falling out with his old editor. He choked up for a second and that fucking broke me
@@disgruntledcashier503 that hits close to home for me. Damn. I hope he’s okay
Hits like a plane propeller
I don't always agree with Adam, but I feel like he explains himself very well.
Yeah, I won't deny that I tune out when he is talking about actions movies, superhero movies and videogames, but he is clear and structures his points are easy to follow and easy to understand.
So well that hes almost incontrivertable
I’d agree to a point. Adam says a lot of stuff so you can’t be 10/10 with everything.
At least he tries, most of the time, to correct himself when he makes a mistake which is what I think he could do better since he has such a large audience.
I rarely agree with him when it comes to movies but I have so much respect for him when it comes to his opinions on real-life events and controversies. He's rarely ever wrong
That’s exactly how I feel
Using reddit for anything other than porn and hyper specific memes is a one way ticket to frustration
Any social media for that matter. The more I get into TH-cam the more depressed and angry I get.
It's just old fashioned internet. Trolls trolling trolls. Or insecure people who simply want to delegitimize someone for the petty reason of a perceived attack on something they like. It doesn't help that malicious pleasure one can receive from being kind of a dick doesn't require you to follow logic.
These aren't legitimate criticisms and it sucks seeing Adum take them as such. It's better for ones mental health of one gives these things as much thought as the commenter themselves; i.e very little.
Adum is an intelligent and well reasoned critic. He's obviously good at being introspective and understanding his own feelings and where they come from. These people are not being introspective at all. They don't care where their annoyance comes from. They just know they are annoyed. And making that annoyance someone else's fault helps them feel better.
It's the Principal Skinner meme:
"Could it be that I'm insecure to the point of not being able to hear criticisms about things I like?
No, it's Adum that's the problem"
@@garpbean627 Just some fucking TH-cam dramas, or some content creator that deviate WAY too much into their shitty politics, or toxic fans in the comments.
Again, the less you get involved in all that parasocial bullshit, the better.
@@fightthepowerman I liked the older internet better, insane people are easier to deal with than people on a power trip.
Haha
I like all three of your guy's content and I hope the toxicity of the community doesn't tear apart Sardonicast
I doubt it because all three of them are heavily opinionated love movies and love the art of filmmaking they enjoy aspects most people might not say they really enjoyed in a movie and all three made me understand what makes a good movie and why I like certain movies over others
Are they always like this or is it just Reddit?
@@gamemaster2311 Adum seemed legitimately frustrated
@@hubblebublumbubwub5215 wouldn't you be?
@@gamemaster2311 Not sure, I think he's overworked in general and he could very likely quit sardonicast if he doesn't feel appreciated
"The guy pulls out a gun to shoot a guy with a sword" feels like the natural evolution of the scene where the bad guy shows off. Like its a joke that multiple people could come up with independently
Fun fact: That scene was actually the result of scrapping a detailed fight scene because Harrison Ford was sick with dysentery and suggested it
@@TherealHK-47 I’m kinda surprised they didn’t mention that on the podcast because I thought it was a well known thing?
You never know though, there is a reason why we have the expression "low hanging ideas," but there's also a reason why we have the expression "obvious in hindsight." For some reason people tend to assume that everything is easy until proven otherwise, no idea seems hard to understand after you understand it.
Not only that people can evolve the joke and make something new out of it because it's a broad and open joke. You can do a lot with it.
@@pentelegomenon1175 its using the action trope to make a joke, it would be like shooting the bad guy during their monologue. It would have been done eventually
This subreddit is genuinely one of the main reasons I stopped using reddit. Hardly anybody there understands any points Adam, Alex, or Ralph make about so many movies, so they all just yell at each other about what’s better and what’s worse or who’s better and who’s worse. So fucking bad.
None of this is surprising if you spend any time on any kind of fan subreddit. I don't use reddit anymore for the same reason, it's all bottom-tier fans who have the lowest understanding of whatever they're talking about.
same. Ralph's subreddit is even worse
@Alopekis that sounds like twitter lol
@Alopekis That’s the best summary of Reddit I’ve ever read.
Like dude, if you check the post histories of some of those mad redditors, you can see how they just seem to search for keywords to seek out places to argue. They don’t even care about the subject at hand, they’re just looking for a fight.
I don't think it's so much that they need big brains to get them, I in fact often found their arguments too simplistic to think much. I think most people that attack people like that generally have a very unhealthy relation ship with criticism in general: i.e.: they hear criticism: they see an ENEMY!.
Actual Reddit moment. People are bad faith en masse and I swear it feels like gaslighting when people's reactions are so consistently uncharitable and illogical that you start to doubt your own judgment.
This is a fantastic summary of what it can feel like
@@christopherrapczynski204 I agree with everything except physical justice. A beating doesn’t magically make a dumbass stop being a dumbass
It's not even just reddit this happens. It happens a lot on Twitter to. People just interpreting you in the most uncharitable way possible and willfully misinterpreting what you are saying.
