Klättermusen Freke 2.0 Review | Klattermusen Expedition Bib Pants
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- Klättermusen Freke 2.0 Review | Klattermusen Expedition Bib Pants
Klättermusen describe the Freke 2.0 salopette pants as the sturdiest and most extreme bib overall there is. They also write that Klattermusen Freke 2.0 is perhaps the best salopette pants in the world.
With the price of 950 USD (800 Euro) you expect these shell pants to be just that. But, before you buy them see this Klättermusen review! We have now used the Freke outdoor pants for many years, both the first edition called only Freke and now the last years we also used the Freke 2.0 and they are absolutely NOT “made to last” which are Klättermusen’s slogan for all their clothes.
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Hahaha awesome!! "maybe they look good if you're walking in the city in stockholm"! You definitely hit the nail there! Awesome review.
Thanks!
It's lots of outdoor equipment that's made for people who wants to be good looking in the city. Out in the bush there is no people and then good looking is not important. 😀
/Matti
Great review Matti - really appreciate you "telling it like it is" - refreshing even if it's negative overall. I think the durability of many brands' gear has gone downhill over recent years, presumably in search of increased sales/profit - budgets spent on aesthetics rather than functionality perhaps? Obviously, few of us put their gear through what you do so I guess this is why they get away with it yet still charge top price.
I hope next review will be little bit more positive. 😀 /Matti
Awesome review and I agree with your conclusion to stay away from klättermusen! My latest experience with klättermusen is a pair of mithril 3.0 pant and the zipper broke within a couple of months. My first pair of mithril pants lasted several years. It's really sad they don't deliver the same quality anymore because I used to love the brand.
That's really bad if the zipper break down. Maybe we should have a silent minute for Klättermusen... 😞
/Matti
Hello Matti,
nice Video, as allways!
I see you often wear the Gere Pants and I would like to see a review from these Pants from you!
Greets, Christian
I really like the pants, they also have 3!! years warranty :)
Nice review Matti. Know that you use the gear more than me, but as a long time KM user (since 1992) my experience is that the brand more and more has turned their eyes on the outdoor fashion target group.
That's sooooo sad because Klättermusen WAS (imperfekt) really good... /Matti
Yes, another brand going maybe down the drain and on the long run maybe turning towards silly urban outdoor and fashion. But we can still hope this is only a one time failure and they remember who they are.
Thanks Matti. KM seem like a good company with a long history. Hopefully their customer service will help you out here as obviously for the money you have paid you would expect much more than this. Goes to show you don't always get what you pay for...
I'm okay to pay higher price IF you get good equipment. With this case it's just toooooo much money for this crap!
/Matti
Well spoken!
I live in Stockholm and have bought Klättermusen since 2003. I have also noticed the difference with significantly poorer quality. Living in Södermalm (the opposite of Jokkmokk) - so that ”fashion over function/quality” that Klättermusen have adopted does not hit me so hard. ;)
An rich Argentine bought the brand for some years ago and Nitty-Gritty (expensive fashionstore for hip people here on Södermalm) was or still are the agency for Klättermusen - things have definitely change for the brand!
The brand constantly comes out with new models and updates, which after some time are sold on sale and then discontinued.
Hope you will find a new quality brand that works outside Stockholm!
Myself - I continue to buy the stuff but with the knowledge that it was better before! Loyal to the end. :)
Man förväntar sig hög kvalitet till ett sådant pris.... riktigt bra review! Hoppas klättermusen tittar!
Hej Johan.
Jag ska skicka denna till Klättermusen tänkte jag. Det är så synd på ett märke som en gång i tiden gjorde så sjukt bra grejer!!!
😞
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA de gör du rätt i! Tyvärr blir de väl så när märken blir förstora...
Från början var målet att skapa bra kläder och skapa inspirerande jobb åt sig själv. De nya ägarnas mål, eftersom att de är investerare, så vill de ha vinst och avkastning på investerat kapital. Då blir syftet med hela saken någonting helt annat än att skapa bra kläder...
