I'm amazed how the people behind this channel make such attractive fun animation while turning what could've been hours of lectures and studying into a 5-10 minute video
I’m genuinely amazed at how a person can consider these: - animations - attractive and fun - a substitute for actual learning But then again, no, no I am not amazed at all lol. Sorry folks, carry on with the numbskull cope.
While working on my Masters in Education, one faculty member told me that in his opinion, our schools were designed to babysit our kids so the parents can work.
I homeschooled my 7 children. We rarely worked more than 2 hours per day and we only schooled about 6 months/year on average. All are or will be college educated and will have become so without a single penny of debt. While in college, two of them have gotten jobs as tutors in a vain attempt to bring all the pitifully educated public school students up to speed. On girl of note was so uneducated that she literally didn’t know how to spell her own name. One of my daughters is currently the math tutor at our local junior college and she finds herself teaching long division to people trying to take college algebra. So yeah, for a huge number of students, public school is purely government funded daycare. For no less than 80% of students, we could graduate them somewhere between the 5th and 8th grades and lose nothing of value. In fact, if they were to get jobs they could actually contribute something substantial to the communities in which they live instead of sitting in “pre-jail” for 8 hours/day doing absolutely nothing except sucking up tax dollars as useless eaters.
This valuable experience of homeschooling your children needs to be written and published for all to read! Most of what I have learned , I learned through doing at work environment then complimenting that with additional reading at home.
@@richardblankenship5481 Thanks for mentioning time; I've always wondered that especially in light of the amount of time I saw wasted at school (as a teacher 20 yrs). I always wondered how the economics of a private tutor should work, and I'd have to say pretty well. My private school charges $275/day so starting from there the math looks good. Even at $80/hr a tutor could teach groups of 3 twice a day for 2 hrs and make a fine salary; this at a per diem cost of a lot of public schools.
@@richardblankenship5481 We homeschooled our kids, which meant the education never took a winter, spring, or summer break, kind of like life. But we spent maybe an hour a day on one-on-one academics, and the rest was pretty much on auto-pilot. 20 years later, and it was the best decision we made. All the kids are inquiring individuals always ready to investigate and debate, successful in their careers, and immunized to fallacies. What else can a parent hope for? Now they are doing the same with the grand-kids.
I recently left the classroom as an English teacher because 1) the instructional emphasis was on SAT prep 2) the school mission was rooted in platitudes and slogans that didn't align with true learning 3) teachers' jobs were inflated (calling parents daily, monitoring piles of data, policing corridors, etc.) while doing so at the same / lower salaries 4) students weren't required to actually read books or write papers. None of what Dewey envisioned was implemented. Students were seemingly being prepared to become "cogs" in the American industrial wheel; they were encouraged to go to college in order to find a job.
I find it utterly interesting and a bit paradoxical to see Dewey's progressive ideas presented through a short and well made lecture which utilizes state of the art instructional design. It really tells us that the art form of lecturing is rather timeless..
I am studying John Dewey's Philosophy. This video really makes me understand more clear on his principles, such attractive fun animation and clear explanation!
I've been studying with the traditional academia style from my chidhood and I think this was one of the reasons of my deep unhappiness everytime I had to go to the school, and I agree the system can be totally useless when it comes to study died things in only books and not providing experiential oportunities to learn for children. Its a very serious matter that I hope will dramatically change very soon. I adapted to the system and became succesful in the studies but I can tell not in life. Sharing my experience, all the best to you guys
among dozens of teachers only three have ever allowed us to discuss their subject and come up with new ideas, use our imagination and speak ourselves. others shut us up and neglected our opinions, saying we were too stupid or too lazy or other stuff. if we DID give out opinions, some of them even laughed at us and later used it against us in offensive jokes. so yeah, basically, 11 years of school was a hell for me and I'm glad I'm graduating this year
I developed an interest in educational philosophy after reading “Understanding Poverty”, although I know some educators aren’t fans of it. Just found your channel and lovin it! I saw a video of scientists being interviewed about their experiences with religion. Many became atheists or agnostics due to the rigidity of thought in the religions with which they were raised (some catholic). One scientist gave a pithy statement: “It’s better to have questions you can’t answer instead of answers you can’t question”. Dewey sounds like a very wise person, encouraging curiosity and questioning everything.
No linkage, only interest. Like the video described, here’s an interdisciplinary approach including statistics, neuroanatomy, sociology, and education. The book differentiates generational poverty from situational poverty. Keeping in mind that nature isn’t typically observed in absolutes - only bell curves described in standard deviations of probability so there’s always exceptions. Generational poverty is commonly thought of as a monetary problem. But the book points out many of the social ills of generational poverty are from poor decisions as opposed to lack of money. These bad decisions are passed from one generation to the next - making it generational. While being in possession of less money, this money is ironically more likely to be spent on unnecessary or harmful things including tobacco, alcohol, illegal drugs and tattoos instead of the most necessary things for survival. This is well known but not often discussed - which doesn’t help the problem. Decisions are made more with the amygdala / limbic system instead of the prefrontal cortex - meaning more decisions are made based on emotions instead of on reasoning. Thus, there’s more abuse, violence and crime - decisions that are harmful to oneself and others. This must be considered in the education of a child that can’t concentrate in school because their home life is in shambles. Whilst a college educated person may fall upon hard times (called situational poverty) they will have a lifetime of making fairly good decisions - studying hard, working hard, being responsible. It would be unusual for this type of person to purposely try to cause harm themselves or others. I was fascinated to hear how some groups such as priests and nuns may live near the poverty level but don’t have these problems showing that many problems with generational poverty have very little to do with money.
This video is amazing, it summarizes correctly Dewey's thoughts about education, it is a bittersweet feeling because many agree with his theory of learning while others do not, in my personal opinion for me since I was a child it has always been easier to learn with the practice of education than reading for hours thousands of pages, but it is true that not everything can be like that.
