I use the oval webasto timer, but not as a timer. If you take the back off and solder to the two pins on the board that connect to the flame (instant heat) button, then connect that up to any kind of relay like a remote control or SMS gate opener (which I use), then you can trigger the FBH remotely. I use a 12v GSM gate opener from amazon (about £30), made a simple cable with two wires, and now I text our discovery 30 minutes before we want to drive anywhere and never use the timer. You can also get even cheaper remote keyfobs, but as we park a fair distance from home that'd be no good for us. Nice and cheap and easy to do! If you search online there's diagrams showing where to solder to. P.s. love your videos, and only just fixed our FBH watching your other video as a guide :)
Thanks a bunch for diving into the diesel heater topic. Just watched it completely and skipped stock news for it. :P Diesel heaters are way more important!
Hi Vera & Christian, i recently bought a Remote kit from Bell Automotive in England as my glow plugs need replacing. The Bell Automotive remote gps tracker is much better and you can text your car to come on anytime and clear faults too.... love your videos guys .... Graeme
Hello Graeme, thanks for the hint. I will look it up. Sounds like it needs a SIM card? But likely good if the Discovery runs away when I leave the gate open.
I’m a Discovery 3 owner watching this in South Australia where fortunately our winters never get anywhere near as cold as yours thus our car is not fitted with this heating device. Reminds me to never take for granted our relatively mild winters, however the snow and ice seen looks beautiful. A very interesting and informative video and your team work shines through in all your videos, cheers👍🇦🇺
Thanks for the heads up! I will just fix my FBH and leave it alone. We're fortunate to keep the Disco in a warm garage, so it's always warm when we leave the house, but not elsewhere. Regarding Chinese heaters like the one Grizzly amd Bear use, I have quite a few friends using them, either for roof tents or for inside the cars. While camping last spring, I was sleeping heavily dressed and in 2 sleeping bags, while my friends slept in their shorts, including one in another D3. They seem to be very good.
Thanks Christian and Vera for another great video! I noticed you using the iCarsoft i930 OBD2 in previous ones, and last week I managed to buy a second hand one off eBay. Guess what the first thing I fixed with it was? That's right, the FBH! I found it had logged a fault (probably years ago) and had locked out. It was such a relief to see the clouds of smoke and steam coming from underneath a few minutes later! Having it working really helps the Disco to warm up faster in this current cold snap we're having in the UK.
Hello Simon, it was the same with ours years ago when we got it. The FBH was probably not running for years and once I reset the fault it worked. Best smoke ever.
Very interesting video. As about of FBH of my Discovery 3 - it still write a fault code (something as Flame deflector etc) in last 3 years. Times to time I'm erizing it and the heater works some time. Today, after erizing procedure, FBH starting work without any problems in -3*C. The car stays in a garage and I'm using it not every day - so it is not a problem.
@@Vera_and_Christian Hi folks, Thanks again for your very good and useful videos - and especially for these about of FBH servicing and use. After that I decided to take more intention for it and erased fault code and it begun works. The results were immediate - more comfort and better fuel consumpsion. In last winter condition thhe car burned about 10,2l/100km.Yesterday, whit functioning FBH I traveled to ski resort and back for 240 kms at -12 *C and the consumtion was 8.7l/100km !
Another great video which I enjoyed watching. I always use redex in my fuel year round and I find that I get very little smoke from my FBH and it always functions perfectly. I must say your little village looks really nice and I will try to drive through it one day when I am next over from the UK. Regards Peter
@@Vera_and_Christian it well turn off after 30 minutes or 75 degree's , which ever comes first even if you get in the car and drive. It doesn't need to be asleep to start it. It uses the follow me home headlight feature, the keyfob LR button has to be set up to turn the headlights on(mine was). Its been cold in the UK for the past 2 weeks and Doris doesn't like it but being able to start the fbh 30 minutes before starting her really helps warms the engine coolant up and the interior fans blow warm air helping defrost
Excellent and interesting video - thanks. But I noticed that your excellent spare wheel carrier is no longer on the back of the car - what happened to it???
Hi Christian I have made a gsm unit for my L322, I now just phone the gsm unit and it runs my fbh on a timer that I can set as I wish. So in the morning I just call the car before I leave the house...
The FBH with GSM on my Disco3 heats the cabin. Via the phone I can turn it on and off, set the time, the start and run time for heater and the same for the ventilation. Very handy when it’s -20. The only thing I use the oval timer thing for is to turn the heater off it is still running when I get into the car. Only downside of the FBH is that it locks up if the voltage drops and then you need to reset it by pulling the fuse in a slightly odd procedure.
Hi both, nice intro to what the webasto is. A quick tip: never use the FBH for less than 10 minutes, sooner or later it will be dirt and stop working. my FBH reset all the faults (except lockdown fault) once the car goes into "deep sleep" mode. Try it. ;-) The other option is, always turn off the cabin heater before you start the vehicle, this way you also avoid errors like low battery mode. ;-). Then aftee some minutes you turn the heater on again.
Just catching up on historic videos. My D3 has the BAS controller that is operated by the third button on key fob ( fob is programmed to turn on headlights. Turn on and off lights within 10 seconds to turn FBH on. Do it again and it turns it off. Stays on for 30 mins. ) Several years and still works.
Interesting I have been considering getting a similar system for my Defender as in winter I still have to work my anti social shifts leaving home at 4am or other shifts leaving work at 23.00hrs and last year at work it was measuring -16 degrees C for two nights on the trot. Seams I'd have to be setting my timer all the time to get the best starting conditions for my engine. I have seen one system that uses a phone app that may be simpler to operate as can be set remotely.
