QUESTIONS FOR ENGLAND: Feeling sorry for Gareth Southgate? Should Harry Kane start? | ESPN FC
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- QUESTIONS FOR ENGLAND: Feeling sorry for Gareth Southgate? Should Harry Kane start? | ESPN FC
Shaka Hislop, Steve Nicol, Steve McManaman, Mark Ogden and Archie Rhind-Tutt join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC to react to England's 1-1 (5-3 on penalties) win over Switzerland in the UEFA Euro 2024 Quarterfinals.
0:00 Fans fuming at Gareth Southgate
5:25 Should Harry Kane start?
8:14 Pickford's "Switzerland penalty cheat sheet"
11:35 Latest odds to win
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The disrespect on Ollie Watkins 🤧 19 goals and 13 assists!! and yet no game time
Crazy. Meanwhile Kane literally a statue.
@@urbanapache2 'Literally'. The most abused word in the English language.
@@urbanapache2 Kane is 'literally' a statue, really. Do they have gorgons in Germany? That's crazy!
*Winning is the deodorant of the game" 😅😂😂brilliant 👏🏿 from Nicol "covers up the bad smells"😂😂😂
Well - 🏴 did stink the place out with their terrible results. Humped by 🇩🇪 and a loss to 🇭🇺.
Steve knows full well it’s a result business. He would give his right 🥜 for 🏴 to be where 🏴 are.
If Southgate was the flash, he'd walk.
Okay.
😂
😂🤣😭
USA fans don’t get to talk 🤣🤣🤣
@@sluglow6357Yeh haha. The USA didn’t even make it to the Euros!
Why are we dancing around the fact that Gareth Southgate is tactically limited coach. It’s not hard to see it. Jude Bellingham is not #10. His whole career until he went to Real Madrid Jude was playing as #8, Box-to-box midfielder. The only reason Real Madrid played Jude as false #9 is because Karim Benzma went to Saudi Arabia and RM was waiting for Mbappe. Just because Bellingham wears 10 doesn’t mean he should be playing there.. I believe Phil Foden and Cole Palmer are better creative players than Bellingham. I would play Bellingham and Rice together in midfield with either Palmer or Foden in front of them.
Just play him as the lm
No need for a paragraph.
Absolutely bang on bruv all Jude mctominay does is run around and people think he’s doing sumn bro offers ntn
Yet he has to the semi finals. Maybe it’s time for English fans to shut up and just watch the game
@@rogerbrown240how’s the minimum wage job going pal?
What you say is obviously what should be happening. But it should also be clear to you and all the pundits etc that Bellingham beside Rice is an impossibility for Southgate because he will ALWAYS play two sitters, hence the what he said about Kalvin Phillips. He can’t ask Bellingham to sit as a 6. I honestly believe the guy goes by whatever his assistant tells him. And his assistant has as little credentials as he does. England would do better with the players managing themselves, I’m sure of it. They know how they play for their clubs.
Southgate is one of the luckiest coaches in world football, has consistently had some of the most talented players in in the world and happens to be on the easier side of the draw nearly every tournament, with his path anything other then going far in tournaments would be a shambles that’s why some fans don’t think he’s all that
As Napoleon once said, don't give me good generals, give me lucky ones.
@@jpwartist Yeah I heard that the other day too.
@@jpwartist I like it.
One of the luckiest and most certainly the worst.
Pmsl the Scouser who went to Madrid to win things still goes to town on Everton Goal keeper
Any neutral fan has to be hoping for a Spain v Netherlands final, otherwise it's going be a difficult watch.
Well I'll say this. Their games are really fun at the end. They at least have a lot of drama.
Neutral fan? You sound stupid af! Neutral doesnt care who wins, you clown!
France vs England would be a snoozefest. I'd rather watch the NWSL
We all know Papa perez wants Mbappe vs Bellingham in the final...
💯
What MacManaman has said is exactly what I thought during the game. Southgate didn't change the team at all, he just shifted them a little.
He just mimicks the oposition. When they play a back 5 he plays a back 5. He's not got a unique thought in his head.
If Southgate was really a great manager, he would sit Kane and start Toney. Toney scares teams; Kane is pretty worthless right now.
