In Queensland Australia just the other day......the power company remotely turned off people's air conditioning units(using smart meters) because the grid couldn't handle the consumption. If the power network can't handle the existing power usage....how will it cope with power hungry EV's. The change to majority EV's will not happen, there are not enough material resources or power resources to make it happen.
It's why they push smart meters and smart chargers....they can turn you off when they want and be selective about what and when they turn off. Air con and EV charging are the first to go OFF.
Genuine question: I can see how a power supplier could shut off all power to a customer, but how can they manage to shut down just a customer's AC unit and leave everything else running?
@daviddaw999 A smart meter knows what is on and off and talks to any newish device connected to it , so it can turn off any of those devices it's in communication with. With a car it knows the make ,model ,battery type ,charge rate ,level as all info is accessible via smart chargers ....smart meters are using a mesh WiFi system to also talk to all the other smart meters in the area....all connected.
The same with the adblue. Dealer people act as if it doesn't exist, only downsides to talk about it, so they pretend the sun is shining when it's raining
@@benregler9872 if you’re talking about the manual release handles you’re correct though in some models but they always hit away and you have to know where they are This of course is not convenient after having an accident trying to remember how to get to the manual release and there was no manual release on the outside so if anyone tries to help anyone with an EV and get them out of a burning vehicle tough . I’ve actually started carrying out a glass hammer just in case to be able to help someone out.
The frame and motors could be durable but the battery is mounted directly into the frame meaning its amlost impossible to replace the battery without cutting the car apart. The cars are disposable by design.
Imagine trying to sell a £5k second hand car with a 3 gallon fuel tank and a small filling hole that takes 40 minutes to fill up. This vehicle type is only of use as a city commuter where the owner can charge at home. Disclaimer: I have owned a small EV since 2019 and it’s a great city commuter, but it’s certainly not the sole transport solution.
Absolutely. It's the right car for the right job. If you do a fair bit of commuter driving mostly and pay for your own fuel. EV's are a good and cheap fuel (if you do not buy new) way to do it.
People will tend to get nasty when facts are presented to them bringing to light their poor uneducated decisions in committing to massive depreciation. It's a hard one to suck up
Then you've nothing to worry about have you. People waste money on depreciating cars all the time, including petrol and diesel. Very few cars are an investment. So if you have a banger and it runs, great for you. Your save money and don't buy any car above a few thousand. Otherwise ignore you and splash out the dosh on whatever car you like.
As soon as someone resorts to name calling, it proves they have the mentality of a child, and they've lost the argument. Happy New Year, Barrie, and keep up the good work.
Notice that even if the battery status is displayed (Tesla for example), it's usually just the maximum charge available (in percentage) compared to new specifications. Even at 80% or 90% a battery could die suddenly due to a single cell malfunctionning. A single cell. And you have no cue before it die. Could happen at any point. Notice that replacing a battery (for a brand new one) could cost the price of a brand new EV, and that's no mistake. Nearly every battery failure after warranty lead to a economically totaled vehicle, it's throwable, not maintainable.
You have to understand that % is based on battery voltage. Range estimates are estimates for current usage. So if you tow, drive uphill or use the heaters/ac it will dramatically affect range.
Most in the past didn't want to buy overly complicated ice cars due to a similar style of issue. Don't buy that big merc saloon, the electric loom degrades. It's a 12k replacement price. Don't buy that BMW the push rods go and turn the engine to scrap, 9k used replacement. As far as I see this is the ev equivalent and if a product doesn't hold its value in used market due to these liabilities then I don't blame people from staying away.
Of course replacing an ICE engine is going to be cheap too? Battery cells are individual units that make up the whole battery pack. Each one can be replaced if you have the training. Last year my local Mercedes garage had staff trained to do exactly that. Why would an entire battery need replacing? As for reliability most manufacturers give longer warranties on batteries than they do on ICE. BMW for example gives 3 years on ICE cars and 7 on battery for EVs.
@gerryparker7699 depends on the engine in question of course. The example I used regarding the push rods was a m3 engine which of course is a bit more specialist. But if you say they can individually replace cells feom the skateboard designed evs then ill do the research to see how effective and cheap that could possibly be. 🤔
But yeah I don't think the warranty should the total measuring stick. Regarding the watch ⌚️ trade a mechanical watch and a quartz watch might have similar warranty periods but a quality mechanical watch, if well looked after, will out live a quartz by quite a margin.
Many hybrids ( Outlander PHEV for ) one) being written off as battery at 70% health which is end of days for a hybrid effectively. If under 7 years you can claim on warranty,if over then your car is worthless junk. Saving the planet one lithium battery in landfill at a time ,comical.
So true, it’s time to stop buying up late model internal combustion engine pad vehicles and keep them for another five years maybe two and sell them for a good profit.
Think I can help effective range from 80 to 120 miles If you remember Luton in the last month announced production of commercial would be moved to Ellsmere Point in Cheshire unless you are doing local deliveries you can not use a van will the company allow you to spend 3 hours a day waiting to charge the car. British Gas has returned all the Electric vans and are returing to ICE vehicles
@@andyhobbs2812 So only good if you do local deliveries then and not City to City deliveries. Would be interesting to see what large companies have bought an electric van fleet and then changed their mind in addition to British Gas.
Since EVs where launched, profits in tyre companies have increased! Good news for tyre manufacturers! Coffee sales at locations with public charging have gone through the roof! Good news for coffee producers! Positive enough?
@ Out of range, out of electric, stuck out in the middle of nowhere freezing this winter in an EV! Convinced by the elites, buying an EV was the right thing to do, not realising it is all a plot to deprive the middle class of mobility, money and ultimately control! Then if only it would set itself on fire! All evidence destroyed!
I am in the trade and get involved with EV’s. A trader we deal with buys ‘ no miles ‘ EV’s and when we received his latest batch of 4 vans we questioned the delivery driver. He told us there were thousands of EV’s in a compound registered but never been on the road, all with minimal mileage. He spends all his days delivering to small traders. This latest batch cost between £11500-£15000 and are sold for a small profit. Keep up the good work of telling the truth.
Just as it is possible to clock a car I'm sure that it will be possible to clock a battery just remember trust nothing that you hear and only half of what you see
Yes. The BMS (battery management system) has flash memory built in to record cycles, charging limits, faults and other data. For an engineer, it wouldn't be too difficult to connect a logic analyser to the memory chip in question and grab the data format directly at circuit board level. Once the data acquisition is complete, it's just a case of modifying the data and writing a new set of values to it. The next level would be to encorporate that data format into software so it can be done to multiple modules at the click of a mouse. Modern CAN bus systems in cars have open networks which are not hard to read. It's how the OBD work with universal tools.
@ everything degrades. Most petrol engines die without ever getting to 100k miles. It’s also possible that future batteries won’t degrade at all. The dendrite problem has been solved. Solid state batteries are here already. Engine development is finished.
Not providing Battery condition is like having no service stamps or book... Id avoid any EV without a full battery condition certificate.. and even then id like to know what the guarantees were, like gov certificate approved the claims was true.. only thing in an EV that really matters is the battery
Positive content: Electric motors and their increasing efficiency. Use in hybrid drivetrains. However, it is much easier to find examples of how electric motors are being misused and forced onto the public. The trouble with the evangelists is that they don't understand battery technology and its development. They always say the next big thing is just around the corner because of some start-up offering something borderline impossible in the search for funding.
Guy bought a Tesla Model S in 2019 a 75d battery with 304 miles range (official) now with 107,000 miles on it the range has reduced to 106 miles so his wife uses it on the school run and he’s taken her Mini Countryman diesel to use and clock up some stress free driving.
Barrie, Just wondering the state of battery may say one thing .But will these batteries really start failing like a cordless drill one , ie with little warning 👀
Hi Barrie. Love the channel. My thought is that you are getting close to the truth if you are getting threatened otherwise they won’t bother. Keep up the good work.
