How Did The T-1000 Time Travel? Terminator 2 Judgment Day
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- How was the T-1000 able to time travel when it is not organic? I explore several theories and give my favourite
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The T-1000 was wearing his plot armor.
Most People are not going to get it😂
Ha. Got it.
me too xD
Its actually weird, when it came out that question was not raised. I cant even remember it mentioned by my friends. That said, my friends were all 420 blazing so whatever.
@@z0b0und49 I don't get it. Please explain.
What if the t-1000 is ripped apart in time travel but can still reassemble it's liquid metal body?
Andrew Church depends how far it scatters as we see in t2 after the chase from the mental hospital the piece lost has no "brain" and it doesnt change itself unless the larger mass comes closer to it.
Andrew Church That's what I was thinking too.
It may take some time, to pull itself back together, but ultimately it can survive the process.
After all, wouldn't this be something Skynet, would work on? Either by making a terminator that can survive the process without the synthetic skin, or by improving on the time displacement module itself.
I think the T-1000 don't get ripped apart because because it should be able to counter that effect since it can change shape. However that wouldn't explain how the T-X time traveled, but that's not a James Cameron movie, and might not be fully thought through.
We see his naked body (that part technically makes the least sense because why would he have to be naked?) so there is no pod, and he is not broken apart.
This seems to make the most sense to me. T-1000 does get "ripped apart" but we already know it has the ability to reshape and repair itself. Easy fix.
Or... prior to time travel, the T-1000s are sprayed with an algae coating... which is alive and thin and the T1000series skin just holds it in place like glue.
Total cost: $1.75 and an algae pool.
This is accurate. I would know, I'm an algaeeater
@@AlgaeEater09 thank you for your professional opinion.
How would you lkke to be paid?
@@Ag3nt0fCha0s in algae
Bro just put the T-1000 in a fleshy kinder surprise egg. Then just tell him to wait for a while. Then he can just beyblade his way out. Bam
I like that explanation.
I always assumed the T-1000 had an organic shell during the time travel (as the 800 did and others) and rid itself of it sometime shortly after successfully traveling through time, which was not seen during the movie.
Wow! That makes total sense!
I believe Cameron originally wanted this to be in the movie but decided against it.
Here's a theory: James Cameron cares less about this stuff than do nerds.
That's no theory. It's a scientific fact!
That's just a theory, a film theory
@@hectorjimenez1150 Na, unlike "film theory/game theory" this one actually hold up in the end.
Maybe now, but not back then. You're underestimating his obsessive attention to details. The fact that this plot hole exists at all is an aberration when it comes to his earlier works.
Dr. Silberman doesn't trust your theory.
I dont think the director was thinking that far ahead
I entirely agree with you here. The director just said, time travel morphing terminator. Everybody was just like, hell yeah after! Lol
You're lying
I don't believe for a second that James Cameron didn't think far enough ahead in order to cover this conundrum. I mean it's James Cameron, come on...?
Alien Alien bullshit...I call bullshit. There's absolutely no chance you almost walked out of T2 in the theatres. Don't believe you.
Mr. Fett Esq. that’s just nonsense. It’s like saying he could have predicted how quantum computing would influence space travel and hyper sleep when he did avatar.
I've always just assumed that its liquid metal is just capable of simulating organic flesh, it would explain why the T-X and soon the Rev-9 is capable of time traveling as well.
you should fly the t-1000
I love your videos funny seeing you here 😂
OMG the Rev-9. 👈🏻It looked like it was an employee of the Genius Bar. And the protector was a Olympic athlete reject.
Dark Fate was really awful.
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I say it rode in a meat sack like a temporary bio womb which is destroyed on entering the time line.
Nuh. The time machine was just a more advanced version of the first time machine that allowed inorganic matter to travel through. That would make more sense just saying
@@awesomekaleb15 I have judgement day 3d on blue ray and it says in the extras that the T1000 did travel in a flesh pod, the only reason they didn't include the scene was because it would confuse viewers.
I agree with this one. A super thin skin layer, just for the purpose of time travel that is sloughed off upon arrival isn't far fetched. He's like a humanoid metal sausage lol.
Maybe that's why they were harvesting humans
Kaleb Cosgrove if they had that they'd just send a hundred T-800s and wreck the past
I wonder if this also applies to the T-3000 and T-5000?
Also T-infinity, really? Thanos are you trolling?
Your comment says edited already so you better get ready to edit again, because the video is ABOUT the T-1000, so saying "if this also applies to the T-1000" doesn't make sense, I think you mean (or at least should mean) T-3000,
It's Ya Boi Daniel oh damn my bad thanks for that.
It's all good fam
T-5000 was never shown time travelling.
T-3000 has a outer layer of organic cells which can be used for time travel. The Gaurdian used a layer to destroy the upper organic cells of the T-3000 which caused it's destruction when it got caught in the TDE.
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In the comics, Terminators hide weapons inside the bodies of humans.
Ktothe Swiss
Sounds cool 😅
one of them, a more advanced liquid metal model called the T-XA, hid a plasma rifle inside its own body. it wasn't in a comic though, it was in a T2 book.