Ps just tested my aux heater and really happy that I don’t need to service it yet 😂, now that I understand how it is setup, as it looks like a lot of work.
I fitted same timer but cut the BUS wires so car does not control the FBH now now faults. I also added a remote controller relay to the Webasto (soldered on to button pins) now all you have to do is activate FBH when you put the coffee on. 30 mins later walm car, when you start car press flame again 😀
Grüss Gott, another subscriber here. I'm glad to say I don't have to do the same heater acrobatics as you guys - I have a Discovery 4..! Getting into a warm car on a cold morning is a real bonus - if I may direct you to another channel that has a diesel heater and remote then check out TH-camr - Simon, a Bloke in the Woods, or you may have done so already. He has a Defender with a different remote / timer device. He posted his video about it on 27th Jan 2021. Keep the videos coming - I really do enjoy watching them 👍🏻😁 Tschüss
Thanks for the tip, I am certainly going to check out this video👍. I actually just started to watch his channel for his campfire cooking and I am hooked. ( I can eat a steak for breakfast too). 🙋♀️ Vera
another great vid, ps I’m now the proud owner of disco 3 it has small isues but i love it. loose connection some were ie heaters are on then they turn on an off lol i tap the dash and fixes it also EGR valves need cleaning
Cool,I am happy for you 😃👍. Do you know your color? We replaced both EGR Valves and be sure to check wether you need to replace the oilpump befor it fails on you. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I don’t know actual colour name yet it’s black. It’s in garage atm getting electric issues fixed I’m no good with electric stuff lol so can’t enjoy properly yet. I’ll look in to the oil pump cheers
Good video and content as always. I’ve also been watching Grizzly and Bear for a couple years. Do you think you’ll eventually move over to a Discovery 4?
Not as long as our LR3 is working. I want to replace my Challenger this year if I find a buyer. I know what I will get then but I don’t want to spoiler it. Will be in a future video. Hopefully Vera does not spoiler it either 😬.
@@Vera_and_Christian good man! You need to keep that older LR3 so you can have projects to work on and keep that content coming! I always enjoy the videos.
Another Great video meany thanks, just one thing was Vera adjusting the radio in the video or dos she like touching your leg when you are out driving together ?, watch the video you will see what I mean THANKS AGAIN.
😃 I was actually turning the volume on the radio down. We have had complains from youtube in the past and had to take out that section of video because of copyright issues of the music playing. 🙋♀️ Vera
If you use the altox system that is app based via phone and can also be used to warm the cabin prior to u getting in and also can be used when camping/sleeping inside😁😉
Die meisten Discovery 3 und 4 sowie Range Rover Sport verfügen über eine Webasto Thermotop V-Motorheizung. Dies wird nur während der Fahrt verwendet und wird vom Temperaturbedienfeld bei Außentemperaturen von +5 und niedriger gesteuert. Moderne Dieselmotoren sind sehr effizient und haben bei minus Grad keine überschüssige Restwärme. In einem typisch norwegischen Winter kann es schwierig sein, die Kabine warm zu halten. Webasto hilft auch dabei, die Motortemperatur stabil zu halten, was zu einer besseren Verbrennung führt. Ursprünglich waren alle Discovery 3 und Range Rover Sport im Jahr 2005 mit Webasto als Standheizung ausgestattet, mit der Sie die Start- und Stoppzeit ähnlich wie bei Discovery 4 und dem neueren Range Rover Sport selbst programmieren konnten. Mit Hilfe der Schaltfläche "i" konnte Webasto programmiert werden. Dies verursachte Probleme für Land Rover: 2005 waren die Menschen nicht an eine Dieselheizung gewöhnt. Rauch und der Geruch ließen die Leute denken, dass das Auto Feuer gefangen hatte Nach drei Startversuchen mit wenig Diesel im Tank sperrte sich Webasto für die Wiederverwendung, was bedeutete, dass Land Rover-Werkstätten diesen Fehler ständig löschen mussten. Land Rover beseitigte alle Beschwerden und Probleme und programmierte die gesamte Webasto-Steuerung über ein Firmware-Update, das der Händler 2006 und in der Produktionslinie in Sollihull durchgeführt hatte. Dadurch wurde die Funktion "Zeitgesteuerte Klimatisierung" entfernt. Mit einer unserer Webasto-Fernbedienungen haben Sie jetzt die Möglichkeit, Webasto wieder als Standheizung zu verwenden und sowohl einen warmen Motor als auch einen Fahrgastraum zu erhalten. Dafür nutzen wir den eigenen CAN-Bus. Die Installation ist nur erforderlich, um Altoxen mit +12 V und GND (Erde), einem Kabel zu Pin 2 der Webasto-Heizung und einem Kabel zum Aufwecken des CAN-Busses zu versorgen. Wenn Sie morgens ein warmes Auto benötigen, sollten Sie die Nacht im Auto verbringen und an einem kalten Tag / in einer kalten Nacht Tiere im Auto haben. Dies ist die Lösung für Sie. Die Montage dauert ca. 2-3 Stunden und unter norwegischer Anleitung ist dies eine einfache Aufgabe, sich selbst zu erledigen. CAN-Modul: - Startet den Dialog zwischen Webasto und der Heizung über CAN. - Warmes Fach; CAN-gesteuerte Heizung, bei der der Fahrgastraumlüfter für einen warmen Fahrgastraum sorgt und Luftklappen den Luftstrom optimal verteilen - Wird mit dem ALTOX Wbus-5-Modul verwendet. Das Altox-Modul weckt zuerst den CAN-Bus des Fahrzeugs über dieses CAN-Modul, das den Dialog zwischen Webasto und der Heizung startet. Dies bedeutet, dass der Fahrgastraumlüfter und die Luftklappe vollautomatisch arbeiten. Dann startet Webasto.