Im currently studying to become an elementary school teacher (age 7-10) and Im currently taking a course in development and education, in which teacher theories are being taught to us and your videos have been brought up as extra help to understand pragmatism, behaviourism, Vygotsky's theory and Piaget's theory. Its really good at explaining and giving examples. Keep up the amazing work
Uniforms are super cool, you don't have to think too much about dressing up, yet everyone has their unique touch to thy self. Everyone feels part of a pattern, group, in for what matters most.
Uniform can help less affluent student, whose limited in clothing choice, to blend in. It also involves enforcement of nitty-gritty rules such as length of hems, etc, etc. So on one hand it's a training for being responsible for you public appearance. Ideal is making informed choices, you learn to dress formal, as well as express yourself in casual smart, then choose the one more appropriate to your current situation. Uniforms, sadly, are corporate branding. No denying on modern education systems are commercialized. Any incident in public places, first question heard is more "Are they in school unforms?" than "Are the students hurt?".
I completely agree I went most my life to a British school and while we knew who was less well off by shoes, it was no where near the drama I saw in American high schools where cliques were so ingrained into how friendships were made divisively, not to mention by class lines. There was an enormous unity where I saw uniforms at play and more focus into learning. I wish we did it here
My private education was strictly academic but I think this made me a better reader/researcher/writer. Critical thinking, questioning authority and iconoclast manifesting had become my mission statement at a very young age.
When I went to school in the sixties, there was one program, one track, and it all revolved around completing workbooks, memorizing facts and spewing them back in exams, and in addition being judged on academic performance (if memorizing and spewing dates and other facts counts as performance), we were given a grade for "citizenship." A good grade in citizenship meant you didn't give the teachers any trouble: you had learned to go along to get along. A bad grade meant you were Trouble, and got a lot of negative attention from the vice principal. I spent most of school, particularly middle school, in terror of making someone mad, or being different. It was a hateful experience.
I completed my schooling in 2020 and how ironic it doesn't get better even after 60 years haha. More or less same experience for me as well, it was like they have a job of handling inmates and to train them for being an obedient employee without any critical thinking/ authentic views. It was so frustrating and am glad that I'm at least out of that phase now.
I have been looking for this man. I tried it hard to grasp his understanding on education and his contribution too. Thank you so much for this, Sprout!
Dewey's influence has actually led to an erosion of standards in education. If a school becomes a 'playground' as Dewey argued, the kids will mostly follow their own interests. Today this amounts to social media, gossip etc. If they are going to learn crucial skills like literacy, numeracy etc then they need to be instructed. Very few children take an intuitive interest in these things.
So when your solution is to pay teachers better, your argument is actually that higher pay will replace bad teachers? In other words, that bad teachers are the problem?
@@ozzy5146 Teachers have responsabilities outside of their jobs, families, children, debts, etc. Some teachers are "bad" beacause of a lack of interest or care but others are "bad" because they are having problems dealing with issues outside their jobs, a better salary could help them to make things less stressful in their private life. In other words: if a job is well paid is less likely that external issues diminish the performance of an employee.
@@ozzy5146 I think @Avni meant that the job of being a teacher should be paid more to encourage more people to get into the field making it more competitive and so more better teachers will be able to be teaching in school. So I think it's just a misunderstanding, either way, I think you could've approached the argument more politely by trying to make it clear or asking the other end to make their opinion clearer rather than accusing the argument of being silly.
@@JARZR Well, I think your point is valid, but it doesn't affect the teacher's performance as much, I don't think underpaying teachers justifies teachers not doing their best. (I have also addressed a more prominent effect of increasing pay for teachers in my reply to @Ozzy)
I've heard the old saying, learning at youth like carving in the stone while learning at older age is like writing in the water. Children are fast memorizing and imitating they are not best at comprehension generally speaking. While adult is quick in comprehension. Trying to get a discussion going between teenager age 12 - 15 is way harder than one might even think.
Hands on Learning is very important. Most Engg. graduates today ,I found as a recruiter& trainer, that they have only theoretical & little practical knowledge. That too, they have forgotten what they read(not studied) in the 1st year during the 2nd year!!!!
My school was too crowded for everyone to flourish . I have not seen any change in the last 50 years since I graduated. RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS MUCH NEEDED NOW! I re-educated my self after I turned 35. It took me 17 years to realize how little they thought me.
The biggest problems are time and class size. In higher grade levels many teachers spend a lot of material that should've been covered in previous school years. Like a house, when a child has weak foundation you cannot build on top of it. Class sizes are often very high, sticking forty students at a time with one teacher leaves little time for individualization. Make elementary, middle, high schools interlinked...they could be in separate buildings but there needs to be a dialogue between the three. Cut down on testing and fund schools through summer (the summer break can be cut down to two weeks). Cut class sizes at 24 students regardless of grade level. Bring in more electives (culinary, auto shop, etc) that cater the student interests. Of course all of this requires more funding, but there would be better results.
When I went to school, in the 1960s and 70s, class sizes were around 25 kids. The industrial arts as well as home economics were a big part of the curriculum. Upon graduating, we had what they called at the time, basic competency tests. Oddly, the taxes required then were a pittance compared to today. Maybe the answer is to go back to that style schooling instead of having two administrators per student?
I don't agree that even more government Spartan camp school is the answer. You are saying it doesn't work now, so let's do more of it by killing summer? Yay! Now let's kill Santa...
This is brilliant and sums up all the best bits about Dewey and his thoughts on education. I haven't looked but about to and see if you have done a follow on to Pragmatism that you hinted upon in the last few moments. Good stuff and keep up the great work.
My experience as a teacher in the UK, was that trying such innovative ideas got me into trouble. Almost universally, head teachers are obsessed with order and control. Effective education is a poor third. But Finland seems to have taken some notice, and the idea of rules by student/staff consensus rather than top down imposed was practiced by a few schools for severely disturbed children in the UK, and in Russia (Kitezh, a community of foster families).