I read something about the cocoon a long time ago and if memory serves me apparently the creators wanted to include that but ended up cutting it by the end of production so to me it is the most plausible explanation, although the theory that it can also mimic human cells is also very good as we all know the T-1000 always turns back to his alloy form before changing into someone else suggesting he need to be in his base form before he can reconfigure.
I think it's funny that they obviously made the 'organics only' rule to explain why the terminator didnt bring back plasma weapons... but they created an even bigger plot hole for themselves.
They needed the Terminator to travel in human skin so he could blend in.
That's true, but another plot hole is in why Skynet couldn't encase a plasma weapon in a bag of flesh that the T-800 could just rip apart? Or why wouldn't the Resistance try doing that?
Simple answer: they made an organic sleeve that contained it for the jump and then discarded upon completion.
An old classic. Personally I always assumed it does replicate the human exterior to such degree that it turns out as good as synthetic flesh. But this is one of those things that become more interesting as long as they remain open to imagination. 😉
Always what i thought! Its simple and effective!
That was my impression as well, it also explains the T-X, the T-1000 was always seemingly slowed by impacts more than the T-800 so merging the two designs would be the natural upgrade. It would also explain why both appear in an existing naked form in the past and not have to sample someone straight away.
I agree.. I never even thought of it. He turns human and can replicate the skin and weapons he is forming. As long as he touches a human or sees a human he can turn into them.
Must mean his skin becomes like a human and therefore traveling through the timestream he won't be ripped apart. It's really easy to see.
People don't think the basics.. Just want the most out of this world stupid theory.
I never u understood how he teleported because technically in T-1 they said it was a last ditch effort by skynet to send something back in time and they beat it and won, so how could skynet send a second one?
RyanTitanic different time line. The first terminator and second terminator are almost identical timelines with a few things different in each respected timeline. It’s essentially a paradox so it’s hard to explain. The first movie was the Sarah Conor timeline where as the second terminator is the John Connor timeline. I forget who did a video on this but they explained pretty well. I think it was called the 3 terminator timelines or something to that extent.
To be fair you could argue that t-1 was going off the information Kyle had before he got sent back, we couldn't know for certain that Skynet was defeated
Also the resistance and Skynet keep messing with time
My theory:
the T-1000 was in fact sent back in time, coated in living tissue. The poly-mimetic-alloy could then cut through an thereafter bind the human flesh in place preventing it from bleeding out. Supporting this, we the audience, don't see the T-1000 manifest a dagger of knife until after the truck it was driving during the mall escape blew up, destroying its tissue, allowing it to freely create blades, hooks and whatever tools it needs.
Thats a good theory!
"we the audience, don't see the T-1000 manifest a dagger of knife until after the truck it was driving during the mall escape blew up, destroying its tissue"
Wrong! When the T-1000 gets shot by Arnold in the shopping mall, we see his wounds heal *with* his clothes. That means there wasn't living tissue surrounding him at that point.
@@bibi9672 because he takes it off after killing the cop at the start
@@Jakeman302 How did he kill him?
@@bibi9672 Arm spike
I always figured it was "close enough" to organic matter down to a cellular level. Remember Reese said in was the "energy" field generated by living tissue not the presence of traditionally organic material in a structure.
I had two theories, three if you include "plot armour". One of which was touched on in the video with the mimetic polyalloy mimicing flesh so well that it was able to withstand the destructive effect of the time displacement field.
The second theory is that the mimetic polyalloy is in some way organic. I know that in T2 it's explained to John Conner that it's liquid metal but that could have been a simplistic and dumbed down response to John having no understanding of what mimetic polyalloy really is. So rather than trying to explain it in an exact scientific manner, the Terminator just flatout lied and gave John an answer he could understand. This allows the Terminator to get on with his programmed mission rather than wasting precious time trying to educate a scared adolescent who would have little to no chance of understanding the real science behind the T1000.
Theory three: plot armour, because reasons.
i've been a huge fan of the Terminator for years but i haven't actually thought of this
To be honest I've always had issues with the whole time traveling and organic and non organic thing. I think it was a way for them to explain why they couldnt bring back future weapons, but it just causes a lot of logical issues especially with the T 1000. If I could retcon that I would explain how the TDE basically tears you apart on a molecular level and reconstructs you whenever you time travel back through time. And that having extra stuff complicates the reconstruction and could kill you hence why they travel naked.
This theory brings to mind the telepods from The Fly films (both the 1958 and 1986 versions), or Star Trek transporters to a lesser extent (which have been known to fuse separate entities when malfunctioning).
At first thought, it seems like a great way to explain why weapons can't be brought through the TDE. However, it doesn't explain why weapons couldn't be transported separately from a human or a Terminator.
Also, both humans and Terminators are already extremely complex, so it seems slightly odd that the TDE can reconstruct both perfectly, and has no problem transporting a T-800 with a layer of flesh wrapped around it, yet it can't handle a human wearing clothes.
If it tore you apart on the molecular level wouldn’t the robotic endoskeleton of the terminator be just as bad as any weapon they carried with them as far as reconstruction was concerned? Not trying to be nit picky, it’s just a question that came to mind while thinking about it.
