OLD STEAM POWERED MACHINE SHOP 14 Steam engine crankshaft
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- This is number 14 in a series of videos I created in my shop to depict how work might have been done in a 1925 steam powered small job shop in "up-state" New York, under steam power. The job for today envolves repair of a crankshaft belonging to an early 1900's vertical steam engine which will be completely rebuilt in the shop. All comments on steam power, old type machine work, line shaft operation and the such, are always welcome. If you try to imagine a time when Ford was cranking out Model Ts by the thousands and we wouldn't see model As for a few more years, horses, buggys and wooden wagons were a major part of transportation and most small industry was still powered by water wheels or steam , you get the picture. Pioneers by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution license (creativecommons.org/licenses/...)
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Dave that cylinder turned out beautiful. You and your shop are a national treasure. God Bless.
Thanks, that one bored nice.....Dave
I can tell Dave was born at night, but not last night. He does a lot of work, but it never looks like he's working hard and he makes it look easy. The final reason, any pro is finished the job right around the time to go home, every time.
It's Great to see someone who can pretty much start and finish a job like that crank repair without the need for ultra modern equipment. You're a credit to all machinists and I hope your knowledge and passion for the trade is passed on to someone(s) worthy of your teachings. Keep up the fantastic work!
Thanks for the kind words Jules.......Dave
Now that was awesome. The oldest steam job shop in North America.
Loved that Babbitt Lock Washer, kind of leaves you scratching your head trying to deconstruct their thinking.
Hi John, Yeah, looking at a lot of "cut an Try" engineering. "If it breaks, change it so it won't" type thinking....Dave
Its cool knowing there are guys out there preserving this
Gives the feeling what it must have been like in days gone by. Great video
Dave great videos I am 94 years old the fiirst machine shop I workd in age 17 was completly belt d riven your videos realy do bring history to life as far as I am concrned
Great comment Philip, glad to have you along...Dave
Hi Dave, I emailed my 86 year old father Kel New, back home in New Zealand, a link to one of your vids. Dad's a retired builder, cabinet maker and all round practical bloke who loves machines, engines and hands on work. Dad's loving your videos and what you do. The word is getting out . Dad might not comment himself, as computers aren't his thing.
Anyway, we both love your channel, your shop and what you do. Take care and many thanks for the videos!
Thanks Bryce, I hope he enjoys it...Dave
I really enjoyed watching how you repaired the end of the crankshaft.and watching the machining of it .....Adding the weights at the chuck was a great Idea !!!
Weights are Abom's idea...probably passed on from his Grandfather....Dave
Great video, we appreciate your attention to detail! Wouldn't be a machinist without it. Keep up the great work and God bless!
I love the old stuff. But it's not the end of the world if steam goes the way of the dodo bird.
Hi Dave I am rely impress the way you make your shop work, I have always liked steam engines so keep the good work going I can't get enough of your videos
Thanks for watching, glad to have you along....Dave
You are an OG machinist Sir.
That overhead shot of the swaying light fixtures was cool. Your shop is ALIVE! My shop is sterile with only the hum of the machines and the occasional sound of a crashing NC someone programmed wrong. I mainly run the conventional lathes. Keep the videos coming. Just load what you have mistakes and all cause it is all good stuff.Thanks for taking the time to make them and keep em coming.
Thanks Johnny, watch that CNC stuff......Dave
I am using the last steam powered computer at work , let me down again today , ran out of coal, awesome vid Dave
I tried burning cardboard , worked for a while
I managed a tool and die shop for many years. I love the steam power and the great explanations that come with your videos. Thanks for providing it to us all.
Ouch! That’s the best set up I have ever seen by far .great.I run mine from a old stationary engine,nothing is electric ..so really appreciate your workshop. Thanks from nz.
Thanks, good too hear from New Zeland. By the way, do you know Burt Monroe?
Well done... working on the Lathe is my edjucated Job . I like to have such a old one. Indepent from elektric power will be perfect.