Actually, the result was he got students not to think. When student lacked pressure and could make concensus decisions, they usually avoided learning. The response was to lower the grading bar so students would pass, and they just kept lowering the bar until today which is why we are getting students who made straight A's in high school and can't pass a college entrance exam.
He has written with his own hand that the children should not become educated to the degree where they can think for themselves. His job was design a school day where the children would be prepared to work in factories and respond to bells and follow instructions. He was a reformer when the U.S. population was at its HIGHEST rate of literacy (90%) which was NOT what those in power wanted. Not a hero but a monster.
That's highlighted about making moments count rather than preparing for adult life. I think school indoctrinated me to think like that, and so I'm not living in the present and satisfied with my life. What an eye opener. These are really useful and we'll thought out videos! 🙂
Thank you. I didn't realize Dewey had this educational philosophy. It's the philosophy I followed teaching high school Ag and multiple subjects in a K-8 charter school.
I only experienced Dewy’s ideas of participatory learning twice. Once in elementary school when we made posters for a function assembly line style and once in high school when we dissected rats.
Learning by doing is really effective in some areas. In the past decades we were thought to imagine things to learn but now atleast students experience how to actually do things
Learn by doing? Only when baking a pie or sewing a nightgown in Home Ec. Oh, and choir or piano practice in music class. And art class...that too. That was it. Otherwise, the approach was learn by abstract imagining where I guess my teacher hoped we would somehow get it.
I still on board for a mixture of pedagogies. If using his theory in total: 1. Limited knowledge could be gained and imparted. 2. Areas with limited adult's supervision/guidance may result in some problems. 3. Students with different and multiple backgrounds may have different learning experience. Same task but for poor and uncared kids, might be able to do much.
I did learn by doing, and this includes abstract math. Even at the PhD level, I found doing example math problems necessary. However, office hours w a professor are equally necessary. A mulri-prong approach if you will. I don't necessarily agree all Dewy's ideas such as gearing public school for those least likely to learn, but i accept most of his tenants.
In following your train of thought, I was struck by the evolutionary process, here. Newton built on Kepler, Galileo, Copernicus, et. al.; Einstein built on Newton; Bohr built upon Einstein; Hawking built upon Einstein and Bohr's argumentation over quantum mechanics. They weren't 'adding on' by intent so much as by trying to tear open the gaps in the theories of their mentors. This process was frequently inspired by a confrontational approach that has always been inherent to the scientific process (and despised by those who prefer more dogmatic instruction methods). Dewey harnessed this approach for "young person" education, but softened it with a more inclusive attitude, as he no doubt understood the dichotomy of young minds that are in varying stages of physical development (as well as more deferential/less self-confident) while at the same time more likely to question authority figures of prior generations - at least in their own minds.
A lot of this get's referenced for children. How are these applied to adult learning? I enjoy the video's Sprouts offers, but I find very little apply-able in my own life, especially as I'm becoming an adult student this year.
There is literally no difference for adults when it comes to learning. Learning works the same for children and adults. Study, experiment, observe, conclude, connect, discuss, etc, etc. What works for children, works for adults. Adults actually have a chance to learn far better because they can integrate new material to a lot of their life experience and knowledge they've gained, making the ideas stick better and have more meaning. If you can't use your time at work to learn, do it at home or during commute. Time and effort are all you need. If you want to learn math for example, even with good time dedication it will take you 4 years to cover pretty much all the subjects that exist to an intermediate level. If you want to learn sciences it will be a bit harder because of lack of equipment but there is a chance there are workshops out there you could go to. If you want to write better, then write and analyze, both your works, and the works of others, both the good and the bad to learn the DOs and DON'Ts. If you want something more artistic, you just need to do it. The only problems adults face are adult time consuming tasks. But the learning process doesn't change. Everything you see applicable to children in these videos, applies to everyone :]
@@SiMeGamer Totally, agree. Also, no more crowded and noisy classrooms full of people distracting you and making fun of you, no more grades, comparisons of evaluation scores, exams, teachers calling out your name when you don't want to talk or don't know the answer to that stupid question because it required you to memorize, no more of their facial expressions oozing of disappointment laced with disapproval when you can't answer it, no more eyes averting you because you failed to do give the correct response, no more being ignored because some authority figure, the keeper of knowledge deems you unworthy. If that sounded resentful, that's because I am. However, being resentful like that won't help me learn. Therefore, I should enjoy the perks of learning as an adult and that I no longer have to deal with the dead weight and instead only, purely, finally I can learn whatever it is that I want to learn. Like the video points out, for some (maybe "a lot of" I don't know) people their time was wasted at school, and for some others yet, education was turned to torture. Now that we are free and have the resources, we should not repeat what was done to us before and not waste our time. That is the first thing that needs to be learn: Our learning time is precious because we pay for it with moments of our lives.
@@michaelterrell5061 Depends on what you call "young". My last stint in college I was in my 40's. If I could afford it, I'd take classes the rest of my life!
I don't disagree with you me too, but school in the last 20 years WERE NOT using this model. Imagine how much you would have learned combined with your outside of school exploits.
It is interesting to me that compulsory education is the norm in every nation regardless of the political ideology of the regime compelling it, and the fundamental lessons imposed are conformity of thought, along with uniform respect and fealty for 'Educators' authority and that of the regime in power.
I do believe we ought to plot a new education model, perhaps inspired by the ancient Greeks. A model where we prepare humans to become utterly free and fulfilled. To do so we have to drive our education programs towards a much more eclectic and interdisciplinary syllabus.
