I was there at Greenbox ground zero and everything in this vid was incredibly comprehensive and unbiased. I didn't even realise how egregious the zone manipulating was, or that he CHEATED MY MAP. Awesome stuff as always htwo
I'm glad you liked it! I didn't actually know any courses at all were cheated until boshy told me a couple he'd cheated, one of which he mentioned being on jump_sleepy. It's pretty wild that this is how you found out lmao
Oh hey! Not only are you relevant in this story, but you also enjoy a great game! (Based on your profile picture) Honestly just happy that dst is somewhere else than just in the bubble of the few people that play the game, admittedly one of the biggest indie games, but still small.
@@notgabenI can confirm, I have a beta key and in my experience it's been absolutely amazing, it feels so much better than jumping in TF2 itself does. I'm a somewhat skilled but still casual player who's only beaten a few T5s, and despite that I almost immediately noticed how much of a difference the technical improvements make in my jumping.
think what strikes me about this video is how human Boshy feels in the end, despite feeling like some sort of larger-than-life God at the beginning. at first when the video revealed he was caught cheating i was expecting it to go a la Dream where they dig their heels into the ground, but Boshy transparently admitting why he did what he did and moving forward from it is a dose of honesty that feels missing from the way a lot of people handle these things.
He only admitted to the things that he was directly exposed about, slowly admitting more as more evidence came through. That is typical cheater behavior and nothing to be glorified
"I felt entitled to those times because I had the skill to get them" This little insidious sentence carries all the merit as it shows exactly why and how even the best of the best manage to lose their integrity.
This is pretty insightful. Some people grow bored of what they are good at, and with the lack of a challenge, they just feel like they are entitled to the win because they don’t want to do tedious stuff repetitively. When they get the power to take away the repetitive grind, they just cheat because they think that they can back up the time anyways.
The more and more you win the more painful loss becomes, when you let victory go to your head then then losing becomes so detrimental you are willing to abandon everything you stood for.
I say it was all planned from the start being the only admin having to also keep up with times of being top dealing with constant work that needs more then a single admin and also having to take care of irl things like job i know those above didn't plan to make any new admins so only a single path was left to make sure the game got more admins the work could be split between removing the last admin also couldn't be any normal leave because i doubt the ones that can make new admins would do it from just a normal leave not really like word would get to them anyway so best option abuse the power and force them to get new admins so they can ban him cause this path would certainly get the attention of those who can add new admins
I still have a pair of vintage gunboats signed by boshy way before the cheating allegations as I enjoyed jumping and boshy was the best I feel like its a neat mark of history, "boshy's gunboats" with the desc "signed before the incident" I enjoy his tempus jumps to this day despite the cheating, I don't support cheating but I also don't see why I can't watch his amazing movement from time to time The gunboats will never be sold and is one of my prized possessions, definitely worth the key I gave to get it signed
Yeah, I think deleting the record of the runs was a bad move. Even if all of the runs were considered as invalid, they should still be archived and available for public viewing. Based on the video, none of the cheating boshy did was as bad as the ones from the CS bhop community where the cheated runs are basically tool-assisted. I suppose map editing is worse in its own way, but at the very least, the movement is still all human and takes extreme skill to do.
@@mark030531 I think it was a "just in case" moment considering they only caught boshy cheating for editing star/end pos and abusing /s /t for bhops in bonuses, they most likely have in their TOS that any form of cheating will result in all their times being wiped from the platform as a way to convince jumpers that cheating even to get a fraction of a second faster is NOT worth it
I think deleting all of his past records regardless of their legitimacy was the best move. It seems that this was a wakeup call he needed and I don't expect him to cheat again because of how self aware he is about it.
Ngl I would of perma banned him. Yeah your a good jumper but there's literally no way you should ever be trusted ever again considering all doubling down and admin abused committed. It sucks to suck and you sucked hard.
Good work! Few minor corrections/precisions: 3:25 - Pretty sure Vice came up with that strat, not Boshy. Also Boshy got a 2:11 offline run on the map last year, which completely blows the 2:18 out of the water. 4:56 - What you show here is not a bhop but an uncrouched bounce. At that height, uncrouched bounces are a lot easier and safer than bhops because the timing window for your input is significantly bigger. 5:46 - Tempus Cup was essentially a rebranding of Beginnings. It had the same format/rules, a lot of the same contributors, just under a new administration. It’s basically BG7. 6:58 - If we want to be picky, it’s 1/66.666… of a second, or 0.015 seconds. 7:53 - Wrong definition of jumpbug. A jumpbug is uncrouching+jumping on same tick. Pretty much everyone (including Boshy) just put those 2 inputs (-duck;+jump) on a single key, so it’s virtually the same as a bhop in terms of execution, it's just a single tick perfect input. So for when b5, no it’s not 16 tick perfect inputs, it’s still 8. However, current WR by sx extends the sequence of jumpbugs further to skip the drop pogo, making it 10 tick perfect inputs. It's also worth noting that Boshy first got super dominant on Tempus thanks mostly to his wallpogo skills, he got way better at it than everyone else at the time, and since demo maps as soldier are usually mostly wallpogo, he got a buttload of points by getting and keeping wr on pretty much all wallpogo maps on Tempus. He eventually branched out to more conventional soldier maps as well, and ended up being just as dominant on those, but this happened a bit later in his career.
