Just finished listening to all of the Fall of Civilization podcasts, with Phoenicia being the most recent episode. Must be fate that you’re playing them! Can’t wait for the playthrough!
Phoenicia is one of my favorite civs to play. Settling everywhere and annoying everyone on your continent with perma-loyal cities is very fun. I often just play until turn 150 or so without a win condition in mind, just having fun exploring and settling.
£544 - At its height, the British Empire was the largest empire by dry land, claiming control of 26.35% of all land area. With the aid of the University of Sankore, Ursa Ryan seeks to prove that the Phoenician Empire can double that.
Forgive me if this has been asked before....but if Ursa moves the capital, as per Dido ability, is the original now no longer Tyre but becomes "ReTyred"?🤔
a game for the soul, to be able to settle to your hearts content, finish all the trees, and then turn your eye towards a conclusion! really looking forward to you settling about a hundred cities! huzzah!
SBRTN is Sabratha. I don't know much about the Phoenician language, but I know some ancient languages didn't have vowels and the vowel sound was just known culturally. Like Palaset was spelled PRST. I'm not sure why Firaxis went with SBRTN instead of Sabratha.
As a Switch player I’d love to see Ursa play a game with this mod. It’s super widely used but I can’t have it myself so I’d love to see what it’s all about
@@danielostrowski856 It adds a new oceanic feature (kelp beds), and five new resources. It also makes aquatic resources continent dependent, so you don't get things like pearls and whales all over the place. Finally, it changes how certain improvement and districts work (only slightly, and in a balanced way). Like all of Sukritact's mods, it is really well thought out and designed to be balanced. It's really fun with Corporation mode on.
36:40 Phoenician was a Semitic language (like Hebrew), and a big feature of their alphabets (iirc inherited from Egyptian hieroglyphs) is that they do not contain vowels. We do know the name of some of the cities, because of Latin and Greek sources, and for others there are plausible conjectures at pronunciation but sadly they can never really be "proven".
I had a Pericles game where my capitol was able to work three of the outer perimeter tiles of Bermuda Triangle; I have never had another game come close to this start.
I just finished watching the Hungary game. Really useful when you explain you rationale for decisions. If it means more video episodes, I’m certainly not opposed!! Great content and great to be able to learn and apply your tactics to my own game!
The reverse of your galley/bireme boost problem is true as well. If you recruit a barbarian bireme as a different civ, it does not count towards the boost like a gallery.
Im really going to enjoy seeing how far you can expand with settlers as Phoenecia. I was going to do a similar things several.months ago but i only ended up settling enough cities for one of each of bears governors (which to be fair, like, 10 cities is a lot for me). It ended up being a "can you max every governor before a win" (i had Kilwa, Ayutthaya, Kumasi, Nan Madol, and Vilnius so i had a lot of culture).
This looks like a fun game. I used City Patron Goddess in a game with the Inca and went aquaduct first for the hill farm play. Don't know if it was a good strat. But it was a strat.
I think Sanguine Pact is actually stronger for getting a crazy capital (in production and food) than "for violence". The Vampire Castles are always crazy strong, while the Vampires are not always super useful.
Now that's the kinda game I love. Tons of settling and building up cities all over the world with the ridiculous money from endless traders and resource deals.
I would have used the twins against Hattusa (without conquering the city) and tried to beat Japan with that (also having the time to get Arthur on the way to it) I would have certainly lost, but what a ride would it have been.
I think the thing about Pheonica and the alphabet is that they were the first to invent a phonetic alphabet, hence the name. Other civs had developed ways of writing but they were more pictogram-based or non-phonetic, or something like that.
Those two words are homophones (sound alike) but not cognates (two words derived from the same root). 'Phoenicia' was either developed through Greek, from the same root as 'phoenix' (both words referring to a deep almost red almost purple color), or it derived from even older Semitic or Egyptian words referring to the people of that region. Researchers can't say for sure, but it's definitely not tied to the 'phonos' derived words.
