Thanks to Factor75 for sponsoring today's video. Use my link to get 50% off your first Factor box and 20% off your next month of orders! strms.net/factor75_saberspark Do you all think that Hollywood mistreats voice actors? And what do you all think we can do to make things right?
Yeah....sometimes it works in some movies...other times it's just...ugh...Chris Pratt as Mario still bothers me, movie is still fun, but...WHY?...lol At least Jack Black nailed it as Bowser.
@@Joeynator3000 This, and that's what it boils down to, some celebs can voice act, others absolutely can not, and they're just paying for the name and sound of their voice...not the quality. Jack Black is pretty good in that his style like Robin Williams has him pour himself into his vocal emoting. Others are...eh...you can have celeb A, B, or C and I can go "Oh yeah that's so and so...and?" if they're not GENINUELY bringing the game to the table they shouldn't be there, and not talking about them sitting down for interviews and "saying" they did cause that's marketing to sell the product, not an accurate reflection of them putting in effort.
he reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution. That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued. Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office. So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
@@user-yw8ys4kq5x this is such a weak excuse, as if large movie studios would actually have this issue, the movie you used as example also seems to have bombed for just not being too great of a movie, and the lawsuit you're mentioning is because they were accused of scamming investors
True, but there are some that can recognize certain voices. when I was kid I remembered noticing Captain K'nuckle from Flapjack sounded like the flying Dutchman, so what if Chris Pratt were to be in every animated release? Some could probably pick up it's the same guy
The thing is, a LOT of kids would understand the difference or recognize voices and actors if adults pointed them out. I was sure as hell excited as a kid to recognize familiar voices in different series and roles of cartoons. It honestly made me feel very observant, attentive, and smart. Even when I was under age 12, I actually DIDN'T like most hanah barbera cartoons my parents grew up with because the animation quality was cheap and recycled WAY too much, the laugh tracks grossed me out because they were all clearly adult voices weirdly timed, and then so much of the writing and mindsets were very often very ignorant, condescending, angry, and abusive (though this latter point specifically leans towards examples like Jetsons and Flintstones).
The target audience is as wide as possible. That is what these celebrities are meant to draw in. The problem is that if the whole show or movie sucks, the size of the star doing the voice doesn't matter.
It's not about convincing the audience. It's about convincing the investors. Some production companies and/or individuals are like "you want $20M from us? Then we have a say in choosing the cast or you don't get our money."
word. In specific, aquafina. Didn't initially know who she was but her voice is so damn grating, I'd rather suffer through constantly hearing chris pratt. (with the exception of the lego movie)
Here's the thing, though, Izzy McGee: The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution. That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued. Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office. So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
Rachael Lillis, the original voice of Misty and Jessie on Pokemon, passed away on August 10, 2024. She'd been battling cancer, and the end of life medical bills were so expensive, her sister had to set up a GoFundMe to help pay them. Her fans are the ones who came through and donated, easing the financial stress of the past few months. This should never have been on them. Pokemon is one of the largest IPs in the world, and even though she hadn't been involved with it for quite awhile, the idea that someone who was instrumental from the beginning, who helped shape the franchise in America, wouldn't be able to afford to die with some level of comfort without the generosity of her fans is sickening. This isn't right and I am so angry right now.
Rest in Peace, Rachael Lillis. Keep on being the amazing Water Pokemon Master you were on Earth within the kingdom of Heaven. Her reoccurring performance as Misty alone should have been enough to set her up (financially) for life, especially given the extremely immense popularity that was the Pokemon franchise. The fact that her fans were the ones who came to her aid during her battle against cancer instead of the industry paying her residuals for her iconic performance from years prior is sooooo bittersweet. 🥺🙏🏽
I can't tell you how much it broke my heart to hear Chris Pratt's regular voice coming out of Garfield I understand the marketing angle, but Lorenzo Music and Frank Welker embodied the character 10000% more.
Something interesting happened with the Garfield movie's Neutral Spanish dub, people here in Spanish-speaking Latin America wanted to hear Garfield's original VA from the Garfield and Friends show, Sandro Larenas, to reprise his role, but the thing is that the series was dubbed in Chile, while big budget animated movies are dubbed in Mexico, but Sony Pictures managed to contact Sandro and flew him to Mexico, but he didn't voice Garfield, instead he voiced Vic, Garfield's father, while Garfield was voiced by a Mexican celebrity
Actors like Mark Hamill, Keith David, James Earl Jones, J.K. Simmons, Ron Perlman, etc. are perfect examples of celebrities who are just as capable at voice acting as they are in acting live on set.
I still cannot believe that the Space Jam studio was so callous as to not allow the VAs for the Looney Tunes characters to attend the official premiere in the main building (that was for the "actors"), the red carpet OR the afterparty.
It can definitely work, and i think especially before I'd say the 2010s-ish. An example that comes to mind is Megamind - you cant tell me the main trio were not made with their actors in mind, and because of that theyre highly elevated in their humor and characterization. However, the key is to not overuse the troupe and the actors that play them. Another issue though is that today the character is simply the actor, and an actor staring as themself just isnt an interesting role (unless theyre Jack Black)
@@Iisho I agree. It can be done, and people like Will Ferrell have the range to pull it off. Plus, he's had experience with voice acting in the past, so that helped. It's just with most (not all) recent films and shows, they tend to just focus on the fact that they hired a celebrity, and don't even bother to check if they have talent.
that Chris rock bit really shows why it was the penguins who were the ones that made an impact on the cultural zeitgeist and not the main four from that franchise.
Yep and now that I think about it most people just watched Madagascar for the penguins, honestly we didn't give a f*** about what the main four were doing and that's also why they got a spin-off series cuz people like them more, also I can't remember any lines from the four but I always remember skippers line smile and wave boys smile and wave
Too bad DreamWorks doesn’t want to show the Penguins again because they see King Julien as the character who made an impact on the cultural zeitgeist, when that’s just not true.
It really is. Because, truly, what kind of audacity does that take? Yes, Sir, you have stacks, Yes, ma'am, you were featured in this film. Do I give a damn? no? as long as you can voice a character we love with as much appreciation as we would, then you'll matter. Aside from that, your presence doesn't interest me. And the *worst* worst thing about it is that most of the time they don't even care about the character they're voicing, and it just flattens the performance to me.
this is why i like indie animation because normally they cant afford celebrity and end up with people like micheal kovac (who is good but not a celebrity)
@3615_TT Works heavy with Glitch productions and I think he's on other side projects, too. He's super well known, and very much appreciated in con spaces. But not quite celebrity yet. ... Amazon, why did you take him away from Angel Dust? :(
Hollywood understands risk though. I mean, Disney prints cash so celebrity power's effect on drawing ticket sales is debatable but anything else, when you're fronting a $30-60 million dollar animated picture that doesn't have the Disney logo on it, the studio wants certain assurances that people are going to see it one way or another. I don't agree but I understand their reasoning.
The fact that people that can change their Voice at will are payed less than random famous dudes who don’t have any qualiftications to Voice act is insane 💀
What makes AI scarier is that they’re already taking over. In the Netherlands, the supermarket chain Aldi has already replaced their default voice actor with an AI for their commercials. And the bastards have the nerve to announce it like it’s a cool thing, as if they didn’t just take away a weekly source of income from a voice actor.
At this rate our only hope will be that real va's will be like how vinyls are now, sounds more or less the same but your uncle says that it sounds more authentic.
automation has been replacing ppl in works since industrial revolution. Handcrafters were replaced by mass production, many farming, cleaning, reparing jobs were replaced with machines. Today we are getting stores or bars without employees, machines replacing ppl at storages etc. Lot of ppl lose their jobs because of that. And no one cared about that. Ppl starting to care about only when voice actors or writers started losing jobs. I guess because they belong to "the upper class".
@@nekrosis6560It's more profitable to get your intern to generate an AI voice for all the characters then to pay thousands or millions of dollars plus workers rights & benefits (if they get any to begin with) for actual voice actors who can retire at any time, lose their voice or even just become unpopular over night for any reason.
I think Jack Black has made the same transition that Robin Williams and Alan Tudyk have made. They’re people who have earned the right to say they’re both kinds of actors. Williams breathed life into animated characters. Tudyk is so good at both subtle and drastic voice manipulation that you have to admit he tricked you in Wreck-It-Ralph. And Black has demonstrated that he can both transform his voice and bring nuance to goofy characters just with sound bites.
To be fair on the Mario thing, Charles Martinet has said he didn't want to do the movie and, since he was getting ready to retire, said that he wanted the franchise to hire a new voice. I don't think Chris Pratt was what he had in mind, but there's that much.
@@gengar618I mean Chris Pratt’s performance as Mario is fine, but he’s been getting offered way too many voice roles lately like Garfield and Barley in Pixar’s Onward
I’d say the biggest win for VA is the actress for Tails, Colleen O’Shaughnessy still providing his voice for the live action Sonic films and Knuckles show. She mainly voices him in the games and from what I can tell, isn’t a huge name in the industry.
Originally her name wasn’t even on the poster for Sonic 2, but fans complained and Jeff managed to get her name on there. Still, I wanna know how much she got paid for the movies.
I’m so glad they got her instead of just slapping someone famous onto tails. There’s a world out there where he’s voiced by Tom holland and that scares me.
I was so certain she was just gonna be there for the post credits as a boon. Imagine my amusement to see they actually kept her on board, and still are. Think she had the good luck, given the time, that she was both more viable in her long term experience at the character than trying to scramble for a kid at the time, and easier on the wallet since they were likely paying enough for Carey and Idris to get on board.
I heard that Paramount chose Colleen O'Shaughnessy for that role because they cleverly thought that her voice fit that character soo well that there was no reason to change it for the Sonic films that they have been making.
@@D3viant517 I think the only reason is because getting a younger person to voice due would have too difficult. Tails was originally voiced by kids in the Adventure games, but had to change voices because the boys hit puberty. So Colleen feels safer.
it's funny how it's the polar opposite in Japan, were some VA are actually more of a celebrity than tv/movie actors, I mean it helps a lot their entertainment industry is more based on anime, animated movies and video games, but still the contrast is baffling. An average VA in japan could actually have a tighter schedule than the regular actor, a single actor could be performing for more than one anime at the time, a videogame or a dubbing gig, now when you hit your big break and do the voice of a popular character, like let's say, Tanjiro from Demon slayer, not only will you be called to voice the character in everything he appears, be it a movie, video game, commercials and even toys, but also live appearances, in the west we only have conventions but in Japan, they constantly have anime related events, like "collaboration cafes", meets and greets, temporal store openings, permanent store openings, festivals, and yes regular conventions, there's also more job opportunities to VA's apart of the already mentioned animated movies, anime, video games and dubbing, there's commercials, narrator and announcers, the audio books industry, the manga and light novel industry actually has what is called "Drama CDs" which are essentially audio books, but the catch is, this "Drama CD" is usually a bonus that will never get animated or put in a manga/novel so the only way for you to know of this special chapter of your favorite franchise is to get this CD, which is usually a limited run and usually bundled to a special edition print of a manga or light novel. Bottom line, a veteran VA in Japan gets almost 10 times more recognition and work in Japan than a veteran in the west, and personally I believed it all stems down to "ye-olde" problem.....in the west animation is kid stuff while in the east is actually the bigger of the entertainment industry.
The world hates artists so much that the first thing they did with AI was replacing visual artists, voice actors, musicians and writers. You don't see AI followers advocating for AI to replace business owners, CEOs or even programmers, but you constantly see them asking for AI to be better at copying someone else's art, voice or appearance.
@@Slawa_Saporogez You know why. Artists have an inflated sense of self worth. Which is they tend to be bad at business and often get trampled on by everyone.
The only time I'd be fine with a celebrity actor is if that celebrity truly knows the character that they're playing and try to be as accurate as possible. There are some huge examples of this, even if they're not animated
It's rough out there for VAs. For every "Peter Cullen is cast in live action Transformers films," there's a dozen "Everyone is recast for the Lego Ninjago movie."
Ya I was so upset by the recast for ninjago. Not only did they ignore the source material, but they also replaced a lot of the va's with worse performers, in my opinion. I will never forgive the way the industry treated the late Kirby Morrow.
And we almost didn't get Peter Cullen either. Michael Bay reportedly wanted Liam Neeson to play Optimus Prime and only let Peter Cullen audition at the insistence of the producers. And that only happened because the producers reached out to the fans before making the movie and the fans insisted they wanted Peter Cullen.
@ShockwaveFPSStudios duh doi! I dont know if im understanding you entirely, though, so I'll cover my bases. Kirby Morrow unfortunately passed away, and i dont think he got the recognition he deserved, particularly when he was recast for the movie. I know llyod made a brief cameo in the Lego movie. and that the films creation was only due to the incredible success of the Lego movie. I don't see how that makes recasting the voice actors who had been portraying their characters for years a good decision. The movie brought a lot of people to the show. I've made my peace with it, and I enjoy its take on garmadon and Lloyd's relationship. I think the movie garmadon did very well. It's still weird that they didn't hire Mark Oliver when he carried season 4, and the fans love it every time his character appears. The movie was part of the soft reboot and redesigns debuting in the season "sons of garmadon." Not only did they ignore the characterization of the characters in the movie, but they hired people who gave worse performances. the voice for Zane was particularly frustrating. The voice talent in the Lego batman movie was less set in stone because there have been so many actors for the characters. Will Arnett was Lego batman, and I think he did a great job that justifies his casting, maybe over a previous Lego batman. But that isn't my fandom, so I don't know. I hope I've communicated clearly, and I'm going to sleep now.
Here in Spanish-speaking Latin American we have to face with the same problem, but it's kind of random. Movies like Frozen, Moana, Strange World, Zootopia, Soul, Inside Out and Luca were dubbed by professional dub voice actors, while some like Toy Story and Red had celebrities in minor roles, but Raya and Wish had celebrities in major roles. Still, Disney actually does a decent job. Illumination, on the other hand, is the worst when it comes to hire Latin American celebrities, though luckily the Mario Movie was the only one where its dub was done entirely by professionals
In the US they had theater actors back in the day voice. Now it's whatever celebrity is popular and while some can voice act others just sound like they are only doing it for the paycheck.
Studios should save millions of dollars in hiring professional voice actors but they rather burn million of dollars in hiring celebrities because of their wrong mindset that their fame will give them more 💰💰
They'd rather many people pay for the movie and hate it than less people paying for the movie and loving it. Short term thinking, a classic failure capitalism creates.
@@kavinsky2 The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution. That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued. Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office. So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
I'll be honest, I really do enjoy Awkwafina's acting/voice acting. But, it kind of is getting sickening for 2 unrelated characters to have the same voice.
I would have preferred Brenda Song voicing every other character over Awkawfina anytime. The woman is mad talented in both voice acting and acting on set and she's very pleasant to listen to and doesn't wanna make me pull my eardrums out.
You must not watch anime. Many well known voice actors either use their own voice, or don't have a range. I always joke that anime dubbers use the same ten voice actors. You know Richard Cox, or the guy who did Vageeta and Picolo when you hear them. Or the likes of Cree Summers for american media, Bumblebee, Foxy Brown, Numbah 5, etc.
