Any company that makes solid state amps owes you gratitude. Truly good videos of solid state amps, and so forth, are hard to find in the way that you make them.. I'm sure you have changed many people's minds about solid state amps
Hi Dave, just wanted to thank you for continuing to do what you do. You really do change lives with your content. I've lived with chronic depression since I was 13. Yesterday I got a call saying that I'm being laid off at work, and I'm losing my health insureance. This is happening while I'm trying to put myself through grad school. I lost it. It felt like my brian literally shut off my ability to feel anything. I rewatched your older videos from Mental Health awareness week where you shared your story, and I honestly believe they're why I woke up this morning. Thank you. PS: I know that was probably a little heavy for the comments on an amp demo, but I posted here on the off chance you'd actually see it.
“I’ve got my spine, I’ve got my Orange Crush…” Sounds amazing as always, Dave. Both sound really good but i think i like the Super Crush a little more. Great vid, Sir!
I got the cr120h last year, in 2020, after watching Dave's videos for several years, and I love it. Easy to use, but surprisingly versatile. It's a keeper. Maybe in the future, I'll get the sc100 too for the double win. Also, it seems like the cr120 production has stopped (or, at least, I don't see it being listed anymore, being replaced with the sc100 instead) which, in a way, makes me love it even more because it's a collectible now. Similarly, I've also gotten my Fender Mustang III v2 just before it got replaced with the first Mustang GT series. Once again, great video Dave!
I just ordered the last super crush 100 off of sweet water today. You helped me pull the trigger on it before it was too late. Had my eye on it for seven months. Love the playing Dave. I’m used to using heavy beefy tube amps (my two Daily drivers are the Hughes and kettner grandmeister, peavey 6505+) but I wanted a good solid state in my corner other then my katana
The cr is the amp that I loved so much I bought it twice. After a stint of jumping through different valve amps I settled down into a blackstar ht20 mMKII and an orange rocker 15 terror. I sold my first cr when the rocker terror came out to fund it and found a good deal on market place trading my micro terror for another cr and remembered how much I loved it. Might have to get my hands on a super crush soon I think. Cheers Dave your channel has reminded me how much love I have for these amps, the age old battle between valve and SS really mean nothing.
Cheers from NY everyone! Dave I agree with your entire commentary on the two amps so no need for me to chime in .Thanks for another cool vid and have a good weekend one and all! :-)
I had already pre-ordered the SC100 before watching your video. I had the CR120 for a few years and it was an awesome amp. The CR was a little tricky for me to get just the tone I wanted on the dirty channel. A little too much gain and it would seem to “wash out” into a fizzy roar with no definition, mostly with humbuckers….not so much with single coils. I’m hoping the new SC will be a little easier to dial in with it’s clarity advantage. I loved my old CR and I’m sure I’ll love the new SC just as much, if not more. Thanks Dave for another awesome video! Keep them coming.
Both sound awesome, I can’t choose between them. I want to own both of them. P.S I became a patron today 👍👍 I think everyone who watches and appreciates what you do should consider becoming a patron because your awesome 👌👍
I compared both of these amp heads over the last two weeks and can recommend both. Though I decided to stick to my CR120 H. Oh the irony is that I always wished the CR would have a bit more brightness and be more in the foreground. The Super Crush is that indeed and it is a great amp! But when I had both amps side by side I learned (again) what it means to be "at home" at a specific amp, at a specific tone. I am so used to my CR120's dark sound. To me personally it has more of that Orange growl to it, a character of its own if you will, a bit more obstinate maybe, while new SC100 seems to be more oriented towards Marshall flavour. Just my 2 cents.
Marshal flavour!? 🤔. It’s voiced to sound like the Rockerverb. (Same as the Crush Pro) Essentially tone hasn’t change, other than it’s closer to the “Valve Rockerverb”. The Cush Pro lacked clarity within it’s gain stages, because op amps are muddier sounding and don’t interact like valves do. JFET’s do interact much like valve do, just in a solid state format. So with the Super Crush you just have a update/improved version. Still has the Crush Pro tone, just much clearer and valve like because of the JFET’s. Then you have the “Orange Pedal Baby” power amp built inside for the power section. Which should be much better if your into using the fox return as a slave to another preamp, or a digital amp modeller. It also has improved headroom for using it as a pedal platform. So I’d say “better all round!”
@@ballsofdoom3124 Also have both. CR120 is definitely a tad louder. CR 120 comes in around 84 watts into 16 ohms and 120 into 8 ohms. Super crush is about 70 watts into 16 ohms.
That's funny. Exact same experience here. Own 2 CR120 heads, a CR60 combo, and now added a super crush 100 head. Exact same findings. Super crush isn't quite as loud, is definitely voiced to have a more robust upper mid sound. I found myself liking both the CR and SC, but still feel at home with the CR 120. Keeping both, but the super crush is the backup.
Thank you so much Dave for the great cmparison. Thanks to you I own the CR120 which I really love. However one day I will add the Super Crash. Or the say it with Robert Crays words: you are such a strong persuader - because of you I own a CR120 now ;-)
I definitely feel you on the clean channel thing. The clean channel sounded a lot less sterile on the Super Crush. Surprisingly I think the clean channel on the MG actually beats both of them out. It's actually a pretty nice usable clean channel imo. All great amps and a great video sir!
Thanks for the cool comparison, Dave! Don't forget to try the Bi-amp thing you mentioned in a previous video. Perhaps use the Super Crush for the High end shimmer and the CR120 for the low end bloom and girth. THAT would, no doubt, be an expansive sound!