Yes. In the medical side, there’s a 77th Brigade funded unit (British Army Intelligence Unit) who act in packs as needed to “dog pile” people on social media. If anybody gets close to the truth about c*vid and maxines, watch they swing into action and start badmouthing targeted people. They are the pits. I’ve no reason to doubt that similar things exist in this lie zone, too.
Your comments on EV brakes are absolutely right, I've even seen it on the back of lighter cars with rear discs ie VW polo, the rear discs rust regardless of how hard you use them, they just aren't worked hard enough. Hence things like ID3s moving to drums. Cheaper and more suitable for light use.
the name calling means someone is hitting a really sore spot and the nutters got nothing to counter with. That's what winning looks like 💪 I wish everyone a Barrie new year! 💫
Stop concentrating on the haters.........ignore them. Keep going with the facts on electric cars. You are up against the might of advertisers and PR agencies all trying to promote a flawed product for most people...and certainly private buyers.
"Stop concentrating on the haters", by ignoring them? Isn't that what haters do? They just listen to their own echo chambers of likeminded people and close off their minds to others. As for the accuracy of facts. I think it depends on where you get them from. If you are happy to go with hearsay rather than from people who live with EV's then you wont get a balance picture.
gerry. they are not up to the job apart from local journeys really. Something massive will have to change and I suspect that it won't be battery technology. Lithium ion batteries came out in 1991 and after 33 years of development they are still nowhere near as good as ice, especially on long journeys and towing and hopeless for vans, commercial, vehicles, lorries etc
How do battery age?. Is it time? Is it amount times it been charged? Is amount times it's been charged and discharged? Does it age by getting to hot or cold?
it depends on charging higher charging current means shorter life. If the car has been charged at home on a low rate charger it will be in better condition than a low mileage car charged on high rated chargers (everything else being equal)
@domingodesantaclara1130Solid state batteries are going into limited production. In theory they could be 10 times as energy dense, but twice as energy dense is certainly likely.
I genuinely considered a used EV last year when i was looking for a moderate priced car. One I remember investigating was a used crap spec Nissan Leaf. I live in a rural area so a decent shopping trip for anything other than groceries can be a 40-50 mile round trip. The Nissan Leaf was a short range version to start with and the battery condition was down to about 80%. Factoring in cold weather it was debatable whether it could do the journey without a further charge, another few years and it might be useless to me. Deep charge/ discharge cycles shorten the life of batteries so a car with a small capacity battery is likely to degrade faster. (No-one ever mentions this). I am not paranoic about battery degradation, to some extent of course it goes on even when the vehicles are not in use. More and more refurbishers are rebuilding battery packs (admittedly mostly using used cells) so the price of an OEM battery is largely irrelevant. Lies being told from either "side" of the argument are not helpful.
If the battery condition was indeed added to adverts for EV’s would be great. But could we believe the results, I worked for a well known vehicle dealership, i was the guy sent to pull out the car that had been stood in the compound (airfield) mostly had to use a jump pack to get these vehicles to start ran them upto the work shop for PDI . The tech as part of his PDI check had to run a battery status check the tool he used printed a small receipt that was stapled to the paperwork of the vehicle he was working on. Because his results were far from perfect he had a battery on his bench that was always on charge so gave him a very good result🤷♂️
If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force their sale. He's selling it as a trade sale because he knows the battery is cooked, he knows a customer with the consumer act on their side would get on his case. No doubt the local paper might run a story. Selling it to another trader is shifting the problem off his lot to some unsuspecting used dealer to get stung for a new battery.
In the old days sellers could put heavy oil in the engine to hide worn parts. Sawdust in transmissions to get a few miles extra. Many tricks in the old days. Now it is hard to hide worn parts.
Battery prices will explode (pardon the pun) soon. There just aren’t enough mines to deal with the rare earth elements needed, and demand will grow massively as the mandates take effect. It takes 10-15 years for new mines to come online, so there will be such a shortage of minerals that supply and demand means the prices will soar! But having said that, governments are winding down all the discounts EV owners get; so maybe demand might drop a bit, even with the mandates.
It seems disengenuous to show the range in Kilometers, why ? Has the UK ditched miles ? should they not show the range in miles, for example the speed limit in the UK is related to mph not to kph, just seems strange honestly. Appreciate the videos and wish you a happy new year Barrie.
Hi I not long ago spent 8000 on a c class estate it suits my needs perfectly and is economical to run. If I had spent the same on an EV yes it woul likely be newer but have a battery that is around 6 years old and would not be able to do what I need a vehicle to do other than get me to work and back. The range is not so much a problem I just don't want an unpredictable fire hazard on my drive. Also there is no way I can tell if the battery has been sensibly charged or regularly fast charged and therefore due to die early
I own a 30kwhr leaf with 42% and 5 battery bar degradation. According to EVangelists all other lithium ion batteries other than the leaf don't appreciably degrade. We all know the management system on a leaf is the worst but a leaf is also the oldest and one of the smallest batteries out there and suffers more cyclical use loss because of it. Time will be their educator with the evil mistress that degradation is lol. I have learned my lesson in EV school and won't be buying another one.
@@FredFox-m9v have you had the battery firmware update? If your firmware ends with a 4a or 4b it needs an update to 4c of your on 6a or 6b you're fine.
These "Trade Sellers " whose business is loosing money , have themselves to credit for this. In the motor trade you do not keep buying when been you have lost money on previous cars. They have acumulated these lemons over time . " Take the losses SELL and do not repeat mistake.
Over £4000 for a car that only has a range of 90 miles 😂 who are they trying to kid, top video as always Barry, keep telling Facts about this EV nonsense 👍
I am an electrician and one of our customers has got a tesla, 2019 had it since new, it's done 52k miles and has had to have a new battery, luckily it was done under warranty, he asked the garage what it would of costed him an they said battery 20k plus vat and fitting. The car is only worth about 17k. That would be a 52 thousand mile write off, uneconomical to repair. The dealership told him it is quite rare for the battery to need replacing but they have done a few of them.
Rare, but when they do happen it will be a guaranteed scrap heap car. Cars a written off for just being in accidents, no insurer will ever be the fall guy putting a potential hazard on the road risking getting sued 6 feet into the ground
@rosen9425 he was just pleased they covered it under warranty, be honest who is going risk buying an EV out of warranty unless it cheap enough to throw away when it goes wrong.
@@ADYDRURY1234 For sure. imo there's just too much potential crap going on with EVs, some of it is literally life threatening in a finger snap. I'm personally not stoked on risking my life a tiny bit for some virtue signaling. Certainly not going to pay money for it
@rosen9425 I won't even buy a used mobile phone unless it's off family or a close friend who has owned it from new and that's only about £200. Not a chance I would risk 1000s on a used ev without a warranty. I also don't like wasting my life sitting around in shit hole carparks waiting for a poxy box on wheels to charge back up. Nothing in life is worth sitting in bloody carparks for.
I have watched EV cleevely channel for years for years and his content looked good his MG service cars doen 150,000 miles but seen a video of a MG E4 or E5 and they are hiding issues love the channel
They are good in very specific use cases. E. g. if you live on an island which banned internal combustion engines, have a wall outlet and produce your own energy at home with solar panels and don't drive far enough to have the need to recharge. 🤔
If it's a trade sale it means they don't want to give a warranty on it surely? Also who in the world would spend 4.5K on something that only does 50 miles?
Range anxiety is less of a factor, assuming you don’t buy something big like an ID,4 and pair it with the smaller sized battery. Infrastructure anxiety is a major concern, especially in rural areas that only have local authority chargers. The only fast charger in my town has been out of action for around 3 years. The council were supposed to install 4 new rapid chargers in 2023 and none of the projects have started. Not a chance there will be sufficient infrastructure in place for with the govt forces us all down the ev route.