The method of time travel in this series seems kind of akin to warp travel to me. The traveler is surrounded by a powerful field of energy which allows them to slip through the time stream, kind of like the way ships in Star Trek create a warp field around themselves allowing them to “ride” the space distortion for faster than light travel. In this case I guess they could say that non organic materials mess with the field integrity and if it collapses you are shredded at the molecular level by the energies involved. It doesn’t really explain why t1000 gets a pass and makes it through okay, but that’s the problem when technology is made up first and then we try to use science to explain it afterwards.
Have you ever read Timeline by Micheal Chricton? He has a time travel method in that book very similar to the one you describe. If not you would probably find it interesting
@@jonservo you get it. Space time is not just surface level, therefore the entire structure would also need to be organic.
In the expanded version of T2 movie you can see when the T-1000 first comes to the past it leaves on one of the fences a some sort of shaded skin similar to reptiles. That's how he traveled to the past.
Good to know they actually answered the question in a sense.
Which version is this? I checked my extended T2 and couldn't find this
Interesting, the script and novelization said he was sent back wrapped in a ball of flesh. A skin cocoon essentially.
I’ve never noticed this before
I think that was just some plastic stuck to the fence actually.
The best theory is this: Because Cameron said so. Period.
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@@kanegrimley8641 You shut up
@@lukeskywalker6809 in it
I like the theory that the T-1000 mimics biotic material on its surface. Specifically, it mimics the bio-electric characteristics of real human cells enough to satisfy the TDE. I would add the idea that the T-1000 is only able to perform this level of mimicry on one human model, its 'base' model, to which it keeps returning because it can mimic this model more accurately than any of the ones it has scanned. It does not mimic anything internally; it doesn't need to and it would have difficulty with the fluids.
My thoughts after watching interview with Kyle Reese in "The Terminator" was this. A human scientist created the Time Displacement Equipment to go back and prevent judgement day. The safeguard against it being captured and used by Skynet is the fact that 'nothing dead will go'. However said scientist did not anticipate the creation of the cyborg Terminators. So consumed by the task of completing of the time machine and so protective of the secrecy of the work, the scientist refused to aid the human resistance. Only too late does the inventor realise that only through helping John Connor in his struggle could the capture of the TDE been prevented.
As for the T-1000, it was able to sufficiently mimic living tissue to override the safeguard.
Though this story doesn't really hold up in the light of the more recent films.
I think its just more likely that Skynet gave the unit a thin layer of living tissue before sending it through the TDE.
There's another question that's been bugging me . When John asked why the T1000 couldn't turn into a gun. And was told that it had too many complex parts and chemicals. Yet he can mimic humans but DNA would be far more complex.
It’s probably able to form a human shape superficially. Why it’s able to form details I am not sure.
Here's a simpler theory: the unique alloys making up the T-1000 react differently to time displacement, and are a single exception to the rule about what can go back in time.
“Nothing dead will go” maybe the T1000 isn’t technically “dead”
Some old school MR.H. LOVE THESE
So much more to T2 when you take a step back and analyse it. As advanced the T1000 was, it never got close enough to even touch a hair on John's head. Besides the car chase at the mental hospital but still... No contact.
gaz shaw not true....John touched the fragment embedded in the car after the hospital escape to throw it on the road. It could have copied him.
Peter James Ledwith that's very true and I never really thought of it in that sense. In my own personal knowledge I imagine for the T1000 to truly copy something it wud need to be attached to it as a whole. Meaning where the chip is in the T1000. If you remember the deleted scene where he scans John's room, It uses its fingers to scan and I imagine that this is sending information directly to the chip to process and register. John did indeed touch and throw the piece of T1000 but I'm not sure how much information it needs to copy John Connor based on a finger print once it reached. Unless I'm smoking too much weed and over thinking but if that's the case...
How did he copy the night security guard when no physical contact was made bcos the guy was wearing shoes so therefore there is no actual physical contact. It's best to take these movies with a Pinch of Salt.
gaz shaw too true...I wonder where the chip was in the t1000. How can it communicate with a seperate part? Its a movie. A very good one that's just meant to be enjoyed.
I don't think there's something like a chip... it's all floating.
T-1000 just call it organic metal. PS. “Organic Metal” is just my term to describe the fusion/impregnating organic material/DNA with a metal. That has been already done many years ago...... so what will the future be like by the time the T-1000 would exist? Call it “Bio-metal” if that make you happy.🤔😜
Peter Harper ... Organic metal and ingredients (necessary Carbon, Calcium, Zinc, Iron, etc. Packed loose-like) to mimic skin ... As it did looking like a human image! Sustained believability by looking like a human visually and atomically! Remember, liquid and gas are non-densely held atoms (allowed to freely move around) just like liquid metal!
Alien Alien Guess you never hear of impregnated DNA with silver to use in computer circuits.🤔
Alien Alien ... Uhhmmm? Yeah! Human blood cells contain iron? Plant cells are Carbon based (I forget if copper that turns things green via a metal in Chlorophyll?)! Organic materials have metal!
Peter Harper
He’s a giant colony of nanite infused bacteria.
Chem trails anyone?
