GAHH wrong clip at 4:57-5:18 😫must have been a scrap leftover after adjusting to avoid content ID. Here's what that part was supposed to look like: th-cam.com/video/zK1-kI67vkI/w-d-xo.html EDIT: also how tf did i misspell SQUIRCLE... 😅
it would be so cool if you watched and analyzed Blue Eye Samurai, I haven't seen anyone analyze it and it's an amazing show with a lot to unpack! Also great video! Happy spiderversary! :D
On a side note, I never enjoyed the intro to the 90's Romeo + Juliet (but enjoyed a lot more of the rest of the film), because of it's way of explaining the plot. Did like Leguizamo's first few lines, though.
I made a Minecraft map with a theme song intro a while back, and I can testify that there is NOTHING more fun than hiding the most plot significant details in plain sight!
It even does it a 2nd time with Rios speech to miles. Everything she said happens exactly like she told him and she even paved the way out for him. Truly impressive writing
The drummer is the backbone of the band, the one that puts the structure and rhythm in every song, and in contrast, Gwen lives a life of not knowing where to go, without any direction because of all what she's been through.
we'll see what happens in the next one though, because by the end of Across, she's put together a team to save miles, making her something of a backbone, bringing the team together. By the end of Across, it feels like shes found her structure
6:00 fun fact about PTSD and CPTSD; they completely wreck your perception of time because dissociation and flashbacks (nobody tells you how weird a flashback feels) so thats a good way of communicating visually her mental and emotional state. Another thing that I notice when you jump back to the helicopter scene, being calm and collected in high stress situations because for a change all the fight or flight chemicals your dealing with finally are in their proper element.
But this time, she completely lost perception of time because of the multiversal travel. And she was concentrating in that fight, cause of the contextual meaning of it. If she didn’t kept the calm, everyone, including his dad, would’ve died.
Hm. Has some similarities to ADHD there, it seems, in both the perception of time and handling of high stress situations. Obviously different roots, but a comparable outcome maybe?
@@trevordillon1921 As someone with ADHD who's a dancer instead of a drummer, but still relies a lot on beat and rhythm (and tbh Gwen's costume and motion is all very dance-coded so that's probably still applicable) I *loved* this analysis. Of course, as a dancer, I'm usually *following* the drums/beat, although I'll interpret that in different ways depending on any number of factors. But I absolutely function great in high-stress situations where I don't have the time to overthink everything and my full attention is actually being forcefully captured, it's like any emotional stress or anxiety just vanishes and I can just *act.* Something I've noticed about ADHD in my life is that sometimes, I actually get better at a basic task if I make it more challenging. So, instead of just walking on the sidewalk, I might walk along the edge of the curb. Or a lot of the time, around the house, I'll almost more dance than walk, and I'm far less likely to bump into things if I'm dancing than if I'm walking. It's got something to do with dopamine levels requiring more baseline stimulation in an ADHD brain, meaning I can get distracted if the task isn't interesting enough but if I make it more engaging then I can usually perform way better.
rookie numbers. when a work of art really clicks with me, it becomes part of me for as long as i breathe. spiderverse and gwen, is legitamately part of who i am
Man, you are so good at these. My mind was blown when you're friend was talking about the drums, and I was realizing just how sensitive/fragile drums are as a component, while also being one of the most vital parts of a song. That IS Gwen
My mind was also blown, because it reminded me of a ReacttotheK’s reaction to “Feel my Rhythm”, by red velvet. In the video, they define rhythm as “the placement of sound in time,” or “the organization of time.” The drummer sets the rhythm, and over the course of the movie, Gwen finds the rhythm. So fucking cool. (Mentioned the kpop song bc it’s a project crafted by music nerds that ultimately has a similar to vibe to what people who watch Schnee would probably enjoy too, like the bridge of the song traveling through different times and spaces because it’s all about rhythm, and Air on G String).
I also love the contrast of Gwen appearing and moving like a ballerina while as Spider-Woman, but being a drummer as Gwen. It plays on the duality of Spider People between their secret identity and being a hero and also speaks for a lot of people watching, who see themselves as one thing on the inside while appearing differently to the world.
3:52 I'm sure someone else pointed this out already, but the wizard of Oz was shot entirely in black and white and they added color to the film later. Back then, technicolor was relatively new and this movie was one of the first movies many people saw in color, making it that much more magical.
You're technically right but in case people think this means The Wizard of Oz was hand colored instead of real colors captured by the camera I hope you'll indulge me to add: Oz was shot using a Technicolor camera that split the light from the camera lens onto three different strips of film. Each strip of film would capture only one of three colors on the light spectrum onto black and white film (all other colors filtered out). After filming, each roll of film was dyed the color that was allowed to pass onto the film (the film that only captured yellow light was dyed yellow, the film with only magenta light was dyed magenta, and the cyan, cyan). Then those dyes Were combined in layers onto one piece of film to restore the original colors captured.
Literally having your friends share their insight through recording rather than just quoting them is such a lovely touch. (Also, Squirkle's slight outrage at their voice 'not sounding like that' at the end is just endearing. XD)
As a person whose been raised around music, something that wasn't mentioned is how drums are a backing instrument, not just in role, they are physically in the back. Whenever you see drums anywhere, they are Always in the back and there is an acoustic reason for this. The entire band listens to the drums, so if they are in front, the entire band will sound a little late, as the sound travels backwards towards them. The drums Need to be in the back, especially in a large and spread out ensemble like a marching band, so that the sound can layer on top of them. I also find it interesting that 90% of the time, the only time a drum is featured is in a solo format. You touched on this, but it's a bit deeper than that. I've only heard one song where drums were the "featured artist," that wasn't a drum solo (if you're wondering what it is its Hades II, in the 2nd boss fight the drums are sometimes the featured artist but the guitar and vocalist still do stuff). I feel like there's something there in a drum only being featured when they're on their own. I may be thinking a bit too much
Not even a minute in and he's already spot on. The best part about this movie is you can watch it like a cinephile a thousand times and analyze it to it's bones and be completely satisfied, but also you can just turn your brain off and still hold onto the movie! One thing that's a huge issue for me is watching movies that 'cinephiles' love because it's 'art' are usually just a convaluted jumble of tone poetry and it's hard for me, a casual viewer, to enjoy. But this? I can watch this with my brain off and STILL love it, BUT so can my cinephile friends!
Or maybe he is really empathetic and, even though he may not suffer as these characters have, he can understand. Maybe not easily. But really puts the effort to do so.
i did band in middle school (played flute and clarinet) and one day when we were *really* off beat, my director frustratingly asked the class "whose job is it to keep time?" everyone in unison said "percussion" but that just made him angrier. he said "NO! the correct answer is EVERYONE. it's your own responsibility to make sure you're on the beat." even after he said that, my band classes (even when I made the "advanced" audition only band in high school) always implicitly relied on percussion to keep everything in order. it's interesting how this one section bears more responsibility to keep time, even compared to other instruments like bass or tuba.
They set the tone however your teacher is still right. Percussion cant be the only one to be on point all the time everyone gotta carry the responsibility
The last scene of this movie gets me obsessed, the whole music, but especially the last 20 seconds. It's like an anthem for everyone involved with one clear purpose in mind.
I also really think “you didn’t catch him Gwen” and her trying to reunite with miles and ultimately regretting it, with both the characters and the audience now blaming ruining the society and hurting miles on her is also such a cruel and sad showcase of her unfair responsibility and the chaos from trying to put energy into everything. “I should’ve never come to see you” and throwing the car in anger sounds/looks so much more pitiful knowing that after finally finding a balance between everything it’s falling apart again. She deserves the happiest ending ever
A very small detail I noticed while you were showing the scene at 13:17, when she's jumping the first time: if you look at the composition of the frame with the webs, the light from the helicopter and Gwen ascending, it kinda looks like she's a flying angel. Like, this is her moment of paradise within the rhythm. This movie is so great it deserves a frame by frame analysis even more than a scene-by-scene analysis!
