It was about giving context why these reviews are wrong. It's an argument format based in reality. This issue you are having says more about your attention span than anything else.
Just to clarify, it is possible that people saying 'pay to win' or 'pay to play' are not refering to weapons but to the fact that new players cannot use chat and competetive is p2p.
@@Jasonwithadot every Christmas or new year or something you can get more backpack space for free, I got 2 more slots last year and got a white paint that I painted onto the Gibus. Looking forward to this year's stuff
@@society1876the difference is these ads come from people associated with using bots which means they'll either get absolutely hate wagoned or their website has a virus. Normal ads just lead to normal stuff not Viruses or Assholes.
Tf2 would literally be the most profitable game in the industry if they had an actual staff making updates to it with new cases and cosmetics and unusuals.
I remember being able to switch teams whenever I wanted. Back when that was available I would play a 2Fort match that had a stalemate going on, join the losing side, turn them to the winning side, switch teams and do it again. Constantly prolonging the stalemate just to see how long I could make a single match last. Now-a-days all my favorite servers no longer exist... I miss my VSH server. sure there are others but the pale in comparison.
I started playing around 12 years old and INSTANTLY fell in love with it No matter how many times I died No matter how many times I fell No matter how many times I raged I wouldn't have gotten 1700+ hours if I had quit It's unfortunate that people my age have been quitting because they aren't good It's a terrible mindset to have when starting a new game I'm 14 y/o now and may have learned the Kazotsky Kick
im 15 y.o., im played tf2 2015-2020, kinda sad see what valve done, sry for bad english, im from Russia. p.s. Learned Kazotsky Kick too. Its actually а good dance, but it takes a lot of energy. p.s.s. Yep, I started when I was 8, lol.
I started playing TF2 this February, and despite all the frustrating parts of the game (Bots, Random Crits, Bad Game Design, Ect.), it still became one of, if not my favorite game ever made by my 100th hour. I absolutely adore this game, and even if the bots and such are still frustrating and should definitely be fixed, it's gonna take a lot more to kill TF2 for me.
I started playing tf2 in 2020 and had similar issues with the game to the negative reviews but I kept playing instead of leaving and because I was stubborn I eventually struggled my way towards being a better player. I'm probably not very good still but I'm good enough that I don't have to worry that much about being the victim of a pubstomp. I think if you have less than like 100 hours on tf2 you probably don't have enough experience to judge the game, and I know that sounds gatekeepy but the skill required to stand up to players who have been playing the game for 15 years necessitates at least like 100 hours or something. For people who don't wanna sink that much time into a game, I guess it's understandable. For people that can and do on other games but won't with tf2, idk how legitimate a bad review would be coming from them. Maybe I am being a little elitist or something but I feel like these reviewers need some time with the game before they can weigh in with their opinions.
Don't you see the problem of needing 4 days of gameplay (not playing for four days but the cumulative hours of four hours) to even get to have fun? I'm a big fan of fighting games which require too much from you to start to learn. And even those don't ask that much of you. And tbh even if the stock weapon is the best I still think putting items/weapons behind paywalls is still p2w, what do you think?
@@mrblooper1994 you can unlock items as random free drops by playing the game and unlocking achievements. Also tons of community servers are offered where you can practice and play dumb modes like 100% crits or 100x stats. Also you can still have fun in the game without being good. when I started playing I got my ass kicked all the time and i still had fun because even when I got angry I would just fuck around. maybe I was just more willing to deal with initial bullshit because I knew the game was fun. Watching tf2ber videos prior probably did that for me
@@fetch7312 I'm not saying the game can't be fun, I absolutely love vague games or games that take time to enjoy too (it's just bias really) I just think it's a valid criticism that we veterans of these fans should stop dismissing. And random drops/buying is bad design anyway tbh
@@mrblooper1994 tf2 would be a good first game, but if you played anything else it's tough to get the good feeling out of it I assume a CSGO or CoD or anything else player just play to get kills and win, with tf2 it's almost required to play casual, taunting with teammates and enemies using funny weapons, playing the same class as the rest of your team, but the player that don't care about that just struggle to perform well at a game with so many veterans and somewhat complex mechanics and classes
Also, I thought about it and I was going to say, "well the Crusader's Crossbow is better than stock." But then I realized 1. The needle gun isn't actually terrible, it just gets overshadowed by the crossbow, and 2. The crossbow isn't the Medic's primary. The MEDIGUN is the Medic's true primary.
@@MeltedBananaTaffy I will say that the needle gun gives the medic a decent chance to defend himself against light classes at short range (Engineer, Sniper, Spy, other Medics, and even some Scouts) it's just that those instances aren't likely to happen unless you're really out of position. Which only happens with very new players. So the needle gun is a good place to start until you get comfortable enough with the crossbow.
Crossbow - Better for healing Blutsauger - Better for offensive assaults Overdose - Better for escapes Syringe Gun - Better for reliability (no gimmick)
Honestly the extremely limited size of the f2p backpack makes weapon crafting borderline impossible, and legitimately limits how many weapons you can have. I regrettably deleted my badge for how long I'd been playing as a f2p to make space for weapon drops.
