rabbit gaslighting me (full conversation)

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  • going over my conversations with Rabbit for those who want to hear.
    Releasing everything to counter Jesse Lyu’s public statement: “i guess if anyone chose to trust one side of a story from a single source, that's ok, but i alongside my entire team answered all questions via email from coffezilla which none of the fact answers get featured. i do have a entire email chain on my inbox”

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  • @robsengahay5614
    @robsengahay5614 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +950

    When a scammer dodges your questions you shouldn’t get frustrated. It means you have asked the right questions.

    • @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
      @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Exactly. They're never going to admit to wrongdoing.

    • @Firikka
      @Firikka 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      And in that case always remember to ask it a few times. Just to make it clear to all that they are filibustering.

    • @abaofifsz
      @abaofifsz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Not necessarily, I think non answers can lead to many different outcomes. Red herrings and not sure if you are getting to the right issues.

    • @cwj2733
      @cwj2733 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@abaofifszit’s always a bad sign if they dodge questions.

    • @dgv646
      @dgv646 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh really? 😮 Is that what it means? Omg you're so smart!

  • @gangsterism
    @gangsterism 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1836

    cannot believe some small cute animal would attempt to gaslight investigative journalist coffeezilla

    • @terig5584
      @terig5584 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

      Rabbits really shouldn't consume coffee, so this actually checks out.

    • @psycele2859
      @psycele2859 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      that's too funny

    • @EatinPaste
      @EatinPaste 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Clearly this pos rabbit is the one related to the pos rabbit from the Holy Grail.

    • @LordTails
      @LordTails 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@EatinPaste even tries to go for the jugular too. Definitely related.

    • @Pocket_Sized_Satan
      @Pocket_Sized_Satan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Rabbits are vicious dont you know 😂

  • @hhere2stay
    @hhere2stay 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3299

    The void consumed his clothing

    • @jamesdingus7828
      @jamesdingus7828 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

      Next time he should use green clothes to be one with the void

    • @marcclarence2260
      @marcclarence2260 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      He’s turned into a talking head from futurama

    • @Shenorai
      @Shenorai 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      The Void has simply embraced him.

    • @mehfes2
      @mehfes2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Floating-Headzilla must be fed.

    • @sutats
      @sutats 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Holly (Red Dwarf)

  • @chancewestonjordan
    @chancewestonjordan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2327

    "you're nitpicking and biased, i win, bye bye" - rabbit

    • @glitchedoom
      @glitchedoom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

      Bold move of them to use the "I have drawn you as the soyjack" tactic.

    • @Youtube-Censorship-Police
      @Youtube-Censorship-Police 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      "byebye" jesse says, while running away, holding his ears shut and sticking out his tongue

    • @michellegodwin6567
      @michellegodwin6567 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Man, this comment really makes me feel like this is a meme from another channel

    • @gairisiuil
      @gairisiuil 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      ​@@michellegodwin6567 slam dunk

    • @HumanVenipede
      @HumanVenipede 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought it too

  • @Preston241
    @Preston241 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +537

    To be fair Coffee your coverage is pretty unbalanced. I have never once seen you support a scammer 😢

    • @4473021
      @4473021 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

    • @MicDropBBQ
      @MicDropBBQ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      LMAOOOOOOOOO!! Epic! Now THIS was funny!

    • @iamnobody8905
      @iamnobody8905 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      True man

    • @eazydays525
      @eazydays525 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Lmfao 🤣

    • @jannikwetzel3906
      @jannikwetzel3906 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      There is Spencer for that

  • @9ine-fd6zc
    @9ine-fd6zc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1141

    Is this the "I used to like coffeezilla but then he investigated me, now I dont like him" video. Let me check out

    • @insensitive919
      @insensitive919 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

      That's every video these days. You'd think at some point they'd just realize he's basically Batman and they aren't getting out of this.

    • @zubetp
      @zubetp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      what's funny about it is none of them ignore him. it's obvious how it's going to turn out, but they still answer his calls and emails.
      i remember when he was asking sbf questions and when he called logan paul's manager about that stupid egg thing. i was laughing because they're rich as hell. it seemed like they could just ignore him. but they wouldn't.

    • @wartygourd
      @wartygourd หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      literally what happened with the boogie guy as well!

  • @DarleneLesmana
    @DarleneLesmana 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1045

    "thank you, the void's floating head", we say in unison

    • @aleks-33
      @aleks-33 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      *chanting* ALL HAIL THE VOID.

    • @VodkaSelekta
      @VodkaSelekta 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I for one will only listen to the floaty head people.