Nice catch! I think if this was intentional, then it's likely meant to mirror Miles's "What's Up, Danger?," aka the Leap of Faith scene in the first movie, where he jumps off a large building with his now controlled abilities. The camera turns upside down, making it seem like Miles is ascending and therefore, "flying." The "top" of the shot is the bottom, where all the streets are, and there is a noticeable light that resembles something "heavenly," like the lights from the helicopter that u mentioned with Gwen. Gwen and Miles are going through very similar situations in being superheroes, but explore it in different ways, which I why I think these two scenes are meant to "mirror" each other in a way and show us that they are actually more alike in struggles than we think. It would such a treat if it was canonically this explanation!
Oh yeah. I know exactly what scene this is and as a 2D animator... I was so freaking impressed by it, it might be my favourite scene out the whole movie. Gwen's movements are so precise and the impact of everything is so clear. I like it more than the Miles chase tbh. And the way Miguel says "I was gonna do that..." after the helicopter, ahhh so good! Like even when I'm listening to the Soundtack, the song is hype and also so precise. With Miguel's police siren in the background and Gwen's theme taking the lead in some spots.
It's so interesting how important it is as a writer to have hobbies. Whoever wrote this scene and this character and this whole character arc clearly knew what they were doing. They knew how bands work and what it means to be a drummer and they fed that into the character to create this beautiful synchronicity. I see it in my own work where there are underlying patterns that dovetail into my other experiences. This character fights the way I play MOBAs. That character's internal values are informed by card game design logic. The other characters' structure and behaviors are modeled on MMO guild politics. And these were things I didn't even know I was doing. It's just natural. The way a lifetime of accumulated knowledge in unrelated fields filters into written work through patterns and themes that weren't even the point of any of it.
One thing I'd like to add as a drummer is that I've always felt that one of (if not THE) most important things you demonstrate and bring to the music is setting the intensity. This is true in interpreting a song in a cover, when creating an original composition, and--especially--during improvisation. I cannot tell you how many times I've been able to lock in with fellow musicians during a jam and been able to nudge them to open up and play a "bigger", "chorusy" version of whatever they've been vamping on, just by slowly playing with greater intensity or force. It's amazing how responsive people are to embodying the energy of the percussionist. I see this as being reflected in Gwen's hero and combat style. As you say, she's not a traditional "fighter" and doesn't throw out a lot of punches or kicks, despite the fact that she would be especially good at it (I mean, hitting and kicking is all there is to playing a drum kit at the end of the day). It really feels to me like everything she does is in service of escalating or de-escalating encounters as needed and on-the-fly, which I see mirrored in my experience on the drums. She dictates the tempo, but she also tries to dictate how "big" a moment feels.
Absolutely fuddamuckin' NAILED IT. So damn good. My grin just got progressively wider over time, especially during the comment from the drummer compadré. Dopeness!
I relate to Gwen honestly, so much. She struggles silently with the feeling that she doesnt fit in anywhere, "cant find the right band", having nobody to express and talk about her problem to, struggling with communication is just so much. She uses drums to express, I dance in ballet to express my stress… ballet is an art performance where you dont express with your words but moves, which in this case, dance moves. I believe Gwen did/does ballet, it could also be one little reason on why her body language stands out so much, ballet performances are dramatic, you want to move your body a lot and dramatically because theres no dialogues, only music and your body language and expression to tell the story. Maybe thats also why her body language speaks louder then words, which makes her character just so interesting because there seems so much to her, cant wait for the third movie!
I wasn't expecting to get emotional at the analysis of a 53 second clip, but after hearing all your points I was tearing up! This scene is so masterfully done and integrates so many complicated emotions together into one perfect triumphant scene as compared to the bleakness we see beforehand. Thank you for shining light on this scene!
5:04 this entire movie is gwen talking to her "band" at the end of the movie "i didnt want to hurt him but i did" then at the end of the film "you want in?"
It is so sad when people ignore to even check out a masterful storytelling that is also a piece of art on its own just because it is animated. There are so damn many animated shows and movies that are miles and miles away more deep and engaging than live action movies.
7:58 there’s also the fact that the way she interacts with him is very touch-related. She’s hugging him, interacting with his stuff, trying to get to know and understand him better by flipping through his drawings. People might see this as an invasion of privacy and boundaries, but to her, it’s how she interacts with people, it’s how she shows interest and comfort. It’s her love language.
This is handsdown my favourite shot because I never thinking about it Edit: just finished watching the video and you’ve unpeeled all the layers of depth that I’ve felt from this scene. Another thing I notice was how absolutely exhausted Gwen is by the end of it. She’s at her peak performance and executing perfection, then literally collapses from the intensity and focus. It’s like a burn out and bit tragic when you see that this state is never going to last, how her life will never be as coordinated as this sequence.
This was so well done and made me relate to Gwen even more- her isolation, her difficulty with verbal expression but comfort with activity, her ability to use action to bond. So many layers to this movie. Also this video checked so many boxes-thank you for breaking down the lizard crashing prom scene (it got me too… the dissonance between the song and the on-screen events) and Eden’s description of DRUMS really was incredible… I feel like I need to be paying to watch this channel stg ❤
I really want to analyze the contrast between the two versions of "Across the Spiderverse", (intro) and (start a band), both of which are symbolically connected to Gwen, but where (intro) breaks apart and she goes off-script and gets called out by her band ending the song, (start a band) lets her keep going. Gwen has found her rhythm and she is no longer trying to find a place that she can belong and fit in and necessarily 'join', she is making her own place, her own band, and she's learned from miles about how to move forwards. I can feel that there's a lot more that can be uncovered from those two songs and especially from the two of them side-by-side, but I don't have the time nor the expertise to talk about it in full here. It stays in my head a lot though, and I always love to see your analysis of art like this, both Spiderverse and Arcane really hit a part of my soul, and they both hold an exceptionally special place in my heart, so you not only sharing that interest but also diving even deeper is so wonderful to me.
insane how you are obsessed by the same fluid, fast-paced actions scenes that I am, thought about this one gwen scene for MONTHS and same for the ekko and jink one, insanely well explained and well crafted in-depth explanations
Gwen has always been a super relatable character to me. Initially, I thought it was just because I liked her style and the fact that she's a drummer (like me). But after watching your video, I realized there's more to it. You mentioned finding other people's rhythm, and that really clicked for me. I've always had a knack for picking up on other people's "rhythms." It's actually a skill I'm using in my career in social work. However, I've always struggled with verbal communication. Thanks to your video, I have an even greater appreciation for Gwen's characterization in Spider-Verse and I can't help but feel seen in a way I haven't felt before.
I think it's great that at the end of the video, you finally address one common argument people make about "overanalysis" in your videos: That the scene isn't that deep, and that there are deeper scenes in the piece of media. I know that you've already addressed the idea of "overanalysis" in many other videos, such as your video on how to think and the video on the train scene in spirited away, but I think this is a great comment on the analysis of scenes that may not be as critical, but are still linked to the themes and deeper meaning of the media in an important way that makes analysing them useful, rather than simply analysing all the crucial scenes and calling it a day. I also like your commitment to ensuring some kind of practical take-home message for aspiring writers who also want to create their own art and are exploring other art to gain inspiration. Even if I'll likely never write a piece of art remotely close to this, or even on a small scale, I think it's useful both for aspiring writers and for people who want to gain a different perspective on writing and creating art. This was a great video! It's reminded me of how much I love this movie, and how much depth there is to explore in it.
I absolutely adore your enthusiasm for this film series, and I feel you SO much. I’d be referencing you if I ever made a video about this like you did with other friends, haha. What stood out to me was how the villains don’t play a large role in this movie, which I never thought about before. But you’re so right - this movie is not about stopping someone evil or stopping bad from happening but learning what is happening with our main characters and how they view the world. Yes, they have The Spot and the other anomalies, but it’s so clear that this movie doesn’t want us to take from the action as ‘halting the big bad’ but see how it develops our characters and shows us how they express unity, heroism, and heart. And the drums portion also blew my mind because there’s only one Gwen in the middle of a chorus of Peters which is an absolutely incredible find in the storytelling. Kudos, dude. I’m thoroughly enjoying going through your videos.
