Embark has to do their own league. Esports aren't profitable, but selling skins is. Embark owns the game, they profit from the skins, they should host the league. It's the only sustainable way of growth. And YES, I absolutely do believe it can be a great esport. One of the greatest, if done right.
Easiest thing for Embark is to do both. Contract someone else to run a league because that will be cheaper for them, and doesn't require multiple hires, while also still allowing them to make cosmetics that can make some money on the side. esports is almost never a money making venture, anything that Embark tried to host will 💯 be a loss for several years. Thats not to say they shouldn't, and I do think they will try it because they like to have stuff in house, but it needs to be a long investment for the sake of the game
@@s2wuolf508it definitely helps games grow, especially in the case of the finals. Unfortunately the biggest thing that keeps games relevant nowadays is hype, and big things happening, even drama. The Finals announcing a big esports scene is exactly what the game needs to enter the conversation in the general gaming community again, and get people talking. You will also have the entire competitive community excited and tons more people streaming the game, hoping to make a name for themselves. Esports will definitely give the finals a good boost.
@ things like twitch rivals that have big streamers playing would be far better than esports to grow the game. It’d be better to get more influencer marketing then have esports once more players are joining in so they have an idea of how the game plays in the top lobbies
Love ST4RZ. It was great as a caster to join Breakout and find another person who took the R6 to The Finals pipeline! Craze is also an absolute babe, its a fantastic setup they've got, and they made a real example of what esports in The Finals can look like. I was super grateful they had me onboard. I've done years of pro r6 casting but to get in on the ground floor with a new game I love playing feels great. At the moment the game needs 2 things to succeed as an esport. First, it needs an improved HUD for the benefit of observers, casters, and viewers. The game's action is currently too unreadable to fully do justice to the incredible gameplay. The second is just any kind of official scene from Embark. Of course there are good and bad ways to go about both these things, but those are the key points.
This game could be cinema, people grappling, dunking plugs, buildings collapsing, but for some reason the game in some ways is kinda staled and doesnt let people have the freedom that a game like the finals should offer. Dont misunderstand me, i really think that the finals is a fun an addictive game, but i would like to see more people grappling, or more heavies creating chaos with flamethrowers. But its kinda delusional to think or pretend that in enviroments where people is competent at the game should be space for every weapon and every playstyle, which is something that most of the playerbase will not understand,and lets be real they dont have to either
i think, instead of an esport, maybe... a gameshow style thing, where people who don't know how to play the game but are used to FPSes are given random loadouts and are forced to go all in? have more zany gameshow stuff happen both in and outside of the game, or something.
The 3rd person flight cam is a bad viewing experience. The game is the most exciting to watch when it's hectic in the qualifier rounds. The 3v3 final format is super boring to watch. Way too much dead time when a team wipes and then a setup takes place and then another wipe followed by another setup and so on.
@@KaleTornado yea in the final round there is less action then in qualifing rounds but I don't see the problems in CS eSports when they are buying stuff or just sitting in corner. Actionless moments can be interesting too. It's just part of the game.
I disagree with this a good bit. I think 3v3 is just as interesting and exciting, if not more, than 3v3v3v3. But, that’s not the point since 3v3 is the perfect BRIDGE into learning 3v3v3v3. the truth is, most players, even regular finals players, don’t understand the strategy and brains of the players and teams in 3v3v3v3. This ultimately makes it extremely hard to get viewers to stay roped in. The visuals and chaos of the mode will draw people in, but if they don’t know what’s happening they aren’t sticking around. 3v3 is beautiful because it simplifies the objectives and makes it a much more viewer-friendly experience for players new to the esports scene. it’s laser-focused, and it’s very easy to SEE what players strategies are, compared to 3v3v3v3 where it’s almost impossible to pick up on the match strategy that teams are using. We need to remember that for the finals to grow, and for this esports scene to grow, it DESPERATELY needs to be inviting and easy to get into. One of, if not THE biggest reason players quit the finals has always been the Cashout mode, as much as we as a community will hate to admit that as we’ve grown to love it. People simply don’t like learning new things. But 3v3 is exactly what everyone is used to already, and you’re infinitely more likely to keep watching and becoming invested in the game as a new player, if the first thing you see is a final round 3v3 against the two best teams using interesting and fun strategies. I’m really hoping that Embark puts a very heavy emphasis on 3v3 matches going forward if Esports starts to develop.
