I've found it's actually better to hold off on coating right away, get it square and let it dry, and THEN go back and "push" some mud through the holes to fill the voids. That way you can really push the mud through the bead into the void without moving the bead out of square.
I work for a franchise named patch masters, and getting into to all kinds of little jobs all the time can be tricky. You’re videos help out a lot! Thank you for doing what you do
I take too much time but I make sure I really pre load the corner so there is little to nil voids behind the corner. I'm sure you're aware and have your take on it. I just know that once i have the bead set and almost wiped I run my knife edge down each side to pop the air pockets. Certainly not required or possible with paper bead. When done I have the trimtex filled 8" out for max fill.
Used a bunch of TrimTex Beveled and Bullnose beads back in the Dark Ages of no TH-cam. Taping mud, whaat? I just nailed everything in place and box mudded it over. Zero problems in over twenty years and I can't say that about the steel and paper beads in my house. They definitely can take a beating.
Very interested to see a durability test on all those different corner beads. A 10 pound sledge hammer suspended on a chain 5 feet from verticle swung into each corner bead maybe?
Great video, as always! Just wish I'd had it a couple of months ago before going down the vinyl bead path for my external corners. One that was particularly affected by the bevel took 4 coats, but that's mainly down to my inexperience. Got there in the end and this video made me feel a bit better about it. Cheers!
It will be interesting to see your damage testing. I can see some simple jig that would fit around the corner and have a weight hanging from a string. Pulling the weight out from the corner and allowing it to swing into the bead would allow for repetition from one material to another. There are probably many other ways to do a test.
Thanks for your excellent lesson. Could you let us know what kinds of out corner n in corner bead for firerate dry wall as like expansion joint and control joint? Please let me know?
Couple thoughts, all outside and inside corners should never be done with the rolled edge. And for the bead setting you could use a scrap piece of bead on top and bottom of corner and make marks on both sides. Then check your marks with a laser once you have found the mark closest to the edge you snap a chaulk line and set it at that. And set your bead with an 1/8 " daylight on both sides and the bead will be perfectly buried, plumb and square. Also you should do a video about CertainTeed Aqua bead. You spray the bead with water and than set it, it's a cool product.
I'm getting ready to hang rock on a new room remodel and it has been suggested i look at vinyl bullnose bead for the window frames and corners as more durable and less likely to crack. have you covered the use of bullnose bead? i haven't seen it in the episodes i've browsed. Thanks
Never mind - I found your other video(s) on it. I had watched them a while back but couldn't find them when I looked for them today; I was looking for the product in the title. Cool story, I know. 😄 Cheers
Hello! Really like your videos! I’ve used the vinyl beads which require spray adhesive and even the occasional staple to initially install. Just curious what type of joint compound is suggested for each coat and what you used on this product. Thanks!
Excellent video series, and using the garage wall is brilliant ! Not sure is anyone asked this, could you give a rough comparison of cost of the beads please ? Thanks, Saanich For Canadians, I found this Trimtex at Lowes, it's not everywhere up here. It's $7.49 / 8' and $7.99 / 10 ft
Dou you have Knauf in Americas? Knauf has a really good vinyl bead called aquabead. It has water activated glue on the inside and is covered with paper on the outside. So easy to install and i have yet to chip them with mild boinks and ouchies. They are quite pricey though.
Fascinating...I'm farting around with my own house which has a couple badly done plastic beads and now I want to replace them with this. (They're all cracked)
@@vancouvercarpenter My wife wanted arched room openings , so I bought the kits from achwaysandceilings and then bullnose on them. It was brutal. I'm an amateur and it was weeks of work. Day after day trying to get the mud onto the corner part in a consistent manner. Ooog never again.. Love your channel. It's great and your personality is fun to watch!