Dear Dave! Thanks for all your love on the Crush series of amps. I was a Rocker 15 owner and after selling it , I just bought the Super Crush and love it. My question to you is: what speakers and size cab would you recommend for this amp? I have heard to get the best out of Orange amps they like V30 speakers and big cabs. I definitely need to upgrade my cab and speaker and would love to hear your input. Thanks and keep them vids coming! You are a godsend.🤟🏻
Coming back to this video after awhile. I couldn’t get what you said about wishing the amp had 2 dirty channels out of my head. So I sat down with my cr60 and played with the knobs for a bit and was able to find a really nice clean tone by using high volume and low gain on the dirty channel. I still think the clean channel still serves a purpose, but it’s more for warm jazzy clean tones. To get a more rock/blues clean tone with some chime to it, you gotta use the dirty channel. I’m still discovering all this amp can do after owning it for nearly 4 years.
Dave you are the sole reason I bought my CR120C many years ago - no regrets, it's only got better with age as the speakers got worn in :) (by the way I think I prefer the CR120, to my ears just a tad warmer and juicier - plus I love the plate reverb on it (and 3 verb options) - no idea why they scrapped that on the supercrush
I really like your sincere and true charisma and enthusiasm - and your personality adds value to our planet. You are the type of person that just makes everything fun and more people like you are desperately needed. But that comment is really unfair to you - because it is obvious to everyone that there are really none like you - no not one.
Both amps are incredible, The Supercrush is more defined in the clairity, I noticed the notes rang clearer on the Supercrush. It does seem more valve like than the cr120 which I still like as well. So that being said Id think it would be more pedal friendly being more clear. Im gonna get the Supercrush combo asap. Dave once again you have confirmed to me Orange holds the British Crown for great amps and my love for Orange continues..could buy a Marshall Origin, Could Buy a Fender Bassbreaker but I feel this(these) Crush amps cover that territory and more...Oh yeah no tubes to replace or bias save money Yeppers.. Crush me man Crush me!!!!!
Thanks Dave… ive bought three orange amps based on your reviews. I do like both but the super crush sounds way better in terms of presence and definition. Super playing yet again 😎
I just bought the CR120H last night, plugged it into a PPC112 cab. Decision was made based on your tone videos. As tube amp snob, I am pretty impressed. I thought about ordering the Super Crush but the CR120 is fantastic. No regrets. Great Video Dave!
@@TinkerToneworks The PPC112 is 16ohms. The AB power section will only output 70 Watts at 16ohms. The PPC112 is 60 Watts RMS, not peak. It will likely be fine, even dimed.
For me, the Super Crush is what I've been looking for in a 100w as head. Sounds great through my cheap Kustom 4X12 cab. Got the Orange 4X12 cab on the way. I play primarily metal. From Iron Maiden to Motley Crue to Metallica to Canibal Corpse and beyond. I also like to play some blues and funk. I'm a tad bit eclectic.
Dave, I’ve been looking forward to your shoot out / bake off between them mate 👍😎 I’ve been doing it for the last few weeks between my CR 120 and the Super crush 100 Through my Orange 4x12 cab and Harley Benton 2x Vintage Celestion 30s.upright cabinet. I agree with you Both are fantastic heads and the main reason I bought the Super Crush 100 head after seeing yours and Mr Orange (The man that designed it)Videos was because of its design and the DI connectivity Which I must add I’ve not tried yet . I was going to but I got a new PRS Mira Guitar from GAK and have been absolutely floored by how brilliant this guitar is.👍
I really like the new one, but to me cr120 is superior. It sounds amazing in every style and genre, from palm muted chug to clean. If you need more presence, you can always combine it with some other amp, like a vox.
Hi Dave yeah they both sound great as. You say the 100 seems to sound a bit clearer to me anyway is there no way to fatten the sound of the clean channel..? Fender always seem to have the monopoly on that .? Maybe different speakers or cabs ? I don’t know ...lol nice one Dave keep up the good work thanks ..!
Hi Dave! I thought the supercrush sounded slightly clearer & if I had to choose one it would be the supercrush for that reason but I think both of them are awesome amps.
Preferred the CR120 on both clean and dirty sounds. For me, the cr120 reminds me more of the tonal characteristics of the Orange tube amps I owned in the '70s. I own a cr60 and a PPC112 ext. cab an it's my go to set up. Been playing 58 years. Went back to S.S. in 2013 and never looked back. Also use an 80watt Roland Cube for jazz gigs. CR60 for everything else!
Hi Dave, I really enjoy your videos. I like the clarity of the SC100. I found a good deal on a demo model. I was just watching your video series about getting different tones out of the CR120. Can I use the settings you suggested in those videos as a good starting point for tones on the Super Crush 100 ? I also picked up an MXR EQ Pedal to play around with. Thanks Much.
I think I'm partial to the SC for the cleans. I like the reverb better on that as well. Distorted sounds are great on both, but here I'm partial to the CR. I think the SC has a bit of fizz at the top, but it is really, really slim stuff. I obviously don't know, if there are major differences to the way it responds (tubes vs. transistor), but merely going from your video: I'd have a hard time justifying the difference in price, if I were in the market for an Orange here and now. Also, you are quite good at playing guitar.
I prefer the clean sound of the super crush 100 but playing dirty I’d prefer the cr120 because like you said the cr is darker. I think splitting guitar signal into both amps for stereo would sound amazing (please make a vid of it) Regardless I’m getting the super crush, just so I can follow your tone like when I bought the cr120. Great vid looking forward to more jam music.