Very apt to have the Mike Bassett England Manager DVD behind you when talking about Gareth Southgate
I'm from Pompey, a real football city and you 2 are the type to walk around the town centre wearing city tops when you had utd tops as kids saying "us" when referring to a team the other side of the county up the a3 round the m25 and up the m1 talking 💩 about your own country after victories like England are consistently in the final stages of tournaments and winning.
Utterly embarrassing is what you are.
We are playing with a false 6 in Harry Kane. Even if you weren't watching the game, the heat maps and data which anyone has access to shows where the issues lie. Yet he changes nothing
They didn't look more lively when Kane went off, what is Ogden waffling about? Switzerland were the better side throughout extra time.
Thank you! These idiot never watch the match
They looked way more lively when the subs came on.
@@RA-wp6th That's usually what happens when you take a guy off running around for nearly 90 minutes and put someone on with fresh legs.
I said Kane not subs. Kane was removed in the 109th minute.
@@Gooniessss Those replacing Kane look livelier than Kane did at the start, and were making more opportunities. Although the subs know they’re only on for a short time, so it’s trickier to directly compare.
Only in England can a manager get you to a semi final and he's hated
Made it by playing no one and lots of luck nothing else
@@clarencegaultieri8293 You are delusional . Like most England fans.
@MySamurai77 No you
Mingrande-England have got to the Semi- Finals IN SPITE of Southgate !!
Exactly. An ungrateful bunch of losers these guys are. We went out to Iceland before Southgate arrived
drop kane!! good finisher but the team suffers with him in
I would say use him as a sub.If you think it's gonna go to penalties.
Drop half of the team
@@GR-bn3xjwe don’t need him for penalties
The thing with Harry Kane is you have to feed him, like that Toney header cross in the previous games and when teams sit back, you aren't gonna be able to find him, as defenders mark him. He needs crosses in the box, and there is no LW, because Southgate didn't take Grealish. And Foden likes to come inside, and Saka on the RW wasn't good enough before this game.
Needs Palmer as RW, Saka should be benched, but that won't happen now after he scored last game
@@GodofStories Saka put the ball in twice for Kane but Kane wasn’t in the box when he needed to be. Didn’t even look like making the runs he should have.
It is watching paint dry. They are boring robots.
Come on, watching paint dry is more entertaining than watching England.
Irrespective of the results, Southgate needs to go. He will never drop Kane even though he’s not performing, and he is reactive instead of proactive. When the other teams are making subs and ours are tired, the most logical thing is to also make changes at some point. The other day he waited till 3 mins before he started making subs. Insane.
Feel sorry? No, I'm sorry...Southgate seems like a genuinely nice man, but he's been one of the luckiest managers in history with the easiest of draws every game in every tournament for 8 years. He should be winning these games, and they've stunk out the place in the process
International has never been poorer and this tournament has been awful to watch
Just imagine England under KLOPP! I hope Southgate will join Premier League, he will be found out in months😂
No german for England. It will be insane to even think of that. How the English fans are gonna insult and taunt the Germans, if they have a German coach?
Didn't he get Middlesbrough relegated?
Klopp won one Premier League in all that time 🤣 clueless
@@matthewwassall798 weasel? Nice name🤣💦
@@Isz2134 thanks mate 🤣
Ogden is the same guy who wanted Ten Hag sacked and the clown Southgate instated as manager of Man United. Now he's criticizing him.
Southgate is the consumate organiser behind the scenes and his work ethic is exemplary, but his game management is atrocious. He surrenders the initiative and fails to see the clearly shifting momentum until it is too late. Probably, like me, millions of England fans were screaming at the tv for him to make changes ten minutes before Switzerland inevitably scored. Like many middle of the road managers he lacks spontaneity, vision and courage. He obviously has the pieces of paper and knows the coaching theory but in practice he is not an elite level coach in terms of game management.
If you are also a MU fan... Good luck😂
You re good mate. I think this time you might take it home e😂 In all honesty I can't see how you won't win the Netherlands. I saw the game vs turkey and they were vulnerable in counter attacka
Capello is one of the greatest tacticians ever. How did he do? There is much, much more to football success than tactics.
spot on
@@user-qk2rt1cn2sCapello couldn't speak the language well enough and by the time he came to England football had changed tactically, he was on the decline
All this talent. Football is not played on a balance sheet.
