There never will be. This is a expensive paper weight! LibreElec is in alpha, Android is wonky, Linux is wonky, and the community is to small. I tried every OS and still its a bad board, get me right, its bad because of the software rockchips are just plain simple shit.
So glad you are covering all these new SOC's - keeps me in the loop! But I gotta say, being in (i guess?) Australia, it would be nice for you to post (OSD) the ambient temp of your room with your (OSD) cpu min/av/max readings. As you know, it is cpu temp minus ambient that gives expected temps for other environments. Bet you're feeling warmer than Sweden!
NovaTech as special guest ? wow, nice :D Hmm.... Looks like the TikerBoard still neds some tinkering from Asus's part, eh ? :D As for your gag intro, i'm one of those that usually don't care about it and quickly jumps to the main content, so not having one this time did not hurt me, however i do understand those who do like those, so, in their name, please do continue. ;)
+Darth Killer Yeah, it was fun doing the collab. I think next time we'll do something different. I'm thinking of moving the gags to the end of the video. There is a cross section of my subs who don't watch them. Sadly TH-cam removed my ability to provide an annotation "skip ahead" method.
So far you've saved me from buying a Pine64, and any of the Orange Pi boards. Unfortunately I bought one of these already. Hopefully Asus doesn't discontinue it, but I wonder how they think they'll make money from it. Their product lifecycle is only a few years which is hardly enough time to build a community.
Looks like it could be a solid option for custom laptop type devices or emulators if it gets the support of the Pi. The Pi 3 is good but just feels like it's lacking in power a little bit for the more demanding situations so it would be nice to have a more expensive but affordable and well supported option above it. I personally couldn't justify something like $100 on any of the other boards you have reviewed as I don't know enough to fix them if something goes wrong. The Pi is great as you can easily get help with it so if this board can get a similar following it's looking like a great option.
Thanks MickMake. Now I know I need to purchase a voltage and amperage meter. My Linaro-linux did load into the Tinkerboard memory for a month, but not anymore. I tried Buster-linux, Ambian-linux, and Android several times. None of these operating systems load into my Tinkerboard-S boards now. I am really disappointed that Tinkerboard-S is just unreliable for young people such as me. The failure of the boards to load a 5-step etched OS, the lack of support from the ASUS website, and the lack of local interest groups in the Tinkerboard, just means that young circuit board fans will move onto other small circuit boards from other SCB manufacturers.
I ask a similar question with a Orange Pi board and I guess the answer will be the same. Question: Could you run Raspberry Pi stuff on this and expect it to work the same but benefit from the faster system?
+Per Kroon Thanks mate. If ASUS can actually work on the updates and build that community, it'd be a pretty good product. It's almost what I'd expect from the Pi4.
Shame about the LAN misbehaving, I was curious about sustained transfer speeds (though I'd only expect 30-40MB/sec if it were using a USB drive, it'd still be 3-4x quicker than a Pi). Chris over at ExplainingComputers tried out various media playback software and did some temperature/stress testing a couple of weeks ago.
+Zane C For several reasons; * I can record my desktop easier than the screen of an SBC. * I use templates during video editing that automatically resize and shift the screen. * Often the default font size used on SBCs varies greatly. So, it's much easier to SSH in.
+someoneinthedark You can pick them up here. I'll have a review on this soon, (once I have my real unit and not using a borrowed one). shop.tektyte.com/products/log4-usb
Double the speed, double the price, 1/10th the ease of use. I must say, that given the RPi3 design is now several years old, comparisons with new models may not be fair anymore ... The RPi - for me at least- has some very big shoes to fill, that are supported by an enormous community behind it. Sure a F1 race car may be faster, but a regular daily driver is still a better car (bang for your buck).
+fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Ha ha. Was waiting for that! From what I've seen, it has 2x the performance across the board. Maybe I should add emulation tests to my followup review.
With a shitty locked system. And no software support. One of the biggest pi advantages are the debian software repos. Next one beeing the community support.
Valid point Mick, can I pick your brains for a second. I'm trying to find a board with a 64 bit arm soc that can run a 64 bit version of android. Most of the 64 bit tv boxes I've researched seem to be running 32 bit android on top of 64 bit soc hardware, so instead of a tv box I'm looking into buying an SBC, however most of the SBC I look at are using outdated GPUs and I need opengl ES3.0 as a minimum. So to recap, I need an SBC with a 64 bit SoC, a GPU that supports opengl ES3.0 and can run 64 bit Android (or a 64 bit linux if android is not an option).
ah. yet another pi board. I have a box using RK3288 and to tell the truth, this chip should be more powerful than it actually does. the chip has a very fierce parameter but feels lacking optimizing. Also, the chip is supposed to clocked at 1.8GHz, on which you may cook your egg. I don't know why, but I don't have confidence in SoC to drive SPI bus, I would rather like a MCU like arduino or sth.
