You Are NOT READY For Vi's Tragic S2 Arc... (ANNECY SPOILERS)
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Vi hits ROCK BOTTOM! Discussing the Vi montage shown at the Arcane panel of the Annecy Animation Festival, and how to reconcile this new tragic information about Vi's S2 Arc with the new trailer and Warwick speculation!
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0:00 - PIT FIGHTER VI (annecy)
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since the Season 1 song ENEMY was about Jinx's lowest point(adn mental issues) I hope the season 2 song will be about Vi's lowest point. I too think, that a big part for Vi's lowest point will be connected to the happenings with Warwick.
I predict Singed will build chem-tech weapons for Ambessa and the Noxian military. We already know in-lore that he does this during Noxus’ war with Ionia and Ambessa has already asked for Hex-tech weapons.
My theory is that Jayce will realise that the growth of Hex-tech can’t be managed if outside of Piltover. So, with Singed captured Ambessa will ask him as an alternative. Maybe that’s how he gets his shield from the game too.
What do you think?
To help out with lore and also adding my own prediction on the large head in Zaun, in the game's lore Viktor has a church dedicated to "The Grey Lady", the church is also named "Church of the Glorious Evolved" which shows that Viktor will get his Glorious Evolution in season 2, also Vi's game lore is basically just police brutality.
@schnee I love your vids; started watching for spider verse content and you got me hooked on Arcane! BUT... I'm really trying to avoid season 2 spoilers. Paused the video at 0:10 just to write a comment. Looking forward to revisiting this content after season 2 drops.
i'll make a summary of vi's and jinx's LOL lore, starting with vi and then jinx after.
Vi was deeply active in criminal and gang activity in the undercity (Zaun) from childhood to adult years. She formed her own gang and became renowned for her looks as well as the fact that she'll take any business she can handle, and was also known for her morals to avoid hurting or involving anyone who is unrelated in her crimes.
She regularly clashed with other gangs, until one day this caused the untimely death of an owner for a large mine in the undercity as well as damaging the structural integrity of the mines, which effectively endangered a lot of people around and within the area.
With her magical-tech gauntlets, Vi single-handedly took down the entire gang and cleared out the mines, becoming a hero in the undercity as well as a legend.
Around this time she also found a mentor who improved her morals and skills.
Then, that large feat in the undercity made Vi reputable enough that she joined with a higher level of the Piltover enforcers called the "Wardens," where she presently keeps Piltover safe (and does her best to minimize crime in the undercity as well.)
She knows of Jinx and is very familiar with her as they have clashed many times, but Vi has been unable to catch Jinx or her acts of violence within the two cities. It was not confirmed within the game UNTIL arcane's release that they are, in fact, sisters.
Pit tournament Vi: "So that's it? What, we're some kinda league of legends?"
bro 😭
Roll credits!
IF THEY DO THIS I WILL CHEER
😭😭😭
I would actually love this
I just want Vi to be happy, she has suffered enough, and I believe season 2 will end on a bittersweet note.
fr :(
Well I mean, Ella Purnell literally said this: "I actually just went back into the studio to complete some ADR [automated dialog replacement] for the season 2 finale - and I cried. So, I think other people will cry, too. It's devastating, and nobody will feel good after watching it." So I think it’s pretty much guaranteed we won’t be getting anything approximating a happy ending
@@marseille1196 I never said it would end on a happy note. But to be fair there are some bittersweet endings that make people cry, like Titanic for example.
Only way for her to be happy is leaving Zaun and never looking back.
@@marseille1196rip Ekko
Warwick: "Rewind too far, and you'll be back in my teeth!"
Is so sad to see how Vi has nothing. She doesn't have a place or a person she belongs anymore, even tho she passed all her life fighting to maintain what she had and not lose anything ever again. She lost the battle, and she lost the war.
Jinx loose everything too. Because of herself. I think It's much sadder. Everyone's sorry about Vi and Catelin but nobody's sorry for this poor blue-hair girl that get so lost and confused, raised by the drug dillers, separate with the only person who cared and she don't had any choices
@@yobadvachevskiy umm actually more ppl feel bad about jinx than for vi's tragic story. both of their arc are much sadder bc vi lost everything bc of herself too and ppl continue blaming her for this /g
@@yobadvachevskiy Why are you even making comparisons like that?
Everyone already _knows_ Jinx's story and the suffering she faced. People are talking about Vi and Cait because we've recieved more information on what will happen with them in S2, meanwhile we have no idea what Jinx is doing, so there's not much to talk about with her right now.
@@yobadvachevskiy its not a fkin competition, no one is downplaying any characters suffering, vi is the subject of this video and conversation, jinx is of many others, non of them imply either matter less
Caitlyn will be the only one who can help her.
Wait up... strong, confident character getting haunted by a ghostly wolf of grim doom, gets their life recentered during the middle act and then by the end of it finds they still are deadly afraid of the wolf, discovering it is no mere small issue to be escaped and that they need to face it head-on?
Is this Arcane s2 predictions or just the plot of Puss in Boots 2?