I usually read all of the comments before adding my 2 cents . . . but I'll just dig right in -
Counterbalancing at the chuck can become super critical with relation to speed . . . harmonic imbalance sets in , with potentially catastrophic results ! * Glad you had a chat with A - bom !
I've seen all of your videos , & relish peering into the past, and seeing 'Old Iron' being kept alive ! Thanks for being so kind in sharing this with us old horses !
Thanks George, as you can see I run everything at very slow speeds, even with HSS or carbide. Older machines are pretty rigid so heavy cuts sort of make up for it. So, when something starts going very wrong, it does it in "slower" motion. ...Dave
The shop may be old but it is certainly busy. Keep on keeping on.
Thanks for stopping in Harold....us old guys have to entertain ourselves.....dave
That is the best hand turned weld I've ever seen. Trust it against any other is all I got other than the respect I got for all the old timers who invented all this while kids sit and zone out on video games learning nothing.
fla playa sorry bud better look again at that weld it's full of porosity. All this little pin holes are bad. Looks like he used cold/old rods. The only reason it will most likely be ok is because of the thickness. But that wouldn't fly at my job.
man, just treating those leather belts is a full time job by itself
I just do one every once in awhile and get around the shop in a year...Dave
To have the knowledge to know what your looking at when you see a tool somewhere and know what it's for even though it's been out of use for decades and then put it to use is great. the old ways should never be lost to time even though modern machinery does wonderful things only dreamed of back then, the old machines and tools can still get it done but you have to work at it a bit more.
Hello David, I know you are trying to do everything old school but you have to remember that the indicator you use is a mechanical indicator and not a dial indicator. You called it a dial indicator at 38:19. I love watching you do things old school, it is amazing what folks accomplished without electricity. All the best, Edgar
I am from North Dakota originally, I remember that in Mankato Minn. they have a big steam threshers show in the fall, so it is probably over by now and it would be about 1500 miles one way.
You might wish to look it up on the internet to verify that I am correct.
Thanks again for your episodes, I really enjoy them.
Sorry, bad information, it is at Rollag, Minn, near Detroit Lakes, MN about 80 miles east of the Minn/North Dakota border, A.K.A The Red River of the North.
Rollag is a great show from what I hear, I'd like to make it some year....Dave
This is my favorite you tube channel of all time. thank you so much for sharing it is greatly appreciated.
Wonderful Craftsmanship. Take care of the indicator. They don't make them like that anymore.
There's something relaxing about the sound of the steam engine, belts, and machinery running.
I wish you made videos every day, I can't get enough of this. Please film everything! You don't even have to edit it, just leave your camera running then upload it!
I don't know if you have seen my comments in the past. I'm the one that made a comment saying he wanted to make a steam powered machine shop because of you. Well, I have a large shed as a starting point. Ill be casting components for the lathe and shaper that will build the steam engine to power the shop. Starting next month in May lord willing.
An added benefit of steam powered industry. I'll still be building and repairing things long after an attack on the electric grid. The way I see it, I'm adding to the resilience of american industry. And this is all thanks to you and your work here.
Mr Knight: Good luck with your shop...Dave
Your shop will be more valuable than gold when an EMP wave wipes out CNC and electric equipment. Keep up the great work.
"Too late to change your mind now" still makes me chuckle every time.
Nice one Dave, I cannot wait to see you restoring that Hacksaw machine back to it's former glory.
Kinzer is a great show. I did not make it this year. Thrilled you got there. I knew it was good but not know it was one of the largest. Wish I had gone now!
Love the videos. Keep up the great work. We love watching what you are up to
The steam engine guys decided to go all out this year and invite a lot of engines from out of their regular area. The PA boiler inspector was very accommodating with his time to get all the engines inspected properly before the show. First class operation....Dave
Man that is great. ave to get there again next year I think. Strasburg Railroad is not far from there. and the PA railway museum.