These talented players cannot even play out of the pressure. 3 semis of a country who only made 3 semis in its history.
The footballing world is clear!
It wants good football
I get where you are coming from in a lot of ways my friend however I am english so I want england to win the euros and it has got to the stage now I know it will not be entertaining if we win it and it is a big if aswell🤣 I will be rooting for spain in the other semi finals tho because they have been the best team in the tournament so far imo however the point is france could win that tie tho and results are the most important factor tho I am not naive enough to think that england are suddenly going to start playing great football now are we tho lets be realistic🤣 I would also rather play france in the final than spain from an england perspective aswell because if spain continue to play like they have they will have too much for the other three teams surely?
I want to win fuk good football.
Ridiculous absolutely ridiculous, pathetic, arrogant and unwarranted self entitlement from england fans, anyway well done southgate and the boys, congratulations and the real fans without agendas are fully behind you
The only agendas are coming from biased media like ESPN FC.
100%
Absolutely self absorbed and delusional, especially the ex players
Club football is different from international football. He is a fantastic international coach. 3 semis and still no believers. England don't deserve any trophy not because of Gareth because of the ungrateful ignorant critics.
Spain
@@someseriousname Spain have the players capable of playing like that England do not.
I agree, Ogden so arrogant and disrespecting the Dutch who had tougher opponents and won more games in 90 minutes than England.
Living in Holland I can tell you for a fact the dutch people hate the english and they are really happy with this draw
England were perfect in that penalty shootout and these clowns have even found a way to have a pop at them about that.
Unlike the Greeks... the English don't hv a plan but they do have good players 😂
Kane has gained SO MUCH weight since going to Germany. He’s running around with a gut 😂
It’s going to be a big disappointment to England fans if they don’t win it all this year !
Truly clueless. You guys are buying into the American paradigm of fast headlines with zero appreciation of the sport. Shame on you.
Yeah, it's ESPN.
As soon as Kane went off ,it was like watching a premier league match. Don’t forget that Kane had to crash into the dugout during the game and mention this to Southgoat who to his credit made the change and took off the captain.Kane said "I’m German now.Put on someone from England".😂
lately the English substitution are making different than the actual starting 11 players so instead of putting them on why don't Southgate make them the staring 11
Unnecessarily snarky punditry going on here... There is a science to penalty taking and saving, but you're never guaranteeing anything, just increasing the odds to your favor.
All 5 penalties taken were impressive, no need for this nonsense
The good thing, even if Southgate somehow manages to ride his luck and win the Euro's he isn't going to be manager for much longer. The team is still very young, with the right coach the future is bright and looks promising for the England team in the years to come.
Exactly, my fear is if he flukes the Euros he will stay in charge for the WC and ruin this crop of superb and talented young players.
USA fans DONT GET TO TALK 🤣😂😂😂
England has had many coaches who played boring football and were unsuccessful. As an England fan, I don't care that the football is pragmatic. Under Ancelotti Real Madrid usually hang on for dear life and practice the dark arts. England has never won the Euros. Once they win ie, they can entertain. When did Scotland last play entertaining football? Trinidad has never done anything. Oggie is negative and clueless. He's always calling for the Manchester United or England manager to be sacked.
De zerbi wants to play progressive football but doesn't know how to. Southgate wants to play pragmatic football but doesn't know how to. Jose and ancelotti know what they want and how to get it.
Everyone remembers how denmark and greece played to win the EUROS, so you cant say no one will remember, no one will care yeah.