Yes, I believe it's to be 8 degrees Celcius and below that the diesel heater will only start. Or in that range. So when people buy their Discoverys in the summer time, the diesel heater will not start and that is automatically translated to "it doesn't work" 🙄That is not true. 🙋♀️Vera
Hello, there is possibility to steering that Webasto on that way for example plug in Webasto 1533 steering box, but my question is how we could make steering of inside vent without starting the engine?
Nice one Christian, my Webasto is not working, on cold days when I start it it always sounds like that rough start of yours, it only takes a few seconds for it to run smoothly, but I don't think it's healthy for the engine..
Perhaps sorry for the dumb comment, but ignoring any modification you made what was the original functionality intended by LR? Do you set the preheat time inside the car before going to bed? I thought I also saw somewhere this heater fires up when the engine is operating in low load and low temperature conditions? The remote Webasco thingy I guess is all aftermarket?
All winter I have been cold starting my d3 in down to -32 degrees celcius. (Norway) Although it handels it really well, I have just fitted an Altox module so I can preheat the engine. Really looking forward to not breaking my heart every time I start my discovey in wintertime. Love the content. Keep it up! Edit: Btw I had the same fault as you even on a cold fbh. After I changed the fire chamber it runs perfect every time. Maybe when my Altox is connected the foult will appear again?
We are going to cover more fbh topic in the fall. We actually wanted to get into it more, but then spring came and it got warm again. We unfortunately drifted off to other content. We will look more into the Altox module then, a viewer send us great information. 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
I have ThermoCall 3 hooked up to it and it is the best thing ever Edit: it doesn't need to be sleeping and it can go for upto 999 minutes (not that you would ever want that)
OK Then my Disco 3 is a Unicorn i have fitted the Webasto Watch with the big Remote T100, both trown in the ABS Compartment. You can start the FBH and it will also run the Fan in the Cabin for 30 Minutes. But to activate it you have to wake the Car up, means you unlock, press the on Button on the T100 and let the Car do its Thing. The Disco will later lock itself and when the 30 Minutes are over you can start the Engine and have a seat in a nice prewarmed Car even at -22 degrees. And most important it throws no fault Codes
Christian, Question: would a Land Rover series 90 or 110 start in these temperatures, or a Discover TDi 200 or 300? All they needed was glow plugs? I don't have the answers but because the series 3 TDi is so lean burn and economical that it needed all this technology to start - remember all those old Mercedes Diesel engines from the 60's in Russia cold starting every day??
if the cars not reaching temp just go old school on it and put something over the front grill until the weather warms up ... trucks have been doing this for years
I changed my fbh last night for a D4 one all I did as per instruction change the pcb and it works really well far superior than the old d3 fbh.. newer better updated unit from the breakers yard £90 1 hour later all done very happy 😊
I have the remote controller for my FBH which states it won't work with the D4 FBH. I'm guessing it will if I change the PCB board over. Does the board need soldering?
@@powervolt748 no nothing needs soldering on a D4 fbh or d3, the pcb board is we’re the 3 plugs plug into the fbh (same as d3 one), remove fbh strip down very easy then pop the cover off we’re the 3 plugs plug into the unit you will see 4 screws undo them remove slowly and the pcb board lifts out. Do the same on a d3 fbh and put the d3 pcb board into the D4 fbh one re assemble then put the D4 fbh into the d3. I got a remote for the fbh as well running off the 3rd button on the key and all works well. Just put the d3 pcb into the D4 fbh and re fit that’s it very easy.
Lr-fbh.co.uk, his controllers work using the land rover button on the key fob to start the heater. It does not effect the automatic starting of the fbh.
GSM remote, Is that the Altox? with the ipcu module to let you heat up the cabin that is made in Russia? I do have a remote from Bell Autoservice in the Uk. I dont think he sells em any more. on the disco3.co.uk forum, there is a user called Alex Perscalu, he has posted a DiY sollution to start / Stop the webasto using the LR button on your remote. Worth have a look for a good read....
So check out this video. All parts are linked in the video description. th-cam.com/video/S9yaVGebTBk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Yltf7uoYG-rd8jjy It needs to have the module. If it doesn't start at all, under the correct circumstances ( it won't start when it is warm), read out any faults and check the disco3.co.uk website for further help. 👍🙋♀️
Jeez that's complicated. How about you get in the car & start it before the heater turns off? I can't programme my DH but at 7c or lower it turns & starts blowing warm in a few minutes. Luckily its not too smelly or smokey. 👍
Well, our FBH detects a premature flame, because it's still hot, and won't start automatically again. And is going to log a fault for sure 😄. But the car is of course warm when we start it, but our FBH won't start again. 🙋♀️ Vera
The factory CAN-bus heaters are kinda junk IMO. I have 2014 Sprinter which has factory installed double Eberspächer heaters. In my opinion they're kinda useless if you want to preheat the car because they have limited running time and limited start counter. So if it's only a little freezing, the heater can be started only 6 times and 20min per time. Then you have to drive the car at least 15 or 20 minutes and then the counter will reset. IF i sometime drive it only short distances the counter won't reset and now you can't preheat the car. I live in Finland so it gets really cold in winter here. -20-30C. I solved the problem by installing universal Webasto Thermotop Evo heater. It runs as long as i want and as many times as needed. Of course i have external charger installed also so the battery won't drain too much.