Luis Atilano: This response is a year late, so you may not see it. But, if you do, I've been studying Educational Scholarship and Systems, moving towards a PhD in Research; and I couldn't agree more. Starting with a more Aristotlean model may not make everyone feel equal, but it will provide differentiated learning that matches not only the talents and abilities of each student. It will also match students to teachers to support learning strategies, styles, pacing, and give them more control over the speed at which students can cover the curriculum. Teachers unions hate this idea, so they'd really hate the idea of this method being used to curate teaching staff and give them the possibility of doing more And making more money based on their abilities and performance, as well as student achievement. School Choice needs to become a right. The teacher's unions must be destroyed and re-organized. The curriculum has to have a complete reboot. Unfortunately, the very group preventing All of the above are teachers and their unions. But, one we're at the reboot point, definitely go back to the Greco-Roman model. It's our best chance for the future generations to escape what's been done to Gen Y and Z
Learning by doing is indeed helpful for students. It helps them to experience and apply the lesson taught in the class. However,by doing so,It takes too much time and resoource to apply learning by teaching in real class. However,from i've experienced, i only able to apply the technique only quarter of my total teaching session per semester.
education was like that in east-germany in the 80s. i took class 1-9 there. the last years i spent in westgermany, were it was almost multiple choice only. so, ... in my case the answer is "yes", but in most cases it´s "no" i guess. thank you very much for sharing.
Thanks, well done Sprouts and the visuals are just amazing. Dewey's theory is certainly viable if there is proper funding for Education. It It is therefore easier to implement in a private school setting as compared to a public school one. A critic would be: how possible is it to find enough time within the term to implement the learning by doing eg planting and watching plants grow while at the same time covering the required syllabus?. For the discussions it is important that some teacher instructions and prior reading and research happens before for the discussion/debate to be meaningful enough to sprout out new perspectives and ideas. For the interdisciplinary aspect to work, very strong school leadership is essential as well as a strong teamwork culture among staff as it would require a lot of sharing, consultations, planning and constant reviews.
It is true that school has made great progress in teaching and learning methodology. However, many schools are still, one way or another in a Teaching Paradigm.
Some things just have to be learned by rote,wrote,roat? Examples: spelling, times tables, penmanship. Hopefully teachers make things fun most of the time.
Penmanship isn't taught now that we have computers. Spelling? Spell check on the computer fixes that for them. My sister teaches music at the elementary level. She told me she has kids in Kindergarten who cannot name colors! Can't count to ten! These are kids in regular classrooms, too, not special education.
Gracias Sprouts for estos excelentes vídeos pues permiten comprender las ideas de gente como Dewey en una manera divertida y fácil; lamentablemente, yo estudié en forma tradicional y los cursos pedagógicos los recibí sin comprender nada y sin relacionar con que deseaba poner en práctica estas ideas.
Hi Sprouts. I just wanted to ask if I can insert this video in a part of explaining learning by doing only to my video presentation. Our video presentation will be uploaded here in youtube as well but I'll make sure to insert the link of this video to the description as a reference. Can I?
I wish schools taught for the future. It feels like they're preparing elementary kids for the most basic aspects of society, and for the obscure trivia gameshow! where four wrong answers means you're not getting that peice of paper important to getting a stable source of income.....or..... important to gain access to the specific trivia gameshow! Where you need to pay an extortionate amount of money, and you pay for each time you play, but you usally need to play multiple times to get a peice of paper.... to roll the magic dice and make a decent income, as long as you roll a 6. Do you see the problem here?
recipient of a public school education here, 80's and 90's...I remember group work and projects but the look of the classroom spaces were still very traditional and used more often. When I watched this video I wondered what a truly interdisciplinary experiential school would physically look like. I don't think it would have rows of desks facing the blackboard as the main part of the classroom! On the other hand it looks like a lot of work for one teacher and 26 students. Anyone know any real places that do this? Sounds a lot like Montessori?
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I'm amazed how the people behind this channel make such attractive fun animation while turning what could've been hours of lectures and studying into a 5-10 minute video
True 🔥
Yep. I'm reading Dewey's "Experiences & education" at the moment. It's a short read but dry compared to this amazing synopsis.
I’m genuinely amazed at how a person can consider these:
- animations
- attractive and fun
- a substitute for actual learning
But then again, no, no I am not amazed at all lol. Sorry folks, carry on with the numbskull cope.
seriously!! Grateful for this channel!!
While working on my Masters in Education, one faculty member told me that in his opinion, our schools were designed to babysit our kids so the parents can work.
I homeschooled my 7 children. We rarely worked more than 2 hours per day and we only schooled about 6 months/year on average. All are or will be college educated and will have become so without a single penny of debt. While in college, two of them have gotten jobs as tutors in a vain attempt to bring all the pitifully educated public school students up to speed.
On girl of note was so uneducated that she literally didn’t know how to spell her own name.
One of my daughters is currently the math tutor at our local junior college and she finds herself teaching long division to people trying to take college algebra.
So yeah, for a huge number of students, public school is purely government funded daycare.
For no less than 80% of students, we could graduate them somewhere between the 5th and 8th grades and lose nothing of value. In fact, if they were to get jobs they could actually contribute something substantial to the communities in which they live instead of sitting in “pre-jail” for 8 hours/day doing absolutely nothing except sucking up tax dollars as useless eaters.
But where would they procure their drugs, learn about porn, and learn the rule of the jungle
This valuable experience of homeschooling your children needs to be written and published for all to read! Most of what I have learned , I learned through doing at work environment then complimenting that with additional reading at home.
@@richardblankenship5481 Thanks for mentioning time; I've always wondered that especially in light of the amount of time I saw wasted at school (as a teacher 20 yrs). I always wondered how the economics of a private tutor should work, and I'd have to say pretty well. My private school charges $275/day so starting from there the math looks good. Even at $80/hr a tutor could teach groups of 3 twice a day for 2 hrs and make a fine salary; this at a per diem cost of a lot of public schools.
@@richardblankenship5481 We homeschooled our kids, which meant the education never took a winter, spring, or summer break, kind of like life. But we spent maybe an hour a day on one-on-one academics, and the rest was pretty much on auto-pilot. 20 years later, and it was the best decision we made. All the kids are inquiring individuals always ready to investigate and debate, successful in their careers, and immunized to fallacies. What else can a parent hope for? Now they are doing the same with the grand-kids.