It would hold the game back thematically to NOT delve into the league scene, but I think The Finals should have their own thing going on vs. going full on into an esports scene. The bracket-style competitive modes work perfectly for a league, but I don't want an over-reliance on esports' interests to hold back creative development, so if/when they do - it should be on their own platform.
I think something that people dont really talk about enough is how a team or player that can consistently be considered the best player for a period (i would say minimumly, half a year but the longer the better) is an important sign for a 'healthy' esports scene. It helps to show that that the game has a skill ceiling thats consistent and that it matters, not just luck. It also creates stories more than anything. Whether people like the 'best' team/player, does not matter because they will know their name and will create stories regardless. Meta and stuff does not matter at all, might even be good if the best team abuses it because it creates more stories
I don’t understand what Embark can do to gain more players. I tried putting on so many people to this game and they just don’t like it. I’ve played FPS games for 10 years and this is one of the funnest and I see the competitiveness when I’ve hit top 500 in over 5 different FPS games
Same story with my friends. I inv to The Finals couple people, but they don’t like game. I feel like this is because of quick cash mod which most new players trying to play. For the new player its fun like couple hours, but then when more you play it its start to feel like one big mess. People jump on your head non stop. With ranked this game feels so deferent, but after they new experience at quick cash they don’t even won’t to try it. So yes, it is what it is
@@gjrstar Nah, its good in some ways, i use it like Death Match before ranked to get rustines out. But yes, they kinda need to force people play in world tour first and then maybe the new players will discover a quick cash after.
A Esport has to be not only fun to watch, but fun to watch players better than you use their skill expression in a fair environment. The Finals main Ranked mode is fairly competitive but is subject to quite a bit of RNG, questionable balancing, and has a lot of dead time in between team wipes. Without changes to the base model, and despite being somewhat competitive, I don't think it will grow to the level that games like Rocket League, Counter Strike or Rainbow Six Siege currently experience. It will most likely stay a niche experience for a niche community. ESports scenes grow organically through community interest, not artificially. So Embark Studios doesn't really need to do anything except focus on making the game really fun, balanced and easy to understand and watch it grow naturally. Games that come hot out of the gate with a huge tournament / Esport event tend to just die quickly and ends up being a huge waste of resources.
I absolutely love watching this game. It’s so hectic and so much stuff is happening. I think it would be good for newer players too, to see different techs, strategy, and the way high level players make decisions
Fantastic interview, FINALS is such a fascinating game to watch, and i really hope this coming year will give everyone a chance to see jist what the game can look like, and if it really can sustain a competitive scene
Patrick isn't new to this. Battlefield had the same type of community, mostly casuals with a small passionate group that really wanted to have cash prize tournaments. I think He's like Sakurai (the creator of smash bros) a game developer who hates the pro scene of his own game.
One big this to mention that testing changes, bugs, performance and mechanics on a live server vs like in office on the dev side are 2 very different things. Im a developer and the biggest thing that is really hard to control and fix as a developer is not have the same environment as your customers on companies you develop for. For Example. The invisible wall bug. It is really hard for this to happen and actively replicate of the Devs side. They need to be able to replicate the bug consistently (it may be a network issue which is even harder to replicate when you testing on a private server of probably one person trying take make it where it could be caused by 12 players shooting or damaging other building at the same time) and trying to do that on a basically 0 ping server may be impossible, so in those millions of line of code there could be the most niche interaction that shouldn't even relate to the issue causing the problems. All I'm saying is stopping being angry that Devs "Aren't doing their jobs" when it could be almost impossible to accurately find an issue.
if you do a Esports based on multiple teams. It can't only be based off 1 match. It would need to be a muti match system where placement places you higher.
I think there is something to say about Quick Cash for competitive. There is only one Cashout, so its way easier for the public to follow the action. Having super different fights in the same game can be a little bit frustrating for the public. Then the winner of the match advances in the tournament untill they reach the finals obvs.