    • @theslynic2530
      @theslynic2530 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      He's the face behind master hand in super smash

    • @Khadharphak
      @Khadharphak 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "I am Holly, the shipboard computer"

    • @ouiVEVO
      @ouiVEVO 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The zilla has spoken

  • @thelanecampbell
    @thelanecampbell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +899

    Lying to zilla is an exercise in futility

    • @Youtube-Censorship-Police
      @Youtube-Censorship-Police 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      yeah, trying to outsmart coffee never ends well lol, it's crazy how these scammers never take note and end up looking like even bigger goofballs instead of being honest for once.
      the usual narcissists..

    • @milire2668
      @milire2668 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Dixon_Cider fartility*

    • @irecordwithaphone1856
      @irecordwithaphone1856 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@milire2668All resistance is fartile we are the borg

    • @TaerMeUp
      @TaerMeUp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They knew it was over as soon as Coffeezilla said he had some questions. They knew!

    • @smappositivedance
      @smappositivedance 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I wish journalists interviewed politicians in the same way Coffee questions his scammers. It would be way more difficult to spew nonsense at citizens.

  • @lokevoice
    @lokevoice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +548

    47 minutes? I’m going down the rabbit hole and coming back hopping mad

    • @djpuplex
      @djpuplex 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yeah it's like a TV show. i have to jump around and I'm 🤏 to rage quiting.

    • @lokevoice
      @lokevoice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@djpuplex
      Yeah this company really dangled a carrot in front of its investors then snatched it away and pulled a bunch of excuses out of a hat

    • @tybo6376
      @tybo6376 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice one

    • @wartygourd
      @wartygourd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      love the pun

    • @tiffanyh1274
      @tiffanyh1274 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🐰😂😂😂

  • @Cfomodz
    @Cfomodz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +176

    Coffee... Gaslighting isn't real...

    • @jackieAZ
      @jackieAZ 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Why are you making up words for your comment

  • @FireFarmer123
    @FireFarmer123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +476

    To unironically say an NFT is inherently valuable is all that I'd need to hear to never touch this company's products.

    • @spaceghostmiid
      @spaceghostmiid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      calling anything inherently valuable is insane. there is literally nothing on this planet that is inherently valuable. things only have value because we decided they were valuable.

    • @TheManinBlack9054
      @TheManinBlack9054 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@spaceghostmiidhuman life is inherently valuable, justice is inherently valuable through human life

    • @benshiotsu8553
      @benshiotsu8553 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@TheManinBlack9054 Not necessarily. We as humans decided we have value. In a vaccum with one of us alone, nothing cares that we die. God however is a different debate if you are religious.

    • @spaceghostmiid
      @spaceghostmiid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@TheManinBlack9054 is it though? i mean, i personally see value in human life, but there is nothing that makes human life inherently more valuable than the life of any other creature. the only reason we see it as valuable is because our own sense of self-preservation tells us to value our lives over the lives of the things around us.

    • @atrustworthyfellow6887
      @atrustworthyfellow6887 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@spaceghostmiid food. water. shelter. companions. running water/plumbing. access to doctors and medicine. access to education. I mean, you're not necessarily wrong, but it's too existential and inaccurate to say water doesn't have value even though i love acknowledging how meaning is mostly derived from human perception

  • @GracesGarden80
    @GracesGarden80 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +186

    If I didn’t know any better, the overly emotional, petulant, arrogant and increasingly combative response sounds like it actually came from Jesse himself.

    • @FFantaSteve
      @FFantaSteve 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      My sentiments exactly 👍

    • @haraldaare4720
      @haraldaare4720 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thought the exact same thing 😂

    • @FLYGTRVIC
      @FLYGTRVIC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Absolutely.

    • @zubetp
      @zubetp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      thank you for emailing. this is....... lessie. lessie glue. i'm not him. i'm a different person. there are a lot of us! because this is a legitimate enterprise.
      and none of us - there are a lot of us, by the way - appreciate that you are looking at our product and not liking it. there are a lot of us and we all worked on it. and thank you for emailing me, lessie glue, a different person.

  • @Meanlucario
    @Meanlucario 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +429

    Scammers: Our critics did not come to us to get our side of the story!
    Critics: *Presents receipts that they tried reaching out to scammers*
    Scammers: *Sweats profusely*

    • @zarasbazaar
      @zarasbazaar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      "No, not like that. You were supposed to believe everything we said without questioning it."

    • @aethertoast4320
      @aethertoast4320 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      "They came to me with a slight hint of a tone that I don't like so that doesn't count as coming to us in good faith".

    • @chinghamburger2200
      @chinghamburger2200 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@aethertoast4320EXACTLY!

  • @Tuggernutz50
    @Tuggernutz50 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    man this email chain reminds me of my conversations between me and upper management when I have a issue with something they need done. The part talking about we're going over things we've previously answered and made clear when in fact they didn't answer anything and have instead created more confusion had my blood boiling lol.