An old friend contacted me two years ago to say he's in NE France and would like to " pop over" to visit it me in Brittany. He'd just hought a new EV. When he looked at the distance and the hours he'd spend on charge it was a non starter
Internal combustion engine serving vs EV. EV- just a visual inspection and top up the washer bottle. ICE-Replace engine oil and filter plus visual inspection, possibly fuel filter and air filter aswell, maybe transmission service depending on mileage.
Remember car companies still have employee lease schemes. The employee leases a new vehicle for 9 months then they replace it. The employee gets a huge discount and the manufacturer gets to pre register vehicles before re-sale to massage new cars 'sold'. You can't do more than 7,000 miles. I'm assuming they still have these schemes because there's a lot of MGs for sale, April 23, registered with less than 5,000 miles.
Hi Barrie, you seem like a decent bloke and your completly entitiled to your opinion. I personally drive own / drive both.. EV for urban / town and ICE for motorway. This balances everything out for myself. Everyones circumstances are different. Tired of people moaning about range anxiety or battery life. (Most of these people have never driven an EV) Charge your dam battery and plan yuor route properly or get both types of vehicle! Both ICE and EV cars will develop faults and will require servicing. Too many so called experts out there! Each to their own!
'Charge your dam battery and plan yuor route properly' I plan to drive my car wherever and whenever I want. Not the other way around. And I never have to worry about range or charging times - most people want nothing to do with that. Hence the need for the mandates and subsidies to force these things on everyone. 'each to their own' would be great, lose the mandates, pay for your EV and chargers yourself, and you won't hear anyone complain.
A battery is a battery. My iPhone pro max has 100% after 1.5 years because I follow good practise for battery’s. Keep between 20-80% Never wireless charge Never speed charge So on an EV the range is for full battery, when in reality you only use 60% capacity to keep the battery healthy, and the best range is in the 80% plus charge which you shouldn’t do. You also should ONLY use the 7.5kw home charger 1 for cost 2 for battery health. This makes EVs completely unrealistic for my use.
That company with the 15 vehicles listed for sale - why do all but one show no registration plate? Is it to stop potential customers making their own basic checks on DVLA?
Like your comment." THE REASON THEY COVER" Reg. Plates. " To stop you doing a "HPI STATUS CHECK". They will be on a " STOCKING FINANCE LOAN" the lender generally put vehicles they have interest in "ON HPI". No money, running on borrowed finance.
Yeah one dealer and Toyota will give a battery health reading but why is it not part of the details required on all adverts? On a separate Autotrader item what happened to the fuel economy readings that you used to see displayed? Happy New Year Barrie one swallow does not make a summer 7 rumour has it ta the UK Government as well as the EU will push the EV mandate back to 2035 or even 2040 to avoid huge layoffs or/and Bankruptcies?
Not heard of that. Usually UK govt announce this sort of thing, then it turns out that its an announcement of intention and they never actually do it. If there is actually legislation does it say how dealers should calculate the soc since most cars don't give this?
Battery state of health, what's the cut off percentage to buy and scrap the car. Must be a big scam industry changing the batter health, like the ODO like they do now.
Barry there is another buyers remorse problem. I’ve tried a few EVs on the public charger network. Now these vehicles all have charging rates of 150kWh so you should get 120 miles or 40kWh of charging in about 15 to 20 minutes. But there is a small thing the batteries charging profile. It depends when the manufacturers decide how long and when in the charge state the maximum charge occurs. I have no experience with Teslas but from what I have experienced and seen a 40kW charge seems to take 40 minutes. The sweet spot for charging seems different for each vehicle but for the cars I’ve charged 20 to 80 % has a much longer average charge time than those advertised. The problem is masked by home charging as those with driveways use public charging rarely and if they do they tend to charge when low to get home.
Would be interesting to see braking distances between an EV and its equivalent ice car, something like a cooper ice vs a cooper EV, If something is heavier it takes longer to slow down. To match the ice car it will need wider and softer compound tyres which obviously cost more to replace.
An independant battery SOH not reliant on the EV manufacturers interpretation of the data via its proprietry software would reassure buyers in the same way mileage is important in establishing vehicle values. The general public needs to be reassured about the technogy and educated about good charging practice for the different battery chemistries to maximise the lifetime of these very expensive and complex purchases.
Regen braking isn't that good! When the battery is full the regen is barely noticeable even when you have in B MODE rather than D MODE. You're still using your mechanical brakes mainly to stop. Once a week in any car you should try a hard stop when it's safe to do so to keep your brakes in order, but you should always maintain your brakes and replace the discs and pads when required. If you have discs and pads replaced at Kwik Fit they will keep replacing them when worn for free as long as you own the vehicle.! All the main dealers will give you a free brake check and if you have let them change your oil, they give free top ups until the next oil change.
You're wasting your time arguing. You and I know the only true test of a battery is discharge it, fully charge it and then road test it. If you've used OBD you know half the time it's just the ecu's best guess. I've rarely plugged a car in and got the actual fault handed to me.
love the channel Barry , it obvious EV where always born to fail, get rid of the ICE cars and eventually the common man can't afford to drive if there are any manufactures left, all part of the control and the man made climate change bull !
Most of these EVangelists are paid for mutants and or bots pushing that EVs are brilliant. A neighbour of mine has a 2 year old Mercedeq EQA EV. His first "service" cost over £500. He had issues with the brakes etc. And he also barely gets 150 miles worth of range and is loathed to turn on heater in cold weather or AC in hot weather as it reduces the mileage. He paid over £60K for the car and he would barely get £20K for it now.
Bàrrie Do look at RSEV who mostly b uy and sell teslas plus a few others. He said testing every battery was very time consuming and that nearly all drop off was within the first 15,000 then very little. Also the warranty you must remember is for eight years including battery. I don't know why testing battery is time consuming but it is all done remotely and may take time.
Look at how much condensation the car has around 23:10 . I see so many on motorway misted up, surely they can’t see naff all but not enough power to put blowers on 😂
Any dealer that doesn't know how to plug in a obdII reader and have the app to take the info into a mobile and print it out shouldn't be selling them because they are too lazy to do it! The full leaf spy app is only £12.99, the same as other battery apps. Its a warning not buy a car from them. The battery warranties are now 7 or 8 years! You don't have to worry about them byd is going to be 15 years. My Zoe has nearly 20K miles over 42 months and it's still at 100% the old nissan leafs went down but you can get them repaired it replaced cheaper than buying a replacement ice engine.
Does a EV cost considerably less to maintain than a ICE vehicle?. Yes absolutely without a shadow of doubt they require less maintenance and servicing.
@ Labour rate up for what?, a visual inspection?. I started my mechanical apprenticeship in 1999, 2012 I did the HV awareness and HV disconnect & isolation training, the next few years we had a trickle of plug in hybrids come through, by 2019 it was quite clear to me that EVs have so many advantages over internal combustion all except for charging convenience, which is now changing significantly. 2020 I decided that it another 30 years until I retire and by then I would of been out of a job by about 20 years with the way things are heading, it’s detrimental to my career plans but it’s also a change that needs to happen technologically. I moved careers but still keep up to date with cars, next month I booked myself into a training course to complete cert4 on battery electric vehicle repair and maintenance just as a backup so I’m not out of touch with things. We are 100% going to full EV whether you like it or not.
@ Oh and a lot of main dealerships will shut up there showrooms and workshops, buying will be done online and maintenance will be at a repair hub to make it a financially viable business plan due to the significantly reduced maintenance schedules and repairs required, multiple manufacturers under one roof.