@@Vera_and_Christian Oh yes, they’re quite common cars here! Which is surprising because Finns are known to be Toyota people. And i hate Toyota 😉 My neighbour has one LR also.
It is a diesel thing for sure, and only in the northern countries, where it gets cold. But seeing the weather map of the US, almost every diesel owner is going to need one at the moment😨. Stay safe 👍🙋♀️ Vera
With some additional work and money, the cabin fans can be turned on as well. Disco3.co.uk has the information about it. I would add a Webasto Air Top or Eberspacher D2 to the trunk and heat the cabin up.
Hi, as always a very informative video and thks so much for taking the time to make it, particularly in the freezing cold as well , hope this useless info may be helpful to u and doesn’t come across rude or trying to teach u how to suck eggs, have included a link for u and if u scroll down it shows the shut down periods model dependant www.disco4.com/forum/post1366423.html, thks so much once again and always really enjoy ur videos , stay safe
the fault your having is because you need a new glow plug! this is what we do, replace the burner with a new plug and it will check the plug and heat your engine. this happens when the plug is getting to the end of its life, a new plug ohms is 0.25 and an old plug is 0.4 ohms. ant higher and the webasto will stop altogether. sounds like your "nursing it" through. new plug and burner
Initially I thought it was a device such as this th-cam.com/video/1vOIOX6_HGg/w-d-xo.html Retrofitted. I wonder if there is room at the rear area of the LR3 to fit something similar to fully heat the interior. Perhaps only useful for overnight trips away, in order to provide heat during family sleeping times.
Yeah we bought one of those diesel heaters and wanted to mount them on the outside of the Discovery in an alubox (on our airlinerail). But Christian bought the 5KW one and thought it was too much. So we sent it back🙄 intending to buy a 2KW one. Then it got warmer and we forgot about it. Now it's May and freezing cold and I wish we would have kept the 5KW one 😅. I'll have to wait until end of summer for such an upgrade. 🙋♀️ Vera
Hi Christian, did you try to push the "flame" button on yhe oval timer after few minutes of driving in order to light up the FBH again? If you wanna check what a cold start sounds at -21 see this: th-cam.com/video/b08BbPkvVXQ/w-d-xo.html
More from the wife ! She is funny!!
Love you guys Rob 🏴
I use the oval webasto timer, but not as a timer. If you take the back off and solder to the two pins on the board that connect to the flame (instant heat) button, then connect that up to any kind of relay like a remote control or SMS gate opener (which I use), then you can trigger the FBH remotely.
I use a 12v GSM gate opener from amazon (about £30), made a simple cable with two wires, and now I text our discovery 30 minutes before we want to drive anywhere and never use the timer.
You can also get even cheaper remote keyfobs, but as we park a fair distance from home that'd be no good for us.
Nice and cheap and easy to do! If you search online there's diagrams showing where to solder to.
P.s. love your videos, and only just fixed our FBH watching your other video as a guide :)
Thanks for the info, we are going to look into that. I am happy that you like our videos. 🙋♀️ Vera
I loved it all! I do miss snowy winters! Honestly, Los Angeles, Auckland, Fiji, and Now Dubai, its been 28 years since I lived with snow!
That is tough, I could not stand hot weather all year around 😎🙋♀️ Vera
Thanks a bunch for diving into the diesel heater topic. Just watched it completely and skipped stock news for it. :P Diesel heaters are way more important!
😂👍 🙋♀️Vera
Hi Vera & Christian, i recently bought a Remote kit from Bell Automotive in England as my glow plugs need replacing. The Bell Automotive remote gps tracker is much better and you can text your car to come on anytime and clear faults too.... love your videos guys .... Graeme
Hello Graeme, thanks for the hint. I will look it up. Sounds like it needs a SIM card? But likely good if the Discovery runs away when I leave the gate open.
I’m a Discovery 3 owner watching this in South Australia where fortunately our winters never get anywhere near as cold as yours thus our car is not fitted with this heating device. Reminds me to never take for granted our relatively mild winters, however the snow and ice seen looks beautiful. A very interesting and informative video and your team work shines through in all your videos, cheers👍🇦🇺
Thanks 😊, you probably need ventilated seats instead 😉.🙋♀️ Vera
Thanks for the heads up! I will just fix my FBH and leave it alone. We're fortunate to keep the Disco in a warm garage, so it's always warm when we leave the house, but not elsewhere.
Regarding Chinese heaters like the one Grizzly amd Bear use, I have quite a few friends using them, either for roof tents or for inside the cars. While camping last spring, I was sleeping heavily dressed and in 2 sleeping bags, while my friends slept in their shorts, including one in another D3. They seem to be very good.
Hi Alex, are you living in Romania? Is there an LR3 RO forum? I have one too and I get the height error, locks the suspension in normal mode.
@@Robert-uq3wc I don't know what's happening. My initial reply disappeared. If you're on Facebook, join the "LR Discovery 3/4 (L319) Romania" group.
Thanks Christian and Vera for another great video! I noticed you using the iCarsoft i930 OBD2 in previous ones, and last week I managed to buy a second hand one off eBay. Guess what the first thing I fixed with it was? That's right, the FBH! I found it had logged a fault (probably years ago) and had locked out. It was such a relief to see the clouds of smoke and steam coming from underneath a few minutes later! Having it working really helps the Disco to warm up faster in this current cold snap we're having in the UK.
Hello Simon, it was the same with ours years ago when we got it. The FBH was probably not running for years and once I reset the fault it worked. Best smoke ever.
