dont forget that they do not believe in spending on safety, they have a mentality that if bad things is bound to happen no matter how much prevention is put in bad things will still happen so they always, not often, but always just spend the most minimal in resources to by pass requirements and thats it. they only put up a good show and prepare hongbaos(/bribe money in red packets) when they catch wind of impending audits. after that everything will be lax again. again, budget allocated always, not often, but always goes to pockets. such mentality of theirs in their industrial practices of theirs makes the aircraft more dangerous, even if it is designed 10x better than Boeings on paper.
@0:02 "China's self-developed..." => *The CCP's self-assembled..."* The CCP did *not* develop this plane, any more than I "developed" this bookcase from IKEA: the CCP merely assembled the C919 from parts it had stolen from other, Western and US, manufacturers. The main difference being that I _paid_ for the bookcase.
Reminds me of the great capacitor fails of twenty years ago. Billions of capaciitors, world wide, failed due to the use of chinesium capacitors whose recipe for electrolitics had been stolen... but the recipe or use of stabilizer was not used or used correctly. Within a short time of use, the capacitors started puffing up and failing... resulting in widespread failures in electronics, like monitors, tv's and countless other products. Imagine that type of fiasco... while you're 20,000 ft up in the air...
The "capacitor plague" is well worth looking up on Wikipedia. In a nutshell, industrial spies stole 95% of the proprietary information that Japan's capacitor makers had developed which enabled Chinese factories to sell cheaper capacitors to component makers. The Chinese capacitors looked and tested OK, passing initial quality control standards, but within a year of actual use, they would degrade, leak, and blow, shorting out, or destroying whatever circuit boards they were soldered into, all because that last 5% of the formula wasn't stolen. Dell spent half a billion on warranty claims, and other makers had to discard huge amounts of finished, but untrustworthy products.
Which lead to the push even in DIY gaming computer scene wanting only Japanese capacitors in parts for their gaming machines. As Back to the Future III taught us, all best stuff is made in Japan.
passenger jet engines are some of the most technologically advanced objects on the planet. they are extremely costly and created of thousands of parts that each need to be created to extreme tolerances. most nations cannot create them on their own, airbus is made by over a dozen nations in Europe, with the engines mostly designed and produced by the British. It is not surprising that China is having difficulty creating passenger jets even with IP theft.
Classic China don’t do the man work or research just steal others IP all in the name of fake communism. They go ahead to bully the country you stole their ip
China has been unable to manufacture high-performing jet engine for military aircraft despite having access to and having been reverse-engineering Russian jet engines for decades. Their military jet engines in current use are under-powered and have a shorter lifespan those built by the U.S. and the U.K.
Boeing does it all in America duh…..vastly superior product…..are you willing to put your life and fly on chinese made electronics parts and metallurgists and software ….not me maybe in 50 years but I’m no communist guinea pig ….let the Chinese fly chinese first😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The success of the American aviation industry was bought and paid for with the blood of countless heroes and innocent lives over the decades. This is what’s led to the safety and security we all experience flying in a Boeing jet. China had not yet paid this price, which means that that debt is still to be paid in the future.
@@francissabbe But in the USA, fraud will be uncovered and dealt with accordingly. Meanwhile, we are still waiting to hear how Covid 19 came about because some countries deliberately choose to sweep it under the rug, then cover that rug with hundreds of other rugs until its lost in a sea of rugs.
Says someone who doesn’t speak Chinese and never been there, who has no idea how many patents Chinese applies every year, keep doing this, stay this way for the rest of your life, ignorance is streagth. Hooray
@@qiaoeryemy dear, we are talking here about aviation and planes and c919 , which are already technologies dated back from several decades (and still improving) : china is a new entrant/player in this sector thx to all the partnership with Boeing and Airbus and technology china took from the main plane manufacturers in the world. Your chinese patents are in other domains. 😂!! Don't need to recreate the wheel dear.
@@andreandree4384All countries experienced all sorts of technical difficulties in R and D. C919 uses many western companies for key parts.If what you said is true, it was the western companies who stole.
Chinese steal technology while lazy smart companies and counties sleep… Think slowly these smart lazy companies and counties are waking up and the CCP’s MO is gasping for air…. What is really needed is to cut the supply of all western technologies from China, ban Chinese students from all western universities and limit / ban Chinese immigration to the West….. The USA and allies should continue to load military bases in all South China Sea countries and cut this AXIS of evil off at the neck…. Massive demographics decline resulting from historic AND strategic lunacy, will reduce the CCP to the other 22 failed attempts of China becoming a good citizen grownup….. Maybe then the Chinese people can take responsibility for themselves and stop believing and blaming authoritarian regimes for their inadequacies and failures…… As for the need for speaking Chinese… What a waste of time! Thought for the day !!!!!
"False technology transfer" is PC term for stolen. Their only viable overseas market is through their Belt and Road Initiative. Countries will look at the Chinese built roads and infrastructure projects, which are all falling apart, crumbling. Then they will look at their airplanes, make the connection and stay with Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier and other proven aircraft.
China only gets their technology by stealing it. Then they’d ask you to have a local partner so they also can steal your technology before they make up a false reason to kick you out of their country. One small example is battery. China can’t export their batteries because they got the tech from stealing it. So the world wouldn’t sue China if they don’t export them out of China.
lots of headlines about "competition" "rivalries" but when you consider that almost everything used by china is American; American invention, American innovations, American ideas, ... then you realize that this is more a huge (and one sided) dependency than any kind of competition or rivalry.
If a company needs to steal the knowledge to build something that is a massive technological challenge as a flying passenger jet, they don’t hold the proper mindset to be in this business.
Even the Japanese couldn't get their mostly home grown passenger certified by the FAA. The Mitsubishi SpaceJet was cancelled when it ran into huge and costly problems in the certification process. Mitsubishi closed the entire organization. If the Japanese couldn't make a small regional jet, the Chinese have zero chance of accomplishing that especially if it's going to use stolen technology for its engines and other high tech systems.
Neither the Jap could build a Tiangong Space Station, nor landed a robot on the dark side of the Moon and on the Mars. Don't underestimate the Chinese, or you will be freaked. Boeing was initiated by a Chinese man Wong Tsu by the way. Yes they may stop supplying the parts, and C919 may be grounded, before long the Chinese will be able to do it on their own, just like when they were excluded from the international space station.
Very true. And Mitsubishi had a lot of experience building sophisticated American military aircraft designs under license. But those depended on key components produced in the US.
@@xhagast wow. But Brazil Embraer E2 Jets comparable to a320 or 737. Used internationally. China was like if Brazil can do it. So can I? China already had ARJ-21 airliner which has been flying for quite some time now and has had zero incidents. Yes C919 is in fact Not Chinas first airliner.
I’m guessing they will be flying within their borders almost exclusively in the future. Stealing that complex tech is not like stealing art and plushie designs.