Its not the manager its the players, Gareth Southgate is not stopping them 1-2 the defence ,or stopping the striker meeting saka crosses ,now with luke shaw England will get both flanks going and with four yellow cards cancelled, some England players will get a bit more aggressive (controlled aggression)
Agree with macca
Following his mediocre performance for England against Switzerland where he was nonexistent for 100+ minutes, there’s a lot of calls for Harry Kane to be dropped in favor of either Ivan Toney or Ollie Watkins. There is an unwritten rule that says that he can drop a stinker every game and stay on the pitch for the entire game and he won’t be benched in their next game. If anyone wonders why England haven’t been scoring a lot of goals at the EUROs and had moments in games where their attack doesn’t have any ideas, go ask Kane what he’s been doing on the pitch. At this tournament he’s been nowhere near his best and I know he might be carrying an injury and doesn’t look fully fit, Gareth Southgate has to bring more out of his talisman. I get that he has an ability to come deep and collect the ball and sometimes he doesn’t even touch the ball, but why is he playing as if he’s a center back where he’s coming to the midfield meaning that there’s no one up front as you’re not asking Phil Foden to make an in behind run and stay in the box as that’s not his role and even though Jude Bellingham can do that, the guy is a number 8 not an attacking midfielder, and on the right wing Bukayo Saka can either cut inside or take on his fullback.
The players have to be profiled in their correct roles in order to thrive as this isn’t FIFA just because you have the best players on the pitch it doesn’t mean that all of a sudden it’ll click for England and they’ll win this tournament even though they’re in the semifinals thanks to luck as Kane has to stay up top try to be a poaching striker inside the box and meaning that the players around him Foden Saka Bellingham and Mainoo should be able to flourish with his presence in the team allowing them to have a lot of space and when you have creative players they need to be used properly and he himself doesn’t need to do all the creating from deep. He’s not the type of striker who’s going to outrun his opponents as he has to get the ball to his feet and he’s not going to outmuscle anymore either. Kane won’t be dropped for their next game against Netherlands in the semifinals but if you’re gonna play him the way he’s been playing throughout the tournament don’t play him at all and if you want to play him, he shouldn’t drop too deep as if you don’t know what to do with him you’re basically carrying a passenger in the team.
Wasted your time writing this 😂
I would like to see the evolution of the odds throughout the tournament, it must look like a wild rollercoaster
I’m sure Southgate remembers the stick Graham Taylor received for taking Lineker off in 92, because he was way past his best.
England forgets who they are. He is limited, but also the most successful since1966. There is nothing about England that suggests they should complain.
Swiss took control in the 2nd half and Southgate waited until they went a goal down before reacting. Holland won't let them back in the game.
I'm starting to hate epsn and im not joking. Kane is a 9. All of the sudden if a 9 doesnt score 4 goals a game it's all his fault and should be dropped, rather than the team around him not providing.
His first touch has been awful this euros , he neither has the pace that ruins any possibility of counter attack.
Harry kane was a decent passer of the ball but this euros he is misplacing a lot of passes
How can they pass to him if he is standing in midfield?😂🙄
@@lamino8-tg6ro say you’re 12 years old without saying it
See How Dan Thoma @5:27 when he asked the Scouser if Harry Kane should start n he gives a political Answer. Imagine a grown man with kids and all you do is criticise another man decision on a field where you can’t even dream to be in.
W Southgate for sticking to his Method
Let's be honest; the fans aren't mad at Southgate for playing Harry Kane.
FACT: England is the only major (top tier) football nation in Europe that is yet to play against Messi. Infact, England and Argentina haven't met in nearly 2 decades, last match was in 2005. It would be great if they play a friendly this year or even possibly the Finalisimma 2025 if both wins their respective tournaments.
when was the last time a coach unlocked a Superstar team on paper.
What personal criticism has Southgate had other than people questioning his decision making?
England had always had talented players but hardly ever reached Semi-final. Now Southgate reaches 3 semi-final, and people don’t give him credit. They bring excuse of lucky draws. Draw is needed in every tournament. Why I didn’t see people complaining about WC 2022 England-France quarter final as a strong bracket while keep insisting that Spain-Germany is the unfortunate draw of the competition? Had Fulkrug didn’t score the equalizer vs Switzerland, Germany would be playing England instead. So this is not a strong bracket on England side?
Your job is to not manipulate who you will face, instead take game by game. If you win all 7 games, well you are the champions. And that’s what Southgate is doing.
Ogden is on Gab’s balcony? 😂
Southgate is trying to emulate Sir Alf Ramsay. Well , Ramsay had the guts to leave out Jimmy Greaves and play Hurst. He also had the guts to tell his team (after Germany's late equalizer ) going into extra time --- " you won the World Cup once , now go out there and win it again " - Southgate will not drop Kane / Trippier / Walker even though they are stinking the place out with their very below average performances. If its 1-1 at full time on weds Southgate will probably tell his team to "keep their shape" and "not give anything away" ......and yet he wants to emulate Ramsay?