  • @carrottopevans
    @carrottopevans 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +217

    It’s so telling when rabbit doesn’t allow comments on their posts

    • @mryup6100
      @mryup6100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Apple does that too

    • @HCG
      @HCG 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mryup6100 Many multibillion dollar corporations do that for a completely separate reason. Not a good comparison

    • @mryup6100
      @mryup6100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@HCG Don't they just do that to avoid criticism? Whether true or not?

    • @miralabualjadail4206
      @miralabualjadail4206 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mryup6100well they are the biggest frauds, so proving the point.

    • @miralabualjadail4206
      @miralabualjadail4206 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mryup6100yes

  • @Canoby
    @Canoby 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

    Coffee gave them a chance to explain themselves, they went full Reddit troll instead. Never go full Reddit troll.

    • @lostNtx
      @lostNtx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      And if the decision is made to go FRT (full reddit troll) towards Coffeezilla, then prepare to be consumed by the void... you have been warned 😂
      (Edit- spelling)

    • @texmj123
      @texmj123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      The only real rebuttal they gave was that he accidentally referred to their old product as their company name. Basically "minor spelling mistake, I win", so yeah reddit fits haha

    • @sticklebacketienne
      @sticklebacketienne 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@texmj123to be fair, it was more than a spelling mistake and did lose him some credibility

    • @crucifieddemon7136
      @crucifieddemon7136 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@sticklebacketienne not when he is in the video admitting to the mistake though and clarifying on it.

  • @NS-cs3wp
    @NS-cs3wp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

    I look forward to the video where it's just coffee's eyes and mouth in the void, Cheshire Cat-style.

    • @lg6707
      @lg6707 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Blackface????

    • @dwindeyer
      @dwindeyer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@lg6707 No, voidface

    • @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
      @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was thinking of the images of Assassin's Creed: Unity when it first launched and the characters could be clipped through 😂

    • @Charles-dg2gk
      @Charles-dg2gk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He just needs a ski mask

    • @woritsez
      @woritsez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lg6707 lol

  • @deadinbox3255
    @deadinbox3255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    "...you dump so much information in your answers, but so much of it is nonsense or not relevant to the question, and then you can say, 'We provided them everything!'"
    AKA the Gish Gallop. Tale as old as time.

    • @kevin27966
      @kevin27966 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I'm not a professional barominologist, but I feel rabbit's denials and dumping of vague marketing fluff is a different kind of bullshitting from the Gish gallop. Say what you will about creatintelligent designionism, but dammit, that was actually some damn fun sparring! Watching professional bioligists rip apart unspecified complexity "theory" was not only entertaining, but quite educational. In contrast, this exchange is like watching a parent telling a 5 year old that we know they're lying about cleaning their room because they're telling the lie from the middle of their toy-strewn carpet.
      Sadly, I feel like this is related to a deeper cultural shift where propoganda-techniques reign supreme.
      ALL that matters anymore, the whole con game, is just endlessly repeating alternate facts (and "refuting" counter arguments with bald face lies and gas-lighting denials).

    • @hero3717
      @hero3717 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin27966 imma be honest chief, you might need to see a doctor.

    • @kieronparr3403
      @kieronparr3403 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Came to say Gish Gallop. It doesn't work if you have any critical thinking skills

  • @miralabualjadail4206
    @miralabualjadail4206 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I got robbed 30k dollars, by a business consultant once with that same statement that includes “in good faith” so whenever I see that phrase now, I stay clear.

  • @glowing_clod969
    @glowing_clod969 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Imagine going to a restaurant for a burger you order and pay for it only to have it half cooked, dropped on the table and the employee tells you the kitchens open.

    • @eroticmanhole
      @eroticmanhole 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Make your own damn burger 🙄

    • @glowing_clod969
      @glowing_clod969 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eroticmanhole lol it was a comparison to how I see them making the project open source and just leaving it there.

    • @jilliansmaniotto2326
      @jilliansmaniotto2326 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@glowing_clod969I think they were finishing your analogy for you. not disagreeing.

    • @glowing_clod969
      @glowing_clod969 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jilliansmaniotto2326 wasn't sure which way it was meant so I was clarifying

    • @dyamimc
      @dyamimc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@glowing_clod969 He was rping as the employee lol

  • @abaddonarts1129
    @abaddonarts1129 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    Always a super fun time to just see everything laid out. Like, these companies have to realize:
    a) Everything they say or do is online (including the crypto Jesse tried to sell and then kinda abandoned/repurposed the funds into Rabbit)
    b) Coffee is totally valid to just... show the public their responses and how they're being avoidant/vague on a lot of facts
    c) At what point is it just untenable to keep this up. Obviously whoever runs the email department isn't Jesse himself and isn't in charge but it's kinda obvious at this point what's up

    • @frey6955
      @frey6955 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      thank god these email doesnt have NDA, coffee is already being objective as he should. its only because the PR team is lead by gaslit god hahaha

  • @noxicity
    @noxicity 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    “You’re gaslighting me”
    “nuh uh” 💀

    • @brucebaker810
      @brucebaker810 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's a crazy thing to say.