I have an idea to make The Finals eSports sound interesting. They just need to pack it like a real game show with hosts and commentators. Also I suggest Embark need another 2 human host/commentators, because I think adding Scotty and Jane might make it more interesting. The obstacle is, are Embark willing to develop an AI algorithm for Scotty and June to actively react to in-game events and the human commentators? If they do without sacrificing time for developing the game, that would be very great!
I'm not really sure. When has a game becoming part of Esports ever result in having a positive influence on players that don't participate in the sport itself? I guess i'm a little worried that embark would release pathes more related to this super competitive play and losing focus in certain core elements of The Finals. But I dont know, maybe i'm just paranoid. However, The Finals would likely experience a considerable surge in its player base if it were to become a part of Esports.
Gotta say I hard disagree with Starz on the talk of ballancing. If you ballance your game around the masses all you do is raise the skill floor, the pros get burned out and you end up with a dead game that has a small dedicated playerbase of essentially Dad gamers. We've seen this play out time and time again with shooters. Where as if you ballance the game around your best players it lends to a vibrant comp scene that keeps best players enganged who then stream the game to attract new players and the new players, so long as your game is actually good, get engaged bc they feel challenged. I can tell you almost friend I have has at least tried the Finals and almost to a man they've quit because they felt the game was too casual and there was too much "cheese". It's a fine line for sure, but I think Embark over all has done a rather poor job of it since the start. They take forever to make changes and a lot of the stuff in the game is just conceptually not a good idea in a comp shooter. The other issue with the game is the abysmall netcode. Server latency, packet loss and hit reg/no reg. They have to get that sorted asap.
hes referring to the start of a new game, before a pro scene is even there before thje best players really show themselves, u need to cater to casuals so u can grow the playerbase and keep their interest
We need some rocket league level casters for the esports and it'll be very damn fun to watch and a good camera system to follow around the events in the game.
They'd have to come up with a new game mode for competitive play to have a chance because cashout will never be competitively viable due to third partying, griefing, and teaming. 3v3 cashout is incredibly boring to watch as well (4 team isn't all that exciting either because of all the downtime). But after the TA disaster I doubt they'd ever try to make anything else ranked other than cashout unfortunately.
1. This is great content, nice work. 2. I never watch esports, and I watched the breakout finals for a bit. It was fun, I'd probably watch again. 3. As a high play time casual, I find 3v3 rounds more boring. Watching, playing, winning, losing, doesn't matter. It's fine, I still have fun, but the magic just isn't there in 3v3.
I don't think the "always buff" philosophy will work for TF, because the longer TTK is better for the game. Lights are dying too quickly to certain weapons, and those weapons need nerfs
You cant keep nerfing because heavy exists. You cant make everything a pea shooter to a heavy just because you want to survive one more hit as a glass cannon light. It just happened to the pike.
This game is possibly the least competitive eSports ive seen, too much dead time, boring metas, bad spectator mode, rng, stream sniping, team focusing and avoiding, optimization, ect etc ect. I love this game more than most ive ever played,but they can barely get a good ranked mode going let alone eSports. Its awesome to watch, awesome to play. But we gave a very very long road ahead. Id rather see this game succeed at a base level and beyond to fix these issues. Maybe eSports will come then
@@tyranus1111 You're missing the point. The fact that you even have that choice is what gives it less competitive integrity. It can also go the other way where the stronger team is greifed out so they don't have to be dealt with later on so you're really just totally talking out of your ass.
@TDG-Supremacy just because you dont like it as a strategy. You do whats needed within the confines of the game to win. If that means ganging up on the best team then thats what you do. If that means abusing the worst then thats what you do.
I hope not. I enjoy experimenting with different loadouts and don't need them fucking up the vibe by catering to sweats. This is a guaranteed recipe for optimizing the fun out of an FPS with forced meta loadouts which is always the end result.