😉
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA riktigt tråkigt! De förstör ju allting......
This is the first review of Klättermusen Freke 2.0 & will likely attract a lot of people to your channel. Hopefully, the manufacturer will see this review & seriously consider upgrading the quality into a 3.0 version. There are numerous reviews on the 1.0 version. At present 2.6K subscribers, it will be interesting to watch that number go up as people all over the world read this in-depth & informative review.
A "Dry ***" is something we can all relate to. "***" is one word that is known, recognized, & understood in all languages.
I see where several others have answered your question & suggested other brands of pants for you to consider.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
Yes...isn't it amazing!!! 2600 subscribers!?!? ...and it's still growing. Thanks Bill for your always supporting comments!
😀
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Looking forward to the 3000 and beyond! Still too many out there who still do not know they should be following this channel :-D
Tack för omdömet Matti! Väldigt tråkigt, Klättermusen har alltid varit dyra, men de har gjort kläder med bra kvalite förut, riktigt tråkigt att Freke inte håller bättre än de gör, 2 månaders användning för så dyra byxor är för dåligt!
Ja...det är grymt dåligt... Blir dyrt i längden om man ska byta så dyra byxor efter 8 veckor... /Matti
I am also looking for some Bibs, (even though i am not using them as heavy as you do) but i have an eye on the KLIM - TOGWOTEE BIB , they have also kneepads and are made for snowmobile driving
And one more comment: This effect of outdoor products/brands one could blindly trust in the past going steeply downhill can be seen with many companies. Especially when it comes to clothing at some point the fashion aspect takes over. This often happens when more and more managers from the broader clothing industry are hired or when a different type of shareholder takes over. Coming from non-functional fashion, these people simply have the wrong attitude.
I experienced this well over a decade ago with the German brand Jack Wolfskin that started as a quality outdoor brand to be reckoned. I remember my favourite and most versatile jacket I bought 2 times over maybe 8 years and using it nearly daily. Both times with outstanding quality and it would last for many years heavy duty. Then suddenly, when I bought the third one it started to peel and break after not even a year. This happened to many of their products. Sad.
I think this happened to Globetrotter as well? There was an super outdoor store with mostly good stuff. Today focus is to sell and make money...
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Today Globetrotter is owned by Fenix Outdoor, i.e. same owner as for Naturkompaniet, Fjällräven, Primus etc.
what's the best alternative ? TIA
Great
Klättermusen är inte vad dom har varit en gång i tiden, tyvärr. :( Bra video, och kul att någon säger något om deras kläder.
Klättermusen var en gång top of the line... Jag önskar gamla Klättermusen tillbaks.
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Jag med :) Otroligt bra videos och kanal du har. Det är otroligt roligt att titta :) Fridens liljor
☺
You know what I think of your channel, but I must phrase it again: There are so many wannabe-review channels out there with people who either in the worst case base their reviews on feature lists or in the best case use some gear a couple of times. But this is so useless as only repetitive heavy duty use in the field (not for review purposes) REALLY tells you something about the product. Hence this channel is a very rare gem with real live experience with the stuff and gear!
So people: Do not read magazines, do not read what the brands tell you, do not trust all those utterly useless tests and reviews out there - NO! Talk to those guys who actually use all the stuff ... or at least listen to them. All else is futile.
Want to buy a car? Listen to taxi drivers and pro mechanics for advice. Want to buy outdoor gear? Listen to guides and guide companies. Simple as that.
Thanks!
😀
...but maybe no outdoor company want to sell equipment to us anymore... 🤣
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA That could be very likely ... ;-)
Im thinking the Brynje Expedition pants might be worth a try? Same as KM that they dont use goretex, so not as cold a feel and noisy when its really cold. But with warmer weather will you keep a dry ass? They have a watercolumn of 20 000. I havent tried the pants, but are considering them. If not, as some have suggested Tierra and plussminusnoll are alternatives.