This reminds me of a strat I love to do with both Pheoncia and the Maori, where you settle an island big enough for your capital and take as many big enough for an at least decent sized city that doesn't already have someone else's tiles on it as possible. I'd argue it's best done with the Maori, but Pheoncia and even Spain could probably make it work, although ain't tried it with Spain
I was just watching through your recent spain playthrough and was wondering when you were gonna do the governor mod again. Its great to see you playing with it again
what i usually do in this maritime games is to have sinbad as my first hero. i will try my best to delay exploration because i want sinbad to discover all of the natural wonders and new continents. This fully optimizes his passive, as he gives me tons of gold in his first exploration.
Well I was going to work overtime so I could save money to fly home to see my mum before she dies but I guess I'm watching civ instead, I can zoom for the funeral I guess
can you do that pantheon, and build like 90% of a district, then switch to another district, repeat, and get a discount on like a cothon, aqueduct, dam and another...
nah, the moment Japan showed up next to you on a peninsula it was bad news bear. my opinion did an 180 the moment arthur popped out, that only means Peace was never an option. i ain't gonna be figthing Frigging samurais next to the coast.
I think I can count the number of times I've found a natural wonder before getting astrology on one hand. This should be good fun though. I haven't really explored Phonecia much because it always looked like a dom civ and I generally don't enjoy dom civs.
ambassador pales in comparison with some of the other governors. pioneer or architect are 14 times as good. the amani tour without the mod is only worth it bcs u only need 1 title and the other governors are quite marginal comparatively also.
I imagine this is the case, but do you have instructions for how to do the “copy the save file to your computer” technique? I love the mods and want to be able to copy paste.
It literally is as simple as that once you find where the save file folder is on your pc! Pop by discord and ask there - depending on your set up you'll get an answer pretty quick, if it isn't a pinned comment already = )
I can understand playing with mods for solo play but when it's for a deity guide i feel as though vanilla unmodded will help others most. Because of the gov overhaul mod i can't really follow this very much as i have no mods.
@UrsaRyan Got it. I was using a non guide as a guide because in all your games you still essentially annihilate the other civs on deity level 😂. I'll check out the actual guides
Love your content, but of course you find normal deity easy. Playing tall game? You add a bunch of mods to make tall empires OP. Domination game? Well, that'll be 4-6 players map, so we can wrap it quickly. Trying to build all wonders? You guessed it, a mod with a bunch of new crazy wonders. Not to mention a bunch of official game modes that make the game easier. I wish we had more playthroughs like the Korean one, even though it was played on a tiny map, at least there weren't any mods or game modes.
I don't really understand why you say your games have been too easy, use a difficulty mod........and then take away all the AI's starting units, which is by far their biggest advantage. Late game bonuses are fine and all, but Civ is a snowball game and early game will always be substantially more important than late. This is probably easy than just normal Diety.
After extensive testing turn 150 is the point where the two approaches converge. This style of play leads to an easier early game but cuts a good 50 turns of the time the ai usually wins
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Just finished listening to all of the Fall of Civilization podcasts, with Phoenicia being the most recent episode. Must be fate that you’re playing them! Can’t wait for the playthrough!
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Legit I think I've listen to every episode - it's so much fun!
Owls with Phoenecia is so fun. Also, I feel that one of the most underrated aspects of Owls is the ability to get those extra traders.
Ursa Ryan try not to say "One of my favorite civs" challenge level: Impossible
That's one of my favourite civs!!
Phoenicia is one of my favorite civs to play. Settling everywhere and annoying everyone on your continent with perma-loyal cities is very fun. I often just play until turn 150 or so without a win condition in mind, just having fun exploring and settling.
This is what I did this game! Just the best = )
This is my playstyle every game. I am so bad at finishing games. 😅
£544 - At its height, the British Empire was the largest empire by dry land, claiming control of 26.35% of all land area. With the aid of the University of Sankore, Ursa Ryan seeks to prove that the Phoenician Empire can double that.
There is a mod that puts a pin on the tribal villages you find so you know exactly what was in them! It's just aesthetic so you could add it easily
Useful!
I love Ursa's puns and jokes, never get Tyred of them!