Even for regular tournament play, the team colours and names should be separate. Always being "blue team" annihilates competetive observing before it starts. Edit: competetive is for the viewer not the player. Yea 3v3 might be "balanced", but so boring to watch. 4 teams of 3 however is wild and a blast to watch.
that’s what 3v3 is for and it’s why the breakout worlds format is so good. qualifying rounds in 3v3v3v3, teams racking up points and over time, the best teams will consistently come out of the top of the list, even if every team gets unlucky at some point. Then a playoff bracket of 3v3 matches
I feel like the finals can execute it right if they don't lean incredibly hard on esports, one example of this being overwatch. The Overwatch League completely melted down the game as admitted by several former devs and higher ups, dumping millions of dollars into an "NFL styled" esports league that wasn't all too popular after LAN games were no longer a norm. The Finals can definitely thrive in the esports scene and can even probably surpass games like call of duty or league of legends, they just need to also continue making their players the priority, which they already do an amazing job at
You talking about the competitive with a player who use controller. Where are the real skilled player here? I see only guy who using aimbot that made by devs.
Embark has to do their own league. Esports aren't profitable, but selling skins is.
Embark owns the game, they profit from the skins, they should host the league.
It's the only sustainable way of growth.
And YES, I absolutely do believe it can be a great esport. One of the greatest, if done right.
💯💯💯
Easiest thing for Embark is to do both. Contract someone else to run a league because that will be cheaper for them, and doesn't require multiple hires, while also still allowing them to make cosmetics that can make some money on the side.
esports is almost never a money making venture, anything that Embark tried to host will 💯 be a loss for several years. Thats not to say they shouldn't, and I do think they will try it because they like to have stuff in house, but it needs to be a long investment for the sake of the game
I think we should wait for the game to be more mainstream before this happens
@@Waltztacular all true and based
@@GamingBanddiitt The meta changes every season pretty much lol itll change over time
I think esports will help the game grow, as someone who has a lot of interest already in the game I found breakout really interesting to watch
Esports rarely help games grow, it helps keep a dedicated fanbase though
@@s2wuolf508it definitely helps games grow, especially in the case of the finals. Unfortunately the biggest thing that keeps games relevant nowadays is hype, and big things happening, even drama. The Finals announcing a big esports scene is exactly what the game needs to enter the conversation in the general gaming community again, and get people talking. You will also have the entire competitive community excited and tons more people streaming the game, hoping to make a name for themselves. Esports will definitely give the finals a good boost.
@ things like twitch rivals that have big streamers playing would be far better than esports to grow the game. It’d be better to get more influencer marketing then have esports once more players are joining in so they have an idea of how the game plays in the top lobbies
@@s2wuolf508 they already had a twitch rivals it failed. An Esports is the solution to grow the game
@@jsniffiles I deadass have barely seen games that grew from esports itself
Love ST4RZ. It was great as a caster to join Breakout and find another person who took the R6 to The Finals pipeline!
Craze is also an absolute babe, its a fantastic setup they've got, and they made a real example of what esports in The Finals can look like.
I was super grateful they had me onboard. I've done years of pro r6 casting but to get in on the ground floor with a new game I love playing feels great.
At the moment the game needs 2 things to succeed as an esport. First, it needs an improved HUD for the benefit of observers, casters, and viewers. The game's action is currently too unreadable to fully do justice to the incredible gameplay. The second is just any kind of official scene from Embark. Of course there are good and bad ways to go about both these things, but those are the key points.
This game could be cinema, people grappling, dunking plugs, buildings collapsing, but for some reason the game in some ways is kinda staled and doesnt let people have the freedom that a game like the finals should offer. Dont misunderstand me, i really think that the finals is a fun an addictive game, but i would like to see more people grappling, or more heavies creating chaos with flamethrowers. But its kinda delusional to think or pretend that in enviroments where people is competent at the game should be space for every weapon and every playstyle, which is something that most of the playerbase will not understand,and lets be real they dont have to either
i think, instead of an esport, maybe... a gameshow style thing, where people who don't know how to play the game but are used to FPSes are given random loadouts and are forced to go all in? have more zany gameshow stuff happen both in and outside of the game, or something.
Great point
The 3rd person flight cam is a bad viewing experience. The game is the most exciting to watch when it's hectic in the qualifier rounds. The 3v3 final format is super boring to watch. Way too much dead time when a team wipes and then a setup takes place and then another wipe followed by another setup and so on.
@@KaleTornado yea in the final round there is less action then in qualifing rounds but I don't see the problems in CS eSports when they are buying stuff or just sitting in corner.