Great vid, Dave :-) CR 120 still is my go to after years of owning that beast. SC is great for all the reasons You already mentioned in the video, but. CR 120 for me has a little bit more of that growl than SC. It might have something to do with what You said about the EQ, with CR 120 if you are not using all on zero EQ it creates a thicker more full and growly sound especially when playing chords with distortion, so which is better comes down to what You wanna play. Both are great amps but for heavy distortion and darkness CR120 is still better in my opinion, for those who want to play styles with light distortion and/or half-broken sound, more clarity and especially fingerpicking I would suggest SC as a better choice. Yes I have been lucky and have a go with both of them just with a switch. Have a great day everyone :-)
You could get a Swiss Things (EQD) - or an equivalent - and use both heads, which would then run out into whatever cabinet(s) you have. You could then pick which head you want to hear or choose both and hear them at the same time! :) Oh - and your effects could run through that too!
A mid control on the clean channel on both amps would be heaven. I use the clean channel a lot. The Super Crush clean channel is better than the CR120 but I like the dirty channel on the CR120 better. The Orange CR and RT amps were a total game changer for me when I got them. Replacing my Vox AC50 and 61 Fender Bassman rigs. I play P90 equipped Gibsons and Modded Rickenbacker 330,610 and 360's. Playing surf, glam rock T.Rexy type stuff.
I LOVE the top end and cleans on the Super Crush....but.....I prefer the selectable reverb switch on the CR120. If I could find a black CR120H I would pic that up and be BEYOND happy with it. If the Super came with the same reverb switch, I wouldn't hesitate to grab it.
They are sooooo close. The Super Crush is a bit clearer sounding. I like that touch of presence. Both amps sound great, but I'd go Super Crush by a hair.
There was definitely more reverb on the SC. What would the CR120 sound like if you compensated by increasing the reverb? I think this is a problem with comparisons that you can have similar settings on amps and guitars that sound different but you can also tweak one to sound like the other?
I own both now, with the intent of returning one once I decide which one I like. Even after comparing for several hours dif settings over and over.....I still can't decide. They both sound amazing and do their own thing. I actually like the clean channel more on the CR120 though it's more chimey.
Funnily enough Dave, and by the law of sods, I prefer the clean tone of the second amplifier and the distorted tone of the first one. The clean tone the second amp sounded crisper and more clear, whilst the distorted sound of the first amp had more 'balls' somehow. Anyway if Orange could produce an amplifier with a mixture of both, I think that they would be on to a sure fire winner. Luckily for you, you have both so don't have to worry too much! 😂 Cheers. 😊😎🎸
Should I buy an orange amp? should I buy an orange amp? should I buy an orange amp? What a trigger👍 Very nice playing guitar bro🙏 ...big 👍 and subscribe, awesome
I think alot of people got into Orange because of the Crush series. Me myself I have a 35RT and absolutely love it. I play psych rock and blues, and am not necessary going for that stoner heavy tone, so the Super Crush 100 is exactly what I wanted as an upgrade from a 35RT. The Crush is just such a good amp at the price point that all sorts of people are using them, so I think it's really awesome they went in a more versatile brighter direction for the Super Crush 100 because that is what someone like me wants! I probably would've gone with the Fender Tone Master had the Super Crush 100 not been released. I love Orange!
I also have a 35rt and love it. I am thinking of also picking up the Super Crush for recording soon. How much of an upgrade is it compared to the 35rt?
The clean on the super crush was far better sounding to me and the dirty channels were similar, but the SC sounded a little better and brighter. I personally don’t like the Orange “fuzz” tone of the dirty channel, but I actually think this video sounded great. Maybe because you didn’t have the gain dimed so that it was doing that compressed stoner fuzz that I’m not a fan of. So kudos on a great video dude and congrats on making an amp that I would normally never consider, sound great. As always you rock and your playing is awesome as always.
Clean on the super crush👍 But a little transistor sounding on distortion were as the cr was outstanding on distortion but like you say,the DNA is very apparent 👍
Thank you for this video totally agree that the queen channel on the SC needs a gain ch. I just got that sc100 combo... And I'm really bummed out with it's so far but I've only had it for a day... I've heard some people online saying they take some time to break in...? I remember on the crush 120 Tambo you could keep the master kind of low on the clean channel and turn the volume way up and you could get that light od sound. ..
First impressions: I will give credit where credit is due and say that the clean sound is superior in the Super. It really does seem like they have significantly improved the reverb, which justifies removing the switchable options. I’m a dirty player 99% of the time and I can’t conceivable justify swapping my CR60c for the new dirt channel. I heard a clear difference between the dirt channels here and the old CR120 was immediately better sounding to me
@@TwinCitiesOxygen it holds up. It's my main amp. It's loud enough that I use it as a bass amp for most medium sized club gigs. I got a 115 ampeg bass cabinet and I take the amp out of the combo and use it as a head. Very loud. Even with the combo speaker.
Clean channel on CR is dull. SC is better but is too clean. CR dirty is darker. Ultimately, I'm sure they could be dialed closer, especially considering you leave the tone controls basically off haha
Hi Dave! I think it should ve interessant to know at How many Db you played because i think my neighbours will hate as much as i love those amps if i buy them 😂
I'm a tube amp guy all day. But at a guitar center a couple of years ago I played through the original CR100 and really liked it. But, I didn't know if I really liked it, or it just sounded good through all the background noise.
I have not played through an Orange amp since my student days which was a very very very long time ago but can still remember the feeling of shock and awe that the 100 watt valve head produced in me. Sadly whilst I could afford one in later life I never had the need for one, as work dominated my time. I still don't need one but every time I see one advertised I get ridiculous urges to buy ! Videos like this don't help Dave :-).