Kinzer's fall show is in October, check their website it's a big deal also. I don't know about you, but I have more time in the Fall....Dave
Oh joy! Another steam machine shop video! OK, the welding was cheating but forge-welding would be impossible. Loved the :new" belt-driven hacksaw. Who needs a Harbor Freight bandsaw? Loved the old-style DTI, lever-operated. And a nice piece of turning. And I agree, it is very difficult to set up a crankshaft on a faceplate. The old-timers apparently did it all the time but I for sure can't do it! Keep them videos coming!
Do your research before you post. The first arc welder is about 1890. See www.millerwelds.com/resources/article-library/the-history-of-welding. This is well within the time frame for this shop. I retract my "cheating" remark.
Thanks Juan, That crankshaft was turned from one piece. I probably could have keyed and pressed a new whole PTO end into the throw, but the arc welding was necessary to save the crankshaft. ...Dave
Yet again Another great video. This summer i had the chance to work on a super heated garret traction engine. There's nothing like being on the footplate on a large road locomotive. Its nice that we have people around willing to preserve these engines and machinery for the next generation to see. Keep up the good work!
Agreed, thanks,,,,Dave
Nice repair. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, I was hoping to save it...Dave
Just came home from our local steam and vintage tractor show.
Now to end a perfect Day a spot of steam driven workshop.
Life is good.
Thank you Dave for an other nice video.
Good as always.
Greetings from the Netherlands
Thanks to Netherlands Henk...Dave
Here also a Big fan from the Netherlands :) Awesome keep it up !
I wish my lathe had the T-slots in the apron shears like your lathe has. It takes some blocking up, but cylinder blocks and what not may be bored on the lathe like you did with the boring mill. It takes a lot longer to set up, but it can be done within the limits of the lathe's swing and cross slide clearance.
Always look forward to your videos.
Oh yeah, That's the idea with the apron T slots. You sort of make a small boring mill out of it...Dave
Hi there Dave, I really like the way you show in your vids the maintenance that you carry out on your equipment (line shaft oiling, belt conditioning, and such.There are a lot of people,me included, maybe wouldn't have realised what needs doing) whilst the boiler gets up to working pressure. Thank you for giving us a chance to see what's required to run a steam powered shop.
Cheers,
Paul.
Thanks Paul, There's a lot to keep in mind, but I do a couple things each time....Dave
Threshmans ball is a awesome show,so is pageant of steam in berryville va. We didn’t have the show this year and last year I couldn’t get time off so I missed running the stationary frick for the shingle mill.
This is absolutely fascinating! 👍
I just found your channel yesterday after watching Keith Rucker's video. I watched all your episodes and can't wait for more. Just like Keith Fenner, jobber's getting it done! Thanks for what you bring to us all watching your channel. Thanks, Jeff N.
Jeff, You watched all of them? Man you are hooked on old stuff too....Dave
65429 views! congrats! Used to bore and build DeLaval vacuum pumps for a dairy service outfit until they started robbing single parts from pumps that were carefully set up, and they had trouble paying. Must have done scores of 'em. I bored them on my 24 inch 1925 Bullard. She is in very good shape. When I got her it was still driven by flat belt. That belt would come right off the pulleys and hoop snake right by me across the floor. I replaced that system with timing belt running on the same pulley, but with teeth cut into the OD.
Excellent as usual sir !
This is an excellent channel Dave.
Nice work on the vacuum pump and the crank shaft.
The vacuum pump is similar to the Moro M9/M200 type. The wear pattern inside tells that it has been running with failing filters (if even applied?).
Remember to set the rotor and end pieces to the house and make new reamed guiding holes. 80% vacuum with new vanes and correct rotor setting should be easily accomplished.
All the best to you and your fantastic channel!
This customer has been in the business for a lot of years and builds his own pumps, he just couldn't find a shop that could bore the cylinder. He has more bare cylinders to bore later. You are quite familiar with them?
Yes, the M9 but also like Wittig WPS 196 and 200. old ones like RVL 40 and so on and so on.
My first real job (1982) was as a mechanic on sewage vehicles, high pressure water pumps, garbage collectors, street sweepers and things like that. Did that for 18 years and left the "business" around 2000.