I recently left the classroom as an English teacher because 1) the instructional emphasis was on SAT prep 2) the school mission was rooted in platitudes and slogans that didn't align with true learning 3) teachers' jobs were inflated (calling parents daily, monitoring piles of data, policing corridors, etc.) while doing so at the same / lower salaries 4) students weren't required to actually read books or write papers. None of what Dewey envisioned was implemented. Students were seemingly being prepared to become "cogs" in the American industrial wheel; they were encouraged to go to college in order to find a job.
I find it utterly interesting and a bit paradoxical to see Dewey's progressive ideas presented through a short and well made lecture which utilizes state of the art instructional design. It really tells us that the art form of lecturing is rather timeless..
Wow. A week of lecture had just cut into a 5minute video. Great job.
I can't believe this was only 5 minutes . It was so comprehensive
I am studying John Dewey's Philosophy. This video really makes me understand more clear on his principles, such attractive fun animation and clear explanation!
I agree
I've been studying with the traditional academia style from my chidhood and I think this was one of the reasons of my deep unhappiness everytime I had to go to the school, and I agree the system can be totally useless when it comes to study died things in only books and not providing experiential oportunities to learn for children. Its a very serious matter that I hope will dramatically change very soon. I adapted to the system and became succesful in the studies but I can tell not in life. Sharing my experience, all the best to you guys
Hands on experiments can also be pointless and banal. I would prefer the textbooks.
1) learn by doing
2) discussion
3) interactive
4) interdisciplinary
To be honest , this channel keeps blowing my mind
among dozens of teachers only three have ever allowed us to discuss their subject and come up with new ideas, use our imagination and speak ourselves. others shut us up and neglected our opinions, saying we were too stupid or too lazy or other stuff. if we DID give out opinions, some of them even laughed at us and later used it against us in offensive jokes. so yeah, basically, 11 years of school was a hell for me and I'm glad I'm graduating this year
I developed an interest in educational philosophy after reading “Understanding Poverty”, although I know some educators aren’t fans of it. Just found your channel and lovin it!
I saw a video of scientists being interviewed about their experiences with religion. Many became atheists or agnostics due to the rigidity of thought in the religions with which they were raised (some catholic). One scientist gave a pithy statement: “It’s better to have questions you can’t answer instead of answers you can’t question”. Dewey sounds like a very wise person, encouraging curiosity and questioning everything.
No linkage, only interest. Like the video described, here’s an interdisciplinary approach including statistics, neuroanatomy, sociology, and education. The book differentiates generational poverty from situational poverty. Keeping in mind that nature isn’t typically observed in absolutes - only bell curves described in standard deviations of probability so there’s always exceptions. Generational poverty is commonly thought of as a monetary problem. But the book points out many of the social ills of generational poverty are from poor decisions as opposed to lack of money. These bad decisions are passed from one generation to the next - making it generational. While being in possession of less money, this money is ironically more likely to be spent on unnecessary or harmful things including tobacco, alcohol, illegal drugs and tattoos instead of the most necessary things for survival. This is well known but not often discussed - which doesn’t help the problem. Decisions are made more with the amygdala / limbic system instead of the prefrontal cortex - meaning more decisions are made based on emotions instead of on reasoning. Thus, there’s more abuse, violence and crime - decisions that are harmful to oneself and others. This must be considered in the education of a child that can’t concentrate in school because their home life is in shambles. Whilst a college educated person may fall upon hard times (called situational poverty) they will have a lifetime of making fairly good decisions - studying hard, working hard, being responsible. It would be unusual for this type of person to purposely try to cause harm themselves or others. I was fascinated to hear how some groups such as priests and nuns may live near the poverty level but don’t have these problems showing that many problems with generational poverty have very little to do with money.
ELDII
-experiential learning
-discussion
-interactive
-interdisciplinary
This video is amazing, it summarizes correctly Dewey's thoughts about education, it is a bittersweet feeling because many agree with his theory of learning while others do not, in my personal opinion for me since I was a child it has always been easier to learn with the practice of education than reading for hours thousands of pages, but it is true that not everything can be like that.
Im currently studying to become an elementary school teacher (age 7-10) and Im currently taking a course in development and education, in which teacher theories are being taught to us and your videos have been brought up as extra help to understand pragmatism, behaviourism, Vygotsky's theory and Piaget's theory. Its really good at explaining and giving examples. Keep up the amazing work
Uniforms are super cool, you don't have to think too much about dressing up, yet everyone has their unique touch to thy self. Everyone feels part of a pattern, group, in for what matters most.
Uniform can help less affluent student, whose limited in clothing choice, to blend in. It also involves enforcement of nitty-gritty rules such as length of hems, etc, etc. So on one hand it's a training for being responsible for you public appearance. Ideal is making informed choices, you learn to dress formal, as well as express yourself in casual smart, then choose the one more appropriate to your current situation.
Uniforms, sadly, are corporate branding. No denying on modern education systems are commercialized. Any incident in public places, first question heard is more "Are they in school unforms?" than "Are the students hurt?".
I completely agree I went most my life to a British school and while we knew who was less well off by shoes, it was no where near the drama I saw in American high schools where cliques were so ingrained into how friendships were made divisively, not to mention by class lines.
There was an enormous unity where I saw uniforms at play and more focus into learning. I wish we did it here
My private education was strictly academic but I think this made me a better reader/researcher/writer. Critical thinking, questioning authority and iconoclast manifesting had become my mission statement at a very young age.
When I went to school in the sixties, there was one program, one track, and it all revolved around completing workbooks, memorizing facts and spewing them back in exams, and in addition being judged on academic performance (if memorizing and spewing dates and other facts counts as performance), we were given a grade for "citizenship." A good grade in citizenship meant you didn't give the teachers any trouble: you had learned to go along to get along. A bad grade meant you were Trouble, and got a lot of negative attention from the vice principal. I spent most of school, particularly middle school, in terror of making someone mad, or being different. It was a hateful experience.