@@VrOOm1337 I can't speak for other source games, but in TF2 uncrouching mid-air is instant. The uncrouching, grounding, and jumping all happen in the same tick when performing a jumpbug. Jumpbugs are possible when your vertical position is such that if you were to uncrouch, your hitbox would end up 0-2 units above the floor surface. Normally, you are in such position for only 1 tick, and specific vertical alignment is required which is why we use setups for jumpbugs just like for regular bounces. However, unlike bounces and bhops, it is theoretically possible to have an opportunity window longer than one tick IF you are falling extremely slowly (slower than 2 units/tick), say thanks to modified gravity value. But I've never seen this used anywhere.
Great video. Been part of the jump community for over a decade, made maps, and fizzled out. Glad to see so many people watching the thing that I've had endless love for.
randomly ran into this video, I can say that this is well done, good job and thank you for researching, compiling, writing, editing, and sharing this story of history, it may seem insignificant in the grand scheme, but what you made still matters, after all its a show of your effort, and that is priceless.
Great video! It's really nice to have the history of Boshy in a video format, both because of how interesting it is and because It's way easier to access information about the whole story this way.
Saw this come up in chat while watching a jumping stream. I got to learn about Boshy's shenanigans from friends who are/were jump admins, so I am seriously impressed to learn even more from this video. It was also very well researched, paced, and put together. Bonus points for staying objective! Well done :)
Thank you very much for making this video, it's great to see some quality jumping lore! I have a few little things to add: 1) 3:17 - and he actually got a 2:11 offline run on this map 2 years later! 2) During the first ban all of Boshy's bonus times were wiped, only map and course times were left. After that he was still extremely far ahead on the soldier leaderboard by more than 100k (maybe even 150k, don't remember exactly) points. 3) After the full wipe the community made a list of Boshy WRs for reference. I think it's quite a thing on tempus network right now to try to beat those WRs :) Currently there are 40 WRs left to beat, including offline runs and some demoman WRs. Some of them (like apex) are very close to unbeatable. 4) 22:32 - it was not just his first time set, it was his first RUN in the tournament after a small start reset.
whats worse is that he is that incredible at rocket jumping, it was realistically just technicalities for world record times and not bothering to work as hard on a map as he could have also, love the twangs of outer wilds music that were subtle at the end! it sparked in my brain the moment i realised what it was
As someone who knew NOTHING about the scene or this entire story, despite being into rocket jumping, I really appreciate how objective you were and how you aimed to tell the story as it happened.
hey dude i know your probably not gonna see this video but youre one of my favourite youtubers ever and you got me into tf2 and i just wanna say keepup the good work dude
Wonderful video! I'm really glad you have made Boshy's history in a video format, as more people outside of jump may find it interesting and also It's way more accessible to both people who jump and those who don't.
Amazing video! It's really good to have a video format of the history of Boshy, both because of how intriguing it is and because the information is way more accessible to everyone about the whole story this way.
Oh man... the rocket jump maps were really the evolutions from the conc jumping maps from original TF. The demand for fun skill-based tech, (like surf in CS even), has been high for most valve games. This was a great montage and mini-documentary.
I liked the video, the edits, music, sound effects, video clips and just the whole story of boshy, I felt that I really learned something and this is the first time I cam across this channel and I love these type of story commentaries. You are heavily underrated
I get the entitlement part, but this isn't really a case of manipulating RNG to skip grinding to get records quicker. Adjusting the start/end points would be like if Dream reduced the Ender Dragon's health to attain a faster time.
Enrapturing video on a small but dedicated community. I’m impressed by how Boshy has been able to come clean and keep on jumping, I hope he is able to come back to earning world records and accept that he can’t always win them all.
Very interesting story. It’s nice to see a cheater actually admitting that they did it, accepting the punishment and retribution, having actual plausible reasoning for why they did it that doesn’t sound them just making things up to get forgiveness, AND having the actual skills to still claim WRs without cheating, just with a little more grinding.
Boshy dug his heels in, vehemently denied further cheating and used admin privileges to destroy evidence. If it wasn't for the tempus detectives he wouldn't have admitted to anything, only acknowledging a cheated run once it was a fact. As pointed out in the video, no one knows if he's cheated in ways that are not possible to detect. It's obvious from past behaviour he would never admit it if he did.
@@McskillWhile of course true, I do believe his reasoning for why he cheated which I think is interesting. The entitlement over the records shows at least some ability to self reflect which from a human perspective is good.
@@McskillThe guilt and the punishment might have given him a lesson, changing him. If he didn't get caught, he would still be entitled and wouldn't change. That's how being a human works. Just because in alternative he is still entitled doesn't mean he is horrible here. Sometimes you need the punishment to change and time to think about it.
@@tridos2574 Perhaps Boshy is a better person today, I don't know. I just feel like saying "It's nice to see a cheater admitting to what they did..." Is, while not untrue, kinda misrepresenting what went down.
@@Mcskill Yeah, I get what you mean. Sometimes, they don't really mean it when they admit things. Sometimes, they do it so the situation doesn't snowball harshly on them. Plus, a cheater admitting of cheating is a bit common.
there's one karl jobst video amongst many about cheating. I can't recall exactly how he phrased it, but he said experienced players don't cheat to get a fast time, they cheat to get a time faster it may seem paradoxical, but good players are more likely to cheat, the better they are, the more likely cheating is
A good way to explain why these top quality players cheat is. if you had to do something that took 9 hours no matter what, but then had 1 minute of actual skill based gameplay, but that 9 hours could randomly kill the run based purely on bad RNG. Yes a good player could get world record, but so could a random who just gets lucky. and a world record runner could take countless runs to get the lucky run. So some will just cheat to skip to the actual skill based moments.
