Bourgault pin update = Not fun...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- ** Remember I complained about how we were loosing the pins on our carts last year? Remember how we nearly lost 1 going down the road?!
** Well I guess Bourgault must have heard us and probably other people as well, because they came out with an update for those pins. But they are not an easy update to install.
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Life as a Millwright. Fighting with pins an engineer deemed that it didn't require grease. Easy enough to drill out new pins and add your own grease ports. Done it a thousand times and will do it again!
I agree. But I assume they might not warranty it if something else in that spot failed after you altered it. Just assuming.
@@stevehuston9831 I'm thinking they are out of warranty already. Also, if you drilled the boss for a grease nipple instead of the pin, they would have a hard time saying that it could be detrimental in any way. Also, when you own several million worth of equipment from the same company, they tend to be less argumentative about things like that.
When you get so complacent after building a masterpiece machine and decide to let your janitor design the easy pin thingy, heh
Well no disrespect to a janitor, but i do agree with you.
This machine seems so well made, how difficult could it be to make it able to grease it 😅
No this is what happens when you let your tree hugging engineer Stan design the pin and came in with the mindsets of "I'm going to save some metal here" fml🤦♂️
Bourgault is really not great. They’re still using 20 year old auger metering system. They’re far from the masterpieces they once were
They're bloody solid machines
That about all it's got going for it
The metering system is junk the seed placement is average
The likes of Morris far exceede bourgualt in performance, but they can't build it strong enough
Thier bars are very high maintenance
My compliments to the welder, great job!
You need to send Bourgault a “Detailed Itemized Invoice” that shows total man hours, equipment rental usage plus cost for a pallet of beer as well as supper for the crew involved and then maybe someone at head office would realize that a grease fitting is an inexpensive product improvement.
One grease fitting on each end of each pin location seems a “NO BRAINER” but then again unfortunately very few engineers have ever serviced what they design and lots of time what works on paper doesn’t work in real life.
Steel on steel does no make a good bearing, do not stand inline with all thread we pulled bar in two and it catapulted up threw roof sheets.
@@andrewmicas4327 cant believe they didnt even push a brass bushing in the new kit.. i'm not looking forward to changing the pins for our 71300.
Part of the problem is that often the engineers suggests what would be the best, but the boys in marketing says no.
Which is why you should always whenever you pass somebody in marketing, smack them over the head, if they didn't do anything wrong at that moment, they were thinking of doing it or had done it :D
Because that is where all products fail, only fix is to add some values they have to compute with in their precious Excel sheets.
@@CMDRSweeper Its ok I worked 47 years in shop floor and the rest in design department. I understand only too well the problem we face. Brought up on a small farm in UK Dad spend an awful lot of time with Grease gun and oil can.
I am learning to be an engineer, and will not be one of them
On your sprayer Mike, check the wiring harness where it flexes at the parallel arms. We have repaired broken wires in that area that caused the same problem you're having.
Whoever came up with hydraulics is a genius. 😎
Put bolts up other way so if nuts come off bolts dont drop, thermic lance used in mining everyday of the week
Small but genius idea 💡
My dad and i had that argument for decades. His theory was ,if you put the nut at the top you'll notice immediately if it comes undone.True,but in one go you'll lose the nut,and the bolt, AND the machine will come apart 😳😳
the bolts broke, that was the problem
@@michielhuygelier6953 I know
Liquid nitrogen too
I'd be demanding pins center drilled and grease grooved, with a zerk in the outside end!
Mike I think I would have put nickel Never Seize all over new pins b4 installing and holes as there are no grease fittings.
I think you can see some Antiseize @12:07
Did I just see a pin welded on to the tamper of an excavator ?? That's awesome ,my kind of work now lol
I had to back up and watch that again, thought I was seeing things lol
"...they just don't know that yet." Lol. Stick it to them next time, Mike
Hope the new pins got a good smudge of anti seize. 😁🙌
I agree with you Mike, there should be a grease point there. They should have put anti seize compound on the new pins when they installed them. You take care and good seeding!
Thanks for sharing this repair. Mike, you have an excellent way of educating us. I so glad this problem was found before an accident. You guys are very alert.
Hi Mike, I love your videos, extraordinary farm, I would love to take a ride in these big tractors, but unfortunately I am in France.
Continue like this .
good work !
Olivier
Wow that is nonsense. From 41 yrs experience as a mechanic I can tell you.....it's not over. You're right Mike ,should be able to grease it. Looks like it should be line bored, and no reason for a interference fit.
"Let's get to seeding!" says Mike.
Equipment, "hold up there Mike"
Pretty much! Yes haha
@@mikemitchell2554 that was one hell of a process!! What is that jack called? I’ve never seen one like that!