All I'm interested in is whether the onboard audio (which Asus seems to regard as a selling point) can compete with the iQAudio Pi DAC+ - even if that's the case, I already have an RPi3 ready for its new hat and the community support for the Pi (and the numerous DAC HATs) is unbeatable. Thanks for the vid. iqaudio.co.uk/audio/8-pi-dac-0712411999643.html
+Arthur Watts Thanks mate. Yup, it's good to always have options. Wouldn't mind testing out the audio side on the SBCs, but I'd have to do it properly!
Projectile weapon: SD Socket. *card flies off screen*
Dying of laughter from that one, mate.
As soon as there's a RetroPi image for this, I'll bet it will become much more popular.
+Winston Smith
Yup, agreed. ASUS need to really work on building the community around this.
There never will be. This is a expensive paper weight! LibreElec is in alpha, Android is wonky, Linux is wonky, and the community is to small. I tried every OS and still its a bad board, get me right, its bad because of the software rockchips are just plain simple shit.
So glad you are covering all these new SOC's - keeps me in the loop! But I gotta say, being in (i guess?) Australia, it would be nice for you to post (OSD) the ambient temp of your room with your (OSD) cpu min/av/max readings. As you know, it is cpu temp minus ambient that gives expected temps for other environments. Bet you're feeling warmer than Sweden!
+Chris Trigg
Yup, there's always something I forget. The temp here was around 22C
Which part of Aus do you live in. I feel like 22C is really considered nice and even bit cold in Aus.
+Yong Zhong
In between summer and winter Australia has some pretty nice weather. 25C is the average, but last summer we saw it hit 50C in some states.
I wish there was a good laptop shell that provided the means of swapping out SoC boards on the whim.
NovaTech as special guest ? wow, nice :D
Hmm.... Looks like the TikerBoard still neds some tinkering from Asus's part, eh ? :D
As for your gag intro, i'm one of those that usually don't care about it and quickly jumps to the main content, so not having one this time did not hurt me, however i do understand those who do like those, so, in their name, please do continue. ;)
+Darth Killer
Yeah, it was fun doing the collab. I think next time we'll do something different.
I'm thinking of moving the gags to the end of the video. There is a cross section of my subs who don't watch them. Sadly TH-cam removed my ability to provide an annotation "skip ahead" method.
Great video guys
+paawansharmas
Thanks mate
So far you've saved me from buying a Pine64, and any of the Orange Pi boards. Unfortunately I bought one of these already. Hopefully Asus doesn't discontinue it, but I wonder how they think they'll make money from it. Their product lifecycle is only a few years which is hardly enough time to build a community.
+Scruggs
It's not a bad buy. Still a very decent board. There are far worse boards out there, (Pine64?!), so it could have been worse for you.
Looks like it could be a solid option for custom laptop type devices or emulators if it gets the support of the Pi. The Pi 3 is good but just feels like it's lacking in power a little bit for the more demanding situations so it would be nice to have a more expensive but affordable and well supported option above it. I personally couldn't justify something like $100 on any of the other boards you have reviewed as I don't know enough to fix them if something goes wrong. The Pi is great as you can easily get help with it so if this board can get a similar following it's looking like a great option.
+James Coyle
Yup and this is why the Pi is so good and is so difficult to dethrone. Not a bad thing as it is achieving its goal of educating people.
Which CSI camera are you using to test it with ? PI camera v1 doesn't work for me.
Thanks MickMake. Now I know I need to purchase a voltage and amperage meter. My Linaro-linux did load into the Tinkerboard memory for a month, but not anymore. I tried Buster-linux, Ambian-linux, and Android several times. None of these operating systems load into my Tinkerboard-S boards now. I am really disappointed that Tinkerboard-S is just unreliable for young people such as me. The failure of the boards to load a 5-step etched OS, the lack of support from the ASUS website, and the lack of local interest groups in the Tinkerboard, just means that young circuit board fans will move onto other small circuit boards from other SCB manufacturers.
Hi can You tell me how looks audio jack quality, in RPI3 is very poor,
I ask a similar question with a Orange Pi board and I guess the answer will be the same.
Question: Could you run Raspberry Pi stuff on this and expect it to work the same but benefit from the faster system?
+TheDutyPaid
Absolutely! Once the Ethernet driver is sorted out, it'll be a very nice board.
MickMake so just to confirm that you could put a noobs SD card in and be fine?
TheDutyPaid
Hmmm. More than likely no. There's still a lot that goes on under the hood that makes them different enough.
Good review, but that is normal when it comes to MickMake.
However the review made my plan for next purchase much harder.
+Per Kroon
Thanks mate. If ASUS can actually work on the updates and build that community, it'd be a pretty good product. It's almost what I'd expect from the Pi4.