Awesome video essay Awesomely laid out and even though I’m not even involved in TF2 or the community, I loved watching this and you kept it interesting the whole way though! Thanks!
I actually recall this when i read almost the full story on jumptf forum during COVID year (obviously). My favorite one was the fact about reero's entire video about this incident (mostly "the ballad of the boshy" titled). About his rng bhop statement. This is similar to how Minecraft speedrunner would ended up cheating because it's greatly involved based on luck. Anyway, nice to have this uploaded. My favorite jump content creator so far! ^^
"The source engine is home to some of the best and most skill-expressive movement in all of gaming" It's also home to some of the most baffling spaghetti in all of gaming, but that's neither here nor there.
Gotta say. I agree with the admins, records are valid on trust, and there's no way to know if boshy may or may not have utilized some way that really was undetectable.
Amazing video!! I actually was grinding a lot on tempus maps when all of this happened , so I already knew almost all of the story, but it felt great watching and hearing everything you told in the video, specially the boshy's thoughts part. Love rocket jumping and thus is part of the history of it.
I love how much Risk of Rain 2, Terraria, and Calamity Mod's music is being used in videos. They all make such amazing music and I'm glad they get the recongnition they deserve. Also, great video!
Recognition doesn't pay the bills. You're literally doing the paying with exposure thing. The musician who produced the RoR2 soundtrack hates that people use his music in videos without paying him.
This man's track record of world records reads like a description of the feats of a mythological demigod, not some dude playing a now 16 year old game.
If theyre the best at said skill, they very much do have the skill, its just a matter of putting in the time. they get annoyed while putting in the time, feel entitled and then cheat bc they know they can do it just are too frustrated they haven't yet after possibly tens of hundreds of hours. this is a very common story throughout all games, specifically in speedrunning. trackmania, minecraft, and hundreds of more games have had one of the best players outted as a cheater and they almost always cheated for that reason
I love and appreciate how you portrayed Boshy as not a character in a story, but a real human that deserves to be treated like one. Too many stories of 'legends' in a community portray them as something larger than life and it's easy to worship them by the end of the video or demonize them. You did a great job at showing what happened, making Boshy still feel human by the end, and have the viewer accept everything that has happened yet still hope for something better in the future. Fantastic video, hope you make more of these.
reminds me of riolu a trackmania player that was on top of the game, even got hired by the developpers to set some pro times for players to beat turns out he was slowing down the game using cheat engine in some of the runs, but unlike Boshy, he vanished kind of ruined the "accessibility" side of the game since now you need to apply a patch to it
Okay guys, i see a lot of people praising how he handled the situation. But here is the timeline: Boshy denied everything at first. Then when more evidence came, he said he only cheated a few bonuses. Then when more evidence came, he admitted to cheating many bonuses but only bonuses. Then a looong time after that (and more evidence), he finally admits cheating courses as well.
I was gonna write a whole essay as someone that has administrative knowledge on a business level here but I am afraid it might be taken the wrong way. The tl:dr; Never let the top-dog make the rules or force them to choose the rules. If someone is allowed to play God in the ambient they enjoy the most, they are gonna. It's human behaviour, he literally fell into it despite his best intentions. Administrative decisions shouldn't be judged by those that are not allowed in a system where only Admin decisions matter. If there is no voting system (simplyfing it of course) the community shouldn't be able to have weigh in the change, only those allowed to (Admins). Don't wipe the very memory of something important that happened within the community, regardless of whether it is cheated or not! Make it still accessible through secondary ways and if possible check the veridicity to the best of the community's abilities. Pieces of History shouldn't be rubbed away with such simplicity. I hope the clips / whatever data is still available somewhere. This just generates Lost Media. When athletes cheat in regular sports are the videos of them doing so deleted? No, it's still proof of human prowess in one way or the other and has some relevance in the big scheme of things, it simply doesn't follow the rules and should be ignored for Official rankings. Is it about the speed, or about the story we wrote along the way? I'd like to add that Just because something can change if given time, doesn't make what happened before useless, if for whatever amount corrupted. There'd be some more, but this is the important stuff.
just here to comment to help this in the algorithm :p also cuz it's really cool to see this covered, as someone who always watches Rocket Jump Weekly vids cheers !
Great video, it's insane just how dominant boshy was, at one point, he had 300k points on just soldier, which was almost 200k over second place... not to mention he was also one of the top demo jumpers. By the way, he also reran jump_jurf offline just like apex, his time offline was actually 2:11
I can relate with his explanation. I do stuff with that in singleplayer games like terraria all the time, and at first you say to yourself "oh i'll just do it once". Then it becomes an addiction
Cheating in single offline player is fine by me. I do it a lot. I don't play multiplayer anyway but if I did I wouldn't cheat. You're playing about (emotions etc) with something that affects other people.
Funny little side note, in the intro "My Only Chance" from the Furi soundtrack plays, and while this was happening I also had "What we fight for" playing on Spotify. So I had to do a quick double take and make sure that I had never noticed that those 2 songs had some overlap.
This kind of essay is incredibly important for the gaming community as a whole. Thank you for putting so much effort into it. You're doing great, and as a communicator I am glad to see you addressing every fallacy when judging things like this.
I love this story as it shows what actually happens in our world. Boshy getting legit #1 on Tempus put a lot of pressure on him and I think he only needed some moral support. It's sad that he chose the wrong path but I still love his story, him admitting to allegations yet still not leaving the game but take it less seriously. I hope Boshy gets another legit #1 and that he'd keep it for much longer, if hes not going to get bored
With how good they seem to be, and how well they seem to have introspected to be able to explain exactly why they cheated, I think that they could make a comeback and earn some trust again. Only time will tell, though.