I must check. I have never heard about Brunje. Thanks.
Today I use a very thin and not crazy expensive Bergans... and until today...they are more or less okay...
/Matti
I posted a comment not sure you removed it or what happened. But I found norröna arctis pants work Great for 3 years. Not used as Much as you but maybe 4 weeks a year. But I really like their warranty of 5 years even if its wear and tear .
Hi and thanks!
No...we didn't remove your comment. Sometimes I have the same problem if I have a not good conection with my mobil phone.
I will check Norröna. 5 years warranty is really good! I also know that Norröna make good stuff.
😀
/Matti
Hello
I suppose you have contacted them and what was the response? I have just ordered a pair of Brage 2.0 and those are not super cheap either and when i buy outdoor clothing i want it to laste several years. Especially since you pay around 600 euros and more and seeing this video makes me hesitate to keep them. Would be nice to hear their explenation and of course how they act responding to us customers. Good quality on service?
Matti! Thank's for the video. What would you say is the very best three season (spring, summer, autumn) pants someone can buy for Scandinavian climate?
I don't really know... I love my Klättermusen Gere. I will soon make a review of them BUT they are very heavy and I don't know if they have changed the formula also for this pants... I will look little bit closer to this in the future... /Matt
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Would be a cool vid! Like a top 3 of best outdoor pants for the three seasons in Scandinavia.
@Suyash Jolly Hi, yeah! Familiar brands to me. Especially Rab and Mammut. I have relied on those and they did the job to satisfaction. But what about the new kids on the block? Brands like Revolution Race or Beyond Nordic? Any experience with those?
Thanks for this video, Matti. Personally I dislike wearing waterproof over trousers. Very uncomfortable to wear and I hate the "swish, swish" sound as you are walking. In the summer I prefer to get wet and carry a lightweight change to put on when I pitch up. Wintertime is a different story however. Do you have any experience or advice to give regarding Paramo pants? They read good in the magazines but most things do don't they. How do they perform in the real world I'm wondering.
I have never heard about parmo pants...
During summer I use non-waterprofs for hiking. During winter I'm very much in the snow and close to fire etc. Then I figured out that this is better with waterproof as long as you not är working super hard. But it's always a compromise...
/Matti
Not that many pants that can handle this much beating, sadly. for a cheaper option, i would buy Klattermusen Brage on sale. but i think your best bet would be the plusminusnoll 3l bib pant. i would avvoid brands as Arc'teryx and norrøna as their pants are heavily relying on Shell (Skall) and gore tex. one fall on the sled and you would have 3 tears and holes, so thats pointless.
Klättermusen - gör om, gör rätt! Bra att du säger som det är. Testa Geoff Andersen Urus om du vill ha ett alternativ, har funkat kalas för mig. Var på vippen att beställa Klättermusen, men nu tror jag att jag avstår.
Kanon!
Jag ska kolla upp det märket.
Klättermusen är verkligen en besvikelse idag 2021. Jag hoppas att de ändrar på sig för det är långt ifrån enbart vi som är missnöjda...
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA G A modell Urus är kanske inte rakt av samma typ av byxa, men en sjujäkla bra byxa till mycket. Den har ett tunt lager isolering, så det är ingen ren skalbyxa, bara så du vet. Är inne på mitt 3:e par byxor nu efter ca 12 års HÅRD användning.
Har den knäskyddsfack och toalucka? /Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Nej, nej...inte i närheten. Det är bara en behaglig byxa som funkat bra för mig. Lätt fodrade. Men otroligt användbara och hållbara.
Har du provat skoterbyxor ifrån Tobe? Grym kvalitet i mitt tycke..
Har inte testat. Ska kolla upp dem också... Tack för tipset! /Matti
Thanks for the review Matti. Was it only this piece that had the problem? Or have you seen these issues consistently? Wondering if this was a defective piece?