Cheer up lads!! Grumpy takes from a group of grumpy lads. look forward to the semi finals! The last 2 winners of the euros both used A LOT of deodorant.
Man if it become England vs France we all will be sleeping in 15 min into the match
All these journalists crying over success.
southgate is a timid manager. he's too afraid to take risks, hence the unwillingness to try new tactics or even dropping off form players.
Any english fan or commentator thinking sticking harry no trophy kane alone up top with creative players behind him is high. Because they cant play with him. He doesnt move. Foden can dance all over these players but he needs help. He needs young help, tony, palmer, eze, not kane. Maybe kane gets 20-30 mins max but this nonsense going 120 mins is absolutely pathetic to win a trophy.
Southgate it’s personal but Ten Hag to them it’s not loool okay
Pundits still want cole Palmer over Saka…you don’t deserve Saka
"You can't leave Harry Kane out" is just the attitude that makes England perennial losers.
Since when the Frenchman turned black
You do see it now but did Kane bottle taking one the other day if starts vs Holland it's clear he did Give Ivan or Watkins a start see what happens
Why is espn only talking about England? What happens to the Swiss?
Ollie Watkins cameo has been desperate this tournament his runs in behind will change the game
I am so disappointed with this year's Euros. Seems like everyone playing is mentally conditioning themselves for the new Champions League format next season.
Where did archie get his tshirt...topps tiles
So no one should ever criticize Pep again for signing quality players, because if Southgate has this talents and quality and can't produce better performances or bring the best out of them which Pep is the best at... There is no point criticizing pep for having good players because it's one thing to have them and another to bring the best out of them..
He didn’t drop Rooney, Rooney went to him and said I’m not playing at a level high enough to be playing for England anymore.
football is not for entertainment, its winning games
Huh???
Steve Clarke provided the English with loads of entertainment 😂
These anti England Pundits are now getting tiresome. I agreed with the criticism up until Slovenia and most of Slovakia. But they've improved a lot since then by showing mental strength when behind and big player moments. We've seen France and Portugal struggle to even score a goal, and struggle against teams England have knocked out. Yet they mostly went unmentioned compared to England..
Spain
France and Portugal have certainly been bad here, that's true. But those two have at least gone over the line to win or have made it to finals. AND have had more difficult routes to get there. Unlike lucky boy Southgate with his Mickey Mouse easy opponents and easy routes.
Plus, you English are the ones entitled about thinking you can just show up and win simply because of your high profile players. So take your medicine. 😎
Spot on! Criticism was valid at the beginning but they have improved yet still putting the boot in
@@Iron-Bridgeyou need to watch a different sport if you think the teams in Englands half are Mickey Mouse.. the gap between the big teams and the rest has narrowed considerably..🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 watch netball
England were outplayed in every single game so far.
I don't remember them having a go at any opponent. They play 5 at the back and it seems they are happy to wait for penalties. But i blame Coach becoz he is not inspiring at all.. Let them go get a good who knows how to play football.
No other international head coach has been lucky enough to get some favourable groups both in qualifying and in the final stages. This is why England have progressed this far despite Southgate. Imagine a France v England final. The 2 most boringly negative teams in the whole competition.
Exactly . Slovakia should have progressed not England . Luckiest most overrated team in this sports history
Everyone praised Löw with Germany how many semi’s and short comings did he have before they broke through in 2014. Everyone needs to relax and give Southgate a chance
Bellingham is the problem as he plays in Kane's position as kane hasn't been a 9 for years!
You cant just change in the semi final. Kane has to start, if he doesnt perform then Toney can replace him but for start, it has to be Kane.
Ivan Toney could be Ivan Messi and Southgate would still play Kane. It’s pathetically weak
England will prevail
It's already written
Folks, just get used to it already 😊
Like always? Lol 66
What personal stuff? Any examples?
Kane's problem is simple. He should just stop trying to play false nine. No need for him to go back to the midfield and ask for the ball, he should just stay up in front.