I saw Boshy once while I was playing on a jump map late one night. He was on Demoman and seemed to be hovering, air-stickying across the map at around 1000mph. That always stuck in my mind, especially since I had been struggling heavily on the jump.
Great video! This has needed to exist for a long time now and you did a great job of being objective but also entertaining. Also since it wasn't made super clear in this video, after boshy's original 3 month ban quite a few months passed where he was unbanned and actively playing on tempus setting new wrs. During this time period he had no admin powers so it would have been basically impossible to cheat map wrs (was banned from playing bonuses). Also during this time he would set his all of his most prestigious wrs offline (apex, jurf, jurf2, omega, rebound and gateway etc.), and as these runs were streamed we can say with 100% confidence they weren't cheated (incase anyone was wondering). These runs are also considered to be his most 'unbeatable' wrs, and are so far ahead of the community's general skill level it's honestly insane. Also in terms of being the most prolific cheater I'd actually argue that the demo player Jorge cheated far more than boshy, with 50+ cheated bonus wrs I believe (mostly using macros to bhop and some people believe to triple pre too). Maybe a good follow up to this video :P
I definitely think that his skill is highly impressive, which nobody wouldn't say that. However him not only abusing admin power to cheat but most of all; blocking people because they are threatening his times shows a serious flaw in character that I hope he reflects on if he hasn't.
I am a little flabbergasted this guy is allowed to eventually come back at all and is even welcome at tournaments. As you say yourself, speedrun communities like these are entirely trust-based and after stuff like this you are done for good if you ask me.
The idea of RNG making one feel entitled is incredibly relatable. I've been speedrunning a game recently where I get all kills in a certain level before leaving. Occasionally I will get a situation where I have an amazing time but the kill counter is stuck at 99%. Almost every time this has happened I go searching for what enemy is left and it is always this one enemy who gets stuck in a room on the way to where the final fight is held and I lose what would be a personal best time because of random pathing. I've always just reset my run and try again (I eventually did get a good time) but I can 100% understand how someone might feel this situation is unfair and use a cheat to just...delete that one enemy.
His redemption arc is just perfect. He was the best, but got caught cheating, which completely nullified his records, his reputation and absolutely kicked him out from world records, but he got back by dominating a competition with his own unrivaled skill. Anime plot worth
I think this has a chance to really pop in the algorithm. People really eat up these little esports docs. I hope it does too, it's a great way to get the word out about jumping
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I was there at Greenbox ground zero and everything in this vid was incredibly comprehensive and unbiased. I didn't even realise how egregious the zone manipulating was, or that he CHEATED MY MAP. Awesome stuff as always htwo
I'm glad you liked it! I didn't actually know any courses at all were cheated until boshy told me a couple he'd cheated, one of which he mentioned being on jump_sleepy. It's pretty wild that this is how you found out lmao
@@htwo1 Would you happen to have a list of what music you used in this video? Especially at 3:41
@@Erazorize That's the Crabulon Theme from Terraria Calamity mod, but there's too many songs to list them all haha
Oh hey! Not only are you relevant in this story, but you also enjoy a great game! (Based on your profile picture)
Honestly just happy that dst is somewhere else than just in the bubble of the few people that play the game, admittedly one of the biggest indie games, but still small.
@@htwo1 any notes on the intro piano?
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I love how there is so much to rocketjumping that it can honestly be its own game.
me when momentum mod
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@@notgabenI can confirm, I have a beta key and in my experience it's been absolutely amazing, it feels so much better than jumping in TF2 itself does. I'm a somewhat skilled but still casual player who's only beaten a few T5s, and despite that I almost immediately noticed how much of a difference the technical improvements make in my jumping.
Momentum Mod :)
think what strikes me about this video is how human Boshy feels in the end, despite feeling like some sort of larger-than-life God at the beginning. at first when the video revealed he was caught cheating i was expecting it to go a la Dream where they dig their heels into the ground, but Boshy transparently admitting why he did what he did and moving forward from it is a dose of honesty that feels missing from the way a lot of people handle these things.
You just spoilt the whole thing for me
@@047cjoshuaanthony6 lmfao this is what you get for going to the Comments section (where people comment about the video they just watched)
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He only admitted to the things that he was directly exposed about, slowly admitting more as more evidence came through. That is typical cheater behavior and nothing to be glorified
"I felt entitled to those times because I had the skill to get them"
This little insidious sentence carries all the merit as it shows exactly why and how even the best of the best manage to lose their integrity.
it really does apply to a lot of other cheaters, a lot of cheaters are already skilled, they just dont agree with losing
This is pretty insightful. Some people grow bored of what they are good at, and with the lack of a challenge, they just feel like they are entitled to the win because they don’t want to do tedious stuff repetitively. When they get the power to take away the repetitive grind, they just cheat because they think that they can back up the time anyways.
And honestly? Understandable. Shitty but still.
The more and more you win the more painful loss becomes, when you let victory go to your head then then losing becomes so detrimental you are willing to abandon everything you stood for.
The fact he held the title for 6 years was already sussy.