The flesh pod idea was used in the first RoboCop Terminator comic. That was how Murphy traveled back to the past after he built a Terminator body for himself. In order to travel back he made a massive pile of flesh to encase himself
My personal theory, is that Skynet wanted to find another way of sending thibgs through the TDE, and in experimenting with trying to counter-act the effects of the TDE without needing organics, it developed the memetic poly alloy as a potential method, hoping that it could be transported as a liquid, which would be separated into the individual poly alloy molecules during time displacement and then be programmed to form into a single normal form, but in experimenting with it realized it could in fact be transported whole, and on experimenting realised it could retain its liquidity and change shapes etc so it could be a separate class of terminators. Perhaps creating the liquid metal terminator actually requires using the TDE, ans is so rediculously cost prohibitive to use that system to create these that it explains why they haven't completely replaced all orher terminator models. Even having small numbers of these terminators would seem to be a show stopper for rhe humans, so I always thought the T1000 even being a prototype could have easily put an end to any given encampment of humans, theoretically liquidating itself and covering huge areas of searching and even as smaller pieces kill unaware humans it happened upon. The T1000 is the true winner, the other models pale in comparison.
It probably can just tank the damage? I mean the T1000 can take punishment that would destroy a gun or a T800 easy.
That isn't the issue. The issue is that "nothing dead will go". Not that TDE would damage non-living material too much to survive the journey, but that it simply wouldn't send it. The TDE would finish all its rotations and flashing and then would shut down and the dead stuff would still be there.
Good theory, but it doesn't explain TX time travel though.
Thomas Currell not true. Think about how the T1000 died. Molten lava. The amount of punishment in the time field is significantly more than being trapped in molten lava.
The Special Edition of T-2 explains how T-1000 was able to. It had a tissue skin that it later sloughs off off-screen.
Orange Hat Reviews You’re absolutely right. It was omitted as to not confuse the audience. Since it happens offscreen.
If that is a fact, omitting it in the theatrical Version is an example of the laziest story telling ever. It would have been appreciated by all the geeks and nerds out there, who THINK about such details and care about the lore, and for everyone else it would not have mattered. I think NO ONE would have been confused.
comingviking Yeah, I know what you mean. Unfortunately, the casual movie goer doesn’t like to use their brain all that much. Which, is usually who they try to pander to to make as much money as possible. 😕
Michael Rodriguez and then they come back for a second slurp of the money trough with the ‘Special Extended Directors Masterpiece Cut Edition’ for the thinking people
I’ve always held that theory. Good to have this confirmed. Sky net just give the T10000an organic skin similar to T800 and that skin was shed after time travel.
I was thinking that since this model is liquid metal, it just wouldn't matter if it's ripped apart as it just comes back together. There wasn't anything odd to me as a kid about why ripping apart clay isn't the same thing as ripping apart paper.
How plot holes can get us all thinking and talking so analytically never ceases to amaze me. The "flesh pod" theory is one I've always subscribed to when trying to fill this paticular plot hole.
I watched T-2 Judgement Day recently and this was one of the things I was thinking about a little bit. I thought that because the T-1000 is a poly alloy, maybe it went into a sort of liquid form as it was coming through time and perhaps that's why living tissue can come through, because living tissue has a certain water content, kind of like the Human body is a certain percentage of water. Just my thoughts on it. Really cool topic, I just love when an old film can still spark so much thought, just goes to show how timeless it is.
maybe it had human skin when it first time travels then destroys that when it first changes shape
In the finale of Terminator Genesys, "Pops" punches through John with his magnet fist. This prevented John from reforming his protective skin, which left him vulnerable to the displacement field. That scene indicates memetic terminators can form an organic-like layer to use the time machine.
My theory for this is that they f***** up. Kyle Reese in the first Terminator clearly says that the reason the Terminator can travel like he did is because of the living tissue the T 1000 has none it merely mimics the look of living tissue.
Maybe the time displacement operator is playing a joke on them by saying "oh by the way. You have to go naked." ;)
I think the ability of T1000 polyalloy to scan and replicate molecular structures is the key.
They wrapped it in a flesh covering, case solved
Its in the terminator comic book skynet grew bioshells/fleshsacks so the t1000 etc could time travel
Now this is a very mysterious question and I think the T-1000 was able to time travel because it can copy organic matter on a cellular level I mean we do see him with skin outside his liquid metal don’t we
Basically. It is made of nanobots, it can mimic near anything on the periodic table.
Tristan Backup what about bio matter ?
I like that theory and it got me thinking that maybe the T-1000 can change its atomic structure into different elements more like an animals'.
Kind of like, let's say in metal morphing form it's like a hydrogen / carbotanium alloy or something but then to go through time it could change its atoms to be more like the way the Human body is made like Carbon Hydrogen and maybe a synthetic calcium and so on.
Or maybe it can turn inert kind of like titanium is inert because it can be used inside the Human body without contaminating anything, that's why its used in bad bone accidents and stuff.
"I like that idea, therefore it is canon"
No, the director just did not bother addressing this. THATS how the T-1000 was able to travel back in time.