I was thinking the same thing!
More than that, Schnee's theory about Vi mistaking Warwick as a nightmare hallucination, only to find out he's very much real in the end, and is forced to fight him (symbolically fighting her own inner demonstration to an extent).
Doesn't that sound exactly like how Puss thought Death was a bounty hunter and believed he was hallucinating him, up until it's revealed the he was real the whole time? And to top it off, they're both wolf's, and and the animation style is so similar!
Death comes for us all. The Wolf that haunts our past, present and future. Taking Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and turning it up to 11.
Said Wolf represents something that felt alien and distant to these confident heroes, but something all too familiar to the average person. (Moving on for Vi/Death itself for Puss)
It's so depressing to see so many people thinking Dreamworks somehow came up with this trope. Puss 2 isn't even the movie that handles it best.
@@paulihuxfiel calm down, man! I was just commenting on it, sheesh. No need to assume I think DreamWorks "came up" with this trope: force of nature/vengeful hybrid villains aren't new at all. For a recent example, Genshin's Sustainer of Heavenly Principles is pretty much it, taking her lines into consideration.
Also, what's your better example, just for curiosity? Never bad to see another story
"Because now I am not the only monster" actually go so hard..
I can imagine that being an actual Jinx line
bro I’m hoping s2 somehow ends on a good note. I’m so emotionally invested in the characters and I just want them to be happy 😭😭
Well not to burst your bubble, but Ella Purnell literally said this "I actually just went back into the studio to complete some ADR [automated dialog replacement] for the season 2 finale - and I cried. So, I think other people will cry, too. It's devastating, and nobody will feel good after watching it." So I think it’s pretty much guaranteed we won’t be getting anything approximating a happy ending
@@marseille1196 🥲
@marseille1196 yeah, very bittersweet is probably the best we can really hope for
attack on titan made me appreciate and often favor a powerful and reasonable ending over an objectively "happy" one. But I kinda hope it's open ended personally
@@serpencide yeah I appreciate a realistic ending over a weird out of place happy one. Don’t get me wrong happy endings can be and have been made well, but many just seem either way too predictable or doesn’t make too much sense. I think in arcane since there are so many conflicts within that story, it’s definitely hard to somehow fix everyone’s problems in one season since s2 is the last one of arcane. But I mean so much was shown in such little time in s1 and it all felt natural. The development of the story was so fast but didn’t feel rushed. So since Lol did such a good job with that maybe somehow a happy ending can be reasonably made. Although whatever actually happens in s2 I’m sure it will be brilliant whether it’s positive or not.
I think that Season 2 will focus on the psychological state of the character Vi and her struggle to find meaning in her life after everyone abandoned her and she became an outcast.
This is my theory after the recent news regarding Arcane Season 2.
Ohhhhh I love psychological deep dives on characters. If they had had a full season dedicated to Daenerys going mad with focus on her mental state deteriorating that would've been so good. I like all of GOT even the later seasons have good moments, and I do think George won't have Dany get into power; he's very anti establishment in his writing so going back to that feels off. But this would've taken it to the next level thrones is known for.
I also love Bluestar's descent into madness. It's frustrating, and you feel for her warriors but you understand her pain too. Especially after reading her super edition.
I will always think she should've retired though 😅
Yeah, I feel like we're going to get a full on deconstruction of Vi's character. She's gonna be pushed to new lows we've never seen before, and it will be *_shattering_* 💔
@@DLxxx and maybe become a villain.
@@DLxxxRight, I feel that after all this suffering, Vi may become a calmer and wiser person after everything she went through. The same thing Christian said: The characters in season 1 are the opposite of what they were in season 2.
@@ryanmatthews3609No, dude not to that extent😂
Based off what people are saying from the leaks it seems that she more so has induced Hallucinations through destructive behaviors like alcohol, and possibly head trauma from the fights (apparently she starts losing more towards the end of the montage). Most of the hallucinations we see from her are from induced states like bleeding out (episode 6), head trauma and drinking when we saw Vander (episode 9), and with this leak as most people describing it mentioned how she gets drunk to the point that she has to be brought home by a friend with her room filling up with bottles as the montage goes. I doubt they'll make her full blown Jinx psychosis (Jinx had a sign/hint since the first episode) but more of what we know from season 1, but explored more as Vi is now in this dark pit without purpose where she's being extremely self destructive.
Yeah, I think Vi hallucinating after drinking and being beaten up by Sevika, is essentially going to be a microcosm of her low point in season 2. Which is poetic, because when she went to fight Sevika in the Last Drop, she thinks she's lost everyone (having pushed away Caitlyn, thinking Ekko was killed on the bridge, and nearly getting shot by Jinx).
