KDE Developer Switches To GNOME!

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  • @niccoloveslinux
    @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Live this evening so you can hold me accountable for yesterday's video!
    th-cam.com/video/NbnwpMh5530/w-d-xo.html

    • @OpenGL4ever
      @OpenGL4ever 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Using a Fingerprint reader for login is bs. Biometrical data can't be replaced when it is compromised. Thus it is very dumb to use that for login.

  • @juanadriancastroquintana8939
    @juanadriancastroquintana8939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    Top 10 betrayals nobody expected

    • @softwarelivre2389
      @softwarelivre2389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Niccolò 🤝 Weatley

    • @youkofoxy
      @youkofoxy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Top 10 betrayals nobody expected that were actually a double agent plot twist.

    • @caikk
      @caikk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      idek why this made me laugh hysterically.

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      To be fair my patreons knew :p

    • @noorhafizat
      @noorhafizat ปีที่แล้ว

      @@niccoloveslinux I have a feeling that some people would leave your patreon because of that :/

  • @hrstwn
    @hrstwn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +337

    I feel like the devs from other DE's should do this kind of thing to learn from each other.

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @Vinícius Felipe Posselt I doubt it's as common as you make it appear

    • @hrstwn
      @hrstwn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @Vinícius Felipe Posselt well I know that some gnome and elementary devs are contributing to each other's DE but I mean making videos promoting each other is just another level of effort I think

    • @joschafinger126
      @joschafinger126 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      One of the greatest things about free software is, they actually can.

    • @avinashthakur80
      @avinashthakur80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@niccoloveslinux But those who design & finalize the features should be doing it already if not devs. Isn't it ?

  • @tom_zanna
    @tom_zanna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    4:35 there's the official "Launch new instance" extension or you can use the middle click
    6:25 thy the "Sound Input & Output Device Chooser" extension

    • @JoaoAntonio-dt3rl
      @JoaoAntonio-dt3rl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      You can also drag and drop the icon on the virtual desktop and it opens a new instance.

    • @fabiooliveri5005
      @fabiooliveri5005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      7:17 "Caffeine" extension

    • @vetrixfx9264
      @vetrixfx9264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Gnome reminds me of Apple when you have to use 3rd party extensions for features that could be there OOB

    • @realtimestatic
      @realtimestatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also there’s caffeine for disabling auto suspend and screensaver when certain programs like mov are opened!

    • @realtimestatic
      @realtimestatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vetrixfx9264 at least it makes it really easy to install them!

  • @eddieoconnor4466
    @eddieoconnor4466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Welcome to the Gnome family!....LoL! I've been here since the Gnome 2.x days....we have come a long way and its pretty cool now!!

  • @SercanBoz
    @SercanBoz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    You can drag and drop a window to the space in-between the workspaces in thumbnails section. This will create a new workspace with the application window at desired position. Buon divertimento 😊

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      AMAZING!

    • @tobfos
      @tobfos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wish I knew about this before!!!

    • @OpenGL4ever
      @OpenGL4ever 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which KDE plasma version introduced this feature?
      If i try to do that in Debian 11 nothing happens.

    • @tobfos
      @tobfos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is on gnome

    • @OpenGL4ever
      @OpenGL4ever 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tobfos Ah thanks.

  • @kantoscad3583
    @kantoscad3583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have both Gnome and KDE on my notebook since the release of gnome 40.
    I prefer KDE but the gestures are a game changer on a notebook to the point I don't even feel the need of a mouse most of the times.

    • @onenone811
      @onenone811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      wm are only good for desktop screen not for notebook

  • @StephanSchutter
    @StephanSchutter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Yes, please implement the gnome overview, and dynamic virtual desktops in Plasma!

    • @frustbox
      @frustbox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as I know they are working on an overview effect. (Workspace Behavior → Desktop Effects → Under Window Management) and you can bind it to a hot-corner or a keyboard shortcut. I think it should get a big overhaul in 5.24 and be more like Gnome's
      There's also a Kwin Script called "Dynamic Workspaces" that does, well, just that, very much like it works in Gnome Shell. It worked quite well, when I tried it.

  • @donkey7921
    @donkey7921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Theres an extension called caffeine for gnome that does everything you said for MPV with one button press.

    • @MaxDad7
      @MaxDad7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Espresso is a better one to use for Gnome 40+

  • @rayanmazouz9542
    @rayanmazouz9542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    What I like about gnome is the consistency and the "clean look", but kde is improving a lot in this field

  • @aaronrancsik4
    @aaronrancsik4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For the mpv problem there is the caffeine extension. :)

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Installed it right now!