Barry look at the Kia soul advert This car has a 27kWh batterry Look at the charge times Up to 100% 4 hours 30 minutes so on a 7kW charger the rate of charge is 6kWh so the customer already has 15% longer charge time than he would expect Top up charge 30 miles = 7kWh Full charge up to 80% at 50 kW (rapid 30 minutes) the charge time here is for a 21.6kWh charge which averages 43.2kWh optimum. A Quick Look on zap map shows charging times of 36 minutes to 80% an average charging rate of 32.4 kWh Now there are 2 buyers remorse problems here with slow charging 1 cheap EV tariffs have limited time allowed to charge your EV as batterry sizes increase the percentage charged on the 5 hour cheap rate becomes less if it was a 39 kWh it would take 2 nights to charge to full. This means that when people look at the EV running costs it may be much higher. 2 if you have to use a public charger you have to sit at it much longer. Many areas where I live the EV infra is detached from supermarkets.
@@BarrieCramptonTrue that you can change the oil easily, but if it’s full of wear metals from bearings and piston rings, you might be buying a badly worn engine without knowing it. Not hating on you BTW, it’s interesting to hear the viewpoint of someone with a lot of market experience. I just find it interesting how differently ICE and EVs are talked about, when in fact there are more ways in which they’re similar than different.
Pretty impossible to tell the state of the average 7000 cells that comprise an EV traction battery... 7000 individual cells and 14,000 connections - what could possibly go wrong. Failure of 1 cell puts extra strain on other cells in its group. Even if individual cells can be replaced( dangerous and expensive ) - the remaining cells are all the same age as the failed ones.
Car companies don’t pass on the full battery warranty I’m reliably informed they the makers of the battery packs give car dealers a10 yr warranty but only offer a five year warranty to the customers
My laptop battery works fine until it gets to about 40%, then it runs to 0% in a few minutes. Batteries dont always discharge linearly. The predicted range when fully charged is no measure of battery health.
to be fair, it's kind of difficult to know the battery condition of all thousands of cells of a single battery pack. And there's no unified way the batteries are designed with over capacity in mind or not and the data reported and analyzed by the software. Also, the chemistry is very important yet never mentioned in ads. Buying a second hand EV is like buying a second hand graphics card or second hand SSD. Unless you have the full history of the device (and even with that), you're effectively buying costly junk that can fail at anytime and leave you out of pocket of a hefty sum of money.
Even items like the inverter will not last long term and will be extortionatately expensive, on established equipment they still just die suddenly and they've being in production for decades, industrial welders etc. Semiconductors subjected to high shock loads and temperature swings, when you accelerate a cold car hard will fail sooner or later and cost thousands to repair.
Tesla not only makes their battery lifespan data public but a Tesla owner can see battery degradation data right on their screen. There have been multiple studies on Tesla battery degradation: "How long does a Tesla battery last? The data shows that a typical Tesla battery will last in excess of 10 years. We say this with some degree of confidence because even the 10-year-old batteries were still delivering around 80% of the original range." "According to The Cool Down, a site that reports on businesses related to climate change, Tesla’s Model S and Model X batteries degrade, on average, only 12% after 200,000 miles" A Tesla Model S 90D from Chesterfield, UK, was recently featured in an AutoTrader segment for its remarkable story. Bought in 2016, the premium all-electric sedan has been used as an airport taxi for years. But despite its years of extensive use, the Model S 90D has managed to keep its original battery pack and electric motors - even after a whopping 430,000 miles on the odometer.
A reputable EV channel like out of spec shows that there are significant battery degradation issues, plenty of examples of 10% degradation after a few years on multiple Teslas. The degradation usually happens quite quickly but then the rate of degradation declines after that. Same for VW's. All batteries fail at some point, its in their chemistry.
They make it sound like brakes are some big saving my mum's car had some noise though it was the pads $30 and about 20 minutes and they were swapped out. really it wasn't the pads it was a build up of crud but being nearly 100k km figured already in there why not and there was still minimal wear, Also people need to learn that batteries don't degrade linearly, they slowly degrade till they hit their cycle life then start degrading faster and faster. And that is under normal conditions constant use of fast charging reduces the lifespan as well as extreme discharging IE repeated launches like drag racing the car
My model Y has 260k miles and model 3 has 170k. No issues 😅 my family and I use them both for long distance travels a dozen or so times a year (I’m retired at 32, you guessed it Tesla stock) If you buy an EV that isn’t a Tesla you are Truely the greatest form of a fool.
The battery diagnostics can easily be manipulated with the software. It's not like VW manipulated its emissions in the past etc.
In Queensland Australia just the other day......the power company remotely turned off people's air conditioning units(using smart meters) because the grid couldn't handle the consumption. If the power network can't handle the existing power usage....how will it cope with power hungry EV's. The change to majority EV's will not happen, there are not enough material resources or power resources to make it happen.
Not everyone is meant to own a car, they want car ownership to drastically go down.
Agenda 2030: 15 minute smart city initiative
It's why they push smart meters and smart chargers....they can turn you off when they want and be selective about what and when they turn off. Air con and EV charging are the first to go OFF.
Genuine question: I can see how a power supplier could shut off all power to a customer, but how can they manage to shut down just a customer's AC unit and leave everything else running?
@@daviddaw999By throttling back supply, the power thirsty units will be the first to shut down.
@daviddaw999 A smart meter knows what is on and off and talks to any newish device connected to it , so it can turn off any of those devices it's in communication with. With a car it knows the make ,model ,battery type ,charge rate ,level as all info is accessible via smart chargers ....smart meters are using a mesh WiFi system to also talk to all the other smart meters in the area....all connected.
100%... It would be easy for manufacturers to show battery condition on the instrument pack.
They want to hide it for good reason.
They would lie anyway, same as VW with the emissions
It would also be easy for that information to be incorrect.
Bullshit, nissan leaf does show battery condition. Also very easy to check the battery using an obd reader.
To be honest it's not something you'd need 99% of the time
The same with the adblue. Dealer people act as if it doesn't exist, only downsides to talk about it, so they pretend the sun is shining when it's raining
My greatest fear would be an EV bursting into flames and me not being able to get out because the doors won't open.
Seen the new Tesla has a manual door lever.
So true, there’s definitely a future and asbestos underwear.
Too many electric vehicles are bursting into flames and trapping the occupants inside.
All model 3s do and I'm guessing the Y does as well
@@benregler9872 if you’re talking about the manual release handles you’re correct though in some models but they always hit away and you have to know where they are
This of course is not convenient after having an accident trying to remember how to get to the manual release and there was no manual release on the outside so if anyone tries to help anyone with an EV and get them out of a burning vehicle tough .
I’ve actually started carrying out a glass hammer just in case to be able to help someone out.
@@thekitowl It will soon have a ICE engine in it as well :)
Ev cars as disposable as Kleenex and yet fools still buy them…I love watching proud new ev owners begin to realise what crap they paid a fortune for.
The frame and motors could be durable but the battery is mounted directly into the frame meaning its amlost impossible to replace the battery without cutting the car apart. The cars are disposable by design.
EV SCAM!😅
@@supernova743...and worthless...😊
There are EVs and then there are Teslas. You clearly don’t know the difference 😅
@@Deanbeyers1984lmao😂i’ve seen plenty of tesla blocking roads when they run flat
Imagine trying to sell a £5k second hand car with a 3 gallon fuel tank and a small filling hole that takes 40 minutes to fill up. This vehicle type is only of use as a city commuter where the owner can charge at home.
Disclaimer: I have owned a small EV since 2019 and it’s a great city commuter, but it’s certainly not the sole transport solution.
Absolutely. It's the right car for the right job. If you do a fair bit of commuter driving mostly and pay for your own fuel. EV's are a good and cheap fuel (if you do not buy new) way to do it.
People will tend to get nasty when facts are presented to them bringing to light their poor uneducated decisions in committing to massive depreciation. It's a hard one to suck up
Then you've nothing to worry about have you. People waste money on depreciating cars all the time, including petrol and diesel. Very few cars are an investment. So if you have a banger and it runs, great for you. Your save money and don't buy any car above a few thousand. Otherwise ignore you and splash out the dosh on whatever car you like.
As soon as someone resorts to name calling, it proves they have the mentality of a child, and they've lost the argument. Happy New Year, Barrie, and keep up the good work.