I completed my schooling in 2020 and how ironic it doesn't get better even after 60 years haha.
More or less same experience for me as well, it was like they have a job of handling inmates and to train them for being an obedient employee without any critical thinking/ authentic views. It was so frustrating and am glad that I'm at least out of that phase now.
@@shubham2516 I think now that it's up to us to make the life we want to live; no one else will do it. That only took me most of a lifetime to learn.
I have been looking for this man. I tried it hard to grasp his understanding on education and his contribution too.
Thank you so much for this, Sprout!
Very welcome. Keep learning ;)
This. This is what education should be. If only it were like this, students would be happier and enjoy learning and actually increase their knowledge.
Dewey's influence has actually led to an erosion of standards in education. If a school becomes a 'playground' as Dewey argued, the kids will mostly follow their own interests. Today this amounts to social media, gossip etc. If they are going to learn crucial skills like literacy, numeracy etc then they need to be instructed. Very few children take an intuitive interest in these things.
Your art and constant building upon characters kept me engaged. Lol loved it
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Great presentation
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Wow imagine a world where teachers are paid well and quality education is given importance.
So when your solution is to pay teachers better, your argument is actually that higher pay will replace bad teachers? In other words, that bad teachers are the problem?
@@ozzy5146 Teachers have responsabilities outside of their jobs, families, children, debts, etc. Some teachers are "bad" beacause of a lack of interest or care but others are "bad" because they are having problems dealing with issues outside their jobs, a better salary could help them to make things less stressful in their private life.
In other words: if a job is well paid is less likely that external issues diminish the performance of an employee.
@@JARZR wow wut a silly argument: that individual teachers improve with a little more money. SHOOOR!
@@ozzy5146 I think @Avni meant that the job of being a teacher should be paid more to encourage more people to get into the field making it more competitive and so more better teachers will be able to be teaching in school. So I think it's just a misunderstanding, either way, I think you could've approached the argument more politely by trying to make it clear or asking the other end to make their opinion clearer rather than accusing the argument of being silly.
@@JARZR Well, I think your point is valid, but it doesn't affect the teacher's performance as much, I don't think underpaying teachers justifies teachers not doing their best. (I have also addressed a more prominent effect of increasing pay for teachers in my reply to @Ozzy)
I've heard the old saying, learning at youth like carving in the stone while learning at older age is like writing in the water. Children are fast memorizing and imitating they are not best at comprehension generally speaking. While adult is quick in comprehension. Trying to get a discussion going between teenager age 12 - 15 is way harder than one might even think.
Hands on Learning is very important. Most Engg. graduates today ,I found as a recruiter& trainer, that they have only theoretical & little practical knowledge. That too, they have forgotten what they read(not studied) in the 1st year during the 2nd year!!!!
I wish I had seen this video sooner, in life "learning by doing" is so much better.
Pure Genius of simple descriptions of how Actual Intelligence is applied in Reality. Thanks to John Dewey.
thanks for creating such beautiful piece on dewey!
My school was too crowded for everyone to flourish . I have not seen any change in the last 50 years since I graduated.
RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS MUCH NEEDED NOW!
I re-educated my self after I turned 35. It took me 17 years to realize how little they thought me.
The biggest problems are time and class size. In higher grade levels many teachers spend a lot of material that should've been covered in previous school years. Like a house, when a child has weak foundation you cannot build on top of it. Class sizes are often very high, sticking forty students at a time with one teacher leaves little time for individualization. Make elementary, middle, high schools interlinked...they could be in separate buildings but there needs to be a dialogue between the three. Cut down on testing and fund schools through summer (the summer break can be cut down to two weeks). Cut class sizes at 24 students regardless of grade level. Bring in more electives (culinary, auto shop, etc) that cater the student interests. Of course all of this requires more funding, but there would be better results.
When I went to school, in the 1960s and 70s, class sizes were around 25 kids. The industrial arts as well as home economics were a big part of the curriculum. Upon graduating, we had what they called at the time, basic competency tests. Oddly, the taxes required then were a pittance compared to today.
Maybe the answer is to go back to that style schooling instead of having two administrators per student?
I don't agree that even more government Spartan camp school is the answer. You are saying it doesn't work now, so let's do more of it by killing summer? Yay! Now let's kill Santa...
This is brilliant and sums up all the best bits about Dewey and his thoughts on education. I haven't looked but about to and see if you have done a follow on to Pragmatism that you hinted upon in the last few moments. Good stuff and keep up the great work.
Pascal Gaggeli including the whole teams deserves a great round of Applause
Thanks a lot!
Most welcome!
My experience as a teacher in the UK, was that trying such innovative ideas got me into trouble. Almost universally, head teachers are obsessed with order and control. Effective education is a poor third. But Finland seems to have taken some notice, and the idea of rules by student/staff consensus rather than top down imposed was practiced by a few schools for severely disturbed children in the UK, and in Russia (Kitezh, a community of foster families).
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Absolutely well done and definitely keep it up!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
As with almost all educational reformers, he was largely ignored. He threatened the status quo, and dared to encourage the children to ... THINK!
How so? If he wanted them to think, surely he would have led by example.
Actually, the result was he got students not to think. When student lacked pressure and could make concensus decisions, they usually avoided learning. The response was to lower the grading bar so students would pass, and they just kept lowering the bar until today which is why we are getting students who made straight A's in high school and can't pass a college entrance exam.
He has written with his own hand that the children should not become educated to the degree where they can think for themselves. His job was design a school day where the children would be prepared to work in factories and respond to bells and follow instructions. He was a reformer when the U.S. population was at its HIGHEST rate of literacy (90%) which was NOT what those in power wanted. Not a hero but a monster.
