OLD STEAM POWERED MACHINE SHOP 16 Align boring the mains
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- This is a series of videos I created in my shop to depict what might have been happening in a small steam powered job machine shop in a small town anywhere in the United States in 1925. The year that Ford started production on a very "advanced" airline transport plane, the Ford Tri-motor. Charles Linbergh was planning the first first trans-atlantic flight that would happen two years later. The shop project is an early 1900 vertical steam engine, which will be completely rebuilt on this channel. In this installment, the newly re-poured main bearings are line bored to fit the crankshaft. All comments, questions and discussion about steam power, old machine shop practices, and line shaft/ belt power are welcome here. Thanks for your interest and comments. You can check my g+ page (on the channel header) for news and things going on in the shop. Thanks....Dave
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I'll bet your neighbors just LOVE you when you blow that whistle.........LOVE your videos and your shop. Pleasure to watch and LEARN....Keep it up....
Actually they do. It's sort of a time keeper around town. The guys in the post office try to have requested it blown at quarter till five some days, so they can close up early....Dave
Watching you is a real pleasure, Dave.
I've heard the old timers talk about babbitt bearings. Thanks to you sir, I now have an in depth understanding of what they are, and how they work. Keep up the videos please. I've been binge watching on and off all weekend.
Thanks Dan, I've got another babbitt job coming up on a pair of jack shaft bearings.....Dave
i cant tell you how much i enjoy watching your videos. what a great job on the thread dial. i just love how you incorporated various parts to make it.real old school ingenuity. it must be a good feeling when you can hit your numbers with that old boring mill. that level of craftsmanship is becoming harder and harder to find today.
Thanks Larry, I appreciate that, I think it's about patience as much as anything. 30 years ago I wouldn't have had it....Dave
There is a certain pleasure and satisfaction to hand carve that soft metal and make it fit.
I sometimes just cleaned up piston rod bearings on pumps, removing small amounts of burrs so the crank and bearings could survive longer in the splash lubed environment.
Excellent result from your work David.
Thank you for sharing!
True...Babbitt is kind of amazing stuff really....Dave
Now this is an amazing shop.
quit fine workmanship Dave.You'd be "The Pride of the Fleet"Back in the day at Pearl.I wish I had those skills, every one of your videos is a gem I think my Dad would be impressed.He was a machinist during the war at the Brooklyn Navy Yard.Thanks for sharing Dave
I love your vids. There is so much knowledge out there that is not being passed on to the younger generation.
Thanks Bob, I guess most educators don't think it is that important....Dave
Excellent video, very few young engineers will ever get the chance to do work like this. It is really good to get these skills filmed so later generations can refer back for these tips and details not normally found in books.
Thanks Stuart, but you know what...It is found in books. All you have to do is go on ebay and get a copy of "Modern Shop Practice" or similar manual about 1912. It will have everything from what a shop apprentice will learn on his first day to how to set up and bore a locomotive cylinder. ...Dave
Ya know Dave, there is something about "Fahrenheit 451" (The Book) that comes to my mind as I read your response. Hey! Let's send our books to Keith Rucker. LOL (He digititizes them) P.S. for the less read, 451 F is the temperature that paper ignites.
Mr. Richards I just found your channel and after watching just one episode I have to go back and watch all of them from the beginning . Thank you for such interesting material and also for keeping alost art alive .I love the shop too!
Dave, thanks again for your knowledge! I especially liked the facing of the bearings and scraping them in. I had always wondered how much precision and patience went into that process. Can't wait to see that old steam engine back together and running something again...
Hi Mark, Thanks for watching, More patience than precision, I think.....Dave
Thank you. My grandfather was somewhere in his 40's and a machinist for the railroad in 1945. Some of what you show is related to what he did. It's nice to see how he did it.
Thanks Paul, Railroad shops were amazing...still are....Dave
the thread dial AND the crank are absolutely great
Thanks Ted, gotta fairly big gear job coming up next......Dave
think same vintage as you Wish i was closer Have a real love of old machinery Well done keep these videos going
Beautiful work Dave.
Watching your videos makes me want to make my shop steam powered. It really is something else. Coming from the generation of instant gratification it's not common at all to see anything like you do. Now I just have to buy Some machines and a boiler and everything else and build a shop for it. Keep up the videos, they're very intriguing.