Damn, that was a real rollercoaster. Went from rooting for Boshy to despising him, to hoping he learns from his mistakes and gets his redemption arc.
honestly rooting for him again now
I say it was all planned from the start being the only admin having to also keep up with times of being top dealing with constant work that needs more then a single admin and also having to take care of irl things like job i know those above didn't plan to make any new admins so only a single path was left to make sure the game got more admins the work could be split between removing the last admin also couldn't be any normal leave because i doubt the ones that can make new admins would do it from just a normal leave not really like word would get to them anyway so best option abuse the power and force them to get new admins so they can ban him cause this path would certainly get the attention of those who can add new admins
I still have a pair of vintage gunboats signed by boshy way before the cheating allegations as I enjoyed jumping and boshy was the best
I feel like its a neat mark of history, "boshy's gunboats" with the desc "signed before the incident"
I enjoy his tempus jumps to this day despite the cheating, I don't support cheating but I also don't see why I can't watch his amazing movement from time to time
The gunboats will never be sold and is one of my prized possessions, definitely worth the key I gave to get it signed
Sort of melancholy story, but I guess in a way it'll be a good ending when boshy comes back with a clean and clear win streak
@@ashirii8347 it will be, he has potential and just fell for one of the easier tricks pros usually fall into, we all await his revival in august
Yeah, I think deleting the record of the runs was a bad move. Even if all of the runs were considered as invalid, they should still be archived and available for public viewing. Based on the video, none of the cheating boshy did was as bad as the ones from the CS bhop community where the cheated runs are basically tool-assisted. I suppose map editing is worse in its own way, but at the very least, the movement is still all human and takes extreme skill to do.
@@mark030531 I think it was a "just in case" moment considering they only caught boshy cheating for editing star/end pos and abusing /s /t for bhops in bonuses, they most likely have in their TOS that any form of cheating will result in all their times being wiped from the platform as a way to convince jumpers that cheating even to get a fraction of a second faster is NOT worth it
@@mark030531Was it a bad call? In a way, yeah. But in my opinion it was the best option in this sort of scenario.
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I think deleting all of his past records regardless of their legitimacy was the best move. It seems that this was a wakeup call he needed and I don't expect him to cheat again because of how self aware he is about it.
We will see
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I agree. Cheating should be harsh. He's lucky to not be perma banned.
Ngl I would of perma banned him. Yeah your a good jumper but there's literally no way you should ever be trusted ever again considering all doubling down and admin abused committed. It sucks to suck and you sucked hard.
He should've been permanently banned from ever being able to set times again. This was a slap on the wrist, if anything.
Good work! Few minor corrections/precisions:
3:25 - Pretty sure Vice came up with that strat, not Boshy. Also Boshy got a 2:11 offline run on the map last year, which completely blows the 2:18 out of the water.
4:56 - What you show here is not a bhop but an uncrouched bounce. At that height, uncrouched bounces are a lot easier and safer than bhops because the timing window for your input is significantly bigger.
5:46 - Tempus Cup was essentially a rebranding of Beginnings. It had the same format/rules, a lot of the same contributors, just under a new administration. It’s basically BG7.
6:58 - If we want to be picky, it’s 1/66.666… of a second, or 0.015 seconds.
7:53 - Wrong definition of jumpbug. A jumpbug is uncrouching+jumping on same tick. Pretty much everyone (including Boshy) just put those 2 inputs (-duck;+jump) on a single key, so it’s virtually the same as a bhop in terms of execution, it's just a single tick perfect input. So for when b5, no it’s not 16 tick perfect inputs, it’s still 8. However, current WR by sx extends the sequence of jumpbugs further to skip the drop pogo, making it 10 tick perfect inputs.
It's also worth noting that Boshy first got super dominant on Tempus thanks mostly to his wallpogo skills, he got way better at it than everyone else at the time, and since demo maps as soldier are usually mostly wallpogo, he got a buttload of points by getting and keeping wr on pretty much all wallpogo maps on Tempus. He eventually branched out to more conventional soldier maps as well, and ended up being just as dominant on those, but this happened a bit later in his career.
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I thought jumpbugs were not tick perfect and that you actually have 3 ticks due to the uncrouch speed or so.
@@VrOOm1337 I can't speak for other source games, but in TF2 uncrouching mid-air is instant. The uncrouching, grounding, and jumping all happen in the same tick when performing a jumpbug.
Jumpbugs are possible when your vertical position is such that if you were to uncrouch, your hitbox would end up 0-2 units above the floor surface. Normally, you are in such position for only 1 tick, and specific vertical alignment is required which is why we use setups for jumpbugs just like for regular bounces. However, unlike bounces and bhops, it is theoretically possible to have an opportunity window longer than one tick IF you are falling extremely slowly (slower than 2 units/tick), say thanks to modified gravity value. But I've never seen this used anywhere.
@@VrOOm1337 in csgo it's easier and in portal 2 it's completely different
Great video. Been part of the jump community for over a decade, made maps, and fizzled out. Glad to see so many people watching the thing that I've had endless love for.
myself spotted at 1:41 i made it pog more jump history videos please this was so good
randomly ran into this video, I can say that this is well done, good job and thank you for researching, compiling, writing, editing, and sharing this story of history, it may seem insignificant in the grand scheme, but what you made still matters, after all its a show of your effort, and that is priceless.
great video! shame you're british :(
So very sad
Yeah, it’s a shame that he’s British and your from the Uk
At least hesnot french
least toxic internet humour
Bruh 😭
Great video! It's really nice to have the history of Boshy in a video format, both because of how interesting it is and because It's way easier to access information about the whole story this way.
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Saw this come up in chat while watching a jumping stream. I got to learn about Boshy's shenanigans from friends who are/were jump admins, so I am seriously impressed to learn even more from this video.
It was also very well researched, paced, and put together. Bonus points for staying objective!