When I first install tf2 2 years ago, I thought that this game, being so old, would the more experience players will destroy me, so I spent about 20 hours in the tutorial before entering my first game in casual and despite everything, in less than a year I became a good player
the 'pay to win' reviews are right tho, you cant call for medic or shout spy if you havent payed anything, that may sound like a small thing but it can affect alot of matches, it is pay to win
I've been playing tf2 for well over a decade, and I remember hating quickplay when it was added, even though it was far better than a server browser. The queue system was something I actually really liked, and still do. It was buggy and slow on launch, yes, but was fixed. I guess it's because I play a lot of overwatch too, and TF2s implementation is superior since you can pick specific game modes and maps.
here's a point you didn't cover that i thought was pretty important: just because it's 15 years old doesn't mean it's hard for new players to understand, there's loads of games older than tf2 that are super easy to get into, the issue lies in the alien game mechanics, 9 classes, 208 weapons, and 53 maps, all of which have been altered into oblivion by updates which will take about 1k hours to get a grip on cool vid
im a new player with only 100hours on the game and i love it. Since around 2014 i have been in love with it with sfms and tf2 videos and finally i got the chance to get it (better pc to handle the spaghetti code) the negative reviews from the new players with 4hours or such makes me actually really mad tbh. (i think i have understanded tf2s weapons and use external servers to buy things)
second to last one, that's why he has "only" 27 hours cuz he got unlucky and only got the proes and that's why he left a negative review, you do not have to make fun of him
He did not only did valve did something about those damm bots They actually did something about the bot hosters And it's funny that they were begging for mercy when they were the ones ruining the game for years now
5:10 i believe they meant that the game WANTS you to pay for the ability to communicate with your team, otherwise, you're just a mute person who can't interact with other players besides with shaking your head up and down or side to side
I hate the "stop looking at the negative reviews and buy the game" like bro Im tryna see what other people think about it so then I can see if its for me
for the people who play for 30 hours and arent having fun because everyone they play against is way better at the game due to extreme play times, thats still a completely legitimate reason to leave a negative review. If you play for 30 hours and arent having fun, even if that reason is just your arent good enough at the game, that still a perfectly reasonable reason to review negatively, and its even important for people who dont want to spend 100+ hours getting good to be able to see that people who play for 30 hours are still finding themselves massively outskilled.
@@enigmaticphantom8389 yes. it literally is a skill issue. but building skills takes time, and its important for people to be able to see just how much time this particular skill takes.
“The stock rocket launcher” Shows “The Original” which has an unlisted change changing the location rockets come out from, which gives you a disadvantage at shooting around corners
The thing about "sweaty players" in casual, is actually a good point, just made poorly. The matchmaking is fucking dogshit. If you are even allowed to play against a player with 5k hours as a near fresh install, something has gone wrong there.
Thank you for saying that Experienced Players aren’t all sweatlords. I hate it when people call players that are simply just better at the game than they are “sweaty” for just being better. Sweatlords are people who are directly Toxic and will do anything to stop the other players from having fun (ie killing friendlies) because they want to win at all costs and their ego won’t allow them to take a loss
As a multiplayer only game, you're left with the current community of casual gamers who log in for 20 minutes and go to bed. If there was a story mode, you'd have a bigger community and probably less abandonment
Being said, the bots are new to me. I picking back up again after years but damn is it depressing to find a bot on either team. Bot accusations used to hold weight, now its just outvotes on sight. Sad to see.
Honestly the fact that recently this gaming club at my school played TF2 for the first time and despite everyone but me playing the game for the first time I was able to turn the lan server friendly and we joked about TF2 being a war themed ddr game
I really can't get into TF2 with how bad I am at it. I constantly got annihilated and destroyed beyond reason. So, I just couldn't stick with it. I don't work an easy job so I kind of wanted something to relax on. TF2 does not fill that void. But, I still like watching TF2 content.
Honestly, if I'd love if Casual was locked after a 1 dollar wall, except for Premium accounts, old players and people with over 500 hours. This would kill the bots as they wouldn't spend too much money, and it would be easier to ban them.
This is a very terrible idea that they practically already implemented. People who don't pay for their accounts can't use mic in game, but the bots still mic spam anyway. Because apparently people dedicated enough to make hundreds of bots are also dedicated enough to spend money on doing so
i wouldnt give a negative review for it but i do kinda agree with that guy saying stuff about sweats in casual; as a person with 2k hours; no matter if its casual or a community server to actually play the game like uncletopia; theres so many stupidly insanely ludicrously good snipers with the epic 100k strange sniper rifle hits every shot but theyre not a bot makes the game so frustrating and is the thing that makes me not wanna play it much anymore honestly; alongside my bad internet
I have like 2300 hours in tf2, I played around 1900 hours on community servers, 300 hours in casual and 100 hours in the menu. I think this says a lot about tf2.
6:35 I don't blame the new player tbh, how are they supposed to learn how the game works when all the games they join are either bot infested or riddled with obese sweaty losers in their moms basement pouring their moms credit card and all their time into it. I honestly feel for these newer people who want to get into the games community but can't because the game is so broken...
But every good player isn't on the edge of his seat sweating and breaking their keyboard if they die, they're most likely just casually pubstomping and the new player happens to be in the way
I remember when I was a really new player, and I fell on a server with many, MANY bots. I saw a Sniper spinning around and aiming at the ceiling, and at the time I had no idea what he was doing so I literally just copied him and started shooting at the cieling too. I think that was pretty funny
hey I love these videos, and you've been spot-on though I disagree with your stance on pay-to-play. on one hand, trading is not against the ToS like other games, so it's slightly easier to do, assuming you know the sites to do the trading in. on the other, it's scary to see a desktop game with a store. you need to know what to buy to even be able to trade, probably wait 14 days because teading requires Guard while buying games doesn't, and you better not have too many items already because even the permium inventory might not fit. duecto the free-to-play nature, more people will at least try to play it so the negative reviews are likely more trustworthy of a bigger group of players, as is shown in the video, and an inconvenience of 14 days of pure stock after having spent money on it if you even know how this phone game-looking shop is supposed to work is still a big hurdle. obviously, paid games have a group of players filtered out before they try and review it which makes them a bit more skewed, but somehow getting these weapons costs more time even if you paid, unless you pay for the equivelant of 2 AAA games
I have no problem telling new players to git gud. after all there was the toxic 5000h players back when I was new telling me to just git gud at it. its a thing that hardly exists these days when skill ceilings are brought so low its practically claustrophobic.