@@DLxxx Yep, I just think that this was important information in the distinction of Vi and Jinx's expressions of trauma and their psychologies. I was on twitter when people started tweeting about the leak and a lot of people said that she has the same issues as Jinx because mental illness can have genetic ties, but the show has set it up (whatever it is I won't try and diagnose either of them) as a different thing already (in how it affects her, why it happens, and when it happens) in season 1 which is more consistent with the information from the leak (For instance with Jinx there was a hint in episode 1 that Powder was already afflicted in some way in the opening scene, we didn't get a hint with Vi). With Jinx instead of there being a focus on external forces bringing on the hallucinations (Vi - blood loss, alcohol, head trauma) it's a more constant thing going on inside her that gets worsened by internal forces (paranoia).
Also Vi's instances seem to try and help her in a way? (at least to my interpretation) Caitlyn helping Vi was overlapped by her mother tending to her, Vander giving her a pep talk, and I believe people where saying that in the leak loved ones where yelling at her (or telling her, IDK which) to stop drinking. Where as Jinx ends up put down by all but her Vi hallucinations. I imagine the juxtaposition to the Vander scene is she'll no longer be listening or trying like she did in episode 9.
@@pugisherpug4366i’m not so sure; there’s a scene in ep 1 where it could have been vi hallucinating on the bridge when she and powder were looking for their parents. that could have been a “sign” that she also had moments of psychosis even at the very beginning
@@juniper1350 No, thats the sign for Jinx that I was referring to. That sign was stylistically connected to Jinx's psychosis with the scratch marks. Absolutely none of Vi's hallucinations have had any of the those stylistic choices to connect or even suggest that was her perception. Nor has anyone said the her season 2 stuff has scratch marks. Jinx's stuff almost always had scratch marks associated. In the final episode quite literally all Jinx was perceiving for a minute was scratch marks. The visual animation story telling connected it to Jinx's hallucinations, not too Vi's.
12:11 "When I was a kid, me and my sister, we played a game where we pretended to chase monsters away. I'd say, "No monster's gonna get you when I'm here."
Then a real monster showed up."
7:47 lol the little *"marry me!"*
Lmao
he's so real for that
@unidentifiedartist yes, yes he is💪💪💪
The man is really a simp... Well who's not?
I was up on twitter all night long when people talked about the annecy vi clip, there was new info dropping every 10 minutes 😭
It literally almost felt like a whole episode or something dropped, didn't it lmfao? People were WILDING OUT XD
LMAO same!!
@@EdalynSkywalker66 Right?!! Felt like my mind was reconstructing the whole thing in my head just from reading those vivid descriptions, lol. Can't wait until we get all the surrounding context!
Vander's last words: "Take care of Powder"
oooh yes! that's consistent!
"I can trust you, because now I'm not the only monster."
I am crying so hard...
I feel like if Warwick really is Vander, both sisters will be involved in the fight. If Jinx is locked up in Stillwater, maybe they free her to track down Warwick or fight/rescue him.
the idea of pit Vi makes me incredibly sad yet i know damn well she will look really good 💀😔
I was not prepared to hear your alternate ending. This video may as well be the darkest that came out of you
I understand Vi's character on a personal level, she's more of a protector in a typically "masculine" way, and struggles with it in a typically "masculine" way too (she needs to take action, fight for those she loves, and when she has no one she becomes a violent mess towards herself and others), I understand that in a more "traditionally feminine" way, I used to need others to define me as a person by how good I made them feel emotionally.
Where would Jinx fall on this spectrum?
@@badconnection4383In an asylum
"but now im not the only monster." this season's going to be heartbreakingly powerful 😭😭
"i can trust you now, because now i'm not the only monster" - this . . . i don't know if they'd go for this, but i really hope they do. it rings home to how folks in my circles form relationships based on shared trauma, shared understanding - it's the confidence of knowing "yeah no matter how fucked up i might seem you'll understand me because you've been there too"
i both like and dislike this idea. my dislike comes from how obviously toxic this could/would be, esp coming from jinx 😭 i want vi and jinx to have a mutual understanding and a relationship, but if it isn’t healthy or genuinely loving, then honestly, i don’t want it 😭
Don't hate me but.... when I imagine "Pit fighter Vi montage", I hear "Bones" - Imagine dragons as the musical accompaniment.
Someone did say they had temp music in the sequence, but I can't remember which song it was.
It'll be replaced with original music in the end though.
I doubt it, while it could be cool, Arcane writes original songs for the show. I doubt they would change this now. Also from what info we have gotten, Bones is the last song I think they'd choose. (No shade to that song, but I don't think it necessarily makes sense)
What if we got a remix of Vi's login screen from LOL? Here comes Vi?
Idkif you've ever watched she-ra (I think you'd LOVE it, its tied for my fav show) but the way you described Vi as a protecter who is self destructive with nobody else to protect gave me very similar vibes to the main character adora, and made me wonder if Vi's arc will be more about self love and boundaries than just getting back powder (which i think will ultimately help powder)
I think it's much more likely to go down the Legend of Korra route. Vi's arc sounds eerily like "Korra Alone" but over a much longer period.
@@ChickenMccZoe I mean I think their arcs are kind of similar in that way, that Korda is going out on her own to find her identity outside of the chosen one role (or in this case the protecter role)
@@Aisha_Luv Totally agree with you. I wonder if the team was inspired a little by LOK.