Hard work but happy days. :)
Still catching up on all of your videos... But this is definitely one of the most satisfying channels going. 👍🏼👍🏼
I really all your videos but this one is the best one yet.
Thanks Dale, I appreciate that because I'm never sure just how to go about showing the different operations...Dave
That was the coolest dial indicator I´v ever seen.
Thanks for the new video. Glad to see move vintage machinery and engines saved. A.Noyes
the "T" slots in the 4 jaw are useful to put jacks to support odd shaped pieces and to put machinable support that can be machined to make stops to hold parts a certain distance from the chuck face and in production runs to get rough parts concentric and strait quicker
I love the videos....Thanks!
its encouraging to see precise work being done with old stuff. It takes a lot of skill and experience ( and patience) to get this kind of result with machines that have a degree of wear on them. great tutorial, many thanks
Charlie, I guess I've never run a really good, super accurate lathe so I usually just "sneak up" on it and keep checking on how it's going so when the last cut comes up I know what's going to happen....Dave
Sweet machine.
Still with you and watching every video. I think the series of videos featuring with the project engine is the best stuff you have put up yet!
Nice to watch very old machines doing quality work 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Lawrence....Dave
Hi Dave and glad you're back! Nice job on the crank and good find on the hacksaw. The short bits don't bother a thing. It's all easy to keep track of, even with me with no attention span. Thanks again. Pleasure to be here!
I know this is an older episodes, but wanted to comment on the HoBo mill work. I have a fondness for them, I ran a Bullard (I believe 5 or 5-1/2” spindle, with a square indexable table and big tailstock, back in ‘80-81 period. You may know the name Farrell Corporation name as they had a plant in Rochester back then. I worked in Connecticut. Cool machine. My Bullard was probably late 50’s or 1960’s era.
Thanks for the comment....Dave
first video i've seen from this channel and im smiling when he said "you can see us on our....uh... Gee-Plus page" I love the charm.
I keep running in to you in the strangest places...
Obi wan Dave, once again my mind hath been enriched from observing thoust sharing your great Wisdom! As always thank you....Scott of far away Washington State. Which BTW, if thoust every journeys across our great fruited Plains to the scenic Pacific Northwest lunch is on me!
Well I might just take you up on that...BTW same here.....Dave
Hi Dave. Thanks for all the great steam. All I have are old machines and you have helped me get more out of them. My machining skills are definately old school. Also, thanks for the info on the Starrett No.64 indicator. I went digging around in my uncle's Kennedy tool chest and found the complete set up. I have an Armstrong universal tool holder for a large shaper such as you have. If you are interested, I would be happy to send it to you as it's of no use to me as it's too big for my Logan 7" shaper.
thanks again and keep on steaming.
Hi Gregg, I'll bet there are a lot of old indicators still around, and folks don't know what they are. I can always use large holders. my email is enginedrdave@gmail.com .....Dave
Great fix thanks for sharing.
Keep em comming Dave my kind'a shop sam
Thanks Sam, Getting into the main bearings next....Dave
That is really beautiful, a real piece of artwork. I never thought you could add an extension to a shaft like that. I am very impressed and learn something new today. Keep up the good work I will be following.
I solved a damaged shaft the very same way, Great minds thing alike! LOL
I worked at an old papermill that ran on line shafts driven with steam engines and turbines. When the smallest of turbine engines failed a 500 electric motor was put in its place. Dispite my best effort to prevent it the turbine went to salvage. In fact the entire old part of the papermill went to scrap. Because of the tax break given nothing could be salvaged. The truth is no one but myself wanted to even try.
your shop and work is the coolest educational video I have ever watched, go old school...
I really enjoy your channel. Thanks.
thanks for taking the time to comment Terry, Glad to know we are on the right track here...Dave
Yes sir you are doing great. So far I am up to #17... I really enjoyed all of them.
Hi Dave - your videos are always very interesting, but this one more so. Honestly one of the best machining videos I've seen. You really need to try to find a young enthusiastic man to pass on your skill (if you haven't already done so). Because they really are priceless. I'm sure you understand what I mean.