It's a movie, remember?
same thought with you
I've always wondered why would they not send an engineer Terminator that could build a small army of other Terminators to hunt John Conner down since they know 1 on1 fights do go their way. The Terminator engineer could be made to fit the nuculer batteries for the newly created terminators under the skin. If they can't send materials back then they would know where everything needed to build them was located. Even if it only built 1, considering has close the fight with only 1 was that if their where 2 or more would be unstoppable. Plus until the terminator shows up nobody was hidding or running. This has bothered me as much as the T-1000's liquid metal skin being able to come back through time.
That is a theory I kind of like! As I recall in the Sarah Connor Chronicles, there seemed to be a pre-skynet organization (along with Human 'collaborators') working to bring Skynet into existence called 'Kaliba'. Kind of like the Myron Stark Terminator and how IT created the building it was supposed to assassinate a future Resistance subordinate, when it went too far back in time.
Something quite similar happened in the T2 book trilogy by SM Sterling. Skynet put a package of CPUs and small batteries under the skin and the rest had to be built in the present.
Ah yes...the infamous 'Serena Burns' model. I rather liked that book--ESPECIALLY how (SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!!)
Dieter Von Rossbach was a 'retired' Austrian Counter Terrorist Operative who 'sort of resembled' a certain Skynet Infiltration unit (or a certain Austrian bodybuilder turned actor).
We know that the T800 has a organic skin put over it. By that logic we can assume that the T1000 also had an organic skin over it prior to going through the TDE. We see him in a human form right away after the time travel, and while we do see him take damage during the mall, its possible that the actual skin was melted/burned off when the truck was destroyed in the fire under the bridge...just my thought.
Given that mimetic polyalloy can take on the shape *and properties* of anything it comes in contact with, I'd assume that when he is in human form, there is an imitation of organic matter as well. Not saying he becomes human, but that its structure simulates organic matter when in human form. Maybe it could help defeat scanners at Resistance outposts during the war...
Remember when he transformed into part of a floor. It's not like the security guard walked on metal that looked like the floor. He walked on a floor. So I'm pretty sure mimetic polyallow is able to alter its own atomic structure...somehow.
My theory is Cameron didn't give a shit and he just wanted to get a big payday off of his old success !
That makes sense
What about nothing is done? Being "ripped apart" without organic material is something the T-1000 could easily endure when hes traveling back. The T-800 could not deal with those kinds of forces, hence the skin. He simply goes back in time, is ripped apart (but comes back together as hes liquid metal), and that's it.
that depends on how its being ripped apart , if its on the molecular level it would still destroy it out right
It was said in the move ,that T-1000 can only mimic basic things - shapes and colors. It cannot mimic complex stuff like chemicals f.e. So basicaly it can look like something ,but is not that thing.
Perhaps the movie gave us the answer at the end when the T-1000 was thrown into the molten metal. The T1k constantly inverted itself to minimize exposure/damage. Maybe it started with twice the amount of liquid alloy knowing that a certain amount would be destroyed in the process.
Couldn't the T-1000 simply have started off with a skin then later lost it/got rid of it, I mean in the original Terminator movie, the T-800 loses it's skin from the fire caused by the tanker truck exploding, so couldn't the same could have gone for the T-1000 when the truck it was driving after John Connor with explodes? Seems like a simpler answer than almost everything else in this video, and it could have just ditched it after a few minutes since it didn't need it anymore,
It's Ya Boi Daniel this seems like a great answer
+Easy Grin Ayy
I assumed that to be the case. That the T-1000 was inside a living shell used once for the trip back in time and then once it arrives it oozes out or cuts it off.
+Darrel Avery same for me
Same idea
I was hoping you would answer how the two terminators in T2 time travelled since the movie lore established that the terminator in the first movie time travelled just before Skynet lost the war. How's things lining up on that front?
Each time they send back terminators a new timeline is created
THANK YOU. How did the skynet in the T2 timeline know that the previous attempt with a t800 failed? Mere chance that it decided to send a t1000 to a different time? Same with T3, how did skynet know it failed twice? That's never explained at least from what I'm aware
Given the T1000 time travels in human form I’ve always believed it emulates human flesh.
I always just assumed Skynet repurposed the skin from the 800 series. It's there and it works, why screw with making something new? Make a T-1000, make it take a roughly T-800 shape, run it through the skinning machine, and poof, temporary time travel suit.
A couple theories here.
1. It gets smashed to bits as we would expect, but it "globs" itself back together - like the facory scene in T2 when he melts.
2. He can morph into any human he touches, but never needs to find clothes. It can only be assumed that the clothing that materializes on his body has the same everything actual fibers would have. Why not flesh?
3. He comes equipped with equipment that distorts the time displacement field to cause it to ignore the materials he is made from.
In the first script I do believe your pod thing was there but they didn't have time to film it.
This is semi-correct. Cameron decided not to use it, as it would be confusing to the audience, and also spoil the reveal that the T-1000 was not human.
looks like you know more about this than I do.
Or…
This is entirely a Genisys-created plot hole.
How ?
T1 Kyle said that nothing inorganic will go.
T2 itself challenged this.
Why are you bringing Genisys here.