Very interesting video. As about of FBH of my Discovery 3 - it still write a fault code (something as Flame deflector etc) in last 3 years. Times to time I'm erizing it and the heater works some time. Today, after erizing procedure, FBH starting work without any problems in -3*C. The car stays in a garage and I'm using it not every day - so it is not a problem.
Good. A garage is the best fix. 👍
@@Vera_and_Christian Hi folks, Thanks again for your very good and useful videos - and especially for these about of FBH servicing and use. After that I decided to take more intention for it and erased fault code and it begun works. The results were immediate - more comfort and better fuel consumpsion. In last winter condition thhe car burned about 10,2l/100km.Yesterday, whit functioning FBH I traveled to ski resort and back for 240 kms at -12 *C and the consumtion was 8.7l/100km !
@@d.h.h.2436 That's great 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Another great video which I enjoyed watching. I always use redex in my fuel year round and I find that I get very little smoke from my FBH and it always functions perfectly. I must say your little village looks really nice and I will try to drive through it one day when I am next over from the UK.
Regards Peter
Hello Peter, I hope you are able to travel soon again. Let me know when you come through. You are most welcome in our house. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Good afternoon Vera, thank you very much and it would be great to meet up with you both when we are all allowed to travel again.
Another top movie. A hug from Portugal. :)
Thanks Mario, glad you like our videos. 🙋♀️ Vera
Of course I like. They are very useful, and very fun. Congratulations
I've just fitted a control module that uses the land rover button on the key fob, works really well.
I have a video on fitting it
Thanks, good video. Does the FBH turn off when you get in the car and does it need to be asleep to start it? It looks like a good device. Thanks.
@@Vera_and_Christian it well turn off after 30 minutes or 75 degree's , which ever comes first even if you get in the car and drive. It doesn't need to be asleep to start it. It uses the follow me home headlight feature, the keyfob LR button has to be set up to turn the headlights on(mine was). Its been cold in the UK for the past 2 weeks and Doris doesn't like it but being able to start the fbh 30 minutes before starting her really helps warms the engine coolant up and the interior fans blow warm air helping defrost
Excellent and interesting video - thanks. But I noticed that your excellent spare wheel carrier is no longer on the back of the car - what happened to it???
Hello John, it’s quick removable and we keep it off when not traveling. Indeed, we did not want to challenge the TÜV inspector.
Hi Christian I have made a gsm unit for my L322, I now just phone the gsm unit and it runs my fbh on a timer that I can set as I wish. So in the morning I just call the car before I leave the house...
Wow, this is cool. It gets scary if your car answers and tells you that it wants better fuel...
So informative and yet funny with it 👍👍 Vera trying to speak had me laughing too 👍👍
😂🙋♀️ Vera
The FBH with GSM on my Disco3 heats the cabin. Via the phone I can turn it on and off, set the time, the start and run time for heater and the same for the ventilation. Very handy when it’s -20. The only thing I use the oval timer thing for is to turn the heater off it is still running when I get into the car. Only downside of the FBH is that it locks up if the voltage drops and then you need to reset it by pulling the fuse in a slightly odd procedure.
Sounds like a good system really. 👍
Hi both, nice intro to what the webasto is. A quick tip: never use the FBH for less than 10 minutes, sooner or later it will be dirt and stop working.
my FBH reset all the faults (except lockdown fault) once the car goes into "deep sleep" mode. Try it. ;-)
The other option is, always turn off the cabin heater before you start the vehicle, this way you also avoid errors like low battery mode. ;-). Then aftee some minutes you turn the heater on again.
We always wait the full 30 minutes. Never thought about the cabin heater, thanks for the tip. 🙋♀️ Vera
Enjoyed it again! :)
You need to fix the rear door locking. It doesn't lock properly. Typically D3. (been there, seen it, bought the T-shirt!).
Yes, when the weather gets warmer we’ll do our general maintenance. The doors need work, Vera’s Freelancer needs a new rear window lift (3rd). 😬
Just catching up on historic videos. My D3 has the BAS controller that is operated by the third button on key fob ( fob is programmed to turn on headlights. Turn on and off lights within 10 seconds to turn FBH on. Do it again and it turns it off. Stays on for 30 mins. )
Several years and still works.
Interesting I have been considering getting a similar system for my Defender as in winter I still have to work my anti social shifts leaving home at 4am or other shifts leaving work at 23.00hrs and last year at work it was measuring -16 degrees C for two nights on the trot.
Seams I'd have to be setting my timer all the time to get the best starting conditions for my engine. I have seen one system that uses a phone app that may be simpler to operate as can be set remotely.
Love your videos! Informative and entertaining.
Thanks 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
Very good analysis
Nice video folks. Amusing and informative 😎
Ps just tested my aux heater and really happy that I don’t need to service it yet 😂, now that I understand how it is setup, as it looks like a lot of work.
😅👍 You are not the only one. 🙋♀️
WEBASTO heater can heat the cab if set properly, in trucks and boats works great..
I fitted same timer but cut the BUS wires so car does not control the FBH now now faults. I also added a remote controller relay to the Webasto (soldered on to button pins) now all you have to do is activate FBH when you put the coffee on. 30 mins later walm car, when you start car press flame again 😀
How this summer is going, I probably need this sooner than I want to admit. 🥶😃🙋♀️ Vera
Try looking at the night heaters that the trucks have they run while the engine off
I remember those when living in Michigan😃 🙋♀️ Vera
Grüss Gott, another subscriber here. I'm glad to say I don't have to do the same heater acrobatics as you guys - I have a Discovery 4..! Getting into a warm car on a cold morning is a real bonus - if I may direct you to another channel that has a diesel heater and remote then check out TH-camr - Simon, a Bloke in the Woods, or you may have done so already. He has a Defender with a different remote / timer device. He posted his video about it on 27th Jan 2021. Keep the videos coming - I really do enjoy watching them 👍🏻😁 Tschüss
Thanks for the tip, I am certainly going to check out this video👍. I actually just started to watch his channel for his campfire cooking and I am hooked. ( I can eat a steak for breakfast too). 🙋♀️ Vera
Excellent thank you.