You gotta start someplace...Dave
What a great video showing enormous patience and attention to detail to get the outstanding results! Congratulations.
HI Dan, I was a little worried about getting the bearings right, glad it's out of the way....Dave
Thanks for another eagerly waited video, David, learning so much.
Thanks for the comment, glad you find it useful....Dave
nice gig on the bearing saddle setup, gotta love the experience one brings to the snap gage acumen, and thanks for the walk-around showing off your sweet little G&L. tooling up on the babbit faces shows the details remain necessary no matter the environment. good show my friend. really appreciate the direction for high quality turpentine.
Thanks for the interest Scott. Turpentine: a thousand uses....Dave
Great information on the making of a threading gage, thanks Dave!!!
Some great content in this video Dave. Liked the boring mill work. I have fitted quite a few babbit bearings in my time and its always a slow process. Now any one without a thread dial for the S/B and its clones can make one them selves by copying your excellent project. Thanks for sharing. regards from the UK
Tom made great use of it this week and reported that it works fine....Dave
As always Dave you craft is spot on , i continue to enjoy your videos and the from scratch parts being built, keep on cutting.
Always a pleasure watching your videos
love your videos i am a machinist by trade been in the business for 25 years now and seen alot of change its great to see the way it was done way back when its also really cool to see how many techniques have remained the same that we still use today thanks for all the work you do to share these videos with us
Thanks Chris and a salute to all "manual" machinists.....Dave
Every time I watch one of these videos there's a moment when I am just floored and go "this guy" in awe. Man I would love to come visit some time.
bright safety orange should look quite nice with all the free amputee apparatus spinning around . lol
nice to see the fine work is still done with a pencil and paper too . Be safe and keep it in vice .
If i had a shop like this, I would stand all day blowing that whistle. Love it!
Back in 1925, would that boring job have been done on a machine similar to the 1885 milling machine you have? Great work Dave! I love these videos.
Always a pleasure to see you work the old machines. Thanks for sharing.
38:42. Don't ya just love it when things work the way there supposed to.
Tnx and keep up the good work.
Nice!!
Dave, you and Tom done a beautiful job on that thread gage. Looks like you and the boring machine work well togeather.
Thanks John, I came up with the idea, Tom made it happen....Dave
Fantastic work David. Loving every video
David i really enjoy your workmanship its awesome.
Real old school.
All the best Tam Edinburgh
Good to hear from you over there...Dave
Very very cool love the old machines
It's a wonderful experience for me to watch you solving machining problems in the real way; with your brain. It takes me back to when I was trained to use a Lathe and a Shaper by Mr. Colt, ( a direct descendant of the Colt Revolver family !), in 1960. I'm sure you're just using those grade five bolts for fit up on the counterweights; as you know you'll want grade 8 bolts to actually hold them on there. You're a real Machinist; Dave; and a kind of a soul brother for me. I'm filled with delight and envy at your "baby" horizontal boring machine. I have a wonderful 17" LeBlonde Lathe; the best in the world; but I can't "stand up to my machine"; anymore. I'm 73 and have cancer; I won't be around for this coming Christmas. You carry on, Dave; keep showing these new people what you can accomplish by reading your manuals; taking your time and thinking. Most of them don't how to do anything but play computer games on their "CNC" machines; as you know. God bless you and keep you.
Make CERTAIN of keeping faith and belief in our Messiah, Saviour and King !
You WILL be well rewarded ! Bless you John.
Thanks for the comment John, I remember the machine tool lab in college had rows of 13" LeBlonds and I always wanted one. The Horizontal mill is a good machine but it has been thoroughly thrashed and abused. I've made a lot of tooling for it, fiddled around with it, and got most of it to work. God bless you also, hang in there.....Dave
That's a really nice threading dial. I'm jealous.
Hi Dave and glad to see you doing what you do best! Keep after it! Everything is wonderful!
Neat seeing that old G&L boring mill. I ran one of those the same size as yours back in the 60s. Ours developed a short in the controls. I got a good shock! Brought back good memories though. Finished my t&d apprenticeship in 1968.
Thanks Mike, From the comments I get, the amount of these small boring mills built were more than I thought. Nothing like 240 volts, 3 phase to wake you right up....Dave
David Richards You might be able to still have one made.