I previously commented on having worked for a gas turbine manufacturer but how many of you know that in the high pressure section of the compressor the blades are hollow and have cooling air forced through them, that's why there's the technology gap which China is trying to buy.
Not buy ....steal ! A country of thieves and posers. They even work to imitate being good people. But when push comes to shove selfish greed and smear campaigns against non han peoples show the true story.
Yeah but the difference is other Asian countries actually spent money on R&D so they COULD improve over time. How is China going to improve when they stole all the tech and probably have a minimal understanding of how it works to start.
not totally true. Hyundai were a long-established engineering company with experience of making ships and other industrial-scale machinery. It was inevitable they would make vehicles as part of Kore's economic expansion
@@mmaker88 I think I can make reasonable guesses of the opinions of others, especially when it's so obvious and I will, because I'm free and not afraid. Nobody wants anything to do with China and the evil CCP. Everyone knows China's air, land and water is all polluted and corrupt. Everything made in China is tofu dreg garbage. China is poison. Now everyone knows. The secret is out.
I would assume that a parallel comparison can be made between Chinese military aircraft technology and advanced material sciences. Years of experience and material science are hard to overcome with brute-force dollars. Regulating the Importing of airplane parts would seem to be an apparent political card to be played. Perhaps Taiwan and its chip dominance could factor into the equation. China appears to be moving a little too fast for its own good, outgrowing its tech sector and puffing its chest out with its military in an attempt to be a world power in all things. I fear they are building a house of cards.
When it comes to their military gear, they have never designed anything themselves. They do the buy one or two, break it down copy all the parts slightly change the exterior look then mass produce them. That’s why Russia stop selling them stuff. They copy and replicate but they have no idea how to fix or maintain.
You are correct. China replicate their new jet fighter engines from the Russian Migs. It can fly but cannot fly up to the max capability. If it does, it will blow up.
The first time a Chinese Emperor saw an airplane, he commanded his citizens, slaves, servants, or whatever they were called, to make an airplane just like that. The finished product had wings, tail, and propeller. Instead of an engine, it had a box filled with honeybees to make the sound. The Chinese people have not yet comprehended such a concept as project management or division of labor.
@@radman1136 What's wrong, wumao? Don't like to be reminded that you aren't and never were kings of the world except in your own, isolated kingdom? The hubris of you fools!
@@Dan_the_Great_ Anyone that was a direct servant, even a slave, to the chinese emperor probably had a better quality of life than 90% of the rest of the population. Except eunuchs, and only because their genitals got cut off.
From what I have heard from engineers is that reverse engineering from stolen items is extremely difficult if not impossible. If you have a thing that you get your hands on, you have figure out how to create the materials used, make them and then getting them to work is difficult. This is what happened here and it seems to have not worked. At least they realized the plane would not fly safely and stopped using it.
@@ilovelimpfries A spoon is more versatile and anything too hard to eat with a spoon is just too hard to manage with chopsticks. Remember, usually chopsticks PUSH food from the bowl directly into your mouth.
An objective question is: what sort of certification testing has this aircraft design been put through ? Further questions can asked about the longer term potential reliability. Would other countries accept the Chinese aircraft certification ?
In short no, CAAC certification will be accepted by Chinese and a few select countries such as Africa and Indonesia. The new Airbus facility being built in China for aircraft storage and disassembly all clmponents will be repaired and consumed within China. Most other countries do not accept CAAC only certified parts.
@@glenstuart7823 Thanks for replying. I did not know about the Airbus facility. It seems to be an odd decision in that I would have expected it to be built within the EU.
@@DJAYPAZdo you not understand? The elitist of the West hate everyone that lives in it. They don’t care about selling out to China 🇨🇳the west especially the USA has built up the enemy that will one day possibly destroy her, its arrogance to the highest degree
China usually stole and adopt western technologies. When we were setting bearings facility in India, the German equipment cost 2.5 times of Chinese. We realised from few players who used Chinese equipment revealed many things how stolen technology from Germany could not be perfected by China to leading serious quality ussues. Today, Germany outsourced many if the manufacturing to China is different thing. Unfortunately, the world going to pay price for buying cheap abd compromise safety. Disaster is bound to happen and it will be too difficult for European economies to recover back given that China has already got their power in.
Apple and Foxconn are already decoupling from China. Other companies will follow going to Vietnam, India and other south East Asian countries with lower wages. China is going to lose a lot of investors that they could potentially steal tech from in the next few years.
A single crash / malfunction of the C919 (God forbid!) will end China's aviation dreams in seconds. Boeing and Airbus have gone through the teething troubles and have established themselves. Of course, Chinese are welcome to venture into the field!
@@paulgerrard9227 From a TH-cam article I saw the other day there are fields full of EV's sitting rotting. China is a WANNABE but will only ever achieve NEVER GONNA BE.
I somehow always knew that this would be a financial risk. Not to mention that this aircraft program was copied from western built technology. Boeing and Airbus already have the bulk of the world's marketshares for a long time now. China may now have extensive issues with the production of this airplane, as of late.
That sort of strong-arming exporters into forced technology transfer is an ongoing game. It may work with laptop computers or kitchen appliances but aircraft design is another animal altogether.
It was Airbus who built ab A320 factory in China and this "Chinese" C919 is a typical lame Chinese copy of an excellent foreign product. Just a couple of months ago I rented a Chinese copy (totally new) of a Toyota in South Africa and after 2 weeks I had to change this scap to an original Toyota. O dear, what a relief!
Without knowing the complexities of building a modern aircraft , simpleton Xi decided to build a Chinese commercial jet. All he sees right now is a “Chinese-made” aircraft that tickles is ego. He doesn’t know that 90% of its parts are made from the West, and that basically reduces China as an assembly factory instead of a maker. What’s worse is this aircraft was put together with inferior material and inferior technique that it has been reduced to a disaster waiting to happen. Personally, I would rather fly a Russian-made Aeroflot liner than simpleton Xi’s flying idea. 😢
I'll raise you, I give the C919 eighteen months before it will either be grounded or have had a major aircraft malfunction! I hope I'm wrong on the second one.
@@DrTubeman You are both such optimists. I wouldn't give it a year of these birds flying internationally before some ground crew in another country grounding a plane. PLUS a crash or two.
8:25 What is even more relevant is that given the yen for short cuts and cheapskate copying, the contractors who eventually manufactured all these hi-tech engine components would inevitably get greedy. Fly "Made in China" lol.
Remember China, the largest manufacturer of the ball point pens, wasn’t able to manufacture the ball of the pen, until 2017. This took them 5yrs of R&D to perfect it.
Lol. I said the same thing. It took the Chinese five years to figure out how the make ball for a simple ball point pen. They need about a thousand years to make a really safe passenger jet plane.
If China can go to outer space and develop hypersonic missiles and 5G tech on its own without help from the west what is so difficult about a commercial airplane which China cannot overcome and master in due time ?