Adora did put everyone ahead of herself all the time throughout 5 seasons, to the point of sacrificing her whole being for the sake of the planet AND certain (or so she thought) defeat of an immortal enemy from Mara's time in the final one was expected, if painful, and the only one who calls out first from all the cast, how effed up that is was her lifelong frenemy Catra, and she's the only who calls Adora out again just before the endgame part of the series starts. We're so used to the hero sacrifices themselves that we forget what happens after they sacrifice themselves...and stay alive. They need to live with what they've done, good and bad, and when they're alone after all that, what was the point? (Simon from Gurren Lagan is the best example. Jack from Samurai Jack got a better ending from a video game, and without Catra saving Adora from the monster/virus planted by her own people, Prime would've won by semantics.)
Omg three of my fav shows she-ra, arcane and korra in the same reply section ❤
Pit fighter Vi save me
girl she can't save herself
I know ;__; btw I'm a grown ass man 🫣
@@popsicIesi can fix her
To add on to your idea of a wedge growing between Vi and Caitlyn, I wonder if it’s going to be some kind of twisted Vander-Silco situation. There were a lot of parallels between Vander and Silco’s broken relationship in season one with Vi and Jinx, but after Caitlyn’s mother dies, I wonder if Caitlyn, although she may truly be trying to be diplomatic (or at least thinks she is) , turns to a path of violence like Silco (maybe not in the sense of killing people, but she’s certainly not afraid to use violent/Hextech-based means to achieve her goals (like Silco using Shimmer?)). Vi in the first season was Hell-bent on violently ending Silco’s reign, but after witnessing the loss of her sister as Powder turning into Jinx and the unbearable pain wrought by that transformation, she may question violent means to end war or free people, similar to Vander trying to maintain peace while only using violence as necessary/as a means of defense (I wonder if that question started haunting Vi in season one- she scolds Jayce when he backs out after killing a child, but considering how much she was still dotting on this kid-image of Powder and even Milo and Claggor, that might’ve started her descent in some small way…). I’m not sure how this would work out between the two, but I’m curious to see how far it goes. … Why do we have to wait 4 more months for answers? 😂 Awesome insight as always, Schnee!
i see people saying they hope it ends on a good note but tbh i think my only hope is that it ends on a quiet note. After everyting being so loud and awful, after all the trauma and the terrible situations, i hope season two ends on something that's soft, good or bad
I'm gonna watch this whole video on mute and leave a like to support the channel, but I refuse to actually pay attention because I don't want to know anything else about season 2. I'm sure the video is great schnee, your analysis and videos are always top notch. Keep up the good work.
Man can I relate to the "Pit Fighter Vi" you're describing. Minus the pit fighting part, that was my 1st year of (failed attempt at) college.
It's pretty common for parentified kids (especially ones with trauma) to go through some form of this once they're "freed" from the role of caregiver/protector. You have no sense of self, and you realize those who leaned on you were actually helping to hold you up. Feeling like you failed to protect or even caused harm in your attempts to protect, will crush you to the point you think you deserve to suffer.
Vi is going to blame herself for all the people Jinx killed, including Vander.
vi is already blaming herself. i’m pretty sure she believes she’s responsible for everything
Im so excited yet anticipating heartbreak.
From Jinx's voice actor said she cried, I knew it was going to be hard.
At a writer's/artists pov, I can't wait to soak it up like a sponge!
The pit fighter Vi reminds me of The Legend of Korra, where she was in a fighters pit without her "role".
I do hope Vi and Ekko interact. Bc they both have different povs to Vi/Powder.
I think a likely scenario for the conflict with Cait is that Vi pulls the same trick as in episode 5 when she went to fight Sevika. She will promise to face Jinx together, then deceive Cait and their team into going to the wrong location and try to fight Jinx all by herself, nearly getting herself killed until Cait figures it out and shows up at the last second to help her
I think the relationship between the sisters will mirror the relationship between Piltover and Zaun. Perhaps Vander will reunite the sisters, and an external threat (like Noxus) will reunite Piltover and Zaun.
11:36 think about Vander for a second, was killed by the same person 2 times wow
I just want Vi and Jinx/Powder to be together and happy. 😔❤️
Me tooooo!!!!!! I pray everyday until season two 😢
Realistically, they'll probably go their separate ways at the very least.
Vi having her own demons/hallucinations would at least hammer home to people who ignore Vi's suffering that she has issues to. Plus, such things tend to run in families IIRC...
If Act I is Cait and Vi doing the three initial objectives as an Act I effort, I could see this them trying to find a narrow way through. I've theorized that Cait's three objectives were an attempt to find a narrow way through - enough of a show of force to appease warmongers like Ambessa planning on getting involved from a genocidal war, while restricting the targets to the people who either were directly responsible (Jinx) or who need to be dealt with either way (Silco's shimmer operations trapping Zaun in a cycle of dependency on the drug). And then it goes horribly wrong - they tried with the best of intentions, but it doesn't work.