At 30:00 - Yeah, I was thinking that the bar looked a bit slender. Making those last few cuts the same size and feed lets you tune the spring (in everything - bar, tool, workpiece, carriage) so the final cut can be judged accurately. It proves that accurate work can be done on less-than-perfect machines (if you know what you are doing). Useful for those of us who are making do with these older (or new-but-lighter) machines. As always, an excellent video. Thank you.
Peter, When I was in college (a long time ago and far away) I applied for a job at a greasy little machine shop down town. The forman asked, "what kind a tolerance can YOU hold"? I was a little flustered and replied "how good is the machine". WRONG ANSWER, I ended up painting bent pipe conduit parts. ...Dave
Good teaching point even for old heads. Don't ever blame equipment.Blame yourself and be hard as heck if necessary.Military marksmanship taught the same way
I have two or three bottles of terpintine from Keith's museum in my shop. It is good medicine for cuts and punctures. Won't even get sore if you apply it right away. Prevents infection also. Also good for a lot of things in the shop.
Great episode and wonderful work. Enjoyed it all! Thanks Dave!
Jim
Well Dave - you've certainly excelled this time, both as an engineer and machinist, and also in making great videos. I'm sure those bearings will be much better than they were originally. Honestly one of the most intelligent and interesting videos I've seen.
Thanks Malc, well so far not many problems.....Dave
Dear Dave, Love what your doing! Your comment about the old GE Motor having class warms my heart. I have a Westinghouse motor with (I think) a 1913 patent date on the plate. It has a flat commutator for the start windings. It came with my 1925 Boice Crane 14" Snowflake" bandsaw that I bought from my high school arts & crafts teacher for $35.00 in 1970. It has been in service in my shop since. (BTW, my understanding is Tesla was with Westinghouse and Edison was with GE?) I posted the saw on OWWM, There is a bad picture of the motor there. Well, back to watching you line bore Babbit bearings!
Thanks for your work,
Doug
It was one of those guys, they didn't have much use for each other.....Dave
just got to say what a great piece of work you both did making the threading dial.very interesting ,thanks for showing it,really enjoyed it.
Adam, I always wondered why a lot of old lathes didn't have thread dial's. It was actually a fairly late invention (and probably patented) I've seen old machine shop manuals with no mention of using one to cut threads. They gave many other ways to "catch" the right thread on the lead screw. Thanks for the comment.....Dave
Thanks Dave for your reply,the whole history of the screw thread is very interesting,imagine the skill involved in cutting threads to fit on an ancient treadle wood lathe ,which is where it must have began.Thanks again for your really excellent channel.Martin.Im using my sons computer so am comming up with his name on youtube.
I always wonder what it was like for my grandfather when he began his career as a machinist in 1916. Seeing the ceiling mounted line shaft and individual flat belts powering individual machines in your set-up is probably a good example of what it was like for him.
Absolutely, That's the way all machinery was driven...Dave
Thank you! Just a great show to watch. Keep it up.
Excellent Work Dave
Thanks again Dave for sharing the dying art of real fitting and turning. Seeing old machines bringing old parts back to life in the manner that you do is a real buzz! Particularly enjoyed the bearing scraper - made me think of mine that are wrapped up in an oily rag in the shed. Great work mate. Look forward to your next video.
Jules: You are a real jewel to hear from, thanks......Dave
I love the sound the old 5 hp electric motor makes when it starts. It sounds like the noise out of an old Buck Rogers movie when they start up the "Death Ray Machine" Great videos. Thanks.
I believe GE would be an Edison not Tesla, but I could be wrong
Love the steam whistle/ horn !!!
Cool shot, showing the steam engine and the lathe in the same frame! Excellent video as always, thanks =)
I noticed that, too! Good composition, back here 09/22, once again. These videos never get old for me.
RL Buffalo, NY
Know I'm late to the video but this is Great Stuff !! ....Thx much for putting all this up.....
Observing this really helps me appreciate the work that just went in to rebuilding the engine of my 1926 Ford Model T coupe. My main bearings and cam bearings were pretty tired. My friend doing the work had to pour new babbit and bore everything back to spec. We found a nos aftermarket counterbalanced crankshaft called a sure Mike crank. Surface pitting required that it be turned .005 each side for a .010 undersize. Everything turns nice and smooth now. I'm bringing the rest of the engine components over in a couple weeks for final assembly. Keep up the excellent work. We need people like you with your knowledge out there to keep these old machines running.