Dave, may I suggest watching Pearl Jam in a box by Let's play All. I would love to see what you would do with the 1991 pedal if you ever got your hands on one. 😃👍
Both = 💥🔥 so...6 months later, how are your feelings about them? I have a 120 on the way - looking to run both through a stereo cab 🤘😎 ( great reviews - nice playing! ✌❤🎸)
Still love my CR120, but I definitely WANT a Super Crush. I’m curious to see how the discreet transistors compare to the tl072 opamps in the old Crush.
Hey Dave, I know you posted this a while back, but now you’ve had the newer Supercrush 100 for a while which would you Say you preferred, reason being, I’m after a Solid state Orange head myself, and the Crush pro 120 are going for a reasonable £220-£250 quid on eBay and reverb,I mean, that’s a really good price. To begin with a wanted the supercrush 100 but the £150 saving is temting lol Thanks Dave
I didn’t realise you already had a comparison video up, I’ve played the Cr120 a bunch of times and always wanted one, never played the Super but every person I’ve seen that owns one absolutely loves it, think I’m going to go with the CR120 I think it aesthetically edges the newer one aswell 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼 Thanks for your reply Dave, Much love 💙
I'm gonna have to go with the CR120. The CR120 is a bit looser where as the SR100 has a tighter sound. Both sound great and its a matter of preference.
holy shit the dirty tone on the CR120. that is just a killer sound, man. the super crush sounds great too but the CR120 has more bite without being too trebly
The Supercrush is the winner for me, I prefer the clean channel on that. I'm currently tossing up between the supercrush or the Katana Artist MKII. Option paralysis is real!. lol.
Hmmm. Pretty hard. I always kinda disliked my dark Cr120 for the dark, "muddy" tone. But now I love it. Maybe because I got better playing at playing guitar ^^. Maybe I'll get the other one in a few years, too. But before that my Thomann 1x12 cab will have to be replaced by an orange cab. For the original Orange sound. It is as you say: Clean -> Super Crush Dirty -> Cr120H
I like the super Crush 100 better I just ordered mine I can't wait to get it there both great Amps but I like the SC100 better and it weighs less then the Cr120 the SC100 weighs like 47 pounds I am 61 and I own a Mesa Boogie Mark 2 B and I just can't lift it anymore and that's with out the EV speaker. I think I'm going to be Happy with my new OCS100 I ordered it in black but the more I watch these videos the Orange 🍊 is starting to grow on me I use a Boss ME-80 I wish they would do a new video with The Orange Crush Super 100 and a Boss ME-80 pedalboard.
Save money and go with the cr120. You will eventially be dialing the super crunch back to get the tone you really want anyway after your done playing around with it
Dude! Just decided to go with single coils and the buzz is out of control! How do you get the gain without the buzz? Loving my new Nick Johnston Shecter but the buzz is driving me crazy.. Any input would be much appreciated!
You don't lol. It's part of the sound. Unless you wanna get noiseless single coils, but those sound like shit. The only fixes for you are either setting the pickup selector between two of the coils (ie between the bridge and middle on a strat), or simply turning your volume off when you're not playing.
Any company that makes solid state amps owes you gratitude. Truly good videos of solid state amps, and so forth, are hard to find in the way that you make them.. I'm sure you have changed many people's minds about solid state amps
Thank you. :)
Hi Dave, just wanted to thank you for continuing to do what you do. You really do change lives with your content. I've lived with chronic depression since I was 13. Yesterday I got a call saying that I'm being laid off at work, and I'm losing my health insureance. This is happening while I'm trying to put myself through grad school. I lost it. It felt like my brian literally shut off my ability to feel anything. I rewatched your older videos from Mental Health awareness week where you shared your story, and I honestly believe they're why I woke up this morning. Thank you.
PS: I know that was probably a little heavy for the comments on an amp demo, but I posted here on the off chance you'd actually see it.
“I’ve got my spine, I’ve got my Orange Crush…” Sounds amazing as always, Dave. Both sound really good but i think i like the Super Crush a little more. Great vid, Sir!
They are both amazing, had the CR120 for a year, just pre-ordered the SC100. Thanks Dave!
I got the cr120h last year, in 2020, after watching Dave's videos for several years, and I love it. Easy to use, but surprisingly versatile. It's a keeper.
Maybe in the future, I'll get the sc100 too for the double win.
Also, it seems like the cr120 production has stopped (or, at least, I don't see it being listed anymore, being replaced with the sc100 instead) which, in a way, makes me love it even more because it's a collectible now. Similarly, I've also gotten my Fender Mustang III v2 just before it got replaced with the first Mustang GT series.
Once again, great video Dave!
I just ordered the last super crush 100 off of sweet water today. You helped me pull the trigger on it before it was too late. Had my eye on it for seven months. Love the playing Dave. I’m used to using heavy beefy tube amps (my two
Daily drivers are the Hughes and kettner grandmeister, peavey 6505+) but I wanted a good solid state in my corner other then my katana
Yes! Been waiting for this video. Hope all is well Dave!
Orange you glad you made this great video?😁 I've been waiting for this one!
I like your idea to take both to a gig and choose depending on the room, as the acoustics really effect the sound. Rock on Dave!
The cr is the amp that I loved so much I bought it twice. After a stint of jumping through different valve amps I settled down into a blackstar ht20 mMKII and an orange rocker 15 terror. I sold my first cr when the rocker terror came out to fund it and found a good deal on market place trading my micro terror for another cr and remembered how much I loved it. Might have to get my hands on a super crush soon I think. Cheers Dave your channel has reminded me how much love I have for these amps, the age old battle between valve and SS really mean nothing.
Dave you and orange amps make the perfect music recipe!🙂🎸
Cheers from NY everyone! Dave I agree with your entire commentary on the two amps so
no need for me to chime in .Thanks for another cool vid and have a good weekend one and
all! :-)
@Bob Blake Will do sir.