Actionless moments can be interesting too. It's just part of the game.
@ach9108 25s of waiting for a team to respawn several times over the course of the final round is significantly more boring.
I disagree with this a good bit. I think 3v3 is just as interesting and exciting, if not more, than 3v3v3v3. But, that’s not the point since 3v3 is the perfect BRIDGE into learning 3v3v3v3. the truth is, most players, even regular finals players, don’t understand the strategy and brains of the players and teams in 3v3v3v3. This ultimately makes it extremely hard to get viewers to stay roped in. The visuals and chaos of the mode will draw people in, but if they don’t know what’s happening they aren’t sticking around. 3v3 is beautiful because it simplifies the objectives and makes it a much more viewer-friendly experience for players new to the esports scene. it’s laser-focused, and it’s very easy to SEE what players strategies are, compared to 3v3v3v3 where it’s almost impossible to pick up on the match strategy that teams are using. We need to remember that for the finals to grow, and for this esports scene to grow, it DESPERATELY needs to be inviting and easy to get into. One of, if not THE biggest reason players quit the finals has always been the Cashout mode, as much as we as a community will hate to admit that as we’ve grown to love it. People simply don’t like learning new things. But 3v3 is exactly what everyone is used to already, and you’re infinitely more likely to keep watching and becoming invested in the game as a new player, if the first thing you see is a final round 3v3 against the two best teams using interesting and fun strategies. I’m really hoping that Embark puts a very heavy emphasis on 3v3 matches going forward if Esports starts to develop.
@dogwithdabutter4 i ain't reading all that. i'm happy for u tho. or sorry that happened
@@KaleTornadothanks
It would hold the game back thematically to NOT delve into the league scene, but I think The Finals should have their own thing going on vs. going full on into an esports scene. The bracket-style competitive modes work perfectly for a league, but I don't want an over-reliance on esports' interests to hold back creative development, so if/when they do - it should be on their own platform.
I think something that people dont really talk about enough is how a team or player that can consistently be considered the best player for a period (i would say minimumly, half a year but the longer the better) is an important sign for a 'healthy' esports scene. It helps to show that that the game has a skill ceiling thats consistent and that it matters, not just luck. It also creates stories more than anything. Whether people like the 'best' team/player, does not matter because they will know their name and will create stories regardless. Meta and stuff does not matter at all, might even be good if the best team abuses it because it creates more stories
Thank you for posting this kind of interview, they are always interesting and really good to listen.
I hope the interview series lasts forever. These are great. You rule Appown
I don’t understand what Embark can do to gain more players. I tried putting on so many people to this game and they just don’t like it. I’ve played FPS games for 10 years and this is one of the funnest and I see the competitiveness when I’ve hit top 500 in over 5 different FPS games
what games?
Same story with my friends. I inv to The Finals couple people, but they don’t like game. I feel like this is because of quick cash mod which most new players trying to play. For the new player its fun like couple hours, but then when more you play it its start to feel like one big mess. People jump on your head non stop. With ranked this game feels so deferent, but after they new experience at quick cash they don’t even won’t to try it. So yes, it is what it is
@@Owl0o just remove quick cash. World tour is such a better gamemode in every way, even for casual newbies.
@@gjrstar Nah, its good in some ways, i use it like Death Match before ranked to get rustines out. But yes, they kinda need to force people play in world tour first and then maybe the new players will discover a quick cash after.
@@Owl0o Maybe they could make it 3v3 quick cash instead. Bc right now its just a third party fiesta which is 99% luck with the new crappy spawns.
A Esport has to be not only fun to watch, but fun to watch players better than you use their skill expression in a fair environment. The Finals main Ranked mode is fairly competitive but is subject to quite a bit of RNG, questionable balancing, and has a lot of dead time in between team wipes. Without changes to the base model, and despite being somewhat competitive, I don't think it will grow to the level that games like Rocket League, Counter Strike or Rainbow Six Siege currently experience. It will most likely stay a niche experience for a niche community.