Another great video, David. I really look forward to the next episode as soon as I watch the current one.
Thanks for taking the time to make these... good stuff.
That is a Fine piece of machining.
Man, I love this channel!
Thanks Kyle, glad you are along...Dave
excellent video once again David!
i can't get over how effortless the old GE motor operates, and how great the old machine sounds. great machining!!!
This is a great series and the sound of the old GE motor winding up is amazing.
Sounds like something from a "Buck Rogers" science fiction movie to me...Dave
Well no one has said it yet but I found this installment "Pretty Boring" Saw that you had posted when I checked my mail before I left for work and didn't have time to view it then> (Considered calling in for a late start) as always It is such a pleasure to sit watch you go about your work in a steady and methodological way,
Nice job on the threading dial I had to go down in the basement and move my old South Bend 10 one round on the dial ....yup 4 inches.
Yeah, boring is boring....Dave
I didn't get Uhe joke at first. Duhhhh
That´s one of amazing display of machining skills. Thumbs up and hat tipped for you, David.
awesome videos, love the detail that you show of how the old machines work.
An amazing casting job. Not many foundrys about these days that could pull that off for just a one-off casting.
Very true, and I keep asking Emanual if the 'boys" are learning his trade. I am always amazed at what they are doing with cast iron down there......Dave
'New old stock from 1905'. Might be a record. Thanks, great stuff as ever.
That electric motor sure looks like it could be original to that machine. The motor on my G&L is only a 15hp but it is about half a 55gal drum so they certainly made them big back then. Looks like yours is still in pretty good shape to be holding less then .001" over like 2ft. :-) A lot of hand fitting work on those old engines.
I finally got around to replacing the contactor on it, after listening to it buzz for 4 years....Dave
David Richards
David. As has been said that motor has some age to it . I did armature and stator winding as part of my apprenticeship for a couple of years , it was a matter of fact that when you rewound old motors dc one in particular that a 5 hp one had the very same as a 25hp , asking my mentor he said that when they were made and some one wanted a 10 hp motor the store man just stamped the required hp on it , but it bit the drawing office big time time had come to update the machine shop ( you think you have old stuff but some of these would make yours look young ,mind you this was over 50 years ago ) the powers that be looked at the motor name plates and ordered up a ac motor , note we told they of there error but no they knew best 😀 that was until they tried to use the machine it was NBG.😀
Your motor could be a continuous rated one make it 4 times the size then it would last
The big flat belt planer was a thing to see in use , as was the 18 foot HBM 's that were used in ww2 but were in use much later for boreing pipe moulds
Great vid as usual
Stuart
Westinghouse was Tesla's outfit. General electric was Edison's. Found your channel two days ago and haven't quit watching, love it! Keep up the great work.
Sorry, I get those two mixed up...Dave
No worries friend, I've learned more about steam driven line shaft machine tools in the last two days than I ever hoped to know... and there's thirteen some odd more hours of videos to watch. You've got a subscriber for life in me.
Love the thread dial. Robert, Northern Ireland
Thanks Robert, It just sort of "evolved"...Dave
Really liked this one. Our lathe is so old it doesnt have a thread gage either. To have one on it would make its use more worthwhile. Made 1910-1918 sometime in there. It doesnt have a quickchange gearbox on it it but we have all the gears.
There you go, make up a gear and build one. If you don't have a way to cut gears, you could lay it out with dividers and use a triangular file.
Bonjour David,
Always exciting, especially because I do not machine myself, I wait for the next video with impatience ;+)
Amicalement, Raphaël
Great video Dave and interesting, thanks mate John
Hello Dave, thank you for your beautiful videos. I like your music from the beginning. I like the topics and also your boiler , very simple and effective ....thnak again
Thanks Yogi, I enjoy putting the videos together...Dave
Tom does good work, too! The thread counter is just one example.
My friend Tom is an Electronics/ computer expert turned machinist in his second life, methodical and accurate within the limits of our old worn machinery....Dave
@@davidrichards5594 Well, you certainly have the "Steam Dream Team"! I'm getting a lot of enjoyment working my way through your videos. I hope to have a second life one day as well. Keep up the good work and I hope your place in Englewood fares well through hurricane Ian!