@@ItsDaJax here in the Latin American Spanish dub fandom we tend to joke that the majority of anime (and sometimes not just anime) roles are done by Diego Becerril, who himself has only been working for 7 years, but he has dubbed characters like, Goh in Pokémon Journeys, Tsunayoshi Swada in Hitman Reborn!, Taiyo Asano in Mission: Yozakura Family, Jinshi in The Apothecary Diaries, Iruma Suzuki in Welcome to Demon School!, Takemichi Hanagaki in Tokyo Revengers, Koichi Hirose in Jojo's, Akira Tendo in Zom 100 (both the anime and live-action), Haruo Yaguchi in Hi-Score Girl, Chilchuck in Delicious in Dungeon, Makoto Edamura in Great Pretender, Barnaby Brooks in Tiger & Bunny, Lloyd Garmadon in LEGO Ninjago, Donatello in Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem, Prince Zuko in the live-action Avatar the Legend of Aang, etc.
@@Azlanom Having the same voice for two or more characters is not much of an issue for me. I and many others enjoy Va's like Patrick Parburton J. K. Simmons, Both of which have used the same voice for multiple characters in differant shows and movies. One does not really need a extreme range or a differant voice to be decent voice actors/actresses. Voice acting is about energy and fun. I feel that is what really brings a character to life Awkwafina did a good job in doing that. 💛❤🐑
That kind of reminds me how Sony Pictures hired some TH-camrs to dub some of the Spider-Men in Across the Spider-Verse's Neutral Spanish dub, the dubbing and comic community made fun of it, especially since they hired some divisive figures. At least the main characters were dubbed by professionals Now Paramount Pictures hired TH-camrs to voice Megatron and Bumblebee in Transformers One, at least Optimus is dubbed by Chris Hemsworth usual dub voice actor, Andrés Gutierrez Coto
@@pablocasas5906 BUT, unlike the latin spanish case for the most part, at least makes the comparison of the american celeb voice actors superior, makes sense?
It's even worse in europe. We have influencers, rappers, and every other c-list celebrity doing prominent roles in animation. People who are not only not good actors but people who are absolutely incapable or doing the most basic acting you could imagine.
Here in Latin America it was recently announced that in the Transformers One movie a TH-camr/singer will dub Megatron and when his video performance was posted in social media by Paramount Pictures themselves, people made fun of how awful he sounded. Luckily, it has been confirmed that Optimus Prime will be voiced by Chris Hemsworth's usual dub voice actor in Neutral Spanish
@@mrnotsoevil really? Now to think about it, celebrity voice dubbing is kind of rare in live-action, but it is not unheard of. I remember that for the Latin American Spanish dub of the movie Yes Sir, Jim Carrey was dubbed by Mexican actor, Eugenio Derbez, instead of Carrey's usual dub actors. That was very weird since Derbez's previous experiences as a VA were in animated movies, he voiced characters like Mushu in Mulan and Donkey in Shrek, two roles that in English were done by Eddie Murphy, and since then he actually dubbed himself in Hollywood movies where he had a role, like in Jack and Jill
Yep, here in Italy, unless its an already extremely famous VA who is already a mass famous celebrity from the 70s to 90s age (because Italy lives on nostalgia vapors), every other big high caliber animation movie is basically handled to TV celebrities (often not even actors ffs), influencers or musicians... Last year I watched The Last Wish and Shrek 2 back to back with my cousins and I was left speechless by the sheer difference between the two's voice acting: TLW full with barely emotional performances or even casting straight up the opposite of the og english, like Jack Horner having a very deep and guttural voice... and then Shrek 2 rolle up. Perfect castings, emotional and fun performances and perfect casting. I can't stand it... especially since bad castings seems to be carrying on to animated shows too...
As an actor, this is so true. 😭 I did a promo/commercial for a large (billion dollar) tech company (that hired a production crew that hired me), and people always ask if I made a lot of money, but nope... I made $800... before the 10% of my agent's fee...
I give you virtual hugs my friend. I really hope you find a good break soon. (Im kinda in the same boat. For my degree to be a graphic designer. Can’t find a job. About to try and join the Army cause hardly anyone is paying a living wage for even normal jobs.)
I feel like voice actors aren't taken as seriously as they should. Comedians like Robin Williams were able to give great performances, then there's others like Awkwafina....
Obviously Awkwafina isn't hired for her voice acting ability, but because she has a very DISTINCT voice. Yes she's hired FAR too often but having a recognizable voice is still valuable. Keith David, Steve Blum, Kristen Schall, and J.K Simmons all have the same voice for every character they play, they're just used more sparingly
@@GildedJackal Steve Blum actually has a pretty wide range, to be fair. Yeah, all his roles are dudes with deep, gravelly voices, but they're all different. Vincent Valentine, Spike Spiegel, Wolverine, and Zeb from Star Wars: Rebels are all voiced by him, and they all sound very different.
Brendan Fraser also did a great job as Taz in Back in Action, Justin Timberlake as Boo Boo in the live action Yogi Bear and Gabriel Iglesias as Speedy Gonzales in Space Jam 2.
23:03: "It's the EASIEST JOB in the WORLD!" No it is not. It's ten to twenty different takes on the mic, several "god my voice is awful!"s, trying to find the right blend between your voice and the character, making sure the pitch and tone is right, and a lot more. To use Chris' words against him: "It's all about fame." If Chris Rock wasn't famous, they would've told him to get out the instant he brought THAT kind of performance in.
This is why I was so shocked to hear Tail's actual voice actor in the sonic movies. It didn't surprise me that much they used Colleen for the little scene at the end of the first one. But the fact they kept her for the sequel was really cool.
@@orangeslash1667 I actually kind of prefer when children are voiced by actual child actors, I know that if a series goes for too long their voices change but it feels more genuine than a woman voicing them. In the Latin American dub for The Loud House, Lincoln's VA, José Luis Piedra, was around 13 when he first voiced him and he still voices the character to this day, aside from voicing other characters like Giorgio Giovanna in Jojo and Zenitsu in Demon Slayer. Coincidentally, José Luis has a female cousin, Estefanía, who's still a teenager and has dubbed characters like Mei Lee in Turning Red and Sally Brown in some recent Peanuts shows and movies. Though in the case of characters like Tails, I think it's better for a woman to voice him, here in Spanish-speaking Latin America, he was dubbed by Marisol Romero in Sonic 2 and the Prime cartoon, Marisol is better know for voicing Misato Katsuragi in Evangelion
Considering it's a movie you think it would've been possible to get Jason back as sonic for it. (Still don't know why they didn't just use the actual actors of the characters)
I think Garfield was the straw that broke the camel’s back. You know someone put no effort into a role when most parents are saying “he sounds just like mario”
My parents said that, and I didn't even want to watch the movie because I knew it would be C-tier voice acting. The story itself was good, it was Garfields voice that ruined for me
Hot Take: I think Seth Rogan actually did worse as Donkey Kong than Chris Pratt did as Mario. At least Mario still sounds like a person, Pratt even gave him a Brooklyn-accent. Rogan doesn't sound anything like a gorilla, he sounds like Seth Rogan. Compare that to Jack Black, who didnt just use his normal voice for Bowser. He actually made it deeper and more gravely so it would sound more draconic. I didn't hear a bit of Po in Bowser's voice. But when I hear Donkey Kong, all I hear is Mantis and B.O.B. and Pumba. There's no distinction and it really breaks the immersion for me.
My thoughts exactly. I HATED Seth Rogen in that role because literally no effort was put into it. Chris, at least, put in some effort with that role. I'm not sure about Jack Black, though. I think maybe that was partially voice manipulation in post.
My breaking point was hiring Chris Pratt as the voice of Garfield, as it was for many people. There had to have been a ton of other voice actors more qualified for that role. That’s like giving the role of Mickey Mouse to Ryan Gosling. NO! Hire someone with talent! Stop allowing these celebrities to steal jobs from actual qualified voice actors like… Jim Cummings, Rob Paulsen, Phil LaMarr, John DiMaggio, Ashleigh Ball, Kelly Sheridan (hell ALL the women from My Little Pony). These are just people I can name off the top of my head. There are plenty more. I feel like voice actors need to do what writers and actors did and go on strike, so Hollywood can see not anyone can just waltz in and do it.
Thank you for mentioning Jim Cummings!!! I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves. He’s been Winnie the Pooh for what, at least thirty years? And Tigger! His voice just makes me feel so cozy 🥺
Mine was Awkwafina, SHE WAS EVERYWHERE, Disney, DreamWorks, Netflix, Sony... She does the same voice EVERY. FUCKING. TIME but got roles in all that because she is famous...
You know what, that's actually a good pick. Especially if Bill Murray or Frank Welker were to play Garfield's father as a bit of a "passing of the torch" to him, got nothing against Samuel L. Jackson, thought they would be better fits IMO
It's to the point where those of us with highly flexible voices are stuck working regular jobs and entertaining coworkers with impressions, or doing stand-up downtown. We can't even get into the industry any more. And celebs don't even voice act. They just read lines in their normal voice. All that matters is people recognize their voice in everything they do. Those of us with TALENT? Nah, we don't need YOU guys anymore. We have FAMOUS people!
@@tygerchickchibi It’s a whole different ball game. It may not be the case in live-action movies anymore but names sell a lot of these animated. Tom Hanks was in Toy Story. Robin Williams was in Aladdin. Matthew Broderick was in the Lion King. I bet a lot of your favorite animated movies, had some household names. The goal is to get as many butts in seats as possible. It takes more than just core-fans to make a profit. It about mass appeal. No do you think the average Joe would be more like to see? A celebrity or someone they never even heard of. Celebrities are brands, themselves. And they help sell the product.
@@Rhiorrha I can’t help think that you’re projecting. It sucks. I know. But it’s the sad fact of life. Not everyone makes it. It’s not always about what you can do. It’s about connections; the people you know.
@@derrickdiggs8612 Fun Fact: Tiana from Princess and Frog the was originally going be played by Beyoncé, but refused to audition for some reason??? So Anika Noni Rose was chosen instead, she even confirmed that she had low exceptions.
Everyone should watch the documentary "I know that voice!" From 2013 to see a bunch of behind the scenes goings on and how difficult it can be. They go into detail on how movies, cartoons, anime and games approaches voice acting and the work that goes into it, while taking subtle jabs at Chris Rock who said "all you do is talk in a booth and pick up a cheque".
Ooh! Adding that to my watchlist now! Voice acting does seem like one of those jobs that looks a lot easier than it really is. Kind of like acting. There’s a lot more that goes on than what we see.
Another notable example: The Lego Ninjago Movie. There was a team of well-established voice actors for the tv series, that it was a disappointment that they weren't even considered for the movie. They instead chose celebrities that ruined the characterization of the main group of ninjas specifically. Some were better prepared for their roles, in Michael Pena's (laptop keyboard won't let me type his name correctly) case having watched the show with his own children; while others were likely great actors, but missed the mark on their characters. And all because they were trying to market interest in a movie that failed, despite its cast and writing. Likely because of the casting and writing in some occasions. This isn't me hating on anyone involved, this is me making an observation on the failure's of a movie that I still love despite its failures.
Ugh, this again. Much like the LEGO Batman Movie, The LEGO Ninjago Movie is a spin off to the LEGO Movie. It wasn’t an adaptation of the Ninjago series, it was a parody of the Ninjago series much like the LEGO Batman Movie. So of course the actors were changed. As for the movie’s failure. It failed because not only the LEGO Batman Movie came out, but it also started to make anyone feel unintrested of the LEGO Movie and in turn, started to make the LEGO Movie series, go on decline… which got worse when the LEGO Movie 2 flopped.
Kevin Conroy (The Voice Actor For Batman In The 1992 Cartoon, Batman: The Animated Series), before he tragically passed away on November 10th 2022, he had this to say “We’ve see. hundreds of people, and he said ‘Well there’s this really interesting New York actor who does classics, and he might be really interesting for you’ so that’s the kind of CHANCE that wouldn’t happen now, because everything’s stunt casted now, everything’s star casted, they were willing to look at an actor that no one had never heard of, but who had the right instinct for the role and brought the character to life, I honestly don’t think I would probably get the role today…” And he was right. Because of the industry’s obsession with star casting, someone like him getting the role of Batman wouldn’t be something that would happen today.
One of the worst offenders in my opinion was Zendaya as Lola Bunny in Space Jam 💀I don't think it's entirely her fault. Acting and voice acting are completely different ballparks, but LORD her vocal coach must have not cared very much. She sounded like she was just reading off of a piece of paper and phoned it in.
Random thought but I remember from an interview video with Kung Fu Panda 4's co-director Stephanie Ma, she and other members of the team wanted to bring back the Furious 5. Then they realized they couldn't give characters like Tigress speaking roles because it would cost nearly half the budget just to get Angelina Jolie to record a few lines. Then why didn't they just opt to hire Kari Wahlgren to voice Tigress instead? She voiced Tigress before in the Kung Fu Panda show and some shorts, and she's an ACTUAL voice actress with tons of experiences. Same could be done for the other Furious 5 members. They should use REAL VOICE ACTORS instead of celebrities, voice actor talent is so underrated in Hollywood.
@@FanSeitz YEAH! I love Kari Wahlgren's performance as Tigress in the show, in the movies it's just like Angelina Jolie talking, but with Kari you can really feel her voice embodying Tigress's character, she has so much personality in her voice, and at the same time she voices other characters in the show but she can change her voice in so many ways for each character. See now THAT'S real voice acting, that's something most Hollywood celebrities can't do.
For the same reason they didn’t wanna use Sungwon Cho (ProZD) in the movie despite the creatives themselves wanting him in: if their name wasn’t gonna put butts in seats they didn’t want them. Plus I imagine the upper brass were concerned (wrongly) that replacing Angelina Jolie would cause some kind of ‘brand confusion’ and that somehow kids and their parents would care about that enough to complain (they wouldn’t.) all of which are asinine reasons not to do it, but reasons the executives and marketing departments might have.
Actually, it is kind of worse. Spirited Away won Best Picture and, if I had to guess, the embarrassment was too real for Hollywood so they made sure animated films would never compete against _"real"_ cinema. It wasn't just so Disney could add another trophy, it was so some snobby (likely Americanized) art piece wouldn't get obliterated by something animated _and_ foreign.
While I agree with your sentiment, Spirited Away won best animated feature that year, not best movie overall. It was Chicago that won the Oscar for best movie.
As someone whos been learning voice acting. When celebrities voice characters, they sound the same as any generic character. A voice actor can do that role better. They know how to express emotions for the character and make the character fun. We need to give more voice actors a chance, even if they arent known its a way to get them some attention.
And Matthew Lillard has been playing Shaggy since the first Scooby Doo movie because he did such an amazing job, and he literally screamed himself hoarse before filming to get that scratchy voice. He suffered for his craft, he DESERVED to be in that movie!
@@sev1120 that kind of reminds me that in the Latin American dub of the first two live-action Scooby-Doo! movies, Mathew Lilladard was dubbed by the son of the actor who originally voiced Shaggy in the original cartoons, though his father did have a role in the first movie voicing Scrappy, since he also voiced Scrappy
Matthew Lilland being replaced is an insult in so many levels. He was an A list celebrity, yes, but he embodied Shaggy so perfectly in both Live Action and cartoon form. I cannot imagine Shaggy being voiced by anybody else in a modern adaption😢.
This is why I really really hope the Koopalings are voiced by actual *voice actors* if they appear in a Mario Movie sequel. I simply can not see them all being voiced by A-list celebrities giving mediocre, half-assed performances. (Well okay maybe ONE celebrity can join in as long as they're right for the part) Just think of how they'll bring so much energy, passion, and life to these types of roles. For example, Nancy Cartwright as Bowser Jr. would be a perfect choice. Her Bart voice sounds just like how he sounds in the games. How can you say no to that?