That would massively burn out both of them - they both tried to hold onto their good hearts, but it was just too little and by the time they were in a position to change anything it was too late. Vi's thrown away a lot for this and nothing came of it, Caitlyn's probably loathing herself for perpetuating the cycle as she wants to try and end it, they flame out for a bit and Vi drinks herself into oblivion to get away from it all while Cait throws herself into her work. Only question is has Noxus already shown up in force, or is the timeskip the time it takes for Ambessa to mobilize her troops to invade Zaun for revenge for Mel's injuries or death?
TBH I wasn't sure on a timeskip since I felt like everything was hinting at things really coming together in a way that wouldn't allow for a massive jump like Season 1 had, but maybe this time it's only a few months and after an initial period of fighting where both sides have fired their load and need to back off and regroup. And Noxus would be a force that could bring the timeskip to an end and force Vi to wake up from her stupor if it's clear that Noxus is going to raze Zaun in an orgy of blood and violence to secure Piltover and its strategically vital hexgates as a vassal or new conquest... only question is what is the objective? Are they trying to salvage the original three, or is it something else?
Well if nothing else, we do know that the end result in some way or another must lead to Cait and Vi standing together to fight off infiltrating Noxians from the Warriors trailer so... even if they don't like 'recreate' that scene or nothing, it's technically 'canon' alongside the show right? I expect a Noxian invasion is going intrude on a lot of character arcs.
Hell yeah I'm here 4 it
who is ready to be traumatized!! 😭
fr though, this season is sounding like another masterclass in animation. so hyped
From what I've learned after I watched the show, it sounds like the fighting pit is a reference back when the "League of Legends" was a real diegetic thing and everyone's motivation was fighting the best people in the world to win some big prize thing. They later changed it so that the lore and the gameplay were more separate, (I think?) and the characters had motivations based on their backstories and respective cities.
My theory is that season 2 is the time travel multiverse craziness arch, where Echo and Heimerdinger (and maybe some others) go back in time to fix stuff and everytime they do everything gets even worse. So maybe Jinx and Vi have their heart to heart where they understand each other but everything else in their world is so bad that it needs reset again. I'm not sure how likely that is though.
That sounds like a terrible plot
I hope Caitvi ends up together or at least a kiss between them.😭
you're so real for that
Comfort channel for real, I like how express everything so clearly and I love your theories.
I really like how the vi poster with the jinx monkey on her back and the season 2 official poster both reinstate that jinx is “possessing” vi. With the literal target on vi’s back (or like jinx marking her territory)
I wonder if the conflict in act 1 will end with Piltover pushing the people of Zaun further underground and taking over the surface district on that side of the river, giving us a city layout closer to the games, where the two are stacked vertically on top of each other
Which side won in the game?
Drop everything guys, new schnee vid dropped
The "Final showdown" between vi and jinx vs warrick could actually fit into the dialogue of the lol characters, when jinx says "you're such a loser, always ready to cry".
Maybe a very emotional vi scene on the horizon for us???
Interesting
Going with Schnee's hypothetical ending, I could see her saying something along those lines to Vi when Jinx has to stand up to Warwick in her place (before Vi gains the resolve to protect her sister once again).
Maybe also a reference to Powder comforting Vi on the bridge after she had her first breakdown? 🤔
@@DLxxx oh that is a good parallelism
The way you talk about your predictions make me feel like I’m actually watching them happen. I tear up in every of your videos 😢
Watching this video and you talking about the potential ending got me thinking. Specifically that one iconic shot you showed of warwick being green. I found this interesting because green has been associated with the ekko and the present, which is so iteresting because warwick is literally the past come back to haunt the sisters. Then you also mentioned how we got no vision of ekko, and remembering everything about your ekko video, i feel like one of the only ways for the piltover vs zaun conflict to be remedied (not completely, but enough where we can see potential good for the future of these characters) is if ekko saves the present moment in some way. I think maybe one side of the war (porbably piltover, representing the future) is planning some really devestating move that would wipe out alot of the other side, ending the war but wiping out so much of the people alive in the present. Ekko, caring about people over the big picture plans i think puts it to a stop, but before he can jinx is trying to do something chaotic that could destroy everyone and stop ekko. Then maybe the fight between jink and vi breaks out, causing the conflict of the past to be brought up. Then, who comes in forcing them to choose the presentover the past? Vander! Which is why he is green! And then the future and past finally reconcile causing people to prioritize the present, which could be the first steps to peace. But this is all just my wild speculation based off of colour pallets :p
That all sounds great, but WW is green in the game as well, so I don't think it is something to do with colors this time. And there is the red WW scene, so what does red has to do with your color theory?
@@lorinckudasz3103 red/pink is very Zaun/shimmer/jinx associated
And while WW being green in game is a factor, having the entire teaser for him be shrouded in green seems intentional
That's also one thing I find curious, why does Jinx say "Finally got the name right. Sister."
Why does she call Vi "Sister" why doesn't she says Vi?