I had already pre-ordered the SC100 before watching your video. I had the CR120 for a few years and it was an awesome amp. The CR was a little tricky for me to get just the tone I wanted on the dirty channel. A little too much gain and it would seem to “wash out” into a fizzy roar with no definition, mostly with humbuckers….not so much with single coils. I’m hoping the new SC will be a little easier to dial in with it’s clarity advantage. I loved my old CR and I’m sure I’ll love the new SC just as much, if not more. Thanks Dave for another awesome video! Keep them coming.
Another excellent videoy friend!! Both amps sounded fantastic but for me its CR 120 all the way. Thank you so much for this video Dave! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Both sound awesome, I can’t choose between them. I want to own both of them. P.S I became a patron today 👍👍 I think everyone who watches and appreciates what you do should consider becoming a patron because your awesome 👌👍
Thank you very much indeed. I really appreciate it and it really helps. :)
same mate
I compared both of these amp heads over the last two weeks and can recommend both. Though I decided to stick to my CR120 H. Oh the irony is that I always wished the CR would have a bit more brightness and be more in the foreground. The Super Crush is that indeed and it is a great amp! But when I had both amps side by side I learned (again) what it means to be "at home" at a specific amp, at a specific tone. I am so used to my CR120's dark sound. To me personally it has more of that Orange growl to it, a character of its own if you will, a bit more obstinate maybe, while new SC100 seems to be more oriented towards Marshall flavour. Just my 2 cents.
Which one was louder (in terms of balls and punch) on the dirty?
@@ballsofdoom3124 I have both as well and to me the CR 120 seems to be louder and pushing more air to my ears
Marshal flavour!? 🤔. It’s voiced to sound like the Rockerverb. (Same as the Crush Pro) Essentially tone hasn’t change, other than it’s closer to the “Valve Rockerverb”.
The Cush Pro lacked clarity within it’s gain stages, because op amps are muddier sounding and don’t interact like valves do. JFET’s do interact much like valve do, just in a solid state format.
So with the Super Crush you just have a update/improved version. Still has the Crush Pro tone, just much clearer and valve like because of the JFET’s.
Then you have the “Orange Pedal Baby” power amp built inside for the power section. Which should be much better if your into using the fox return as a slave to another preamp, or a digital amp modeller. It also has improved headroom for using it as a pedal platform. So I’d say “better all round!”
@@ballsofdoom3124 Also have both. CR120 is definitely a tad louder. CR 120 comes in around 84 watts into 16 ohms and 120 into 8 ohms. Super crush is about 70 watts into 16 ohms.
That's funny. Exact same experience here. Own 2 CR120 heads, a CR60 combo, and now added a super crush 100 head. Exact same findings. Super crush isn't quite as loud, is definitely voiced to have a more robust upper mid sound. I found myself liking both the CR and SC, but still feel at home with the CR 120. Keeping both, but the super crush is the backup.
Dave, YOU are the reason I own my CR120 2x12 combo. Dare I say...the Super100 sounded a hair bit juicier. . .
Both are amazing.
Dave, do your famous comparison between the Boss Katana Artist Mk II and Supercrush 100!
Thank you so much Dave for the great cmparison. Thanks to you I own the CR120 which I really love. However one day I will add the Super Crash. Or the say it with Robert Crays words: you are such a strong persuader - because of you I own a CR120 now ;-)
I got a new cr 120 three month ago... and it s a win!
Thanks for the Video David!
Frank :-)
Thank you. :)
I definitely feel you on the clean channel thing. The clean channel sounded a lot less sterile on the Super Crush. Surprisingly I think the clean channel on the MG actually beats both of them out. It's actually a pretty nice usable clean channel imo. All great amps and a great video sir!
Dave, I really appreciate you're down to earth style. No need for gear snobbery. You talk a bit, and let the tones do the rest of the talking.
Being a "mostly" humbucker player....I'm really loving that 120. Taking absolutely nothing away from the super. Thanx Dave fabulous demo🤘👏
Thanks for the cool comparison, Dave! Don't forget to try the Bi-amp thing you mentioned in a previous video. Perhaps use the Super Crush for the High end shimmer and the CR120 for the low end bloom and girth. THAT would, no doubt, be an expansive sound!
Dear Dave! Thanks for all your love on the Crush series of amps. I was a Rocker 15 owner and after selling it , I just bought the Super Crush and love it. My question to you is: what speakers and size cab would you recommend for this amp? I have heard to get the best out of Orange amps they like V30 speakers and big cabs. I definitely need to upgrade my cab and speaker and would love to hear your input. Thanks and keep them vids coming! You are a godsend.🤟🏻
Coming back to this video after awhile. I couldn’t get what you said about wishing the amp had 2 dirty channels out of my head. So I sat down with my cr60 and played with the knobs for a bit and was able to find a really nice clean tone by using high volume and low gain on the dirty channel. I still think the clean channel still serves a purpose, but it’s more for warm jazzy clean tones. To get a more rock/blues clean tone with some chime to it, you gotta use the dirty channel. I’m still discovering all this amp can do after owning it for nearly 4 years.
Dave you are the sole reason I bought my CR120C many years ago - no regrets, it's only got better with age as the speakers got worn in :)
(by the way I think I prefer the CR120, to my ears just a tad warmer and juicier - plus I love the plate reverb on it (and 3 verb options) - no idea why they scrapped that on the supercrush
I really like your sincere and true charisma and enthusiasm - and your personality adds value to our planet. You are the type of person that just makes everything fun and more people like you are desperately needed. But that comment is really unfair to you - because it is obvious to everyone that there are really none like you - no not one.