@justinyoon2840 Sigh, unfortunately you're right. But they're the only exceptions I want to see happen, every other Mario character can have a celebrity voice for all I care just as long as they fit. I already suggested a voice actor for Bowser Jr. but would you like to know the voice actors I've chosen for the Koopalings?
@@hopegalaxy Well, sure since you already made up fan casting for a sequel. Then again, it’s subject to change because Mario is now owned by Universal, they need to start marketing this movie to all theaters and globally which is gonna make money regardless. It’s the sad truth that either major movie studios, Hollywood, or directors does cast A-List actors and not actual voice actors lately.
- Kari Wahlgren as Lemmy - Greg Cipes as Larry - Hynden Walsh as Wendy - Richard Horvitz as Iggy - Dee Bradley Baker as Morton - Troy Baker as Roy & - Alan Tudyk as Ludwig
To be fair regarding Martinet, he came out and said that he’s leaving behind the Mario role a few months after the movie premiered. He may not have had it in him to play Mario for a feature-length presentation, and I respect that. Now, choosing Pratt…
Mario was first voiced by a wwf wrestler with a Brooklyn accent and teamed up with insp Gadget in live action played by his voice actor, Ernie Hudson came to bust some ghosts for the brothers DIC has connections
Martinet said he would do the role for as long as he was able - and I respect him for acknowledging that he was getting older and couldn't do it as well anymore. I love Martinet but even I could admit that in the past few years Mario was getting "old man voice" - and hearing his replacement in Super Mario Wonder was like listening to Martinet back in the SM64 days. It was so refreshing to hear Mario sound younger - and Afghani will get better with more experience.
Honestly that's part of why i loved MLP G4. They had celebrity actors in episodes and even in the movie, but even in the movies they didn't use celebrity actors as replacements for their main characters, still choosing VAs or singers for key roles. For example, Tara Strong as Twilight, Michelle Creber of Martha Speaks childhood VA fame as apple bloom and sometimes sweetie belle, Tabitha St Germain as rarity and princess luna, and more. The only time a celebrity was considered big enough to headline an mlp g4 movie they still primarily used the already known VA in the cover and posters outside of occassional posters showing the celeb ones. They sold it using the movie, not the celebrities as far as i remember.
That was what I loved about watching animated tv shows as a kid… the “celebrities” were able to voice a character for one episode, but wasn’t able to voice one of the main characters.
James Cordon hasn’t been in any voice acting projects from what I’ve recalled. Seth Rogen has been a good producer on some animated projects, such as last year’s Ninja Turtles movie and Invincible but as an actor it’s just him playing him. Really though… the only actors who’s been typecasted in these animated projects are just Awkwafina and Chris Pratt.
I feel like Hollywood is miscasting voice acting roles with overrated actors and actresses who aren’t really fit for their role. Chris Pratt is a great actor, but he’s not the right choice for Mario nor Garfield, also Will Smith is terrible is most voice roles in animation! Animation and live action are both completely different talents, it’s the voice talent that matters in animation, unlike facial expressions in live action films!
I feel like whenever a movie with a celebrity casting does really well Hollywood jumps to the conclusion that it did well because of said celebrity casting and NOTHING else.
23:51 Much love to all these actors, but shout out to Vincent Price for his performance. Great Mouse Detective is an underrated Disney film, but Ratigan especially stole the show in every scene he was in due to Price's enthusiasm just oozing out in his performance. He said it was one of his favorite roles and was giddy to show off a maquette of his character (gifted to him by Disney) in interviews.
And don't forget that most of the time, the characters are designed to resemble the celebrities voicing them, which in some cases can look amazing, like the Genie looking like Robin Williams, and the we got things like Oscar from Shark Tale looking like Will Smith to an unsettling degree
It really doesn't anymore. At first it was a marketing drive, a headline grab. Now its so bastardized celebrities have become the norm and nobody cares. It doesn't draw anything other than a article for day.
while we're at it, Toronto VAs deserve better gigs than mediocre kids' shows and hackdubs. Remember when they did voices in old Capcom games like Resident Evil 2, Mega Man Legends, and the original Devil May Cry? Remember when Toei commissioned THEM to dub Slam Dunk, Air Master and Interlude uncut? Remember how deep X-Men TAS was? X-Men '97 is a good start but they don't use any VAs from up north outside the original cast which leads me to believe they simply flew them from Toronto to LA as with the Spider-Man crossover back in the 90s. s/o Eddie Glen, Scott McCord, Robert Tinkler, Lyon Smith, Joe Motiki, Martin Roach, Dan Petronijevic, Christian Potenza, Peter Oldring, Jonathan Wilson, Jamie Watson, Dwayne Hill, Cal Dodd, George Buza, Lawrence Bayne, Tony Daniels, Adrian Hough, Richard Waugh, Neil Crone, Alison Sealy-Smith, Alyson Court, Catherine Disher, Lenore Zann, Terri Hawkes, Linda Ballantyne, Stephanie Morgenstern, Susan Roman, Katie Griffin, Emilie-Claire Barlow, Tracy Ryan, Caroly Larson, Sugar Lyn Beard, Novie Edwards, Megan Fahlenbock, Stacey DePass, Sarah LaFleur, Jonathan Tan, Sean Cullen, Cory Doran, and many of the other VAs that gave the 6ix its signature sound as well as to the departed legends like Norm Spencer, Paul Haddad, David Hemblen, Kirsten Bishop, Mark Dailey, Harvey Atkin, Don Francks, Len Carlson, Chris Wiggins, Paul Soles, Billie Mae Richards and Bernard Cowan. but fuck Robert Norman Smith, he was a vile p3do.
The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution. That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued. Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office. So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companie
@@user-yw8ys4kq5xA recent example of this, like just yesterday, is Joaquin Phoenix backing out as the lead of a gay romance leading to the production being cancelled 5 days before beginning filming because of lack of a main and investor pull out
Exactly! I just wish we had more variety in voices. Heck, I don't care if it's only Chris Pratt playing the characters, I just wish he was making unique original voices for each one! Chris playing Mario and Garfield has ruined my image for him doing anymore VA, only because they sounded exactly like him. No originality at all, not even an imitation to pay respects to their actual VAs.
@@WolfTrot Chris Meledandri said Pratt would not be voicing Mario in a thick Italian accent as Martinet had traditionally done. Instead they wanted the Mario bros to have Brooklyn accents.
@@xXMkThunderXx Miyamoto confirmed that Popeye was the biggest inspiration for Mario, so it's not out of character for Mario to have a slightly deeper voice.
@@WolfTrotDo you really want Mario to do tons of grunts and catchphrases throughout the entire movie over an hour and 30 minutes? Cause it seems like you want it back. Who knows that made this decision whether it’s Universal, or Hollywood, or the directors themselves when it comes to casting.
@@rosiv9617most people are toxic and incompetent. The ones crying the most are incompetent or talentless hacks. Actual successful people are not threaten by AI.
@@soukenmarufwt5224or its the fact Ai is/does regularly violate common sense copyright laws lmao Ai is a great tool but using it as a complete source? Cheap and without soul. Ai doesn’t make its own stuff, it recycles what it's fed. They are mad because it is stealing and threatening REAL jobs more often than not.
@@nostalgiamostalgia0319 Cree has been doing voiceover longer than Tom, Tara and Grey. Tara and Cree go all the way back to Hello Kitty in the late 80's when Tara just started.
@@kootunesscrewy Charlie teaches and directs more nowadays. Jeff is still everywhere, Rob is still going strong and doing frequent convention appearances, and same with Jim who has his own TH-cam podcast now.
OMG I literally JUST had this convo as part of a podcaste I edit. Fans used to be able to meet VAs at 1 of my local cons for free before covid. The con took care of the price and still kept the entry fee low. After covid you have to pay to meet anyone and most of them have booths in the Alley where they're selling their things too so you can't just stop and chat I vividly remember getting an autograph from the VA for Italy (Hetalia) while he was on the way to his booth because I was part of the cosplay contest so I couldn't wait in line and we happened to pass in the hallway. There was no need for a money exchange. Not only that but he completely understood and was extremely happy about doing it. In terms of the AI thing I have a lot of thoughts. I feel like if you literally only need 1-2 short lines it's fine to use AS LONG AS you aren't using the fact that that 1 line is the AI of a famous person/character as a selling point. It should be easter egg statues. If you need actual work done. An actual conversation or really anything over that 1-2 lines should be paid for I also like the idea of after someone is dead their voice can live on in that role, but it NEEDS to be a case of the family/estate of that person still receives payment for the use of that voice or roll
Sounds like a bad convention. I've been to quite a few over the years and none of them have had a pay to meet someone. The closest to that is for a guaranteed slot at a photoshoot with really big actors(Jason Mamoa, Giancarlo Esposito, etc.)
The thing is that if companies just hired regular, non a-list celebrity actors, not only could they pay them a livable wage, but they could also pay the animators and writers more to help improve the animation
That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. You pay everyone and give them an appropriate amount of time, I’m sure they’ll come out with banger movies that audiences will want to see. I think other countries do this better than the US does.
Hollywood and studios are to blame, not celebrities. They're simply just doing their job. Those people who run those companies are actively pushing away professional voice acting and choosing celebrities out of complacency.
No, celebs got greedy. Voice acting was for people not pretty enough to be in movies, movies were for the pretty faces. Then celebs started taking BOTH sides of the pie.
@Rhiorrha What you said was literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. You clearly haven't seen the issues that's been going on for years, like, for example, the SCOOB controversy, the Peter Cullen situation during the production of Bumblebee. And don't get me started with Space Jam: A New Legacy's horrible controversy.
@@Rhiorrha That controversy from SCOOB was really bad, and the voices of the Mystery Gang were very miffed at WB's decision to hire celebrities to voice the characters. What's worse is that they only kept Frank Welker in the cast, probably because in the studio's minds is that Frank is more famous and prolific than Matthew Lillard, Grey Griffin, and Kate Micucci. And that's fucked up that they think they're worthless, it's a miracle that they even still want to be working with them after that.
A.I. taking jobs talk always raises one question for me; when all the jobs are gone, how are the consumers going to buy anything? And are the corporate types really short-sighted enough to not see that? Which I doubt, so what am I missing?
Because corporations like most human beings are short-sighted, it's as much profits as possible right this instance. Same thing why we absolutely failed in preventing global warming, unchecked consumerism and corporations whom literally race to exploit as much available land and resources as quick as possible, all done in the name of gaining as much profits as possible within the shortest amount of time rather than future long-term.
I still believe that RoosterTeeth hiring David Tenant, Michael B. Jordan, and several other big names is a large part why their animation collapsed in on itself, along with general mismanagement. They had a whole crew of talented VAs they'd been using for years, and still went for big names when they started a new project
And that's why Red vs Blue died _still_ being their best project ever. Of all time. The only celebrity actor I can think of was Elijah Wood and that's because he WANTED to be there, and he also did a fine fucking job.
And honestly, Gen Lock was one of Rooster Teeth's weakest animated series in my opinion. I remember the acting feeling stilted at best and boring at worst. Shows like RWBY and Camp Camp did have some professional voice actors from the industry as well as members of their own company and those shows had more heart.
When a company goes public and expands, you're often held mercy to your shareholders and investors. A lot of those casting decision are likely threats from investors saying "if you want me to give you a million dollars, one of my conditions is having a say in how your things are produced"... and thus the cycle begins.
What they need to do is stop fucking hiring AAA celebrities to voice characters in movies. They need to hire actual voice actors or they need to get some new people who’ve never been given a chance. The fact that they just hire people for “Star power” is so fucking annoying and shows how well the movie can stand on its own, just look at Borderlands. They have a gross amount of Star power just for the movie to flop. They spent more money on the celebrities then the actual fucking movie. And then, on top of that like anime, they keep using like the same 5 fucking voice actors for everything and it gets really fucking annoying when you’re trying to watch anime. Oh hey, that’s the voice of Natsu for the 50th time. It feels like a lot of this stems from the great work Robin Williams did in the Aladdin movie. I know a lot of this is in the video, but it just feels so fucking good to hear other people finally say it, because I’ve been saying this for years.
yep. one recent example of this is chris pratt. although i think he is a very good celebrity. he tried to actually sound like mario in the super mario bros movie. than a year later the garfield movie comes out and he doesn't even try to sound like him. he just sounds like himself in that movie compared to bill murray who actually tried to sound like him in the live action version.
The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution. That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued. ecause "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office. So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
@@user-yw8ys4kq5x no i can tell you the big difference between borderlands and the super mario bros movie. with borderlands if you look that up you will see that the movie went through 10 years of development hell and is just failing as we speak. with the super mario bros movie illumination and nintendo worked on that project together and thats why it was successful. as for the triple aaa celebrity distributing thing. its just that yes you do need to have some to distribute movies but only a few celebrities not every single aaa star needs to be on a single project
It's hard for VA. These greedy companies use celebrities to get their audiences to pay more to fill their pockets. And sonce Ai is advancing at such an alarming rate. These companies are gonna use it for cheaper prices. This is sad for people who want to spread their talent.
I think Charles Martinet was fine with not voicing Mario for the movie, he was already hinting that he was planning to retire from voicing Mario, so I can't imagine voicing him for a whole movie would've been ideal for him. Having him as a side cameo character was perfect IMO
I feel like he only really said all that after the fact (Mr. Martinet and Nintendo put that out in August 2023 when the movie was released earlier in April) to try and temper the backlash the studio was getting. He's a talented voice actor and could've made a toned back version of Mario that would've been great for a feature length film and still been pure Mario. Him getting to voice his most well known character in their biggest movie yet would've been an incredible sendoff for his career, but Hollywood cheated him out of it. That's my feelings anyways.
@@TwistedD85 Martinet also didn't voice Mario in Super Mario Wonder. Something that I would guess had already been done and decided by the time the Mario movie came out. This wasn't a decision to temper the backlash, this was decided long before the film came out. Now it could still be that he was pushed out of the role just to have Chris Pratt, but I honestly doubt that, not by how much influence Nintendo had on the production of the film and by how respected Martinet is by Nintendo. I think if Martinet would have wanted to voice Mario in the movie, he would have voiced Mario in the movie.
@@gucciguy3408I think that’s also partly because games take so long to make and can contain a LOT of voice lines, since games are designed to be longer than movies or TV shows. I mean, think about it. A game that takes, like, 3 hours to complete is considered really really short. But a 3 hour movie is really really long. So imagine you were paying a celebrity to do voice acting and they have to read so so many lines. That’s a lot of time you’re paying for. It’s cheaper and easier to hire a VA instead.
I've seen so many people openly stating that voice actors "deserve to be replaced by AI" in comments talking about that strike. It's depressing how apathic people have turned the moment genAI became mainstream, and they all act like they will "never" be eventually threatened by it as well. Just laughing and mocking others constantly.
I find it weird that Studio X wants to hire a big star to draw in crowds, but Studio X would also deploy AI voice acting - which would surely turn a large sum of the viewing audience away...
A common problem with many celebrity actors which is especially true for Aquafina and Chris Pratt is that they force their personalities onto the characters they voice instead of them working to alter how they speak so they reflect the intended personality of the characters they voice! It’s possibly another celebrity marketing tactic which has ruined many characters and made many characters voiced by celebrity actors just feel and sound off/strange like if they are trying to be something that they are not because of the personality of the celebrity being most dominant over the character.