@@robwar2288 hollow ram. Great for pulling pins on cat loader frames. Also expensive
Yet another example of manufacturing with major emphasis on getting product out the door versus making equipment that is truly high quality.
Square washer welded to pin, and a square cutout in a 1/2” plate welded to the ear, and female 3/4” threads in the opposite side of pin. Slide pin into square socket, which will stop it from rotating, and 3/4” bolt with big flat washer to hold it in. Add grease zerk, fixed for good
I havnt wittnessed a snug fit to that extreme since my wedding night.
She lied to you my friend 🤣🤣 jk jk
Best comment of the day
An when you heard that loud boom you turned on the lights, an seen made in china
Was the Tuxedo that tight?
Mine was like a hot dog in a hallway
Good luck getting your pins in Mike
The engineers that design things should be made to service them before it goes into production.
maybe the accountant that made the engineer remove those features to reduce the cost
I didn’t even know what exothermic cutting was but after looking it up it is absolutely awesome. You could bore a hole through those pins in 30 seconds easy.
But melt everything around it
Wait... Did this video have only one end? Usually you end your videos about 3 times😜
We just picked up our new 2021 bourgault 3335 80 foot drill and our 9950 tank! It’s sick!
That's awesome!
@@mikemitchell2554 yes. Have you seen the new tanks?
If you couldn't get the pin out it seems like the problem was already solved :)
Next time, try putting some spit on the pin when reinstalling. Should help it slide right in. 👌
Ours was called a Bolt Disintegrator. It could blow out a 1/4" bolt without damaging the inner threads, or by changing tips and amperage, it could blow out things several inches thick. We used Weld Blanket to contain the heat and slag.
We use a rock breaker on a 13 ton track machine to push pins like that out
Yea mike it's oxylance, you can blow a hole clear threw a pin, it throws molten metal everywhere, oxylance, last resort plan, thanks for sharing, can't wait to see you guys in the field, gonna be awesome
When i worked at the Heavy equipment and machine shop, working on Huge logging equipment, We would drill and tap a grease zerk into the places that needed to be greased. we also counter sunk them first. FYI.
I guess they're still under warranty or something like that, there must be some reason why they're not adding grease zerks, because I'm sure they would if it wouldn't void something.
I agree with you Mike it needs to be where u can grease them especially if it’s a movable point
Good luck seeding and spraying your 2021 crops
Those bolts are gonna snap again. If that pin has that hard of a time going in, imagine that hitch flexing on a hill or hole. Its gotta spin on that innermost bushing. If the innermost one doesn't move, its gonna spin the easiest way and it'll be easier to snap that bolt that spin on the inner seized bushing. Those need grease for sure.
Right, the inner bushing needs to be greased well.
Without grease this will go on replay like the first one did.
JCB has same issue with vertical stabilisers on the backhoe, but pin goes trough hydraulic cylinder.
I agree with you Mike there's that pin should have grease fittings.
I am not going to comment on what Bourgault could or should do but I am going to say that I have seen myself more than once in similar situations . The man that welded those nuts on the connecting pins did a great job and had the right equipment .
Hello Mike, the best Engineers are the Farmers them selves,you know better your machinery and its problems , better than the Engineers of the Bourgault Seeder Company, most inventions and improvements are made by Farmers. in the need to make it better, Regards Best Wishes Great Video, Cheers Trevor.W.Bacelli. Qld Australia,
1/2hr with an air arc would have solved your issues, blow a hole through the pin then, then cut a slot lengthways through the pin. Let it cool and pound it out. Saves a lot of heating and headache especially since you don’t have to save the old pin
Hello from the UK, surely from the factory, that should be one long pin to stop the movement, Mike. crappy designed fault.
"exo-thermic blow gun of some sort" I believe they were referring to arc gouging. Pretty cool process to watch but I've heard it blows sparks everywhere
I believe how it works is kind of like stick welding, but instead of adding filler metal there is high pressure air blowing on the molton metal that is heated by the arc and it "cuts" or blows the metal away.
MIke, remember what Einstein said about clocks in motion slowing down. It really was just an hour and a half, it only seemed longer cause those pins were flying out of there so quickly.
Engineers:looks good on paper or a computer will definitely work amazingly in the field. I Have to fix there fuck ups every once and a while. 😬
Gives a whole new meaning to a bad day
With the amount of money that rig costs, it seems the company would be lending some type of assistance. That is a major flaw like you said and y’all are doing all the work to rectify the problem. What a crock.
After all the work to get the pins out I'd think it's time to drill/tap holes for grease zerk's.
That exothermic thing I think is a thermic lance, great vid. 👍😁
Thermic lances are a thing we used them for cutting when I did shipyard work.
