Nicely captured Ian, thought I’d replied to this but must not have pressed send, good to see two steam charters back to back on Shap with a great performance from the Castle, when I used my iPhone a few years back I got a Gutmann fur wind shield for just over £20 from Amazon which made a big difference to the wind noise, cheers 👍
Haha cheers Nige, no worries I’m very behind on messages myself as have been a bit ill. Thanks for the tip, I got a separate mic for it but it’s not played ball. I could always get a proper camera..but then we’d be taking it too seriously 🤣
I used to be on trains pulled by Castle class locos when they were the Kings of rail on the line between Aberystwyth and Shrewsbury in the 1940s and 1950s. Good to see 5043!!!
May I suggest your memory is at fault? castles were never permitted over the Cambrian route, Manors were the locos most often used. If you travelled onwards from Shrewsbury then a Castle may well have pulled you.
@@PolishThatHandle346 yea its a shame isn't it. Maybe its to save coal, maybe its to work the engine less and thus have fewer mechanical failures perhaps I'm not sure
@@RailwayTavern also possibly to keep up with pathings but if it is one of the reasons you've mentioned it also defeats the objects of restoring locos for the main line in some sense. Anyone can chuck a couple of lit rags in a smokebox, stick it on the front of the train and push it with a diesel on the back so long as the frames are in good condition.
Haha! That first shot Tangmere made me chuckle! First I thought, bloody hell she's absolutely flattening Shap! But then as she went by, barely a sound coming from her and the 47 really giving it a boot full! Sorry Tangmere, you ain't fooling anyone! 🤣🤣🤣 But still, better than nothing I suppose. In comparison, a lovely shot of 5043! Just love the rhythmic beat of the castles! Good job!
@@RailwayTavern My thoughts are, that maybe they were under orders from network rail to get a move on lest they delay the regular running services. It's just speculation but lets just say I wouldn't be surprised. Second thought; Tangmere's crew wanted to go easy on the engine and asked for banking assistance. Perhaps they were having issues and didn't want to risk the tour being terminated prematurely? Who knows? If anyone does know, feel free to comment!
The Castles were built with the Devon banks in mind. Bulleid designed the Spam-cans knowing that the Southern lines were pretty flat. Hence the shoves up the rear!
@@RailwayTavern it was a brilliant trip travelling behind the Earl over Shap. Officially iv now been over Shap behind members of the big 4 company's. 1st LNER, 2nd LMS, 3rd SR & now 4th GWR.
I was in Coach E behind 5043. I have little time these days for mainline steam because - as was the case here with Tangmere - the diesels have taken over the hard work and the steam locos are often just for show. It seems so fake, but then it also seems like most of the paying guests are there for the "dining experience". However on this occasion I was impressed by Vintage Trains' claim that the Earl would be climbing Shap in BOTH directions, "unassisted". We were also told it would be steam all the way from Crewe (where I joined) to Carlisle and back to Brum. Later that was quietly changed to steam from Carnforth and back to Crewe only. Still more steam than they got on the Tangmere run. But then I realised the grand claim of "no diesel assistance" is pretty feeble with only 8 coaches on plus a GUV! I think the impressive bit in the end was that The Earl kept up a steady 65 to 78mph (the highest I recorded) much of the way from Preston back to Crewe. But I'm a Southern man at heart and for me nothing can beat the ascent of Shap on 9th April 2022 by 35018 British India Line with 12 on, every seat taken, and no diesel on the back! That was seriously impressive and somewhat unexpected. There were a couple of ominous slips near the summit and the speed dropped off to a measured 23mph but we made it!
With Blue Peter's tractive effort, it would be joke if anyone suggested the A2 needing a diesel up the rear if, as expected, she tackles Shap in the near future.
@keystonedriving8180 oh yes. Mr Brunel may have built a billiard table, but when needs must and unlimited funds not available he was not adverse to roller coaster railways.
Believe it or not some clown thought it a good idea to plant a load of trees. Trees don't grow well up on the top of there which is why there aren't any naturally.
@@colemartin5847hope you still had a good day out? With any luck they’ll go back to unassisted running at some point, it’s got to be cheaper running one engine than two!
@@RailwayTavern it was a good run going up Shap behind 5043 too and despite being in the 9th coach she was working away. Equally as good performance on the return journey.
But why earl didn't have a diesel assist this time Vintage trains have a rule to have a diesel assist in the rear when the express steam event in the progress but why only clun will have diesel assist in shap area
Hermosa LOCOMOTORA ❤
Nicely captured Ian, thought I’d replied to this but must not have pressed send, good to see two steam charters back to back on Shap with a great performance from the Castle, when I used my iPhone a few years back I got a Gutmann fur wind shield for just over £20 from Amazon which made a big difference to the wind noise, cheers 👍
Haha cheers Nige, no worries I’m very behind on messages myself as have been a bit ill. Thanks for the tip, I got a separate mic for it but it’s not played ball. I could always get a proper camera..but then we’d be taking it too seriously 🤣
I used to be on trains pulled by Castle class locos when they were the Kings of rail on the line between Aberystwyth and Shrewsbury in the 1940s and 1950s. Good to see 5043!!!
May I suggest your memory is at fault? castles were never permitted over the Cambrian route, Manors were the locos most often used. If you travelled onwards from Shrewsbury then a Castle may well have pulled you.
Great stuff, thanks glad you enjoyed buddy 🍻
Surely the 60XXs were the Kings of rail?
@@brianwillson9567A' King' on the Cambrian would have disappeared nose-first never to be seen again!