Regarding the point you make at 22:35: I can't remember if we've discussed this or whether you've mentioned it on your videos, but I'm always reminded of the words of Socrates in The Apology when he talks about the poets: "I turned to the poets, dramatic, lyric, and all the rest, in the belief that here I should expose myself as a comparative ignoramus. I used to pick up what I thought were some of their most perfect works and question them closely about the meaning of what they had written, in the hope of incidentally enlarging my own knowledge. Well, gentlemen, I hesitate to tell you the truth, but it must be told. It is hardly an exaggeration to say that any of the bystanders could have explained those poems better than their actual authors. So I soon made up my mind about the poets too. I decided that it was not wisdom that enabled them to write their poetry, but a kind of instinct or inspiration, such as you find in seers and prophets who deliver all their sublime messages without knowing in the least what they mean. It seemed clear to me that the poets were in much the same case." An artist can produce a work of great depth without having any conscious understanding of that depth.
9:12 indirectly, he is crushed by her, afterall, she caused the collapse by throwing him with not just way too much force, but also in the worst place possible, the main structure, that fell on him moments later. Is how one mistake can backfire on her badly.
ive always had a bit of a disconnect with Gwen and her character, i just couldn't really get her the way i did others, so this analysis of her helped me immensely in gaining a different perspective on her and how she acts. thank you for this outstanding anniversary video, it should really have a lot more views!
Ever since you (and others) showed me just how freakishly relatable ATSV Gwen is to me, I have been borderline obsessed with her in a way (hence all the videos I made about her--about myself). Looking at her is like looking into a mirror. You and these deep-dive analyses are refreshing. "It's kinda nice not being the only Spider-[fan] around"
As a musician, you hit things really well! A 100 peace band may be supposed to watch the conductor but the percussion really sets the speed. Iv played with drummers that do what you said and it's epic. Music is one of the most intimate forms of teamwork that's humanly possible. Band is family.
Dude's friend Aidan is my favorite archetype of musician. The type that gets really... REALLY eloquent, and damn near poetic, when talking about the structure and theory of music
You know what I also noticed? That the band from the back looks like Jessica, hobe and miles with his hoodie on. Might be coincidence. But I was like cool. Also thank you. Everytime I try to explain things like this but in anime I feel like people can’t understand me. Or think I am crazy. I also learn a lot from you! 😭
This is so irrelevant but I can not emphasise how excited Gwen's theme makes me in this scene. It's accidentally become the theme for my D&D character, and the DM started playing it when she dueled in our last session. It's SUCH a good song.
This analysis video was so inspiring. As a writer, I always want to make my writing great, and even get to this level. There’s something so incredibly awespiring about this movie franchise. I can’t get enough. Thank you for this video.
I love this scene too.❤ I always thought the shot of Gwen closing her eyes and the background comparing the helicopter blades with her drumsticks was meant to symbolize how she goes about her role of Spider-Man. She feels the rhythm of the situation and immediately jumps in and follows the beat. Whether that’s music or fighting. The rhythm also explains her dancer style and gymnastics background. 🤸
haha i love the idea of this video that you just loved the scene so much it was driving you crazy that you didnt know why so you dig a deeper hole tryna figure it out also i really love music too, and seeing how gwen uses music as this stabilising beat in crises and this way to reach out to ppl (ie being in a band as metaphor for friends), seeing how saturated gwen's life is in drums even if it is a side thing its all familiar and makes me feel that they portrayed this love of music properly i think the point about time is interesting, in my experience struggling with mental health or struggling with being at the very least 'ok' most days it feels like time is not linear. more accurately that its hard to keep up with the present without being pulling back into the past. i did not see this when i watched the movie, thanks for sharing it
"You have the right to remain silent". So her father is pushing her in the arms of the band she can communicate non-verbally. She remains silent, she acts.
I'm so grateful for minds like yours that actively seek out these kinds of questions and analyses of media, as someone who tends to just like things if they "feel good" and has no active drive to dive deeper than that. You sharing your insight into some incredible works of art like spiderverse really makes me appreciate the artpiece even more than I already did. Good job 👍
One thing about Gwen and the artstyle in her universe that stuck out to me is that it’s all really detached and apathetic. Her whole character is based on this socially and emotionally detached characteristic of her, it kinda loosens reality around, from the art being slightly abstract and fauvistic (i think this isn’t what i mean someone correct me), the transitions being surreal, chill lofi music during a monster attack; it all feels like the apathy born from loneliness and social isolation. It made me uncomfortable because it was all the things I loved done in the ‘wrong’ way. Pls add to this i wanna know if anyone else felt this way or what other deeper aspects of this uve delved into
This made me think about how when Gwen gets kicked out of spider society back to her dimension and she sneaks back into her room (to get the polaroid of Miles) it was already opened by Captain Stacy as maybe a setup and establishment that while Gwen was gone he was trying to understand her and got how Gwen communicates OR where she would put something she cared about (that's the best way I can put it, the scene we see the drum case opened is where they come to an understanding and after the resolve he still calls parenting a mystery). He could've got this prior but I don't think that rhymes with how spiderverse does character progression. I just looked back at the scene and there's a really important detail I also want to mention. The polaroid is of Gwen in her costume but Miles is in his normal clothes. I wonder if he was sleeping by it with a bit of comfort that Gwen had someone out there for her or more somberly someone like Peter (I just wonder who he thought Miles was). This is also something I love so much about spiderverse is that writers will usually have 'obvious' things happen to get characters in situations but for these movies you can find deeper understanding when you look into it -> Captain Stacy grabbing the polaroid and putting it in the room with him makes Gwen have to enter to get it. Did he understand that the polaroid was so special to Gwen (because it was in the drum) that she would try to get it was he hoping she would take that opportunity to 'just look at him?' Also was that a joke...like this whole time he can't tell if spider people are looking at him directly or was he just trying to be humorous with Gwen for her to just fail at reciprocating it that scene where they have their resolve. ... I'm also very entranced by Spiderverse and it will be consuming me until I extinguish, what a great way to go. This stuff alone will be ringing in my head for the oncoming weeks.
God I love this movie so much. It’s like you can always find something new about every character and scene on a rewatch. On top of the stellar storytelling, the fact that it’s (gorgeously) animated gives the movie so much opportunity to express itself through that fact rather than try to look as realistic as possible. It embraces the fact that it’s animated and that just elevates it to a whole new level for me. I genuinely hate the fact that so many people see this as a kids movie and while yes, a child can ENJOY it, look at the pretty pictures and marvel at the action, this movie can only truly be UNDERSTOOD by an older audience (and I don’t mean this as a comparison to movies like Shrek, because to me Shrek at its core is a kids movie. Kids can understand it but it has so much for adults to enjoy which at least to me is the opposite of the Spiderverse movies. Not saying Shrek is bad, I’m saying it’s different) Genuinely my current favourite movie of all time.
i think the reason the music is so chill when fighting peter is because that music made it sound like (to me) that she was left alone at the dance, and she was by peter, just in a very different way then normal so thats why the music stays
I don't know if it's just me, but the way you delve into these scenes, (Arcane, Spiderverse, ect) makes the the viewing experience come alive in a new way. It sounds like it's not always appreciated by everyone to annalize something with this much detail, but I find this makes the whole experience of the movie SO much more enriching! Continue the great work!