  • @xJAKEx117x
    @xJAKEx117x 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Someone gaslighting you and then gaslighting you about gaslighting you... *chefs kiss*

  • @westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006
    @westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    "Stare into the void long enough and the void becomes your shirt" Venom, probably

    • @brucebaker810
      @brucebaker810 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A t-shirt. Not a dress shirt. As the void is without form.

  • @Subcode
    @Subcode 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    If the R1 is so cheap, and its all just GPT3.5 Turbo (and whatever they use for the image). How will they keep paying for the OpenAI API costs without subscriptions?
    Sounds to me like a pyramid where as soon as people stop buying the R1 they wont be able to pay for the API cost and the devices will just stop working.

    • @TorIverWilhelmsen
      @TorIverWilhelmsen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I wonder how many of the customers think that the AI is in the gadget, and not running on some servers that can be turned off at any time?

  • @BritInvLvr
    @BritInvLvr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    The dumping of unrelated information has been described as ‘chaff and redirect’ by the Behavior Panel. A common tactic used by liars.

    • @Annie1962
      @Annie1962 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope they do a vid on this numpty - expose his lies alongside Coffeezilla's vid

  • @calculatechaos
    @calculatechaos 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +200

    Scammers be scamming

    • @Man-xk9rz
      @Man-xk9rz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And scammers will never stop scamming.

  • @PulpHouseHorror
    @PulpHouseHorror 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    The difference between a LLM and a LAM is a LLM is released with a research paper and a LAM is released with a press release.

    • @AD173
      @AD173 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I agree with your overall point, but I have to hard disagree with every component of it; LLMs are released with "research papers"; They release preprints, either on their own websites or Arxiv, that are rarely, if ever, peer reviewed. The papers about these architectures that do get peer reviewed are generally quite critical. The papers published by the likes of OpenAI should be considered marketing material.
      There are exceptions. Something like Alphafold did get published in Nature, but it's not really an LLM although it has architectural similarities with LLMs and was published by Deepmind.
      The LAM was actually published with a patent. I have read it, and it's kinda broad and probably useless... But, it is a patent.

    • @pacmonster066
      @pacmonster066 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AD173 No. The "LAM" is not published with a patent. I have read through every single one of Rabbit's registered patents. Not a single one mentions the terms "large action model" in a single one. The patent in question is 11908476, "System and method of facilitating human interactions with products and services over a network" (catchy name, I know). In that patent it talks in extremely vague terms about how their agent, hosted via various operating systems, connects to a LLM (ChatGPT) and an external API (I'm assuming Playwrite) to carry out user actions over the web. That's it.

    • @pacmonster066
      @pacmonster066 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AD173 No. The "LAM" is not published with a patent. I have read through every single one of Rabbit's registered patents. Not a single one mentions the terms "large action model" in a single one. The patent in question is 11908476, "System and method of facilitating human interactions with products and services over a network" (catchy name, I know). In that patent it talks in extremely vague terms about how their agent, hosted via various operating systems, connects to a LLM (ChatGPT) and an external API (I'm assuming Playwrite) to carry out user actions over the web. That's it.

    • @pacmonster066
      @pacmonster066 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AD173 No. The "LAM" is not published with a patent. I have read through every single one of Rabbit's registered patents. Not a single one mentions the terms "large action model" in a single one. The patent in question is 11908476, "System and method of facilitating human interactions with products and services over a network" (catchy name, I know). In that patent it talks in extremely vague terms about how their agent, hosted via various operating systems, connects to a LLM (ChatGPT) and an external API (I'm assuming Playwrite) to carry out user actions over the web. That's it.
      I swear...if TH-cam keeps deleting my comments

    • @AD173
      @AD173 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@pacmonster066 I have never read a patent that includes a product or model name; LAM was clearly marketed as being the name of an AI model. I completely agree with you that LAM is not that. However, even if it was, its patent would probably have a name like "a machine learning algorithm for X" or "neural net algorithm for X". LAM would not be in the patent name. Patents are meant to be entirely descriptive.
      Edit: BTW, I see all three of your comments.