I went to a fan festival yesterday where they had a panel called, “you voiced my childhood”. And I was amazed that we are familiar with their characters, but not recognize them by their real life faces. And it was interesting how they discussed what it was like either being a person of color in the industry or a woman in the industry. One actor mentioned how she was assigned to mimic Angela Lansbury and perfected it, but they cut her at the last second and hired someone younger. While the new person did well, she didn’t voice Angela Lansbury at her current age which meant it wasn’t authentic. The reason behind it is Lansbury couldn’t travel to set so they asked someone to step in for her. While companies are trying to be more diverse, it sucks that they have to keep fighting for basic human decency and pay. Now I know why we pay for autographs. The irony is fans are willing to pay their favorite celebrities and 40 or 50 dollars does not break the bank for most people. I just find it sad, yet happy, that fans are willing to financially support their favorite voice actors (mostly when they are nice and authentic) than their employers. I was happy to meet and get the autograph of someone who voiced a few of our favorite villains, Malificient, Cruella, and Lady Tremaine. She even did Madame Leotta from the haunted mansion. I feel bad that I never put a face to the voice until now. On the panel, she was funny, sweet, and supported the other voice actors on the panel. The other two VAs were the same way too. I hope they had better experiences in the industry at present because most celebrities in Hollywood deserve better.
J.K. Simmons, Mark Hammel, Jack Black can do both acting and voice acting. I wish they did a blind script read with 1 celebrity voice and 5 voice actors. And then picked from there.
Honestly though, I didn't think Chris Pratt did a bad job as Mario, and he clearly wanted to do the role justice. Garfield on the other hand was probably just another payday for him, and I don't think he cared that much for it.
A celebrity voice casting that was just perfect for the part. His improv worked beautifully with Disney’s animation (the artists had to work with 14+ hours of Robin’s material to animate the various impressions) & utilized Robin Williams’s comedic talents
I spoke to Charles Martinet Last Year at a fan convention, and he told me he wasn’t invited to the premiere of the Super Mario Bros Movie, despite voicing Mario’s dad and plays a character based on Jumpman (who’s supposed to be the original Mario from Donkey Kong). So it really sucks how despite voice actors being well known to kids who grow into teens & adults… they won’t have the same respect as live action actors in Hollywood because they’re not celebrities or famous.
@@hollytheanimalcrossingfan I wouldn't go that far. At least I can kinda see why they would cast her for that as Daisy has a more raspy voice than Peach and Rosalina do.
It gets wilder for Welker Dude is also Slimer from The Ghostbusters, same Slimer voice is also used for Futurama's Nibbler, when Nibbler isn't actually speaking
@@alexbrinzan9061think of basically every non-English speaking animal from any major animated film from the 80s till now and there’s a high chance Frank Welker (Fred/Modern Scooby the character) voiced them. It’s insane! He’s also Abu from Aladdin, the horse from both Mulan and The Road to El Dorado, and the hummingbird from Pocahontas. According to Wikipedia he has over 800 credits to his name. I’m a big nerd when it comes to voice actor trivia. Lol he’s someone I really admire.
my problem with A-list celebrities voicing animated charcaters is that they're just the actor's voice, nothing else. So other characters they've voiced all just sound the same. They're playing themselves, not the character.
1:47 People like to rip on Pratt's voice of Mario, but some seem to forget he did a solid impression of Martinet's version during Mario and Luigi's commercial in the beginning of the movie.
Ok, but then why did he not keep it up for the rest of the movie? People rip on him because practically the entire movie has bad voice acting. Hell, at some points it legit sounds like a fan-dub. I’d be embarrassed
A similar problem is Nickelodeon’s Winx Club, where the celebrities from Nickelodeon shows were prioritized in the marketing than the characters themselves. Keke Palmer, Matt Shiveley, Daniella Monet, Ariana Grande, and Elizabeth Gillies.
And I don't even know any of them, but it's definitely something to do that's I'm not American to know any kind of celebrities, my knowledge on celebrities is non-existent. :/
I’ve seen some other celebrity appearances in family shows done before Aladdin like Bill Cosby in Fat Albert, Ringo Starr, George Carlin, Alec Baldwin, and Pierce Brosnan appearing in Thomas the Tank Engine, Scott Beach being the original voice of Garfield until 1982, and a few celebrities appearing in the Super Mario Bros cartoon shows. I know it’s not related to what you might be saying, but I was looking for a good place to say this in. 🤷🏻♂️
personally, i dont think celebrities should be cast as a character. animation is meant to be BOUNDLESS, ARTISTIC EXPRESSION, and therefore a voice actor should be able to fit the character, not the other way around
This makes me so, so sad. I really want to have a voice acting job someday, but at this rate thats not going to happen. most of the jobs I have ever wanted are being replaced by AI. I wanted to be an artist. AI. I wanted to be a storyboard artist. AI animation. I want to be a voice actor. Nope AI voices. What the HELL am i supposed to do now??? I cant even do most jobs because of burnout relating to my disability. Big corporations are sucking the creativity out of literally EVERYTHING!!
In the era where the AI will become smarter overtime, being generalist might be a ideal situation in my opinion, but you can use the AI as the source of your inspiration or as your assistent.
What's funny about this animated voice acting downturn is that video games figured out a long time ago that big celeb names do absolutely nothing for the quality of the story, and in fact trying to emulate live action movies made them worse. The mediums are inherently different and so too does the acting style have to be different, and in fact the best recent example of an actual A list celebrity crushing it in a video game role was by someone who is often thought of as a stiff, rangeless actor on the big screen, Keanu Reeves as Johnny Silverhand. Animated studios are just repeating the same mistakes the much younger medium of video games already learned from years ago. It almost seems like a form of self-deprecation, not recognizing animation as its own legitimate artform and a perfect storytelling medium, so you have to fix it by either A. Giviing animated stories live action remakes or B. Forcing hollywood actors and tropes and directing styles into animation. Like, Jimmy Kimmel to keeps making jokes about kids voting for the animated Oscar category anymore, so it must be The Boy and The Heron that's wrong and not Jimmy being out of touch.
100% when I want to play a video game, I want to play a video GAME & I LOVE cartoons, so seeing all these recent games desperately trying to look live-action because of executives seeing that was the way to go can feel like the animation age ghetto is being forced mega hard over there as well.
I can't stop emphasising how grateful I am that the Warner Bros. movie "Storks" allowed Katie Crown (a.k.a. Izzy from "Total Drama) to voice the deuteragonist, Tulip, even though she was originally brought on to provide scratch tracks. I almost thought the character was played by Kristen Wiig when I saw it in theaters! What's even more amazing about this is that Katie isn't even much of a household name compared to, say, fellow Canadian Cree Summer (who also got a W herself when she starred alongside Michael J. Fox in "Atlantis: The Lost Empire")! Then again, Katie was also a pretty successful comedian who had connections with folks like Paul F. Tompkins and Conan O'Brien. Also just a little correction, Saber: Casey Kasem was still alive when Matthew Lillard took over the role of Shaggy. In fact, Casey was the voice of Shaggy's dad in "Scooby-Doo! Mystery Inc.". He died a year after the cancellation of "Mystery Inc."
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Do you all think that Hollywood mistreats voice actors? And what do you all think we can do to make things right?
Well, since voice actors aren’t getting paid, I think people should do something about it. It’s unacceptable.
Yep. They Deserve More Credit.
Hollywood is 100% miss-treating their actors in a way that is so misfortunate
what is up with the echo in the room when you were talking about the sponsor
@@setsers1celebrities shouldn’t be voice actors; voice actors should be celebrities
Corporations paying a voice actor a normal, livable wage: 🤢🤮
Corporations paying 10M$ for a celebrity that can barely voice act: 😁👍
That second one gets more mo
Awkwafina in a nutshell
Celebs don't even voice act, they just read lines in their normal voice.
@@Reverse-GokuWoukdnt consider her a celebrity.
@@Reverse-GokuAwkward-fina 😆
I’m not saying to stop casting celebrity as voice actors, I’m just saying to stop taking advantage of it
True 😢
Yeah....sometimes it works in some movies...other times it's just...ugh...Chris Pratt as Mario still bothers me, movie is still fun, but...WHY?...lol
At least Jack Black nailed it as Bowser.
@@Joeynator3000 This, and that's what it boils down to, some celebs can voice act, others absolutely can not, and they're just paying for the name and sound of their voice...not the quality.
Jack Black is pretty good in that his style like Robin Williams has him pour himself into his vocal emoting. Others are...eh...you can have celeb A, B, or C and I can go "Oh yeah that's so and so...and?" if they're not GENINUELY bringing the game to the table they shouldn't be there, and not talking about them sitting down for interviews and "saying" they did cause that's marketing to sell the product, not an accurate reflection of them putting in effort.
he reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution.
That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued.
Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office.
So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
@@user-yw8ys4kq5x this is such a weak excuse, as if large movie studios would actually have this issue, the movie you used as example also seems to have bombed for just not being too great of a movie, and the lawsuit you're mentioning is because they were accused of scamming investors
The sad thing is, the target audience of these movies is usually children who aren't going to care about celebrities as much.
True, but there are some that can recognize certain voices. when I was kid I remembered noticing Captain K'nuckle from Flapjack sounded like the flying Dutchman, so what if Chris Pratt were to be in every animated release? Some could probably pick up it's the same guy
The thing is, a LOT of kids would understand the difference or recognize voices and actors if adults pointed them out. I was sure as hell excited as a kid to recognize familiar voices in different series and roles of cartoons. It honestly made me feel very observant, attentive, and smart.
Even when I was under age 12, I actually DIDN'T like most hanah barbera cartoons my parents grew up with because the animation quality was cheap and recycled WAY too much, the laugh tracks grossed me out because they were all clearly adult voices weirdly timed, and then so much of the writing and mindsets were very often very ignorant, condescending, angry, and abusive (though this latter point specifically leans towards examples like Jetsons and Flintstones).
The target audience is as wide as possible. That is what these celebrities are meant to draw in. The problem is that if the whole show or movie sucks, the size of the star doing the voice doesn't matter.
Also need to catch the attention of the parents.
It's not about convincing the audience. It's about convincing the investors. Some production companies and/or individuals are like "you want $20M from us? Then we have a say in choosing the cast or you don't get our money."
I don’t care if they hire celebrities, I just wish they hired celebrities with actual experience and passion 😞
My favorite example of celebrity voice acting: Boris Karloff in How the Grinch Stole Christmas (1966).
word. In specific, aquafina. Didn't initially know who she was but her voice is so damn grating, I'd rather suffer through constantly hearing chris pratt. (with the exception of the lego movie)
acting is a JOB, you can't be passionate about every role you take
Right? Like Jack Black in the Mario movie. He went the extra mile in SO many ways for the part. And he threw everything he had into the work.
@@comettamer I know, it was awesome.
The sad thing is that studios could save SO MUCH more money if they just hired actual voice actors instead of random celebrities.
Ugh! Fr! Give me a good actor, not some bitchy celebrity
So true
Here's the thing, though, Izzy McGee:
The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution.
That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued.
Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office.
So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
But doesn’t that just show how underpaid a lot of voice work is?
@@rasengdori13 What do you mean by that?
Rachael Lillis, the original voice of Misty and Jessie on Pokemon, passed away on August 10, 2024. She'd been battling cancer, and the end of life medical bills were so expensive, her sister had to set up a GoFundMe to help pay them. Her fans are the ones who came through and donated, easing the financial stress of the past few months. This should never have been on them. Pokemon is one of the largest IPs in the world, and even though she hadn't been involved with it for quite awhile, the idea that someone who was instrumental from the beginning, who helped shape the franchise in America, wouldn't be able to afford to die with some level of comfort without the generosity of her fans is sickening. This isn't right and I am so angry right now.
rest in peace Rachael (Misty)
Rest in Peace, Rachael Lillis.
Keep on being the amazing Water Pokemon Master you were on Earth within the kingdom of Heaven.
Her reoccurring performance as Misty alone should have been enough to set her up (financially) for life, especially given the extremely immense popularity that was the Pokemon franchise. The fact that her fans were the ones who came to her aid during her battle against cancer instead of the industry paying her residuals for her iconic performance from years prior is sooooo bittersweet. 🥺🙏🏽
We lost Jessie?
@@wakkaseta8351 the actress of jessie died a few days ago. Pokemon fans are mourning her.
Hearing of her passing has affected me much more than I would have expected...RIP
I can't tell you how much it broke my heart to hear Chris Pratt's regular voice coming out of Garfield
I understand the marketing angle, but Lorenzo Music and Frank Welker embodied the character 10000% more.
It’s why I hated that movie
He didn’t sound like Garfield
Something interesting happened with the Garfield movie's Neutral Spanish dub, people here in Spanish-speaking Latin America wanted to hear Garfield's original VA from the Garfield and Friends show, Sandro Larenas, to reprise his role, but the thing is that the series was dubbed in Chile, while big budget animated movies are dubbed in Mexico, but Sony Pictures managed to contact Sandro and flew him to Mexico, but he didn't voice Garfield, instead he voiced Vic, Garfield's father, while Garfield was voiced by a Mexican celebrity
I honestly wasn’t too bothered by it by the time I watched the movie
i don;t chris pratt ever gives a shit as we saw with mari & garfeild
I love Chris but he’s a fucking terrible voice actor
Actors like Mark Hamill, Keith David, James Earl Jones, J.K. Simmons, Ron Perlman, etc. are perfect examples of celebrities who are just as capable at voice acting as they are in acting live on set.
Yes!
Pearlman is underrated as a VA
Robert Pattinson, too!
Don't forget Hank Azaria, and Homer simpson's VO.
“LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO MIMIC A FRACTION OF OUR POWER!”
I still cannot believe that the Space Jam studio was so callous as to not allow the VAs for the Looney Tunes characters to attend the official premiere in the main building (that was for the "actors"), the red carpet OR the afterparty.
Hollywood hates voice actors let's be honest they don't even consider them actors
Robin Williams: I'll do Genie, as long as you don't advertise me as the main attraction
Disney: Okay, let's make him the main attraction 🤑💰💸
😭😭😭💀
Lindsay Ellis was right 😭
That's why Robin Williams stopped working for Disney after that
He really deserved better. 😢
@@wayIess
God rest his soul.
The actors no longer play the characters, the characters play the actor
That's the main problem
What does that mean?
@@soramembrino82 Basically, the voice actor (celebrity is playing more of themselves and not the character they're supposed to play.
It can definitely work, and i think especially before I'd say the 2010s-ish. An example that comes to mind is Megamind - you cant tell me the main trio were not made with their actors in mind, and because of that theyre highly elevated in their humor and characterization. However, the key is to not overuse the troupe and the actors that play them.
Another issue though is that today the character is simply the actor, and an actor staring as themself just isnt an interesting role (unless theyre Jack Black)
@@Iisho I agree. It can be done, and people like Will Ferrell have the range to pull it off. Plus, he's had experience with voice acting in the past, so that helped. It's just with most (not all) recent films and shows, they tend to just focus on the fact that they hired a celebrity, and don't even bother to check if they have talent.
that Chris rock bit really shows why it was the penguins who were the ones that made an impact on the cultural zeitgeist and not the main four from that franchise.
Yep and now that I think about it most people just watched Madagascar for the penguins, honestly we didn't give a f*** about what the main four were doing and that's also why they got a spin-off series cuz people like them more, also I can't remember any lines from the four but I always remember skippers line smile and wave boys smile and wave
Too bad DreamWorks doesn’t want to show the Penguins again because they see King Julien as the character who made an impact on the cultural zeitgeist, when that’s just not true.
The worst part about some of these celebrities , is that some of them act like they're doing YOU a favor by voicing the things you like.
Yeah that's the worst part. Many of them act like they're opinions matter so much, like the world revolves around them.🙄
It really is. Because, truly, what kind of audacity does that take?