    • @aaronrancsik4
      @aaronrancsik4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s a workaround for wayland’s or free desktop’s incomplete specification.

    • @Alexmitter
      @Alexmitter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaronrancsik4 That is BS and easily disproven. All apps following the freedesktop spec properly stop and resume suspend. Its MPV that relied on a Xorg hack to prevent suspend and its core developer being too stubborn to implement the actual solution.

  • @sohangchopra6478
    @sohangchopra6478 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! Really enjoyed it, even though I am currently using neither KDE nor Gnome. 🙂

  • @razzeeee
    @razzeeee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for doing this. As others already mentioned caffeine and the sound chooser extension, I will mention that there are mockups for new quick settings. Which also have a sound chooser, seems like they might be targeting the fall release.

  • @izzyhethere4385
    @izzyhethere4385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm sure I am not the first person to tell you, but the dock _is_ part of the default gnome experience - (just not in the way ubuntu implemented it)
    I agree with the workspaces though! You _can_ put a window on a new workspace to the left, or between existiing workspaces, but it should be more discoverable.
    Cool to see someone with fresh eyes coming to gnome. Thanks for beeing so open and constructive. :)

  • @dritterregenschirm2324
    @dritterregenschirm2324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:10 There‘s a extension called Sound Input & Output Device Chooser for this. You can switch in the menu (in the top right corner) microfone and speaker.

    • @sdoregor
      @sdoregor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, you could just switch the mic's mode in pavucontrol.

    • @MaxDad7
      @MaxDad7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this! I never thought to look for an extension to add this functionality. It works quite well with Pop!_OS 21.10.

  • @johnwestervelt1525
    @johnwestervelt1525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The audio comment about switching between microphone and speaker - think Sound Output and Input extension. I never have to go back to settings.

  • @nils.offermann
    @nils.offermann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really like how fair you were in this video. I agree with most of your criticisms

  • @zPackss
    @zPackss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    About 8:35, you can use gdm do launch plasma and the fingerprint will work fine

  • @spbiscotto19r
    @spbiscotto19r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The last thought about many rows presentation is like "I would like to take activities to Gnome"

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well kinda yeah, but easier to switch between them! Activities aren't necessarily a bad idea...

    • @spbiscotto19r
      @spbiscotto19r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@niccoloveslinux would be awesome to have something like this in the new KDE overview. Also if don't feel like I would be using "fast change" for activities

  • @tannerlegvold3830
    @tannerlegvold3830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You may like the extensions
    Sound Output Device Chooser
    Application Volume Mixer
    Arc Menu
    As for window management, I agree with your critiques. FWIW I use Material Shell, its a very heavy duty extension but with the right keybind settings its great, I don't know how it works with touchpad gestures.
    I think the reason default Gnome sends you back to the currently open instance of Files when you click the icon, instead of opening another instance, is because thats what would happen on a smartphone. People say Gnome has a different "desktop metaphor". Perhaps this is good, it makes your computer act like your tablet act like your phone. Personally I don't think its worth it.

  • @Sjoerd1993
    @Sjoerd1993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    4:30, you can open a new window with middle click on vanilla Gnome. There's also an extension (I know, it's not vanilla then) to always launch a new instance when clicking an icon on the dash, it comes preinstalled (but disabled) on Fedora, I'm personally not a fan of that behaviour though.
    Nice video by the way. Fun to see things from the perspective of people that are generally used to an entirely different workflow.
    Edit: Removed a bit about only showing applications from the current workspace, that setting only affects application switching (e.g. alt-tab).

    • @miljantrajkovic1862
      @miljantrajkovic1862 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he said that he's using Ubuntu. So that means that he's stuck on the old version of GNOME :'(

    • @realtimestatic
      @realtimestatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@miljantrajkovic1862 it’s gnome 40 tho!

    • @miljantrajkovic1862
      @miljantrajkovic1862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@realtimestatic But there were many improvement, especially with multitasking in 41.3

  • @michael_tunnell
    @michael_tunnell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very interesting video and I think it is very important for developers from each DE to spend time in other DEs to see how others are doing something. Plasma is great but yea first impressions could be better. I am curious what were the things about the new overview that you don't like?

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My biggest issue is that the new overview flattens the structure of virtual desktops by not showing grids; no transition from your desktop to the effect; graphically speaking I prefer the approach where you have the background of the desktops with windows over it and then the blurred wallpaper behind

  • @Vlad-1986
    @Vlad-1986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I used Gnome for a while and kept track since 2005 (well, Gnome2 era). When Gnome3 came out I also relied on extensions to recover or add functionality, and my experience tells me that is not a good idea. There are many cool extensions, but they tend to not get updated and you end on an eternal cycle of looking at forks from forks from forks of the original extensions. (and of course, good luck keeping track of the names!). Also the lifespan of such extensions is less than a year in many occasions.