  • @SonicBoyster
    @SonicBoyster 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    Have a comment to boost the algorithm, I guess. This is the first time I've ever seen a TH-cam video list "1 second(s) ago." I didn't think it was visible that quick.

    • @Youtube-Censorship-Police
      @Youtube-Censorship-Police 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      i think it counts from the point of being processed and visible, not from the point of coffee having finished his upload.

  • @jarvy251
    @jarvy251 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    "Can you show me where the LAM is?"
    "uh what have YOU done to prove or disprove the LAM exists?"
    lmao amazing

  • @Loriethalion
    @Loriethalion 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Zilla: Yo, I'd like to hear your side of the story.
    Rabbit: YOU ARE JUST ACTING IN BAD FAITH AND YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH REEEEEE

  • @alexandrekononov9384
    @alexandrekononov9384 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Rabbit's nonchalance when it comes to direct and precise questions is absolutely amazing. Coffee, your patience and professionalism are absolutely amazing. Thank you for sharing this exchange with us!

  • @rjsilvers
    @rjsilvers 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    You know you f'ed up when you receive an email that starts "Hi, I'm Coffeezilla..."

  • @eFiggidy
    @eFiggidy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Plot twist- it was jesse replying the whole time

    • @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
      @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Right? 😂

    • @castanea8
      @castanea8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      You really do have to wonder, lol. Why would random PR guy who just works here and wasn’t part of the first project feel personally attacked by pointing out the corporate entity is connected to the previous project and didn’t deliver what was promised? A PR guy should be able to separate himself from bad press about the company, he’s just there to communicate, advise, and be a mouthpiece for the company and occasional punching bag for the public.
      But it makes total sense that the founder would take personal offense and wouldn’t separate the corporate entity from himself because shady alleged scam/fraud or not, it’s still their baby.

  • @Cyprusg21
    @Cyprusg21 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I deal with this crap at work all the time. It's why I've learned to only ask the most important questions first and to be 100% sure nothing I state is incorrect. If you confront a liar with 10 of their lies, they'll ignore the big lies and hammer on the half-truths or trivial lies. If you're wrong about anything, they'll use that against you and sap all your energy talking about your mistake. This person will use your mistake about GAMA and Rabbit being the same company as evidence that you're not acting in good faith and ignore the rest.

  • @rvre
    @rvre 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The most honest and hard working modern online actual journalist that we don’t we deserve but you truly are a blessing.
    Keep up the great work man ❤

  • @WhiffenC
    @WhiffenC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    You gave them every opportunity to address reasonable questions that could dispell them, but they cant answer. You've got your receipts, they have only deflected.
    Respectable journalism as always coffee. Thats all it takes, wish most media had more of your guts rather than just profit seeking.

  • @pibyte
    @pibyte 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +155

    Coffee, don't you see? We were just all wrong. This has been a problem with us many times, you remember?

    • @lokevoice
      @lokevoice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      He’s crazy, he isn’t being gaslit! The whole thing is clearly all in his head

    • @LuisSierra42
      @LuisSierra42 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@lokevoice It's all in our collective heads

    • @bestwesterner
      @bestwesterner 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Did someone say collective head?

    • @jonmayer
      @jonmayer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@bestwesterner that's what I heard. I'm here for the collective head.

    • @lokevoice
      @lokevoice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@jonmayer
      RUN GUYS SOMEBODY ELSE MISHEARD IT AND NOW THEYRE COLLECTING HEADS

  • @TooSweaty4U
    @TooSweaty4U 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    36:06 Coffeezilla channeling Gordon Ramsay: WHERE'S THE LAM SAUCE?

  • @ArchibaldClumpy
    @ArchibaldClumpy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    These companies know full well that they can't outright refute a lot of these criticisms because they're true, so they just play offended that you would even mention them and go for the ad hominem. I'm sure a lot of people who have been in terrible relationships are used to this pattern too.

  • @WatchMeLiftt67
    @WatchMeLiftt67 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I love when receipts get shown

  • @Gabekhp
    @Gabekhp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jeezus these people (Jesse) think they're capable of fooling every human being who every see's who they are. Thanks for sharing. The intimacy of you sharing your frustrations is lovely and I feel comforted in the fact that I'm not alone in dealing with people and entities like this. This is the perfect type of thing for the void. Hope to see more in the future. ❤

  • @OmDesk
    @OmDesk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    when I see a 30+min. video from the goatzilla, my day just got much better

  • @pick2206
    @pick2206 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    i love the length you go to get answers! I apreciate your dedication more than I can express. This hard work must pay off for you, I'l feel bad if it dosent. Its not for nothing.... Never stop! 💪💗

  • @Deltara
    @Deltara 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    love this type of content arguably more than the main channel. thank you!