I kinda felt this not as a drummer but as a vocalist. Vocals have zero sway in the tempo, melody, or direction of a song, they are at the complete mercy of the other musicians, but they are responsible for how the concert is remembered. Nobody's going to remember if the drummer messed up a few times if the vocalist killed it, but if lead guitar is having the best night of their life nobody's going to remember that if the vocalist isn't feeling it. THEY are the ones the people are listening to. Miles, despite his inexperience, strikes me as a vocalist because he's amazing at 'making music' with other people, RE: Mumbattin, as long as he's got a tempo or a melody. This vid actually made me go back and re-watch both 1 and 2 from the point of a drummer, and I'm tempted to go back and watch both again just to kind of 'slot' people in a band now. Love your vids!
24:07 I would love to hear your takes on every scene lmao I love the way you break down these videos and as I wanna be writer myself, it seriously helps so much with planning and working on my book. The way you break down these moments is almost like a story itself and I wish to one day have my work broken down like this lmao Keep up the great work and look forward to rewatching this video!
The action scene felt good because the old spiderman series has loss that it feels good that for now everyone lives but has meaning as she would not have stopped the helicopter if she was working alone
I can feel the love from here. This really made me appreciate Gwen more. Throughout the movies she always felt off, like she was lost and unfocused. But i kept getting glances of her not being lost, she was clear and direct. I just couldn't get why. She is who she is and i love her.
Fantastic analysis! I always thought it was cool that her drums sound so chaotic in the intro, drowning out her band members, but by the end of the movie the drums are complimenting and giving center stage to the other instruments. Of course with a movie like this it always goes layers and layers deeper than you first thought
i'm so glad to hear this lol, in reality i haven't touched a drumset in like 6 years 😅 (and i agree that i should also make videos-fingers crossed that i follow through on it)
I just had exam season, and when I wanted to relax I would think back to this movie. Then I told myself I would watch this movie every time I felt like quitting, as a way to push myself through the boredom. Funnily enough I was going to watch it today and now this video came up. A warm up!
this video is really good, I learned a lot. I'm honestly really impresed with how deep these movies can be but dang, when you said Gwen likes to bond with Miles by "doing physical stuff" my mind went to places it really shouldn't have. well done, it got a laugh word choice matters kids
It sounds like you got a great band! 😛 . . . Incidentally, this whole thing is why fash-ism is the ultimate villain in so many stories. Fash-ism is all about FORCING people. Into roles that don't fit, into groups that don't love or care about them, into serving people who are just using them, into presentments of their Self that are fake/inauthentic, into staying in situations that harm them. Just...nailing people down, depriving them of movement, depriving them of mental or physical health, depriving them of support, depriving them of the ability to act or to develop or to become. No one can shine like that. And tbh, that is what fash-ists want: because a person who is shining (ESPECIALLY if it's a marginalized person) flies in the face of their world view: that humanity is scum and must be very rigidly controlled. That those among humanity who are "different" must be eliminated. That only those in power deserve to shine. Any society that shines and is healthy and thriving is less willing to give up power to the fash-ists. Fash-ists literally can't afford for anyone but their "great men" to shine, because every person who is not great who thrives _without having the "benefit" of being approved under a fash-ist thumb,_ *disproves* their utter and complete nonsense. I love it. Gwen is gonna bring brightness back to the Spiderverse, and I can't wait to see it🎉
The role of a drummer/drums in music can be simplified down to being the one who keeps the beat, keeps the rhythm going. When you explained how in the opening fight Gwen moves with flow, each action happening before the previous action is finished, and how satisfying that is, I couldn't stop thinking about how how she moves like her chosen instrument plays. It feels as though she has rhythm in her head holding her focus with her precision. (Edit: commented this before watching the part where your friend talks about drums, so its not the most informed but hey i think the point still stands)
Across the Spider-Verse is my favorite film, and it’s because of things like this. I have watched it so many times and I can’t get enough of it. Your analysis videos of it have been so much appreciated, as I get to see someone else geek out about this movie as much as I do and talk about concepts with it I’ve never even noticed before.
No wonder why I vibed so hard with Gwen. This is how I am in life too. Thank you Schnee for this video. It's helped me tell myself "I am worthy" in my day to day.
You can really feel yourself focusing in the scene when she closes her eyes, gathers her thoughts, and focuses too. Then she jumps into action. And in the first intro part of the movie when she's walking away from her band, the other members are in pink while she's blue to really show that contrast. Beautiful, I literally need to watch this entire movie over and over again I need to figure this thing out I love it. It's beautiful. It gives me life. I live for its subtle details, it's everything to me.
My analysis half-way through: (I think this is what you're getting at) So we start off with the desaturated but incredibly stylistic intro, establishing the contrast between her and her dad, she's going through the motions and it's ruining her. Then she gets back into the flow of it and is able to actually release her potential through the save scene. She's been unable to communciate with her father so she's overcompensating; she feels trapped and unable to tell her dad the truth. Because as you say, she expresses her emotion physically. So when it gets too much she quickly centres herself by remembering the drum beat and jumps into saving people, relieving the stress she's feeling temporarily as she gets a small reprieve where she dons her mask and gets to do the hero thing. Additionally I really like the conflict scenes between her and her dad, we start off with the backgrounds beginning to solidify into representations of their ideological beliefs, then contrasting. The harsh black and white of the cop-dad and the bright, colourful, painful emotion of the spider-woman. And then in the end, these melt away and the background retreats, letting the characters stand as they are. This is them saying that their personal beliefs don't matter; and that her father has chosen to 'be her dad for a minute'; which is just..👌.
GAHH wrong clip at 4:57-5:18 😫must have been a scrap leftover after adjusting to avoid content ID. Here's what that part was supposed to look like:
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EDIT: also how tf did i misspell SQUIRCLE... 😅
Thanks 😂😂
If you breakdown drums into beats and look at sheet music, and put that on the tempo of fighting…🤔
Yet another TH-camr uses wrong clip in their video analysis, more tonight at 11...
it would be so cool if you watched and analyzed Blue Eye Samurai, I haven't seen anyone analyze it and it's an amazing show with a lot to unpack! Also great video! Happy spiderversary! :D
lol its nice to know people are human, especially here 20:52
The movie essentially spoiled itself in the intro...and we never caught on. That's good writing dammit.
Like romeo and juliet but badass
I'll say it again. These guys thought of EVERYTHING.
On a side note, I never enjoyed the intro to the 90's Romeo + Juliet (but enjoyed a lot more of the rest of the film), because of it's way of explaining the plot. Did like Leguizamo's first few lines, though.
I made a Minecraft map with a theme song intro a while back, and I can testify that there is NOTHING more fun than hiding the most plot significant details in plain sight!
It even does it a 2nd time with Rios speech to miles. Everything she said happens exactly like she told him and she even paved the way out for him. Truly impressive writing
This is what we call dedication, or braindisease, idk one or the other
Same thinig
Genius tends to be a bit of a both
This isn't brainrot it's brain nourishment.
Good directing.
The drummer is the backbone of the band, the one that puts the structure and rhythm in every song, and in contrast, Gwen lives a life of not knowing where to go, without any direction because of all what she's been through.
we'll see what happens in the next one though, because by the end of Across, she's put together a team to save miles, making her something of a backbone, bringing the team together. By the end of Across, it feels like shes found her structure
6:00 fun fact about PTSD and CPTSD; they completely wreck your perception of time because dissociation and flashbacks (nobody tells you how weird a flashback feels) so thats a good way of communicating visually her mental and emotional state. Another thing that I notice when you jump back to the helicopter scene, being calm and collected in high stress situations because for a change all the fight or flight chemicals your dealing with finally are in their proper element.
Cool to notice
But this time, she completely lost perception of time because of the multiversal travel.
And she was concentrating in that fight, cause of the contextual meaning of it. If she didn’t kept the calm, everyone, including his dad, would’ve died.
Hm. Has some similarities to ADHD there, it seems, in both the perception of time and handling of high stress situations. Obviously different roots, but a comparable outcome maybe?