  • @JohnBrosan
    @JohnBrosan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great! Its always a good idea to see what others are doing. With regards to KDE with gestures and fingerprint reading. Well, these things take time and I am more than confident that KDE will get this done and done right. Just need time. :-D

  • @rusty9060
    @rusty9060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I really like gnome for simplicity and core desktop experience focus with a well thought and implemented workflow that is indigenous to Gnome. The way they lean on apps that are simple but elegant and excellent for one task, and that they support customizations via extensions which is a helpful thing for those who want a good and supported desktop but don't need or want all the extras, and some may call bloat, on their desktop.

  • @roarc0
    @roarc0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think that gnome's simplicity can be from a development point of view better maintained and can have a quicker evolution to new requirements.

  • @vychan3708
    @vychan3708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice! Hope you keep your job ;)

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm a volunteer!

    • @vychan3708
      @vychan3708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@niccoloveslinux Thanks for your work!

  • @Chr0n0s38
    @Chr0n0s38 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Depending on how you use Gnome, having the dash icons take you to an already open window even if it's on a different workspace can be nice.
    I use the workspaces on Gnome the same way someone would for something like i3. I dedicate each workspace to a specific purpose. So I might have a general purpose workspace, a browser workspace, a chat workspace, an email workspace, a terminal workspace (sometimes I move them to general purpose or browser, depending on my needs though). With this workflow, being able to click on firefox to jump to the 2nd workspace is convenient.

  • @WMan37
    @WMan37 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    My ideal desktop environment is basically a hybrid of KDE Plasma functioning identically to how it is right now with all of the KDE compatible apps and global themes built for KDE and without the Proton bug I hear GNOME has where there's allegedly some minor input delay compared to KDE, but with the _one and only_ functional difference from KDE being that when I tap or double tap the super key, it functions identically to GNOME where it brings up what happens at 2:40 when I tap once and 10:07 when I tap twice. GNOME's super key functionality, and specifically only this feature, was enough to almost completely get me to switch over because to me it's the perfect balance of efficiency and flashiness without overloading you with information, but I love KDE's... well, everything else more than GNOME.

    • @user-jw4lr3mq7y
      @user-jw4lr3mq7y 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think someone should fork Gnome 41 and make a fully fledged desktop environment out of it instead of a hybrid desktop/tablet environment. That way we could get the best of the both worlds... but who is going to do that?

    • @anonimous8457
      @anonimous8457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes! the gnome's overview is their best feature. hopefully they dont take too long to bring it to plasma

    • @Onkoe
      @Onkoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just want a KDE that's not built on Qt - it's the only thing that makes me shy away. :(

    • @ShiroCh_ID
      @ShiroCh_ID 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Onkoe why QT made you shy?

    • @Semperverus0
      @Semperverus0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-jw4lr3mq7y so cinnamon?

  • @xzaratulx
    @xzaratulx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    Gnome is very basic and that makes it so smooth,stable and charming. No argument there
    But if you want adventure, creativity and 500 options to controll all that .. kde is the way to go
    No reason to fight, both are linux after all 😊

    • @NamasteProgramming
      @NamasteProgramming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm forced to use KDE bcz Gnome apps looks good in KDE but KDE apps looks bad in Gnome, So I can have best of both on KDE and random crashes are complimentary

    • @NamasteProgramming
      @NamasteProgramming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Yofiel Crashing part of KDE looking good in Gnome part?

    • @NamasteProgramming
      @NamasteProgramming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great, More consistency is better for Linux

    • @Semperverus0
      @Semperverus0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NamasteProgramming it'll be less consistent though, you'll have half your apps looking like they were designed for a tablet and the other half looking like they're designed for the machine you're running them on. No themes in libatwaita is a bad move.

    • @NamasteProgramming
      @NamasteProgramming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Semperverus0 As long as they follow light and dark theme correct I don't care, apps are always going to look different and that's okay, people who want to get work done don't care much as long as UI is sensible

  • @310_tahmidhasanmuttaky4
    @310_tahmidhasanmuttaky4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use ToucheggKDE (with some customizations) in KDE, it makes the gestures at least on par with Gnome!

  • @BrunodeSouzaLino
    @BrunodeSouzaLino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well, but that's not the biggest issue people have with GNOME. Interface customization is it. For example, there's no way to change the size of the top bar. I feel like modern DE's waste too much vertical space with ginormous elements. The vast majority of people don't have 4K displays and there are no options to down scale content. As per GNOME extensions...They're mostly XML+CSS.