For the snugness issue when putting the pins in see if you can’t get some dry ice or liquid nitrogen. We freeze bearing races all the time to get them in on the propeller shafts.
Looks like it’s all steel on steel maybe a oilite bush or brass bush might help. Needs grease all that dust getting in there needs pushing out, think I would be tipping a drop of diesel on them weekly to stop them rusting up hope the fitters put some grease on them pins before fitting them.
Lube makes most things better, going dry just causes problems :)
Just drill and tap and add your own grease zerk. I’ve done it working on my own farm equipment all the time
Hi Mike why haven't you added a grease point when the pin came out? and add a groove to the shaft in line with a new grease point. I think the bolt brake problem returns over time without greasing the pins or making the tollerance bigger between the pins and the holes.
As one farmer to another, buy, rent, or borrow a 10000 psi hydraulic power pack with a hollow double acting ram. It will pull pins like butter. I’ve borrowed a 60ton ram to pull pins several times.
Maybe try the heat and cold deal like doing bearings heat the holes and shove the pins in the freezer
Mike, the reason for the retaining pin breaking in the first place is the lack of lubrication and high friction making that pin turn in the boss a not on the drawbar bush. They may have come up with a better way to retain the pin but it needs lubricant where it is suppose to pivot. Considering how close the tolerance is, it will more than likely grab the pin again and spin in the outer boss. I agree with you. Grease is needed
Hope that they put a good coat of anti seize on the new pins!
I do remember vid with broken pin, no grease hah???? 🤞hopes it works or welded pin frame to the cart. Take care fellas👍we need some rain so can start sowing by 25th April ANZAC weekend, hope it’s not drought year after battling costly mice plagued.
will be interesting to eventually find out if you have the juice to get a reasonable labor settlement from Bougault or whether they just ignore you as would be normal for a manufacturer dealing with warranty or an update -- just because they sold it to you and it didn't work as it should is no reason in their books that they should pay full price for the update -- the guy who set the 1 1/2 hours picked up his pay check and went home for dinner and figured he did a full days work
It is called a lancing rod and it would have worked great in that job we use it in the logging industry to get pins out
Design is plenty strong. Just needs grease so stuff doesn't bind and snaps your keeper bolt
Great awesome video mike, that pin is crazy . Greasing should be on that pic which the company has a defect snd should be resolved, planting is very close now , -5 c here in Pembroke Ontario, feels like -11 , mike send bourgault the bill for all the hrs it took to get the dam thing out
You need to put some anti seize on those new pins to make job easier next time.
With pins fitting to that small tolerance there only needs to be a small inaccuracy in welding the collars/draw bar at manufacture to make the difference. Friday machine ?? !! Must be greased, it will happen again no matter how big the keeper bolts are. Interesting vid Mike.
Good point
I agree , unless the new pins are slightly smaller by a few thou
It used to be considered 70% uptime was good at mines for equipment that runs 24 hours a day. Takes a lot to keep equipment going.
All that trouble, when a couple of greaser's would probably have prevented that. I also notice they are putting the pins in dry.
Great video Mike
Bourgault should pay you for the advertising and exposure you give to their materials !!! what do you think of a vaderstad seed hawk?
And hey when I contacted then regarding the 100ft.... I got the classic "We ll call" 🤣😔
Mike next time try melting a birthday candle into the I D of the pin/ bolt... Works 99% of the time.
If that's working then you just needed to hit it harder
There's physically no way the wax can get around those pins
Between the tight fit and the rust, no wax or other magic formula is getting in there
oxygen lances work great for siezed pins. had a telehandler that siezed the pins on the outriggers spent half a day beating them with a sledge hammer then a day and a half with a jackhammer tied down to a forklift in an attempt to remove the pins. took 30 minutes to cut through both pins with the lance then hit the pins out and put in the new ones. main issue would be slag hitting anything thats behind the pin.
If you ever have another issue, try cooling the metal instead of heating it up. Works wonders.
I watch a.pin be removed via an exothermic blow gun on another farm channel called Feild Rows, a farmer from Florida. Had a pin that wouldn't move. It is an intense process.
Mike, you were showing a large bolt last year that broke off on the threads, thus i said you need a longer bolt so you are not pulling on the treads.
When you got the seized pins out, was there evidence of wear on the pin? Was it still 100% straight? Problem with using two pins vs one large one is that any amount of slop in the joint will allow things to flex, with the weight you are pulling in those carts I’d expect some flex in the joints, which could be bending the pins ever so slightly, once bent they will lock/seize in either the inner or outer bore,,, eventually shearing the keeper etc... even with grease in that joint, it the pin flexes at all you will end up with the same issue.