@@trevordillon1921 As someone with ADHD who's a dancer instead of a drummer, but still relies a lot on beat and rhythm (and tbh Gwen's costume and motion is all very dance-coded so that's probably still applicable) I *loved* this analysis. Of course, as a dancer, I'm usually *following* the drums/beat, although I'll interpret that in different ways depending on any number of factors. But I absolutely function great in high-stress situations where I don't have the time to overthink everything and my full attention is actually being forcefully captured, it's like any emotional stress or anxiety just vanishes and I can just *act.*
Something I've noticed about ADHD in my life is that sometimes, I actually get better at a basic task if I make it more challenging. So, instead of just walking on the sidewalk, I might walk along the edge of the curb. Or a lot of the time, around the house, I'll almost more dance than walk, and I'm far less likely to bump into things if I'm dancing than if I'm walking. It's got something to do with dopamine levels requiring more baseline stimulation in an ADHD brain, meaning I can get distracted if the task isn't interesting enough but if I make it more engaging then I can usually perform way better.
I feel like a fool for not realizing just how consistent “can’t precisely communicate her feelings with words” is as a character trait for Gwen.
Gwen and Miles actually act like realistic teens. It’s refreshing.
They also speak like it. The Sony Spider-Man games can learn smth.
When this movie dropped talking about it was my entire personality for 2 whole weeks
Not to brag but mine was for a year and still going strong
rookie numbers. when a work of art really clicks with me, it becomes part of me for as long as i breathe. spiderverse and gwen, is legitamately part of who i am
I feel that. I still drop everything I rant about this movie. I need to watch it again
It was mine for a whole month.
Bestie it’s still my entire personality wdym
Man, you are so good at these. My mind was blown when you're friend was talking about the drums, and I was realizing just how sensitive/fragile drums are as a component, while also being one of the most vital parts of a song. That IS Gwen
lowkey made me realize many ways i relate to her (i want to be a movie editor)
My mind was also blown, because it reminded me of a ReacttotheK’s reaction to “Feel my Rhythm”, by red velvet. In the video, they define rhythm as “the placement of sound in time,” or “the organization of time.” The drummer sets the rhythm, and over the course of the movie, Gwen finds the rhythm. So fucking cool.
(Mentioned the kpop song bc it’s a project crafted by music nerds that ultimately has a similar to vibe to what people who watch Schnee would probably enjoy too, like the bridge of the song traveling through different times and spaces because it’s all about rhythm, and Air on G String).
I also love the contrast of Gwen appearing and moving like a ballerina while as Spider-Woman, but being a drummer as Gwen. It plays on the duality of Spider People between their secret identity and being a hero and also speaks for a lot of people watching, who see themselves as one thing on the inside while appearing differently to the world.
It's also definitely fitting, since a good sense of rhythm is *super* important for dancers as well.
@@DarthRayj Groeing up I always called dancing drumming with my feet
3:52 I'm sure someone else pointed this out already, but the wizard of Oz was shot entirely in black and white and they added color to the film later. Back then, technicolor was relatively new and this movie was one of the first movies many people saw in color, making it that much more magical.
You're technically right but in case people think this means The Wizard of Oz was hand colored instead of real colors captured by the camera I hope you'll indulge me to add:
Oz was shot using a Technicolor camera that split the light from the camera lens onto three different strips of film. Each strip of film would capture only one of three colors on the light spectrum onto black and white film (all other colors filtered out). After filming, each roll of film was dyed the color that was allowed to pass onto the film (the film that only captured yellow light was dyed yellow, the film with only magenta light was dyed magenta, and the cyan, cyan). Then those dyes Were combined in layers onto one piece of film to restore the original colors captured.
"The Avengers?... is that a band? Are you in. a band?" - Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man.
Wasn't that Tobie's Peter who said that ?
No, Tobey said "The Avengers!? That's great! What is that?"
@@jjstarrprod No it was Andrew
Literally having your friends share their insight through recording rather than just quoting them is such a lovely touch. (Also, Squirkle's slight outrage at their voice 'not sounding like that' at the end is just endearing. XD)
"her attempts to engage go unappreciated". That hit like a brick boii
As a person whose been raised around music, something that wasn't mentioned is how drums are a backing instrument, not just in role, they are physically in the back. Whenever you see drums anywhere, they are Always in the back and there is an acoustic reason for this. The entire band listens to the drums, so if they are in front, the entire band will sound a little late, as the sound travels backwards towards them. The drums Need to be in the back, especially in a large and spread out ensemble like a marching band, so that the sound can layer on top of them.
I also find it interesting that 90% of the time, the only time a drum is featured is in a solo format. You touched on this, but it's a bit deeper than that. I've only heard one song where drums were the "featured artist," that wasn't a drum solo (if you're wondering what it is its Hades II, in the 2nd boss fight the drums are sometimes the featured artist but the guitar and vocalist still do stuff). I feel like there's something there in a drum only being featured when they're on their own. I may be thinking a bit too much
Nice point
oooh yeah, you're totally right about the backing instrument thing!! it's not something i've had to consider before but it makes SO much sense
Not even a minute in and he's already spot on. The best part about this movie is you can watch it like a cinephile a thousand times and analyze it to it's bones and be completely satisfied, but also you can just turn your brain off and still hold onto the movie! One thing that's a huge issue for me is watching movies that 'cinephiles' love because it's 'art' are usually just a convaluted jumble of tone poetry and it's hard for me, a casual viewer, to enjoy. But this? I can watch this with my brain off and STILL love it, BUT so can my cinephile friends!
I cant posibly imagine how much trauma this guy has gone through for him to understand EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER's troubles
Or maybe he is really empathetic and, even though he may not suffer as these characters have, he can understand.
Maybe not easily. But really puts the effort to do so.
Schnee has a law degree
@@voizeguyYeah. It's just empathy. Kind of sad that people don't know about it 😕.
@@fan4every1lol89having a law degree doesn’t help you become Empathetic trust me if anything it numbs you to other people’s experiences
@@hlogilehlogonolo5438 i was just stating it out there that Schnee is an intelligent person
i did band in middle school (played flute and clarinet) and one day when we were *really* off beat, my director frustratingly asked the class "whose job is it to keep time?"
everyone in unison said "percussion" but that just made him angrier.
he said "NO! the correct answer is EVERYONE. it's your own responsibility to make sure you're on the beat."
even after he said that, my band classes (even when I made the "advanced" audition only band in high school) always implicitly relied on percussion to keep everything in order. it's interesting how this one section bears more responsibility to keep time, even compared to other instruments like bass or tuba.
They set the tone however your teacher is still right. Percussion cant be the only one to be on point all the time everyone gotta carry the responsibility
The last scene of this movie gets me obsessed, the whole music, but especially the last 20 seconds. It's like an anthem for everyone involved with one clear purpose in mind.
I also really think “you didn’t catch him Gwen” and her trying to reunite with miles and ultimately regretting it, with both the characters and the audience now blaming ruining the society and hurting miles on her is also such a cruel and sad showcase of her unfair responsibility and the chaos from trying to put energy into everything. “I should’ve never come to see you” and throwing the car in anger sounds/looks so much more pitiful knowing that after finally finding a balance between everything it’s falling apart again. She deserves the happiest ending ever
A very small detail I noticed while you were showing the scene at 13:17, when she's jumping the first time: if you look at the composition of the frame with the webs, the light from the helicopter and Gwen ascending, it kinda looks like she's a flying angel. Like, this is her moment of paradise within the rhythm. This movie is so great it deserves a frame by frame analysis even more than a scene-by-scene analysis!
Nice catch! I think if this was intentional, then it's likely meant to mirror Miles's "What's Up, Danger?," aka the Leap of Faith scene in the first movie, where he jumps off a large building with his now controlled abilities. The camera turns upside down, making it seem like Miles is ascending and therefore, "flying." The "top" of the shot is the bottom, where all the streets are, and there is a noticeable light that resembles something "heavenly," like the lights from the helicopter that u mentioned with Gwen. Gwen and Miles are going through very similar situations in being superheroes, but explore it in different ways, which I why I think these two scenes are meant to "mirror" each other in a way and show us that they are actually more alike in struggles than we think. It would such a treat if it was canonically this explanation!