Yes, Sir, you have stacks, Yes, ma'am, you were featured in this film.
Do I give a damn? no? as long as you can voice a character we love with as much appreciation as we would, then you'll matter. Aside from that, your presence doesn't interest me.
And the *worst* worst thing about it is that most of the time they don't even care about the character they're voicing, and it just flattens the performance to me.
Chris Rock's "understanding" of voice acting was just...ugh. The more I learn about him, the less I like him
Lookin' at Dwayne
@@blackgemstone801 Sheesh, I guess everybody hates Chris for a good reason.
Today marks 10 years since Robin Williams passed away. He was truly one in a trillion, a national treasure. Rest In Paradise, Robin 🕊️✨
It’s also my mom’s birthday so….you could imagine her shock when she got that news and how Robin died
@@alibrennan5977wow happy birthday to your mom. I can imagine she was devastated like so many of us.
A celebrity who knew how to voice act. He was special
How interesting it is that this video was posted on the very same day 10 years later.
@@alibrennan5977 also happy birthday to your mom!
this is why i like indie animation because normally they cant afford celebrity and end up with people like micheal kovac (who is good but not a celebrity)
With enough time, Kovach will hopefully become a famous VA.
@@Shadowfur he already kinda is, he voices N, rocky, angel dust (pilot), and probably more that i cant remember
@3615_TT Works heavy with Glitch productions and I think he's on other side projects, too. He's super well known, and very much appreciated in con spaces. But not quite celebrity yet.
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Amazon, why did you take him away from Angel Dust? :(
@@Shadowfur yeah and also why a24 and bento box why he's a good voice actor
lmao how did i forget jax
Hollywood doesn't understand that you don't NEED celebrities to sell a movie. They could actually save money by hiring professional voice actors
@@CaptainCat101 I like Hollywood that much
Hollywood understands risk though. I mean, Disney prints cash so celebrity power's effect on drawing ticket sales is debatable but anything else, when you're fronting a $30-60 million dollar animated picture that doesn't have the Disney logo on it, the studio wants certain assurances that people are going to see it one way or another. I don't agree but I understand their reasoning.
The fact that people that can change their Voice at will are payed less than random famous dudes who don’t have any qualiftications to Voice act is insane 💀
It keeps working though so is it their fault or the consumer.
@@charlestonjew7587 Disney didn't really use celebrities to do voice work until Robin Williams though...
What makes AI scarier is that they’re already taking over. In the Netherlands, the supermarket chain Aldi has already replaced their default voice actor with an AI for their commercials.
And the bastards have the nerve to announce it like it’s a cool thing, as if they didn’t just take away a weekly source of income from a voice actor.
At this rate our only hope will be that real va's will be like how vinyls are now, sounds more or less the same but your uncle says that it sounds more authentic.
automation has been replacing ppl in works since industrial revolution. Handcrafters were replaced by mass production, many farming, cleaning, reparing jobs were replaced with machines. Today we are getting stores or bars without employees, machines replacing ppl at storages etc. Lot of ppl lose their jobs because of that. And no one cared about that. Ppl starting to care about only when voice actors or writers started losing jobs. I guess because they belong to "the upper class".
I hope you understand, but I came from Mortal Kombat AI community to tell you that it is used as a tool for fun.
@@kenrichgumanid9235 A mutimillion company is not using it "for fun", this is very different from a MK community
@@nekrosis6560It's more profitable to get your intern to generate an AI voice for all the characters then to pay thousands or millions of dollars plus workers rights & benefits (if they get any to begin with) for actual voice actors who can retire at any time, lose their voice or even just become unpopular over night for any reason.
I think Jack Black has made the same transition that Robin Williams and Alan Tudyk have made. They’re people who have earned the right to say they’re both kinds of actors. Williams breathed life into animated characters. Tudyk is so good at both subtle and drastic voice manipulation that you have to admit he tricked you in Wreck-It-Ralph. And Black has demonstrated that he can both transform his voice and bring nuance to goofy characters just with sound bites.
To be fair on the Mario thing, Charles Martinet has said he didn't want to do the movie and, since he was getting ready to retire, said that he wanted the franchise to hire a new voice. I don't think Chris Pratt was what he had in mind, but there's that much.
These people just hate Chris Pratt, bro. They will not listen to reason about it.
@@gengar618I mean Chris Pratt’s performance as Mario is fine, but he’s been getting offered way too many voice roles lately like Garfield and Barley in Pixar’s Onward
They hired a new voice actor named Kevin Afghani to replace Martinet since he was retiring. Chris Pratt was only casted in the movie not the games.
@@charliecoccia8875 Notably, he voices Mario and Luigi in Super Mario Wonder and does a great job
It doesn't matter. There's only one TRUE Mario movie - the one that has Dennis Hopper in it🤣
I’d say the biggest win for VA is the actress for Tails, Colleen O’Shaughnessy still providing his voice for the live action Sonic films and Knuckles show. She mainly voices him in the games and from what I can tell, isn’t a huge name in the industry.
Originally her name wasn’t even on the poster for Sonic 2, but fans complained and Jeff managed to get her name on there.
Still, I wanna know how much she got paid for the movies.
I’m so glad they got her instead of just slapping someone famous onto tails. There’s a world out there where he’s voiced by Tom holland and that scares me.
I was so certain she was just gonna be there for the post credits as a boon. Imagine my amusement to see they actually kept her on board, and still are. Think she had the good luck, given the time, that she was both more viable in her long term experience at the character than trying to scramble for a kid at the time, and easier on the wallet since they were likely paying enough for Carey and Idris to get on board.
I heard that Paramount chose Colleen O'Shaughnessy for that role because they cleverly thought that her voice fit that character soo well that there was no reason to change it for the Sonic films that they have been making.
@@D3viant517 I think the only reason is because getting a younger person to voice due would have too difficult. Tails was originally voiced by kids in the Adventure games, but had to change voices because the boys hit puberty.
So Colleen feels safer.
it's funny how it's the polar opposite in Japan, were some VA are actually more of a celebrity than tv/movie actors, I mean it helps a lot their entertainment industry is more based on anime, animated movies and video games, but still the contrast is baffling.
An average VA in japan could actually have a tighter schedule than the regular actor, a single actor could be performing for more than one anime at the time, a videogame or a dubbing gig, now when you hit your big break and do the voice of a popular character, like let's say, Tanjiro from Demon slayer, not only will you be called to voice the character in everything he appears, be it a movie, video game, commercials and even toys, but also live appearances, in the west we only have conventions but in Japan, they constantly have anime related events, like "collaboration cafes", meets and greets, temporal store openings, permanent store openings, festivals, and yes regular conventions, there's also more job opportunities to VA's apart of the already mentioned animated movies, anime, video games and dubbing, there's commercials, narrator and announcers, the audio books industry, the manga and light novel industry actually has what is called "Drama CDs" which are essentially audio books, but the catch is, this "Drama CD" is usually a bonus that will never get animated or put in a manga/novel so the only way for you to know of this special chapter of your favorite franchise is to get this CD, which is usually a limited run and usually bundled to a special edition print of a manga or light novel.
Bottom line, a veteran VA in Japan gets almost 10 times more recognition and work in Japan than a veteran in the west, and personally I believed it all stems down to "ye-olde" problem.....in the west animation is kid stuff while in the east is actually the bigger of the entertainment industry.
The world hates artists so much that the first thing they did with AI was replacing visual artists, voice actors, musicians and writers. You don't see AI followers advocating for AI to replace business owners, CEOs or even programmers, but you constantly see them asking for AI to be better at copying someone else's art, voice or appearance.
AI coding was a thing, but coders know better than anyone that AI coding doesn’t work.
The recent Microsoft disaster was because they let an AI write their code for them.
@@Rick586 that’s is not what happened at all
Only in the art community bubble you hear this claim about AI followers. I'm sorry to burst it, but it isn't true.
@@Slawa_Saporogez You know why. Artists have an inflated sense of self worth. Which is they tend to be bad at business and often get trampled on by everyone.
The only time I'd be fine with a celebrity actor is if that celebrity truly knows the character that they're playing and try to be as accurate as possible. There are some huge examples of this, even if they're not animated
You mean like Tim Curry in The Wild Thornberrys? Totally agree
Then again, that could just be a Tim Curry thing lol
Ah yes Jack Black.
I think JackBlack did pretty good as Bowser and did value the character. He was silly
True, like they need to be a vocal talent, not just an actor. Because for them it's just reading off a script.
Mark Hamill comes to mind
It's rough out there for VAs.
For every "Peter Cullen is cast in live action Transformers films," there's a dozen "Everyone is recast for the Lego Ninjago movie."
Ya I was so upset by the recast for ninjago. Not only did they ignore the source material, but they also replaced a lot of the va's with worse performers, in my opinion. I will never forgive the way the industry treated the late Kirby Morrow.
And we almost didn't get Peter Cullen either. Michael Bay reportedly wanted Liam Neeson to play Optimus Prime and only let Peter Cullen audition at the insistence of the producers. And that only happened because the producers reached out to the fans before making the movie and the fans insisted they wanted Peter Cullen.
Yet no one was bothered by the recast for the LEGO Batman Movie.
@@Beth4nythat’s because the LEGO Ninjago Movie was a spin off to the LEGO Movie that was released in 2017 (Back when Kirby Morrow was alive).
@ShockwaveFPSStudios duh doi!
I dont know if im understanding you entirely, though, so I'll cover my bases. Kirby Morrow unfortunately passed away, and i dont think he got the recognition he deserved, particularly when he was recast for the movie. I know llyod made a brief cameo in the Lego movie. and that the films creation was only due to the incredible success of the Lego movie. I don't see how that makes recasting the voice actors who had been portraying their characters for years a good decision.
The movie brought a lot of people to the show. I've made my peace with it, and I enjoy its take on garmadon and Lloyd's relationship. I think the movie garmadon did very well. It's still weird that they didn't hire Mark Oliver when he carried season 4, and the fans love it every time his character appears.
The movie was part of the soft reboot and redesigns debuting in the season "sons of garmadon." Not only did they ignore the characterization of the characters in the movie, but they hired people who gave worse performances. the voice for Zane was particularly frustrating.
The voice talent in the Lego batman movie was less set in stone because there have been so many actors for the characters. Will Arnett was Lego batman, and I think he did a great job that justifies his casting, maybe over a previous Lego batman. But that isn't my fandom, so I don't know.
I hope I've communicated clearly, and I'm going to sleep now.
In sweden this is a problem. Old disney used to have theater people in the roles, now it's pop stars and celebrities.
There still theater people in the live action things
Here in Spanish-speaking Latin American we have to face with the same problem, but it's kind of random. Movies like Frozen, Moana, Strange World, Zootopia, Soul, Inside Out and Luca were dubbed by professional dub voice actors, while some like Toy Story and Red had celebrities in minor roles, but Raya and Wish had celebrities in major roles. Still, Disney actually does a decent job. Illumination, on the other hand, is the worst when it comes to hire Latin American celebrities, though luckily the Mario Movie was the only one where its dub was done entirely by professionals
I mean I don't think they used stunt casting as much as DreamWorks or Illumination if we were to compare.
In the US they had theater actors back in the day voice. Now it's whatever celebrity is popular and while some can voice act others just sound like they are only doing it for the paycheck.
I think sweden has bigger problems than that lol
Studios should save millions of dollars in hiring professional voice actors but they rather burn million of dollars in hiring celebrities because of their wrong mindset that their fame will give them more 💰💰
They'd rather many people pay for the movie and hate it than less people paying for the movie and loving it. Short term thinking, a classic failure capitalism creates.
To be fair, even if they hire professional VAs for main roles, they should gave them a good pay
@@kavinsky2 The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution.
That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued.
Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office.
So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
it is capitalism at play here .. hiring A-lister also serve as marketing to customers or to distribution channel for more cinema time slot .
These are people consumed entirely with money. If they’d make more without the stars, they would.
Honestly I’m tired of Awkwafina. Like just hire someone who actually used different voices for different roles. It’s not hard.
I'll be honest, I really do enjoy Awkwafina's acting/voice acting. But, it kind of is getting sickening for 2 unrelated characters to have the same voice.
I would have preferred Brenda Song voicing every other character over Awkawfina anytime. The woman is mad talented in both voice acting and acting on set and she's very pleasant to listen to and doesn't wanna make me pull my eardrums out.
You must not watch anime. Many well known voice actors either use their own voice, or don't have a range. I always joke that anime dubbers use the same ten voice actors. You know Richard Cox, or the guy who did Vageeta and Picolo when you hear them. Or the likes of Cree Summers for american media, Bumblebee, Foxy Brown, Numbah 5, etc.
@@ItsDaJax here in the Latin American Spanish dub fandom we tend to joke that the majority of anime (and sometimes not just anime) roles are done by Diego Becerril, who himself has only been working for 7 years, but he has dubbed characters like, Goh in Pokémon Journeys, Tsunayoshi Swada in Hitman Reborn!, Taiyo Asano in Mission: Yozakura Family, Jinshi in The Apothecary Diaries, Iruma Suzuki in Welcome to Demon School!, Takemichi Hanagaki in Tokyo Revengers, Koichi Hirose in Jojo's, Akira Tendo in Zom 100 (both the anime and live-action), Haruo Yaguchi in Hi-Score Girl, Chilchuck in Delicious in Dungeon, Makoto Edamura in Great Pretender, Barnaby Brooks in Tiger & Bunny, Lloyd Garmadon in LEGO Ninjago, Donatello in Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem, Prince Zuko in the live-action Avatar the Legend of Aang, etc.
@@Azlanom Having the same voice for two or more characters is not much of an issue for me. I and many others enjoy Va's like Patrick Parburton J. K. Simmons, Both of which have used the same voice for multiple characters in differant shows and movies.
One does not really need a extreme range or a differant voice to be decent voice actors/actresses.
Voice acting is about energy and fun. I feel that is what really brings a character to life
Awkwafina did a good job in doing that.
💛❤🐑
We need good actors, not cringe-worthy celebrities. Simple.
@@AwkwardImp1 but why? 😕
That kind of reminds me how Sony Pictures hired some TH-camrs to dub some of the Spider-Men in Across the Spider-Verse's Neutral Spanish dub, the dubbing and comic community made fun of it, especially since they hired some divisive figures. At least the main characters were dubbed by professionals
Now Paramount Pictures hired TH-camrs to voice Megatron and Bumblebee in Transformers One, at least Optimus is dubbed by Chris Hemsworth usual dub voice actor, Andrés Gutierrez Coto
Facts.
@@isaiahwalking Suzume is proves that not every film uses Celebrities.
@@pablocasas5906 BUT, unlike the latin spanish case for the most part, at least makes the comparison of the american celeb voice actors superior, makes sense?
It's even worse in europe. We have influencers, rappers, and every other c-list celebrity doing prominent roles in animation. People who are not only not good actors but people who are absolutely incapable or doing the most basic acting you could imagine.
Here in Latin America it was recently announced that in the Transformers One movie a TH-camr/singer will dub Megatron and when his video performance was posted in social media by Paramount Pictures themselves, people made fun of how awful he sounded. Luckily, it has been confirmed that Optimus Prime will be voiced by Chris Hemsworth's usual dub voice actor in Neutral Spanish
Ugh. I remember when the German VA role for Saphira in the Eragon movie was given to ... Nena. Yes, the 99 Luftballons Nena. It was very much crap.