Thank you. :)
Both amps are incredible, The Supercrush is more defined in the clairity, I noticed the notes rang clearer on the Supercrush. It does seem more valve like than the cr120 which I still like as well. So that being said Id think it would be more pedal friendly being more clear. Im gonna get the Supercrush combo asap. Dave once again you have confirmed to me Orange holds the British Crown for great amps and my love for Orange continues..could buy a Marshall Origin, Could Buy a Fender Bassbreaker but I feel this(these) Crush amps cover that territory and more...Oh yeah no tubes to replace or bias save money Yeppers.. Crush me man Crush me!!!!!
Thanks Dave… ive bought three orange amps based on your reviews. I do like both but the super crush sounds way better in terms of presence and definition. Super playing yet again 😎
I just bought the CR120H last night, plugged it into a PPC112 cab. Decision was made based on your tone videos. As tube amp snob, I am pretty impressed. I thought about ordering the Super Crush but the CR120 is fantastic. No regrets. Great Video Dave!
The PPC112 can only handle 60w, please don't blow your speaker
@@TinkerToneworks The PPC112 is 16ohms. The AB power section will only output 70 Watts at 16ohms. The PPC112 is 60 Watts RMS, not peak. It will likely be fine, even dimed.
For me, the Super Crush is what I've been looking for in a 100w as head. Sounds great through my cheap Kustom 4X12 cab. Got the Orange 4X12 cab on the way. I play primarily metal. From Iron Maiden to Motley Crue to Metallica to Canibal Corpse and beyond. I also like to play some blues and funk. I'm a tad bit eclectic.
The playing was top notch here Dave.The old CR sounds better to me if I'm honest.
Dave,
I’ve been looking forward to your shoot out / bake off between them mate 👍😎
I’ve been doing it for the last few weeks between my CR 120 and the Super crush 100
Through my Orange 4x12 cab and Harley Benton 2x Vintage Celestion 30s.upright cabinet.
I agree with you Both are fantastic heads and the main reason I bought the Super Crush 100 head after seeing yours and Mr Orange (The man that designed it)Videos was because of its design and the DI connectivity Which I must add I’ve not tried yet .
I was going to but I got a new PRS Mira Guitar from GAK and have been absolutely floored by how brilliant this guitar is.👍
Hi, how do the cabs compare for you with these amps? Interested to hear about the harley benton
I really like the new one, but to me cr120 is superior. It sounds amazing in every style and genre, from palm muted chug to clean. If you need more presence, you can always combine it with some other amp, like a vox.
Both sound great!!
Thank you for being awesome
Hi Dave yeah they both sound great as. You say the 100 seems to sound a bit clearer to me anyway is there no way to fatten the sound of the clean channel..? Fender always seem to have the monopoly on that .? Maybe different speakers or cabs ? I don’t know ...lol nice one Dave keep up the good work thanks ..!
Hi Dave! I thought the supercrush sounded slightly clearer & if I had to choose one it would be the supercrush for that reason but I think both of them are awesome amps.
Preferred the CR120 on both clean and dirty sounds. For me, the cr120 reminds me more of the tonal characteristics of the Orange tube amps I owned in the '70s.
I own a cr60 and a PPC112 ext. cab an it's my go to set up. Been playing 58 years. Went back to S.S. in 2013 and never looked back. Also use an 80watt Roland Cube for jazz gigs. CR60 for everything else!
Clean Channel on the Super Crush.
Dirty Channel on the 120.
Orange should combine the best of these two amps.
I've never known anyone who sets their eq like you . Absolutely no criticism just an observation. Nice playing
Hi Dave, I really enjoy your videos. I like the clarity of the SC100. I found a good deal on a demo model. I was just watching your video series about getting different tones out of the CR120. Can I use the settings you suggested in those videos as a good starting point for tones on the Super Crush 100 ? I also picked up an MXR EQ Pedal to play around with. Thanks Much.
I just want to have as much fun as this guy. Having said that, great demo, and I’m mightily impressed by the Super Crush 100.
I just got a Crush Pro 120 ( the one on the bottom) can’t wait to give it a blast 🤙🎸
I think the new one I can hear the reverb is a bit more pronounced 🤷♂️ to my ears anyway 🤙🎸
Totally agree, win win!!!🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I think I'm partial to the SC for the cleans. I like the reverb better on that as well.
Distorted sounds are great on both, but here I'm partial to the CR. I think the SC has a bit of fizz at the top, but it is really, really slim stuff.
I obviously don't know, if there are major differences to the way it responds (tubes vs. transistor), but merely going from your video: I'd have a hard time justifying the difference in price, if I were in the market for an Orange here and now.
Also, you are quite good at playing guitar.
I prefer the clean sound of the super crush 100 but playing dirty I’d prefer the cr120 because like you said the cr is darker. I think splitting guitar signal into both amps for stereo would sound amazing (please make a vid of it) Regardless I’m getting the super crush, just so I can follow your tone like when I bought the cr120. Great vid looking forward to more jam music.
Great vid, Dave :-) CR 120 still is my go to after years of owning that beast. SC is great for all the reasons You already mentioned in the video, but. CR 120 for me has a little bit more of that growl than SC. It might have something to do with what You said about the EQ, with CR 120 if you are not using all on zero EQ it creates a thicker more full and growly sound especially when playing chords with distortion, so which is better comes down to what You wanna play. Both are great amps but for heavy distortion and darkness CR120 is still better in my opinion, for those who want to play styles with light distortion and/or half-broken sound, more clarity and especially fingerpicking I would suggest SC as a better choice. Yes I have been lucky and have a go with both of them just with a switch. Have a great day everyone :-)
You could get a Swiss Things (EQD) - or an equivalent - and use both heads, which would then run out into whatever cabinet(s) you have. You could then pick which head you want to hear or choose both and hear them at the same time! :) Oh - and your effects could run through that too!