1.5 hour job from bourgault I would like to see how they do it lol
WOW WHAT A VIDEO I LOVE U MIKE
Today here in Sweden we have great weather, tomorrow they say we will have snow, April 22
no wonder your keeper pin breaking off, its seized on the pivot arm. every time the arm moved the pin is moving as well and shearing the keeper .. it will be ok right now until the pin seized again and you'll be in trouble
Exactly
I am amazed at the size and amount of equipment you have. With such varied brands red, green, etc. Why not choose a color and make that your brand of choice. Cost is more than purchase price, track record for longevity and resale value. One other thing, get some shoes to work in! Your entire crew should have adequate footing. I have seen to many people with permanent injuries.
I think multiple brands is the way to go, stops suppliers getting complacent and taking advantage by hiking prices
cant wait for the planting videos!
Do it simple get a pintle hitch, or a drawbar type pin w/ bolt through it..
Mike I have a question. Why isn't Bourgault themselves doing the PIP work on there own equipment?
I have used those exothermic cutting torches they are nuts I blasted right threw a 5 inch pin that was about 24 inches long like a hot knife through butter unreal you should try one !
@@jeremyhardy7707 you hook it up to a car battery create an ark and hook a oxygen tank (it’s like a massive air arc rod then just start blasting wear a full leather outfit slag blasts back like lava outta a volcano) put prob a 2 inch hole through the pin then it basically pushed right out no prob.
Hi Mike! The next time(hope not doh 😅) try to weld the outer flanges that holds the pin to each other. It might not be possible whit the drawbar in the way? But anyway, when you pull on the flanges you actually are bending them towards each other and that makes it wery hard to get it out. If not impossible. I worked for a forestry company ones. And my boss did that same mistake on a pin that was about 80mm in diameter. He ended up torching it out.. it took him 3 full days, 2 sets of big boy gas bottles and 2 torch handles. So, don't do that!😂
Love your stuff, it's really interesting to see how different farming is in Canada compared to Sweden. Ha de gott!
Good job by the steel working fella
INDUCTION HEAT, those mill wrights seem to think out side the box. Make custom 3,4,5,6 inch coil, 2-3-4 wraps (like those used to harden gears) as needed , would concentrate heat ,and control FLAMING near by hoses/wiring and finish.💙👍👍👍
maybe you could’ve drilled a hole into the pen and then tapped it and then used a puller etc. just pull it out I’ve done that on backhoes and stuff works very well. basically what you did but just drill and tap it rather than welding on it. welding on the pen you actually make it swell.
Mike, to grease pins drill holes n tap,it n put grease cert. Walla n you can grease it.. that's what I would do..
It would probally void the warranty, or he would’ve
I still cat get it how you have only 120k subs...
🤷🏼♂️ Who knows... For one, I never push subs or likes on people... 🙂
@@mikemitchell2554 you deserve more of each. Funny and educational every video. Thanks for them
@@kikikirikiw they will come Mike is fun to watch
@@kikikirikiw very true, far more interesting than most farm yt ers
@@mikemitchell2554 because u have to get some cameras solely dedicated to filming and some mounts and stands. It would greatly improve the quality of ur shots and allow u to do timelapses. Plus it phone wouldnt always be dead. 😜
I had a wheel bearing go out on my JD 2700 disc ripper, wrecked the spindle. Could not get the axle shaft to come out. JD mechanic cut the spindle portion off, then used magnesium welding rods to melt a half inch hole lengthwise through the axle shaft . 3 good whacks with a sledge and it was out.
Hey Mike!! Next vid can you tell us the difference between the front dual on the cart?
Field rows had one of those pins removed by a bad ass machine
someone buy Mike a battery bank for his phone!
He has one and explained that it’s just another thing to remember to charge every night and another thing to haul around with him.
Pins that change themselves
Aww you only said bye once. I was expecting the video to keep going like it usually does.
Built by farmers for farmers. Antiseize is your friend.
mike that pin would be super easy to make take grease just would need some time to do the job
Im watching this as i load last years wheat
We are putting a load control shaft in a John Deere tractor this morning. The dealership said to put it in dry ice to super cool it so it goes in easier.
Does something rotate around that load control shaft? In this case, a fit as tight as this one was simply isn't a good thing. Putting it in dry ice will help you get it in, but what's the use if it's gonna expand and bind as soon as it warms up again? Yeah, it's in there, but it's gonna wear down or simply break. Better to make it fit properly.
I miss communicated. It's the bushings that go into the trans housing that the shaft goes into that are super chilled so that when they warm up they lock into the housing. The clearance is supposed to be around .0004
Nice!
Good thing they updated it
What a nightmare!!!