ESports scenes grow organically through community interest, not artificially. So Embark Studios doesn't really need to do anything except focus on making the game really fun, balanced and easy to understand and watch it grow naturally. Games that come hot out of the gate with a huge tournament / Esport event tend to just die quickly and ends up being a huge waste of resources.
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I absolutely love watching this game. It’s so hectic and so much stuff is happening. I think it would be good for newer players too, to see different techs, strategy, and the way high level players make decisions
Fantastic interview, FINALS is such a fascinating game to watch, and i really hope this coming year will give everyone a chance to see jist what the game can look like, and if it really can sustain a competitive scene
31:06 NBA throw and i love how the AI just know that and commentary on that throw too
Patrick isn't new to this. Battlefield had the same type of community, mostly casuals with a small passionate group that really wanted to have cash prize tournaments. I think He's like Sakurai (the creator of smash bros) a game developer who hates the pro scene of his own game.
The plot of smashbros is an analogy to how sakuri wanted to make fun games but nintendo hindered his creativity. Master Hand is meant to be nintendo.
One big this to mention that testing changes, bugs, performance and mechanics on a live server vs like in office on the dev side are 2 very different things. Im a developer and the biggest thing that is really hard to control and fix as a developer is not have the same environment as your customers on companies you develop for.
For Example. The invisible wall bug. It is really hard for this to happen and actively replicate of the Devs side. They need to be able to replicate the bug consistently (it may be a network issue which is even harder to replicate when you testing on a private server of probably one person trying take make it where it could be caused by 12 players shooting or damaging other building at the same time) and trying to do that on a basically 0 ping server may be impossible, so in those millions of line of code there could be the most niche interaction that shouldn't even relate to the issue causing the problems.
All I'm saying is stopping being angry that Devs "Aren't doing their jobs" when it could be almost impossible to accurately find an issue.
if you do a Esports based on multiple teams. It can't only be based off 1 match. It would need to be a muti match system where placement places you higher.
3 classes with unique gadgets, 3 players per team, every person fulfills a different role.
I think there is something to say about Quick Cash for competitive. There is only one Cashout, so its way easier for the public to follow the action. Having super different fights in the same game can be a little bit frustrating for the public. Then the winner of the match advances in the tournament untill they reach the finals obvs.
I have an idea to make The Finals eSports sound interesting. They just need to pack it like a real game show with hosts and commentators. Also I suggest Embark need another 2 human host/commentators, because I think adding Scotty and Jane might make it more interesting. The obstacle is, are Embark willing to develop an AI algorithm for Scotty and June to actively react to in-game events and the human commentators? If they do without sacrificing time for developing the game, that would be very great!
I think embark needs to get the game balanced (more buffs), performing better, and less buggy first.
I'm not really sure. When has a game becoming part of Esports ever result in having a positive influence on players that don't participate in the sport itself? I guess i'm a little worried that embark would release pathes more related to this super competitive play and losing focus in certain core elements of The Finals. But I dont know, maybe i'm just paranoid. However, The Finals would likely experience a considerable surge in its player base if it were to become a part of Esports.
Gotta say I hard disagree with Starz on the talk of ballancing. If you ballance your game around the masses all you do is raise the skill floor, the pros get burned out and you end up with a dead game that has a small dedicated playerbase of essentially Dad gamers. We've seen this play out time and time again with shooters. Where as if you ballance the game around your best players it lends to a vibrant comp scene that keeps best players enganged who then stream the game to attract new players and the new players, so long as your game is actually good, get engaged bc they feel challenged. I can tell you almost friend I have has at least tried the Finals and almost to a man they've quit because they felt the game was too casual and there was too much "cheese". It's a fine line for sure, but I think Embark over all has done a rather poor job of it since the start. They take forever to make changes and a lot of the stuff in the game is just conceptually not a good idea in a comp shooter.