Hello!
That's a very good point but... it's to many problems with the same pair of pants. Different types of problems.
1. The courdura material break down EASY after only 2 month. Both on my knees AND on the lower part of the legs.
2. The cutan (function material) delaminate in serberal places at the pants.
3. The tape is too hard and gives real holes in the pants.
...and on top of that the city-design with thigt legs etc.
...and the fact that the company have changed owner AND today change models/colours and aiming for a totally different target group. They want to earn money and then they need the money from the city people who have the money. They just need the image from the outdoor people today... 😉
I hope I'm wrong...
/Matti
@@JOKKMOKKGUIDERNA Oh, that's unfortunate. I don't live in Sweden so I'm not so aware of the company's situation.
Do you have any alternatives in mind for bibs?
Bester Mann!
Hahahaaaa... Thanks! /Matti
Can you make an update video with the pants you have used this season?
Already did a video about the pants we're using now. Second season now, and they are still good and in good condition. You find it here:
th-cam.com/video/R55tbxgJuy8/w-d-xo.html
Have you found an alternative to klättermusen?
If so which one is it?
Yepp!!! I love my Taiga pants!!! Check the video we made about them. They are still not ‘destroyed’ by me. Amazing how strong they are!!
th-cam.com/video/R55tbxgJuy8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ux_uVkmLKE7fa3Ts
/Matti
Har du varit i kontakt med Klättermus en ang detta? Och vad var deras svar isf?
Jag har fått två par nya byxor igenom åren på reklamation då tyget separerat. Ska skriva dem igen. Blev så besviken på en ryggsäck jag reklamerade och de ville inte alls laga den. Jag skulle få välja en ny modell istället. En som jag inte alls var intresserad av... Där någon stanns gav jag upp Klättermusen.
/Matti
I thought my Sasta wool pants(275€) were expensive. 900€ for pants 🤯🤯
Yes... I know... it's crazy!
/Matti
Kolla på vilka byxor Taiga har. De lagar kläder som går sönder
Taiga har kanongrejer men de hängselbyxor de gör är tokvarma och isolerade. Har haft dem men jag behöver en bra skalhängselbyxa och tyvärr så har Taiga inga sådanna...
/Matti
Tierra roc blanc pant
...but I really want the possibility to have knee pads.
/Matti
Trist med kläder som inte är gjorda för att användas 😱
Ja jättetrist att de blev dåliga när de gjorde en 2.0. Jag har kvar ett par Freke 1.0 och hoppas de håller ett tag till för jag gillar inte att köpa nytt. /Stina
Klättermusen är inte samma märke längre. Har nog köpt mina sista plagg. Miljöpåverkan deras kläder gör kommer öka med slitochsläng.
Arcteryx ALPHA SV BIB
I will check!!!
Thanks.
/Matti
Dry Ass = Happy Face. Nice Video Matti. What Pant would you recommend now?
Nathan
Plusminusnoll 3L bib pant
I know that brand and they have a really good philosophy behind the company! I have used their pants many years ago and I got wet ass. ...but that was their first batch of pants and maybe it's time to give them a chance again. /Matti
Ida älskar sina plusminusnoll byxor.
Tyvärr har Plusminusnoll en helt annan skärning på sina byxor. På mig som är lång gör det stor skillnad. Jag har ett par som jag ska sälja.
De har ingen kil i grenen vilket gör att de går bra att stå i men tex för telemark eller när jag gör ett "utfallsteg" och står med ett knä i snön så stramar de jättemycket. Grenen sitter förblångt ner.
De är sydda som ett par jeans i grenen. Sen är benlängden inte gjord för långa normal/smalbyggda tyvärr (jag är 198 cm, 93 kg. XL är 6-7 cm för korta i benen. )
Men tanken är god och med bättre design skulle de vara grymma!
Jag trodde starkt på dem tills jag provade dem ordentligt.