Forgive me if this has been asked before....but if Ursa moves the capital, as per Dido ability, is the original now no longer Tyre but becomes "ReTyred"?🤔
OMG WHY DID I NOT DO THIS
@@UrsaRyan Now you know what to do!
@@johnoglesby-vw7ck Honestly? That's such a funny idea, like it! Just move the enTyre Capital.
THIS WAS THE THREAD!!! Thank you both for the drawing idea!!
a game for the soul, to be able to settle to your hearts content, finish all the trees, and then turn your eye towards a conclusion! really looking forward to you settling about a hundred cities! huzzah!
Huzzah!
Cliffs of Dover should act as a cliff and give the yields to coast tiles
SBRTN is Sabratha. I don't know much about the Phoenician language, but I know some ancient languages didn't have vowels and the vowel sound was just known culturally. Like Palaset was spelled PRST. I'm not sure why Firaxis went with SBRTN instead of Sabratha.
Prst is in czech finger and we even have some no vowels tongue twister with it.. Strč prst skrz krk - put finger through throat
You know.... I can't help but wonder how this challenge would be with Sukritact's Oceans mod.
As a Switch player I’d love to see Ursa play a game with this mod. It’s super widely used but I can’t have it myself so I’d love to see what it’s all about
@@danielostrowski856 It adds a new oceanic feature (kelp beds), and five new resources. It also makes aquatic resources continent dependent, so you don't get things like pearls and whales all over the place. Finally, it changes how certain improvement and districts work (only slightly, and in a balanced way). Like all of Sukritact's mods, it is really well thought out and designed to be balanced. It's really fun with Corporation mode on.
Ditto that...plus "More Maritime: Seaside Sectors".
@@jasonmaynard2402 I have to try that mod, the two of them together seems like it would be fun. Maybe with Indonesia.
36:40 Phoenician was a Semitic language (like Hebrew), and a big feature of their alphabets (iirc inherited from Egyptian hieroglyphs) is that they do not contain vowels. We do know the name of some of the cities, because of Latin and Greek sources, and for others there are plausible conjectures at pronunciation but sadly they can never really be "proven".
Phoenician settler spam is like my comfort civ game to blow off some steam, I’m glad you had fun with it too
It's a very happy time to be Ursa = )
Yay! A series of my favorite civilization to play as!
Huzzah!
I had a Pericles game where my capitol was able to work three of the outer perimeter tiles of Bermuda Triangle; I have never had another game come close to this start.
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"And now, for an important update"
I just finished watching the Hungary game. Really useful when you explain you rationale for decisions. If it means more video episodes, I’m certainly not opposed!! Great content and great to be able to learn and apply your tactics to my own game!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Well, I think I'm gonna have to get a new tattoo. "Worryingly Plump"
This was me at uni
"Go on, pillage it. You know you want to"
*pillages it*
"You douche"
I fucking lost it lmao
The duality of Ursa
The reverse of your galley/bireme boost problem is true as well. If you recruit a barbarian bireme as a different civ, it does not count towards the boost like a gallery.
The game being harsh I think!
Im really going to enjoy seeing how far you can expand with settlers as Phoenecia. I was going to do a similar things several.months ago but i only ended up settling enough cities for one of each of bears governors (which to be fair, like, 10 cities is a lot for me). It ended up being a "can you max every governor before a win" (i had Kilwa, Ayutthaya, Kumasi, Nan Madol, and Vilnius so i had a lot of culture).
I see naval civ, I click. Ah, the sweet melancholy of the sea…
good golly miss molly - that's a LOT of gold... and pretty much everything else too!
This looks like a fun game. I used City Patron Goddess in a game with the Inca and went aquaduct first for the hill farm play. Don't know if it was a good strat. But it was a strat.
Sometimes a strat is a strat and that's lovely!
22:55 The traders didn't consider the sea route, because the cothons weren't finished yet
I think Hattusa not being coastal also had something to do with it.
Ursa! they didn't invent the fitst form of writing, they did however invent the first system where 1 sound = 1 letter i.e. alphabet :))
I think Sanguine Pact is actually stronger for getting a crazy capital (in production and food) than "for violence". The Vampire Castles are always crazy strong, while the Vampires are not always super useful.