So I'm not sure when the review about tf2 being pay 2 win was made but many years ago there were this bullshit item sets that required you to not only have certain weapons equipped but also a hat and in exchange the gave you some strong bonuses such as scout having +25 health with a milkman set, soldier having 20% damage resistance from sentry guns with tankbuster set, and sniper being outright immune to headshots with croc-o-style set. The problem is that if you were f2p you couldn't even craft the hat for this item set because of valve arbitary restrictions on crafting, and you couldn't trade for them because f2p players can't trade.
...you mentioned that TF2 isn't P2P and casually glossed over the fact that the people who don't pay 5 dollars can't: - speak. Yes, speak. They can't use voice commands nor use voice or text chat. - they can't have friends. They can only speak to people if someone else adds them. But why would someone add them if they can't speak? So basically you're alienated in this game unless you pay valve money. You can't play (properly) unless you pay valve 5 bucks. Notice how those F2Ps only had #1: 2 hours, #2: 40 hours. Surely, they'd have had more hours if they could interact with the game and not be a spectator with legs and a gun.
while nothing is pay to win, here are all the unlocks that defenetly gives an edge to people who get them, as opposed to being sidegrades. - The crusaders crossbow for the medic And thats pretty much it. Sure you have the wrangler and scorch shot which need nerfs, but I used to be a pyro main and never used the scorch shot and did fine, detonator is more fun and does the same anyways.
@@Ghost-jq4eyat least L'Etranger has an actual downside to it, being that you cant shoot people very far becouse 19 damage. But cant say anything about the diomandback.
5:06 you forgot to mention that all unlockable weapons can be unlocked even if you are free to play. You can get weapons from random drops and achievements and you can try out any weapon in the game for free and use it in servers from the Mann Co. Store. So even if the unlockable weapons were all incredibly op and much better than stock, it still wouldn’t be free to play.
@@calebbarnhouse496 That's how free to play games work, you can unlock items and other good stuff by playing the game, but it's a heavy grind. It's how these type of games are able to make money, because a good number of people refuse to take the time and patience to get the stuff without paying a penny
@@jmann6368 and in 2016 battlefront 2 you could get every hero with grinding, but it's pretty obvious that you weren't gonna get everything without it, but beyond that with how much of tf2 monitization is about cosmetic, the base version of each weapon probably should be given to each player at the start
I havnt played in a few years but one of my favorite things to do was play as soldier and use the cow mangler gun and then use it to snipe people. It was extremely inefficient but ridiculously funny every time i got a kill. (For anyone who doesnt know, the coe mangler was a gun that shot a very slow moving lazer that dealt meh damage but caught fire to anyone it hit. It was especially fun to snipe snipers with it because if you play against the same person fir enough time you can easily predict when they will peak out and time the bolt to hit them almost every time.)
I really want to get into tf2. But between my horrible setup making it take half a match to get into one (not valve's fault), the bots making it insufferable to try to interact with a match in a meaningful way (a lot more valve's fault), a lot of interesting content hidden behind paywalls that i can't be bothered to get around (mostly valve's fault), and the general difficulty of trying to get into a game that has been around for so long and populated almost entirely by hardcore fans (not valve's fault... But there would be more casual fans if they maintained the game better) it just doesn't seem worth the effort when i can play a single player game and get a far less new player hostile environment. Shame, really
6:00 actually, the stock and original are very slightly different. Stock shoots it at a very small offset to the bottom right/left depending on your current game settings (whether its set to left or right handed) and the original shoots straight from the middle. im pretty sure shounic has a video on this
correction: the original is actually slightly different than the rocket launcher other than its model. the original shoots from the center, while the stock shoots from the right. therefore, you can shoot while peeking a left corner AND a right corner with the original, unlike stock. now that i got my nerdiness out of the way, great video :)
Tf2 is the only good multiplayer game because it doesn't appeal to eSports or "ultra skill focused" gaming like valo, league, ow, and fornite. It's about fun and goofing around. Infinitely better than the garbage permitting modern multiplayer gamss
@@timoobert1881 I do but luckily the tryhardiness of that doesn't bleed into normal casual games. If you load up a. Game of league you are in game where 7 if the 10 players want to be the next big eSports star and ruin the experience for everyone
@Op-gogo luckily I don't need to. I just have the passive game knowledge I learned over the years and I don't even need to care about the eternal grind to keep up with bullshit.
@@abrenmam FaceIt flopped hard because they advertised themselves as casual but it's full of shitty competitive stuff like PUNISHMENTS FOR LEAVING, A ELO SYSTEM, REWARDS FOR WINNING
@@Anderson-kg5ex punishment for leaving is one of the main reasons modern games suck. It means you are stuck with so many people who either think they are gods or troll. And it makes people toxic to you if you dare to not play absolutely perfectly. If your while team sucks in casual, you leave no problem. If 1 person sucks in OW, it means you suffer for 30 minutes
5:06 this review is so funny because the only stock weapons that are terrible or at most just mediocre are the Syringe gun, the SMG (Which is pretty decent) and 5 stock melees (Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Heavy, Medic.). Even then, your melee's will typically be your least used weapon, unless your either a Spy or Engineer (who both have good stock melee's) or a Demoknight (who you physically cannot play till you have some unlocks).
for the most of the video i agree with you except on 7:20 man co even if it costs more its more easily accessiable and more easily currency knowing, other sites only except some currencies however man co is more easy and newplayer friendly and simple
They're not a game company anymore. Given the fact that they are working on stuff that's outside games like the recent Steam Deck, or their own VR Headset, it's safe to say they aren't a game company anymore, but more of just a market.