😃 Thanks, appreciate your comment. 🙋♀️ Vera
another great vid, ps I’m now the proud owner of disco 3 it has small isues but i love it. loose connection some were ie heaters are on then they turn on an off lol i tap the dash and fixes it also EGR valves need cleaning
Cool,I am happy for you 😃👍. Do you know your color? We replaced both EGR Valves and be sure to check wether you need to replace the oilpump befor it fails on you. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I don’t know actual colour name yet it’s black. It’s in garage atm getting electric issues fixed I’m no good with electric stuff lol so can’t enjoy properly yet. I’ll look in to the oil pump cheers
Good video and content as always. I’ve also been watching Grizzly and Bear for a couple years. Do you think you’ll eventually move over to a Discovery 4?
Not as long as our LR3 is working. I want to replace my Challenger this year if I find a buyer. I know what I will get then but I don’t want to spoiler it. Will be in a future video. Hopefully Vera does not spoiler it either 😬.
@@Vera_and_Christian good man! You need to keep that older LR3 so you can have projects to work on and keep that content coming! I always enjoy the videos.
Another Great video meany thanks, just one thing was Vera adjusting the radio in the video or dos she like touching your leg when you are out driving together ?, watch the video you will see what I mean THANKS AGAIN.
😃 I was actually turning the volume on the radio down. We have had complains from youtube in the past and had to take out that section of video because of copyright issues of the music playing. 🙋♀️ Vera
Thank you😎
If you use the altox system that is app based via phone and can also be used to warm the cabin prior to u getting in and also can be used when camping/sleeping inside😁😉
Thanks for the tip, we are going to look into it. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Die meisten Discovery 3 und 4 sowie Range Rover Sport verfügen über eine Webasto Thermotop V-Motorheizung. Dies wird nur während der Fahrt verwendet und wird vom Temperaturbedienfeld bei Außentemperaturen von +5 und niedriger gesteuert. Moderne Dieselmotoren sind sehr effizient und haben bei minus Grad keine überschüssige Restwärme. In einem typisch norwegischen Winter kann es schwierig sein, die Kabine warm zu halten. Webasto hilft auch dabei, die Motortemperatur stabil zu halten, was zu einer besseren Verbrennung führt.
Ursprünglich waren alle Discovery 3 und Range Rover Sport im Jahr 2005 mit Webasto als Standheizung ausgestattet, mit der Sie die Start- und Stoppzeit ähnlich wie bei Discovery 4 und dem neueren Range Rover Sport selbst programmieren konnten. Mit Hilfe der Schaltfläche "i" konnte Webasto programmiert werden. Dies verursachte Probleme für Land Rover:
2005 waren die Menschen nicht an eine Dieselheizung gewöhnt.
Rauch und der Geruch ließen die Leute denken, dass das Auto Feuer gefangen hatte
Nach drei Startversuchen mit wenig Diesel im Tank sperrte sich Webasto für die Wiederverwendung, was bedeutete, dass Land Rover-Werkstätten diesen Fehler ständig löschen mussten.
Land Rover beseitigte alle Beschwerden und Probleme und programmierte die gesamte Webasto-Steuerung über ein Firmware-Update, das der Händler 2006 und in der Produktionslinie in Sollihull durchgeführt hatte. Dadurch wurde die Funktion "Zeitgesteuerte Klimatisierung" entfernt.
Mit einer unserer Webasto-Fernbedienungen haben Sie jetzt die Möglichkeit, Webasto wieder als Standheizung zu verwenden und sowohl einen warmen Motor als auch einen Fahrgastraum zu erhalten. Dafür nutzen wir den eigenen CAN-Bus. Die Installation ist nur erforderlich, um Altoxen mit +12 V und GND (Erde), einem Kabel zu Pin 2 der Webasto-Heizung und einem Kabel zum Aufwecken des CAN-Busses zu versorgen.
Wenn Sie morgens ein warmes Auto benötigen, sollten Sie die Nacht im Auto verbringen und an einem kalten Tag / in einer kalten Nacht Tiere im Auto haben. Dies ist die Lösung für Sie. Die Montage dauert ca. 2-3 Stunden und unter norwegischer Anleitung ist dies eine einfache Aufgabe, sich selbst zu erledigen.
CAN-Modul:
- Startet den Dialog zwischen Webasto und der Heizung über CAN.
- Warmes Fach; CAN-gesteuerte Heizung, bei der der Fahrgastraumlüfter für einen warmen Fahrgastraum sorgt und Luftklappen den Luftstrom optimal verteilen
- Wird mit dem ALTOX Wbus-5-Modul verwendet.
Das Altox-Modul weckt zuerst den CAN-Bus des Fahrzeugs über dieses CAN-Modul, das den Dialog zwischen Webasto und der Heizung startet. Dies bedeutet, dass der Fahrgastraumlüfter und die Luftklappe vollautomatisch arbeiten. Dann startet Webasto.
How do you program original one for every morning?
Is there a minumum tempature threshold before it will work?