Especially since in the previous season, she seems to always call her Vi and Jinx new identity was the entire question : Powder no longer exists, it's Jinx now, Vi needs to accept it but she doesn't, no matter how much Jinx seems to push it on her like she says at one point "Power fell down a well, it's Jinx now" (Or smth like that)
And again, characters are becoming the opposite of who they are and whatnot so what if now Jinx needs to accept to Vi isn't Vi anymore or the ones she remembers her as being. Maybe it could be linked to Pit Vi arc, maybe Jinx feels that change in her sister (Vi is loosing her identity, or trying to hide it) and maybe it could be a step forward that will allow Jinx to give up on the monsters of the past, to give up on the monster that made Jinx : Vi, and therefore start anew.
I don't know I might be overthinking this, I just think it's an odd detail, it always stuck with me, why "Sister" why not just "Vi" why not just end it at "Finally got the name right." Why add this "Sister" at the end?
Idk feel free to share your thoughts on that
!! that's such a good thought ahh you're so right to notice that
I think her voice was taunting vi. Like maybe taunting the fact that vi wanted her sister back
@@sapristille4315 but also, "are we still sisters?"
@@Yeneney Oh yes I forgot about that one too !
There's a line that was removed when Jinx was released for the LoL game that dataminers found.
"If you think I'm crazy you should see my sister."
Wonder if the Arcane writers took inspiration from this and aside from a timekskip do we get to see Vi suffer the same mental trauma Powder did.
I think this phrase is in Wild Rift, at least I have a strong feeling that I heard it many times when I played for Jinx
LOL Jinx and Arcane Jinx are so different. LOL Jinx juxt crazy little asshole, never thinks about anything, just destroying and she's looks pretty stupid. Arcane Jinx is good written character, you feel sorry for here, she's smart enough but she can't live on because of her trauma
huh datamined? isn't this just a quote in game, I swear I hear this all the time when I play jinx...
This is still in the game.
"You think I'm crazy?? You should see my sister."
@@mevrouwroos thought so
I'm just wondering how the new bitterness from Cait will effect her relationship with Vi, either Vi helps her cope or it drives them apart. Very unsure
VI AND CAITLYN HAVE TO END UP TOGETHER IDC
I have been checking and checking to see if you posted today❤️😭
I WILL CRY IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO VI. I AM TOO EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED.
NO FR
november cant come fast enough
I feel like time travel isn't being spoken of at all, echo might be a giant gamechanger
I hope not. Time travel is rarely done right and usually adds tons of plot holes. I enjoy Arcane because it remains pretty grounded overall. Echo's is far more interesting when they explore his brotherly relationship to VI and as an alternative leader figure to Silco.
You are so real for being a Vi stan 🙌
Honestly my only hope for s2 is Vi and Caitlyn having an intimate moment or kiss. I'm sure the rest will be amazing but I'd be a little disappointed if nothing happens between the two.
I’m thinking that they will have one moment with them and that’s it. Which sucks…
This is genuinely my favourite film analysis channel currently. Have been absolutely adoring the Arcane & Spiderverse analysis videos
5:20 I think the pit fighter Vi scene might be a flashback. Maybe Vi is talking to Cait about how she ended up where she was.
Really been looking forward to this video :)
I am actually more interested in what Ekko and Heimerdinger are planing in season 2. I relate with both of them the most. And your video about Ekko was so eye opening to me - how he's the third option, how he's neather about the past nor the future but the present. And fighting for the people and not for a city or an idea. I love Ekko so much. I hope he gets more attention in season 2.
When you said "Pit Fighter Vi" , Sett the Boss came to mind lol.
I'm really curious on what "Opposite" characters like Jayce and Viktor could become. I know what they become in LoL Lore, but looking only at the show I have a hard time identifying WHAT these characters could be summarized into and therefore, can't tell what their opposite would be.
Truly enthralling and profound theories that make sense. Well done sir, well done.
Theory: Vi's loyalty to the Undercity in general is broken (or at least weakened) as part of her downward spiral and pit fighter arc, opening up an avenue for her to become Police Brutality Vi as she is depicted in the games.
Oh God, I hope not... That sounds too cruel for Vi :(
“Police Brutality Vi” ? What ? Jinx is a literal terrorist, and a deranged one at that.
that would hurt so bad...
I'm gonna disagree. Nothing about the clip says anything about her loyalties, only her sense of belonging. And she doesn't feel like she belongs in Piltover either (for all we know, Enforcer Vi is only an Act 1 thing, and this comes after she's caught up to her league counterpart).
I feel they wouldn't go that route, what with how the world is rn
I really hope Arcane’s writing team cook up a season two equal or improved from season one. 🎉
Ok so, act 1. Cait, vi, the firelights and the enforcers go afther the three objectoves, shit goes ass up and vi either lets jinx go or betrays caitlyn in some way related to her. They separate. Viktor and Jayce fight and vik goes to the undercity.