Team Fortress 2. A masterpiece left to wither. Neglected by the very hands who created it, giving all it's got to keep others happy. The community feels as decrepit as the game has, and I feel like the developers are starting to see it. I think there's going to be a bright future for TF2. If they push past the spaghetti code, and see past the tough, they'll be able to repolish the diamond, and make TF2 the best it can be.
Sadly, it is extremely difficult to recode something that is hard to understand in the first place, retro-engineering stuff because the knowledge is somehow lost, it will take time and money. Better to develop directly TF3, that will be TF2 with clean code I hope (we can dream)
You talked so extensively about issues TF2 has in the first 5 minutes I even forgot that this video was about negative reviews
Pff same
8 minutes more like lol
10 minute video about negative reviews and he reads maybe 15 of them.
It was about giving context why these reviews are wrong. It's an argument format based in reality. This issue you are having says more about your attention span than anything else.
@@Ibnboulos i dont think the person writing the comment took it seriously lmao
It's honestly baffling that people leave negative reviews saying the game is good and you shouldn't be reading negative reviews.
(Flabbergasted)
Le gasp
It’s more or less annoying because: ,,no shit Sherlock, you never thought I like being corrupted by the negativity?”
Just an example
But the point still stands!
Just to clarify, it is possible that people saying 'pay to win' or 'pay to play' are not refering to weapons but to the fact that new players cannot use chat and competetive is p2p.
tru, a number of medics just ignore you if you don't call for help and you can't really alert others of a sentry or spies :[
Basically,pay to play.
and you have a limited backpack, and you dont get hat drops
@@Jasonwithadot If hat drops weren't limited, you'd probably see more bots in TF2 but not cheating, just bots that do enough to get drops.
@@Jasonwithadot every Christmas or new year or something you can get more backpack space for free, I got 2 more slots last year and got a white paint that I painted onto the Gibus. Looking forward to this year's stuff
5:01 That is the most valid argument ever, even Htwo doesn't have a rebuttal against it
Facts
True, hate the French too, they keep eating my damn bread.
Fax
Bots aren't just made for their creators' amusement. They also bring them income from the items and they can be used for advertising.
who the hell actually visits the websites that the bots are spamming in the chat?? terrible marketing strategy
@@bronzeanon985 thats like asking who clicks on ads
@@society1876 no one???
@@mpollonoif that were the case then ads wouldn’t exist
@@society1876the difference is these ads come from people associated with using bots which means they'll either get absolutely hate wagoned or their website has a virus.
Normal ads just lead to normal stuff not Viruses or Assholes.
5:38 goofy laugh made my day
Yes
"oohoohohoo!.....I got an achievement!"
Keebler elf
that person downloaded a game labeled as “mature” and complained about swearing and gore, the latter of which is listed on the Steam page.
Let’s all applaud to the guy who said it was the best game he played but said he would not recommend because spy is French
Scout detected, context: he hates spy
@@sourkefiryou dont need to tell everyone the context, we arent stupid
@@d-boi9785 well, you are not, but some people that have not played tf2? Not saying they are stupid, but they might not know enough
@@sourkefir I thought he was sniper.
Based
Tf2 would literally be the most profitable game in the industry if they had an actual staff making updates to it with new cases and cosmetics and unusuals.
I agree. TF2 has so much potential...
BuT tHaT wOuLd ReQuIrE EfFoRt! - Tf2 devs
devs? what is that
I remember being able to switch teams whenever I wanted. Back when that was available I would play a 2Fort match that had a stalemate going on, join the losing side, turn them to the winning side, switch teams and do it again. Constantly prolonging the stalemate just to see how long I could make a single match last.
Now-a-days all my favorite servers no longer exist... I miss my VSH server. sure there are others but the pale in comparison.
I started playing around 12 years old and INSTANTLY fell in love with it
No matter how many times I died
No matter how many times I fell
No matter how many times I raged
I wouldn't have gotten 1700+ hours if I had quit
It's unfortunate that people my age have been quitting because they aren't good
It's a terrible mindset to have when starting a new game
I'm 14 y/o now and may have learned the Kazotsky Kick
rookie numbers, i have 5k hours. step your game up brother
@@ebengis 🗿
@@ebengis so TH-cam
im 15 y.o., im played tf2 2015-2020, kinda sad see what valve done, sry for bad english, im from Russia.
p.s. Learned Kazotsky Kick too. Its actually а good dance, but it takes a lot of energy.
p.s.s. Yep, I started when I was 8, lol.
I started playing this game when I was 11 back when quick play was still a thing. sad how valve isn’t taking good care as they once did.
one thing I think that was missed is the fact that you cant call for medic in official servers if you haven't spent money in the game.
Wat...
@@Rain1 yes, they locked a crucial feature behind a paywall
@@LolO36675 so weird of them...
Why...?