Well done :)
this sounds like some shit that king candy from wreck it ralph would do
would you ever consider doing more videos of top jumpers in the future? this was awesome :)
Yeah it was awesome
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Thank you very much for making this video, it's great to see some quality jumping lore!
I have a few little things to add:
1) 3:17 - and he actually got a 2:11 offline run on this map 2 years later!
2) During the first ban all of Boshy's bonus times were wiped, only map and course times were left. After that he was still extremely far ahead on the soldier leaderboard by more than 100k (maybe even 150k, don't remember exactly) points.
3) After the full wipe the community made a list of Boshy WRs for reference. I think it's quite a thing on tempus network right now to try to beat those WRs :) Currently there are 40 WRs left to beat, including offline runs and some demoman WRs. Some of them (like apex) are very close to unbeatable.
4) 22:32 - it was not just his first time set, it was his first RUN in the tournament after a small start reset.
whats worse is that he is that incredible at rocket jumping, it was realistically just technicalities for world record times and not bothering to work as hard on a map as he could have
also, love the twangs of outer wilds music that were subtle at the end! it sparked in my brain the moment i realised what it was
Because of the quality of your videos I'm always surprised that there's not 1.2 mil views off the bat
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welcome to youtube after 19 years in development, hopefully it will be worth the wait
As someone who knew NOTHING about the scene or this entire story, despite being into rocket jumping, I really appreciate how objective you were and how you aimed to tell the story as it happened.
hey dude i know your probably not gonna see this video but youre one of my favourite youtubers ever and you got me into tf2 and i just wanna say keepup the good work dude
I saw 👀
Thanks!
theyre not gonna see their own video...? what?
i dont know why i put video there lmao meant the comment
Wonderful video! I'm really glad you have made Boshy's history in a video format, as more people outside of jump may find it interesting and also It's way more accessible to both people who jump and those who don't.
"Rank number one isn't an achievement, it's a prison which forces you to dedicate your to life to defending a temporary title."
-Technoblade
Technoblade never dies
OUTSTANDING video, i love the style of editing and script writing you have, very nice to watch
Amazing video! It's really good to have a video format of the history of Boshy, both because of how intriguing it is and because the information is way more accessible to everyone about the whole story this way.
i had no idea rocket jumping had this type of lore, great video!
Love this style of video. Really shows the lengths you go to to make this high quality content. Keep up the good work my man!
Oh man... the rocket jump maps were really the evolutions from the conc jumping maps from original TF. The demand for fun skill-based tech, (like surf in CS even), has been high for most valve games. This was a great montage and mini-documentary.
You can say that one may Wanna Be The Boshy
Beautiful video about jumping combined with the calamity soundtrack gives me a feeling I can't describe. Very good video!
Oh God more jumping videos please this was amazing. Good structure to it, good flow, well spoken. Nice video brother
I liked the video, the edits, music, sound effects, video clips and just the whole story of boshy, I felt that I really learned something and this is the first time I cam across this channel and I love these type of story commentaries. You are heavily underrated
I get the entitlement part, but this isn't really a case of manipulating RNG to skip grinding to get records quicker. Adjusting the start/end points would be like if Dream reduced the Ender Dragon's health to attain a faster time.
Enrapturing video on a small but dedicated community. I’m impressed by how Boshy has been able to come clean and keep on jumping, I hope he is able to come back to earning world records and accept that he can’t always win them all.
this is such a good video. easily one of my favorite tf2 video essays i’ve seen!!
Very interesting story. It’s nice to see a cheater actually admitting that they did it, accepting the punishment and retribution, having actual plausible reasoning for why they did it that doesn’t sound them just making things up to get forgiveness, AND having the actual skills to still claim WRs without cheating, just with a little more grinding.
Boshy dug his heels in, vehemently denied further cheating and used admin privileges to destroy evidence. If it wasn't for the tempus detectives he wouldn't have admitted to anything, only acknowledging a cheated run once it was a fact. As pointed out in the video, no one knows if he's cheated in ways that are not possible to detect. It's obvious from past behaviour he would never admit it if he did.
@@McskillWhile of course true, I do believe his reasoning for why he cheated which I think is interesting. The entitlement over the records shows at least some ability to self reflect which from a human perspective is good.
@@McskillThe guilt and the punishment might have given him a lesson, changing him. If he didn't get caught, he would still be entitled and wouldn't change. That's how being a human works. Just because in alternative he is still entitled doesn't mean he is horrible here. Sometimes you need the punishment to change and time to think about it.
@@tridos2574 Perhaps Boshy is a better person today, I don't know. I just feel like saying "It's nice to see a cheater admitting to what they did..." Is, while not untrue, kinda misrepresenting what went down.
@@Mcskill Yeah, I get what you mean. Sometimes, they don't really mean it when they admit things. Sometimes, they do it so the situation doesn't snowball harshly on them. Plus, a cheater admitting of cheating is a bit common.
there's one karl jobst video amongst many about cheating. I can't recall exactly how he phrased it, but he said experienced players don't cheat to get a fast time, they cheat to get a time faster
it may seem paradoxical, but good players are more likely to cheat, the better they are, the more likely cheating is
That thumbnail looks very familiar... I will be sending my lawyers.
Jokes aside, this was a great video, nice job man.
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It is nice to hear that he acknowledged it, and owned up to it, but deleting all of his runs was the right thing to do, zero tolerance
how do small tf2 youtubers create the best, most interesting and well made videos on random, niche topics like this. incredible
A good way to explain why these top quality players cheat is.
if you had to do something that took 9 hours no matter what, but then had 1 minute of actual skill based gameplay, but that 9 hours could randomly kill the run based purely on bad RNG.