The other issue with the game is the abysmall netcode. Server latency, packet loss and hit reg/no reg. They have to get that sorted asap.
hes referring to the start of a new game, before a pro scene is even there before thje best players really show themselves, u need to cater to casuals so u can grow the playerbase and keep their interest
I get the connection interrupted icon all the time 😢 Hit reg is very questionable too especially with how fast lights dash and grapple
We need some rocket league level casters for the esports and it'll be very damn fun to watch and a good camera system to follow around the events in the game.
i have a problem with the fact that a player can just press a button and get a kill (charge and slam)
They'd have to come up with a new game mode for competitive play to have a chance because cashout will never be competitively viable due to third partying, griefing, and teaming. 3v3 cashout is incredibly boring to watch as well (4 team isn't all that exciting either because of all the downtime). But after the TA disaster I doubt they'd ever try to make anything else ranked other than cashout unfortunately.
holy shit what a yeet of the cashbox at 31:03
1. This is great content, nice work.
2. I never watch esports, and I watched the breakout finals for a bit. It was fun, I'd probably watch again.
3. As a high play time casual, I find 3v3 rounds more boring. Watching, playing, winning, losing, doesn't matter. It's fine, I still have fun, but the magic just isn't there in 3v3.
I don't think the "always buff" philosophy will work for TF, because the longer TTK is better for the game. Lights are dying too quickly to certain weapons, and those weapons need nerfs
well they keep nerfing and its not working well so who knows, buffing would be nice to see
You cant keep nerfing because heavy exists. You cant make everything a pea shooter to a heavy just because you want to survive one more hit as a glass cannon light. It just happened to the pike.
Appoh I think Defib should take up two gadget slots, it would give the gadget room for a buff and nerf the triple medium meta. What are your thoughts?
Amazing video
This game is possibly the least competitive eSports ive seen, too much dead time, boring metas, bad spectator mode, rng, stream sniping, team focusing and avoiding, optimization, ect etc ect. I love this game more than most ive ever played,but they can barely get a good ranked mode going let alone eSports. Its awesome to watch, awesome to play. But we gave a very very long road ahead. Id rather see this game succeed at a base level and beyond to fix these issues. Maybe eSports will come then
If one team is notably worse why wouldnt you focus them? If one team is better why woudlnt you avoid them? Skill issue.
@@tyranus1111 You're missing the point. The fact that you even have that choice is what gives it less competitive integrity. It can also go the other way where the stronger team is greifed out so they don't have to be dealt with later on so you're really just totally talking out of your ass.
@TDG-Supremacy just because you dont like it as a strategy. You do whats needed within the confines of the game to win. If that means ganging up on the best team then thats what you do. If that means abusing the worst then thats what you do.
Esports are made from a fun game that people care to play, not artificial interest and force.
Just see the Overwatch League.
I hope not. I enjoy experimenting with different loadouts and don't need them fucking up the vibe by catering to sweats. This is a guaranteed recipe for optimizing the fun out of an FPS with forced meta loadouts which is always the end result.
Skill issue
@@Zarkmoneybags This isn't an insult to people who are employed and have social lives. Improve yourself.
Even for regular tournament play, the team colours and names should be separate. Always being "blue team" annihilates competetive observing before it starts.
Edit: competetive is for the viewer not the player. Yea 3v3 might be "balanced", but so boring to watch. 4 teams of 3 however is wild and a blast to watch.
Tbh nah, the 3rd team and griefing would make it unplayable
that’s what 3v3 is for and it’s why the breakout worlds format is so good. qualifying rounds in 3v3v3v3, teams racking up points and over time, the best teams will consistently come out of the top of the list, even if every team gets unlucky at some point. Then a playoff bracket of 3v3 matches
The chaos of that is a massive part of The Finals' identity tho
I feel like the finals can execute it right if they don't lean incredibly hard on esports, one example of this being overwatch. The Overwatch League completely melted down the game as admitted by several former devs and higher ups, dumping millions of dollars into an "NFL styled" esports league that wasn't all too popular after LAN games were no longer a norm. The Finals can definitely thrive in the esports scene and can even probably surpass games like call of duty or league of legends, they just need to also continue making their players the priority, which they already do an amazing job at
No it's good but not that good the game has to many problems
You talking about the competitive with a player who use controller. Where are the real skilled player here? I see only guy who using aimbot that made by devs.
there will be no esport before they remove controller aim assist
lol
The game, sadly as it is, has not enough player / interest for e-sports.
What I thought, should let the game grow before we force esports
First gg
Esports are pretty dead so i hope not
the finals is here to bring it back :))
you're following dead esports then lol