@@Scabloonshki yeah it happens everywhere. Insta comments are also terrible. People just say whatever to aggravate others and start problems cause they have nothing better to do I guess...
I feel bad that he thinks 2/3 of the audience hates him. I feel it's probably a loud minority on reddit. A lot of the listeners don't even visit the reddit page. Between the 50,000-100,000 people who listen to each episode, if you had to do a poll, I feel there would be more people who like Adam. I still get why it frusturates him though. It's part of the reason I stopped visiting the reddit page.
The yt comments for that episode had nothing of that on the top comments and it has way more upvotes
Adum is in a rly bad place rn :(
@@bleh-v8q honestly the YT comments are really directed at Ralph. Doesn’t make it particularly better, though.
@@bleh-v8q idk about a *really* bad place. Dude just seems stressed like he needs a weekend off to goof around and do whatever.
I like and dislike Adam for different reasons. I don't like how he's can be overly-critical. But he has a good standard and rates films fairly. He's also shown me to my favorite movies of all time. Waves, The Hunt, Whiplash, etc
I've been watching Adam's videos for several years, and I've never been on the Reddit page.
Man I can't believe Adam said the Indiana Jones was the worst movie series he has ever seen. How he said it was worse than Garbage Pail Kids and how he said that from start to end don't stop playing the theme even to the credits.
“Oh man, it’s a film podcast where people share their opinions! I can’t wait to listen and hear other peoples opinions!”
“Here is my opinion on this film”
“:|”
“>:|”
It will get worse with the Snyder Cut, I promise you that. They'll call Adum a DC or Snyder Hater for not liking the movie as much as they do.
I’ve never seen this meme done via text, and I love it. Wow.
@@MisterDriskul The Snyder cut is one of the most embarrassing pieces of media I've ever seen - not neccessarily for its content (which is little more than an unwarranted, barely reasonable runtime and two minutes of cringey fanservive) but rather for the reaction it provoked and what it represents.
@@janberkemeier7406 pretty much sums up my thoughts lol
@@janberkemeier7406 To each their own. I enjoyed it but I can respect that.
I actually appreciate that Adum expresses his frustration with this kinda bullshit. It's so infuriating when people almost deliberately misinterpret you on social media when all you were trying to do was share your thoughts.
Dude. Ever been to the GG subreddit? It's a God. Damn. Hellscape. Of that shit.
His thoughts are stupid lol
I dont think it's as much deliberate misinterpretation as it is people with human brains making associations and filling in blanks and forgetting details over time.
Adam seems to think every upvote is from someone already having the same exact opinion and upvoting for that reason. More likely is that people had no opinion, read the comment, and then retroactively half remembered some foggy combination of words from him and thought it made sense. Peoples own opinion can be pretty malleable unless they already had strong thoughts on what Adam was saying while they were listening to it.
@@Tamacat388 You're probably right
I'll make the timestamps later. I forgot about them and I'm a little busy right now.
Damn...slacking
Take your time, My guy 👍
Take ur time, xing
How dare you be busy. Put everything down and put the timestamps in this totally free content.
Oops
Up until Ralph's review of the Joker it was a pretty wholesome place. Honestly it was just a matter of time until somebody's controversial opinion turned that subreddit into a warzone.
But was that guy supposed to be Alfred?
@@davistoa don bless, my brother
@@davistoa Arthur didn't even do anything to deserve being punched except choke the guy's butler!!
@@leonkuwata4510 how dare thomas wayne get mad a strange creep put his hands on his son's face
"Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little push"
Sorry, I just had to do it 😂
There's this weird thing we're people say the dumbest and most vitriolic shit directed at someone who's a public figure, then public figure responds in a manner that if it was any other random user they would engage them and reply, but if it's the public figure it's always like "you didn't have to respond like that you could have been nice about it" even when it's a totally reasonable response
Yeah lmao that's the crazy thing people can talk shit all they want but once the shoe is on the other foot the just wanna bitch and cry and act like you're the bad guy it's honestly pathetic
this!!
Reasons why Adam gets blasted on that subreddit (I believe)
1. Negative response bias. People are much more likely to comment if they disagree with someone rather than agree or otherwise. This tends to bring out a lot of the more toxic uncharitable side. I would bet the vast majority of people just listen to podcast and that's it.
2. The YMS review has historically always made criticism with fine tooth comb. It's no problem for things that people categorically consider awful (cyberbully, saw, other YMS classics), often lauded, but when you're talking about a widely acclaimed, popular film, people will just feel some type of way. I guess it can come off as "not liking the film just to be contrarian", which obviously is not the case, it can feel that way sometimes.
Adam I know you’ll probably never see this but I personally love you. You have seriously change my perspective on so many things and really taught me a lot. Thank you so much for being who you are.