I love that you use the Jinx plush with a spider-gwen costume as an avatar
Oh yeah. I know exactly what scene this is and as a 2D animator... I was so freaking impressed by it, it might be my favourite scene out the whole movie. Gwen's movements are so precise and the impact of everything is so clear. I like it more than the Miles chase tbh. And the way Miguel says "I was gonna do that..." after the helicopter, ahhh so good!
Like even when I'm listening to the Soundtack, the song is hype and also so precise. With Miguel's police siren in the background and Gwen's theme taking the lead in some spots.
Can’t believe this movie is 1 year old I remember watching this movie in theaters like it was yesterday 😢🙏🏾😭🔥
It's so interesting how important it is as a writer to have hobbies. Whoever wrote this scene and this character and this whole character arc clearly knew what they were doing. They knew how bands work and what it means to be a drummer and they fed that into the character to create this beautiful synchronicity. I see it in my own work where there are underlying patterns that dovetail into my other experiences. This character fights the way I play MOBAs. That character's internal values are informed by card game design logic. The other characters' structure and behaviors are modeled on MMO guild politics. And these were things I didn't even know I was doing. It's just natural. The way a lifetime of accumulated knowledge in unrelated fields filters into written work through patterns and themes that weren't even the point of any of it.
One thing I'd like to add as a drummer is that I've always felt that one of (if not THE) most important things you demonstrate and bring to the music is setting the intensity. This is true in interpreting a song in a cover, when creating an original composition, and--especially--during improvisation. I cannot tell you how many times I've been able to lock in with fellow musicians during a jam and been able to nudge them to open up and play a "bigger", "chorusy" version of whatever they've been vamping on, just by slowly playing with greater intensity or force. It's amazing how responsive people are to embodying the energy of the percussionist.
I see this as being reflected in Gwen's hero and combat style. As you say, she's not a traditional "fighter" and doesn't throw out a lot of punches or kicks, despite the fact that she would be especially good at it (I mean, hitting and kicking is all there is to playing a drum kit at the end of the day). It really feels to me like everything she does is in service of escalating or de-escalating encounters as needed and on-the-fly, which I see mirrored in my experience on the drums. She dictates the tempo, but she also tries to dictate how "big" a moment feels.
Absolutely fuddamuckin' NAILED IT. So damn good. My grin just got progressively wider over time, especially during the comment from the drummer compadré. Dopeness!
fuck yeah, thank you!
This movie was sooooooo great I’m so happy and thankful that I got to experience this in the theater
my biggest envy of all time. i got put onto the ATSV stuff a year too late and now i WISHHH i knew/cared about it when it first released...
@@cosmicagent who knows they might have a rerelease
14:52 - This lines up so nicely with the Hobie analysis! Especially when he says he's looking out for his drummer
I relate to Gwen honestly, so much. She struggles silently with the feeling that she doesnt fit in anywhere, "cant find the right band", having nobody to express and talk about her problem to, struggling with communication is just so much. She uses drums to express, I dance in ballet to express my stress… ballet is an art performance where you dont express with your words but moves, which in this case, dance moves.
I believe Gwen did/does ballet, it could also be one little reason on why her body language stands out so much, ballet performances are dramatic, you want to move your body a lot and dramatically because theres no dialogues, only music and your body language and expression to tell the story. Maybe thats also why her body language speaks louder then words, which makes her character just so interesting because there seems so much to her, cant wait for the third movie!
I wasn't expecting to get emotional at the analysis of a 53 second clip, but after hearing all your points I was tearing up! This scene is so masterfully done and integrates so many complicated emotions together into one perfect triumphant scene as compared to the bleakness we see beforehand. Thank you for shining light on this scene!
dammit schnee I have things to do today!
...after this video
5:04 this entire movie is gwen talking to her "band" at the end of the movie "i didnt want to hurt him but i did" then at the end of the film "you want in?"
It is so sad when people ignore to even check out a masterful storytelling that is also a piece of art on its own just because it is animated. There are so damn many animated shows and movies that are miles and miles away more deep and engaging than live action movies.
7:58 there’s also the fact that the way she interacts with him is very touch-related. She’s hugging him, interacting with his stuff, trying to get to know and understand him better by flipping through his drawings. People might see this as an invasion of privacy and boundaries, but to her, it’s how she interacts with people, it’s how she shows interest and comfort. It’s her love language.
This is handsdown my favourite shot because I never thinking about it
Edit: just finished watching the video and you’ve unpeeled all the layers of depth that I’ve felt from this scene. Another thing I notice was how absolutely exhausted Gwen is by the end of it. She’s at her peak performance and executing perfection, then literally collapses from the intensity and focus. It’s like a burn out and bit tragic when you see that this state is never going to last, how her life will never be as coordinated as this sequence.
Schnee is the kind of guy who listens to one song on loop for eight solid hours
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@@schnee1 Excellent
The Shaolin Soccer theme is now the "sped-up montage of Schnee editing an hour-long video" theme
10:57 Her band is called the Mary Janes! 😂 Just now noticing this.
This was so well done and made me relate to Gwen even more- her isolation, her difficulty with verbal expression but comfort with activity, her ability to use action to bond. So many layers to this movie.
Also this video checked so many boxes-thank you for breaking down the lizard crashing prom scene (it got me too… the dissonance between the song and the on-screen events) and Eden’s description of DRUMS really was incredible… I feel like I need to be paying to watch this channel stg ❤
I really want to analyze the contrast between the two versions of "Across the Spiderverse", (intro) and (start a band), both of which are symbolically connected to Gwen, but where (intro) breaks apart and she goes off-script and gets called out by her band ending the song, (start a band) lets her keep going. Gwen has found her rhythm and she is no longer trying to find a place that she can belong and fit in and necessarily 'join', she is making her own place, her own band, and she's learned from miles about how to move forwards. I can feel that there's a lot more that can be uncovered from those two songs and especially from the two of them side-by-side, but I don't have the time nor the expertise to talk about it in full here. It stays in my head a lot though, and I always love to see your analysis of art like this, both Spiderverse and Arcane really hit a part of my soul, and they both hold an exceptionally special place in my heart, so you not only sharing that interest but also diving even deeper is so wonderful to me.
ALSO, listening to them both at the same time is a very interesting melody that I honestly can't really describe.
I replayed that running sequence over and over and OVER again. Idk those few seconds are so satisfying, but I'm not complaining
insane how you are obsessed by the same fluid, fast-paced actions scenes that I am, thought about this one gwen scene for MONTHS and same for the ekko and jink one, insanely well explained and well crafted in-depth explanations
Gwen has always been a super relatable character to me. Initially, I thought it was just because I liked her style and the fact that she's a drummer (like me). But after watching your video, I realized there's more to it. You mentioned finding other people's rhythm, and that really clicked for me. I've always had a knack for picking up on other people's "rhythms." It's actually a skill I'm using in my career in social work. However, I've always struggled with verbal communication. Thanks to your video, I have an even greater appreciation for Gwen's characterization in Spider-Verse and I can't help but feel seen in a way I haven't felt before.
I think it's great that at the end of the video, you finally address one common argument people make about "overanalysis" in your videos: That the scene isn't that deep, and that there are deeper scenes in the piece of media. I know that you've already addressed the idea of "overanalysis" in many other videos, such as your video on how to think and the video on the train scene in spirited away, but I think this is a great comment on the analysis of scenes that may not be as critical, but are still linked to the themes and deeper meaning of the media in an important way that makes analysing them useful, rather than simply analysing all the crucial scenes and calling it a day.
I also like your commitment to ensuring some kind of practical take-home message for aspiring writers who also want to create their own art and are exploring other art to gain inspiration. Even if I'll likely never write a piece of art remotely close to this, or even on a small scale, I think it's useful both for aspiring writers and for people who want to gain a different perspective on writing and creating art.