Yes, I believe it's to be 8 degrees Celcius and below that the diesel heater will only start. Or in that range. So when people buy their Discoverys in the summer time, the diesel heater will not start and that is automatically translated to "it doesn't work" 🙄That is not true. 🙋♀️Vera
Hello, there is possibility to steering that Webasto on that way for example plug in Webasto 1533 steering box, but my question is how we could make steering of inside vent without starting the engine?
You need to buy a Altox unit. Christian
Nice one Christian, my Webasto is not working, on cold days when I start it it always sounds like that rough start of yours, it only takes a few seconds for it to run smoothly, but I don't think it's healthy for the engine..
My FBH is the same. So - I'm erasing times to time the fault code and it works.
There is GSM remote for FBH...
My P38 would love a FBH.
Is there a reason it couldn't be unplugged from the vehicle altogether and setup as a standalone installation with a new harness from webasto?
Perhaps sorry for the dumb comment, but ignoring any modification you made what was the original functionality intended by LR? Do you set the preheat time inside the car before going to bed? I thought I also saw somewhere this heater fires up when the engine is operating in low load and low temperature conditions? The remote Webasco thingy I guess is all aftermarket?
It’s purely for heating the engine in cold weather to run more efficiently. It’s useless for preheating the cab. Christian
Would you consider the Canadian solution and use an electric engine block heater for winter starting?
If we would live somewhere where it gets that cold in the winter, definitly. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
All winter I have been cold starting my d3 in down to -32 degrees celcius. (Norway) Although it handels it really well, I have just fitted an Altox module so I can preheat the engine. Really looking forward to not breaking my heart every time I start my discovey in wintertime. Love the content. Keep it up!
Edit: Btw I had the same fault as you even on a cold fbh. After I changed the fire chamber it runs perfect every time. Maybe when my Altox is connected the foult will appear again?
We are going to cover more fbh topic in the fall. We actually wanted to get into it more, but then spring came and it got warm again. We unfortunately drifted off to other content. We will look more into the Altox module then, a viewer send us great information. 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
I have ThermoCall 3 hooked up to it and it is the best thing ever
Edit: it doesn't need to be sleeping and it can go for upto 999 minutes (not that you would ever want that)
I want one of those. I’ll test if the 999 minutes work 😳
I have the we basto inside the motor but I have no idea if it is working yet ( idont have remote control ) , how can I know it ? do you have an idea ?
OK Then my Disco 3 is a Unicorn i have fitted the Webasto Watch with the big Remote T100, both trown in the ABS Compartment. You can start the FBH and it will also run the Fan in the Cabin for 30 Minutes.
But to activate it you have to wake the Car up, means you unlock, press the on Button on the T100 and let the Car do its Thing. The Disco will later lock itself and when the 30 Minutes are over you can start the Engine and have a seat in a nice prewarmed Car even at -22 degrees. And most important it throws no fault Codes
Oh wow. This is what I want too. I need to google it. Thanks.
Interesting what scan tool have you got ?👍
Hi Dan, we use the iCarsoft i930 OBD II Scan Tool. 🙋♀️ Vera
Christian, Question: would a Land Rover series 90 or 110 start in these temperatures, or a Discover TDi 200 or 300? All they needed was glow plugs? I don't have the answers but because the series 3 TDi is so lean burn and economical that it needed all this technology to start - remember all those old Mercedes Diesel engines from the 60's in Russia cold starting every day??
if the cars not reaching temp just go old school on it and put something over the front grill until the weather warms up ... trucks have been doing this for years
Yes, I should get it some mittens and that should take care of it. Damn electronics. 👍
Put a D4 fbh in a D3, it has upgraded/better burner, all you have to change is the pcb board... 👍
Interesting! So take PCB board from inside the D3 FBH and place inside D4 FBH?
@@powervolt748 that’s all 👍
I changed my fbh last night for a D4 one all I did as per instruction change the pcb and it works really well far superior than the old d3 fbh.. newer better updated unit from the breakers yard £90 1 hour later all done very happy 😊
I have the remote controller for my FBH which states it won't work with the D4 FBH. I'm guessing it will if I change the PCB board over. Does the board need soldering?
@@powervolt748 no nothing needs soldering on a D4 fbh or d3, the pcb board is we’re the 3 plugs plug into the fbh (same as d3 one), remove fbh strip down very easy then pop the cover off we’re the 3 plugs plug into the unit you will see 4 screws undo them remove slowly and the pcb board lifts out. Do the same on a d3 fbh and put the d3 pcb board into the D4 fbh one re assemble then put the D4 fbh into the d3. I got a remote for the fbh as well running off the 3rd button on the key and all works well. Just put the d3 pcb into the D4 fbh and re fit that’s it very easy.
Forest Gump shrimp reference!
Lr-fbh.co.uk, his controllers work using the land rover button on the key fob to start the heater. It does not effect the automatic starting of the fbh.
We are going to look into that👍, thanks for the link. 🙋♀️ Vera
GSM remote, Is that the Altox? with the ipcu module to let you heat up the cabin that is made in Russia?
I do have a remote from Bell Autoservice in the Uk. I dont think he sells em any more.
on the disco3.co.uk forum, there is a user called Alex Perscalu, he has posted a DiY sollution to start / Stop the webasto using the LR button on your remote.
Worth have a look for a good read....