Cool Cat loves you too
The main problem isn't that they don't get your arguments. It's that they don't take arguments AT ALL. They see criticism: they see an ENEMY: and those people don't deserve your time because they are miserable so you have nothing to be jealous of their affection (because they have none (not even to their own self)).
@@narsheguard6417 This is actually true. Everyone is becoming more materialistic, more spiteful and narcissistic. Its just that on sites like Reddit and Twitter you'll find a MUCH greater concentration of such people. Blame postmodernism.
@@B1ackmagic more likes/ more followers means youre a superior human being its kinda pathetic if you think about it
Some people at the end of the day need to just take a step back and remember, these are just films. These criticisms don't need to be that serious
The Sardonicast youtube comment sections seem to be fine, this is just a reddit issue
It's not _as_ bad as Reddit, that's for sure. Still see some bullshit.
For sure I still see some people act like this but usually people understand the points everyone is making
IMDB trivia: "The theme song isn't played very often"
Also IMDB trivia: "Indiana escapes from the African tribe in South America"
I really don't think 2/3rds of the sardonicast subreddit understand how to consume media criticism healthily. See, adam really loves discussing every little detail in a film, rather than overarching 'vibes'. This is not a bad thing. There are channels that already discuss vibes, adam fills his own niche. The problem is, because he likes to wax about details, he can sometimes make small things seem like they were a huge problem. But if you notice, when he hands out final scores, they are usually pretty fair. Ppl on the sardonicast subreddit cannot just take adam's presenting style into account. they see him critiquing a small detail in the movie and assume that he hates the movie. And most of them tie their favourite movies to their identity, so any critique is a personal insult. But this way of critique is adam's signature style. if don't like pizza, why are you at pizza hut?
I don’t think that that it’s a sardonicast problem, that is wider society of people not knowing how to consume media in a healthy way, it’s pretty depressing
@@Steve-je2zc Fanboys are fucking stupid.
This sums it up so perfectly.
The way I consume media is fairly different than the way Adam does, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I FOLLOW HIM! BECAUSE HE GIVES HIS OWN PERSPECTIVE! Why even bother watching someone's reviews about media if you can't handle someone experiencing said media in a different way than your own? I despise these people.
It's not even that much, it's like, 100 people that circlejerk eachother
He has stupidly high standards
I wonder if his brand "Your Movie Sucks Dot Org" is priming people's perception of him in this manner. Because I used to think that he was pretentious to some extent even though that isn't the case.
We all know how people can be in the internet when you say their favorite thing has flaws or is bad in some aspect.
Also, Reddit is filled with a lot of people that look for negativity. I no longer browse there because of it.
Idk alex's brand is "I hate everything"
@@jakehate Guess that is fair.
In any case I do think the majority of the issue spawns from Reddit as a whole these days does seem to foster people looking for negativity or manufacturing it in some capacity. A lot of subreddits I used to lurk became nothing but cesspits.
As for why they target Adam is not certain in regards to the Podcast and topics at hand. I find the target of Reddit's ire is usually something you don't make a lot of sense in.
I think it's mostly Adam's voice. I fucking HATED his nasally, sure-of-himself inflection he put on every word, and wasn't able to listen to the actual substance of what he was saying. People underestimate how important the sound of your voice is.
@@leonkuwata4510 Not something you can control at least for your natural one. To me it's just how he sounds at this point but I could see how it could prime people into filtering his intent. Then layer on top of it the state that is Reddit right now and well...
Way, way back I had a negative impression of alex and adam's channels based entirely on their channel names. This was back when I was still watching Nostalgia Critic and thought the Chronicles of Riddick was a brilliant movie.
Every time I post a comment anywhere to partake in a conversation I feel like my heart is going to burst out from my chest out of irrational fear. I have a reddit account but have never used it because I think my nerves would give out - just reading the comments shown in the video makes my hands tremble, it must be terrible to be the one on the receiving end.
I think it comes from how bothered people are by a confident tone of opinion on YT and Reddit. I’ve seen a number of channels where the reviewer has a more stern/confident tone and people assume they’re shitting on anyone with a different opinion when really they’re just confident in their own opinion.
At no point did Adam say half the shit they’re saying he is, and so many of the comments are along the lines of “oh he’s so smug/pretentious” when he’s just saying his damn opinion. I don’t know why people get so pissed about opinions. Maybe it’s because they’ve made that product too much of their identity
I’ve felt this. The way I type and the vocabulary I use has gotten some slack from people who I’ve just met “you type like a shrewd so you must think you’re better than us” and I’m just.... “no, this is how I type, I don’t care how you type as long as I can read and understand it”. People have a bad experience with somebody who’s a prick and associate some of those formalities with those assholes who do think using “big words” and “actual grammar” is some prestige thing or means they’re smart, and it might be the same with their view on Adam. Except with Adam it’s not one-on-one, I can just say “you’ve misinterpreted me”, talk to them more, and they’ll drop their viewpoint. Adam largely doesn’t have that option ;-;
As someone who used to be very toxic, I used to be hyper sensitive to criticism or even an opinion I didn't like if it was said in a stern tone, because it subconsciously reminded me of how my mom used to talk to me. I think having an oversensitive reaction to confidence is common because there's no infrastructure to properly address mental health issues (at least not in the US) and so you lash out on social media because those platforms are designed to start arguments to maximise engagement with the site.