James Cameron actually answered this question over a decade ago. In the original shooting script, when the T-1000 arrives in the past, it's in a large flesh cocoon. The cocoon was made of human flesh (grown by Skynet), and the T-1000 just slices his way through the skin with a sword arm, essentially birthing itself. The scene was ultimately cut from the script and never filmed because Cameron didn't want to waste screen time with exposition explaining the what and why of the cocoon, nor did he want to reveal the secret abilities of the T-1000 so early in the film.
This the question I've had since childhood, having my uncle sneak me in the theater to see T2
They just wrapped him in a bundle of flesh and shipped him through - you guys th8ink too deep
I was going to say the same thing... prior to time displacement, skynet probably just covers the T-1000 in a layer of living tissue much like the T-800/850's were and then when the T-1000 reaches the point in time its going, boom, it just ditches the skin and its all polyalloy from there. Simple as that.
except we see the t-1000 arrive, and there is no meatsack. And the whole reason any terminator was sent back, was because it was a rushed job for a last ditch effort to win the war. There was no time to grow a meatsack; the only reason the T-800 and T-850 were ready with organic material prior to being sent back, was because infiltration units like them had been used in the field for years already. They werent made specifically for this (nor was the t-1000). Timetravel was a very new thing in each of these timelines, that was Just used or the first time in each of these timelines
@@lyles32386 Skynet still wants to be made
This one seems to be the most obvious and what I had always assumed. After reaching the past, it can shed the useless skin.
@@lyles32386 Mostly plot holes, that's why. The Terminator's battery is apparently a small nuke by itself, so there's no reason they couldn't have a Terminator detonate the device when in range. It was explained in T2 that a t-800 can't self terminate, but seems like it would be easy enough for Skynet to create a suicide bomber terminator that would guarantee the death of John or Sarah.
Terminator: The Tempest. A group of Terminators travel back in time, but use a captured human to put a weapon inside of him. Flesh Bag if you will. It ain't pretty.
I hope a fan 3D prints that gun for cosplay
I prefer the, as Mr. H put it, "organic pod" idea. It just seems to be the simplest solution to me and everything needed for that method we already know exists thanks to the T-800 series of Terminators. Plus there's nothing in the films themselves to suggest that the mimic aspect of polyalloy goes any deeper than making the surface look like whatever it's trying to mimic, it doesn't have to structure organs on the inside in order to pass as human, which would leave more processing power for other tasks like figuring out the best way to act human, get close to a target, etc.
A lot of y’all are forgetting it has to be living organic not just organic, “nothing dead will go.” -Kyle Reese
"Guns and explosives have *chemicals,* moving parts. *It doesn't work that way.* But it can form *solid metal shapes.* "
Knives and stabbing weapons...
The mimetic polyalloy was placed(slowly injected) into a captured human. So its initial shape is actually someone captured by Skynet not its first assimilated person as we all believed. So the 'Robert Patrick' form is actually what the T-1000 was painfully grown in, in the future. Skynet puts the T-1000 into the time stream. Once the T-1000 is on the other side, it is activated, all the nano particles form together, takes the shape of the host and killing it at the same time (nanonized body parts are blown in all directions)
Also serves as another purpose, allowing it physically copy the shape of a known person for quick infiltration in human population. The copy the host is a one time deal for a T-1000 and cannot be redone. T-1000 is trapped in the past and will always default to the Robert Patrick mold/shape because it is the T-1000's actual default form. So it is the procurer idea to the T 3000. Except the host is just mold and flesh body for 1 time use in time travel. Probably kinda silly I guess.
In the novelisation; the T-1000 came out of a giant 'stamp' imprinted with a human form.
That's a really cool idea. I think one of the comics had a group of Terminators go through time, along with a captive human, who they had inserted a plasma gun into his torso. Upon arrival they ripped the gun out of his body. Your idea works on the same good logic, put the T1000 metal into a human captive just to get it back through time. Although... given the significant size and mass of the T1000 - as big as a human - it's hard to imagine injecting that much metal into a person and them surviving. Hmm. That's the one problem with that idea.
No, it wasn't grown on a human. I read the Terminator 2 book, and after the resistance captured the complex, they found a modified t-800 flesh bonding machine with a small port built into it to introduce the mimetic poly-alloy into the flesh bonding process. So, in essence, the t-1000 model is an advanced and modified t-800
@TheZXKUQYB HOLY SHIT MAN! THATS DARK! But I F**CKING LOVE IT!
I think the answers are way more simple than that really - but DAMN THAT'S GOOD! And would have been Great to see on screen! WOW!
Something I've been wondering about for a bit, it has been shown that a small section can be independant so long as it's near the main mass, so in theory, it could have small sections at a time form a different part, and have those parts interconnect, so it can form something like a motor and sawblade, assuming it can generate its own electrical charge to power the motor.
With some bullets, it can form a gun, put those bullets in, and fire.
Another possible idea for guns is it forms the barrel of a gun (it is a machine after all, it can do precision stuff like that) inserts the bullets in its body, and uses a small section of itself like a firing pin to strike the primer, making it fire.
After all, the gun is only mechanical motion, to help point the bullet and strike the primer to ignite the gunpowder within the bullet.
I swear I remember them answering this in the T3 movie adaption novel.