All of those is with stolen western tech. Trust me, theft is absolutely rife with the Chinese. A lot of western companies are pulling out of China, for multiple reasons.
The Hypersonic missile tech was originally 'leaked' to China from Russia, though China has since thrown more funds into it and surpassed the Russian tech. 5G technology was developped by 3GPP, an international partnership/standards organization that China is a part of, so they certainly didn't develop 5G tech on their own, China is merely capable of producing the tech by itself now, cheaper than Western firms generally can. I think a lot of the ground work was done by what is now Sony/Erikson, but don't pin me on that. Could they master commercial airliners in time? Yes, fully agree. Will they? That fully depends on how much it benefits the CCP after this initial PR has been spun. It may not be viable for them to throw more money at it over time, especially with all the economic woes they are now facing, I certainly don't see it being a very profitable venture for quite some time.
CCP mentality, "what you can do I can do better", if not better, then "bigger", "faster", "flashier". How about safer, "what do you mean, never heard of that word!" But look, our beloved supreme leader sat in the cabin, and that's how confident he is! But was the plane in flight? That's state secret!
Years back while getting a haircut I overheard a conversation about a local billboard sign for china airlines..apparently some one had defaced the ad by painting "You've seen us drive now watch us fly" this was before the pc craze
Planes are not just how parts look and fit together. The parts has to hold especially metal fatigue..or else eventually it will fail and fall off the sky.
I guess they gave up on the maintenance of the bullet trains and tracks that they bought from Japan/Korea. You don't need planes with a train network since they fill the same position. On the other side of the coin, it'll be impossible to catch Boeing/Airbus for commercial sales. By the time they catch up, they will already be at another level of sophistication.
The US, Atlantic Council just did a report on what Washington might do in an event that Taiwan is invaded. One was the ban on all systems from the EU and the US for building the C-919. No domestic flights were also going to be used for Airbus and Boeing planes now operating in China. Just like what Russia is going through.
If COMAC have an after sales support performance like other typical Chinese companies then the aircraft will fly and when it needs a spare part then the plane will sit where lands forever.
Everything i bought, clippers, screwdrivers, hairdryer, burnt out, shattered, bent. Unstitched, unglued,dye ran, wrong specs from order ,etc. Nothing will make me own or use Chinese
This situation is same as Huawei phones, most important parts are made with Non-Chinese companies, china companies are simply finishing up the final assemblies.
How come those countries that make the" most important parts" do not have 5G? Since they sanctioned Huawei, China has gone into 6G now. Freaking cry about it.
Airbus has 60% of its parts coming from outside Europe. Boeing relies on global suppliers, including China, Japan, Europe for its parts. Boeing doesn't make its own jet engine. Fact is just like the car industry, commercial aircraft relies on thousands of suppliers worldwide. No one single country can manufacture all the parts for a profitable commercial aircraft. C919 has 60% from Chinese suppliers, that's bigger than Airbus. They intentionally used European and American parts in order to work toward FAA certification on some crucial systems. Commercial aircrafts can't be simply assembled like Ikea furniture, because the overall design and testing requires high tech engineering such as wind tunnels and super computers. This is partially why Japan failed to create a regional jet, even though it can produce many sophisticated components for Boeing. Don't believe me? Just Google for Airbus and Boeing parts and suppliers.
It would be more appropriate to say that Japan's SpaceJet is a nightmare as it is already declared dead. For C919, it is only the beginning and let us give it some time to prove itself before dismissing it in such a hurry.
How ironic, everything we use is made in China and everything they need is made in the US😂 The story though, reminds me of the difference between professionals and TH-cam DIY’ers. Information is great but experience and knowledge are key.
General Electric recently bought 20 C919 for the US as all aircraft's parts are made from the same suppliers. Both Boeing and Airbus welcomed the Comac C919. The Boeing's stock shares fell far from only a few years ago after losing 2 heavy class passenger aircraft both in one day. Boeing's employees are on videos saying how not everyone was feeling their work was 100% safe and completely done, yet "the planes were rushed out of the door to meet sales schedules." Against the common sense to make profit over people's interest. China's rapid improvements in technology isn't corrupt in various ways and our sanctions are proving worthless because they've made such rapidly improving technology without the Microchips lithography machines either and even improving further choosing their own destiny before our superiority complex does anymore harm to the billions of Asian people. De-dolllarization is popular among many countries as we're not told about it either on news. Because our not so federal reserve is printing Trillions of Dollars more recently than the past decades combined. Hopefully our country can return the prominence in many topics we lost recent years. Trillions of Dollars in taxes and still no high speed trains and more homelessness every month. China's people are mostly happy to share promoting everyone's benefits and the constitution of China says all families kids have free education too. Our US recently ranked 22nd place in P.I.S.A., the world's most difficult university entrance exam results yet China and Singapore ranked 1st and 2nd places. Mostly because Asian countries prioritize family traditions and virtues which proves best life long results as opposite of our Western countries Lamestream media Anti-Family agendas are proving worse results than people realize. Hopefully our aircraft are better and not so outdated as aircraft experts are pointing out the C919 is far more advanced than people realize.
People used to hear, "a BILLION potential customers" and fell on their knees begging for a chance at them. They never really had a chance at ANYTHING. They stayed for the cheap labor. Nowadays Vietnam is more competitive. And Mexico and India are VERY attractive.
Was wondering if anyone else was gonna pick up on that labeling method. I mean, they did it to the point where they used a foreign writing systems letter IN the planes name instead of a Chinese character.
China can't produce a reliable jet engine for their military so they try to buy Russian fighters to get the engines but even Russia wouldn't sell them engines. It looks like a cross between an A320 & a 737. I worked for a gas turbine manufacturer for a while and to see turbine blades being manufactured is amazing, you can't just buy this technology and experience of manufacturing.
What's the point of govt subsidies when there is high operational costs & lack of certification limits international flights / haulage? Unless they want to risk another ev debacle ...
Why would China want to manufacture its own jets when it takes literally decades to master the technology? There's a reason why they are only 2 main aircraft manufacturers in the world, the barriers to entry is extremely high!
Engines are created by not God's but humans. Achieving excellence is human nature. But tremendous effort to achieve success in the field formation is necessary. Do it.
The main basic technologies that China can develop internally without much Western help is precision manufacturing technology in relation to cutting, measuring, and ball bearings. Unfortunately the nation is terrible in keeping institutional knowledge in terms of basic science retention within the academic field, because their top priority has been to maintain communist ideological superiority and political power control over everyone. They are going to head very quickly backwards in technology progress, because they fear any person or group in their society of gaining political power that might be used against the current government and political party. Anyone that is remotely successful within China is a target for the CCP to demand, extort, and steal wealth from. It's a sick situation when a backward 'cult' authoritarian nation is in control. The world is in a lot worse predicament when you let entities like this exist.