Diesel was definitely assisting Tangmere in the first shot
Yes, she was being pushed. That is not the exhaust sound of a southern pacific working hard with 11 on up a 100/75 inclide. A great pity
@@billhoward7354 Find its almost synonymous with West Coast tours now. Similarly went out to see a tour in Nov with 46115 again being pushed.
haha yes no doubt about that!
@@PolishThatHandle346 yea its a shame isn't it. Maybe its to save coal, maybe its to work the engine less and thus have fewer mechanical failures perhaps I'm not sure
@@RailwayTavern also possibly to keep up with pathings but if it is one of the reasons you've mentioned it also defeats the objects of restoring locos for the main line in some sense. Anyone can chuck a couple of lit rags in a smokebox, stick it on the front of the train and push it with a diesel on the back so long as the frames are in good condition.
Nicely captured. Regards, John
Cheers John 🍻
All the day's action, without diesels, with diesels and diesels on their own. Thanks, David
Haha! That first shot Tangmere made me chuckle! First I thought, bloody hell she's absolutely flattening Shap! But then as she went by, barely a sound coming from her and the 47 really giving it a boot full! Sorry Tangmere, you ain't fooling anyone! 🤣🤣🤣
But still, better than nothing I suppose. In comparison, a lovely shot of 5043! Just love the rhythmic beat of the castles! Good job!
Haha my thoughts exactly Andy, cheers 🍻
@@RailwayTavern My thoughts are, that maybe they were under orders from network rail to get a move on lest they delay the regular running services.
It's just speculation but lets just say I wouldn't be surprised.
Second thought; Tangmere's crew wanted to go easy on the engine and asked for banking assistance. Perhaps they were having issues and didn't want to risk the tour being terminated prematurely?
Who knows? If anyone does know, feel free to comment!
Very good Ian , the Earl certainly stole the show but Tangmere always gets a shove 😂
The Castles were built with the Devon banks in mind. Bulleid designed the Spam-cans knowing that the Southern lines were pretty flat. Hence the shoves up the rear!
Excellent video of the Castle and the Battle of Britain in action on the West Coast 👍
Cheers Joe 🍻
" What's the fuss? " says the Earl, " It's only 1:75. I was built for twice as steep."
The Lickey was LMS territory ;-)
It can't get better. Super good steam video. Joe
Sub + bell is a must.
O the joys of old age!!
Cheers 🍻
I was onboard the tour with 5043.
Great! Hope you had a good day buddy?
@@RailwayTavern it was a brilliant trip travelling behind the Earl over Shap. Officially iv now been over Shap behind members of the big 4 company's. 1st LNER, 2nd LMS, 3rd SR & now 4th GWR.
@@MasterMoyle excellent stuff, which was your favourite?
@@RailwayTavernhard to choose really.
I was in Coach E behind 5043. I have little time these days for mainline steam because - as was the case here with Tangmere - the diesels have taken over the hard work and the steam locos are often just for show. It seems so fake, but then it also seems like most of the paying guests are there for the "dining experience". However on this occasion I was impressed by Vintage Trains' claim that the Earl would be climbing Shap in BOTH directions, "unassisted". We were also told it would be steam all the way from Crewe (where I joined) to Carlisle and back to Brum. Later that was quietly changed to steam from Carnforth and back to Crewe only. Still more steam than they got on the Tangmere run. But then I realised the grand claim of "no diesel assistance" is pretty feeble with only 8 coaches on plus a GUV! I think the impressive bit in the end was that The Earl kept up a steady 65 to 78mph (the highest I recorded) much of the way from Preston back to Crewe.
But I'm a Southern man at heart and for me nothing can beat the ascent of Shap on 9th April 2022 by 35018 British India Line with 12 on, every seat taken, and no diesel on the back! That was seriously impressive and somewhat unexpected. There were a couple of ominous slips near the summit and the speed dropped off to a measured 23mph but we made it!
With Blue Peter's tractive effort, it would be joke if anyone suggested the A2 needing a diesel up the rear if, as expected, she tackles Shap in the near future.
So where was the smelly 47 pushing at the back😂😂 oh I see it got left behind 😂😂
Bet the castle feels homesick, away from God's Wonderful Railway.
Should feel at home, it's used to hill climbing at home. Other than London to Chippenham there's lots of grades in GWR territory.
@keystonedriving8180 oh yes. Mr Brunel may have built a billiard table, but when needs must and unlimited funds not available he was not adverse to roller coaster railways.
Maybe its a holiday 🍻
Gresley Was Right… 😉😉
The Bulleid's just as far from home...
what are all those sticks/posts in the forground?
Believe it or not some clown thought it a good idea to plant a load of trees. Trees don't grow well up on the top of there which is why there aren't any naturally.
I wanna see all these steamers, but you dont see any in Scotland
get a train down to Carlisle sometime buddy they're there most weekends 🍻
@@RailwayTavern I might just do that
Really no diesel in the rear this time?
Exactly, Castle wasn’t assisted on it’s run. Tangmere was being ‘slightly’ pushed..!
@@RailwayTavernwe felt a lot of jolts on board tangmere so it wasn’t just shap it pushed on
@@colemartin5847hope you still had a good day out? With any luck they’ll go back to unassisted running at some point, it’s got to be cheaper running one engine than two!
@@RailwayTavern it was a good run going up Shap behind 5043 too and despite being in the 9th coach she was working away. Equally as good performance on the return journey.
But why earl didn't have a diesel assist this time Vintage trains have a rule to have a diesel assist in the rear when the express steam event in the progress but why only clun will have diesel assist in shap area
Poor diesel got left behind
best place for it!
That was the plan on this rare occasion of a run specifically billed as "no diesel assistance". But then with only 8 on + GUV anyone could do that!
@@rovingromEven a Duchess could have managed ;-)