@@Loner098 I don't know, Im not a developer
I started playing TF2 this February, and despite all the frustrating parts of the game (Bots, Random Crits, Bad Game Design, Ect.), it still became one of, if not my favorite game ever made by my 100th hour. I absolutely adore this game, and even if the bots and such are still frustrating and should definitely be fixed, it's gonna take a lot more to kill TF2 for me.
only 100h? and you already have a "bad game design" opinion, Whatever you say then
@@shaysukie I was saying that I had 100 hours by the time I adored the game, I currently have like 600 now.
I have more than 800h and I regret it
I have 1K+ hours and do not regret it. Play whatever makes you happy, the imperfections make it fun.
@@menacingpyro2005 WAKE UP SHEEPLE
I once read a negative review for tf2 that literally said "I got an F in class" and nothing else
I started playing tf2 in 2020 and had similar issues with the game to the negative reviews but I kept playing instead of leaving and because I was stubborn I eventually struggled my way towards being a better player. I'm probably not very good still but I'm good enough that I don't have to worry that much about being the victim of a pubstomp. I think if you have less than like 100 hours on tf2 you probably don't have enough experience to judge the game, and I know that sounds gatekeepy but the skill required to stand up to players who have been playing the game for 15 years necessitates at least like 100 hours or something. For people who don't wanna sink that much time into a game, I guess it's understandable. For people that can and do on other games but won't with tf2, idk how legitimate a bad review would be coming from them. Maybe I am being a little elitist or something but I feel like these reviewers need some time with the game before they can weigh in with their opinions.
Don't you see the problem of needing 4 days of gameplay (not playing for four days but the cumulative hours of four hours) to even get to have fun? I'm a big fan of fighting games which require too much from you to start to learn. And even those don't ask that much of you. And tbh even if the stock weapon is the best I still think putting items/weapons behind paywalls is still p2w, what do you think?
@@mrblooper1994 you can unlock items as random free drops by playing the game and unlocking achievements. Also tons of community servers are offered where you can practice and play dumb modes like 100% crits or 100x stats. Also you can still have fun in the game without being good. when I started playing I got my ass kicked all the time and i still had fun because even when I got angry I would just fuck around. maybe I was just more willing to deal with initial bullshit because I knew the game was fun. Watching tf2ber videos prior probably did that for me
also the 100 hours figure was an exaggeration, it depends on the player. It took me like 200 hours, but I know some people who took like 30
@@fetch7312 I'm not saying the game can't be fun, I absolutely love vague games or games that take time to enjoy too (it's just bias really) I just think it's a valid criticism that we veterans of these fans should stop dismissing. And random drops/buying is bad design anyway tbh
@@mrblooper1994 tf2 would be a good first game, but if you played anything else it's tough to get the good feeling out of it
I assume a CSGO or CoD or anything else player just play to get kills and win, with tf2 it's almost required to play casual, taunting with teammates and enemies using funny weapons, playing the same class as the rest of your team, but the player that don't care about that just struggle to perform well at a game with so many veterans and somewhat complex mechanics and classes
"Actually, the original is not a reshkin of shtock because it firesh from the shenter"
goofy ah nerd song
@@op-gogo8911 Tracka
@@bonkloud8182 Tracka
and you also aim it with your penis, not your hand, soooo....
@@op-gogo8911how is that nerdy?
Oh boy, here we go again, and this time they're in massive numbers.
Also, I thought about it and I was going to say, "well the Crusader's Crossbow is better than stock." But then I realized 1. The needle gun isn't actually terrible, it just gets overshadowed by the crossbow, and 2. The crossbow isn't the Medic's primary. The MEDIGUN is the Medic's true primary.
i mean yea the needle gun isnt terrible but that doesnt change the fact that crossbow is better in every way
@@MeltedBananaTaffy I will say that the needle gun gives the medic a decent chance to defend himself against light classes at short range (Engineer, Sniper, Spy, other Medics, and even some Scouts) it's just that those instances aren't likely to happen unless you're really out of position. Which only happens with very new players.
So the needle gun is a good place to start until you get comfortable enough with the crossbow.
Crossbow - Better for healing
Blutsauger - Better for offensive assaults
Overdose - Better for escapes
Syringe Gun - Better for reliability (no gimmick)
You can get the crossbow by the !givemeall servers
Honestly the extremely limited size of the f2p backpack makes weapon crafting borderline impossible, and legitimately limits how many weapons you can have. I regrettably deleted my badge for how long I'd been playing as a f2p to make space for weapon drops.
I thought I was crazy hearing BOI music @5:27 but I was right! Great video btw!
I respect how the bot crisis was combatted by the community; having been a person who fought during the war
watching this video with 7 snipers saying "good shot mate!" in the backaround of my lobby
When I first install tf2 2 years ago, I thought that this game, being so old, would the more experience players will destroy me, so I spent about 20 hours in the tutorial before entering my first game in casual and despite everything, in less than a year I became a good player
"less than a year"? thats an extremely long time if you were palying with any amount of regularity at all.
the 'pay to win' reviews are right tho, you cant call for medic or shout spy if you havent payed anything, that may sound like a small thing but it can affect alot of matches, it is pay to win
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I've been playing tf2 for well over a decade, and I remember hating quickplay when it was added, even though it was far better than a server browser. The queue system was something I actually really liked, and still do. It was buggy and slow on launch, yes, but was fixed. I guess it's because I play a lot of overwatch too, and TF2s implementation is superior since you can pick specific game modes and maps.