@@laustinspeiss I somewhat agree, but people from the stone age have to start somewhere. The problem with most places in the world isn't really finding the knowledge and ability to learn and use technology. The major problem most cultures and societies fail with technology is the lack of a sustainable environment and condition to maintain the knowledge base and institutional skill within the group to maintain and progress technology.
@@fturla___156 Absolutely. I was involved in “technology transfer” to another country for over ten years. Happily I can say they evolved significantly over that time and beyond.
Considering China's difficulties with its commercial aircraft engines, one can only imagine the unreported problems China's military engines primarily the WS-10C and the WS-15 engines that power China's 2 primary fighter aircraft the J-10C and J-20 have.
When Belenko defected, he was debriefed by American intelligence. He reported that those whizbang Russian fighters have an engine life measured in hours. They often just swap in a fresh engine as a complete overhaul would be too enormously expensive.
Chinese renters had a meeting over the light in a lift for their apartments. After the meeting they decided as they don't own the lift it is not their problem.
So basically this plane is made in America and Europe but assembled in China as a made in China brand. It’s a under powered knock off Frankenstein of a plane.
It'll be just "good enough" for developing countries to use, regardless of safety standards. If we look at consumer electronics and automobiles in developing countries, they do make sales. Best thing for to do for western countries is just cut of the CCP from their markets and let them sink or swim.
I mean it's OK to criticise the CCP regime but to mock the Chinese for trying to attempt to make their own Airplane , comeon bruh😅 Everybody starts from the bottom its not like they will get it in one shot. Plus there are only 2 big players Boeing & Airbus - who are a result of decades of investment, R&D , M&A. The Boeing 747 crashed 2 times and Boeing is still in business. So, I dont understand the hate COMAC is getting, yes they will try, they cannot make 100% made in China plane, but over time in decades they may reduce the imported components. Simply hating COMAC for being Chinese is not cool man
Considering Chinese buildings are falling apart, i won't be flying on their planes.
The CCP can not pay me enough to ever board a Chinese plane😂
dont forget that they do not believe in spending on safety, they have a mentality that if bad things is bound to happen no matter how much prevention is put in bad things will still happen so they always, not often, but always just spend the most minimal in resources to by pass requirements and thats it. they only put up a good show and prepare hongbaos(/bribe money in red packets) when they catch wind of impending audits.
after that everything will be lax again. again, budget allocated always, not often, but always goes to pockets.
such mentality of theirs in their industrial practices of theirs makes the aircraft more dangerous, even if it is designed 10x better than Boeings on paper.
Jealousy do kills
I wouldnt either, he'll no!
Well currently it has an better safety record then the latest Boeing equiv.
And until 2 of them have landed vertically that will remain so.
@0:02 "China's self-developed..." => *The CCP's self-assembled..."*
The CCP did *not* develop this plane, any more than I "developed" this bookcase from IKEA: the CCP merely assembled the C919 from parts it had stolen from other, Western and US, manufacturers. The main difference being that I _paid_ for the bookcase.
well said, I also developed the Star War troop carrier from LEGO🤣🤣🤣
Couldn't agree more,have you seen my new rocket engines ?? All my own work. 😂
maybe, and USA stole many techs from Germany back in the day. Israel steals from USA all the time.
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China bought the parts from western manufacturers. SO Yeah they paid for the plane parts.
and assembled the plane themselves.
Reminds me of the great capacitor fails of twenty years ago. Billions of capaciitors, world wide, failed due to the use of chinesium capacitors whose recipe for electrolitics had been stolen... but the recipe or use of stabilizer was not used or used correctly. Within a short time of use, the capacitors started puffing up and failing... resulting in widespread failures in electronics, like monitors, tv's and countless other products.
Imagine that type of fiasco... while you're 20,000 ft up in the air...
The "capacitor plague" is well worth looking up on Wikipedia. In a nutshell, industrial spies stole 95% of the proprietary information that Japan's capacitor makers had developed which enabled Chinese factories to sell cheaper capacitors to component makers. The Chinese capacitors looked and tested OK, passing initial quality control standards, but within a year of actual use, they would degrade, leak, and blow, shorting out, or destroying whatever circuit boards they were soldered into, all because that last 5% of the formula wasn't stolen. Dell spent half a billion on warranty claims, and other makers had to discard huge amounts of finished, but untrustworthy products.
I forsee this happening again.
Which lead to the push even in DIY gaming computer scene wanting only Japanese capacitors in parts for their gaming machines. As Back to the Future III taught us, all best stuff is made in Japan.
I believe they used a faulty electrolyte 'recipe' poorly 'stolen' from the Japanese.
bulging capacitors. dell got a lot of calls about that issue.
passenger jet engines are some of the most technologically advanced objects on the planet. they are extremely costly and created of thousands of parts that each need to be created to extreme tolerances. most nations cannot create them on their own, airbus is made by over a dozen nations in Europe, with the engines mostly designed and produced by the British. It is not surprising that China is having difficulty creating passenger jets even with IP theft.
Classic China don’t do the man work or research just steal others IP all in the name of fake communism. They go ahead to bully the country you stole their ip
China has been unable to manufacture high-performing jet engine for military aircraft despite having access to and having been reverse-engineering Russian jet engines for decades. Their military jet engines in current use are under-powered and have a shorter lifespan those built by the U.S. and the U.K.
They do make some of the parts. Tail sections and turbine blades for one.
Boeing does it all in America duh…..vastly superior product…..are you willing to put your life and fly on chinese made electronics parts and metallurgists and software ….not me maybe in 50 years but I’m no communist guinea pig ….let the Chinese fly chinese first😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@GORT70that’s not their tech though. 😂
The success of the American aviation industry was bought and paid for with the blood of countless heroes and innocent lives over the decades. This is what’s led to the safety and security we all experience flying in a Boeing jet. China had not yet paid this price, which means that that debt is still to be paid in the future.
But they don't care about dead people
China got a copy of the safety certificate so that counts
Especially safety and security of the 737 Max ???????
@@francissabbeThe exception proves the rule.
@@francissabbe But in the USA, fraud will be uncovered and dealt with accordingly. Meanwhile, we are still waiting to hear how Covid 19 came about because some countries deliberately choose to sweep it under the rug, then cover that rug with hundreds of other rugs until its lost in a sea of rugs.
Who would board a Chinese plane? It'd have to be the last plane out of Afghanistan for me to get on!
give me the keys to the camel please
That would be the most authoritative definition of "between a rock and a hard place" lol
your moms and fathers
i think you will be safer with the Taliban than in a chinese plane
Safer to walk, even with the risk of the plane falling on your head!
Technological difficulties = We weren't able to steal all of the technology so we couldn't clone it completely.
Says someone who doesn’t speak Chinese and never been there, who has no idea how many patents Chinese applies every year, keep doing this, stay this way for the rest of your life, ignorance is streagth. Hooray
@@qiaoeryemy dear, we are talking here about aviation and planes and c919 , which are already technologies dated back from several decades (and still improving) : china is a new entrant/player in this sector thx to all the partnership with Boeing and Airbus and technology china took from the main plane manufacturers in the world.