  • @phpn99
    @phpn99 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Dumpling boy Jessy Lyu has a PhD in "Truth Saying" from Elizabeth Holmes University

    • @TheZackofSpades
      @TheZackofSpades 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Instead of graduating Summa Cum Laude from there, the top grift-boys graduated Sam Bankman Fried

    • @watcherofthewest8597
      @watcherofthewest8597 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Dumpling boy...laughed on that one.

    • @sws212
      @sws212 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      To be fair, Holmes at least was lying about a good idea. Even if the Rabbit had worked, it's still a stupid product nobody needs.

  • @MsKatECoyote
    @MsKatECoyote 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I learned so much about how to deflect and dodge questions honestly masterful work from the rabbit team

  • @Rosewaver
    @Rosewaver 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Copy/pasting sections of your previous emails is top-tier levels of passive-aggressive in corporate culture.

  • @ArielTwain
    @ArielTwain 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Imagine their group chat angry at Coffezilla 😂😂😂

  • @StayLA
    @StayLA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Jesse doesn’t want the “SBF” outcome

  • @christopherjamesboudoir
    @christopherjamesboudoir 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I get frustrated like this when I email HR about a policy to make sure it's OSHA compliant. They send me back a letter that has nothing to do with what I asked, and I call them out, "that's an answer to a question I did not ask. " And then I reiterate my previous question. I'm lucky if I get any response after that.
    "The Void is peace.
    The Void is love." 😂😂😂

  • @jamess7315
    @jamess7315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Coffee huge fan of you showing / explaining your investigative process like this. I hope you continue the behind the scenes investigation. Well done

  • @MusaZaiyyadSado
    @MusaZaiyyadSado 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Rabbit and Coffezilla
    This is gonna be more epic than drake vs Kendrick

  • @diystu14
    @diystu14 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for all the investigative you do.
    Glad i found this other channel too.
    You really dig in deep and deliver on an entertaining level.
    Keep up the hard work!

  • @rockinmel1
    @rockinmel1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The whole "your assertion is a slap in the face to every person working on this product" thing is the mark of someone desperately trying to believe they have the high ground, and they should be ashamed of using such a (verbal) "human shield." Very Nathan Thurm-esque.

  • @boriscreativespace
    @boriscreativespace 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    “enjoy the comic book” lmfao

    • @brucebaker810
      @brucebaker810 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      'Member? That nice gift we just gave you?

  • @TickerSymbolYOU
    @TickerSymbolYOU 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    ☕ Coffee at the ready, let's do this

    • @LowTide941
      @LowTide941 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Me too checkmark I’ve never heard of

    • @XenoChron2
      @XenoChron2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@HighTide_808 Yeah!

    • @westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006
      @westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's a spam bot using your comment lol

  • @Black_Jesus3005
    @Black_Jesus3005 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Coffeezilla is like Elmer Fudd chasing the Bugs Bunny expect he doesn’t fall for his tricks

  • @mailowmailow5207
    @mailowmailow5207 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am amazed at your tenacity to talk to a broken record for such an extended time

  • @Radm0bile
    @Radm0bile 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm never gonna stop embracing the void. Love it.

  • @LadyJoyce0822
    @LadyJoyce0822 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You have a lot a patience, that’s for sure~
    Thanks for sharing ❤

  • @BuleLocky
    @BuleLocky 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love seeing these scammers get torn apart, pls never stop. Love your work mate!!

  • @Steverz32
    @Steverz32 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    VoidZilla/CoffeeZilla never misses a shot he takes at scammers! 🎯😂

  • @priticolours1177
    @priticolours1177 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    getting coinbase ads before your videos feels like a premonition

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because I watch so much coffeezilla, Google thinks I’m interested in crypto so my news feed is all about crypto. They don’t understand that I want to hear stories about crypto bros taking Ls, not about “hot new coins” or whatever.

  • @reedmusic
    @reedmusic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Grab the coffee ☕️

  • @mklptrk
    @mklptrk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You’re like patience on a gd monument dude, going back and forth with these clowns. Keep fighting the good fight!

  • @0xPHN
    @0xPHN 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    get the coffee machine ready fellas

  • @KathyClysm
    @KathyClysm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Coffee spilling the tea 😂

  • @PickpocketJones
    @PickpocketJones 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    When they say 80% of the Rabbit employees were new after GAMA, why not ask what percentage of GAMA team members are still with the Rabbit project. If 20 people built GAMA then they hire 80 more people for Rabbit then yes 80% of the Rabbit team is not the GAMA team but 100% of the GAMA team is still there. It's a dodgy way to say something misleading. Rabbit had significantly more funding which even lines up with this read of that statement in the email.