5:10 f2p me with 500+ hours with 5 hp trying to get the medics attention unable to call for him
here's a point you didn't cover that i thought was pretty important: just because it's 15 years old doesn't mean it's hard for new players to understand, there's loads of games older than tf2 that are super easy to get into, the issue lies in the alien game mechanics, 9 classes, 208 weapons, and 53 maps, all of which have been altered into oblivion by updates which will take about 1k hours to get a grip on
cool vid
Underrated TH-camr. Hope you go far!
im a new player with only 100hours on the game and i love it. Since around 2014 i have been in love with it with sfms and tf2 videos and finally i got the chance to get it (better pc to handle the spaghetti code) the negative reviews from the new players with 4hours or such makes me actually really mad tbh. (i think i have understanded tf2s weapons and use external servers to buy things)
second to last one, that's why he has "only" 27 hours cuz he got unlucky and only got the proes and that's why he left a negative review, you do not have to make fun of him
"Bots are far less common"
Today i met 7 bots in 1 lobby
community. servers.
5:52 I cannot tell you how many times this is happened to me while using the liberty launcher… I really need to stop using it LOL!
8:00 the fact he has 0.3 hours really shows how much some people care about giving some games a shot
2:08 bro predicted the future
He did not only did valve did something about those damm bots They actually did something about the bot hosters And it's funny that they were begging for mercy when they were the ones ruining the game for years now
5:10 i believe they meant that the game WANTS you to pay for the ability to communicate with your team, otherwise, you're just a mute person who can't interact with other players besides with shaking your head up and down or side to side
Voice communication is not allowed with this account.
that was recent... F**k me, don't tell me a year has passed since that update.
I hate the "stop looking at the negative reviews and buy the game" like bro Im tryna see what other people think about it so then I can see if its for me
for the people who play for 30 hours and arent having fun because everyone they play against is way better at the game due to extreme play times, thats still a completely legitimate reason to leave a negative review. If you play for 30 hours and arent having fun, even if that reason is just your arent good enough at the game, that still a perfectly reasonable reason to review negatively, and its even important for people who dont want to spend 100+ hours getting good to be able to see that people who play for 30 hours are still finding themselves massively outskilled.
Skill issue. Play on community servers if you don't wanna get 0wned.
@@enigmaticphantom8389 yes. it literally is a skill issue. but building skills takes time, and its important for people to be able to see just how much time this particular skill takes.
@@DropkickedBarracuda It'll be a while but I'll be a battle engi soon
“The stock rocket launcher”
Shows “The Original” which has an unlisted change changing the location rockets come out from, which gives you a disadvantage at shooting around corners
They did one thing. Make f2ps unable to speak or call votes. so they just made it harder for the players to kick the bots
The thing about "sweaty players" in casual, is actually a good point, just made poorly. The matchmaking is fucking dogshit. If you are even allowed to play against a player with 5k hours as a near fresh install, something has gone wrong there.
Thank you for saying that Experienced Players aren’t all sweatlords. I hate it when people call players that are simply just better at the game than they are “sweaty” for just being better.
Sweatlords are people who are directly Toxic and will do anything to stop the other players from having fun (ie killing friendlies) because they want to win at all costs and their ego won’t allow them to take a loss
Better than me? Sweatlord
Worse than me? Trash noob
Tired of this mindset
@@Rain1 you are right and you should say it
As a multiplayer only game, you're left with the current community of casual gamers who log in for 20 minutes and go to bed. If there was a story mode, you'd have a bigger community and probably less abandonment
i have huge respect for you using rors best soundtracks in literally every video you make. even got the raindrop that fell to the sky!
Being said, the bots are new to me. I picking back up again after years but damn is it depressing to find a bot on either team. Bot accusations used to hold weight, now its just outvotes on sight. Sad to see.
Remember when Meet your Match update was supposed to get rid of auto-balance?
Oh, yes.
It's why I play hotline miami now
Everyone knows the most popular negative review
Honestly the fact that recently this gaming club at my school played TF2 for the first time and despite everyone but me playing the game for the first time I was able to turn the lan server friendly and we joked about TF2 being a war themed ddr game
5:09 paying to communicate is pay to play tbh
It's a shooter, not a chatroom
@@banana12216 if you dont understand team shooters then shut the fuck up bro
Im glad that someone is finally making valid criticism 5:01.
Reddit moment
@@CabaretDescartes ????
When they mean pay to play I think they mean how valve muted free players
I really can't get into TF2 with how bad I am at it. I constantly got annihilated and destroyed beyond reason. So, I just couldn't stick with it. I don't work an easy job so I kind of wanted something to relax on. TF2 does not fill that void. But, I still like watching TF2 content.
The original is not a reskin of the default rocket launcher... The rockets come from the middle instead of from the right.
I know that, but y'know how many words that is to put on screen? Many words for a "well actually" that's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand
@@htwo1 Well you put wrong info in your vid, get over it lmao
“Would not recommend because spy is French” is the the best sentence I’ve ever heard
Ouch i'm french ;-;
Honestly, if I'd love if Casual was locked after a 1 dollar wall, except for Premium accounts, old players and people with over 500 hours.
This would kill the bots as they wouldn't spend too much money, and it would be easier to ban them.
This is a very terrible idea that they practically already implemented. People who don't pay for their accounts can't use mic in game, but the bots still mic spam anyway. Because apparently people dedicated enough to make hundreds of bots are also dedicated enough to spend money on doing so
Valve literally just needs to rollback to 2015 TF2, before Gunmettle
It would fix almost every issue we face with almost everything except the bots
literally. also they should buff the baby faces blaster
6:00 It may also be in reference to the fact that F2Ps can't chat, can't for med, etc.