Your chinese patents are in other domains. 😂!!
Don't need to recreate the wheel dear.
@@andreandree4384All countries experienced all sorts of technical difficulties in R and D. C919 uses many western companies for key parts.If what you said is true, it was the western companies who stole.
Chinese steal technology while lazy smart companies and counties sleep… Think slowly these smart lazy companies and counties are waking up and the CCP’s MO is gasping for air….
What is really needed is to cut the supply of all western technologies from China, ban Chinese students from all western universities and limit / ban Chinese immigration to the West…..
The USA and allies should continue to load military bases in all South China Sea countries and cut this AXIS of evil off at the neck…. Massive demographics decline resulting from historic AND strategic lunacy, will reduce the CCP to the other 22 failed attempts of China becoming a good citizen grownup…..
Maybe then the Chinese people can take responsibility for themselves and stop believing and blaming authoritarian regimes for their inadequacies and failures…… As for the need for speaking Chinese… What a waste of time!
Thought for the day !!!!!
There are thousands of them being bought and flying in China. You steal your own plane? Do you know what you are talking about?
"False technology transfer" is PC term for stolen.
Their only viable overseas market is through their Belt and Road Initiative.
Countries will look at the Chinese built roads and infrastructure projects, which are all falling apart, crumbling.
Then they will look at their airplanes, make the connection and stay with Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier and other proven aircraft.
Cannot wait til one of these full of party leaders goes into the deck!
China only gets their technology by stealing it. Then they’d ask you to have a local partner so they also can steal your technology before they make up a false reason to kick you out of their country. One small example is battery. China can’t export their batteries because they got the tech from stealing it. So the world wouldn’t sue China if they don’t export them out of China.
@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1ncsame
Not "false" but "forced"
Tofu roads/bridges/etc.
lots of headlines about "competition" "rivalries"
but when you consider that almost everything used by china is American; American invention, American innovations, American ideas, ... then you realize that this is more a huge (and one sided) dependency than any kind of competition or rivalry.
There future depends on stealing technology from the west they cannot innovate
Eh, they also copied the Russians
@@rabbiama2940and Russians often copied others.
If a company needs to steal the knowledge to build something that is a massive technological challenge as a flying passenger jet, they don’t hold the proper mindset to be in this business.
You are describing the whole country.
@@Notme-tq4xs I know, I have dear Chinese friends. It’s a mindset that will take a few generations to change.
@@Notme-tq4xsYa. The country that need to raise the ceiling of debt to survive.
@@jayhong6875 fiat money is Italian, right?
then why airbus and boeing all gave the congratulation？
Even the Japanese couldn't get their mostly home grown passenger certified by the FAA. The Mitsubishi SpaceJet was cancelled when it ran into huge and costly problems in the certification process. Mitsubishi closed the entire organization. If the Japanese couldn't make a small regional jet, the Chinese have zero chance of accomplishing that especially if it's going to use stolen technology for its engines and other high tech systems.
Neither the Jap could build a Tiangong Space Station, nor landed a robot on the dark side of the Moon and on the Mars. Don't underestimate the Chinese, or you will be freaked. Boeing was initiated by a Chinese man Wong Tsu by the way. Yes they may stop supplying the parts, and C919 may be grounded, before long the Chinese will be able to do it on their own, just like when they were excluded from the international space station.
I was wondering about the Japanese. And you are right, if THEY cannot do, the Chinese haven't got a prayer. Paper tiger indeed.
Very true. And Mitsubishi had a lot of experience building sophisticated American military aircraft designs under license. But those depended on key components produced in the US.
@@xhagast wow. But Brazil Embraer E2 Jets comparable to a320 or 737. Used internationally.
China was like if Brazil can do it. So can I?
China already had ARJ-21 airliner which has been flying for quite some time now and has had zero incidents. Yes C919 is in fact Not Chinas first airliner.
C919 Engines are bought from GE. Use stolen technology for engine? please elaborate?
Stolen technology for their engine. please elaborate?
I’m guessing they will be flying within their borders almost exclusively in the future. Stealing that complex tech is not like stealing art and plushie designs.
I previously commented on having worked for a gas turbine manufacturer but how many of you know that in the high pressure section of the compressor the blades are hollow and have cooling air forced through them, that's why there's the technology gap which China is trying to buy.
Not buy ....steal ! A country of thieves and posers. They even work to imitate being good people. But when push comes to shove selfish greed and smear campaigns against non han peoples show the true story.
The man shown at the very beginning of the video, Zhai ShanYing, is a professional scammer, not an aviation expert.
This guy at 0:37 you mean? Is it just the one C919 that is operating commercially at this moment? Or are there more than one? 🤔🤗🤩
Why does that not surprise me
This channel is a scam, funded by those anti China organizations like Falun or something else.
LMAO! just because YOU say so? I think you're fake and are part of the CCP trying to say that this trash, flying death trap is viable
Scammers are good actors you know 😂
Hyundai started with the Excel and now, 30+ years later, is a very refined manufacturer. It’s important to start.
Yeah but the difference is other Asian countries actually spent money on R&D so they COULD improve over time. How is China going to improve when they stole all the tech and probably have a minimal understanding of how it works to start.
not totally true. Hyundai were a long-established engineering company with experience of making ships and other industrial-scale machinery. It was inevitable they would make vehicles as part of Kore's economic expansion
The worst part is its unexportable. The thing is so loaded with stolen tech, it wouldn’t survive the lawsuits would crush it.
That's the least of the concerns
You must be talking about 737
@@mmaker88 I'd rather be on the unfixed 737 than a C919, an opinion I'm pretty sure I share with just about everybody.
@@hemaccabe4292 Nah… don’t try to speak for everybody. You are only entitled to your own opinion.
@@mmaker88 I think I can make reasonable guesses of the opinions of others, especially when it's so obvious and I will, because I'm free and not afraid. Nobody wants anything to do with China and the evil CCP. Everyone knows China's air, land and water is all polluted and corrupt. Everything made in China is tofu dreg garbage. China is poison. Now everyone knows. The secret is out.
I would assume that a parallel comparison can be made between Chinese military aircraft technology and advanced material sciences. Years of experience and material science are hard to overcome with brute-force dollars. Regulating the Importing of airplane parts would seem to be an apparent political card to be played. Perhaps Taiwan and its chip dominance could factor into the equation. China appears to be moving a little too fast for its own good, outgrowing its tech sector and puffing its chest out with its military in an attempt to be a world power in all things. I fear they are building a house of cards.
When it comes to their military gear, they have never designed anything themselves. They do the buy one or two, break it down copy all the parts slightly change the exterior look then mass produce them. That’s why Russia stop selling them stuff. They copy and replicate but they have no idea how to fix or maintain.
You are correct. China replicate their new jet fighter engines from the Russian Migs. It can fly but cannot fly up to the max capability. If it does, it will blow up.