I remember one game as Hungary on Med TSL, where I got the twins to a barb camp nearby that spawned Samurais. Managed to snag like 5-6.
The combo of harbour master plus two Biremes / Improved sea resources for Dido is a cool idea.
It was mentioned to me in a previous game and I've been obsessed with it since!
"Now the Phoenicians can get down to business!"
-probably Ursa
Now that's the kinda game I love. Tons of settling and building up cities all over the world with the ridiculous money from endless traders and resource deals.
Just you wait, these deals get rather silly
the purple color is so pretty on cities
I like the colour
I would like to see a diplomatic victory playthrough! It has been a lot of culture and science victory lately..
Check out my recent Elizabeth game!!
@@UrsaRyan Yes I going do that!
go figure, the one time recently you haven't gambled on getting a builder from a tribal village you get one.
Tribal villages wait till you decide on what you don't want before roling that exact thing
I love farming spearman with twins 😂😂
I would have used the twins against Hattusa (without conquering the city) and tried to beat Japan with that (also having the time to get Arthur on the way to it) I would have certainly lost, but what a ride would it have been.
13:08 just Imagine 😂 Hyppolita Motivating an Aircraft/Fighter ✈️🚁🛩️ like "HEY YOU! FLYYY MY PRETTYYY!!" 😂😂 and the pilot👨✈️be like "😉 yes my Lady!"
I think the thing about Pheonica and the alphabet is that they were the first to invent a phonetic alphabet, hence the name. Other civs had developed ways of writing but they were more pictogram-based or non-phonetic, or something like that.
Those two words are homophones (sound alike) but not cognates (two words derived from the same root). 'Phoenicia' was either developed through Greek, from the same root as 'phoenix' (both words referring to a deep almost red almost purple color), or it derived from even older Semitic or Egyptian words referring to the people of that region. Researchers can't say for sure, but it's definitely not tied to the 'phonos' derived words.
Someone has already made the required Tyre gags
Love using different heros😊
This reminds me of a strat I love to do with both Pheoncia and the Maori, where you settle an island big enough for your capital and take as many big enough for an at least decent sized city that doesn't already have someone else's tiles on it as possible. I'd argue it's best done with the Maori, but Pheoncia and even Spain could probably make it work, although ain't tried it with Spain
well, there seems to be a lot of island to settle.
Dido with Legions, that shiet is funny.
We've crossed the streams!!
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Huzzah! Get ready for unpronounceable city names. It's not Firaxis's fault that the Phoenicians didn't write vowels.
Huzzah! Who needs vowels anyway!
I always have a hard time not claiming the religious governor first and taking the free settler Pantheon.
You mentioned using a mod which makes the AI build industries... Not sure it's working particularly well 😂
You can lead a horse to water...!
sidon/side-on pun two videos in a row? i'm sighdone
The joke just never gets old
I was just watching through your recent spain playthrough and was wondering when you were gonna do the governor mod again. Its great to see you playing with it again
Such a fun mod to use!
what i usually do in this maritime games is to have sinbad as my first hero. i will try my best to delay exploration because i want sinbad to discover all of the natural wonders and new continents. This fully optimizes his passive, as he gives me tons of gold in his first exploration.
It's a balance! Gold is good, but you don't want to slow yourself down!
You're going to feel silly, but the city state wasn't on the coast, nor did it have a harbor, so there was no sea route.
love playing archipelago maps i am such a harbor district enjoyer
Low key the best playthrough style!
Most undervalued civ in the game. Mad strong
Just the settler build alone is huge!
Owls is legit my favourite society in nearly any game 😅
It scales so well!
Uber Phoenicia play? Huzzah!
Huzzah!
A second Sidon pun!!!!! ❤
They just keep coming!
I feel attacked that I am watching this after an overtime
Mwahahahaahhaaahahhaha, I'm watching while at work!
Hatussa isn't on the coast, so no sea trade.
And you need the settling governor.