They're just insecure bullies projecting their issues onto others wanting them to feel like shit because they feel like shit.
I really hate the way every video on TH-cam with an opinion starts with a 5-minute reminder that everyone has different opinions and this isn't an insult etc. that I have to skip. I wish it wasn't necessary, but people just apparently can't tell the difference between opinions and shitting on someone on a personal level.
cat snake Yeah. Sorry about the person in your story tho ;-;. I don’t get many people remarking on how I type anymore, or how I talk, but it’s mainly because I’ve gotten better at relating to and easing people.
There's something so frustrating about someone insulting you in the same sentence they show a surprising amount of incompetence to reach that insult.
I never comment usually but love to listen to the sardonicast! 9/10 times i haven’t watched the movies, that might sound strange but i am just entertained by the discussions and jokes. I think that speaks to how much i appreciate you guys as hosts. All 3 of you!
Same I Listen to it initially then watch the movies after and then listen to it again to get a whole new experience.
I hope Alex and Ralph send Adum like a basket of chocolate or something.
Or beans from Alex
Adam is just very very critical. That's his style! I've never seen him blindly praise anything, there's always something. And that's like... Okay. Cause nothing is perfect.
But I guess some people can't accept that, or they feel attacked
IMO a lot of it has just become tired as the years go on. That kind of criticism was really fun in the 2007-2015 era of youtube, but now it's just the same thing a lot of TH-camrs do.
He legit sounds like my anxiety brain when I'm trying to figure out why people are mean to me
I guess people on Reddit don’t know what the word “arrogant” means.
Painful irony
It’s like they are all one big joke but they aren’t in on it. They don’t see the irony of how arrogant they are.
Adam is clearly able to separate "quality" from "entertainment value". I think a lot of the reddit comments were conflating the two.
What the fuck does that have to do with Raiders of the Lost Ark? You can't fucking tell me that movie isn't quality.
@@leonardotavaresdardenne9955 but you can't tell me that its entertainment value doesn't massively outweigh its quality
@@kundatrix I mean it's like a flawlessly executed picture
I mean that's an insanely vague metric lol. Separating "quality" from "entertainment value" is nonsense to me. I understand what people are trying to do when they say that but I personally find it wrongheaded. Trying to be "objective" about art. You can be somewhat objective about the quality of craft but using that to judge the experience of a film as a whole is useless for most people.
@@leonardotavaresdardenne9955 Yeah, so’s a lot of the Fast & Furious movies. You gonna cry when someone also doesn’t care for those films?
I remember when everyone would hate on IHE just cuz of his name. It never mattered how well spoken or well explained his opinions were there was always a loud crowd coming to the conclusion that "oh this guy hates everything screw him". I hope this doesn't eat up Adam just cuz a loud few don't like him/ don't understand where he is coming from
All his name is supposed to mean us he doesn't have a specific topic. He can talk about movies, video games, Mars bars, clothing brands, anything. That's it.
Adum is my favorite member of Sardonicast, and it's depressing to me how much effort he puts in for so many people who don't even like him. :/
I wish I could tell Adam this, but he's not alone. It made me sad hearing him say that.
He's my fav youtuber, made me sad too :(
*{Timestamps}*
Glad to be back
00:00 - Adam gives out thanks & assumes the best
00:45 - _BUT_ (Adam goes into the Sardonicast subreddit)
02:15 - nuancless N*zis (can’t even comment the actual word because whas buttfucked me before)
04:11 - Adam’s possible explanation for the toxicity
06:05 - another example of toxicity
08:26 - one more example of toxicity
10:18 - this is what Adam gets pissed off about
13:35 - Adam points out the good apples
14:00 - _BUT…_
15:17 - Sardonicast subreddit can’t even catch up with itself
16:06 - Adam’s response (& also gives context)
22:47 - the response to Adam’s response
25:12 - Adam DOES want disagreements, _BUT…_
28:12 - Adam’s experience vs everyone else’s
30:03 - Adam’s done
32:17 - the gaslighting (is it gaslighting?)