Act 2. Vi's breakdown, she is questioning everything and thinks about joining piltover in the fight against whatever is happening lol. Cait is training and on her way to be a sheriff, probably touching shoulders w ambessa. The chembarons are fighting each other as well as piltover (so zaun vs zaun vs piltover). Lots of politics, people angry bc of attacks all over piltover and stuff, talks abt war. Ambessa is manipulating Jayce and vik is in zaun helping ppl w the hexcore, also, he went back to singed.
Act 3. Noxus joins the fight against zaun and shit goes down lol. Zaun gains its independence and cait together w either mel or jayce (and vi) change the whole enforcer system and become the wardens. Vander reconciliates vi and jinx and probably dies. Jinx either goes to an asylum or they negotiate some sort of deal to keep her out of piltover.
finally caught up on all you're arcane vids and I've learned so much, cant wait for another video, each one helps me with my own characters and storytelling, thanks alot keep it going!!
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this in the comments yet, but I think (and some other people theorize this too) that "This face" is the chem baron Margot, from season one. I like to think that this scene takes place in her territory. Maybe the chem barons go to war with eachother, because of the power vacuum left behind by Silco's death. The statue behind Jinx is probably the Wind Goddess Janna (a league character). She was very loved in the lowest layers of the undercity. Anyway, love your videos and I am very excited for season 2 and all your content that comes with that.
This theory fits perfectly with Vi's dialogue in S1 saying "then a real monster showed up" and with Vander tasking Vi to "take care of Powder" leading up to this father vs sister dilemma for Vi. As expected, excellent job Arcane writers 👏
love those videos sm😭
Having watched so many of these videos, I’ve just gotta say… The editing of these videos are always great. Every clip on screen is relevant and often perfectly timed to sync with the recorded commentary. Not to mention, the commentary is always fantastic. I’m eagerly awaiting for more…
Good analysis as always. Particularly the outcome of Vi/Jinx/Warwick. Although I wish Vi didn't have to kill to prove her love to Jinx, even if it makes sense thematically. Doesn't feel like healing, more like validation of Jinx's perspective. Duality is indeed a big part of this story so it makes sense, but part of me would hope for an outcome that breaks the cycle of violence between them. None the less, your take on it is probably close. Good stuff.
I would add that Ambessa must certainly play a role in all of this as well. But maybe that's more to do with Caitlyn. Grayson vs Ambessa. "Begs the question young Kiramman, what are you shooting for?" VS "Wrath must be met with wrath". Or something of the like.
Only thing I disagree with is Enforcer Vi with Claggor's goggles being in Act 3 (the scenes we've seen so far specifically). Her appearance there is identical to what is presumed to be the Act 1 showdown. Hair length, age, etc. My guess is that "My sister is gone" is the fallout from the Act 1 confrontation, and the beginning of the parting of Vi and Caitlyn. Until they - fingers crossed - Reconcile end of Act 2 or beginning of Act 3.
Edit: Vi and Caitlyn parting ways end of Act 1 would also be a call back to Vi and Jinx parting in Act 1. Which is why I think it's Caitlyn who will break it off, livid with the outcome, failing to kill Jinx. I'm absolutely dreading cold ruthless Caitlyn. Hopefully they'll find each other again and put each other in a better state. Ok, I'll stop fanboying now.
Hi Schnee, wanna show my support for the arcane content, but I will be waiting to watch it all until after I've watched season 2. I like watching shows blind, and I haven't even watched the trailer!! Love your videos anyhow, I'll be watching them all later!
I watched the last few videos literally 10 minutes ago, timing needs not be perfected
Hey @schnee1 been watching your stuff since arcane season 1. So cool to see how better and better you get with each passing video. Very excited to watch season 2 but alongside that, I also look forward to the content you’re gonna be making for this series. Always happy to see you upload :)
very interested in your thoughts about a worry a lot of people have, regarding the length of the season. seems like there is way more to show than in season 1 but the length is the same
Always knew Vi was short for Violence
you are SOOO good at this
Your theory videos are the only thing keeping this fandom sane while we wait for November, which seems so far away. Your analysis and theories are always on point, now all I need is to hear your thoughts on Ekko's role this season, and his relationships to Jinx/Powder and his new mentor Heimerdinger: especially since the creators confirmed there will be more scenes between Ekko and Powder during the S1 timeskip.
You are doing the lord's work, keep up with the amazing videos!! ✨
The "pit fighter Vi" arc reminds me of Rocket's "netherball arc" from Galactik Football, very similar with someone allways caring about others ending up caring about no one, leading to self destruction.
The big face you mention at the end looks to me like Orianna, it has been theorized that she is / will be the doctor's dead daughter (we can kinda see her face in his locket)
ive been waiting patiently for something from you. im sat. im attentive. im listening
what another great video! love your content!!🔥🔥🔥
all i want is for Vi to be happy man :(
My fave fic explores Vi and Jinx both potentially inheriting the same mental illness from a parent has but Vi (and eventually Jinx) recognizing it and taking the steps to manage it healthily. It'd be interesting to find out that Vi's blood-loss/concussion visions are something more than an artistic representation of her inner dialog.