Tofu nation, Tofu future.
@@williamritchie693 是的，正如你所言，也希望全球的人都是你一样的想法
@@昊牛-j3ythe whole world already does.
I’m not getting on one of those until they’ve got 20 years of consistent safety performance.
According to whom? If a plane fell every WEEK they would still cover it up.
@@xhagastyou can only hide plane crashes so much if they’re outside mainland China.
@@NotSoSerious69420 Exactly. According to whom? If Indonesia buys some el cheapo Chinese planes and some fall, THEY will tell.
The first time a Chinese Emperor saw an airplane, he commanded his citizens, slaves, servants, or whatever they were called, to make an airplane just like that. The finished product had wings, tail, and propeller. Instead of an engine, it had a box filled with honeybees to make the sound. The Chinese people have not yet comprehended such a concept as project management or division of labor.
Why would you bother to post that? What's wrong with you? Do you know?
That’s cute and funny in a way. But dang poor Chinese people who worked like slaves
@@radman1136why would you bother to ask that?
@@radman1136 What's wrong, wumao? Don't like to be reminded that you aren't and never were kings of the world except in your own, isolated kingdom? The hubris of you fools!
@@Dan_the_Great_ Anyone that was a direct servant, even a slave, to the chinese emperor probably had a better quality of life than 90% of the rest of the population. Except eunuchs, and only because their genitals got cut off.
What a shame after Chinese spy effort to steal R&D on Boeing China Airline still can't match 😂😂😂
The chinese hacker is only half cooked. How much can they steal🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The cockpit looks like they also got a bit of data from Airbus.
😂😂😂they thought stealing, copying, reverse engineering, and throwing a bunch of money at it was gonna get them an aviation industry. Good luck CCP 😒
From what I have heard from engineers is that reverse engineering from stolen items is extremely difficult if not impossible. If you have a thing that you get your hands on, you have figure out how to create the materials used, make them and then getting them to work is difficult. This is what happened here and it seems to have not worked. At least they realized the plane would not fly safely and stopped using it.
The maiden voyage of the C919 ended in a 911. It started flying as the C919 and landed as a completely different plane, an Airbus.
Has China had an original technology since the invention of gun powder?
Dozens. Then came the Manchu and the communists.
Pretty good tech for killing their own people and controlling them. Nothing else I imagine.
The kite? Just a guess.
Chopsticks are pretty reliable.
@@ilovelimpfries A spoon is more versatile and anything too hard to eat with a spoon is just too hard to manage with chopsticks. Remember, usually chopsticks PUSH food from the bowl directly into your mouth.
An objective question is: what sort of certification testing has this aircraft design been put through ? Further questions can asked about the longer term potential reliability. Would other countries accept the Chinese aircraft certification ?
The more objective question is how long before the CCP stops throwing money at this shit show. 😂
In short no, CAAC certification will be accepted by Chinese and a few select countries such as Africa and Indonesia. The new Airbus facility being built in China for aircraft storage and disassembly all clmponents will be repaired and consumed within China. Most other countries do not accept CAAC only certified parts.
It would have to be dirt cheap,, maybe the belt and road countries
@@glenstuart7823 Thanks for replying. I did not know about the Airbus facility. It seems to be an odd decision in that I would have expected it to be built within the EU.
@@DJAYPAZdo you not understand? The elitist of the West hate everyone that lives in it. They don’t care about selling out to China 🇨🇳the west especially the USA has built up the enemy that will one day possibly destroy her, its arrogance to the highest degree
With China it doesn’t matter if it works as long as it looks the part.
China usually stole and adopt western technologies. When we were setting bearings facility in India, the German equipment cost 2.5 times of Chinese. We realised from few players who used Chinese equipment revealed many things how stolen technology from Germany could not be perfected by China to leading serious quality ussues. Today, Germany outsourced many if the manufacturing to China is different thing. Unfortunately, the world going to pay price for buying cheap abd compromise safety. Disaster is bound to happen and it will be too difficult for European economies to recover back given that China has already got their power in.
Apple and Foxconn are already decoupling from China. Other companies will follow going to Vietnam, India and other south East Asian countries with lower wages. China is going to lose a lot of investors that they could potentially steal tech from in the next few years.
China don't do refunds.
A single crash / malfunction of the C919 (God forbid!) will end China's aviation dreams in seconds. Boeing and Airbus have gone through the teething troubles and have established themselves. Of course, Chinese are welcome to venture into the field!
Be interesting to see if the the C919 gets certified outside of China.
Maybe in the belt and road countries but I doubt anywhere else.
Certified in North Korea
Or SE Asia..
Funny. But we buy their cheap evs. So ironic. Made from crap and find a 5 year old chinese car still on the road
@@paulgerrard9227 From a TH-cam article I saw the other day there are fields full of EV's sitting rotting. China is a WANNABE but will only ever achieve NEVER GONNA BE.
I somehow always knew that this would be a financial risk. Not to mention that this aircraft program was copied from western built technology. Boeing and Airbus already have the bulk of the world's marketshares for a long time now. China may now have extensive issues with the production of this airplane, as of late.
I hope they give every passenger an ejection seat.
body bags ?
It's planned, but the technology to make the parachute is not yet available.
With a parachute and both seat & chut not being made in China!
@@etorepugatti9196maybe in 20 years
It wouldn't work anyway.
The only reason they could even bulld it is they forced Macdonald Douglas into teaching them to build the airframes to buy their products.
That sort of strong-arming exporters into forced technology transfer is an ongoing game. It may work with laptop computers or kitchen appliances but aircraft design is another animal altogether.
It was Airbus who built ab A320 factory in China and this "Chinese" C919 is a typical lame Chinese copy of an excellent foreign product. Just a couple of months ago I rented a Chinese copy (totally new) of a Toyota in South Africa and after 2 weeks I had to change this scap to an original Toyota. O dear, what a relief!
Without knowing the complexities of building a modern aircraft , simpleton Xi decided to build a Chinese commercial jet. All he sees right now is a “Chinese-made” aircraft that tickles is ego. He doesn’t know that 90% of its parts are made from the West, and that basically reduces China as an assembly factory instead of a maker. What’s worse is this aircraft was put together with inferior material and inferior technique that it has been reduced to a disaster waiting to happen. Personally, I would rather fly a Russian-made Aeroflot liner than simpleton Xi’s flying idea. 😢
ouch!
Let's not get carried away.
@@gaoxiaen1 , absolutely! I won’t let that China-made jet carry me away.
@@gaoxiaen1only one’s going to get carried away here are whatever poor souls are aboard when it’s 5 month warranty runs out
This has been going on for a lot longer than might be gathered from the video. The first CCP attempt at an indigenous airliner was completed in 1980.
When they steal something its hardly 'indipendantly developed"
I would expect that once these birds have been flying for 3-5 years, they’ll start falling out of the sky.