Voice communication is not allowed with this account.
i wouldnt give a negative review for it but i do kinda agree with that guy saying stuff about sweats in casual; as a person with 2k hours; no matter if its casual or a community server to actually play the game like uncletopia; theres so many stupidly insanely ludicrously good snipers with the epic 100k strange sniper rifle hits every shot but theyre not a bot
makes the game so frustrating and is the thing that makes me not wanna play it much anymore honestly; alongside my bad internet
These commenters never done a conga line on a casual match ending when all the participants fall off an edge and use the suicide key lol.
8:30 finnaly someone is mentioning fortress forever
The only thing that I find that that game exist is from an no click video.
I have like 2300 hours in tf2, I played around 1900 hours on community servers, 300 hours in casual and 100 hours in the menu. I think this says a lot about tf2.
6:35 I don't blame the new player tbh, how are they supposed to learn how the game works when all the games they join are either bot infested or riddled with obese sweaty losers in their moms basement pouring their moms credit card and all their time into it. I honestly feel for these newer people who want to get into the games community but can't because the game is so broken...
But every good player isn't on the edge of his seat sweating and breaking their keyboard if they die, they're most likely just casually pubstomping and the new player happens to be in the way
imagine the sniper picked up a medkit before he could die from fire damage 9:18
Kinda funny how it's being review bombed now.
Hello
You are everywhere
I remember when I was a really new player, and I fell on a server with many, MANY bots. I saw a Sniper spinning around and aiming at the ceiling, and at the time I had no idea what he was doing so I literally just copied him and started shooting at the cieling too. I think that was pretty funny
I once saw a negative review for tf2 that simply said "can't sex the scout"
I saw one that said you can't have sex with Saxton Hale.
a true travesty@@Digicara64
i havent seen any bots in casuals for a while now
The sad thing is that some of the reviews actually make sense
There's actually no bad comments. Every comment is about an update or some people says "Do not look at Negative comments, it's good"
hey I love these videos, and you've been spot-on though I disagree with your stance on pay-to-play. on one hand, trading is not against the ToS like other games, so it's slightly easier to do, assuming you know the sites to do the trading in. on the other, it's scary to see a desktop game with a store. you need to know what to buy to even be able to trade, probably wait 14 days because teading requires Guard while buying games doesn't, and you better not have too many items already because even the permium inventory might not fit.
duecto the free-to-play nature, more people will at least try to play it so the negative reviews are likely more trustworthy of a bigger group of players, as is shown in the video, and an inconvenience of 14 days of pure stock after having spent money on it if you even know how this phone game-looking shop is supposed to work is still a big hurdle.
obviously, paid games have a group of players filtered out before they try and review it which makes them a bit more skewed, but somehow getting these weapons costs more time even if you paid, unless you pay for the equivelant of 2 AAA games
I have no problem telling new players to git gud.
after all there was the toxic 5000h players back when I was new telling me to just git gud at it.
its a thing that hardly exists these days when skill ceilings are brought so low its practically claustrophobic.
So I'm not sure when the review about tf2 being pay 2 win was made but many years ago there were this bullshit item sets that required you to not only have certain weapons equipped but also a hat and in exchange the gave you some strong bonuses such as scout having +25 health with a milkman set, soldier having 20% damage resistance from sentry guns with tankbuster set, and sniper being outright immune to headshots with croc-o-style set. The problem is that if you were f2p you couldn't even craft the hat for this item set because of valve arbitary restrictions on crafting, and you couldn't trade for them because f2p players can't trade.
...you mentioned that TF2 isn't P2P and casually glossed over the fact that the people who don't pay 5 dollars can't:
- speak. Yes, speak. They can't use voice commands nor use voice or text chat.
- they can't have friends. They can only speak to people if someone else adds them. But why would someone add them if they can't speak?
So basically you're alienated in this game unless you pay valve money. You can't play (properly) unless you pay valve 5 bucks. Notice how those F2Ps only had #1: 2 hours, #2: 40 hours. Surely, they'd have had more hours if they could interact with the game and not be a spectator with legs and a gun.
People who say that this game is not dead have stockholm syndrome
thank you so much for telling me about scrap tf as a old returning player who sold all my items years ago that really helped me get back into the game
while nothing is pay to win, here are all the unlocks that defenetly gives an edge to people who get them, as opposed to being sidegrades.
- The crusaders crossbow for the medic
And thats pretty much it. Sure you have the wrangler and scorch shot which need nerfs, but I used to be a pyro main and never used the scorch shot and did fine, detonator is more fun and does the same anyways.
Also chat
Ubersaw
also Diamondback and L'Etranger
@@Ghost-jq4eyat least L'Etranger has an actual downside to it, being that you cant shoot people very far becouse 19 damage. But cant say anything about the diomandback.
I've been playing this game longer than most of these kids have been alive. life is cruel man :(
5:06 you forgot to mention that all unlockable weapons can be unlocked even if you are free to play. You can get weapons from random drops and achievements and you can try out any weapon in the game for free and use it in servers from the Mann Co. Store. So even if the unlockable weapons were all incredibly op and much better than stock, it still wouldn’t be free to play.
It takes way to long to get every basic version of a weapon without paying for thar
@@calebbarnhouse496 That's how free to play games work, you can unlock items and other good stuff by playing the game, but it's a heavy grind. It's how these type of games are able to make money, because a good number of people refuse to take the time and patience to get the stuff without paying a penny
@@jmann6368 and in 2016 battlefront 2 you could get every hero with grinding, but it's pretty obvious that you weren't gonna get everything without it, but beyond that with how much of tf2 monitization is about cosmetic, the base version of each weapon probably should be given to each player at the start
I havnt played in a few years but one of my favorite things to do was play as soldier and use the cow mangler gun and then use it to snipe people. It was extremely inefficient but ridiculously funny every time i got a kill.