  • @keithbailie3014
    @keithbailie3014 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not sure what’s worse - the fact I spent 47min watching someone read an email thread or that I loved every minute of it! 😂

  • @benoithudson7235
    @benoithudson7235 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    "In the past three months we've quadrupled the size of our team" -- so you haven't been able to do anything for three months beyond recruiting and onboarding?

  • @Aye_Nyne
    @Aye_Nyne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    We’re watching Coffeezilla go down the Rabbit hole

  • @1LeggedHorse
    @1LeggedHorse 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Fear the VOID

  • @OccasionalGuru
    @OccasionalGuru 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I've been a product and start up professional for a few decades. And this is worrisome. Companies do need room to pivot and change their roadmap when issues come up.
    However, there needs to be a core MVP (minimum viable product) that you're working towards. It has to fulfill a market problem. And if it changes, that's ok to some extent. So long as you provide a rationale on what you learned in market and why it's changing. It's usually pretty straightforward feedback.
    The problem comes in when the core promise is not viable. Like Elizabeth Holmes with Theranos.
    That's basically what happened with the carbon neutral coin, but with Rabbit, it's still unclear and only time will tell.
    What they're looking to do with Rabbit is objectively more viable. What matters now is if they execute. If they can't, he's going to be someone nobody invests in the future. He's cultivating the persona of someone who can't execute and it will follow him.

    • @bannin2916
      @bannin2916 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You do realize you missed the complete point, right? It doesn't do anything promised, not even a little bit. It is an unusable product and there are reviews that show that. It is a scam. Not a product in development that had to pivot or a shift in focus. It is a fully released product that doesn't do what it says on the tin. It is consumer fraud. A scam. "Only time will tell"? What? That the company will be sued and the owner will get jail time (not enough, mind you)?

    • @AD173
      @AD173 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@bannin2916 There is a lot of software that is broken at launch; Think of almost every online multiplayer video game out there. This has also become a deliberate strategy; Make some money by launching the product and use that money to finish it. If the reviews don't shut your shop, you can even use the initial sales numbers to gain some additional momentum.
      You should look up blitzscaling. It's a very common strategy in startup circles.
      It may not be ethical, but it is pursued by many because it has many success stories under its belt. Also, customers tend to forgive you if you manage to right the ship in time.

  • @nikolascrisci4233
    @nikolascrisci4233 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoyed this because it shows your process in how you go about things.

  • @randomxgen6167
    @randomxgen6167 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Unfortunately, the revelation that a scam company would be dishonest about their dealings isn't surprising.

  • @Ph0_Q
    @Ph0_Q 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "We're not gonna collab" you took the words right out my mouth it's as if they wanted to not just convince you but win you over.

  • @andrewjackson244
    @andrewjackson244 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    When someone starts promising the moon in broken english, maybe don't give him millions of dollars?

  • @cohan88
    @cohan88 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The LAM is the email responses you received along the way...

  • @superman1251
    @superman1251 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The patience. Thank you for all u do!

  • @uuu12343
    @uuu12343 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "I'm right, you wrong, you stuuuuuuupid, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla I CANT HEAAAAAAAR YOU" - Rabbit

    • @uuu12343
      @uuu12343 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wow, ngl, I couldnt last halfway through
      Not because of the video, this is amazing stuff, but the PR and the company's responses triggered some PTSD in me and my hate for HR and company responses
      This is the worst of the worst, the scum of scums

  • @nzt29
    @nzt29 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love your amazing investigative work on scams like these. Keep it up!

  • @jonasking3670
    @jonasking3670 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    An ad for “This Week in Startups” showed up on my Twitter Timeline, which was the show that had the Rabbit CEO on to spout his lies. They were pushing their podcast as a way to cut through the smoke and mirrors of Silicon Valley.
    What a joke.

  • @burnme5522
    @burnme5522 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for breaking this down. I really appreciate these videos!

  • @OldManJ3nkins
    @OldManJ3nkins 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I find it interesting that the team never capitalizes the word "Rabbit," as they should because it's a proper noun.

    • @valolafson6035
      @valolafson6035 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They don't have to. Names are weird that way.

    • @devonglide1830
      @devonglide1830 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      They are referring to the device as a “rabbit”, while the proper name is actually Shit. I get why they wouldn’t want to call it by its actual name.

  • @VelcorHF
    @VelcorHF 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s wild, how patiently repetitive and upfront with them you are. If I was an investor, I would not have this level of patience.

  • @harukakonoha7330
    @harukakonoha7330 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It is good that you making videos about this so people know which part where u and their team that didn't agree something than they saying later on that part 2 video now i understand n ur viewer understand 🤣🤣

  • @mwwhited
    @mwwhited 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It blows my mind at some of the stuff that people will “invest” in.