S T when installing bullnose corner bead where the corners meet you need to take a razor blade and cut the 45 point out of it so the bullnose seats properly one of the biggest mistakes most people make is they leave the board short and the bullnose is not on the drywall it is a little bit more work cutting the point out of the 45 but the bullnose will seat properly you can spray glue or staple or mud it in I prefer mudding it in with a taping mud with glue keep the mud thick set your piece of bullnose and push the mud out and gently wipe the excess off let this dry before coating also I would go online to AllWall drywall tools for arches there's a preformed corner where the corners meet also there's a bullnose tool that when you mud the bullnose it cleans the excess mud on the round part of the bullnose and gives it a nice clean defined line also when installing the bullnose if the bullnose pops up or doesn't line up take a nail and tack pin itin place gently remove when dry it looks great when done hope this helps good luck
Needed something to do while my onewheel charges😆 Thanks Ben I presume it's okay to talk about one wheels on this channel since not skateboarding related 🤣 Nudge nudge ;-) As you get older man I think you would like it 😜🤙🏽 Anyways.. American TG Down in Bellingham Washington enjoying the sunshine and the day off. Wife's making the food for later and I'm surfing the sidewalks and watching TH-cam while the board charges in between👌🏽 Hope everyone is doing well
I prefer to use mud-set. It wasn’t something my supplier typically had in stock, I don’t even think they knew what it was. I don’t know how much stronger it is, but from what I’ve seen it’s definitely easier to fix when damaged. What’s become popular in my area, Pacific NW, is the No Coat bead and Aqua Bead. I would love to see a strength test with those.
I'm also in the PacNW doing some garage renos, and think I've had No Coat on my purchase list in the past, but now I'm considering the TrimTex Mud-set, but can't seem to find any suppliers. What are your thoughts/recommendations for a DIY'er who's concerned of quality finish and strength?
I asked it on the other video....what do you think about the rolled bead? It has metal in it with paper? The stuff I get is Sure Corner in a box. I've fixed a few half walls with it.
@@vancouvercarpenter yeah I've never used it on full walls, only like half wall repairs. So less than 4' So it's not bad with it being straight. I don't know about 8-10' or more runs. Would be curious if you did a demo on it.
I love it, trim text Marketing Group is now high-fiving each other saying hey 10 years later our investment paid off!😂 Also, I like those particular trim text beads, rarely use them, but in certain situations I really think they're the best solution..
what do you guys think about shooting a few staples into it so it becomes fully affixed... i've seen it attached that way too and it seemed very practical
@@vancouvercarpenter see, the way i see it is it SAVES time and effort... because so far i've been either putting screws in to fasten it which if you don't catch any meat is a new problem onto itself OR it is not really attached and you spend all this time moving it around getting it to look straight... i was on a job where guys would just shoot a few staples with a gun, it took 20 seconds and that thing is on there solid, not moving at all, spread your mud exactly the way you want without worrying you'll shift the corner or an edge will pop up still, no?
"Back when I was on drywall talk all the time." I'm assuming that's the name of a forum, otherwise you haven't left. Hell, you've unofficially renamed your channel with your intro.
As a black man 17 years in the trade, I am highly offended by the inherent and structural racism exemplified in this video. I wish you well but like all good Americans, but I am disappointed to continue seeing racial bigotry everywhere.
I've found it's actually better to hold off on coating right away, get it square and let it dry, and THEN go back and "push" some mud through the holes to fill the voids. That way you can really push the mud through the bead into the void without moving the bead out of square.
I appreciate the pace and clarity (speech, detail and camera views) of your presentation!
I love your videos. I am not hanging drywall or installing corner beads, but I love watching you do the work.
I work for a franchise named patch masters, and getting into to all kinds of little jobs all the time can be tricky. You’re videos help out a lot! Thank you for doing what you do
keep up the amazing work Ben you always do such an amazing job on your repairs and on your videos.
I think if you applied more mud to the wall before applying the corner bead it would decrease the amount of fill coats to finish it.
I’ve used the plastic beads a few times and they are okay, when I install metal corner bead I mesh tape half and half on the drywall and steel 👍👍
I do that with all concern beads.
I take too much time but I make sure I really pre load the corner so there is little to nil voids behind the corner. I'm sure you're aware and have your take on it. I just know that once i have the bead set and almost wiped I run my knife edge down each side to pop the air pockets. Certainly not required or possible with paper bead. When done I have the trimtex filled 8" out for max fill.
Used a bunch of TrimTex Beveled and Bullnose beads back in the Dark Ages of no TH-cam. Taping mud, whaat? I just nailed everything in place and box mudded it over. Zero problems in over twenty years and I can't say that about the steel and paper beads in my house. They definitely can take a beating.
Very interested to see a durability test on all those different corner beads. A 10 pound sledge hammer suspended on a chain 5 feet from verticle swung into each corner bead maybe?