Thanks for them, our schools do exactly the opposite 😂😤
Great job Sprouts ❤
Yes most do. So sad!
Well that's out the window now. I just moved out of Seattle where the school system is about what to think and who to hate.
That's highlighted about making moments count rather than preparing for adult life. I think school indoctrinated me to think like that, and so I'm not living in the present and satisfied with my life. What an eye opener. These are really useful and we'll thought out videos! 🙂
The information is very educative and precise
Thank you. I didn't realize Dewey had this educational philosophy. It's the philosophy I followed teaching high school Ag and multiple subjects in a K-8 charter school.
I only experienced Dewy’s ideas of participatory learning twice. Once in elementary school when we made posters for a function assembly line style and once in high school when we dissected rats.
Learning by doing is really effective in some areas. In the past decades we were thought to imagine things to learn but now atleast students experience how to actually do things
Doing without thinking is Nazism
I think John Dewey’s ideas are the best of learning strategies.
Wonderful video. Thanks for sharing. Great philosophy.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Learn by doing? Only when baking a pie or sewing a nightgown in Home Ec. Oh, and choir or piano practice in music class. And art class...that too. That was it. Otherwise, the approach was learn by abstract imagining where I guess my teacher hoped we would somehow get it.
I was homeschooled via the Abeka Homeschool program. I got to do all sorts of things to apply what I learned.
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Thank you for the short and sweet video. It is much more understandable for hours of reading.
Please keep up creating such content
Dewey was great person!
I still on board for a mixture of pedagogies. If using his theory in total:
1. Limited knowledge could be gained and imparted.
2. Areas with limited adult's supervision/guidance may result in some problems.
3. Students with different and multiple backgrounds may have different learning experience. Same task but for poor and uncared kids, might be able to do much.
Wow! Isn't it great. John Dewey's ideas brought us to where we are now. Just great.
Lol
Every video on this channel is a useful crash course. Thank you so much
Welcome 🙏
Can you do one on Bertrand Russell on his educational beliefs
I did learn by doing, and this includes abstract math. Even at the PhD level, I found doing example math problems necessary. However, office hours w a professor are equally necessary. A mulri-prong approach if you will. I don't necessarily agree all Dewy's ideas such as gearing public school for those least likely to learn, but i accept most of his tenants.
In following your train of thought, I was struck by the evolutionary process, here. Newton built on Kepler, Galileo, Copernicus, et. al.; Einstein built on Newton; Bohr built upon Einstein; Hawking built upon Einstein and Bohr's argumentation over quantum mechanics. They weren't 'adding on' by intent so much as by trying to tear open the gaps in the theories of their mentors. This process was frequently inspired by a confrontational approach that has always been inherent to the scientific process (and despised by those who prefer more dogmatic instruction methods). Dewey harnessed this approach for "young person" education, but softened it with a more inclusive attitude, as he no doubt understood the dichotomy of young minds that are in varying stages of physical development (as well as more deferential/less self-confident) while at the same time more likely to question authority figures of prior generations - at least in their own minds.
A lot of this get's referenced for children. How are these applied to adult learning? I enjoy the video's Sprouts offers, but I find very little apply-able in my own life, especially as I'm becoming an adult student this year.
There is literally no difference for adults when it comes to learning. Learning works the same for children and adults. Study, experiment, observe, conclude, connect, discuss, etc, etc. What works for children, works for adults. Adults actually have a chance to learn far better because they can integrate new material to a lot of their life experience and knowledge they've gained, making the ideas stick better and have more meaning. If you can't use your time at work to learn, do it at home or during commute. Time and effort are all you need. If you want to learn math for example, even with good time dedication it will take you 4 years to cover pretty much all the subjects that exist to an intermediate level. If you want to learn sciences it will be a bit harder because of lack of equipment but there is a chance there are workshops out there you could go to. If you want to write better, then write and analyze, both your works, and the works of others, both the good and the bad to learn the DOs and DON'Ts. If you want something more artistic, you just need to do it.
The only problems adults face are adult time consuming tasks. But the learning process doesn't change. Everything you see applicable to children in these videos, applies to everyone :]
@@SiMeGamer thanks for that. Funny cause I am learning science so some of it can be a bit more abstract but a lot can employ practical applications!
@@SiMeGamer Totally, agree. Also, no more crowded and noisy classrooms full of people distracting you and making fun of you, no more grades, comparisons of evaluation scores, exams, teachers calling out your name when you don't want to talk or don't know the answer to that stupid question because it required you to memorize, no more of their facial expressions oozing of disappointment laced with disapproval when you can't answer it, no more eyes averting you because you failed to do give the correct response, no more being ignored because some authority figure, the keeper of knowledge deems you unworthy. If that sounded resentful, that's because I am.
However, being resentful like that won't help me learn. Therefore, I should enjoy the perks of learning as an adult and that I no longer have to deal with the dead weight and instead only, purely, finally I can learn whatever it is that I want to learn. Like the video points out, for some (maybe "a lot of" I don't know) people their time was wasted at school, and for some others yet, education was turned to torture. Now that we are free and have the resources, we should not repeat what was done to us before and not waste our time. That is the first thing that needs to be learn: Our learning time is precious because we pay for it with moments of our lives.
What’s more is that adult students are all usually rather young themselves are they not?
@@michaelterrell5061 Depends on what you call "young". My last stint in college I was in my 40's. If I could afford it, I'd take classes the rest of my life!
Informative and useful as Always 👍
If kids today could learn to make a coherent argument at all, I'd be amazed!
School was a nightmare for me. I learned more out of school
Me too
Me too
I don't disagree with you me too, but school in the last 20 years WERE NOT using this model. Imagine how much you would have learned combined with your outside of school exploits.
Thank you for doing this amazing job Sprouts!
Very helpful for me and saving me a lot of time too.
Brilliant. Thank you for taking the time to create this. Really good stuff.