Notice that even if the battery status is displayed (Tesla for example), it's usually just the maximum charge available (in percentage) compared to new specifications. Even at 80% or 90% a battery could die suddenly due to a single cell malfunctionning. A single cell. And you have no cue before it die. Could happen at any point.
Notice that replacing a battery (for a brand new one) could cost the price of a brand new EV, and that's no mistake.
Nearly every battery failure after warranty lead to a economically totaled vehicle, it's throwable, not maintainable.
You have to understand that % is based on battery voltage. Range estimates are estimates for current usage. So if you tow, drive uphill or use the heaters/ac it will dramatically affect range.
Most in the past didn't want to buy overly complicated ice cars due to a similar style of issue.
Don't buy that big merc saloon, the electric loom degrades. It's a 12k replacement price.
Don't buy that BMW the push rods go and turn the engine to scrap, 9k used replacement.
As far as I see this is the ev equivalent and if a product doesn't hold its value in used market due to these liabilities then I don't blame people from staying away.
Of course replacing an ICE engine is going to be cheap too? Battery cells are individual units that make up the whole battery pack. Each one can be replaced if you have the training. Last year my local Mercedes garage had staff trained to do exactly that. Why would an entire battery need replacing? As for reliability most manufacturers give longer warranties on batteries than they do on ICE. BMW for example gives 3 years on ICE cars and 7 on battery for EVs.
@gerryparker7699 depends on the engine in question of course.
The example I used regarding the push rods was a m3 engine which of course is a bit more specialist.
But if you say they can individually replace cells feom the skateboard designed evs then ill do the research to see how effective and cheap that could possibly be. 🤔
But yeah I don't think the warranty should the total measuring stick.
Regarding the watch ⌚️ trade a mechanical watch and a quartz watch might have similar warranty periods but a quality mechanical watch, if well looked after, will out live a quartz by quite a margin.
Many hybrids ( Outlander PHEV for ) one) being written off as battery at 70% health which is end of days for a hybrid effectively. If under 7 years you can claim on warranty,if over then your car is worthless junk. Saving the planet one lithium battery in landfill at a time ,comical.
So true, it’s time to stop buying up late model internal combustion engine pad vehicles and keep them for another five years maybe two and sell them for a good profit.
Barrie - can you do a video on Electric vans and how they are not selling and what the typical range is for a transit sized van.
I been informed that it is approximately 100 miles 😮😮😮😮😮😮
Think I can help effective range from 80 to 120 miles If you remember Luton in the last month announced production of commercial would be moved to Ellsmere Point in Cheshire unless you are doing local deliveries you can not use a van will the company allow you to spend 3 hours a day waiting to charge the car. British Gas has returned all the Electric vans and are returing to ICE vehicles
Check out Tony's EV car-nage channel. He's driven lots of EV vans & even empty the range is pathetic.
@@andyhobbs2812 So only good if you do local deliveries then and not City to City deliveries. Would be interesting to see what large companies have bought an electric van fleet and then changed their mind in addition to British Gas.
100 miles un loaded max . Most around 60 if you lucky .
Since EVs where launched, profits in tyre companies have increased! Good news for tyre manufacturers!
Coffee sales at locations with public charging have gone through the roof! Good news for coffee producers!
Positive enough?
Instead of profits for massive petrochemical companies. Yeh I think that's better for most people.
@ Out of range, out of electric, stuck out in the middle of nowhere freezing this winter in an EV! Convinced by the elites, buying an EV was the right thing to do, not realising it is all a plot to deprive the middle class of mobility, money and ultimately control! Then if only it would set itself on fire! All evidence destroyed!
50k miles on ev tyres now. They using better compounds.
@ No oil! No rubber or plastics! No diesel, no excavators to dig up lithium for EVs.
I am in the trade and get involved with EV’s. A trader we deal with buys ‘ no miles ‘ EV’s and when we received his latest batch of 4 vans we questioned the delivery driver. He told us there were thousands of EV’s in a compound registered but never been on the road, all with minimal mileage. He spends all his days delivering to small traders. This latest batch cost between £11500-£15000 and are sold for a small profit. Keep up the good work of telling the truth.
Just as it is possible to clock a car
I'm sure that it will be possible to clock a battery just remember trust nothing that you hear and only half of what you see
Yes. The BMS (battery management system) has flash memory built in to record cycles, charging limits, faults and other data.
For an engineer, it wouldn't be too difficult to connect a logic analyser to the memory chip in question and grab the data format directly at circuit board level.
Once the data acquisition is complete, it's just a case of modifying the data and writing a new set of values to it. The next level would be to encorporate that data format into software so it can be done to multiple modules at the click of a mouse.
Modern CAN bus systems in cars have open networks which are not hard to read. It's how the OBD work with universal tools.
Any modern car.
All electric batteries degrade over time. Construction tools show this to be a fact.
250k model S has 77% left and that’s old tech from a early EV. Construction tools don’t have BMS or thermal management
@mattx4253 ..but they still degrade.
@ everything degrades. Most petrol engines die without ever getting to 100k miles. It’s also possible that future batteries won’t degrade at all. The dendrite problem has been solved. Solid state batteries are here already. Engine development is finished.
@@mattx4253 Really odd how those that say EVs aren't the future, don't actually look at the rate of development of EV by comparison to ICE cars.
Not providing Battery condition is like having no service stamps or book... Id avoid any EV without a full battery condition certificate.. and even then id like to know what the guarantees were, like gov certificate approved the claims was true.. only thing in an EV that really matters is the battery
Don’t intend to buy a EV but this channel is excellent at bringing the receipts to the EV argument.
Positive content: Electric motors and their increasing efficiency. Use in hybrid drivetrains.
However, it is much easier to find examples of how electric motors are being misused and forced onto the public.
The trouble with the evangelists is that they don't understand battery technology and its development. They always say the next big thing is just around the corner because of some start-up offering something borderline impossible in the search for funding.
The EV evangelists come across as hyper aggressive or extremely defensive. Makes you think they know at some level their position is on shaky ground.
Guy bought a Tesla Model S in 2019 a 75d battery with 304 miles range (official) now with 107,000 miles on it the range has reduced to 106 miles so his wife uses it on the school run and he’s taken her Mini Countryman diesel to use and clock up some stress free driving.
You may be right but most EV do not loose that sort of range any more. Mine hasn't after 4 years and 48K.
5 years ago a had to replace the gearbox in a brand new Mercedes GLE, I suppose using that example I shouldn’t buy anything with a gearbox then.
That's what EVs are ok for- school runs and local shopping.
A gearbox isn't a guaranteed failure over 10 to 15 years, most EVs are useless by that age. @@Piecenotwar
@@JonathanTyas It was a sarcastic example.
You are just dribbling shit.
EV Heavyweight all the time, gas and diesel less weight as you go simple Barrie , Government wants us off the road or controlled
Just love your videos. I just wish I were as poorly educated as you in the industry. We should all be so lucky. Keep up the great work.
Thank you so much, Happy New Year 👍
Barrie, Just wondering the state of battery may say one thing .But will these batteries really start failing like a cordless drill one , ie with little warning 👀
Yes, exactly like that. There are many many videos on YT describing the situation well.
Hi Barrie. Love the channel. My thought is that you are getting close to the truth if you are getting threatened otherwise they won’t bother. Keep up the good work.
Yes. In the medical side, there’s a 77th Brigade funded unit (British Army Intelligence Unit) who act in packs as needed to “dog pile” people on social media. If anybody gets close to the truth about c*vid and maxines, watch they swing into action and start badmouthing targeted people. They are the pits.
I’ve no reason to doubt that similar things exist in this lie zone, too.
The old saying applies. You only get serious flak if you’re over the target.