We are going to check it out for sure. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Hello guy's. My question is, how it's working the fbh? How ca I start it? Because I don't get it and I'm new with LR. Thanks
So check out this video. All parts are linked in the video description. th-cam.com/video/S9yaVGebTBk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Yltf7uoYG-rd8jjy It needs to have the module. If it doesn't start at all, under the correct circumstances ( it won't start when it is warm), read out any faults and check the disco3.co.uk website for further help. 👍🙋♀️
U can buy a GSM module for automation
At least you got into a warm car -11
I just wish the seat heating would start with the FBH. Those leather seats are really cold in the morning. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I feel your pain my heated seats take apex 5 mins to warm up Christian must have rhino skin not to notice 😂😂
My FBH runs once the car is started to help get the engine up to heat quicker too
Now it’s getting strange - next to same cars, my wife wears exactly the same MH down jacket. :)
Cool, I like her already 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Haha, thanks! Yes you would probably end up in technical gear talk. 😅
I use the oval timer for 30 minutes before leaving for school and my daughter gets to ride in a warm car everyday.
Same for us. We just got the problem that the FBH logs a fault if we don’t wait until it fully stopped before starting it again. 🤔
Mine wouldn't start in cold until you pour hot water over the coolent sensor then it starts mines a discovery 3 starnge
Oh also why is the dog not with you?
It's Fabians, not ours 😢. We have only met Fabian and Luna 4 weeks ago. 🙋♀️ Vera
Jeez that's complicated. How about you get in the car & start it before the heater turns off? I can't programme my DH but at 7c or lower it turns & starts blowing warm in a few minutes. Luckily its not too smelly or smokey. 👍
Well, our FBH detects a premature flame, because it's still hot, and won't start automatically again. And is going to log a fault for sure 😄. But the car is of course warm when we start it, but our FBH won't start again. 🙋♀️ Vera
The fbh on my Unimog heats cabin, coolant and feeds heat to fuel tank.
. . . . . . and that's all I have to say about that !! . . . . . . "unquote". Cheers.
👍😂🙋♀️ Vera
The factory CAN-bus heaters are kinda junk IMO. I have 2014 Sprinter which has factory installed double Eberspächer heaters. In my opinion they're kinda useless if you want to preheat the car because they have limited running time and limited start counter. So if it's only a little freezing, the heater can be started only 6 times and 20min per time. Then you have to drive the car at least 15 or 20 minutes and then the counter will reset. IF i sometime drive it only short distances the counter won't reset and now you can't preheat the car.
I live in Finland so it gets really cold in winter here. -20-30C. I solved the problem by installing universal Webasto Thermotop Evo heater. It runs as long as i want and as many times as needed. Of course i have external charger installed also so the battery won't drain too much.
👍But people, also in Finnland , buy a Discovery inspide if the FBH. 🙋♀️
@@Vera_and_Christian Oh yes, they’re quite common cars here! Which is surprising because Finns are known to be Toyota people. And i hate Toyota 😉 My neighbour has one LR also.
The Simon Collins remote works much better
Thanks, we will look it up. 👍
There is solution check altox
Why does your car need this Webasto system? Is it something diesels need? Seems like it is more trouble than it is worth!
It is a diesel thing for sure, and only in the northern countries, where it gets cold. But seeing the weather map of the US, almost every diesel owner is going to need one at the moment😨. Stay safe 👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Not as many diesels in the States, especially California, compared to Europe! But what great mileage they get...
With some additional work and money, the cabin fans can be turned on as well. Disco3.co.uk has the information about it. I would add a Webasto Air Top or Eberspacher D2 to the trunk and heat the cabin up.
Thanks for the tip, going to check that out. I just wish that the car seat heating would start with the FBH. 😄🙋♀️ Vera
Hi, as always a very informative video and thks so much for taking the time to make it, particularly in the freezing cold as well , hope this useless info may be helpful to u and doesn’t come across rude or trying to teach u how to suck eggs, have included a link for u and if u scroll down it shows the shut down periods model dependant www.disco4.com/forum/post1366423.html, thks so much once again and always really enjoy ur videos , stay safe
the fault your having is because you need a new glow plug! this is what we do, replace the burner with a new plug and it will check the plug and heat your engine. this happens when the plug is getting to the end of its life, a new plug ohms is 0.25 and an old plug is 0.4 ohms. ant higher and the webasto will stop altogether. sounds like your "nursing it" through. new plug and burner
Still the same plug and burner in the vehicle and no problems. Years have passed. Christian
Initially I thought it was a device such as this
th-cam.com/video/1vOIOX6_HGg/w-d-xo.html
Retrofitted.
I wonder if there is room at the rear area of the LR3 to fit something similar to fully heat the interior. Perhaps only useful for overnight trips away, in order to provide heat during family sleeping times.
Yeah we bought one of those diesel heaters and wanted to mount them on the outside of the Discovery in an alubox (on our airlinerail). But Christian bought the 5KW one and thought it was too much. So we sent it back🙄 intending to buy a 2KW one. Then it got warmer and we forgot about it. Now it's May and freezing cold and I wish we would have kept the 5KW one 😅. I'll have to wait until end of summer for such an upgrade. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian
Just cuddle up to him and smile doe-eyed when you ask for another 5kw model; no man could ever resist this from you.
😊
brasil
😄 You don't need a diesel heater then. 🙋♀️ Vera
It s not normal after 10 min of engine running that the coolant temperature to be so low, the thermostat must be broken
👍We are going to check the thermostat. Thanks 🙋♀️ Vera
Hi Christian, did you try to push the "flame" button on yhe oval timer after few minutes of driving in order to light up the FBH again?
If you wanna check what a cold start sounds at -21 see this: th-cam.com/video/b08BbPkvVXQ/w-d-xo.html
😂, but it did start 👍. 🙋♀️ Vera
First!
😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
Ha ha ha ! Small critters !
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