35:00 - Adam doesn’t know anymore
35:38 - the ones who don’t want Adam there are the ones given the most attention
36:49 - Adam needed to vent
37:43 - Credits
Makes me wonder how this subreddit treats Ralph & Alex
Apparently they took this Indiana Jones occasion to stop hating on Ralph and start trashing adum
If I have to take a guess, I would say that the subreddit considers Adam to be their least favorite person on Sardonicast, while Ralph and Alex are the fans' favorites.
They treat Ralph like shit but Alex gets no hate because the subreddit is basically Alex fans
Just wondering how long does it take to do time stamps on average
Ralph usually equally poorly. It's quite sad, because it's usually over an opinion that's entirely personal.
I mean, this is Reddit we're talking about. It may be one of the top 5 most toxic websites ever created.
Yep, it's only top 5 because 8chan, 4chan, Twitter and Tumblr exist.
@@RFLCPTR Exactly
What's a non toxic social media website? Lmao
@@sph9564 Yeah, as with all social media platforms, it depends on what subreddit or community you are a part of.
It MAY be? No, it definitely is.
I kinda just wanna hug the poor horsie and tell him it’ll all be okay. Stay golden pony boy 🐴
Rubs head softly
I hope he doesn't quit the podcast over this stuff, it wouldn't work at all without him
I'd say if any of them left they'd just stop. They seem like pretty good friends outside of the podcast and I doubt they'd just ditch one of the members
Why does he even read the subreddit threads anyways?
Seems like nothing good comes out of that site.
*Aside from the gamestop debacle
@@Orgotheonemancult he says he goes through the subreddit for fanart since he’s in charge of getting those for the show, if that’s the case then it’s inevitable he’s gonna see at least a good number of comments
I often disagree with Adam and I think he's sometimes a bit too harsh on certain movies, but he's got something that most of YT "movie critics" don't have; technical knowledge and understanding of film in general. He's one of rare movie critics on YT that actually talks about cinematography, colors, use of lightning, camera work, acting, editing etc. Even if I disagree with them, his arguments are always strong and carry some kind of weight.
But the thing that I admire about him is that despite him being one of more popular movie critics on YT, he never let his ego take the best of him. Yes, he can sometimes come across as grumpy and too cynical, but not to the point I found him unlikable.
Like I said; I often disagree with him, but I still respect him, because he's a competent film critic.
There are those moments where I'll write a comment online and one person hastily misinterprets me, or "corrects" me by being wrong, and I have to decide whether it's worth my time to try to explain myself and show myself to be in the right, or to let it go. Not just for that person, but other people who might read our exchange later. If this happened where entire reddit threads were created with dozens of people agreeing with each other about how wrong and terrible I was (assuming for sake of argument that I wasn't actually wrong or terrible), that would be just awful.
For the record: obviously there are times where I'm the one who's wrong, and it's important to scrutinise one's own convictions.
Adam, there’s a reason I stopped using Reddit. I mentally feel way better now that I avoid it like the plague.
I stopped using it in 2016
I just look at pictures of cute fluffy dogs... probably can’t go wrong with that
I did the same thing. Broke out of it last year and I am never going back
Alot of misogyny on reddit
@@chrischickering1959 about 50% of the reasons why I left
Stuff like this is why I'm glad I'm not a celebrity.
I would rather enjoy what I do and have nobody watch it then have everyone watch my stuff and hate what I do, lol.
@@rudeboyspodcast That's why my personal aspiration is to be like Tom Verlaine from proto punk band Television.
Same here ..
Adum is outspoken about the things he doesn't like even if they are popular, and we live in an era where you cannot have disagreement without one party being "wrong". That being said, I have had some amazing and friendly discussions in that sub
I just want to give Adam a hug ... I've just been exactly there so often.
Damn man. I hate how people take anything negative with something they like. They think it's a personal attack on themself.
The memes are also so fucking stale and exhausted. Love the podcast, am exhausted of the meme bombardment on the sub.
I think the problem is that they see Adum as a "public figure" or something since he is on a podcast and is semi-famous on TH-cam - so they believe they are punching upward and if Adum defends himself he is punching downward. It's like Adum constantly dogging on Jon Favreau, except his criticism of Jon Favreau is part of a much larger criticism of Disney remakes and artistic work in general.
This whole video I just couldn’t help but to think that he’s basically complaining about the entirety of Reddit. Tis a miserable place.
Do yourself a favour Adam and avoid it. There’s nothing good that can come from interacting with people who seemingly hate you.
He said multiple times in this very video how he would unsub from the subreddit but he goes there to get the fan art
@@jordanstark5924 I mean more Reddit as whole, should just be avoided. But that’s good! If he’s already dealing with depression, in my experience Reddit doesn’t help with your mental health :p
I dunno Reddit is pretty useful workout for your eyes with all the eyerolling that so many posts evoke
@@frankmerker630 I actually appreciate this funny reply instead of more people that just don't understand
He lost the moment he started reading reddit comments tbh, mostly bc adam and ralphs style of comunicating is kinda "agressive" sometimes and people take it as an attack instead of ok this guy just talks like this
The point you're missing is that most people view that gun gag in Indy as iconic and great. So when you say "I thought of this as a punk teenager" you're saying an all time great moment is something you can shit out as a kid. That's where they are finding arrogance.