This was a great video! It's reminded me of how much I love this movie, and how much depth there is to explore in it.
I absolutely adore your enthusiasm for this film series, and I feel you SO much. I’d be referencing you if I ever made a video about this like you did with other friends, haha.
What stood out to me was how the villains don’t play a large role in this movie, which I never thought about before. But you’re so right - this movie is not about stopping someone evil or stopping bad from happening but learning what is happening with our main characters and how they view the world. Yes, they have The Spot and the other anomalies, but it’s so clear that this movie doesn’t want us to take from the action as ‘halting the big bad’ but see how it develops our characters and shows us how they express unity, heroism, and heart.
And the drums portion also blew my mind because there’s only one Gwen in the middle of a chorus of Peters which is an absolutely incredible find in the storytelling. Kudos, dude. I’m thoroughly enjoying going through your videos.
Regarding the point you make at 22:35: I can't remember if we've discussed this or whether you've mentioned it on your videos, but I'm always reminded of the words of Socrates in The Apology when he talks about the poets:
"I turned to the poets, dramatic, lyric, and all the rest, in the belief that here I should expose myself as a comparative ignoramus. I used to pick up what I thought were some of their most perfect works and question them closely about the meaning of what they had written, in the hope of incidentally enlarging my own knowledge. Well, gentlemen, I hesitate to tell you the truth, but it must be told. It is hardly an exaggeration to say that any of the bystanders could have explained those poems better than their actual authors. So I soon made up my mind about the poets too. I decided that it was not wisdom that enabled them to write their poetry, but a kind of instinct or inspiration, such as you find in seers and prophets who deliver all their sublime messages without knowing in the least what they mean. It seemed clear to me that the poets were in much the same case."
An artist can produce a work of great depth without having any conscious understanding of that depth.
Ahhhhh I love this!!!
9:12
indirectly, he is crushed by her, afterall, she caused the collapse by throwing him with not just way too much force, but also in the worst place possible, the main structure, that fell on him moments later. Is how one mistake can backfire on her badly.
ive always had a bit of a disconnect with Gwen and her character, i just couldn't really get her the way i did others, so this analysis of her helped me immensely in gaining a different perspective on her and how she acts. thank you for this outstanding anniversary video, it should really have a lot more views!
Ever since you (and others) showed me just how freakishly relatable ATSV Gwen is to me, I have been borderline obsessed with her in a way (hence all the videos I made about her--about myself). Looking at her is like looking into a mirror. You and these deep-dive analyses are refreshing. "It's kinda nice not being the only Spider-[fan] around"
I will never shut up about how great this movie is.
And you should never
As a musician, you hit things really well! A 100 peace band may be supposed to watch the conductor but the percussion really sets the speed. Iv played with drummers that do what you said and it's epic. Music is one of the most intimate forms of teamwork that's humanly possible. Band is family.
"It powers things its not supposed to"😭 I just LIKE that line and will leave an extra comment to say so 😆
Awesome video! I love these spiderverse deep dives, and the guest speakers were perfect!
Dude's friend Aidan is my favorite archetype of musician. The type that gets really... REALLY eloquent, and damn near poetic, when talking about the structure and theory of music
You know what I also noticed? That the band from the back looks like Jessica, hobe and miles with his hoodie on. Might be coincidence. But I was like cool. Also thank you. Everytime I try to explain things like this but in anime I feel like people can’t understand me. Or think I am crazy. I also learn a lot from you! 😭
The drum bit had my neurons firing on all cylinders the connection between Gwen and drums is so potent its crazy
This is so irrelevant but I can not emphasise how excited Gwen's theme makes me in this scene. It's accidentally become the theme for my D&D character, and the DM started playing it when she dueled in our last session. It's SUCH a good song.
now that's the kind of stuff im here for. Gwenn is so cool and she gets cooler the more smart people talk about her for real
This analysis video was so inspiring. As a writer, I always want to make my writing great, and even get to this level. There’s something so incredibly awespiring about this movie franchise. I can’t get enough. Thank you for this video.
Every time I watch your videos I feel I become better at telling stories, thank you!
I love this scene too.❤ I always thought the shot of Gwen closing her eyes and the background comparing the helicopter blades with her drumsticks was meant to symbolize how she goes about her role of Spider-Man. She feels the rhythm of the situation and immediately jumps in and follows the beat. Whether that’s music or fighting. The rhythm also explains her dancer style and gymnastics background. 🤸
haha i love the idea of this video that you just loved the scene so much it was driving you crazy that you didnt know why so you dig a deeper hole tryna figure it out
also i really love music too, and seeing how gwen uses music as this stabilising beat in crises and this way to reach out to ppl (ie being in a band as metaphor for friends), seeing how saturated gwen's life is in drums even if it is a side thing its all familiar and makes me feel that they portrayed this love of music properly
i think the point about time is interesting, in my experience struggling with mental health or struggling with being at the very least 'ok' most days it feels like time is not linear. more accurately that its hard to keep up with the present without being pulling back into the past. i did not see this when i watched the movie, thanks for sharing it
I've always been fascinated by drumming so this was super cool to learn! musicality is everything, great job everyone!!
GREAT JOB TO YOU!!
hell yeah B)
"You have the right to remain silent". So her father is pushing her in the arms of the band she can communicate non-verbally. She remains silent, she acts.
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHA BEST SCHNEE JUMPSCARE
I'm so grateful for minds like yours that actively seek out these kinds of questions and analyses of media, as someone who tends to just like things if they "feel good" and has no active drive to dive deeper than that. You sharing your insight into some incredible works of art like spiderverse really makes me appreciate the artpiece even more than I already did. Good job 👍
One thing about Gwen and the artstyle in her universe that stuck out to me is that it’s all really detached and apathetic. Her whole character is based on this socially and emotionally detached characteristic of her, it kinda loosens reality around, from the art being slightly abstract and fauvistic (i think this isn’t what i mean someone correct me), the transitions being surreal, chill lofi music during a monster attack; it all feels like the apathy born from loneliness and social isolation. It made me uncomfortable because it was all the things I loved done in the ‘wrong’ way. Pls add to this i wanna know if anyone else felt this way or what other deeper aspects of this uve delved into
hearing you laugh brought a smile on my face too. thanks for shouting out your friends too. I've been loving squircle's stuff!
Great analysis 🙌🏼💯
This made me think about how when Gwen gets kicked out of spider society back to her dimension and she sneaks back into her room (to get the polaroid of Miles) it was already opened by Captain Stacy as maybe a setup and establishment that while Gwen was gone he was trying to understand her and got how Gwen communicates OR where she would put something she cared about (that's the best way I can put it, the scene we see the drum case opened is where they come to an understanding and after the resolve he still calls parenting a mystery). He could've got this prior but I don't think that rhymes with how spiderverse does character progression.
I just looked back at the scene and there's a really important detail I also want to mention. The polaroid is of Gwen in her costume but Miles is in his normal clothes. I wonder if he was sleeping by it with a bit of comfort that Gwen had someone out there for her or more somberly someone like Peter (I just wonder who he thought Miles was).
This is also something I love so much about spiderverse is that writers will usually have 'obvious' things happen to get characters in situations but for these movies you can find deeper understanding when you look into it -> Captain Stacy grabbing the polaroid and putting it in the room with him makes Gwen have to enter to get it. Did he understand that the polaroid was so special to Gwen (because it was in the drum) that she would try to get it was he hoping she would take that opportunity to 'just look at him?' Also was that a joke...like this whole time he can't tell if spider people are looking at him directly or was he just trying to be humorous with Gwen for her to just fail at reciprocating it that scene where they have their resolve.
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I'm also very entranced by Spiderverse and it will be consuming me until I extinguish, what a great way to go. This stuff alone will be ringing in my head for the oncoming weeks.