(For anyone who doesnt know, the coe mangler was a gun that shot a very slow moving lazer that dealt meh damage but caught fire to anyone it hit. It was especially fun to snipe snipers with it because if you play against the same person fir enough time you can easily predict when they will peak out and time the bolt to hit them almost every time.)
thats the alt fire also it does good dmg
I really want to get into tf2. But between my horrible setup making it take half a match to get into one (not valve's fault), the bots making it insufferable to try to interact with a match in a meaningful way (a lot more valve's fault), a lot of interesting content hidden behind paywalls that i can't be bothered to get around (mostly valve's fault), and the general difficulty of trying to get into a game that has been around for so long and populated almost entirely by hardcore fans (not valve's fault... But there would be more casual fans if they maintained the game better) it just doesn't seem worth the effort when i can play a single player game and get a far less new player hostile environment. Shame, really
My favorite negative review is the last one. They knew someone was gonna be scrolling through negative reviews and left this. Best review ever.
6:00 actually, the stock and original are very slightly different. Stock shoots it at a very small offset to the bottom right/left depending on your current game settings (whether its set to left or right handed) and the original shoots straight from the middle. im pretty sure shounic has a video on this
Literally everyone knows this, that's why people use it
correction:
the original is actually slightly different than the rocket launcher other than its model. the original shoots from the center, while the stock shoots from the right. therefore, you can shoot while peeking a left corner AND a right corner with the original, unlike stock.
now that i got my nerdiness out of the way, great video :)
Tf2 is the only good multiplayer game because it doesn't appeal to eSports or "ultra skill focused" gaming like valo, league, ow, and fornite. It's about fun and goofing around. Infinitely better than the garbage permitting modern multiplayer gamss
Don't you know about faceit ? x)
@@timoobert1881 I do but luckily the tryhardiness of that doesn't bleed into normal casual games. If you load up a. Game of league you are in game where 7 if the 10 players want to be the next big eSports star and ruin the experience for everyone
@Op-gogo luckily I don't need to. I just have the passive game knowledge I learned over the years and I don't even need to care about the eternal grind to keep up with bullshit.
@@abrenmam FaceIt flopped hard because they advertised themselves as casual but it's full of shitty competitive stuff like PUNISHMENTS FOR LEAVING, A ELO SYSTEM, REWARDS FOR WINNING
@@Anderson-kg5ex punishment for leaving is one of the main reasons modern games suck. It means you are stuck with so many people who either think they are gods or troll. And it makes people toxic to you if you dare to not play absolutely perfectly. If your while team sucks in casual, you leave no problem. If 1 person sucks in OW, it means you suffer for 30 minutes
I can’t believe there’s still new reviews
It makes me so happy to hear RoR1 music in the background
for the p2p or p2w reviews you should have tried to find ones from before the f2p mute update
5:06 this review is so funny because the only stock weapons that are terrible or at most just mediocre are the Syringe gun, the SMG (Which is pretty decent) and 5 stock melees (Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Heavy, Medic.). Even then, your melee's will typically be your least used weapon, unless your either a Spy or Engineer (who both have good stock melee's) or a Demoknight (who you physically cannot play till you have some unlocks).
for the most of the video i agree with you except on 7:20 man co even if it costs more its more easily accessiable and more easily currency knowing, other sites only except some currencies however man co is more easy and newplayer friendly and simple
I can even have to click ' try the weapon ', and then I gonna have it, I know it's only for one week but still.
he got an achievement look how happy he is 5:38
Finally someone explaining that the weapon unlocks aren’t pay to win
plus its incredibly annoying when I go on game, and I already have either a box of weapons
They are talking about calling medic
they kinda are pay to win, look at spy, all his best stuff you have to pay or pray to rng you get it
@@Ghost-jq4ey It's more like a p2f.
(Pay to Fast).
4:56 they did improve casual eventually
There are some slight differences between the original and the stock rocket launcher, which change the way you approach rocket jumping.
In normal gameplay? Not really.
@@jbrnsek You cant peak around corners with original the same way you do with stock,but its rarely an issue
Maybe it's cause I mainly play single player games but I don't understand how someone with 20-30hrs into a game makes them a new player?
2:04 ha ha. Pressure on valve
Har har
1:35 because that son of a gaben's hired ONE guy to fix the game.
They're not a game company anymore. Given the fact that they are working on stuff that's outside games like the recent Steam Deck, or their own VR Headset, it's safe to say they aren't a game company anymore, but more of just a market.
you know all the things that ur saying are related and need theyre games to play right
BOTS ARE GONE NOW WITH THE SUMMER UPDATE
THE SEAL SCARED THEM
Team Fortress 2. A masterpiece left to wither. Neglected by the very hands who created it, giving all it's got to keep others happy. The community feels as decrepit as the game has, and I feel like the developers are starting to see it. I think there's going to be a bright future for TF2. If they push past the spaghetti code, and see past the tough, they'll be able to repolish the diamond, and make TF2 the best it can be.
Sadly, it is extremely difficult to recode something that is hard to understand in the first place, retro-engineering stuff because the knowledge is somehow lost, it will take time and money. Better to develop directly TF3, that will be TF2 with clean code I hope (we can dream)
I laughed, I cried, I eat fish pie, but most of all I want to kill my friends in game.
0:44 children be like💀💀💀
I love how most of the video is a rant about meet your match and the bot crisis