They are incorrect, but sheep mentality. Though it's something easily ironed out in nuanced conversation, that is not what reddit does. Chin up pal, these are lonely times.
But the thing is, that scene was just shit out on the moment because Ford had the Shits
@@nickrustyson8124 that's a very famous fact u arent bringing anything new to the table
Maybe it's because these movies were made for children and were never that exceptional in the first place.
@@leonkuwata4510 I wouldn't say for Children, PG back then meant Teens and Young Adults
@@nickrustyson8124 The target demographic definitely skews younger. Even the "darkest" movie Temple of Doom had a moment where "silly lady get splashed by elephant" was considered a legitimately good enough scene to make the audience (children) laugh. If it was meant for adults, or anyone over 10, that scene would not exist.
I stopped browsing reddit entirely, the main page or most popular posts are infuriatingly stupid not to mention the comments. And the subreddits i used to frequent fell into a downspiral of dumb toxicity that it wasnt even fun anymore to browse or even try to talk with people there, very much like twitter, after quitting it i felt a sudden weight lifted from my shoulders.
I can honestly relate a lot to what Adam is saying here. The amount of times I've had someone misconstrue, twist, or completely ignore a point I'm trying to make is ridiculous. Especially when he's had to deal with it for years and it's that much more amplified on the subreddit. I can definitely understand the frustration.
ngl I think he should just ignore Reddit comments. They're dumb. He gets way too tripped over these kinds of things
It's his own reddit, he's kinda forced to go through the comments.
True, ussually whit that kind of "people" you either ignore them or you insult them, in both scenarios you end up winning.
"this particular subreddit is toxic" is like saying "this particular inch of Hitler's body is indeed evil"
That's not true, the community all about identifying things is a real good bunch.
Literally the only reason why I have a Reddit account really is just for the neat bug fellas to identify the bug I've encountered
Anyone remember that scene in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly where a bounty hunter confronts Tuco at gunpoint, giving him a badass speech and Tuco shoots him and says "If you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
Raiders was far from the first or only movie to do the "bad guy tries to look cool and gets shot in the process" gag so for Adam to come up with that idea independently from Raiders is entirely possible.
Damn, this made me feel really bad for Adum. I haven't been watching his stuff lately or listening to the podcast, but I feel even worse now that I haven't been keeping up. I wish I could help support these three, because they are all great people. I hope you're feeling better now Adum, don't let these idiots get to you.
Adam might not have hated the Indiana Jones movies before the podcast, but I wouldn’t blame him if he does now.
I probably would.
Adam was spot on when he said they just dont understand his points. They’re so eager to defend a multimillion dollar film and just shit on Adam
@@JOHNY0 I didn’t see any genuine disagreements with any merit. They purposely misrepresented his argument and personally attacked him. So yeah
@@JOHNY0 it might be hyperbolic but still it’s like they can’t personally defend their arguments without looking weird for instance when Adam was talking about the sword and gun it’s such a trope in a lot of media to where yeah it’s not something so original in an idea and they did it fine but as a person who probably grew up watching Indieana Jones you probably want to say it’s the first time you saw it and it was awesome and nostalgic but again that argument may seem lame but it’s valid people shouldn’t be ashamed to say they like a movie because hey saw it as a kid I love Jurassic park because I saw it as a kid
It literally feels like a couple of people are just like "OMG, Adam said da dada dah!" because they have a beef with him and then a fuckload of people who don't even watch the podcast are just like "Oh my god, he said that? Wow, he sure says a lot of stuff on episodes I don't watch, apparently. Fuck this guy!" and then they just parrot the same false points and invalid arguments.
People are ravenous to defend children's films. That's why the Star Wars base is mostly cancerous manchildren now.
@@leonkuwata4510 Star Wars is weird because it's not just nostalgia, it's also that they pissed off the anti SJW crowd of alt-right weirdos who have no idea what they're talking about and then the actual new movies ended up being the most inconsistent crap ever.
So we went from "This movie franchise is dead now because female MC and black characters" to "Oh wow, this movie is insane and it's a really mixed bag" to just "Wait, they're doing what?! Carrie Fisher is being digitally inserted for what now?! Isn't she fucking dead!?!?!" All on a franchise that already had huge loads of expectations for it because this is all following a major buyout that everyone was skeptical of which seems to have had no pre-planning done at all???
It's such a weird thing, I've never seen anything like it.
What happened between adum's words and their ears is emotions.
I can relate to this. A lot of people get weird and personal when you talk movies.
Film nerds are the fucking worst. They almost make me not like movies at all
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Just watch movies for your own pleasure.