Your comments on EV brakes are absolutely right, I've even seen it on the back of lighter cars with rear discs ie VW polo, the rear discs rust regardless of how hard you use them, they just aren't worked hard enough. Hence things like ID3s moving to drums. Cheaper and more suitable for light use.
Happy New Year Barrie. I hope you got out for a drink last night. You have worked really hard this week
Common sense.
Thank you very much!
the name calling means someone is hitting a really sore spot and the nutters got nothing to counter with. That's what winning looks like 💪
I wish everyone a Barrie new year! 💫
Stop concentrating on the haters.........ignore them. Keep going with the facts on electric cars. You are up against the might of advertisers and PR agencies all trying to promote a flawed product for most people...and certainly private buyers.
"Stop concentrating on the haters", by ignoring them? Isn't that what haters do? They just listen to their own echo chambers of likeminded people and close off their minds to others. As for the accuracy of facts. I think it depends on where you get them from. If you are happy to go with hearsay rather than from people who live with EV's then you wont get a balance picture.
90 mile range 🤣. Who in their right mind would spend over 4 grand on a car that only does 90 mile . EV The future 🤣
Lucky them my 5 bar degradation loss 30 kwhr leaf, now only has 60 miles range lol.
@@FredFox-m9v Just like the first ICE cars replaced horses over a few decades so EVs will replace most petrol cars.
gerry. they are not up to the job apart from local journeys really. Something massive will have to change and I suspect that it won't be battery technology. Lithium ion batteries came out in 1991 and after 33 years of development they are still nowhere near as good as ice, especially on long journeys and towing and hopeless for vans, commercial, vehicles, lorries etc
How do battery age?.
Is it time?
Is it amount times it been charged?
Is amount times it's been charged and discharged?
Does it age by getting to hot or cold?
it depends on charging higher charging current means shorter life. If the car has been charged at home on a low rate charger it will be in better condition than a low mileage car charged on high rated chargers (everything else being equal)
@domingodesantaclara1130it’s already written in agenda 2030 they will charge all cars per mile 😂
@paulrnaylor All of the above
All of the above. Heat is anmajor issue but charging and discharging will cause heat regardless of enviromental conditions.
@domingodesantaclara1130Solid state batteries are going into limited production. In theory they could be 10 times as energy dense, but twice as energy dense is certainly likely.
🎉 Happy new year Barrie
I genuinely considered a used EV last year when i was looking for a moderate priced car. One I remember investigating was a used crap spec Nissan Leaf. I live in a rural area so a decent shopping trip for anything other than groceries can be a 40-50 mile round trip. The Nissan Leaf was a short range version to start with and the battery condition was down to about 80%. Factoring in cold weather it was debatable whether it could do the journey without a further charge, another few years and it might be useless to me. Deep charge/ discharge cycles shorten the life of batteries so a car with a small capacity battery is likely to degrade faster. (No-one ever mentions this).
I am not paranoic about battery degradation, to some extent of course it goes on even when the vehicles are not in use. More and more refurbishers are rebuilding battery packs (admittedly mostly using used cells) so the price of an OEM battery is largely irrelevant. Lies being told from either "side" of the argument are not helpful.
obviously, it's not about the environment it's all about control
I enjoy your EV commentary as it's facts based, not subjective. Whereas your doubters just lambast you, but not what you've said 🤷
Exactly 😂
If the battery condition was indeed added to adverts for EV’s would be great. But could we believe the results, I worked for a well known vehicle dealership, i was the guy sent to pull out the car that had been stood in the compound (airfield) mostly had to use a jump pack to get these vehicles to start ran them upto the work shop for PDI . The tech as part of his PDI check had to run a battery status check the tool he used printed a small receipt that was stapled to the paperwork of the vehicle he was working on. Because his results were far from perfect he had a battery on his bench that was always on charge so gave him a very good result🤷♂️
If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force their sale.
He's selling it as a trade sale because he knows the battery is cooked, he knows a customer with the consumer act on their side would get on his case. No doubt the local paper might run a story.
Selling it to another trader is shifting the problem off his lot to some unsuspecting used dealer to get stung for a new battery.
In the old days sellers could put heavy oil in the engine to hide worn parts. Sawdust in transmissions to get a few miles extra.
Many tricks in the old days.
Now it is hard to hide worn parts.
Battery prices will explode (pardon the pun) soon. There just aren’t enough mines to deal with the rare earth elements needed, and demand will grow massively as the mandates take effect. It takes 10-15 years for new mines to come online, so there will be such a shortage of minerals that supply and demand means the prices will soar!
But having said that, governments are winding down all the discounts EV owners get; so maybe demand might drop a bit, even with the mandates.
The last new phone i got was 2018. Now on an old, but previously unused Samsung S10.
It seems disengenuous to show the range in Kilometers, why ? Has the UK ditched miles ? should they not show the range in miles, for example the speed limit in the UK is related to mph not to kph, just seems strange honestly.
Appreciate the videos and wish you a happy new year Barrie.
Maybe with a mile being 1.6km expressing it in km gives the gullible the impression of much bigger range? 😉
@@angleseyandy9110 My thoughts exactly Andy......used to live not far from Anglesey by the way !!
@@AnthonyJones-vk6xq you ain't missing much...
Hi
I not long ago spent 8000 on a c class estate it suits my needs perfectly and is economical to run. If I had spent the same on an EV yes it woul likely be newer but have a battery that is around 6 years old and would not be able to do what I need a vehicle to do other than get me to work and back. The range is not so much a problem I just don't want an unpredictable fire hazard on my drive. Also there is no way I can tell if the battery has been sensibly charged or regularly fast charged and therefore due to die early
I own a 30kwhr leaf with 42% and 5 battery bar degradation. According to EVangelists all other lithium ion batteries other than the leaf don't appreciably degrade. We all know the management system on a leaf is the worst but a leaf is also the oldest and one of the smallest batteries out there and suffers more cyclical use loss because of it. Time will be their educator with the evil mistress that degradation is lol. I have learned my lesson in EV school and won't be buying another one.
My 140k 30kwh leaf has 11 bars.. I think you've got unlucky with the previous owner.
I am the only owner, the previous owner was the Sunderland Nissan plant. It has been looked after as advised. Mine is 9 years old on March 1st.
@@FredFox-m9v have you had the battery firmware update? If your firmware ends with a 4a or 4b it needs an update to 4c of your on 6a or 6b you're fine.
it went in a few years ago for an update ?
@@FredFox-m9v Worth a punt just in case it hadn't been done. Shame you couldn't claim under the warranty.
These "Trade Sellers " whose business is loosing money , have themselves to credit for this. In the motor trade you do not keep buying when been you have lost money on previous cars. They have acumulated these lemons over time . " Take the losses SELL and do not repeat mistake.
Keep up the good work mate 👍
Thanks, will do!
Another problem I found with mine was the components around the battery pack are only three years and quite costly when needing something
Over £4000 for a car that only has a range of 90 miles 😂 who are they trying to kid, top video as always Barry, keep telling Facts about this EV nonsense 👍
I am an electrician and one of our customers has got a tesla, 2019 had it since new, it's done 52k miles and has had to have a new battery, luckily it was done under warranty, he asked the garage what it would of costed him an they said battery 20k plus vat and fitting. The car is only worth about 17k. That would be a 52 thousand mile write off, uneconomical to repair.
The dealership told him it is quite rare for the battery to need replacing but they have done a few of them.
Rare, but when they do happen it will be a guaranteed scrap heap car. Cars a written off for just being in accidents, no insurer will ever be the fall guy putting a potential hazard on the road risking getting sued 6 feet into the ground
@rosen9425 he was just pleased they covered it under warranty, be honest who is going risk buying an EV out of warranty unless it cheap enough to throw away when it goes wrong.