Also vane pumps always seem to wear more than internal and external gear pumps. We used to find this on engine rebuilds in the 70s. Just a quick story. It was a Transit V4 and we always fitted a new pump. One old unit had one that appeared brand new so we reused it. When fitted it had no oil pressure. I was given the job to fit a new one, quite simple as you could get the sump off. I fitted the new one and it had oil pressure before it even started. Just one of those things you remember.
Hi Malc, Thanks for the comment. This customer says he has been in the Vac. pump business for a lot of years and has got an inlet mist oiler set up on the inlet side and has experimented around with different oils to get a lot more life out of them. Has several more to do....Dave
Always happy to see another episode. Thanks for keeping the tradition alive and thanks for recording it on video.
Dave, thank you for ANOTHER awesome video. The boiler in my father's 40ft steam boat came from a friend's shop and powered the single cylinder engine running the line shafts... He fired it up for us when I was about 10, so amazing to watch and experience.
Very interesting steam boat you have Westley, It will be worth the effort, keep us posted on the progress....Dave
Thank you. Will do
I've commented before, but I don't know if I ever told you about my machines. I have a Champion Tool works lathe, a Silver manufacturing company camelback drill press, and a bench grinder that are all three lines haft machines that were retrofitted to be run by electric motors. They came out of the machine shop in the local box and mill work factory in here in my town. The mill opened in 1895 and closed last summer, 2015. I had thought that maybe the machines had always been electrically driven, but recently found out that there used to be a line shaft that ran the length of the building and ran all of the machinery in the building. I was pretty excited to learn a little more about the story of my machines, just wish I had more of the lines haft pieces. The clutch of the drill press is gone, the lines haft end of the lathe pulleys is gone, and has been replaced with an electric motor, and the bench grinder's stand has been modified to hold an electric motor, which is missing.
Dave I am a Blacksmith and Woodworker. I work in 19th century tools. I am mostly muscle powered. I started watching you when you came online to TH-cam. I dearly love what you are doing and the way your videos are placed together. Well done and keep it going. The ones of us that are trying to save the way things were done are far a few between. Some of the things we do you cant find in books.
I do hope one day one of my grand children will take interest in what I do and carry it on. My question to you is, do you have an apprentice that you are teaching?
Thanks Dave, like you I'm just trying to pass on some of the things I am interested in and know about, Hoping that it will generate some interest with folks to learn more about it. Sad to say that few young people have interest in history, making or repairing things these days....Dave
I think there's hope yet!
I am 27 years old and (belatedly) studying Tech Management & Maritime Engineering. Although I know I won't be able to use amazing machines and tools like this when I'm graduated and on hire, it's something I am very interested in as hobby potential.
I live in Denmark and we do actually have quite a lot of museums, public and private, who display and use industrial revolution-era equipment like this and, furthermore, there seems to be a sort of resurgence in the interest of fundamental and/or orthodox handcrafts, at least over here, among the young people.
Wonderful comments guys. Povl here in the US we have a lot of agricultural museums and some small towns that do full reenactments. My brother in law was a blacksmith for one of our local ag museums. Its still out there but there is nothing like the hands on training. Not with the internet age things like Dave's shop will be recorded for history and further study. Thanks again for the replies guys.
The new technology is being used to preserve the old. Pretty cool when you think about it.
Agreed!!!!
Great videos! I can smell the wood smoke and the hot oil.
Dave I really do admire your ability to machine everything the way you do. I wish the people my age, in our twenties, had more people like you that we could learn a trade and skill that would carry us though our life.
Nick, Thanks for the great comment. This is exactly why I put up this channel, to show what used to be done in this country that has now been lost. Most high schools and community colleges (but not all) have removed their industrial arts "shop" programs years ago. I general terms, not much of anything is being done industrially in this country anymore and we are starting to see the results. If you need something built or repaired, you really have to hunt for someone that owns a lathe and can run it. Viewers here should demand that their schools reinstitute some form of basic industrial education. And you should support it. enough said. ....Dave
I could watch you for hours I am serious, This is machine art You are one gifted guy.