Man UTD really had Southgate as their go to man if possible lol. This says everything about English football
All this negative vibes from the anti England mob ...ok have England are easy on the eye ...but they are hard to beat in tournaments
Stevie Nicol talking about how to take a penalty 🤣🤣
The English press and many 'fans' are mean-spirited in the extreme, given the history of honourable mediocrity of the national side perhaps. Gareth is doing an outstanding job, hope he gets out after the tournament for his own sake - we may win it yet.
A King is never a King in his own home.
England looks solid defensively. To get all those egos to defend like a unit is a major accomplishment. I expect them to be in the final with France.
They look not great defensively, they conceded and got behind 2 matches in a row. Defending vs Slovakia was horrible at that goal.
Gareth Safegoat MBE will win the euros and get his statue outside Wembley.
Who is the silly giggler in the studio🤷♂️
Drop Kane and Foden. Play, Toney- Eze, Trent and Shaw.
Three semifinal he must be doing something good or what
They haven't played any good/powerhouse teams, they drew vs slowenia and denmark, they won in ET vs Slovakia and on pens vs Switzerland. If they had played anyone good they'd be home already. WC 2022? First good side they faced they went home. Even the Euro 2021, they faced an abysmal Germany, then Ukraine and Denmark. And when they faced the first good opponent with Italy, they lost. Looking at the last 3 tournaments it's more illusion than reality. This 1 billion+ team shouldn't be playing the way they do and they can't beat any good teams
How many trophies? It's like saying man city should be satisfied with 2nd in the league 4th in champions league and runner up in FA cup. If pep gets no trophies in 2 consecutive seasons he gets the sack. England are man city levels of quality.
@someseriousname
There no where near man city levels of talent. Maybe France is.
English players are just over priced because of epl
Why am I thinking France v England final France winning?
Southgate team has not needed to face Zidane era. Each time the Southgate team faced a half decent team we got knocked out. Why shouldn't this team get to as many semis or win tournaments. Southgate tactics are very poor and substitutions are too reactive
the narrative is you do not know what you're talking about. Saka is a one trick pony. if another penalty shootout the Saka will miss .mark my words.
I cant wait for Man U to hire Southgate
Then You have to wait forever Kid🤓🧠🤏🏻
If that happens, I am burning all my Man United gear. Guaranteed.
Would be amazing for LFC 😂
He fits amazing in city , lfc & arsenal
He's meant for yanited, i mean he can work with his favourite player maguire. I bet he cant wait to manage onana, wan bissaka, mctominay, and rashford.
If you look at the best leagues and their respective national teams, the thing they have in common is what's holding them back and it's a symptom of modern club football. Italy are the perfect example, their 11 consist of players from many different teams. Italy are at their best when Milan and Juve are strong not bc of the talent but bc that means that 2 groups of 3 or 4 players on the 11 play together all year. It makes a HUGE difference for national teams bc the lack of practice time. England also has a fragmented squad. No longer is it 3 or 4 players from which ever the 2 best teams are at the time with a sprinkle of a few others. Look at city, pool, chelsea they all have one or 2 top tier englishmen that are in the 11. That may create a very talented club team but the balance is off and its effecting international teams.
Kane is one of those players who can score a goal even if he's done nothing all game, he's not the issue, the issue is foden and Bellingham can't play together in the roles they are playing! Kane is getting zero service. Foden and haaland works at man city with foden in CAM, drop bellingham next to rice, foden in CAM, Palmer left, saka right, kane will get the service he needs that way.
Biggest load of bollocks ever, people whipping crosses in (Saka hit two into the box), Mainoo had a run into the box, Kane is just never there. These should all have been scoring opportunities but we're not playing with a proper striker at the moment.
Oh please,
Don't look for a scapegoat if England lose or fail to qualify to the final this weekend.
Everything is bound to go south for Southgate 😂 i can literally bet on England losing the semi final and final
they do deserve credit for the way they have prepared for penalties, commentators are being a bit glib
Gareth Southgate has to be the best England coach since Alf Ramsey, in 1986 England lost first Game to Portugal, drew 0-0 with Morocco and then beat Poland 3-0 Paraguay 3-0 And then lost 2-1 Argentina, same old Bobby Robson must go, As for Scotland lots of huff and puff ,And then they are home before the post cards,🤔🙊🙈🙉