@@craydogdog1530 Yeah, I think I didn't express myself correctly. For the most part I just watch the films I want to watch not caring alot for people's opinions, sometimes I watch popular maintream movies to judge them by myself. But seeing the film community on TH-cam, Twitter, Facebook, etc, is cringe and bad that I don't want to be a part of it.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Fair enough. I still engage with people I disagree with when my emotions are stable enough to allow me debate or discuss. But for the most part, I try not to watch movies just to hear what others have to say though.
I HATE that feeling when someone is being so ridiculous to such a degree that you have a moment where you NEED to hear an outside opinion because you're like, "Wait is this as crazy as I THINK it is- or AM I crazy?" Because that feels like the only possible alternative.
You’d think Adam would be used to getting hate for his opinions by now
I just wanna give Adam a hug, god damn. Especially through these stream highlights you see how much thought and care he puts into making sure the content creates is the truest expression of his honest opinion and supported by all the information that he has. Even if you disagree with him (which I do much of the time) you have to respect that. At least have the decency to argue/criticize him in good faith.
Oh shit Adam we support ya, people were just mad that you didn't like a movie from their childhood
I love that they used the imdb trivia as proof when the imdb trivia says "right after Indiana escapes from Belloq and the African tribe." Even though the scene they're talking about is set in a Peruvian jungle.
I think people are just half listening and just want to feel superior
Adam is my favorite member on Sardonicast :3
He's the only one I like, lol.
Twitter actually has a similar phenomenon where someone will post a review online (typically about Zack Snyder's films), and if they get a fact wrong and\or interpret something differently, fans will post clips on Twitter with the caption "Well, we know that (insert youtuber here) is a *liar* now." It's incredibly disingenuous.
For me the sword scene is special mainly because of the context in which it exists; Harrison Ford had insane food poisoning and he didn't want to be there any more. The spontaneity of an improvised scene.
I'm not surprised at all redditors would intensely misinterpret Adam's points. Reddit often seems to promote a hivemind where immediate emotional reaction supersedes critical thinking.
Social media has become a giant hivemind because anyone smart enough to see through it or who isn't a depressed lunatic doesn't even contribute anymore, because they don't want to ruin their day looking at all the craziness going on.
Reddit is designed to promote the hive mind. If there is a popular opinion, even if only by a slim margin, those that don't share that opinion will be shouted down and downvoted by those who do. Soon the people that have the minority opinion just leave and the hive mind's echo chamber grows.
I'm pretty sure you're putting more thought into these comments than any of them did.
I’m sorry this is happening to you. You and Ralph are the two people that made me start to look at film critically and start to appreciate it and I hope you guys can work this all out somehow and find people who understand you.
Man, I just don't get how you can hate on Adam like that... He often makes the most interesting points on the cast and I find him very entertaining - in these highlights, on the podcast and on his main channel. He doesn't deserve any of this stuff
You know what this is? It's some people that already hate Adam, and want to talk shit, and they wait, they wait for a small mistake to call out, a drop of mistake, and they either close the video and goes and write their little piece, or maliciously see the entire thing but chooses to ignore it and spin it as Adam being wrong or whatever.
Like, I feel bad about Adam man, it's like, just because people built an expectation of who you are, and hates you, not knowing who you are irl, just, hating an entire person they don't know about based on the idea of who he is, it's just shitty, it's shitty to Adam, and extremely borderline sad and immature, you really gotta have nothing going on your life to be like that.
The people making the logical leap that you were arrogant about the Indy gun gag were born after the internet was everywhere or just don’t remember not having access to information at the touch of a button.
I’m not even 30 till next year and I remember discovering things that were common knowledge that I didn’t have the ability to search on the spot. It’s not uncommon to experience this. The people who don’t get that are the kind of people who say “Google it!” instead of explaining themselves, they’re the arrogant ones.
So sorry to hear adam is depressed. This sounds lame but I send you virtual hugs and good vibes. These are very hard times we are going through and Adam's videos as well as highlights make my day much better! You guys bring joy to so many people and I hope that you feel cheered up a bit to know that. Stay safe out there ❤
I think a lot of people's negative perception of Adam comes from his ratings (which they said in an early podcast episode are somewhat pointless anyway, if I recall). To them "5/10" means the movie is bad/the reviewer hated the movie, so any negative thing Adam brings up (no matter how minor) is seen as the culprit for the low score.
It makes me really sad to see Adam upset, there will always be people acting with bad faith on the internet. Even if I don’t always agree with his takes I do connect with him and really appreciate his hard work. Hang in there Adam!
You're not alone dude, look at the love you get from the majority of us. Please don't let the few who don't take the time to follow what you do, overshadow the people who care. Your content means a lot to many people myself included.