PLOT ARMOUR :D !!!
The summer Glau terminator would make a good vid.
Arc Trooper Null even tho I knew it was just metal underneath the skin... Still... That ass! John learning in more than one way "how to smash them" lol
I don't think they ever gave her series/model number
National 1 really?
National 1 that’s not correct, her series model Is TOK715
It could be both considering most terminators with flesh coating have two seperate model numbers... One for the chassis and one for the outer coating. Arnold was a t800/t101 for instance.
In the T2 Ultimate Edition DVD, on the Directors Commentary, James Cameron said the lack of flesh covering was a mistake and it would have basically a flesh covering that should have been left on the ground when it showed up and the cop found it.
Great video, personally I always hated the T-1000 conceptually, loved the scenes and the character though, so I had a conflicted childhood.
Couldnt t-1000 simply wear a synthetic skin like t-800 but temporary, just for time travel?
That's what I was thought.
I’m with you
The complicated want to believe they could only do that for earlier crappier model,
As if the tissue can distinguish a 1000 mimicking an 800
A phased plasma riffle in the 40 watt range...THATS HOW!!
“Hey... just what you see pal!”
“The Uzi 9 millimeter”...
The T-1000 could time travel because reasons. Specifically, the reasons are that somebody came up With a really cool concept for a NeXT Gen Terminator and was unwilling to give it up.
It doesn't have to rearrange its whole mass into organic matter equivalent, just the outside layer. T-800s made it through with just a layer of skin on the outside of their metal frame.
Didnt Dark Horse comics cover this not long after the movie was released. Skynet sent a gun through the machine sown into a living human host. So I'm going flesh cocoon 👍👍
TheFarrierphil What I said. I’d imagine it’d be a gross construct like say a sort of Flesh bag with blood vessels, skin, etc, the T1000 is encased in that and it just transports that back to the past.
Maybe like Odo said in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine... suck up blood and bleed it out that when it transports it bleeds or weeps the blood out totally covering itself in blood.
Nicholas Dickens yeah, that sounds about right 👍👍. I'll dig out my old Dark Horse collection and have a recap!!
TheFarrierphil In the first story ‘Tempest’ I believe they just stitched a blaster (phased Plasma handgun) into the stomach of the Resistance Fighter. Then ripped it out of him. :(
Nicholas Dickens haha, yes indeed Nicholas, i sent a pic of it to MrH to let him know. Classes as an 'organic gun case'👍👍.
I remember that graphic novel--as I am wont to say: Unsubtle to say the least.
The answer is that the first Terminator movie made so much money and they needed to show off the new computer graphics they had at the time so they said screw the franchise lore and just had the T1000 come through time without explanation. I am sure in the first Terminator they also said that there was only one time machine and that it was destroyed once, Kyle Reese had traveled through it as well.
Well given the low budget of the original Terminator I doubt it would have been feasible, the stop motion on the T800 looked pretty bad even back in 1985 so going for something more complex would have been a very bad idea.
The Time machine was destroyed; but they sent back the second terminator after Kyle left and didn't bother telling him about it. After all; if they told him that Sarah and John would need another guardian, ten years after him, he might start to wonder why...
Time machine destroyed,Time machine repaired,Time travel restored.
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Legit :-) I always assumed they discovered the T1000's time travel AFTER Kyle had gone through. Simple as that :-)
T-800s had the organic covering to be better infiltrators just like the self learning ability. The first movie timeline the TDD was used in desperation because Skynet had lost. The events change the timeline which then creates Terminator 2's events where T-1000 is sent (Remember in the first movie Skynet had lost, and the TDD was destroyed after Reece went thru. It's just as likely that the TDD in Terminator 2 didn't have this limitation.
The pod theory you came up with holds the most weight with me. See the one problem I have with the time travel model used in the original and subsequent Terminator movies was the incompatibility with non organic matter thing. See...even covering a metal T-800 with skin wouldn't negate all the metal... sort of if you could teleport organic matter. I guess I just enjoy the movies and don't get too obsessed with the science. Great video though. Thanks for posting it. :)
Nanos son
Hahahaha caught that reference
Clark Kent lol nice, im happy to see that a journalist such as yourself caught that. ;)
*Top 10 questions science cant explain*
It’s a film about time travelling robots. I wouldnt think too much about it
It makes sense that the poly alloy is able to pass the TDF, that’s why Skynet chose THAT model and THAT material
Likely theory: the director/writers left a huge, gaping plot hole.
These movies don't even make any sense. Why do they only send one Terminator at a time to one time period? They should send multiple terminators back in time to the same time period. Although they did that in Genysis with sending the T-800, T-1000 and T-3000 and still failed.
Too many terminators in the past could alter the timeline in ways not helpful to Skynet. Imagine if more than one group of people got hold of terminator tech? Humans might develop more powerful weapons before Skynet could. Imagine if humans had plasma weapons at the start of the war, for instance?
The original idea was that Skynet was defeated just before it could use the TDE more often (my understanding). If the T1000 was the prototype in T2, then the TDE was it in T1 ^^
is there a T-2000 terminator? cause' there are T-1000s and T-3000s so there should be T-2000s as well
Nope just T-1000 T-3000, T-5000 and T-Infinity
The Joker Well.... There is a T-1001.