I'll raise you, I give the C919 eighteen months before it will either be grounded or have had a major aircraft malfunction! I hope I'm wrong on the second one.
@@DrTubeman You are both such optimists. I wouldn't give it a year of these birds flying internationally before some ground crew in another country grounding a plane. PLUS a crash or two.
Congratulations to China for their initial success. With billion+ people and millions of STEM graduates I am sure you can achieve your targets...!!!
8:25 What is even more relevant is that given the yen for short cuts and cheapskate copying, the contractors who eventually manufactured all these hi-tech engine components would inevitably get greedy. Fly "Made in China" lol.
Remember China, the largest manufacturer of the ball point pens, wasn’t able to manufacture the ball of the pen, until 2017. This took them 5yrs of R&D to perfect it.
Lol. I said the same thing. It took the Chinese five years to figure out how the make ball for a simple ball point pen. They need about a thousand years to make a really safe passenger jet plane.
If China can go to outer space and develop hypersonic missiles and 5G tech on its own without help from the west what is so difficult about a commercial airplane which China cannot overcome and master in due time ?
All of those is with stolen western tech.
Trust me, theft is absolutely rife with the Chinese. A lot of western companies are pulling out of China, for multiple reasons.
The Hypersonic missile tech was originally 'leaked' to China from Russia, though China has since thrown more funds into it and surpassed the Russian tech. 5G technology was developped by 3GPP, an international partnership/standards organization that China is a part of, so they certainly didn't develop 5G tech on their own, China is merely capable of producing the tech by itself now, cheaper than Western firms generally can. I think a lot of the ground work was done by what is now Sony/Erikson, but don't pin me on that.
Could they master commercial airliners in time? Yes, fully agree. Will they? That fully depends on how much it benefits the CCP after this initial PR has been spun. It may not be viable for them to throw more money at it over time, especially with all the economic woes they are now facing, I certainly don't see it being a very profitable venture for quite some time.
Critical thinking leads to innovation, which the CPC doesn't seem to appreciate or understand, regrettably for China.
CCP mentality, "what you can do I can do better", if not better, then "bigger", "faster", "flashier".
How about safer, "what do you mean, never heard of that word!" But look, our beloved supreme leader sat in the cabin, and that's how confident he is! But was the plane in flight? That's state secret!
Years back while getting a haircut I overheard a conversation about a local billboard sign for china airlines..apparently some one had defaced the ad by painting "You've seen us drive now watch us fly" this was before the pc craze
This makes me wonder how good are their jet fighter engines?
Those were russian made not chinese.
Bought from Russia, reverse engineering in china, slap a name on it, call it Chinese technology.
Garbage.
Chinese engines can only fly for short durations between extensive maintenance due to inferior metal technology
When the wings flex on an aircraft it's normal, but when they flap it's time to apply some more grease on the cracks.
Planes are not just how parts look and fit together. The parts has to hold especially metal fatigue..or else eventually it will fail and fall off the sky.
For an example just look at the recent Titan submersible tragedy.
@@xhagast Was that of Chinese manufacture too?
@@mikeneill6813 No, but it was caused by material fatigue.
The success and growth of this aircraft can be stiffled by limiting key parts..
I would not get on board that!
Well done, China 🇨🇳 keep it up
🙏🏻 prayers to the passangers that choose to ride on that deathtrap.
after 1900s, everything Chinese falls apart. Hopefully China will become a democracy one day and its people can grow, lead, and innovate again.
It isnt just a cheap list price but a global service supply chain for spare parts that must be available same day.
and they Trained mechanics and ground equipment in every country
I guess they gave up on the maintenance of the bullet trains and tracks that they bought from Japan/Korea. You don't need planes with a train network since they fill the same position. On the other side of the coin, it'll be impossible to catch Boeing/Airbus for commercial sales. By the time they catch up, they will already be at another level of sophistication.
I was thinking about that. Why buy 5000 planes when there are bullet trains EVERYWHERE?
@@xhagast
The US, Atlantic Council just did a report on what Washington might do in an event that Taiwan is invaded. One was the ban on all systems from the EU and the US for building the C-919. No domestic flights were also going to be used for Airbus and Boeing planes now operating in China. Just like what Russia is going through.
If COMAC have an after sales support performance like other typical Chinese companies then the aircraft will fly and when it needs a spare part then the plane will sit where lands forever.
Everything i bought, clippers, screwdrivers, hairdryer, burnt out, shattered, bent. Unstitched, unglued,dye ran, wrong specs from order ,etc. Nothing will make me own or use Chinese
I bet your phone is.
This is to china what the buran was to russia. It flew once. Its easy to copy. Its much harder to improve and innovate
This situation is same as Huawei phones, most important parts are made with Non-Chinese companies, china companies are simply finishing up the final assemblies.
How come those countries that make the" most important parts" do not have 5G? Since they sanctioned Huawei, China has gone into 6G now. Freaking cry about it.
Airbus has 60% of its parts coming from outside Europe. Boeing relies on global suppliers, including China, Japan, Europe for its parts. Boeing doesn't make its own jet engine. Fact is just like the car industry, commercial aircraft relies on thousands of suppliers worldwide. No one single country can manufacture all the parts for a profitable commercial aircraft. C919 has 60% from Chinese suppliers, that's bigger than Airbus. They intentionally used European and American parts in order to work toward FAA certification on some crucial systems. Commercial aircrafts can't be simply assembled like Ikea furniture, because the overall design and testing requires high tech engineering such as wind tunnels and super computers. This is partially why Japan failed to create a regional jet, even though it can produce many sophisticated components for Boeing. Don't believe me? Just Google for Airbus and Boeing parts and suppliers.
It would be more appropriate to say that Japan's SpaceJet is a nightmare as it is already declared dead. For C919, it is only the beginning and let us give it some time to prove itself before dismissing it in such a hurry.
twenty years or so....?
@@swanvictor887 As long as it should take.
It’s not just buildings the pane it’s the maintenance and logistics
By the time all the tops had taken their cut there is no much left to build a planes
How ironic, everything we use is made in China and everything they need is made in the US😂
The story though, reminds me of the difference between professionals and TH-cam DIY’ers. Information is great but experience and knowledge are key.
We trying to avoid copy parts to be installed in our planes, now there is a complete airplane made of Chinese parts?
General Electric recently bought 20 C919 for the US as all aircraft's parts are made from the same suppliers. Both Boeing and Airbus welcomed the Comac C919.
The Boeing's stock shares fell far from only a few years ago after losing 2 heavy class passenger aircraft both in one day.
Boeing's employees are on videos saying how not everyone was feeling their work was 100% safe and completely done, yet "the planes were rushed out of the door to meet sales schedules."
Against the common sense to make profit over people's interest.
China's rapid improvements in technology isn't corrupt in various ways and our sanctions are proving worthless because they've made such rapidly improving technology without the Microchips lithography machines either and even improving further choosing their own destiny before our superiority complex does anymore harm to the billions of Asian people.