I do think Caitlyn will be a major part of the end of the series as well and will be in that confrontation with warwick to parallel the dinner scene at the end of season 1. We see her take a shot in the trailer but we don’t know at who but i’m excited to see what happens but i have a strong feeling it won’t be anything good.
I really love and enjoy your videos!
Love your videos, Schnee. Always a pleasure to see your notifications.
Keep up the good work ^^
My heart breaks for Vi. 😭 And even though I don’t want to see her suffering even more, maybe people will discount her pain less after seeing her "Korra Alone" type arc. Also, I am pretty sure Caitlyn's mom is dead, and I wonder what that means for Cait and Vi's romantic relationship. Like in game, Jinx is more of a goofy, chaos gremlin that Caitlyn tolerates, but killing her mom is a whole other thing. ☠️ Will be interesting to see how they handle that in just nine episodes. Also excited to see a colder side of Caitlyn...🥶
Dude... You're are amazing at analysing and storytelling. most of your videos hit way too hard. ❤
God I love a badass muscle woman with an Atlas complex, like Adora from She-Ra. Pit fighter Vi is gonna break me. I’m sure the ending will be bittersweet if not a downer, but all I ask is for Vi to find some love with Cait. And a goddamned kiss.
Oh man, completely unrelated but, I will get chills as soon as I hear the iconic Warwick howl for the first time in the show. I want it to be as bone chilling as possible😍
Your video title scared me to death, and I'm not complaining. I can't wait for S2!
Every damn time I see something new from season two, I have to rewatch S1….
Not complaining 😂
I think the hooded figure could be Vi’s hallucination of Caitlyn
Wooo! That gave me chills!
i just know i'm going to love season 2 so fucking much. thanks for your videos! i always look forward to your arcane vids
Thnaks for mkaing good videos Mister Schene
I have some important questions that I would appreciate if someone could clarify for me.
1. Since Arcane has been declared as official canon, I had spent a lot of time assuming that the show would eventually reach a point where everyone aligns with how their in-game champions are portrayed (most likely at the end of the show), but I heard a rumor that one of the top people working on the show said that playable champions do not automatically have plot armor. Did this happen, and if so, could someone provide a source for it?
2. Assuming that it's possible for champion characters in Arcane to die, they still declared Arcane to be canon and not one of their many AUs. Now, I know Riot has a record of retconning lore and backstories whenever it suits them, and there don't seem to be any major complaints about continuity when they've done it in the past; that being said, if the show never has a point for each character where they fully align with their in-game portrayal (Police Brutality Vi, Cult Leader Viktor, etc.), then that would mean the playable versions of those characters would no longer be canon, and I have a hard time believing that Riot would have actively conflicting continuity like that. They could work around it by overhauling champion dialogue to match their personalities in Arcane, or they could even go so far as declaring the in-game portrayals to be non-canon, but neither of those seem likely. Does this seem like a solid enough foundation to be able to assume each character in Arcane will intersect with the portrayal of the champions in League of Legends itself at some point in the story? To be clear, that point doesn't need to be at the end of the show, it doesn't need to be simultaneous for everyone, and it doesn't even need to be shown as part of Arcane. The way I'm proposing this, it would be possible for a character to align with their champion and then die a couple of episodes later, and it would also be possible for a character to end the show with a clear path in front of them to become the champion we see in LoL without that version of their character ever appearing in Arcane. Please let me know if you see any flaws, fallacies, or missing pieces of information in this theorycrafting approach.
I'm pretty sure the actual game is non-canon to the lore and has been since forever.
@@metachirality To be precise, Summoner's Rift (the location you fight in the game) is not cannon. The characters themselves are, unless they're AUs.
That said, assuming the game chara ters are even still cannon (and not just outdated), it could be a situation where the character are pulled from different points in time, rather than all from the same time. Again, Summoner's Rift isn't actually real, so there aren't any hard rules to contradict.
@@DLxxx Exactly! The "different points in time" part is what I'm talking about when I said the characters could have a clear path to becoming their champions at the end of Arcane, or becoming the champions and then developing further or even dying.
@@metachirality Everything is canon to something, so if the game is non-canon, then what preexisting canon has Arcane been made an official part of?
@@iSmartMan1 The LoL lore, which is different from the game because Summoner's Rift doesn't exist
Never been here so fast - LEAKS!? 👀
So I had a theory that Caitlyn's squad that she's leading is a last ditch attempt to stop war from happening? I was thinking that she bargained with Ambessa, hence the "your council is DEAD" and the determined look in her face was her wanting war not to happen. Like, Caitlyn desperately didnt want war in the last season, so i figured she'd want the same in this one? Im unsure, i want to hear from others on it.
(The writers are trying their damn hardest to put me in a rubber room jeSUS FUCKING CHRIST)
November is just gonna be a tear filled blur
I still am thinking that Jinx -v- Vi fight scene is an Act-1 Ending, I don’t think we’ve seen an Act-3 Enforcer Vi