Your videos always blow my mind cus you're always so RIGHT
God I love this movie so much. It’s like you can always find something new about every character and scene on a rewatch. On top of the stellar storytelling, the fact that it’s (gorgeously) animated gives the movie so much opportunity to express itself through that fact rather than try to look as realistic as possible. It embraces the fact that it’s animated and that just elevates it to a whole new level for me. I genuinely hate the fact that so many people see this as a kids movie and while yes, a child can ENJOY it, look at the pretty pictures and marvel at the action, this movie can only truly be UNDERSTOOD by an older audience (and I don’t mean this as a comparison to movies like Shrek, because to me Shrek at its core is a kids movie. Kids can understand it but it has so much for adults to enjoy which at least to me is the opposite of the Spiderverse movies. Not saying Shrek is bad, I’m saying it’s different) Genuinely my current favourite movie of all time.
i think the reason the music is so chill when fighting peter is because that music made it sound like (to me) that she was left alone at the dance, and she was by peter, just in a very different way then normal so thats why the music stays
This video is a masterpiece
gwens world in the beginning of ATSV has to be my favorite bit of the entire movie (aside from hobie ofc)
I don't know if it's just me, but the way you delve into these scenes, (Arcane, Spiderverse, ect) makes the the viewing experience come alive in a new way. It sounds like it's not always appreciated by everyone to annalize something with this much detail, but I find this makes the whole experience of the movie SO much more enriching! Continue the great work!
id kill for the 37 hour analysis on the entire trilogy
18:15
“Just looking out for my drummer is all.”
- hobie
"We get this very awkward conversation in his room."
"But how she really wants to bond with him is by doing physical stuff."
My man cant take a hint.
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I kinda felt this not as a drummer but as a vocalist. Vocals have zero sway in the tempo, melody, or direction of a song, they are at the complete mercy of the other musicians, but they are responsible for how the concert is remembered. Nobody's going to remember if the drummer messed up a few times if the vocalist killed it, but if lead guitar is having the best night of their life nobody's going to remember that if the vocalist isn't feeling it. THEY are the ones the people are listening to. Miles, despite his inexperience, strikes me as a vocalist because he's amazing at 'making music' with other people, RE: Mumbattin, as long as he's got a tempo or a melody. This vid actually made me go back and re-watch both 1 and 2 from the point of a drummer, and I'm tempted to go back and watch both again just to kind of 'slot' people in a band now. Love your vids!
"This is good! We're finding our rhythm!" - Spot
24:07 I would love to hear your takes on every scene lmao
I love the way you break down these videos and as I wanna be writer myself, it seriously helps so much with planning and working on my book. The way you break down these moments is almost like a story itself and I wish to one day have my work broken down like this lmao
Keep up the great work and look forward to rewatching this video!
The action scene felt good because the old spiderman series has loss that it feels good that for now everyone lives but has meaning as she would not have stopped the helicopter if she was working alone
I can feel the love from here. This really made me appreciate Gwen more. Throughout the movies she always felt off, like she was lost and unfocused. But i kept getting glances of her not being lost, she was clear and direct. I just couldn't get why. She is who she is and i love her.
Yay! New schnee!
Been avoiding Hazbin Hotel content cause its hard to find in my locale atm. What a treat to get some more Spiderverse :D
Fantastic analysis! I always thought it was cool that her drums sound so chaotic in the intro, drowning out her band members, but by the end of the movie the drums are complimenting and giving center stage to the other instruments. Of course with a movie like this it always goes layers and layers deeper than you first thought
I'm a drummer and Aidan's description was extremely good and articulate. He should also make videos. I'd definitely watch them.
i'm so glad to hear this lol, in reality i haven't touched a drumset in like 6 years 😅
(and i agree that i should also make videos-fingers crossed that i follow through on it)
Absolutely INCREDIBLE analysis of my favorite opener to a movie of all time. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO.
I just had exam season, and when I wanted to relax I would think back to this movie. Then I told myself I would watch this movie every time I felt like quitting, as a way to push myself through the boredom. Funnily enough I was going to watch it today and now this video came up. A warm up!
Thought I was the only one who was obsessed with this scene. They nailed it
this video is really good, I learned a lot.
I'm honestly really impresed with how deep these movies can be
but dang, when you said Gwen likes to bond with Miles by "doing physical stuff" my mind went to places it really shouldn't have.
well done, it got a laugh
word choice matters kids
It sounds like you got a great band! 😛
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Incidentally, this whole thing is why fash-ism is the ultimate villain in so many stories.
Fash-ism is all about FORCING people. Into roles that don't fit, into groups that don't love or care about them, into serving people who are just using them, into presentments of their Self that are fake/inauthentic, into staying in situations that harm them.
Just...nailing people down, depriving them of movement, depriving them of mental or physical health, depriving them of support, depriving them of the ability to act or to develop or to become.
No one can shine like that.
And tbh, that is what fash-ists want: because a person who is shining (ESPECIALLY if it's a marginalized person) flies in the face of their world view: that humanity is scum and must be very rigidly controlled.
That those among humanity who are "different" must be eliminated.
That only those in power deserve to shine.
Any society that shines and is healthy and thriving is less willing to give up power to the fash-ists. Fash-ists literally can't afford for anyone but their "great men" to shine, because every person who is not great who thrives _without having the "benefit" of being approved under a fash-ist thumb,_ *disproves* their utter and complete nonsense.
I love it. Gwen is gonna bring brightness back to the Spiderverse, and I can't wait to see it🎉
The first time I saw this scene I said to myself "wait why did we ever start making superhero movies live action?"
The role of a drummer/drums in music can be simplified down to being the one who keeps the beat, keeps the rhythm going. When you explained how in the opening fight Gwen moves with flow, each action happening before the previous action is finished, and how satisfying that is, I couldn't stop thinking about how how she moves like her chosen instrument plays. It feels as though she has rhythm in her head holding her focus with her precision.
(Edit: commented this before watching the part where your friend talks about drums, so its not the most informed but hey i think the point still stands)
Across the Spider-Verse is my favorite film, and it’s because of things like this. I have watched it so many times and I can’t get enough of it. Your analysis videos of it have been so much appreciated, as I get to see someone else geek out about this movie as much as I do and talk about concepts with it I’ve never even noticed before.
No wonder why I vibed so hard with Gwen. This is how I am in life too. Thank you Schnee for this video. It's helped me tell myself "I am worthy" in my day to day.
You can really feel yourself focusing in the scene when she closes her eyes, gathers her thoughts, and focuses too. Then she jumps into action. And in the first intro part of the movie when she's walking away from her band, the other members are in pink while she's blue to really show that contrast. Beautiful, I literally need to watch this entire movie over and over again I need to figure this thing out I love it. It's beautiful. It gives me life. I live for its subtle details, it's everything to me.
You may not notice it. But your brain did.
I want you to know, I study your videos with the same intensity that I've studied Sanderson's lectures. You are a gem.
My analysis half-way through: (I think this is what you're getting at)
So we start off with the desaturated but incredibly stylistic intro, establishing the contrast between her and her dad, she's going through the motions and it's ruining her.
Then she gets back into the flow of it and is able to actually release her potential through the save scene. She's been unable to communciate with her father so she's overcompensating; she feels trapped and unable to tell her dad the truth.
Because as you say, she expresses her emotion physically. So when it gets too much she quickly centres herself by remembering the drum beat and jumps into saving people, relieving the stress she's feeling temporarily as she gets a small reprieve where she dons her mask and gets to do the hero thing.
Additionally I really like the conflict scenes between her and her dad, we start off with the backgrounds beginning to solidify into representations of their ideological beliefs, then contrasting. The harsh black and white of the cop-dad and the bright, colourful, painful emotion of the spider-woman. And then in the end, these melt away and the background retreats, letting the characters stand as they are. This is them saying that their personal beliefs don't matter; and that her father has chosen to 'be her dad for a minute'; which is just..👌.