@@ADYDRURY1234
For sure. imo there's just too much potential crap going on with EVs, some of it is literally life threatening in a finger snap. I'm personally not stoked on risking my life a tiny bit for some virtue signaling. Certainly not going to pay money for it
@rosen9425 I won't even buy a used mobile phone unless it's off family or a close friend who has owned it from new and that's only about £200. Not a chance I would risk 1000s on a used ev without a warranty. I also don't like wasting my life sitting around in shit hole carparks waiting for a poxy box on wheels to charge back up. Nothing in life is worth sitting in bloody carparks for.
@@rosen9425the Macmaster has just had his car & house insurance nullified because his EV might catch fire on his drive.
I have watched EV cleevely channel for years for years and his content looked good his MG service cars doen 150,000 miles but seen a video of a MG E4 or E5 and they are hiding issues love the channel
Anyone looking at getting a new ev should contact independent t specialists and ask the price to replace a battery on the model in quesrion.
HAPPY NEW YEAR BARRIE, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO. EVs are shite🤫🫡🏴🏴🏴
Thank you
They are good in very specific use cases. E. g. if you live on an island which banned internal combustion engines, have a wall outlet and produce your own energy at home with solar panels and don't drive far enough to have the need to recharge. 🤔
How much would it cost to replace the batteries?
People I know that have an EV/hybrid = 2
number of them that will buy another EV = 0
If it's a trade sale it means they don't want to give a warranty on it surely?
Also who in the world would spend 4.5K on something that only does 50 miles?
How often does that person check landfill?
Range anxiety is less of a factor, assuming you don’t buy something big like an ID,4 and pair it with the smaller sized battery. Infrastructure anxiety is a major concern, especially in rural areas that only have local authority chargers. The only fast charger in my town has been out of action for around 3 years. The council were supposed to install 4 new rapid chargers in 2023 and none of the projects have started. Not a chance there will be sufficient infrastructure in place for with the govt forces us all down the ev route.
Read it, Totally agree with you
As always very interesting.
Glad you think so!
An old friend contacted me two years ago to say he's in NE France and would like to " pop over" to visit it me in Brittany.
He'd just hought a new EV.
When he looked at the distance and the hours he'd spend on charge it was a non starter
Internal combustion engine serving vs EV.
EV- just a visual inspection and top up the washer bottle.
ICE-Replace engine oil and filter plus visual inspection, possibly fuel filter and air filter aswell, maybe transmission service depending on mileage.
Remember car companies still have employee lease schemes. The employee leases a new vehicle for 9 months then they replace it. The employee gets a huge discount and the manufacturer gets to pre register vehicles before re-sale to massage new cars 'sold'. You can't do more than 7,000 miles. I'm assuming they still have these schemes because there's a lot of MGs for sale, April 23, registered with less than 5,000 miles.
Over heated clutch and brake linings have a very distinctive smell.
Hi Barrie, you seem like a decent bloke and your completly entitiled to your opinion. I personally drive own / drive both.. EV for urban / town and ICE for motorway. This balances everything out for myself. Everyones circumstances are different. Tired of people moaning about range anxiety or battery life. (Most of these people have never driven an EV) Charge your dam battery and plan yuor route properly or get both types of vehicle! Both ICE and EV cars will develop faults and will require servicing. Too many so called experts out there! Each to their own!
'Charge your dam battery and plan yuor route properly' I plan to drive my car wherever and whenever I want. Not the other way around. And I never have to worry about range or charging times - most people want nothing to do with that. Hence the need for the mandates and subsidies to force these things on everyone.
'each to their own' would be great, lose the mandates, pay for your EV and chargers yourself, and you won't hear anyone complain.
A battery is a battery.
My iPhone pro max has 100% after 1.5 years because I follow good practise for battery’s.
Keep between 20-80%
Never wireless charge
Never speed charge
So on an EV the range is for full battery, when in reality you only use 60% capacity to keep the battery healthy, and the best range is in the 80% plus charge which you shouldn’t do.
You also should ONLY use the 7.5kw home charger 1 for cost 2 for battery health.
This makes EVs completely unrealistic for my use.
That company with the 15 vehicles listed for sale - why do all but one show no registration plate? Is it to stop potential customers making their own basic checks on DVLA?
Like your comment." THE REASON THEY COVER" Reg. Plates. " To stop you doing a "HPI STATUS CHECK". They will be on a " STOCKING FINANCE LOAN" the lender generally put vehicles they have interest in "ON HPI". No money, running on borrowed finance.
Yeah one dealer and Toyota will give a battery health reading but why is it not part of the details required on all adverts? On a separate Autotrader item what happened to the fuel economy readings that you used to see displayed?
Happy New Year Barrie one swallow does not make a summer 7 rumour has it ta the UK Government as well as the EU will push the EV mandate back to 2035 or even 2040 to avoid huge layoffs or/and Bankruptcies?
Here's some positive content Baz on EVs....How about scrapping the whole lot of them, and just using ice cars ...
The new law that comes Into play dealers have to show the S.O.H of the battery on used cars here in the uk.
Not heard of that. Usually UK govt announce this sort of thing, then it turns out that its an announcement of intention and they never actually do it. If there is actually legislation does it say how dealers should calculate the soc since most cars don't give this?
You seem pretty smart to me.
Thank you 👍
When do cover the EMF issue
He previously mentioned that people fitted with pacemakers should not go near an EV.
I wonder if dealers mention that to potential buyers?
Could be a big claim one day... Test case etc... set a legal precedent...
Battery state of health, what's the cut off percentage to buy and scrap the car.
Must be a big scam industry changing the batter health, like the ODO like they do now.
He's got the laptop, mouse and calculator..
Someone sort him a mousepad 😂
I noticed him struggling with it too.
Batteries aren’t getting bigger. If anything they’re getting smaller to keep the prices down
My EV has covered 132k miles and has a battery health of 89% , Tesla model 3 long range .
Barry there is another buyers remorse problem. I’ve tried a few EVs on the public charger network. Now these vehicles all have charging rates of 150kWh so you should get 120 miles or 40kWh of charging in about 15 to 20 minutes. But there is a small thing the batteries charging profile. It depends when the manufacturers decide how long and when in the charge state the maximum charge occurs. I have no experience with Teslas but from what I have experienced and seen a 40kW charge seems to take 40 minutes. The sweet spot for charging seems different for each vehicle but for the cars I’ve charged 20 to 80 % has a much longer average charge time than those advertised. The problem is masked by home charging as those with driveways use public charging rarely and if they do they tend to charge when low to get home.
Would be interesting to see braking distances between an EV and its equivalent ice car, something like a cooper ice vs a cooper EV, If something is heavier it takes longer to slow down. To match the ice car it will need wider and softer compound tyres which obviously cost more to replace.
An independant battery SOH not reliant on the EV manufacturers interpretation of the data via its proprietry software would reassure buyers in the same way mileage is important in establishing vehicle values.
The general public needs to be reassured about the technogy and educated about good charging practice for the different battery chemistries to maximise the lifetime of these very expensive and complex purchases.
Regen braking isn't that good! When the battery is full the regen is barely noticeable even when you have in B MODE rather than D MODE.
You're still using your mechanical brakes mainly to stop. Once a week in any car you should try a hard stop when it's safe to do so to keep your brakes in order, but you should always maintain your brakes and replace the discs and pads when required. If you have discs and pads replaced at Kwik Fit they will keep replacing them when worn for free as long as you own the vehicle.! All the main dealers will give you a free brake check and if you have let them change your oil, they give free top ups until the next oil change.
Does your Internal Combustion Engine require servicing?.
Yes, around every 10,000 miles or annually, whichever comes first.
You're wasting your time arguing. You and I know the only true test of a battery is discharge it, fully charge it and then road test it. If you've used OBD you know half the time it's just the ecu's best guess. I've rarely plugged a car in and got the actual fault handed to me.
Even my phone records this information and then assesses its battery condition. Why cant an ev?
@@bikeman123 Let me know what you find after 40 years in the motor repair business.
love the channel Barry , it obvious EV where always born to fail, get rid of the ICE cars and eventually the common man can't afford to drive if there are any manufactures left, all part of the control and the man made climate change bull !