@@mrnotsoevil really? Now to think about it, celebrity voice dubbing is kind of rare in live-action, but it is not unheard of. I remember that for the Latin American Spanish dub of the movie Yes Sir, Jim Carrey was dubbed by Mexican actor, Eugenio Derbez, instead of Carrey's usual dub actors. That was very weird since Derbez's previous experiences as a VA were in animated movies, he voiced characters like Mushu in Mulan and Donkey in Shrek, two roles that in English were done by Eddie Murphy, and since then he actually dubbed himself in Hollywood movies where he had a role, like in Jack and Jill
I can see a world where tiktokers take over celeb roles and at that point I just won’t see animated movies anymore. LOL
Yep, here in Italy, unless its an already extremely famous VA who is already a mass famous celebrity from the 70s to 90s age (because Italy lives on nostalgia vapors), every other big high caliber animation movie is basically handled to TV celebrities (often not even actors ffs), influencers or musicians...
Last year I watched The Last Wish and Shrek 2 back to back with my cousins and I was left speechless by the sheer difference between the two's voice acting: TLW full with barely emotional performances or even casting straight up the opposite of the og english, like Jack Horner having a very deep and guttural voice... and then Shrek 2 rolle up. Perfect castings, emotional and fun performances and perfect casting.
I can't stand it... especially since bad castings seems to be carrying on to animated shows too...
As an actor, this is so true. 😭
I did a promo/commercial for a large (billion dollar) tech company (that hired a production crew that hired me), and people always ask if I made a lot of money, but nope... I made $800... before the 10% of my agent's fee...
I give you virtual hugs my friend. I really hope you find a good break soon. (Im kinda in the same boat. For my degree to be a graphic designer. Can’t find a job. About to try and join the Army cause hardly anyone is paying a living wage for even normal jobs.)
I feel like voice actors aren't taken as seriously as they should. Comedians like Robin Williams were able to give great performances, then there's others like Awkwafina....
her voice is literally nails on a chalkboard like why do they KEEP CASTING HER?!?
Obviously Awkwafina isn't hired for her voice acting ability, but because she has a very DISTINCT voice. Yes she's hired FAR too often but having a recognizable voice is still valuable. Keith David, Steve Blum, Kristen Schall, and J.K Simmons all have the same voice for every character they play, they're just used more sparingly
@@GildedJackal Steve Blum actually has a pretty wide range, to be fair. Yeah, all his roles are dudes with deep, gravelly voices, but they're all different. Vincent Valentine, Spike Spiegel, Wolverine, and Zeb from Star Wars: Rebels are all voiced by him, and they all sound very different.
Brendan Fraser also did a great job as Taz in Back in Action, Justin Timberlake as Boo Boo in the live action Yogi Bear and Gabriel Iglesias as Speedy Gonzales in Space Jam 2.
@@josh-oo That's not to mention all of his roles that aren't deep and gravelly like Orochimaru, Leeron, Guilmon, and Starscream.
23:03: "It's the EASIEST JOB in the WORLD!"
No it is not. It's ten to twenty different takes on the mic, several "god my voice is awful!"s, trying to find the right blend between your voice and the character, making sure the pitch and tone is right, and a lot more.
To use Chris' words against him: "It's all about fame." If Chris Rock wasn't famous, they would've told him to get out the instant he brought THAT kind of performance in.
I used to like Chris Rock and even if he was just joking for the awards show, it still rubs me raw.
@@charlestonjew7587 Same here.
@@PeripheralVisionary. You're not wrong.
I hate how accurate this is
Off topic but I love your pfp
The US government needs a Film Board of Canada style media fund. To put money into artist-made creations instead of coporate's push for AI.
This is why I was so shocked to hear Tail's actual voice actor in the sonic movies.
It didn't surprise me that much they used Colleen for the little scene at the end of the first one. But the fact they kept her for the sequel was really cool.
Colleen could've been replaced by Jacob Tremblay of all actors. But that wouldn't have worked for long cuz kids grow up fast.
@@hopegalaxy Indeed, especially thats what happened to the two kids who played him in the Adventure games.
@@orangeslash1667 I actually kind of prefer when children are voiced by actual child actors, I know that if a series goes for too long their voices change but it feels more genuine than a woman voicing them. In the Latin American dub for The Loud House, Lincoln's VA, José Luis Piedra, was around 13 when he first voiced him and he still voices the character to this day, aside from voicing other characters like Giorgio Giovanna in Jojo and Zenitsu in Demon Slayer. Coincidentally, José Luis has a female cousin, Estefanía, who's still a teenager and has dubbed characters like Mei Lee in Turning Red and Sally Brown in some recent Peanuts shows and movies.
Though in the case of characters like Tails, I think it's better for a woman to voice him, here in Spanish-speaking Latin America, he was dubbed by Marisol Romero in Sonic 2 and the Prime cartoon, Marisol is better know for voicing Misato Katsuragi in Evangelion
@@pablocasas5906 I find it odd that Collen replaced Kate Higgins when voicing Tails??
Considering it's a movie you think it would've been possible to get Jason back as sonic for it. (Still don't know why they didn't just use the actual actors of the characters)
I think Garfield was the straw that broke the camel’s back. You know someone put no effort into a role when most parents are saying “he sounds just like mario”
My parents said that, and I didn't even want to watch the movie because I knew it would be C-tier voice acting. The story itself was good, it was Garfields voice that ruined for me
@@WolfTrot The story wasn't even funny.
@@orangeslash1667 I get that, but it had a kinda good plot
@@WolfTrot No compared to the Mark Dindal's other film, The Emperor's New Groove it's not on the same level.
@@orangeslash1667 okay!! We have different opinions!! Let's just let this go, okay? Please?
Hot Take: I think Seth Rogan actually did worse as Donkey Kong than Chris Pratt did as Mario.
At least Mario still sounds like a person, Pratt even gave him a Brooklyn-accent. Rogan doesn't sound anything like a gorilla, he sounds like Seth Rogan.
Compare that to Jack Black, who didnt just use his normal voice for Bowser. He actually made it deeper and more gravely so it would sound more draconic. I didn't hear a bit of Po in Bowser's voice.
But when I hear Donkey Kong, all I hear is Mantis and B.O.B. and Pumba. There's no distinction and it really breaks the immersion for me.
My thoughts exactly. I HATED Seth Rogen in that role because literally no effort was put into it. Chris, at least, put in some effort with that role. I'm not sure about Jack Black, though. I think maybe that was partially voice manipulation in post.
Patrick Warburton would've been a much better choice for Donkey Kong, he's usually cast as a himbo character like Kronk from the Emperor's New Groove.
@@lordanubis1458
No THAT I could see happening.
There's an accent there? All I hear is Pratt
@@Evan-k
It's subtle but it's there, notably when he says certain words like "brotha"
I'll never forget when Rango came out years ago, Johnny Depp's name was almost as large as the movie title itself on all the advertising 😅
At least he did a pretty good job. I at least didn’t mind it at all
Fair enough, but he did a good job.
Yeah but half the cast were VA's or production crew
And the problem is that: He was GOOD in the movie. His voice fit the character well but Hollywood took the wrong lesson from that.
If I'm not misremembering, he was one of the producers of Rango, so, yeah
My breaking point was hiring Chris Pratt as the voice of Garfield, as it was for many people. There had to have been a ton of other voice actors more qualified for that role. That’s like giving the role of Mickey Mouse to Ryan Gosling. NO! Hire someone with talent! Stop allowing these celebrities to steal jobs from actual qualified voice actors like… Jim Cummings, Rob Paulsen, Phil LaMarr, John DiMaggio, Ashleigh Ball, Kelly Sheridan (hell ALL the women from My Little Pony). These are just people I can name off the top of my head. There are plenty more. I feel like voice actors need to do what writers and actors did and go on strike, so Hollywood can see not anyone can just waltz in and do it.
Thank you for mentioning Jim Cummings!!! I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves. He’s been Winnie the Pooh for what, at least thirty years? And Tigger! His voice just makes me feel so cozy 🥺
And darkwing duck
Bill Murray, ironically, did a better job voicing Garfield in the old live action movies, by putting in zero effort
Mine was Awkwafina, SHE WAS EVERYWHERE, Disney, DreamWorks, Netflix, Sony... She does the same voice EVERY. FUCKING. TIME but got roles in all that because she is famous...
Did Frank Welker get a cameo at least?!
I don't understand how someone casts anyone other than H. Jon Benjamin to voice a modern Garfield.
You know what, that's actually a good pick. Especially if Bill Murray or Frank Welker were to play Garfield's father as a bit of a "passing of the torch" to him, got nothing against Samuel L. Jackson, thought they would be better fits IMO
It's to the point where those of us with highly flexible voices are stuck working regular jobs and entertaining coworkers with impressions, or doing stand-up downtown. We can't even get into the industry any more. And celebs don't even voice act. They just read lines in their normal voice. All that matters is people recognize their voice in everything they do. Those of us with TALENT? Nah, we don't need YOU guys anymore. We have FAMOUS people!
There are actors who do both live and animated regularly but when it comes to Hollywood theatrical films, it's like they don't exist
Its fucken bulkshit i'll tell you h'what
@@tygerchickchibi It’s a whole different ball game. It may not be the case in live-action movies anymore but names sell a lot of these animated. Tom Hanks was in Toy Story. Robin Williams was in Aladdin. Matthew Broderick was in the Lion King. I bet a lot of your favorite animated movies, had some household names. The goal is to get as many butts in seats as possible. It takes more than just core-fans to make a profit. It about mass appeal. No do you think the average Joe would be more like to see? A celebrity or someone they never even heard of. Celebrities are brands, themselves. And they help sell the product.
@@Rhiorrha I can’t help think that you’re projecting. It sucks. I know. But it’s the sad fact of life. Not everyone makes it. It’s not always about what you can do. It’s about connections; the people you know.
@@derrickdiggs8612 Fun Fact: Tiana from Princess and Frog the was originally going be played by Beyoncé, but refused to audition for some reason??? So Anika Noni Rose was chosen instead, she even confirmed that she had low exceptions.
Everyone should watch the documentary "I know that voice!" From 2013 to see a bunch of behind the scenes goings on and how difficult it can be. They go into detail on how movies, cartoons, anime and games approaches voice acting and the work that goes into it, while taking subtle jabs at Chris Rock who said "all you do is talk in a booth and pick up a cheque".
Is Tress Macneille in it?
@@Rhiorrhayep.
Ooh! Adding that to my watchlist now!
Voice acting does seem like one of those jobs that looks a lot easier than it really is. Kind of like acting. There’s a lot more that goes on than what we see.
It's not difficult when you get paid a million just to say "It's time to go to the store!"
Too bad, as far as I can remember, Frank Welker wasn't in that doc. Still a great watch, though. I oughta revisit it!
Another notable example: The Lego Ninjago Movie. There was a team of well-established voice actors for the tv series, that it was a disappointment that they weren't even considered for the movie. They instead chose celebrities that ruined the characterization of the main group of ninjas specifically. Some were better prepared for their roles, in Michael Pena's (laptop keyboard won't let me type his name correctly) case having watched the show with his own children; while others were likely great actors, but missed the mark on their characters.
And all because they were trying to market interest in a movie that failed, despite its cast and writing. Likely because of the casting and writing in some occasions. This isn't me hating on anyone involved, this is me making an observation on the failure's of a movie that I still love despite its failures.
Ugh, this again.
Much like the LEGO Batman Movie, The LEGO Ninjago Movie is a spin off to the LEGO Movie. It wasn’t an adaptation of the Ninjago series, it was a parody of the Ninjago series much like the LEGO Batman Movie. So of course the actors were changed.
As for the movie’s failure. It failed because not only the LEGO Batman Movie came out, but it also started to make anyone feel unintrested of the LEGO Movie and in turn, started to make the LEGO Movie series, go on decline… which got worse when the LEGO Movie 2 flopped.
I’m so damn sick of hearing the same voice actors 😭
That's why I don't watch anime.
That’s why I’m with celebrity voice actors. I don’t need to hear Troy Baker & Nolan North in everything.
Too bad
Sorry, I’m in love with celebrity voice actors.
Awkwafina is EVERYWHERE.
Kevin Conroy (The Voice Actor For Batman In The 1992 Cartoon, Batman: The Animated Series), before he tragically passed away on November 10th 2022, he had this to say
“We’ve see. hundreds of people, and he said ‘Well there’s this really interesting New York actor who does classics, and he might be really interesting for you’ so that’s the kind of CHANCE that wouldn’t happen now, because everything’s stunt casted now, everything’s star casted, they were willing to look at an actor that no one had never heard of, but who had the right instinct for the role and brought the character to life, I honestly don’t think I would probably get the role today…”
And he was right. Because of the industry’s obsession with star casting, someone like him getting the role of Batman wouldn’t be something that would happen today.
He is vengeance, he is the night, he *is* Batman.
@@liamphibia He’ll always be The TRUE Dark Knight
Wise words… what a LEGEND. Legend I tell you.😭❤
Batman: TAS would never happen without Kevin. He forever will be Batman.
One of the worst offenders in my opinion was Zendaya as Lola Bunny in Space Jam 💀I don't think it's entirely her fault. Acting and voice acting are completely different ballparks, but LORD her vocal coach must have not cared very much. She sounded like she was just reading off of a piece of paper and phoned it in.
Random thought but I remember from an interview video with Kung Fu Panda 4's co-director Stephanie Ma, she and other members of the team wanted to bring back the Furious 5. Then they realized they couldn't give characters like Tigress speaking roles because it would cost nearly half the budget just to get Angelina Jolie to record a few lines.
Then why didn't they just opt to hire Kari Wahlgren to voice Tigress instead? She voiced Tigress before in the Kung Fu Panda show and some shorts, and she's an ACTUAL voice actress with tons of experiences. Same could be done for the other Furious 5 members.
They should use REAL VOICE ACTORS instead of celebrities, voice actor talent is so underrated in Hollywood.
I actually would have seen Kung Fu Panda 4 if Kari was Tigress in it to support her and nothing else.
@@FanSeitz YEAH! I love Kari Wahlgren's performance as Tigress in the show, in the movies it's just like Angelina Jolie talking, but with Kari you can really feel her voice embodying Tigress's character, she has so much personality in her voice, and at the same time she voices other characters in the show but she can change her voice in so many ways for each character. See now THAT'S real voice acting, that's something most Hollywood celebrities can't do.
@@ArielBBS2779 And Kari is one of the nicest voice actresses, an absolute sweetheart with amazing range.
I think it was contract related too. Shows what the idea of this in a long term franchise can do if you're not careful.
For the same reason they didn’t wanna use Sungwon Cho (ProZD) in the movie despite the creatives themselves wanting him in: if their name wasn’t gonna put butts in seats they didn’t want them. Plus I imagine the upper brass were concerned (wrongly) that replacing Angelina Jolie would cause some kind of ‘brand confusion’ and that somehow kids and their parents would care about that enough to complain (they wouldn’t.) all of which are asinine reasons not to do it, but reasons the executives and marketing departments might have.
13:49 Not so fun fact: The best animated picture category literally only even exists so Disney Animation Studios could win oscars.
Best animated picture winners are also, almost always kids movies.
Actually, it is kind of worse. Spirited Away won Best Picture and, if I had to guess, the embarrassment was too real for Hollywood so they made sure animated films would never compete against _"real"_ cinema. It wasn't just so Disney could add another trophy, it was so some snobby (likely Americanized) art piece wouldn't get obliterated by something animated _and_ foreign.
@@sev1120How many Western animated films were made for adults?
@@ThePrincessCHI'm betting not a lot of em is that good, just like animated adult TV series are moreso generic and bad
While I agree with your sentiment, Spirited Away won best animated feature that year, not best movie overall. It was Chicago that won the Oscar for best movie.