Some ways:
1. They had the T-1000 form itself into a globe and then they encased it inside a giant flesh ball. After traveling, the fleshball is burned up.
2. Skynet managed to upgrade its TDE so it could accept metal. This theory makes sense since Skynet is always upgrading its Terminators.
3. Like you said, the T-1000 had a one-time use TDE generator for it to use.
4. Like you discussed, the T-1000 had a way of "fooling" the TDE into transporting it.
Some questions:
1. If living tissue gets burned up in the timetravel process then wouldn't this have happened to Reese and the two t-800s as well?
2. The first movie clearly stated that sending back the T-800 was SkyNet's last-ditch effort to prevent its own demise, for the resistance had won the war. So, how could SkyNet have possibly upgraded the TDE when it was already destroyed?
3. How exactly does this device circumvent the "nothing dead will go" problem?
4. But why, then, does it have to travel naked?
Terminator 1 and 2 were smart in having the time travel exposition early on and not dwelling on it throughout the films. Overall, it was great to just have the T 1000 even though it didnt make sense with the stated rules
My theory: don't think about it.
It's just a massive plot hole, T2 is a very good film but for me it doesn't touch the original....
I think I like your explanation the best. I like the idea that his molecular structure can design itself down to the molecule to fool the time displacement equipment.
Your explanation on this subject I truly enjoy. And very in depth. I didnt know there were terminator comics. And actually, I myself remembering when the first Terminator debuted was thoroughly impressed by your facts. And let it be known, T2 was the end of the saga for me. Time travel in itself is a dicey subject.
Rumor has it if you comment early enough Mr. H will reply and love ur comment
Red and Blue Steel Studios OFFICIAL He might reply. But i have only seen him ever Like Two comments but he does Read every one.
So here hoping.
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wrong, I like comments all the time, you cant see when ive liked a comment. I dont "love" comments though, because I feel its unfair as it pushes that comment to the top when ordered as most liked. but I always like comments.
Love your videos H. My fiance loves them to. Please keep up the great work
Mr H Reviews Right. Should have said loved comments.
When I was a kid I always wondered why the Terminators modeled themselves after certain people. Like who were the original human that looked like Arnold and Robert. I know they touched on it a little bit in a deleted or post credits scene in T3 where Arnold was like a rich Texan so they took his face model and like one of his employees voice. I also heard that if Terminator Salvation was a hit the sequel was going to be John Connor(Christian Bale) was going to go back in time and partner up with a doctor from the past that is an old Robert Patrick and that was going to explain how the T-1000 was created.
Damn! That Salvation sequel sounded like a great idea.
My personal theory is that the t-1000 is "shipped" with a organic skin covering ( kind of like the flesh cocoon theory) that as it takes damage, the memetic poly alloy "heals" the flesh is simply allowed to die, because the t-1000 has no need for since it can already mimic humans.
Just my two cents.
This makes sense because there was a pod-like device for time travel for the Terminators when they arrived in the past(T-1000 in the fence, T-850 in the back of the truck and T-X in the store). In comparison, Kyle was not and was dropped brutally into the past.
The podcast hey do you remember has a great one about terminator 2. They explain why it's so good and its because most movies are "and then" stories. This thing happens and then, this happens and then. But terminator 2 is a therefore story. The main group does something, therefore t-1000 finds them. They do this, therefore he finds them. And what's also crazy about the t-1000 is that as a bad guy, he is so bad that just knowing he is out there creates panic. Wherever he goes there is chaos. Literally, chaos follows the t-1000 wherever it goes. Such a cool thing to consider.
I read the novelisation once, and I think it was said that the 1000 shifted its shape to flow around and cover part of one of the rotating field generators and then simulate an organic bioelectric field to facilitate the time-travel evolution. There was no organic flesh covering to protect it as it proved superfluous and unnecessary. If there was an internal TDE, it was a one-use item, completely expendable, and most likely it disintegrated and became part of the T-1000's mimetic polyalloy structure (which, if you ask me, I think was a misnomer as I believe the T1000 was a nanotech Terminator)
Skynet trolled the resistance and the time displacement equipment can actually send back pretty much anything.
My theory is that Kyle Reese is not a scientist (he is a soldier) and made an assumption that you needed to be living tissue to go through time but didn't realize that the reason why the terminator was sent back while surrounded by living tissue was because he was an infiltrator and a humanoid robot with future guns running around is sure to draw the attention of the military, meanwhile a regular austrian bodybuilder is not going to be nearly as suspicious. that being said the reason why the Terminator was sent back without a weapon was simply because he could easily procure one.
the reason why Kyle was sent back without a weapon however might just be that the amount of heat during the time travel is so great that it would have burned him or (if it were plastic) melted, or perhaps that they can only send one object at a time and didn't have enough time to send him a gun maybe even that its too imprecise where he would land so that if it would have to be two separate time travel instances that could end up in the same general area (such as the same city) but be nowhere near one another. maybe they just didn't know you could send metal back, but i assume that the heat would have set off the primer for the bullets causing some... unintended death and other side effects.