Well done. Just learning as a hobbyist...my late Grandfather was a machinist most of his working life. Love the videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks Wade, I would like to have lived in his "time".....Dave
Man, what a great shop. How'd I miss this channel?!!
I've watched all your vids and I love it. I can't get out and see things like I want to and this helps a lot. I still play around with old junk in my garage but nothing like what you are doing. Keep on keeping on. Thank you very much.
Will do....thanks Paul.....Dave
Very much enjoyed watching you repair the crank shaft. Reminded me a lot of when I worked in a hydraulic repair shop and fixed so many bent or broken piston rods. Whatever bent that one... golly that must of been a bad day. Nice balancing trick in the lathe. Looking forward to episode when the engine runs again.
I posted a photo on my g+ page of marks left on the rod and engine base where something big got in the engine...Dave
Very interesting, love that sound of the single cylinder working in the background cheers Dennis
Incredible!
Awesome work love the older machines...
Dave I love your channel. I"m a 3 Generation Blacksmith in my family and have a fond for steam engines. I'm 16 and still ways to go in the great department for blacksmithing but like Dave Bardin said somethings you cant find in books. To make a long story short love your channel and keep it up on the steam work up. Be nice if i could see your shop myself.
Daves the man !!
Great video's
very nice job i enjoy your videos.
i love old steam machines i am trying to get a steam machine but its realy hard here in finland
This is my favorite channel to watch but all the machine channels are good.I even have my son watching now and he likes it to
How have I never found this channel before I love old machines. That old Racine you have is a gem!!! I have one that's just a little older than that I talk to this guy and send him pictures he's an expert on the Racine's and power hacksaws in general mine's a 21-inch I believe I can't even remember I haven't been out there in about a month because I've been sick. But he said mine's right around the turn of the century. it works like brand new I didn't even restore it well I had to start using it right away. The only thing I restored is the Brown & Sharpe oil pump and I'm about to go put that on one of my lathes right now. People don't realize how great those power hacksaws work. I can literally cut a 15 inch piece of Steel with no problem. I mean the diameters are huge that this thing can hold. it has a voice that's actually two halves so I can slide it way way way open and as long as it'll still grip the part it's no problem. I routinely cut 5 inch diameter tool steel without breaking a sweat. I didn't notice I'll have to wash the beginning of your video again does yours have a gearbox with three speeds on it?
I really love watching you doing it the way it used to be done. You are truly an artist.My compliments.Thank you for sharing
I had this video in my watch later for ages, I'm glad I finally returned to it.
I have never been comfortable around steam since the training videos in Navy boot camp. I think how dangerous it can be overshadowed what i was supposed to be learning about it. But with all that said the steam powered equipment is still more facinating than the new CNC equipment could possibly be. Wonderful explanations David. Thank you. Your channel is the first channel i subscribed to at end of watching the first video.
Most interesting seeing that vane air pump being rebored, That sort of damage usually occurs when the constant drip feed oil supply fails for some reason or the water trap fails for some reason on the plumbing from the tank to the pump and the pump is flooded with sludge!
A simple ball valve is reversed which allows the pump to pressurise the tank and blow the contents out as a spray onto the land for emptying.
Wow, a sludge pumper with experience, thanks Dan..Dave
This is so far from anything I know about. It is absolutely fascinating. Thank you for making these videos.
Thanks Josh, stick around, we will do some things...Dave
I'm really happy I discovered this channel. I'm learning a lot.
G'day Dave great video the boring machine looks a lot like the ones they used for machining cylinders on steam locos. Really interested in how you are machining the crank shaft, especially how you are going to put a sleeve in the damaged end. Thanks for showing another great video. Kind regards John Tasmania
Hi again John, The crank could be sleeved, but I'll turn it undersize and re-pour the bearings to fit. That's next...Dave
Man you're a real fan. with greetings from Russia
Thanks, good to hear from you...Dave