  • @perplexednihilist
    @perplexednihilist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Control + lmb to open new instance
    Drag an app and put it between 2 workspaces in the overview to create a new one
    There is an extension to choose sound output on status menu
    Caffeine is an extension that puts an indicator on the top bar to halt auto blank/suspend

  • @yt_reborngameplays
    @yt_reborngameplays 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If you are not using GNOME on fedora (most recommended), you are not experiencing GNOME the way it wants to project itself. Fedora to GNOME is what Pixel phones are to stock android.

    • @jesusiglesias4538
      @jesusiglesias4538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Tbf he disabled the majority (if not all) the Ubuntu's specific extensions, so this is as close as vanilla as it gets on Ubuntu. One guy on the comments suggested the GNOME session which is 100% vanilla, which is a great point.
      But yeah, I am with you on this, Fedora is the way to go for the authentic GNOME experience (SUSE and Arch are good options aswell)

  • @realtimestatic
    @realtimestatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    For these problems you mentioned there are actually extensions for most of these issues. Not saying this shouldn’t be in stock gnome but there’s an extension that ads your mic and speakers to the system tray (Sound Input & Output Device Chooser) as well as an extension for the auto suspend in mpv (Caffeine) which lets you set programs to disable auto suspend for!

  • @vikinggeorge7007
    @vikinggeorge7007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The screen brightness thing on Gnome, there's an extension called Caffeine.

  • @-aexc-
    @-aexc- ปีที่แล้ว

    as someone who uses gnome+sway on laptop and plasma on desktop, i completely agree with your critiques

  • @dontmindme8709
    @dontmindme8709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's really great that you stick to GNOME for a while. I think it allows for new fresh perspectives when you (hopefully) return to Plasma. It's also healthy to appreciate the good work that other projects do.

  • @jaimiepotts7638
    @jaimiepotts7638 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it might be worth keeping GNOME around for when GNOME 42 comes out in a couple of months :)

  • @joschafinger126
    @joschafinger126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To me, the Dashboard + VD overview at about 10:20 is very attractive indeed, more so as I gather you can use it to send apps to specific workspaces. I'd love to see that in Plasma.

  • @edwardecl
    @edwardecl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The only downside to Gnome for me is the extensions break on every update. That's actually a deal breaker for me because you need the extensions to make it usable.

    • @experimental0000
      @experimental0000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Considering extensions aren't supported by Gnome Devs, you're upset with volunteers that make these in their spare time for not somehow being on the bleeding edge before it's released. Not all of them have that kind of time.

    • @froze2823
      @froze2823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@experimental0000 That's not what he's saying though. The problem is that extensions are needed to customize gnome and make it function like most people want it to. And just like you're saying most of the volunteers won't have time to fix their extensions day 1. Which results in broken and abandoned extensions when Gnome has a major update.

    • @javaman2883
      @javaman2883 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@experimental0000 The idea is that those volunteer extension developers should not have to work to fix after every update

  • @MaidenLoaf
    @MaidenLoaf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Opening a new app when there's an existing one open can be done by holding Ctrl. This works for clicking as well as for Ctrl+Super+.
    There are gnome extensions for some of the other issues - e.g. Caffeine to prevent screen suspend

  • @cpuccino
    @cpuccino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can use the extension, “Sound input & output device chooser” to change your input and output sources.

    • @Semperverus0
      @Semperverus0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you need to install a plug-in to get basic desktop functionality?

    • @cpuccino
      @cpuccino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Semperverus0 No clue ask the developers

    • @shriteendhamasker9499
      @shriteendhamasker9499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cpuccino It is most likely to be available in GNOME 43

  • @jackevansevo
    @jackevansevo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree, totally wish they added back audio switching into the top panel. I swear it used to be there (maybe in Unity) but got deprecated. It’s such a common task I shouldn’t have to open settings/pavucontrol every single time.

  • @007Knightjp
    @007Knightjp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is good to try other desktops so that you can see and implement some of the features in KDE. Gnome does have some good points and some bad stuff. It is good to find out why this desktop takes such directions and why people love it.
    For me, I still prefer KDE over Gnome because of the customizations. The only reason for me to move away from macOS is the customization of the desktop. That is it.

  • @Tetex
    @Tetex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My biggest problem with GNOME is the lack of a system tray. GNOME devs in their arrogance think their notification system and APIs are better, but they are not. It sucks compared to system tray from a user perspective, especially if you are dealing with instant messaging apps. I know that from a system perspective the system tray implementation might not be as good, but system tray makes my life so much easier and convenient.