I’m going to start a bit smaller. I don’t want to do something that will just guarantee all of them are destroyed.
Trim Tex ones I've used require the spray adhesive. So far I've never had an issue with them.
Great video, as always! Just wish I'd had it a couple of months ago before going down the vinyl bead path for my external corners. One that was particularly affected by the bevel took 4 coats, but that's mainly down to my inexperience. Got there in the end and this video made me feel a bit better about it. Cheers!
what are you guys calling "the bevel", I'm not sure exactly what you mean.
It will be interesting to see your damage testing. I can see some simple jig that would fit around the corner and have a weight hanging from a string. Pulling the weight out from the corner and allowing it to swing into the bead would allow for repetition from one material to another. There are probably many other ways to do a test.
That’s close to what I had in mind.
Thanks for your excellent lesson. Could you let us know what kinds of out corner n in corner bead for firerate dry wall as like expansion joint and control joint? Please let me know?
I was taught to only use this product with hot mug just like mesh tape. That stops the excessive shrinkage as well.
I use those corners for a bit and what i do i use thicker mud for setting in and finishing coat and 95% of the time cover in two coats
Couple thoughts, all outside and inside corners should never be done with the rolled edge. And for the bead setting you could use a scrap piece of bead on top and bottom of corner and make marks on both sides. Then check your marks with a laser once you have found the mark closest to the edge you snap a chaulk line and set it at that. And set your bead with an 1/8 " daylight on both sides and the bead will be perfectly buried, plumb and square. Also you should do a video about CertainTeed Aqua bead. You spray the bead with water and than set it, it's a cool product.
try pre-filling all the little holes. its time consuming but i find you get a better result
I'm getting ready to hang rock on a new room remodel and it has been suggested i look at vinyl bullnose bead for the window frames and corners as more durable and less likely to crack. have you covered the use of bullnose bead? i haven't seen it in the episodes i've browsed. Thanks
Hey Ben! Thoughts on Trim-Tex Tear Away L Bead? Just picked up some to trim out a vinyl shower insert.
Never mind - I found your other video(s) on it. I had watched them a while back but couldn't find them when I looked for them today; I was looking for the product in the title. Cool story, I know. 😄 Cheers
You're an excellent teacher. Earned the subscription
Hello! Really like your videos! I’ve used the vinyl beads which require spray adhesive and even the occasional staple to initially install. Just curious what type of joint compound is suggested for each coat and what you used on this product. Thanks!
Excellent video series, and using the garage wall is brilliant !
Not sure is anyone asked this, could you give a rough comparison of cost of the beads please ?
Thanks,
Saanich
For Canadians, I found this Trimtex at Lowes, it's not everywhere up here. It's $7.49 / 8' and $7.99 / 10 ft
Dou you have Knauf in Americas? Knauf has a really good vinyl bead called aquabead. It has water activated glue on the inside and is covered with paper on the outside. So easy to install and i have yet to chip them with mild boinks and ouchies. They are quite pricey though.
I’ve seen aqua beads. Never tried them though.
Have you considered trying the trimtex fast edge mud set bead? It’s kinda like no coat and coats similar to paper beads
why not use 45 min hot mud on the first install?
Hello! where to buy TrimTex product in Vancouver? Thank you.
Fascinating...I'm farting around with my own house which has a couple badly done plastic beads and now I want to replace them with this. (They're all cracked)
I wonder if a mud roller would work setting the bead
Probably.
I like to use 45 minute on bead for embedding and first fill so I don't have to fight the shrinkage
Could you do a video about bullnose bead? I tried this and it was brutal. Expert advice is most welcome
I’ve actually never had to install it. You almost never see it here.
@@vancouvercarpenter My wife wanted arched room openings , so I bought the kits from achwaysandceilings and then bullnose on them. It was brutal. I'm an amateur and it was weeks of work. Day after day trying to get the mud onto the corner part in a consistent manner. Ooog never again.. Love your channel. It's great and your personality is fun to watch!