Very nice job. Really like that threading dial too. Thanks for all the work.
Hi Dave,
Watching you adjust your boring bar made me think of a Keith Fenner video he did about making a line boring bar. The video is " My go to bar, part one"
He uses a tool bit sleeve from MSC that is adjustable with an allen set screw.
I think they are listed in the MSC catalog as a "Low Carbon Steel Square Hole Tool Bit Sleeve".
Anyway, they look like they make size adjustment pretty straight forward.
Thanks for the videos. I'm really enjoying this series.
Jerry, I've seen them in the catalogs, but never took the time to get one when I need to get somthing done, you know how it is...Dave
David Richards
Oh I Know! I've got a bad procrastination problem.
I saw an add on late night TV that said they have a set of subliminal CD recordings, that are supposed to be able to help you get better, but I just haven't gotten around to ordering them yet.
Thanks for the great videos.
Great video. More please. Thank you.
G'day Dave, just stumbled across your channel a few days back, very impressive setup, and professional work. Well done!
Thanks, glad you are aboard....Dave
You're worth your weight in gold Tom
I finally understand how threading dial work. Thanks for the explaination. Great video as always!
Super video, very interesing job.
That old electric motor was made right down the road from me in Butler Pa which is in Western Pennsylvania about 30 miles north of Pittsburgh. Pullman Standard made railroad cars and there was a whole bunch of related factories around that made many of the other parts needed for the train industry. Butler also happens to be the birth place of the original Bantam Jeep and the Pullman Standard Co. and Bantam were actually side by side. Just thought you may be interested. Keep up the good work.
Very interesting Davis, I always just think of GE as being in Schnectady.....Dave
Had it been there original motor, it would have been made a little closer to home.
Great video, can't wait till the next one
Cool work your doing there in your shop .
JT Hay
The old Tool Maker
Fort Worth Texas
Thanks for the interest John...........Dave
Now you need a BABIT magnet to collect all those useful chips !! Lol...
Nice work with the thread dial.
Thanks to Tom on that....Dave
Nice job Dave, that old 5HP motor sounds great probably is delivering a full 5 horses unlike the motors today. That HBM looks like it still can do the job no problem.
Thanks Bill, it's a good old machine, but worn out and horribly abused...Dave
David Richards most of them are. Why pay to have it rebuilt when you can depend on your machinist to just keep working harder to make good parts?
Great video. There is a lot to learn from you and your presentation makes me feel like I'm in the shop with you. That motor produces a wonderful whine on start up. All electric motors should sound like that.
Hi mate. Thanks for that, always interesting.
Thanks again Marcel...Dave
Wonderful work David! I really enjoy the old school work and the tutoring lessons. Thank you for sharing it with us. Fred
thank you very much for the walk around of the G&L 25. I hope to be getting mine sometime soon. Great videos.
I have a southbend 9 junior also. A threading dial would be useful. I may make one similar to yours if I ever have enough free time.
Very cool stuff....keep it up!
Thanks for another video, I really like that frankenstein threading dial!
Dave
Very enjoyable video. I am very much looking forward to watching this engine return to life.
regards
vic
Me too, There are some difficulties coming up with it, like making up the missing slide valve and rod bearings (brasses)....Dave
DUDE I SO WANT TO BLOW THAT WHISTLE lol love your chan i really learn a bunch thanks !
dang near 12000 subs David!!!! whooda thunk it? your camera work is great. and I for one never get bored "pun intended" thanks for putting this out there.
Thanks Rob, hope you are one of the subs.....Dave
Great as always, I especially like the thread dial for the South Bend nice work! certainly in the style of what might have been there.
Forget all those hipsters who are only in it for fashion. You are the ultimate "steam punk"!!!
Ultra thanks for the awesome vids!
Yeah, LOL, but it's way better than most of the stuff they are into these days, I,m for it......Dave
Like the "quick change belt method" you have there. No levers or knobs to be bothered with!
Old timers changed pulleys "on the fly"...I'm not there yet....Dave
dave nice work.
Excellent work !! Every time you post a video, I can't wait for the next installment after watching it. I'll definitely be looking to you for information and inspiration once I get my shop set up. Thanks for posting these great videos !!!