De-dolllarization is popular among many countries as we're not told about it either on news.
Because our not so federal reserve is printing Trillions of Dollars more recently than the past decades combined.
Hopefully our country can return the prominence in many topics we lost recent years. Trillions of Dollars in taxes and still no high speed trains and more homelessness every month. China's people are mostly happy to share promoting everyone's benefits and the constitution of China says all families kids have free education too.
Our US recently ranked 22nd place in P.I.S.A., the world's most difficult university entrance exam results yet China and Singapore ranked 1st and 2nd places.
Mostly because Asian countries prioritize family traditions and virtues which proves best life long results as opposite of our Western countries Lamestream media Anti-Family agendas are proving worse results than people realize.
Hopefully our aircraft are better and not so outdated as aircraft experts are pointing out the C919 is far more advanced than people realize.
China's C919 is tofu dreg aviation. 😂
They made a space station all by themselves!!!!!!!
I'm shocked how this tofu-dreg got airborne without snapping in half.
You showed your IQ when you smear a serious rising power!
@@seekingtruth1315 What rising power?
I'll pass 😒. I've seen their bridges and apartments.
That China money must be real good for anyone to work with them. At least many companies are pulling out now.
People used to hear, "a BILLION potential customers" and fell on their knees begging for a chance at them. They never really had a chance at ANYTHING. They stayed for the cheap labor. Nowadays Vietnam is more competitive. And Mexico and India are VERY attractive.
@@xhagast How many of those billion people can actually afford anything offered by the west?
@@HereticalKitsune Up until recently SOME could. But prosperity under a communist regime is illusory and brief.
When will companies learn short term gain isn’t worth the long term pain when dealing with China
A whole airplane made from...
TOFU.
What? The Great Glorious Righteous Comrade Supreme Leader Xi Jinping didn’t fly in it at the launch ? How dare you Winnie the Poo !
I think it's funny that they're copying the format of Boeing plane names (B707, B727, etc. vs C919). Oh, China 😂.
Not an original thought been through most of their heads/on their desks ever.
Was wondering if anyone else was gonna pick up on that labeling method. I mean, they did it to the point where they used a foreign writing systems letter IN the planes name instead of a Chinese character.
China can't produce a reliable jet engine for their military so they try to buy Russian fighters to get the engines but even Russia wouldn't sell them engines.
It looks like a cross between an A320 & a 737.
I worked for a gas turbine manufacturer for a while and to see turbine blades being manufactured is amazing, you can't just buy this technology and experience of manufacturing.
I wish that Canadian, US & EU schools had Chinese Communist history modules that were anywhere near as accurate as this video.
I’d never, never, ever fly on a Chinese built aircraft.
whole design is a copy of Russian MS-21
No one in right mind will board this flight.
What's the point of govt subsidies when there is high operational costs & lack of certification limits international flights / haulage? Unless they want to risk another ev debacle ...
Why would China want to manufacture its own jets when it takes literally decades to master the technology? There's a reason why they are only 2 main aircraft manufacturers in the world, the barriers to entry is extremely high!
Engines are created by not God's but humans. Achieving excellence is human nature. But tremendous effort to achieve success in the field formation is necessary. Do it.
Success in about 2090 but whatever keeps them busy....
Interesting , Thank You
The main basic technologies that China can develop internally without much Western help is precision manufacturing technology in relation to cutting, measuring, and ball bearings. Unfortunately the nation is terrible in keeping institutional knowledge in terms of basic science retention within the academic field, because their top priority has been to maintain communist ideological superiority and political power control over everyone. They are going to head very quickly backwards in technology progress, because they fear any person or group in their society of gaining political power that might be used against the current government and political party. Anyone that is remotely successful within China is a target for the CCP to demand, extort, and steal wealth from. It's a sick situation when a backward 'cult' authoritarian nation is in control. The world is in a lot worse predicament when you let entities like this exist.
I think you’re being generous.
Their precision engineering is from Germany, Japan and the west.
@@laustinspeiss I somewhat agree, but people from the stone age have to start somewhere. The problem with most places in the world isn't really finding the knowledge and ability to learn and use technology. The major problem most cultures and societies fail with technology is the lack of a sustainable environment and condition to maintain the knowledge base and institutional skill within the group to maintain and progress technology.
@@fturla___156 Absolutely.
I was involved in “technology transfer” to another country for over ten years.
Happily I can say they evolved significantly over that time and beyond.
I guess china has to accept developing complete supply chains for commercial aircrafts , just like they did for space station, space exploration...
God bless our leader Xi, I pray he unites all China's soon to help those off the mainland
Considering China's difficulties with its commercial aircraft engines, one can only imagine the unreported problems China's military engines primarily the WS-10C and the WS-15 engines that power China's 2 primary fighter aircraft the J-10C and J-20 have.
When Belenko defected, he was debriefed by American intelligence. He reported that those whizbang Russian fighters have an engine life measured in hours. They often just swap in a fresh engine as a complete overhaul would be too enormously expensive.
@@bakhirun Good! How long until they run out of replacements?
Free the people
obviously you have never been to China
Chinese renters had a meeting over the light in a lift for their apartments. After the meeting they decided as they don't own the lift it is not their problem.
So basically this plane is made in America and Europe but assembled in China as a made in China brand. It’s a under powered knock off Frankenstein of a plane.
You couldn't pay me enough to fly in that thing.
"Borrow" steal more like.
Really great video.
Looks straight out of 1997
I flew in better in 1989.
It'll be just "good enough" for developing countries to use, regardless of safety standards. If we look at consumer electronics and automobiles in developing countries, they do make sales. Best thing for to do for western countries is just cut of the CCP from their markets and let them sink or swim.
you used the wrong currency symbol in your heading not $ but yuan
"Large-Aircraft Market" That plane is TINY, WTF.
It's relative. That plane is large compared to a private jet.
This is something China cannot "steal" their way through.. and duplicated "Tofu" parts is not going to work.. 😁😁
I would not fly on this airplane
C919 lol more like C019
I think its Patch C0.919 maybe more zeroes before the 9
china only build the wings and its body. other bought from others.plane msde in china i dare not board one
I mean it's OK to criticise the CCP regime but to mock the Chinese for trying to attempt to make their own Airplane , comeon bruh😅
Everybody starts from the bottom its not like they will get it in one shot.
Plus there are only 2 big players Boeing & Airbus - who are a result of decades of investment, R&D , M&A.
The Boeing 747 crashed 2 times and Boeing is still in business.
So, I dont understand the hate COMAC is getting, yes they will try, they cannot make 100% made in China plane, but over time in decades they may reduce the imported components.
Simply hating COMAC for being Chinese is not cool man
@@tiefblau2780 lol it was a joke as in Covid 19-Co19
Good luck trying to promote the C919. Not with Airbus' Tianjin assembly line producing A320neo Family planes for all the Chinese carriers.