  • @matt4535
    @matt4535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    You’re the goat coffee

  • @260Xander
    @260Xander 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The mind games they try to play, and the fact you don't fall for any of it, tells me all i need to know about your integrity. Great stuff

  • @lukaspiatek7586
    @lukaspiatek7586 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I think they had the R1 reply back to you each time that’s why the responses were so bad

    • @snestah
      @snestah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👏👏👏

    • @IceAce1
      @IceAce1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably a R1 development cluster, that's why they signed with "Rabbit Team".

  • @DetectiveStablerSVU
    @DetectiveStablerSVU 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your rabbits do this to??!; duuuuuuude. I KNEW i wasn't crazy

  • @Yezpahr
    @Yezpahr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    0:07 Ah, I see through your gas light attempt. We all know the void has no sky.

  • @snestah
    @snestah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I am all for this channel becoming Coffeezilla: After Dark

    • @Charles-dg2gk
      @Charles-dg2gk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Extra dark

  • @1Yooter
    @1Yooter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    "It's Voiding time"
    - Coffeezilla transforming into Voidzilla

  • @jesuskock
    @jesuskock 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is one of my favorite channels in general

  • @LordTails
    @LordTails 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I have a Master's and had a focus in data analytics (meaning lots of machine learning, AI, etc. type of scripting using R and Python). Full disclosure, LAM was not really mentioned in my classes if at all due to how fast AI has been evolving recently so i had to look up a lot on how it works compared to LLMs. However, based on everything I understand of Rabbit and how it works, it is technically a "LAM" in that it takes information and converts it to actions BUT it does so in a very limited and poor way, if you even consider it a LAM (based on my best understanding of the LAM proper, the R1 does not hit those metrics considering how effectively it does but let's assume it has a LAM for the sake of argument). The goal of a LAM is to get it so I can point a camera (or sensor) at an object or say something, the model breaks it down, and does particular actions (ie. point a camera at a flower in Home Depot and lets me order it or nutrients it needs, say I want to order a pizza and then orders it as I like it). While the R1 meets those metrics in an extremely limited sense for what few things it actually does, it does not do so well. Doing calls to GPT, depending on Playwright, etc. is a great way to have a system that is not very scalable or resilient. One UI change or a change in the API call that is expected, and suddenly the product does not work. If you wanted to use a browser-based automation, you'd need something that can correctly catch itself with changes, and react accordingly. The technology for that type of browser automation is there but, from my understanding, not with Playwright (I am more partial to Scrapy for open-source browser automation so my knowledge of Playwright is extremely limited but do know it ain't easy in Python considering you want it to be accurate but fast). Heck oftentimes it is better to do calls to site APIs for automation where possible just because of how volatile frontends managed by other companies can be usually backends at least will change much more slowly if at all. This is a problem for any automated tool, even the best ones. The R1 feels more like a rough proof-of-concept, and not something I'd be willing to pay a dime for. If this was a kickstarter, I think the dialogue would be very different, and maybe then I could be convinced to part with several bucks just to see where it goes. Call me crazy but I do not invest in promises of a halfway useful project in the next several years, especially when the company in question has gotten in over their heads on what are ultimately several incomplete projects [stages].
    TLDR: someone who studied machine learning academically says the R1 is TECHNICALLY (the word does some very heavy lifting) a Language Action Model-like device, but a POC at best. I feel like in a short amount of time someone is going to make an open source LAM proof-of-concept that is more feature-rich. If I am proven wrong on it or any of this, I will happily eat my words on it and not gaslight anyone.

    • @AD173
      @AD173 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Did you read their patent? If not, you should; It explicitly states that they are reliant on LLMs. Per their patent, they are not going to use APIs since one sub-claim in their main independent claim is the translation of requests into "user interface (UI) actions".
      Regarding open-source LAM alternative... It already exists; Meta released Toolformer last year, and it uses APIs.

    • @LordTails
      @LordTails 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@AD173 so at the point not an LAM per their design. Like I said, I put for the sake of argument that it is but does so poorly at best. With their patents sounds like an admission it isn't an LAM altogether. Did not know about Toolformer. Thanks for the info.
      EDIT: I will check out the patent and update my post accordingly for future reference when I get the time. Now I am curious.

  • @masharubi
    @masharubi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    they tried to gaslight you about their own gaslighting. the jokes write themselves

  • @oatlord
    @oatlord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I listen to all these stories you tell about these scams, and I just wonder how people fall for them.
    A Chinese guy saying he'll build a green energy grid with a video game? Where do I send my check?

  • @JamesTheCelestial
    @JamesTheCelestial 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the thumbnail is inexplicably funny to me
    POV: voidzilla blocks your strongest attack with one hand and crushes it in his palm