  • @trailblazercombi
    @trailblazercombi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:30 There's an extension for that: "Launch new instance"

    • @jperfection
      @jperfection 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why not middle click or Ctrl+Click? :p

  • @danilomonteiro4565
    @danilomonteiro4565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also you could take a look on other desktops/WMs, like XFCE, i3 etc

  • @methos1024
    @methos1024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think someone already wrote that. But nontheless:
    Instead of right click → new instance
    do drag and drop of the app icon/Starte to the desktop the new Window should start on. :-)

  • @GegoXaren
    @GegoXaren 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To open a new window pull the icon.
    To open a new desktop to the left drog a window to the left of the list.
    You can also Insert new desktops between other desktops the same way.
    Celloloid (ex gnome mpv) should block the timeout.
    There is a plugin for gnome to add audio device selector to the system menu... (which is great). It's called _Sound Input & Output Device Chooser._

  • @samuelaponte4225
    @samuelaponte4225 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did have to configure the trackpad a little bit myself, but is worth a shot, everything works as I wanted, you just have to reconfigure your trackpad, there's no need to tweak or touch the DE, it's actually kinda easy.

  • @EthanLR
    @EthanLR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    in KDE Plasma, the touchpad gestures I think can be implemented independently with touchegg

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not 1:1 though, so not nearly as good

  • @CameronVanNatta
    @CameronVanNatta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use Gnome with a mouse instead of a touchpad, and when I need to open a new window on my current desktop, I middle click the application icon on the dash. Depending on the touchpad, 3 finger tap, or 3 finger click simulates middle click.

  • @itsme9957
    @itsme9957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Knome is the way

  • @yt_reborngameplays
    @yt_reborngameplays 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ctrl+ clicking on an app opens a new window on the current workspace. You then move them into any workspace.
    Pressing super twice opens app drawer directly when overview is not open.
    Super+click and drag from anywhere of the app window.
    What we the users need to do is to check the keyboard shortcuts first. Is it necessary? Maybe not. Is it useful? 100% yes.

  • @robinverdenal-tallieux4318
    @robinverdenal-tallieux4318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To open a new window od an app in a specific virtual desktop you just need to drop the app icon into the virtual desktop and it will open up a new window.

  • @marcelosantosdearaujo914
    @marcelosantosdearaujo914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, it's also good to show that this tantrum between plasma x gnome doesn't exist (except on the part of cranky users trying to praise something by knocking down one or another project). About the extension did you succeed? I was curious because I didn't quite understand your proposal.

  • @MrVoidfull
    @MrVoidfull 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    GNOME's strength is it's stability. It gets out of the way and stuff just works. There are some annoying things with it, true but it truly gets out of the way. The dance of going to settings and finding a specific setting you need is really annoying if you have bluetooth headphones which are used on multiple devices. Each time I turn on my machine I have to go to settings - sound - blue tooth head set - enable. It's 4 or 5 clicks, and it gets old fast.

  • @ChaiBronz
    @ChaiBronz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you're done with Gnome the next video title is gonna sound even stranger: "KDE Developer Switches to Plasma!"

  • @abhisek330
    @abhisek330 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the things that plasma always forced me to switch to gnome was dimmed 'Toggle Present Windows' . I used a 4 * 4 desktop grid but while zoomed out it was confusing to see around 50 small windows and I always lost track of my present workspace. I just want to see the windows open on a particular workspace and gnome just nails it. No DE can match the panels and system tray of plasma.

  • @Chewsstudio
    @Chewsstudio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    my problem with extensions is every major update half of them break, and ones that don't wind up bugged out .

  • @accidentalibi
    @accidentalibi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's a Keep Awake extension that will stop your screen from sleep during watching videos. However, I agree that the most logical thing would be for video player app to override the sleep

  • @Babalas
    @Babalas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can also access "Sound" from overlay without having to click settings. Saves a few clicks

  • @ybcanal21
    @ybcanal21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Baby Wogue will be happy to see that. Are you really switching or just discovering Gnome to compare it with KDE Plasma ?

  • @7th_project
    @7th_project 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    id like to see you port KDE widget panels to Gnome Desktop, imagine KDE global menus on gnome!!! or KDE system widgets on gnome desktop...that would make Linux History!!
    id pledge $25 a month to see that happen!! Love your wallpaper!