Yes a good player could get world record, but so could a random who just gets lucky. and a world record runner could take countless runs to get the lucky run.
So some will just cheat to skip to the actual skill based moments.
Awesome video essay
Awesomely laid out and even though I’m not even involved in TF2 or the community, I loved watching this and you kept it interesting the whole way though! Thanks!
I actually recall this when i read almost the full story on jumptf forum during COVID year (obviously). My favorite one was the fact about reero's entire video about this incident (mostly "the ballad of the boshy" titled).
About his rng bhop statement. This is similar to how Minecraft speedrunner would ended up cheating because it's greatly involved based on luck. Anyway, nice to have this uploaded. My favorite jump content creator so far! ^^
This was an awesome video. Nicely done!
"The source engine is home to some of the best and most skill-expressive movement in all of gaming"
It's also home to some of the most baffling spaghetti in all of gaming, but that's neither here nor there.
Absolutely fantastic, high quality content as always. I always look forward to an upload, never know what I'm gonna get but it never disappoints.
Gotta say. I agree with the admins, records are valid on trust, and there's no way to know if boshy may or may not have utilized some way that really was undetectable.
That why NEVER give admin to the best player
Think the bigger problem here is that he was the only admin.
Truly the definition of "absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Going through the comments on this video is some hard nostalgia. Lotta familiar faces here.
Amazing video!! I actually was grinding a lot on tempus maps when all of this happened , so I already knew almost all of the story, but it felt great watching and hearing everything you told in the video, specially the boshy's thoughts part. Love rocket jumping and thus is part of the history of it.
I love how much Risk of Rain 2, Terraria, and Calamity Mod's music is being used in videos.
They all make such amazing music and I'm glad they get the recongnition they deserve.
Also, great video!
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@@geoterra9478 Terraria Calamity Mod Music - "1NF3S+@+!0N" - Theme of Crabulon
so true. calamity music hits different
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Recognition doesn't pay the bills. You're literally doing the paying with exposure thing. The musician who produced the RoR2 soundtrack hates that people use his music in videos without paying him.
(3:42) Music played here is Crabulon's theme from the Calamity mod for Terraria, for those wondering.
Also good vid!
Hello i ran beginnings five, boshy lost the live race which means he did not win every rocket jumping race in the tournament. We must never forget
this is the main reason im scared to start speed running seriously, but mad respect for admitting to all of it and being cooperative in the end
"I wanna be the Boshy"
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
This man's track record of world records reads like a description of the feats of a mythological demigod, not some dude playing a now 16 year old game.
21:30 This is bullshit, just because they FEEL they deserve it doesn't mean they actually had the skills to do so.
If theyre the best at said skill, they very much do have the skill, its just a matter of putting in the time. they get annoyed while putting in the time, feel entitled and then cheat bc they know they can do it just are too frustrated they haven't yet after possibly tens of hundreds of hours. this is a very common story throughout all games, specifically in speedrunning. trackmania, minecraft, and hundreds of more games have had one of the best players outted as a cheater and they almost always cheated for that reason
Simply put there exists a conflict of interest between Boshy as a player and Boshy as an admin.
I love and appreciate how you portrayed Boshy as not a character in a story, but a real human that deserves to be treated like one. Too many stories of 'legends' in a community portray them as something larger than life and it's easy to worship them by the end of the video or demonize them. You did a great job at showing what happened, making Boshy still feel human by the end, and have the viewer accept everything that has happened yet still hope for something better in the future. Fantastic video, hope you make more of these.
Unfortunately, cheaters usually never learn, especially not when they have the kind of attitude that Boshy has towards competition.
reminds me of riolu
a trackmania player that was on top of the game, even got hired by the developpers to set some pro times for players to beat
turns out he was slowing down the game using cheat engine in some of the runs, but unlike Boshy, he vanished
kind of ruined the "accessibility" side of the game since now you need to apply a patch to it
this is such a great video, man. thank you for making this
Okay guys, i see a lot of people praising how he handled the situation. But here is the timeline:
Boshy denied everything at first. Then when more evidence came, he said he only cheated a few bonuses. Then when more evidence came, he admitted to cheating many bonuses but only bonuses. Then a looong time after that (and more evidence), he finally admits cheating courses as well.
Its exact same story every time really.
I was gonna write a whole essay as someone that has administrative knowledge on a business level here but I am afraid it might be taken the wrong way.
The tl:dr;
Never let the top-dog make the rules or force them to choose the rules. If someone is allowed to play God in the ambient they enjoy the most, they are gonna. It's human behaviour, he literally fell into it despite his best intentions.
Administrative decisions shouldn't be judged by those that are not allowed in a system where only Admin decisions matter. If there is no voting system (simplyfing it of course) the community shouldn't be able to have weigh in the change, only those allowed to (Admins).
Don't wipe the very memory of something important that happened within the community, regardless of whether it is cheated or not! Make it still accessible through secondary ways and if possible check the veridicity to the best of the community's abilities. Pieces of History shouldn't be rubbed away with such simplicity. I hope the clips / whatever data is still available somewhere. This just generates Lost Media.
When athletes cheat in regular sports are the videos of them doing so deleted? No, it's still proof of human prowess in one way or the other and has some relevance in the big scheme of things, it simply doesn't follow the rules and should be ignored for Official rankings. Is it about the speed, or about the story we wrote along the way?
I'd like to add that Just because something can change if given time, doesn't make what happened before useless, if for whatever amount corrupted.
There'd be some more, but this is the important stuff.
There are still videos on the Tempus records channel that show boshy's world records.