Yeah I'm getting one of these, if I don't like it I'm blaming you Dave.😆
A mid control on the clean channel on both amps would be heaven. I use the clean channel a lot. The Super Crush clean channel is better than the CR120 but I like the dirty channel on the CR120 better. The Orange CR and RT amps were a total game changer for me when I got them. Replacing my Vox AC50 and 61 Fender Bassman rigs. I play P90 equipped Gibsons and Modded Rickenbacker 330,610 and 360's. Playing surf, glam rock T.Rexy type stuff.
I LOVE the top end and cleans on the Super Crush....but.....I prefer the selectable reverb switch on the CR120. If I could find a black CR120H I would pic that up and be BEYOND happy with it. If the Super came with the same reverb switch, I wouldn't hesitate to grab it.
They are sooooo close. The Super Crush is a bit clearer sounding. I like that touch of presence. Both amps sound great, but I'd go Super Crush by a hair.
Dave, I love to bits the way you love everything to bits mate lol 🎸👍🏼🙏🏼✌🏼
Will they be releasing a super crush 60 etc?
No idea.
been really enjoying watching your videos lately Dave, keep up the good work mate your inspirational 🙏🏼✌🏼
There was definitely more reverb on the SC. What would the CR120 sound like if you compensated by increasing the reverb? I think this is a problem with comparisons that you can have similar settings on amps and guitars that sound different but you can also tweak one to sound like the other?
If TH-cam used tubes, what kinda tubes would TH-cam use?
I own both now, with the intent of returning one once I decide which one I like. Even after comparing for several hours dif settings over and over.....I still can't decide. They both sound amazing and do their own thing. I actually like the clean channel more on the CR120 though it's more chimey.
So I went with the Super Crush....few months down the road I started missing the CR120. Sold the SC, bought the CR120 again. :P
Funnily enough Dave, and by the law of sods, I prefer the clean tone of the second amplifier and the distorted tone of the first one.
The clean tone the second amp sounded crisper and more clear, whilst the distorted sound of the first amp had more 'balls' somehow.
Anyway if Orange could produce an amplifier with a mixture of both, I think that they would be on to a sure fire winner. Luckily for you, you have both so don't have to worry too much! 😂
Cheers. 😊😎🎸
Super crush for clean but a whisker, too darn similar on dirt. great riffage as per, Dave.👍
Great vid Dave! I might have a pedal of interest if you want to use it in one of your vids? It’s a Guyatone vintage tremolo flip VT-X
Should I buy an orange amp? should I buy an orange amp? should I buy an orange amp? What a trigger👍 Very nice playing guitar bro🙏 ...big 👍 and subscribe, awesome
I think alot of people got into Orange because of the Crush series. Me myself I have a 35RT and absolutely love it. I play psych rock and blues, and am not necessary going for that stoner heavy tone, so the Super Crush 100 is exactly what I wanted as an upgrade from a 35RT. The Crush is just such a good amp at the price point that all sorts of people are using them, so I think it's really awesome they went in a more versatile brighter direction for the Super Crush 100 because that is what someone like me wants! I probably would've gone with the Fender Tone Master had the Super Crush 100 not been released. I love Orange!
I also have a 35rt and love it. I am thinking of also picking up the Super Crush for recording soon. How much of an upgrade is it compared to the 35rt?
The clean on the super crush was far better sounding to me and the dirty channels were similar, but the SC sounded a little better and brighter. I personally don’t like the Orange “fuzz” tone of the dirty channel, but I actually think this video sounded great. Maybe because you didn’t have the gain dimed so that it was doing that compressed stoner fuzz that I’m not a fan of.
So kudos on a great video dude and congrats on making an amp that I would normally never consider, sound great. As always you rock and your playing is awesome as always.
All round I’d pick the super crush. The sound for me was the sound I want. And since in my opinion they are very expensive so I’d pick that
Clean on the super crush👍
But a little transistor sounding on distortion were as the cr was outstanding on distortion but like you say,the DNA is very apparent 👍
Thank you for this video totally agree that the queen channel on the SC needs a gain ch. I just got that sc100 combo... And I'm really bummed out with it's so far but I've only had it for a day... I've heard some people online saying they take some time to break in...? I remember on the crush 120 Tambo you could keep the master kind of low on the clean channel and turn the volume way up and you could get that light od sound. ..
Lol * totally agree regarding the clean channel needing a gain knob
Stupid phone ( crush 120 combo IMHO had better range with clean channel)
First impressions: I will give credit where credit is due and say that the clean sound is superior in the Super. It really does seem like they have significantly improved the reverb, which justifies removing the switchable options. I’m a dirty player 99% of the time and I can’t conceivable justify swapping my CR60c for the new dirt channel. I heard a clear difference between the dirt channels here and the old CR120 was immediately better sounding to me
What switchable options have they removed?
@@Danthehorse unless I’m mistaken it just has set spring reverb, not switchable between plate hall and spring like the previous model
How does the 60 hold up to these two? I need something for gigging, not really playing metal.
@@TwinCitiesOxygen it holds up. It's my main amp. It's loud enough that I use it as a bass amp for most medium sized club gigs. I got a 115 ampeg bass cabinet and I take the amp out of the combo and use it as a head. Very loud. Even with the combo speaker.
What I like most about the Super Crush is the used prices on the CR120 went way down. You can score a CR120 for a steal these days.