As someone whos been learning voice acting. When celebrities voice characters, they sound the same as any generic character. A voice actor can do that role better. They know how to express emotions for the character and make the character fun. We need to give more voice actors a chance, even if they arent known its a way to get them some attention.
as an aspiring voice actor, this is extremely worrying
Fear not. Keep following your passion and dream.
@@hopegalaxy Thank you :)
As someone who also wants to be a VA, I feel you. But don't give up!!! You can do this and i believe in you!
@@Meddlixng Thank you! Good luck to you in your VA journey too
@@kumoricas a VA as well, dont give up!! i dont rlly voice many popular characters but i just love making people happy and bringing characters to life
The scoob thing irks me especially cause all their vas are alive and MATTHEW LILLARD IS LITERALLY FAMOUS
And Matthew Lillard has been playing Shaggy since the first Scooby Doo movie because he did such an amazing job, and he literally screamed himself hoarse before filming to get that scratchy voice. He suffered for his craft, he DESERVED to be in that movie!
@@sev1120 that kind of reminds me that in the Latin American dub of the first two live-action Scooby-Doo! movies, Mathew Lilladard was dubbed by the son of the actor who originally voiced Shaggy in the original cartoons, though his father did have a role in the first movie voicing Scrappy, since he also voiced Scrappy
Matthew Lilland being replaced is an insult in so many levels. He was an A list celebrity, yes, but he embodied Shaggy so perfectly in both Live Action and cartoon form. I cannot imagine Shaggy being voiced by anybody else in a modern adaption😢.
This is why I really really hope the Koopalings are voiced by actual *voice actors* if they appear in a Mario Movie sequel. I simply can not see them all being voiced by A-list celebrities giving mediocre, half-assed performances. (Well okay maybe ONE celebrity can join in as long as they're right for the part) Just think of how they'll bring so much energy, passion, and life to these types of roles.
For example, Nancy Cartwright as Bowser Jr. would be a perfect choice. Her Bart voice sounds just like how he sounds in the games. How can you say no to that?
I love this comment.
I doubt that’ll happen. Plus, it’s gonna be Universal or Hollywood that makes these casting decisions.
@justinyoon2840
Sigh, unfortunately you're right. But they're the only exceptions I want to see happen, every other Mario character can have a celebrity voice for all I care just as long as they fit.
I already suggested a voice actor for Bowser Jr. but would you like to know the voice actors I've chosen for the Koopalings?
@@hopegalaxy Well, sure since you already made up fan casting for a sequel. Then again, it’s subject to change because Mario is now owned by Universal, they need to start marketing this movie to all theaters and globally which is gonna make money regardless. It’s the sad truth that either major movie studios, Hollywood, or directors does cast A-List actors and not actual voice actors lately.
- Kari Wahlgren as Lemmy
- Greg Cipes as Larry
- Hynden Walsh as Wendy
- Richard Horvitz as Iggy
- Dee Bradley Baker as Morton
- Troy Baker as Roy
&
- Alan Tudyk as Ludwig
To be fair regarding Martinet, he came out and said that he’s leaving behind the Mario role a few months after the movie premiered. He may not have had it in him to play Mario for a feature-length presentation, and I respect that. Now, choosing Pratt…
also I'd say Kevin Afghan does a pretty good Mario. I didn't even notice the VA was different in Wonder until it was pointed out to me
Mario was first voiced by a wwf wrestler with a Brooklyn accent and teamed up with insp Gadget in live action played by his voice actor, Ernie Hudson came to bust some ghosts for the brothers DIC has connections
Martinet said he would do the role for as long as he was able - and I respect him for acknowledging that he was getting older and couldn't do it as well anymore. I love Martinet but even I could admit that in the past few years Mario was getting "old man voice" - and hearing his replacement in Super Mario Wonder was like listening to Martinet back in the SM64 days. It was so refreshing to hear Mario sound younger - and Afghani will get better with more experience.
Vincent Price literally said that Ratigan from Great Mouse Detective was among his favourite roles
And he is the most iconic part of that film
Honestly that's part of why i loved MLP G4. They had celebrity actors in episodes and even in the movie, but even in the movies they didn't use celebrity actors as replacements for their main characters, still choosing VAs or singers for key roles. For example, Tara Strong as Twilight, Michelle Creber of Martha Speaks childhood VA fame as apple bloom and sometimes sweetie belle, Tabitha St Germain as rarity and princess luna, and more. The only time a celebrity was considered big enough to headline an mlp g4 movie they still primarily used the already known VA in the cover and posters outside of occassional posters showing the celeb ones. They sold it using the movie, not the celebrities as far as i remember.
I think the serious Celebrity used for MLP was Sia, to be Song Bird Serenade from movie. But Thats it
That was what I loved about watching animated tv shows as a kid… the “celebrities” were able to voice a character for one episode, but wasn’t able to voice one of the main characters.
James Cordan, Awkwafina, Seth Rogan, Chris Pratt. The 4 horsemen of the voice acting apocalypse.
Y'all forgetting Amy Schumer
@@RyanMcKennaGoslingOh her. Yeah. I hate her too. Such a terrible comedian.
Those are probably one of the examples as to why critics were panning the movie, especially with the Mario movie around 58-60% at rotten tomatoes.
James Cordon hasn’t been in any voice acting projects from what I’ve recalled.
Seth Rogen has been a good producer on some animated projects, such as last year’s Ninja Turtles movie and Invincible but as an actor it’s just him playing him.
Really though… the only actors who’s been typecasted in these animated projects are just Awkwafina and Chris Pratt.
@@justinyoon2840You know Rotten Tomatoes suck right.
That’s easy it’s the desire to have big Hollywood names on the posters instead of worrying about who actually is talented as a voice actor.
I feel like Hollywood is miscasting voice acting roles with overrated actors and actresses who aren’t really fit for their role. Chris Pratt is a great actor, but he’s not the right choice for Mario nor Garfield, also Will Smith is terrible is most voice roles in animation! Animation and live action are both completely different talents, it’s the voice talent that matters in animation, unlike facial expressions in live action films!
I blame disney promoting robin williams for alladin despite him telling them not to do that
I blame capitalism and corporate greed
and also Shrek
Alladin popularised the idea of having a celebrity do a voice
Shrek popularised the idea of having EVERY VOICE ACTOR be a celebrity
@@thejuiceking2219 And what something in common about Shrek and Aladdin is the man behind of what makes this happen, Jeffrey Katzenberg.
@@zainmudassir2964 Corporations are there to make money, yes.
@@lainiwakura1776good for you? ....them?
I feel like whenever a movie with a celebrity casting does really well Hollywood jumps to the conclusion that it did well because of said celebrity casting and NOTHING else.
Correlation does not equal causation. But can you count on a bigwig Hollywood executive to even know what those words mean?
and remember -- if it bombs, it's the millenials, Gen Z, or the animation studio
23:51 Much love to all these actors, but shout out to Vincent Price for his performance. Great Mouse Detective is an underrated Disney film, but Ratigan especially stole the show in every scene he was in due to Price's enthusiasm just oozing out in his performance. He said it was one of his favorite roles and was giddy to show off a maquette of his character (gifted to him by Disney) in interviews.
crazy to think Robin William died exactly 10 years ago today, We are less after the loss of that giant.
This was rather fitting for Saberspark to release this vital topic about Voice Acting in Hollywood.
Can't believe casting celebrities actually works. Whenever I see cast lists on posters I have no idea who any of them are
And don't forget that most of the time, the characters are designed to resemble the celebrities voicing them, which in some cases can look amazing, like the Genie looking like Robin Williams, and the we got things like Oscar from Shark Tale looking like Will Smith to an unsettling degree
It really doesn't anymore. At first it was a marketing drive, a headline grab. Now its so bastardized celebrities have become the norm and nobody cares. It doesn't draw anything other than a article for day.
@pablocasas5906 and Adam from Hazbin Hote looking like Alex Brightman
@@PreppyBaldzuko poor Adam Brightman. He doesn't deserve to look like that
while we're at it, Toronto VAs deserve better gigs than mediocre kids' shows and hackdubs. Remember when they did voices in old Capcom games like Resident Evil 2, Mega Man Legends, and the original Devil May Cry? Remember when Toei commissioned THEM to dub Slam Dunk, Air Master and Interlude uncut? Remember how deep X-Men TAS was?
X-Men '97 is a good start but they don't use any VAs from up north outside the original cast which leads me to believe they simply flew them from Toronto to LA as with the Spider-Man crossover back in the 90s.
s/o Eddie Glen, Scott McCord, Robert Tinkler, Lyon Smith, Joe Motiki, Martin Roach, Dan Petronijevic, Christian Potenza, Peter Oldring, Jonathan Wilson, Jamie Watson, Dwayne Hill, Cal Dodd, George Buza, Lawrence Bayne, Tony Daniels, Adrian Hough, Richard Waugh, Neil Crone, Alison Sealy-Smith, Alyson Court, Catherine Disher, Lenore Zann, Terri Hawkes, Linda Ballantyne, Stephanie Morgenstern, Susan Roman, Katie Griffin, Emilie-Claire Barlow, Tracy Ryan, Caroly Larson, Sugar Lyn Beard, Novie Edwards, Megan Fahlenbock, Stacey DePass, Sarah LaFleur, Jonathan Tan, Sean Cullen, Cory Doran, and many of the other VAs that gave the 6ix its signature sound as well as to the departed legends like Norm Spencer, Paul Haddad, David Hemblen, Kirsten Bishop, Mark Dailey, Harvey Atkin, Don Francks, Len Carlson, Chris Wiggins, Paul Soles, Billie Mae Richards and Bernard Cowan.
but fuck Robert Norman Smith, he was a vile p3do.
Chris Pratt being casted as Garfield is so stupid 😭 like why??? The voice is literally (one of) the main parts of Garfield
I think it's the look are Garfield was a comic hence no voice it was all just mental
Lorenzo Music will always be the best Garfield.
@@Rhiorrhabut unfortunately that voice actor been dead for a long time
The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution.
That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued.
Because "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office.
So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companie
@@user-yw8ys4kq5xA recent example of this, like just yesterday, is Joaquin Phoenix backing out as the lead of a gay romance leading to the production being cancelled 5 days before beginning filming because of lack of a main and investor pull out
they arent hiring celebrities to be voice actors, theyre hiring celebrities to be themselves.
Exactly! I just wish we had more variety in voices. Heck, I don't care if it's only Chris Pratt playing the characters, I just wish he was making unique original voices for each one! Chris playing Mario and Garfield has ruined my image for him doing anymore VA, only because they sounded exactly like him. No originality at all, not even an imitation to pay respects to their actual VAs.
@@WolfTrot Chris Meledandri said Pratt would not be voicing Mario in a thick Italian accent as Martinet had traditionally done. Instead they wanted the Mario bros to have Brooklyn accents.
@@orangeslash1667 Yeah, and we got Chris Pratt trying (and failing) to impersonate someone from Brooklyn instead
@@xXMkThunderXx Miyamoto confirmed that Popeye was the biggest inspiration for Mario, so it's not out of character for Mario to have a slightly deeper voice.
@@WolfTrotDo you really want Mario to do tons of grunts and catchphrases throughout the entire movie over an hour and 30 minutes? Cause it seems like you want it back. Who knows that made this decision whether it’s Universal, or Hollywood, or the directors themselves when it comes to casting.
Im so tired of hearing Chris Pratt, he's a good actor but god damn Hollywood needs some variety
I really hate AI replacing humans
What’s so wrong with AI, AI helps everything, is there a problem with AI.
@@LazyLemon2988 they just said they hate AI replacing humans. That's the problem.
@@rosiv9617most people are toxic and incompetent.
The ones crying the most are incompetent or talentless hacks.
Actual successful people are not threaten by AI.
@@soukenmarufwt5224or its the fact Ai is/does regularly violate common sense copyright laws lmao
Ai is a great tool but using it as a complete source? Cheap and without soul. Ai doesn’t make its own stuff, it recycles what it's fed. They are mad because it is stealing and threatening REAL jobs more often than not.
@@soukenmarufwt5224uh, pretty sure they are the ones most threatened by AI. If AI can replace them, then they’re out of a job.
Non Celebrity Voice actors that aren’t Tom Kenny, Tara Strong and Grey Delisle need some love!
Cree Summer is my favorite.
All three of them are super nice though.
Tbh, old voice actors like Jim Cummings, Charile Adler, Rob Paulsen and Jeff Bennett really need to come back.
@@nostalgiamostalgia0319 Cree has been doing voiceover longer than Tom, Tara and Grey. Tara and Cree go all the way back to Hello Kitty in the late 80's when Tara just started.
@@kootunesscrewy Charlie teaches and directs more nowadays. Jeff is still everywhere, Rob is still going strong and doing frequent convention appearances, and same with Jim who has his own TH-cam podcast now.
OMG I literally JUST had this convo as part of a podcaste I edit. Fans used to be able to meet VAs at 1 of my local cons for free before covid. The con took care of the price and still kept the entry fee low. After covid you have to pay to meet anyone and most of them have booths in the Alley where they're selling their things too so you can't just stop and chat
I vividly remember getting an autograph from the VA for Italy (Hetalia) while he was on the way to his booth because I was part of the cosplay contest so I couldn't wait in line and we happened to pass in the hallway. There was no need for a money exchange. Not only that but he completely understood and was extremely happy about doing it.
In terms of the AI thing I have a lot of thoughts. I feel like if you literally only need 1-2 short lines it's fine to use AS LONG AS you aren't using the fact that that 1 line is the AI of a famous person/character as a selling point. It should be easter egg statues.
If you need actual work done. An actual conversation or really anything over that 1-2 lines should be paid for
I also like the idea of after someone is dead their voice can live on in that role, but it NEEDS to be a case of the family/estate of that person still receives payment for the use of that voice or roll
Sounds like a bad convention. I've been to quite a few over the years and none of them have had a pay to meet someone. The closest to that is for a guaranteed slot at a photoshoot with really big actors(Jason Mamoa, Giancarlo Esposito, etc.)
The thing is that if companies just hired regular, non a-list celebrity actors, not only could they pay them a livable wage, but they could also pay the animators and writers more to help improve the animation
That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. You pay everyone and give them an appropriate amount of time, I’m sure they’ll come out with banger movies that audiences will want to see. I think other countries do this better than the US does.
@@CosmiccNovaIt just sucks nowadays that only US doesn’t do this and uses real actors to do voiceovers.
Hollywood and studios are to blame, not celebrities. They're simply just doing their job. Those people who run those companies are actively pushing away professional voice acting and choosing celebrities out of complacency.
No, celebs got greedy. Voice acting was for people not pretty enough to be in movies, movies were for the pretty faces. Then celebs started taking BOTH sides of the pie.
@Rhiorrha What you said was literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.
You clearly haven't seen the issues that's been going on for years, like, for example, the SCOOB controversy, the Peter Cullen situation during the production of Bumblebee. And don't get me started with Space Jam: A New Legacy's horrible controversy.
@@Rhiorrha That controversy from SCOOB was really bad, and the voices of the Mystery Gang were very miffed at WB's decision to hire celebrities to voice the characters.
What's worse is that they only kept Frank Welker in the cast, probably because in the studio's minds is that Frank is more famous and prolific than Matthew Lillard, Grey Griffin, and Kate Micucci. And that's fucked up that they think they're worthless, it's a miracle that they even still want to be working with them after that.
That's kinda what the video itself said.