    • @psifidotos4798
      @psifidotos4798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is already possible by using Latte under Gnome

  • @axlslak
    @axlslak 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    About the virtual desktop thing, don't know how much it would help someone else, but I like using alt+f1/2/3/4/etc for the virtual desktops (just like text consoles)d. I removed normal gnome functionality from alt+f1/2/3/4. Am using ctrl+w to close window, ctrl+q to quit application, which is more consistent to linux/unix shortcut keys. I rarely use the mouse. And if I do, I just go in overview mode (or whatever it is called) and just move stuff around. When you press windows key and you can see all virtual desktops. It's even more useful when you have a multi monitor setup. Which raises the complexity even more. I have 2 monitors most of the time, sometimes 3. I love the fact that I can configure 1 of them or more than 1 as work monitors and some as extension monitors. Meaning (at least in my case), one of them has all the virtual desktops that I switch around with alt+f buttons, and 1 or 2 are static and are unaffected by the other. So the second monitor can be used to keep a console open and read logs while working on monitor 1, and monitor 3 can run a movie for instance on the tv. Moving things around is very easy. Just press windows button, and move windows around.
    Also GNOME devs are available on IRC if you want to ask them questions. Personally I don't use more than 4 virtual desktops, because of the second and third monitor, but I looked it up and it works.
    There are 2 (well 3) which dramatically change the way gnome behaves. One is gnome-control-settings which is what you call settings, the other is gnome-tweaks. In gnome, these virtual desktops are called workspaces. So in tweaks, the last option is workspaces. And gnome has 2 options. By default, it is single dynamic workspace, primary display only. Which means, you start with 2 virtual desktops and then add on. You can switch with ctrl+alt+left/right arrow. Now that desktops are side by side. used to top one on top of each other, and you used ctrl+alt+up/down. I think they changed it in version 39 or around there. Anyway, the point is that you can set whatever number of _static_ virtual desktops, assign a key shortcut for them, and they will show in the overview window.
    Personally I keep an open desktop on alt+f1. got work on alt+f2 (mostly these days vim/gnome builder or smth like that) . got a browser on alt+f3. got an email client (evolution) on alt+f4. got my console on the right display, and a movie on the top display on the large tv. If something is not game/movie (display 3), or a console (display 2), or an email (desktop 4), or a web page (desktop 3), or work (desktop 2), then it's prolly on desktop 1 that is strange stuff that doesn't fit other screens... :)

  • @glock21guy
    @glock21guy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use the present windows and present desktop, as well as desktop switching, multi-finger gestures with KDE using libinput-gestures. It't not built-in, but it's an option that works with KDE.

  • @justahumanwithamask4089
    @justahumanwithamask4089 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that theme and icon pack. Is there a kde version? btw I appreciate your work.

  • @paulg3336
    @paulg3336 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:08 Workspace Matrix extension allows you to do that but the number of workspaces is fixed ,not dynamic. And Put Windows allows you to specify which workspace a particular app will open in.

  • @rollmeister
    @rollmeister 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not fussed about DE's. Gnome, KDE Plasma, Mate, XFCE etc I can use them all fine. WindowMaker is my favourite, possibly because it was the first I ever used in Redhat 5.2.

  • @dominictynes
    @dominictynes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would prefer it to be an out-of-box feature but I use "Sound Input & Output Device Chooser" extension for immediate/easy system menu access to changing my output device.

  • @niru216
    @niru216 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to use KDE and I've been using it for over a year but I have now switched to Gnome, sacrificing appearance and features for bugs...

  • @alicethegrinsecatz1611
    @alicethegrinsecatz1611 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Middle-click or 3-finger click on the app icon open a new windows too. 😉
    If it isn't working on vanilla GNOME, install dash-to-dock or floating dock and customize it.

  • @abubkurian1625
    @abubkurian1625 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:57 Yep I wish gnome had that workspace rearrangement feature.

  • @smarkson
    @smarkson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a KDE user since 1999 and for the first time trying Gnome for more than 20 days now. For me, it was hard to understand activities as workspaces and also about sound devices setup long way to settings and switch (I've found a gnome extension to select device but I really miss Plasma's way to remind devices by applications).

  • @DasJott
    @DasJott 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you make a video where you point out the things that you personally did for/on KDE?
    I would love to see what parts made by you! 😊

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've done it! It's called what do I do in KDE or something like that

    • @DasJott
      @DasJott 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@niccoloveslinux oh, okay🙈
      Should open my eyes more widely when watching TH-cam🤣
      Thanks!