My favorite civ! :)
Huzzah!
i love the extra governors but they kind of break the game because the AI has no idea how to use them
The AI does "OK" with them - lots of ambassadors and defenders
Well I was going to work overtime so I could save money to fly home to see my mum before she dies but I guess I'm watching civ instead, I can zoom for the funeral I guess
Ah the internet saves us again
I'm a huge fan of Phoenicia nice to see you giving them a try are they solid on Deity level?
Very, very solid!!
Governor Overhaul rules!
Modern pronunciation: Sabratha
can you do that pantheon, and build like 90% of a district, then switch to another district, repeat, and get a discount on like a cothon, aqueduct, dam and another...
Maybe? I think it looks for districts placed but I'd have to check
Huzzah to the popular bear
Huzzah!
nah, the moment Japan showed up next to you on a peninsula it was bad news bear.
my opinion did an 180 the moment arthur popped out, that only means Peace was never an option.
i ain't gonna be figthing Frigging samurais next to the coast.
Best thing to do? Watch this video WHILE working overtime!
Huzzah!
I wonder if the Vampire Castles would apply to a new Phoenician capital or if they would stick to the older capital.
I believe they move!
dido makes me expand
I think I can count the number of times I've found a natural wonder before getting astrology on one hand. This should be good fun though. I haven't really explored Phonecia much because it always looked like a dom civ and I generally don't enjoy dom civs.
When it happens it's fantastic! I guess it depends how quickly you beeline for astrology
Does the AI know how to play with that extra governors mod?
It does a pretty good job! Just not as good as us!
I love a good phoenician game
ambassador pales in comparison with some of the other governors. pioneer or architect are 14 times as good. the amani tour without the mod is only worth it bcs u only need 1 title and the other governors are quite marginal comparatively also.
Hold that comment till you see the trade routes and gold bonuses...!
14:56 too bad the twins couldn’t convert the quadriremes.
That would be fun! I wish sinbad did that
I imagine this is the case, but do you have instructions for how to do the “copy the save file to your computer” technique? I love the mods and want to be able to copy paste.
It literally is as simple as that once you find where the save file folder is on your pc!
Pop by discord and ask there - depending on your set up you'll get an answer pretty quick, if it isn't a pinned comment already = )
Are you going to do the challenge of the month civ just put out?
I just saw, interesting! Maybe??
I can understand playing with mods for solo play but when it's for a deity guide i feel as though vanilla unmodded will help others most. Because of the gov overhaul mod i can't really follow this very much as i have no mods.
This is no guide! Check out my guide playlist on my home page for all the various guide series I have = )
@UrsaRyan Got it. I was using a non guide as a guide because in all your games you still essentially annihilate the other civs on deity level 😂. I'll check out the actual guides
After what you did to her as Hungary it is only right to play her next.
It was fate!
Huzzah!
Huzzah!
Dido of Phoenecia is IMO the most attractive of all the female characters 😉
To ursa I am on the road doing work away from my computer 😢 can’t play and will help you escape from crabs
Oh no!
HUZZAH!
Huzzah!
Pioneer 😭😭😭
The twins is such a waste… 😂
I had fun with them at least = )
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Welcome early bears, for I am the first one!
Huzzah!
Love your content, but of course you find normal deity easy. Playing tall game? You add a bunch of mods to make tall empires OP. Domination game? Well, that'll be 4-6 players map, so we can wrap it quickly. Trying to build all wonders? You guessed it, a mod with a bunch of new crazy wonders. Not to mention a bunch of official game modes that make the game easier.
I wish we had more playthroughs like the Korean one, even though it was played on a tiny map, at least there weren't any mods or game modes.
I spice it up to keep it all interesting. I've played so many game I need variety!
Next game up is much harder in a "traditional" sense
whats the map ? :/
17:58 why do you want to cough on over there? thats rude. Btw Ko Fi Rex rules badass.
hahaha = )
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I don't really understand why you say your games have been too easy, use a difficulty mod........and then take away all the AI's starting units, which is by far their biggest advantage. Late game bonuses are fine and all, but Civ is a snowball game and early game will always be substantially more important than late. This is probably easy than just normal Diety.
After extensive testing turn 150 is the point where the two approaches converge. This style of play leads to an easier early game but cuts a good 50 turns of the time the ai usually wins
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