I don't always agree with your scores / preferences but my respect for you is massive and you're an important person in TH-cam and in the lives of the people who support you.
I think there’s a lot more people who enjoy you and your content than you believe. I hope that this won’t lead to an end of Sardonicast. There’s so many movies I want to hear all of your three’s opinions on
Idk how they could’ve missed where Adam agreed with Ralph, I listen to the Podcast while at work and giving it half my attention, and I still didn’t miss it lol
Most of the "how do people-" and "they think-" questions can be simply answered: *people are often dumb and nasty and may have no real basis for their own negativity, so they just pretend and lie in order to demonize others* and that's an unfortunate truth.
They probably heard him say he fact checked it and assumed he lied because that is what they themselves would do.
Dude when Adam said he feels alone and how people don't get what he's saying I ganuanlly wanted too give I'm a hug cause I totally get that
I wanted him to stop being so dramatic
I feel nuance conversation is dead when it comes to online media interactions. I see the same with EFAP and with this Adum Situation. A lot of people will misinterpret what people say because they don’t enjoy the media they like. I would also say in my opinion that people imbue a lot of their identities with the media they enjoy and love. I think the conversation we should be having is about how people view media and how it effects conversation in a very toxic way. I think this clip is a perfect example of not only how negative views of someone can effect critical analysis of what someone says, but also it shows how much people put a lot of emotional attention to the media they love.
I love adums relationship with his chat, theyre so supportive
Well this is the same website that treats someone as mediocre as Jon Favreau like he's Stanley Kubrick.
The British army thought of the “bring a gun to a sword fight” concept in the 1890s
Lol
These streams are like therapy for adam
I don't know why the subreddit was making a big deal about the gag like it was a 'once-in-a-lifetime' thing. It was just an average slap-stick gag.
Also, it wasn't even written to be in the film until the day of filming in which that scene occurred, as Harrison Ford had dysentery that day and couldn't do the actual longer fight.
DaBaby says: “Do your homework!”
I didn't realize you could say something other than "gromit mug"
You have subverted my expectations!
Less goooo
@@alcoonslambag9999 yeah yeah
@@natty3738 hUh!?!
Holy shit I have 30,000 subscribers on a different channel that I run, and I’m going through the same shit right now with an atypical audience because I’m trying out a different style of video… And everything that Adam outlined i.e. the gaslighting, the gross mischaracterizations, and the “you can’t accept criticism“ argument when all I do is disagree with them is insane. Really needed this today lol.
I love Sardonicast. It’s actually how I found Adams channel. 2/3 of Reddit probably isn’t 2/3 of the audience but this shit would totally get to me. It drives me up the wall when this happens to me in person let alone with a whole ass subreddit.
The sardonicast subreddit is treating Adam like how the JAR Media subreddit treats James as a joke but unironically
As someone with autism, this is so relevant to me. I constantly feel like people read into what I say and try to pick it apart and assume things about me and what I’m saying that aren’t true. I feel constantly misunderstood by those around me because while I’m trying to make a point, I say exactly what I mean. But it feels like no matter how hard I try people will read into subtext that isn’t there. It makes me feel so alone. I’m glad you can at least understand the same struggle. I think one of the reasons I’m so drawn to your content is because of how upfront and grounded you are. It reminds me of how I try to be in my own life. You make me feel less crazy. Thank you
eYEs in the chat for adam, hope the best for him
I feel like so much of online culture is like, "well if you disagree with me at all, you're just trash, crazy, fascist, tankie, etc." and it's helpful to remember that the people spamming that kind of shit are a vocal minority. Also a lot of them are young, like, really young.
There's a lot of fascists online though. Don't pull this BS, we're on our way to a new Nazi Germany in the West soon
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 i think youre proving a point
@@MASHKingmaker Ah yes guess I imagined all the Neo-Nazi terrorist attacks
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 probably not all of them
@@MASHKingmaker Even the FBI said they were the main form of terrorist attack in recent years and happened far more than Jihadism.
We love you adam, you express you feelings as clear as possible. Some people really cant handle a different opion even when its expressed logically and simply.
@@KaneK1234 oh look its you.
If you get overly annoyed at someone criticising a movie you adore/worship, then you need to get your life priorities straight.
Cover up, your man-child is showing.
The other day, I read a post (not on this subreddit) about how a reviewer was "smug" and "why can't he just let people like what they like, and have their own opinions?" It was defending, of all things, Emily In Paris, and the reviewer was an actual Parisian, criticizing how the show portrays his own city!
Okay, we all like stupid things occasionally. That's our right. It's also our right to criticize things which are too goddamn stupid. And I am NEVER going to stop doing that, anonymous person. If that ruins Emily In Paris for you, and therefore your life, that's just the way it has to be.
not Emily in Paris smh...
Or even better: Hey Anonymous person, if that ruins Emily in Paris for you, maybe you didn't like that much to begin with.