S T when installing bullnose corner bead where the corners meet you need to take a razor blade and cut the 45 point out of it so the bullnose seats properly one of the biggest mistakes most people make is they leave the board short and the bullnose is not on the drywall it is a little bit more work cutting the point out of the 45 but the bullnose will seat properly you can spray glue or staple or mud it in I prefer mudding it in with a taping mud with glue keep the mud thick set your piece of bullnose and push the mud out and gently wipe the excess off let this dry before coating also I would go online to AllWall drywall tools for arches there's a preformed corner where the corners meet also there's a bullnose tool that when you mud the bullnose it cleans the excess mud on the round part of the bullnose and gives it a nice clean defined line also when installing the bullnose if the bullnose pops up or doesn't line up take a nail and tack pin itin place gently remove when dry it looks great when done hope this helps good luck
@@wayneriedel1644 Great post, thanks for commenting.
If you are not doing too much bull nose, a small damp sponge will help cleaning the round nose.
I enjoyed your video & commentary 👍🏾
Hey Ben I have a quick question if you have a moment. Cheers
Needed something to do while my onewheel charges😆
Thanks Ben
I presume it's okay to talk about one wheels on this channel since not skateboarding related 🤣
Nudge nudge ;-)
As you get older man I think you would like it 😜🤙🏽
Anyways.. American TG
Down in Bellingham Washington enjoying the sunshine and the day off.
Wife's making the food for later and I'm surfing the sidewalks and watching TH-cam while the board charges in between👌🏽
Hope everyone is doing well
I prefer to use mud-set. It wasn’t something my supplier typically had in stock, I don’t even think they knew what it was. I don’t know how much stronger it is, but from what I’ve seen it’s definitely easier to fix when damaged. What’s become popular in my area, Pacific NW, is the No Coat bead and Aqua Bead. I would love to see a strength test with those.
I'm also in the PacNW doing some garage renos, and think I've had No Coat on my purchase list in the past, but now I'm considering the TrimTex Mud-set, but can't seem to find any suppliers. What are your thoughts/recommendations for a DIY'er who's concerned of quality finish and strength?
I asked it on the other video....what do you think about the rolled bead? It has metal in it with paper? The stuff I get is Sure Corner in a box. I've fixed a few half walls with it.
It works in a pinch but I don’t think it winds up as straight quite as easily.
@@vancouvercarpenter yeah I've never used it on full walls, only like half wall repairs. So less than 4' So it's not bad with it being straight. I don't know about 8-10' or more runs. Would be curious if you did a demo on it.
the amount of fill coats and pockets from the holes is what puts me off using plastic beads. plus plastic just seems flimsy to me.
Awesome video, love to set my vynl bead with mud. 👍
What do you think of that mud set vinyl composite bead ClarkDietrich makes?
I haven’t seen or heard of it yet.
I love it, trim text Marketing Group is now high-fiving each other saying hey 10 years later our investment paid off!😂 Also, I like those particular trim text beads, rarely use them, but in certain situations I really think they're the best solution..
😂 yup. I would have used them since but my regular drywall supply never carried them.
An excellent video. Thank You!
what do you guys think about shooting a few staples into it so it becomes fully affixed... i've seen it attached that way too and it seemed very practical
Not worth the time and effort. The mud set are super strong.
@@vancouvercarpenter see, the way i see it is it SAVES time and effort... because so far i've been either putting screws in to fasten it which if you don't catch any meat is a new problem onto itself OR it is not really attached and you spend all this time moving it around getting it to look straight...
i was on a job where guys would just shoot a few staples with a gun, it took 20 seconds and that thing is on there solid, not moving at all, spread your mud exactly the way you want without worrying you'll shift the corner or an edge will pop up
still, no?
Does anyone know who sells them?
Pull to tsawwassen park soon 🙌
I should. It’s been a while.
"Back when I was on drywall talk all the time."
I'm assuming that's the name of a forum, otherwise you haven't left. Hell, you've unofficially renamed your channel with your intro.
Come on Ben😂😂
Out in the wild... lol 😆
I'm NOT painting the ceiling!! 😁
Do you like this mud-set corner bead better than Trim-tex's corner bead that you tried in this other video th-cam.com/video/Nb6orxbSbNE/w-d-xo.html ?
🙏👏👍💪
I find it amusing that even though its a, "garage wall," you still treat it like its a real job. Almost...
This is my real job😂
Um... I thought that was the whole point. 😉
As a black man 17 years in the trade, I am highly offended by the inherent and structural racism exemplified in this video. I wish you well but like all good Americans, but I am disappointed to continue seeing racial bigotry everywhere.
what are you talking about??
@@sbodolus all the vinyl is white. no black. I guess that's a problem.