Damn, you just like Sherlock! This is amazing. Thanks for the greatest content
Absolutely amazing video. The effort that went into this is insane. I didn't know, that this happend, thank you!
It's Boshy Time!
just here to comment to help this in the algorithm :p
also cuz it's really cool to see this covered, as someone who always watches Rocket Jump Weekly vids
cheers !
you should make a video about DonnySS, the worst rocket jumper of all time
Dude just wants to win at all costs, can we all at least agree he was determined to win. WRs drive people mad is the moral of the story.
Man, what an amazing storytelling!
The setup, the unwrapping, the downfall, and the redemption.
This man needs a guiness record page
Great video, it's insane just how dominant boshy was, at one point, he had 300k points on just soldier, which was almost 200k over second place... not to mention he was also one of the top demo jumpers.
By the way, he also reran jump_jurf offline just like apex, his time offline was actually 2:11
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I can relate with his explanation. I do stuff with that in singleplayer games like terraria all the time, and at first you say to yourself "oh i'll just do it once". Then it becomes an addiction
Cheating in single offline player is fine by me. I do it a lot. I don't play multiplayer anyway but if I did I wouldn't cheat. You're playing about (emotions etc) with something that affects other people.
Man shoutout to Boshy for owning up to the little demon we all have inside of us. And shoutout to Htwo for this summary
Your closing statements about being impartial was awesome. This really should be the staple of videos like this so as to not cause witch hunting.
Thank you for giving the long form commentary videos the jumping community needs!
Funny little side note, in the intro "My Only Chance" from the Furi soundtrack plays, and while this was happening I also had "What we fight for" playing on Spotify. So I had to do a quick double take and make sure that I had never noticed that those 2 songs had some overlap.
I love Boshy The Jump anime. Thanks for covering it.
Just getting into TF2 and didn’t realise this was a thing until now. Cheers for the video
This kind of essay is incredibly important for the gaming community as a whole. Thank you for putting so much effort into it. You're doing great, and as a communicator I am glad to see you addressing every fallacy when judging things like this.
i've been waiting for jumper documentaries for like 6 years it's finally happening
The research, presenting was godlike tier in this video! love it.
"Now, it wouldn't be right to make a video like this without actually talking to the person that the video is about."
Good man. Good. Bloody. Man.
I love this story as it shows what actually happens in our world. Boshy getting legit #1 on Tempus put a lot of pressure on him and I think he only needed some moral support. It's sad that he chose the wrong path but I still love his story, him admitting to allegations yet still not leaving the game but take it less seriously. I hope Boshy gets another legit #1 and that he'd keep it for much longer, if hes not going to get bored
if the community wasnt so niche, boshy would've been swamped
With how good they seem to be, and how well they seem to have introspected to be able to explain exactly why they cheated, I think that they could make a comeback and earn some trust again. Only time will tell, though.
I saw Boshy once while I was playing on a jump map late one night. He was on Demoman and seemed to be hovering, air-stickying across the map at around 1000mph. That always stuck in my mind, especially since I had been struggling heavily on the jump.
Great video! This has needed to exist for a long time now and you did a great job of being objective but also entertaining. Also since it wasn't made super clear in this video, after boshy's original 3 month ban quite a few months passed where he was unbanned and actively playing on tempus setting new wrs. During this time period he had no admin powers so it would have been basically impossible to cheat map wrs (was banned from playing bonuses). Also during this time he would set his all of his most prestigious wrs offline (apex, jurf, jurf2, omega, rebound and gateway etc.), and as these runs were streamed we can say with 100% confidence they weren't cheated (incase anyone was wondering). These runs are also considered to be his most 'unbeatable' wrs, and are so far ahead of the community's general skill level it's honestly insane.
Also in terms of being the most prolific cheater I'd actually argue that the demo player Jorge cheated far more than boshy, with 50+ cheated bonus wrs I believe (mostly using macros to bhop and some people believe to triple pre too). Maybe a good follow up to this video :P
omega? i think u mean ultra brother
I knew jorge had cheated but i had no idea it was that much holy shit
bro wrote a paragraph zzzz
@@riotbz oh true
I liked the part where boshy said, if given the opportunity he'll likely cheat again.
I definitely think that his skill is highly impressive, which nobody wouldn't say that. However him not only abusing admin power to cheat but most of all; blocking people because they are threatening his times shows a serious flaw in character that I hope he reflects on if he hasn't.
boshy simply was so good that he was given admin and with that new found power was able to things nobody else could do
I am a little flabbergasted this guy is allowed to eventually come back at all and is even welcome at tournaments. As you say yourself, speedrun communities like these are entirely trust-based and after stuff like this you are done for good if you ask me.
The idea of RNG making one feel entitled is incredibly relatable. I've been speedrunning a game recently where I get all kills in a certain level before leaving. Occasionally I will get a situation where I have an amazing time but the kill counter is stuck at 99%. Almost every time this has happened I go searching for what enemy is left and it is always this one enemy who gets stuck in a room on the way to where the final fight is held and I lose what would be a personal best time because of random pathing.
I've always just reset my run and try again (I eventually did get a good time) but I can 100% understand how someone might feel this situation is unfair and use a cheat to just...delete that one enemy.
His redemption arc is just perfect. He was the best, but got caught cheating, which completely nullified his records, his reputation and absolutely kicked him out from world records, but he got back by dominating a competition with his own unrivaled skill. Anime plot worth
I think this has a chance to really pop in the algorithm. People really eat up these little esports docs. I hope it does too, it's a great way to get the word out about jumping