@@MathematicalVoid Try telling that to those who still think it's the fault of celebrities instead of corporations.
Vin Diesel literally made millions for saying “I am Groot” for GOTG. This still baffles me to this day.
Rest in Peace Robin Williams. 10 years have passed, and you're still missed by millions
Voice acting should make celebrities. Celebrities shouldn't make Voice acting
A.I. taking jobs talk always raises one question for me; when all the jobs are gone, how are the consumers going to buy anything? And are the corporate types really short-sighted enough to not see that? Which I doubt, so what am I missing?
Because corporations like most human beings are short-sighted, it's as much profits as possible right this instance. Same thing why we absolutely failed in preventing global warming, unchecked consumerism and corporations whom literally race to exploit as much available land and resources as quick as possible, all done in the name of gaining as much profits as possible within the shortest amount of time rather than future long-term.
I still believe that RoosterTeeth hiring David Tenant, Michael B. Jordan, and several other big names is a large part why their animation collapsed in on itself, along with general mismanagement. They had a whole crew of talented VAs they'd been using for years, and still went for big names when they started a new project
And that's why Red vs Blue died _still_ being their best project ever. Of all time. The only celebrity actor I can think of was Elijah Wood and that's because he WANTED to be there, and he also did a fine fucking job.
And honestly, Gen Lock was one of Rooster Teeth's weakest animated series in my opinion. I remember the acting feeling stilted at best and boring at worst. Shows like RWBY and Camp Camp did have some professional voice actors from the industry as well as members of their own company and those shows had more heart.
When a company goes public and expands, you're often held mercy to your shareholders and investors. A lot of those casting decision are likely threats from investors saying "if you want me to give you a million dollars, one of my conditions is having a say in how your things are produced"... and thus the cycle begins.
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What they need to do is stop fucking hiring AAA celebrities to voice characters in movies. They need to hire actual voice actors or they need to get some new people who’ve never been given a chance. The fact that they just hire people for “Star power” is so fucking annoying and shows how well the movie can stand on its own, just look at Borderlands. They have a gross amount of Star power just for the movie to flop. They spent more money on the celebrities then the actual fucking movie. And then, on top of that like anime, they keep using like the same 5 fucking voice actors for everything and it gets really fucking annoying when you’re trying to watch anime. Oh hey, that’s the voice of Natsu for the 50th time. It feels like a lot of this stems from the great work Robin Williams did in the Aladdin movie. I know a lot of this is in the video, but it just feels so fucking good to hear other people finally say it, because I’ve been saying this for years.
yep. one recent example of this is chris pratt. although i think he is a very good celebrity. he tried to actually sound like mario in the super mario bros movie. than a year later the garfield movie comes out and he doesn't even try to sound like him. he just sounds like himself in that movie compared to bill murray who actually tried to sound like him in the live action version.
The reason why a lot of movies, like “The Super Mario Bros Movie (2023)” and “Borderlands (2024)” have big name actors is because there’s a saying in Hollywood that if you don’t have A-list actors, you have little chance of distribution.
That's one of the reasons why the people behind "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" got sued.
ecause "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return" doesn't have any A-list celebrities, therefore none of the big name studios wanted to distribute the film, which is why it was distributed by Clarius Entertainment, therefore it BOMBED in the box office.
So, knowing that you have little chance of distribution if your movie doesn't have A-list actors, why do people still hate movies for having A-list celebrities if that's literally the only way you get distribution from big companies?
or at the very least celebrities who are good voice acting.
@@user-yw8ys4kq5x no i can tell you the big difference between borderlands and the super mario bros movie. with borderlands if you look that up you will see that the movie went through 10 years of development hell and is just failing as we speak. with the super mario bros movie illumination and nintendo worked on that project together and thats why it was successful. as for the triple aaa celebrity distributing thing. its just that yes you do need to have some to distribute movies but only a few celebrities not every single aaa star needs to be on a single project
@@jadenbryant9283 Mark Hamill, Keith David, Ron Perlman, etc.
It's hard for VA. These greedy companies use celebrities to get their audiences to pay more to fill their pockets. And sonce Ai is advancing at such an alarming rate. These companies are gonna use it for cheaper prices. This is sad for people who want to spread their talent.
I think Charles Martinet was fine with not voicing Mario for the movie, he was already hinting that he was planning to retire from voicing Mario, so I can't imagine voicing him for a whole movie would've been ideal for him. Having him as a side cameo character was perfect IMO
I feel like he only really said all that after the fact (Mr. Martinet and Nintendo put that out in August 2023 when the movie was released earlier in April) to try and temper the backlash the studio was getting. He's a talented voice actor and could've made a toned back version of Mario that would've been great for a feature length film and still been pure Mario.
Him getting to voice his most well known character in their biggest movie yet would've been an incredible sendoff for his career, but Hollywood cheated him out of it. That's my feelings anyways.
@@TwistedD85I think the voice Charles used for Mario’s dad would’ve been a great Mario voice.
@@TwistedD85 Martinet also didn't voice Mario in Super Mario Wonder. Something that I would guess had already been done and decided by the time the Mario movie came out. This wasn't a decision to temper the backlash, this was decided long before the film came out.
Now it could still be that he was pushed out of the role just to have Chris Pratt, but I honestly doubt that, not by how much influence Nintendo had on the production of the film and by how respected Martinet is by Nintendo. I think if Martinet would have wanted to voice Mario in the movie, he would have voiced Mario in the movie.
Well yes but they did not need to use chris prat for the 1357890664366788642690th time
@@TwistedD85That's just toxic nostalgia talking. See old Super Mario cartoons and shows before Nintendo 64.
At least there's hope in video game voice acting with the recent SAG-AFTRA strike, specifically trying to protect them against AI replacements.
Yea I think Video game voice acting is the only place I haven't seen an insane decline in quality.
@@gucciguy3408 What about Japan?
@@gucciguy3408I think that’s also partly because games take so long to make and can contain a LOT of voice lines, since games are designed to be longer than movies or TV shows. I mean, think about it. A game that takes, like, 3 hours to complete is considered really really short. But a 3 hour movie is really really long.
So imagine you were paying a celebrity to do voice acting and they have to read so so many lines. That’s a lot of time you’re paying for. It’s cheaper and easier to hire a VA instead.
I've seen so many people openly stating that voice actors "deserve to be replaced by AI" in comments talking about that strike. It's depressing how apathic people have turned the moment genAI became mainstream, and they all act like they will "never" be eventually threatened by it as well. Just laughing and mocking others constantly.
I find it weird that Studio X wants to hire a big star to draw in crowds, but Studio X would also deploy AI voice acting - which would surely turn a large sum of the viewing audience away...
A common problem with many celebrity actors which is especially true for Aquafina and Chris Pratt is that they force their personalities onto the characters they voice instead of them working to alter how they speak so they reflect the intended personality of the characters they voice! It’s possibly another celebrity marketing tactic which has ruined many characters and made many characters voiced by celebrity actors just feel and sound off/strange like if they are trying to be something that they are not because of the personality of the celebrity being most dominant over the character.
I went to a fan festival yesterday where they had a panel called, “you voiced my childhood”.
And I was amazed that we are familiar with their characters, but not recognize them by their real life faces.
And it was interesting how they discussed what it was like either being a person of color in the industry or a woman in the industry.
One actor mentioned how she was assigned to mimic Angela Lansbury and perfected it, but they cut her at the last second and hired someone younger. While the new person did well, she didn’t voice Angela Lansbury at her current age which meant it wasn’t authentic.
The reason behind it is Lansbury couldn’t travel to set so they asked someone to step in for her.
While companies are trying to be more diverse, it sucks that they have to keep fighting for basic human decency and pay.
Now I know why we pay for autographs. The irony is fans are willing to pay their favorite celebrities and 40 or 50 dollars does not break the bank for most people. I just find it sad, yet happy, that fans are willing to financially support their favorite voice actors (mostly when they are nice and authentic) than their employers.
I was happy to meet and get the autograph of someone who voiced a few of our favorite villains, Malificient, Cruella, and Lady Tremaine. She even did Madame Leotta from the haunted mansion. I feel bad that I never put a face to the voice until now.
On the panel, she was funny, sweet, and supported the other voice actors on the panel.
The other two VAs were the same way too.
I hope they had better experiences in the industry at present because most celebrities in Hollywood deserve better.
J.K. Simmons, Mark Hammel, Jack Black can do both acting and voice acting.
I wish they did a blind script read with 1 celebrity voice and 5 voice actors. And then picked from there.
Honestly though, I didn't think Chris Pratt did a bad job as Mario, and he clearly wanted to do the role justice.
Garfield on the other hand was probably just another payday for him, and I don't think he cared that much for it.
The Day Robin William Died R.I.P you legend
A celebrity voice casting that was just perfect for the part. His improv worked beautifully with Disney’s animation (the artists had to work with 14+ hours of Robin’s material to animate the various impressions) & utilized Robin Williams’s comedic talents
The Borderlands movie is prime example of why they need to stop relying heavily on popularity over talent.
I spoke to Charles Martinet Last Year at a fan convention, and he told me he wasn’t invited to the premiere of the Super Mario Bros Movie, despite voicing Mario’s dad and plays a character based on Jumpman (who’s supposed to be the original Mario from Donkey Kong). So it really sucks how despite voice actors being well known to kids who grow into teens & adults… they won’t have the same respect as live action actors in Hollywood because they’re not celebrities or famous.
That's shitty
The worst thing they can do with Awkwafina now is putting her in the Mario movie sequel as the voice of Yoshi. That would sound so cursed
Don't give them ideas
I feel they might have her as Princess Daisy instead.
@@RedStar2002B so making her more annoying?
@@hollytheanimalcrossingfan I wouldn't go that far. At least I can kinda see why they would cast her for that as Daisy has a more raspy voice than Peach and Rosalina do.
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Megatron and Fred having the same voice actor is wild.
It gets wilder for Welker
Dude is also Slimer from The Ghostbusters, same Slimer voice is also used for Futurama's Nibbler, when Nibbler isn't actually speaking
@@gavichealsomething2169 bruh, its wild.
@@alexbrinzan9061 yep, dude's got a list that I'm not gonna say can rival Mel Blanc, but I'd say it's getting up there
@@alexbrinzan9061think of basically every non-English speaking animal from any major animated film from the 80s till now and there’s a high chance Frank Welker (Fred/Modern Scooby the character) voiced them. It’s insane! He’s also Abu from Aladdin, the horse from both Mulan and The Road to El Dorado, and the hummingbird from Pocahontas. According to Wikipedia he has over 800 credits to his name. I’m a big nerd when it comes to voice actor trivia. Lol he’s someone I really admire.
@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle that is a gigachad right there.
my problem with A-list celebrities voicing animated charcaters is that they're just the actor's voice, nothing else. So other characters they've voiced all just sound the same. They're playing themselves, not the character.
1:47 People like to rip on Pratt's voice of Mario, but some seem to forget he did a solid impression of Martinet's version during Mario and Luigi's commercial in the beginning of the movie.
I knew that.
Ok, but then why did he not keep it up for the rest of the movie? People rip on him because practically the entire movie has bad voice acting. Hell, at some points it legit sounds like a fan-dub. I’d be embarrassed
@@astridmaack4516 'The entire movie has bad voice acting' That doesn't include Jack Black, right?
Laugh's in Spanish dub
@@LuxLenchneras well as Charlie Day, Keegan Michael Key and Kevin Michael Richardson
A similar problem is Nickelodeon’s Winx Club, where the celebrities from Nickelodeon shows were prioritized in the marketing than the characters themselves. Keke Palmer, Matt Shiveley, Daniella Monet, Ariana Grande, and Elizabeth Gillies.
And I don't even know any of them, but it's definitely something to do that's I'm not American to know any kind of celebrities, my knowledge on celebrities is non-existent. :/
This is why the 4kids dub is better.
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I’ve seen some other celebrity appearances in family shows done before Aladdin like Bill Cosby in Fat Albert, Ringo Starr, George Carlin, Alec Baldwin, and Pierce Brosnan appearing in Thomas the Tank Engine, Scott Beach being the original voice of Garfield until 1982, and a few celebrities appearing in the Super Mario Bros cartoon shows. I know it’s not related to what you might be saying, but I was looking for a good place to say this in. 🤷🏻♂️
Daniella Monet and Ariana Grande weren’t celebrities by that point. They were Nickelodeon actresses.
personally, i dont think celebrities should be cast as a character. animation is meant to be BOUNDLESS, ARTISTIC EXPRESSION, and therefore a voice actor should be able to fit the character, not the other way around
This makes me so, so sad.
I really want to have a voice acting job someday, but at this rate thats not going to happen. most of the jobs I have ever wanted are being replaced by AI. I wanted to be an artist. AI. I wanted to be a storyboard artist. AI animation. I want to be a voice actor. Nope AI voices. What the HELL am i supposed to do now??? I cant even do most jobs because of burnout relating to my disability. Big corporations are sucking the creativity out of literally EVERYTHING!!
In the era where the AI will become smarter overtime, being generalist might be a ideal situation in my opinion, but you can use the AI as the source of your inspiration or as your assistent.
@@AdityaDwiKusuma1646 i feel like ai can be used for inspiration and thats fine, but it shouldnt be the sole creator of a piece of media
One celebrity that does it right is Ashley Tisdale. She’s incredible.
She was young enough that she was trained for both acting and VA very well. Talented woman, for sure.
I think the more proper term should be... 🎉🎉 FABULOUS 🎉🎉
Jesse McCartney, too!
Chris patt being mario hurt my soul wtf
Garfield was so much worse for me.
What's funny about this animated voice acting downturn is that video games figured out a long time ago that big celeb names do absolutely nothing for the quality of the story, and in fact trying to emulate live action movies made them worse. The mediums are inherently different and so too does the acting style have to be different, and in fact the best recent example of an actual A list celebrity crushing it in a video game role was by someone who is often thought of as a stiff, rangeless actor on the big screen, Keanu Reeves as Johnny Silverhand.
Animated studios are just repeating the same mistakes the much younger medium of video games already learned from years ago. It almost seems like a form of self-deprecation, not recognizing animation as its own legitimate artform and a perfect storytelling medium, so you have to fix it by either A. Giviing animated stories live action remakes or B. Forcing hollywood actors and tropes and directing styles into animation. Like, Jimmy Kimmel to keeps making jokes about kids voting for the animated Oscar category anymore, so it must be The Boy and The Heron that's wrong and not Jimmy being out of touch.
100% when I want to play a video game, I want to play a video GAME & I LOVE cartoons, so seeing all these recent games desperately trying to look live-action because of executives seeing that was the way to go can feel like the animation age ghetto is being forced mega hard over there as well.
I can't stop emphasising how grateful I am that the Warner Bros. movie "Storks" allowed Katie Crown (a.k.a. Izzy from "Total Drama) to voice the deuteragonist, Tulip, even though she was originally brought on to provide scratch tracks. I almost thought the character was played by Kristen Wiig when I saw it in theaters! What's even more amazing about this is that Katie isn't even much of a household name compared to, say, fellow Canadian Cree Summer (who also got a W herself when she starred alongside Michael J. Fox in "Atlantis: The Lost Empire")! Then again, Katie was also a pretty successful comedian who had connections with folks like Paul F. Tompkins and Conan O'Brien.
Also just a little correction, Saber: Casey Kasem was still alive when Matthew Lillard took over the role of Shaggy. In fact, Casey was the voice of Shaggy's dad in "Scooby-Doo! Mystery Inc.". He died a year after the cancellation of "Mystery Inc."
25:16 Seth MacFarlane did.