Shame about the LAN misbehaving, I was curious about sustained transfer speeds (though I'd only expect 30-40MB/sec if it were using a USB drive, it'd still be 3-4x quicker than a Pi). Chris over at ExplainingComputers tried out various media playback software and did some temperature/stress testing a couple of weeks ago.
+Dant
I was hoping that Ethernet would be a bit more stable. It'd be nice to be able to use this as the heart of a NAS box.
Finally available in Edmonton Alta 89.00 $ CAN just hit a memory express location .
Which is that giant heatsink??! Someone pls tell which is the giant heatsink at 4:42?
you where talking about a mickmake mail episode that is not on your channel yet
You forgot to mention the cool silk screen colour :P
Yeah, It has a cool silk screen colour!
What is your review on Odroid C2/C1/XU4
+Anand Moon
I haven't yet, but I have ordered an XU4.
Looking forward.
I would have expected faster boot times with that high speed SD slot lol.
+Trystan Jones
Yeah, so would I.
Why do you always SSH into these computers instead of using them directly?
+Zane C
For several reasons;
* I can record my desktop easier than the screen of an SBC.
* I use templates during video editing that automatically resize and shift the screen.
* Often the default font size used on SBCs varies greatly.
So, it's much easier to SSH in.
Love the PCB color coding. All GPIO headers should be color coded.
anyone know where i can buy that power logger?
+someoneinthedark
You can pick them up here. I'll have a review on this soon, (once I have my real unit and not using a borrowed one).
shop.tektyte.com/products/log4-usb
Double the speed, double the price, 1/10th the ease of use. I must say, that given the RPi3 design is now several years old, comparisons with new models may not be fair anymore ... The RPi - for me at least- has some very big shoes to fill, that are supported by an enormous community behind it. Sure a F1 race car may be faster, but a regular daily driver is still a better car (bang for your buck).
+Richard T
Absolutely! ASUS are so far behind on this and have a lot of catching up to do. Remains to be seen if they can pull it off.
Mick! What know ye about mineral oil bath cooling for SBCs like this? Yes it's a thing, and at this SBCs price point, could be the go.
+Terry Gains
Yup, I've been considering doing a video on that.
wouldn't the fan be best off with a offset from the heat sink? it looks like the heat sink would be in the lee of the central section of the fan.
+Death OfTime
Yup, I was thinking that a more directed approach would avoid turbulence around the fins.
But does it run -crysis- an N64 emulator?
The pi3 can easily handle everything up to including PS1 but the N64 performance is just plain horrible.
+fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
Ha ha. Was waiting for that!
From what I've seen, it has 2x the performance across the board. Maybe I should add emulation tests to my followup review.
Good call, as many people buying these type of systems are looking at running emulators
Stig brought me here
+Divine Linker
Ha ha. Good on him!
but its only 32 bit cpu, you can buy a 64 bit android tv box with better specs for less.
With a shitty locked system. And no software support.
One of the biggest pi advantages are the debian software repos. Next one beeing the community support.
+TheWeepingCorpse
Yes true. Sadly not many GPIO options on those boxes.
Valid point Mick, can I pick your brains for a second. I'm trying to find a board with a 64 bit arm soc that can run a 64 bit version of android. Most of the 64 bit tv boxes I've researched seem to be running 32 bit android on top of 64 bit soc hardware, so instead of a tv box I'm looking into buying an SBC, however most of the SBC I look at are using outdated GPUs and I need opengl ES3.0 as a minimum. So to recap, I need an SBC with a 64 bit SoC, a GPU that supports opengl ES3.0 and can run 64 bit Android (or a 64 bit linux if android is not an option).
yes and youre stuck with android then, not what most people will use on this thing probably
ah. yet another pi board.
I have a box using RK3288 and to tell the truth, this chip should be more powerful than it actually does.
the chip has a very fierce parameter but feels lacking optimizing.
Also, the chip is supposed to clocked at 1.8GHz, on which you may cook your egg.
I don't know why, but I don't have confidence in SoC to drive SPI bus, I would rather like a MCU like arduino or sth.
+Zelra 仙賢戀軒
Yup, SPI on SBCs is a little flakey for the most part.
All I'm interested in is whether the onboard audio (which Asus seems to regard as a selling point) can compete with the iQAudio Pi DAC+ - even if that's the case, I already have an RPi3 ready for its new hat and the community support for the Pi (and the numerous DAC HATs) is unbeatable. Thanks for the vid.
iqaudio.co.uk/audio/8-pi-dac-0712411999643.html
+Arthur Watts
Thanks mate. Yup, it's good to always have options. Wouldn't mind testing out the audio side on the SBCs, but I'd have to do it properly!
undying design projectile SD card slot.. lol
Ha ha. Yup, they're really annoying aren't they
yeah thats why its a pie killer
I'm not sure it competes with Pi 3, it is almost double the price...
expousre!
White balance!
damn it ..... i wanted to be first !!
+fouzai alaa
Ha ha. Sorry about that