  • @davidturcotte831
    @davidturcotte831 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just switched to back KDE. I switched from Gnome. I also switched from DWM. I still have DWM and it's still installed and I still use it...but...let's consider this a win for KDE. I say I switched back because I used it daily back in 3.5. I hated KDE 4. I hated it so much that I switched to Gnome 3. Then I switched to OSX. Those were dark days. Then I came back to Linux. I used Gnome then switched to DWM then Gnome then I ran them both. Now I'm back to KDE. Bismuth is awesome. Sorry I am not using Breeze. It's nice, but I prefer the Nord color schemes. You were part of the reason I came back to KDE. It was mostly Gentoo that caused the switch. Also, Gnome refuses to connect to my NextCloud and I hate things having features that are broken. It's apparently a known bug. Anyway. Enjoy the wall of text.

  • @iljazero
    @iljazero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    with audio issue, I actually have the same problem because my microphone accepts 3.5 jack for audio and 2 solutions I found is: In windows you can disable audio devices, which I do for stuff I don't need or disable driver for that audio thing specifically.

    • @iljazero
      @iljazero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thou with this I can tell, windows 11 has NO normal way to disable audio from what I know, I often pray that I can find legacy audio menu from windows 7 and disable it there, I hate new interfaces like that where they make everything big, okay fine.. and then don't add same functionality as before, I would say the only good thing about windows 10/11 audio tab is: you can select (if you find it) in mixer specifically which sound device to use for audio, which actually is a nice thing, I used it before to listen to music on stream without passing it to viewers.

  • @lauraramsey1415
    @lauraramsey1415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *Chino:* Ciao father V,
    Cocoa is possessed with fluffy GNOME
    come fast,
    -Chino
    *Father V:* Ciao Chino.
    Fluffy GNOME requires an unsafe ritual
    You sure you want to continue?
    *Chino:* The curse is getting worse every minute.
    *Father V:* Va bene.
    But I warn you the results are uncertain!
    *Chino:* Lets doit!
    😋😛😜🤪
    * The same night *
    *Father V:* I curse you out!
    *Fluffy GNOME:* But I'm so cute to curse me
    *Father V:* * raps in Latin *
    *Fluffy GNOME:* * Starts floating in air *
    *Father V:* Okay.
    She's fine!
    *Chino:* She doesn't look very fine to me
    Cocoa are you okay?
    *Kokoa:* I see kute kat.. 😽
    * Fluffy PLASMA INTENSIFIES *
    th-cam.com/video/gUCUO3Ffvns/w-d-xo.html

  • @srivathsansudarsanan3372
    @srivathsansudarsanan3372 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never expected this to happen

  • @EQuivalentTube2
    @EQuivalentTube2 ปีที่แล้ว

    But if you have a dynamic microphone, it IS actually a speaker! Look it up, it's true!

  • @SAMISCOOL510
    @SAMISCOOL510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE, YOU WERE MEANT TO DESTROY THE GNOME NOT JOIN THEM!

    • @NamasteProgramming
      @NamasteProgramming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No need, Gnome team is already working on that.

    • @HaxGuru
      @HaxGuru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NamasteProgramming 😂😂

    • @weebhavv
      @weebhavv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@NamasteProgramming Gnome Team is working on some amazing features in the next Gnome 42 update, give it a try maybe :)

    • @guilherme5094
      @guilherme5094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NamasteProgramming 👍!

    • @NamasteProgramming
      @NamasteProgramming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@weebhavv I would say yes they are, After all adding dark is amazing TBH

  • @michadybczak4862
    @michadybczak4862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I played with Gnome a few years ago, and I liked it visually but: I couldn't get the exact look, layout and desktop workflow as I wanted - in Plasma I can. There are so many things that I miss on Gnome that I can't consider it seriously. However, there are few things on Gnome that I would like to see implemented in Plasma, among them the overview, gestures, etc.
    My question here is, since GDM is open source, can you re-use backend code and implement it or rewrite for SDDM if fingerprint is so good in GDM? There is no need to reinvent a wheel anew, and the point of open-source is that we are able to use and improve on code that is there.
    You rather shouldn't publish such Gnome extension, because you would need to keep it updating with Gnome versions. If you switch to Plasma again and forget your Gnome affair, your extension will quickly become obsolete.

    • @belphegor_dev
      @belphegor_dev 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      > There are so many things that I miss on Gnome that I can't consider it seriously.
      What are these? Serious question from a gnome user thinking of switching to KDE.

  • @barend63
    @barend63 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love my Fedora 35 Gnome desktop.

  • @DushaneBre
    @DushaneBre 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    my personal problem with KDE is the animation jitters and the stability. Gnome is waaaay more better in both for me. I wish it wasn't so because i love KDE customization. :(

  • @fatihonal6273
    @fatihonal6273 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Say what you will, but GNOME is a very stable platform. If you want things done and not worry about your Desktop braking down you, it is the way to go.