Thanks for being awesome
Clean channel on CR is dull. SC is better but is too clean. CR dirty is darker. Ultimately, I'm sure they could be dialed closer, especially considering you leave the tone controls basically off haha
Hi Dave!
I think it should ve interessant to know at How many Db you played because i think my neighbours will hate as much as i love those amps if i buy them 😂
I’ll take either one Brother Dave😂
I'm a tube amp guy all day. But at a guitar center a couple of years ago I played through the original CR100 and really liked it. But, I didn't know if I really liked it, or it just sounded good through all the background noise.
I have not played through an Orange amp since my student days which was a very very very long time ago but can still remember the feeling of shock and awe that the 100 watt valve head produced in me. Sadly whilst I could afford one in later life I never had the need for one, as work dominated my time. I still don't need one but every time I see one advertised I get ridiculous urges to buy ! Videos like this don't help Dave :-).
Hi John!
Hi Frankie . Hope all is good.
@@johnnorth9355 Yeah it's all good John. Looking 4ward to the weekend.
the super crush sounds perfect to me. can’t wait till i can get one.
Thanks Dave! What is the amp in the middle? A CR120 in black?
Dave, may I suggest watching Pearl Jam in a box by Let's play All. I would love to see what you would do with the 1991 pedal if you ever got your hands on one. 😃👍
If you have a cr120 is it worth getting the super crush?
Or not enough to matter?
Thanks another great video thanks
Not enough to matter really. There both awesome. :)
Both = 💥🔥 so...6 months later, how are your feelings about them?
I have a 120 on the way - looking to run both through a stereo cab 🤘😎
( great reviews - nice playing! ✌❤🎸)
I still love both but still use the cr more. :)
Still love my CR120, but I definitely WANT a Super Crush. I’m curious to see how the discreet transistors compare to the tl072 opamps in the old Crush.
I agree the clean channels should rock a bit, like a Deluxe or Princeton Reverb.
I closed my eyes and listened but I definitely preferred the brightness of the 🍊 Super Crush it’s definitely right up my street.
The Super Crush seems to have a little more presence, and tighter bass, at least through my studio speakers.
i prefer the look and layout of the SC100. would be great in stereo with my OR15.
Orange to Oranges lol run them together for the ultimate 🍊🍊🔊
Hey Dave, I know you posted this a while back, but now you’ve had the newer Supercrush 100 for a while which would you
Say you preferred, reason being, I’m after a Solid state Orange head myself, and the Crush pro 120 are going for a reasonable £220-£250 quid on eBay and reverb,I mean, that’s a really good price. To begin with a wanted the supercrush 100 but the £150 saving is temting lol
Thanks Dave
Personally I'm still prefering the CR120. I love the super but the cr just edges it for me. But the super has better reverb.
I didn’t realise you already had a comparison video up, I’ve played the Cr120 a bunch of times and always wanted one, never played the Super but every person I’ve seen that owns one absolutely loves it, think I’m going to go with the CR120 I think it aesthetically edges the newer one aswell 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Thanks for your reply Dave, Much love 💙
I'm gonna have to go with the CR120. The CR120 is a bit looser where as the SR100 has a tighter sound. Both sound great and its a matter of preference.
At 5.35 your phone went 'ding' and the first thing I did was check my phone for notification coz I thought it was mine lol
holy shit the dirty tone on the CR120. that is just a killer sound, man. the super crush sounds great too but the CR120 has more bite without being too trebly
Dude - was still getting over your reverb amp solo :'( annnnnnnnnnn :]
I dig the Super Crush 100. For the gain channel, and the reverb.
The Supercrush is the winner for me, I prefer the clean channel on that. I'm currently tossing up between the supercrush or the Katana Artist MKII. Option paralysis is real!. lol.
Hmmm. Pretty hard. I always kinda disliked my dark Cr120 for the dark, "muddy" tone. But now I love it. Maybe because I got better playing at playing guitar ^^. Maybe I'll get the other one in a few years, too. But before that my Thomann 1x12 cab will have to be replaced by an orange cab. For the original Orange sound.
It is as you say:
Clean -> Super Crush
Dirty -> Cr120H
I like the super Crush 100 better I just ordered mine I can't wait to get it there both great Amps but I like the SC100 better and it weighs less then the Cr120 the SC100 weighs like 47 pounds I am 61 and I own a Mesa Boogie Mark 2 B and I just can't lift it anymore and that's with out the EV speaker. I think I'm going to be Happy with my new OCS100 I ordered it in black but the more I watch these videos the Orange 🍊 is starting to grow on me I use a Boss ME-80 I wish they would do a new video with The Orange Crush Super 100 and a Boss ME-80 pedalboard.
What made you decide to use the Marshall cab over the Orange ? Also because of your video and a few others on the Barefaced speaker cabs
I am leaning in that direction. Fuller non directional sound. But I see you don't use them.
I just prefer the marshall cab over the others.
Save money and go with the cr120. You will eventially be dialing the super crunch back to get the tone you really want anyway after your done playing around with it
Thought the verb on the old one sounded more modulated, quite nice.
stick an orange kong in the front of the old one with the chime setting up you get it where the new one is :)
Dude! Just decided to go with single coils and the buzz is out of control! How do you get the gain without the buzz?
Loving my new Nick Johnston Shecter but the buzz is driving me crazy.. Any input would be much appreciated!
You don't lol. It's part of the sound. Unless you wanna get noiseless single coils, but those sound like shit. The only fixes for you are either setting the pickup selector between two of the coils (ie between the bridge and middle on a strat), or simply turning your volume off when you're not playing.
I don't really do anything. Sorry.
Is there a way to run the preamp of one of the amps into the front of the other amp? Get like a series thing going on?
There isn't no.