Don't let a dead EV go to waste! Dump it outside parliament and give Mossad a ring!
Most of these EVangelists are paid for mutants and or bots pushing that EVs are brilliant.
A neighbour of mine has a 2 year old Mercedeq EQA EV. His first "service" cost over £500. He had issues with the brakes etc.
And he also barely gets 150 miles worth of range and is loathed to turn on heater in cold weather or AC in hot weather as it reduces the mileage.
He paid over £60K for the car and he would barely get £20K for it now.
Yes they are government employees pushing the disinformation they are paid to push. It’s completely pathetic.
I love my EV. Cheap as chips to run and goes like a Ferrari😂
Question if an ev car is left standing for two years is the battery suffering,,?
Mines ok..8 year warrenty on it.
Barry you are educating me on how crap EVs are. I will stick with my BMW. No indicators though 🤓
Bàrrie Do look at RSEV who mostly b uy and sell teslas plus a few others. He said testing every battery was very time consuming and that nearly all drop off was within the first 15,000 then very little. Also the warranty you must remember is for eight years including battery. I don't know why testing battery is time consuming but it is all done remotely and may take time.
Look at how much condensation the car has around 23:10 . I see so many on motorway misted up, surely they can’t see naff all but not enough power to put blowers on 😂
Any dealer that doesn't know how to plug in a obdII reader and have the app to take the info into a mobile and print it out shouldn't be selling them because they are too lazy to do it! The full leaf spy app is only £12.99, the same as other battery apps. Its a warning not buy a car from them. The battery warranties are now 7 or 8 years! You don't have to worry about them byd is going to be 15 years. My Zoe has nearly 20K miles over 42 months and it's still at 100% the old nissan leafs went down but you can get them repaired it replaced cheaper than buying a replacement ice engine.
Does a EV cost considerably less to maintain than a ICE vehicle?.
Yes absolutely without a shadow of doubt they require less maintenance and servicing.
So the dealers put the labour rate up 😂
@ Labour rate up for what?, a visual inspection?.
I started my mechanical apprenticeship in 1999, 2012 I did the HV awareness and HV disconnect & isolation training, the next few years we had a trickle of plug in hybrids come through, by 2019 it was quite clear to me that EVs have so many advantages over internal combustion all except for charging convenience, which is now changing significantly.
2020 I decided that it another 30 years until I retire and by then I would of been out of a job by about 20 years with the way things are heading, it’s detrimental to my career plans but it’s also a change that needs to happen technologically.
I moved careers but still keep up to date with cars, next month I booked myself into a training course to complete cert4 on battery electric vehicle repair and maintenance just as a backup so I’m not out of touch with things.
We are 100% going to full EV whether you like it or not.
@ Oh and a lot of main dealerships will shut up there showrooms and workshops, buying will be done online and maintenance will be at a repair hub to make it a financially viable business plan due to the significantly reduced maintenance schedules and repairs required, multiple manufacturers under one roof.
Barry look at the Kia soul advert
This car has a 27kWh batterry
Look at the charge times
Up to 100% 4 hours 30 minutes so on a 7kW charger the rate of charge is 6kWh so the customer already has 15% longer charge time than he would expect
Top up charge 30 miles = 7kWh
Full charge up to 80% at 50 kW (rapid 30 minutes) the charge time here is for a 21.6kWh charge which averages 43.2kWh optimum.
A Quick Look on zap map shows charging times of 36 minutes to 80% an average charging rate of 32.4 kWh
Now there are 2 buyers remorse problems here with slow charging
1 cheap EV tariffs have limited time allowed to charge your EV as batterry sizes increase the percentage charged on the 5 hour cheap rate becomes less if it was a 39 kWh it would take 2 nights to charge to full. This means that when people look at the EV running costs it may be much higher.
2 if you have to use a public charger you have to sit at it much longer. Many areas where I live the EV infra is detached from supermarkets.
Why don’t all ICE vehicle sellers show an oil analysis report? I think we know the answer!
Yep because nobody cares, you can change the oil in 10 minutes for very little, a traction battery not so much 😂
@@BarrieCramptonTrue that you can change the oil easily, but if it’s full of wear metals from bearings and piston rings, you might be buying a badly worn engine without knowing it.
Not hating on you BTW, it’s interesting to hear the viewpoint of someone with a lot of market experience. I just find it interesting how differently ICE and EVs are talked about, when in fact there are more ways in which they’re similar than different.
Pretty impossible to tell the state of the average 7000 cells that comprise an EV traction battery... 7000 individual cells and 14,000 connections - what could possibly go wrong. Failure of 1 cell puts extra strain on other cells in its group. Even if individual cells can be replaced( dangerous and expensive ) - the remaining cells are all the same age as the failed ones.
And even if you do replace one it's then not balanced with the other 6999 cells in the pack. Very risky business repairing battery packs.
Car companies don’t pass on the full battery warranty I’m reliably informed they the makers of the battery packs give car dealers a10 yr warranty but only offer a five year warranty to the customers
My laptop battery works fine until it gets to about 40%, then it runs to 0% in a few minutes. Batteries dont always discharge linearly. The predicted range when fully charged is no measure of battery health.
to be fair, it's kind of difficult to know the battery condition of all thousands of cells of a single battery pack. And there's no unified way the batteries are designed with over capacity in mind or not and the data reported and analyzed by the software. Also, the chemistry is very important yet never mentioned in ads.
Buying a second hand EV is like buying a second hand graphics card or second hand SSD. Unless you have the full history of the device (and even with that), you're effectively buying costly junk that can fail at anytime and leave you out of pocket of a hefty sum of money.
Even items like the inverter will not last long term and will be extortionatately expensive, on established equipment they still just die suddenly and they've being in production for decades, industrial welders etc. Semiconductors subjected to high shock loads and temperature swings, when you accelerate a cold car hard will fail sooner or later and cost thousands to repair.
Tesla not only makes their battery lifespan data public but a Tesla owner can see battery degradation data right on their screen.
There have been multiple studies on Tesla battery degradation:
"How long does a Tesla battery last? The data shows that a typical Tesla battery will last in excess of 10 years. We say this with some degree of confidence because even the 10-year-old batteries were still delivering around 80% of the original range."
"According to The Cool Down, a site that reports on businesses related to climate change, Tesla’s Model S and Model X batteries degrade, on average, only 12% after 200,000 miles"
A Tesla Model S 90D from Chesterfield, UK, was recently featured in an AutoTrader segment for its remarkable story. Bought in 2016, the premium all-electric sedan has been used as an airport taxi for years. But despite its years of extensive use, the Model S 90D has managed to keep its original battery pack and electric motors - even after a whopping 430,000 miles on the odometer.
A reputable EV channel like out of spec shows that there are significant battery degradation issues, plenty of examples of 10% degradation after a few years on multiple Teslas. The degradation usually happens quite quickly but then the rate of degradation declines after that. Same for VW's. All batteries fail at some point, its in their chemistry.
They make it sound like brakes are some big saving my mum's car had some noise though it was the pads $30 and about 20 minutes and they were swapped out. really it wasn't the pads it was a build up of crud but being nearly 100k km figured already in there why not and there was still minimal wear,
Also people need to learn that batteries don't degrade linearly, they slowly degrade till they hit their cycle life then start degrading faster and faster. And that is under normal conditions constant use of fast charging reduces the lifespan as well as extreme discharging IE repeated launches like drag racing the car
My model Y has 260k miles and model 3 has 170k. No issues 😅 my family and I use them both for long distance travels a dozen or so times a year (I’m retired at 32, you guessed it Tesla stock)
If you buy an EV that isn’t a Tesla you are Truely the greatest form of a fool.
Retired at 32. There we go, rich mans toys. Enjoy your privilege most people barely can afford to dream about these days. The world is made for you
Thanks Elon..