    • @Tamtam-hh3xv
      @Tamtam-hh3xv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      100% true. As much as I love the customization of KDE I always find several bugs within like using 30 minutes of it. Its sad really. Hopefully we get better QA and have a more stable kde experience

    • @R0MUl0
      @R0MUl0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Tamtam-hh3xv Not only this, some times some behaviors that are not common on other DEs got my nerves, like right clicking behavior on xorg... Not sure it changed, but it triggered in the press event instead of release event, sometimes triggering the first item on the menu on the release event...

    • @MarkHobbes
      @MarkHobbes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It often breaks when you add a new extension and the shell updates to a new version. Using GNOME without extensions makes it too barebones and even the GNOME devs use it.

    • @carlocoppa5246
      @carlocoppa5246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Io uso entrambi...tuttavia Gnome senza estensioni è abbastanza inusabile e molte estensioni sono buggy. Plasma di default è abbastanza buono, non ho mai avuto interruzioni. Con l'esperienza ho imparato che di solito il default è quello che funziona meglio ed è meno soggetto a bug. Purtroppo per me è davvero difficile utilizzare Gnome vanilla, mentre trovo ottimo Plasma.
      Tuttavia è sempre questione di gusti, necessità, abitudini...sono due ottimi DE.

    • @tomasglavina4166
      @tomasglavina4166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wish they would take pop_shell tilling extension and make it a thing out of the box, everyone would be using gnome

  • @_-martin-_
    @_-martin-_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To start an application more than once simply hold down ctrl while left clicking the application icon in the bar. Another example of keeping things simple.

  • @Imaltont
    @Imaltont 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Opening a new window of something should be possible with holding control while pressing enter instead of flying accross the universe to go back to the file manager you opened some other place. Still not ideal imo, would rather have it work the opposite way, but it works.

  • @MartinCode
    @MartinCode 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Use the grouping of apps into folders in the App overview

  • @chrys9108
    @chrys9108 ปีที่แล้ว

    as about sddm, it also does not have accessibility support

  • @davidwayne9982
    @davidwayne9982 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That says a LOT when a KDE DEVELOPER likes GNOME better!!!! Personally I think Plasma LOOKS GOOD- but has TOO MANY CHOICES... analysis paralysis sets in---or I end up getting it all f.. d up with the settings wrong.. and can't get back without reloading. As I said, KDE is pretty- but NOT practical-- FAR TOO MANY choices..and as YOU said-- Gnome just WORKS!!!

  • @dsedchenko
    @dsedchenko 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:30 - there is Caffeine extension that allows to prevent system sleep.

  • @erikreider
    @erikreider 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's an extension that enables gestures on x11. I sadly don't remember the name...

  • @PpVolto
    @PpVolto 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What KDE needs are Presets, one Windows like, one Gnome like and one MacOS like. So you have a base for how the Desktop looks and handles. I dont use KDE since the i love the MacOS/Gnome App overview and POP_OS has a interresting new style for it. But there open a not so good Applaucher app on using the SUPER key :/

  • @nonnullptrhuman504
    @nonnullptrhuman504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Top 10 anime betrayal

  • @TheYUKATI
    @TheYUKATI 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    O.o You don't have a dock in the activities overview? I thought that was part of vanilla Gnome. For opening programs, I use keyboard shortcuts for the things I use most (browser, files, terminal,...). Programs I use less, but still on a regular, are in the dock inside the activities overview, and for anything else I just type the name in activities to find it.

    • @niccoloveslinux
      @niccoloveslinux  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do have it but it's out of the recording. I'm filming on a 1920x1200 screen so the bottom 180px are cut out

  • @manu.q
    @manu.q 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for pushing for a healthy Linux Desktop friendship!

  • @lieftheshinigami
    @lieftheshinigami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've tried to use KDE a multitude of times, and unfortunately, I tend to switch back to Gnome after awhile. Gnomes dynamic workspaces are the killer app for me, and I also like the way that GTK based apps look personally. Plasma, while being awesome and so configurable, I get lost with it because of how many nuanced things you can do with it. It's both a good and bad thing. If Tiling ever gets of the ground with Plasma, I might make that switch. I've been playing around with Sway lately, and It's been pulling me into the dark side of Tiling window managers lol
    My biggest gripe about Gnome isn't the simplicity, but how poorly it performs with a few things on screen, at least with my computers. My 1070 rig runs it fine, but all of my laptops (4th gen integrated graphics) struggle with Gnome.

  • @thousandtopics5568
    @thousandtopics5568 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you don't use the app grid, how do you open apps? Menu? Terminal?

  • @rtsa4633
    @rtsa4633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can install a default gnome session on ubuntu I think so you can use a vanilla install.