It is interesting to me that compulsory education is the norm in every nation regardless of the political ideology of the regime compelling it, and the fundamental lessons imposed are conformity of thought, along with uniform respect and fealty for 'Educators' authority and that of the regime in power.
Our education system whether basic or higher needs an overhaul. It's messed up right now.
I feel so grateful because I found this amazing channel with this wonderful videos that I need in my life. ❤
Learning is a blast.
Super illustration. Thank you
I do believe we ought to plot a new education model, perhaps inspired by the ancient Greeks. A model where we prepare humans to become utterly free and fulfilled. To do so we have to drive our education programs towards a much more eclectic and interdisciplinary syllabus.
Luis Atilano: This response is a year late, so you may not see it. But, if you do, I've been studying Educational Scholarship and Systems, moving towards a PhD in Research; and I couldn't agree more.
Starting with a more Aristotlean model may not make everyone feel equal, but it will provide differentiated learning that matches not only the talents and abilities of each student. It will also match students to teachers to support learning strategies, styles, pacing, and give them more control over the speed at which students can cover the curriculum.
Teachers unions hate this idea, so they'd really hate the idea of this method being used to curate teaching staff and give them the possibility of doing more And making more money based on their abilities and performance, as well as student achievement.
School Choice needs to become a right. The teacher's unions must be destroyed and re-organized. The curriculum has to have a complete reboot. Unfortunately, the very group preventing All of the above are teachers and their unions.
But, one we're at the reboot point, definitely go back to the Greco-Roman model. It's our best chance for the future generations to escape what's been done to Gen Y and Z
These had been also my thoughts for the past year and I would love to see an education revolution, unlucky that I dont know how to start it :'(
Thank you for this shirt video, it really helps me trying to get through Dewey's texts! I am writing my pedagogy vision, which is influenced by Dewey!
Gratitude
We become what we are in spite of the education we receive.
Learning by doing is indeed helpful for students. It helps them to experience and apply the lesson taught in the class. However,by doing so,It takes too much time and resoource to apply learning by teaching in real class. However,from i've experienced, i only able to apply the technique only quarter of my total teaching session per semester.
education was like that in east-germany in the 80s. i took class 1-9 there. the last years i spent in westgermany, were it was almost multiple choice only. so, ... in my case the answer is "yes", but in most cases it´s "no" i guess. thank you very much for sharing.
Ideas and concepts about education from an different era .
Great content! Extremely helpful!👍
Principle 5: pay the people you contract! 🥰🥰
Long Live Dewey
Thanks, well done Sprouts and the visuals are just amazing. Dewey's theory is certainly viable if there is proper funding for Education. It It is therefore easier to implement in a private school setting as compared to a public school one. A critic would be: how possible is it to find enough time within the term to implement the learning by doing eg planting and watching plants grow while at the same time covering the required syllabus?. For the discussions it is important that some teacher instructions and prior reading and research happens before for the discussion/debate to be meaningful enough to sprout out new perspectives and ideas.
For the interdisciplinary aspect to work, very strong school leadership is essential as well as a strong teamwork culture among staff as it would require a lot of sharing, consultations, planning and constant reviews.
It is true that school has made great progress in teaching and learning methodology. However, many schools are still, one way or another in a Teaching Paradigm.
Some things just have to be learned by rote,wrote,roat? Examples: spelling, times tables, penmanship. Hopefully teachers make things fun most of the time.
Penmanship isn't taught now that we have computers. Spelling? Spell check on the computer fixes that for them. My sister teaches music at the elementary level. She told me she has kids in Kindergarten who cannot name colors! Can't count to ten! These are kids in regular classrooms, too, not special education.
Excelente video
great summary
Guys, these videos are gold! Have you thought of making a more in-depth course in psychology?
This video are so amazing but it lacks sound
Excellent Presentation. !!!
Great video
Gracias Sprouts for estos excelentes vídeos pues permiten comprender las ideas de gente como Dewey en una manera divertida y fácil; lamentablemente, yo estudié en forma tradicional y los cursos pedagógicos los recibí sin comprender nada y sin relacionar con que deseaba poner en práctica estas ideas.
Welcome 🙏
Wow.. this need to be implements.
All theories given by John dewy are included in b.ed. and we have learnt useful video 👍
As a John Dewey student his philosophy is nothing like it's supposed to be, at least in 2023
Hi Sprouts. I just wanted to ask if I can insert this video in a part of explaining learning by doing only to my video presentation. Our video presentation will be uploaded here in youtube as well but I'll make sure to insert the link of this video to the description as a reference. Can I?
learning=experience
education=interactive=flexible-out of limits
👌 suprb ....
Brilliant, thank you.
I was a victim of public schooling. 4h as a kid taught me so much more by doing rather than pedantic bookish learning. I dreaded those tests.
public schooling then you must come from a wealthy family.
Well, sometimes it's our system reinforcing 'ineffective education' for our students. (I am not pointing my fingers on anyone)
I wish schools taught for the future.
It feels like they're preparing elementary kids for the most basic aspects of society, and
for the obscure trivia gameshow! where four wrong answers means you're not getting that peice of paper important to getting a stable source of income.....or.....
important to gain access to the specific trivia gameshow! Where you need to pay an extortionate amount of money, and you pay for each time you play, but you usally need to play multiple times to get a peice of paper....
to roll the magic dice and make a decent income, as long as you roll a 6.
Do you see the problem here?
Except for the interactive session others are amazing. Dewey seems to have way ahead of his time.
You mean the one step that explicitly involves the instructor ! ???
recipient of a public school education here, 80's and 90's...I remember group work and projects but the look of the classroom spaces were still very traditional and used more often. When I watched this video I wondered what a truly interdisciplinary experiential school would physically look like. I don't think it would have rows of desks facing the blackboard as the main part of the classroom! On the other hand it looks like a lot of work for one teacher and 26 students. Anyone know any real places that do this? Sounds a lot like Montessori?
There are some projects-schools, also in the US. But it’s still rare.