Nordic Navy | Operational Quantities & Power Comparison | Sweden, Denmark, Norway & Finland
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In this review of the Nordic's navies, the Finnish navy (Merivoimat), the Norwegian army (Sjøforsvaret), The Swedish Navy (Svenska Marinen) and the Danish navy (Søværnet), we look at the quantities of both manpower and operational equipment. Please bear in mind that this list is not exhaustive as armed forces often do not disclose all of their kit. I've also left out some pieces that aren't really relevant on a regional level.
Before you jump into the comments to say that Iceland is also considered in the Nordics - yes I know. Iceland just doesn't have any military capability to speak of.
This is the third video of three which will focus on the different branches of the Nordic armed forces. You can find the other chapters here:
• Nordic Air Force | Ope...
• Nordic Land Forces | O...
For the individual nations equipment and manpower, you can find the links to them here:
Denmark: • Danish Armed Forces | ...
Sweden: • Swedish Armed Forces |...
Norway: • Norwegian Armed Forces...
Finland: • Finnish Defence Forces...
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00:00 - 00:13 Intro
00:13 - 00:43 Frigates
00:43 - 01:05 Corvettes
01:05 - 01:36 Submarines
01:36 - 01:55 Mine Warfare Ships
01:55 - 02:16 Patrol Ships
02:16 - 02:38 Signals & Intelligence Ships
02:38 - 03:07 Attack & Landing Craft
03:07 - 03:27 Environmental Protection Ships
03:27 - 03:50 Other Auxilliaries
03:50 - 04:27 Anti-ship battries/Launchers
04:27- 04:46 Personnel
04:46 - 05:28 Displacement
05:28 - 05:55 Power Comparison
05:55 - 06:49 Upsides
06:49 - 07:55 Downsides
07:55 - 08:56 Feedback please!
Got any feedback, or any input on what you'd like me to review next? Let me know! Thanks!
As a Brit I can say, don't mess with these guys after all they used to be Vikings and some of that mind set must still remain. So glad we are friends now, irrespective of their immense military prowess and kit.
As a Brit, I can say that the real Vikings all went to places like Britain, Ireland Iceland and Normandy.
All the wussies and landlubbers stayed home designing furniture.😂
@@davidommanney7263 Or become a civil engineer in software development and a 4th degree black belt in karate.
The finnish corvettes are basically classed as corvette for probably poltical reasons. Their displacement and capatibilities are basically frigate like.
Also Finnish ice breakers should have been mentioned as Finland brings 9 of them to NATO and is one of the top producers of them in the world.
Thanks for your input, yeah I agree! Have a great day!
and also forgetted finish mine layers
It is worth pointing out that both Sweden's and Finland's navies are extremely specialized littoral forces aimed and fighting in the archipelago that runs between the two countries across the Baltic Sea. As such it is misleading to compare them to a High Sea capable navy such as the US, UK or the other Nordic countries. However, if a conflict do occur it is doubtful than any other navy can contest the Nordic countries control over the Baltic.
Norway has recently decided to buy at least 5 new submarines (option for 6) and 5 new frigates.
Cool, who will build them?
@@MattyOfPassion german sub
The submarines is a joint Norwegian and German cooperation: CD212. This is a very much bigger submarine than Norway has currently, the Ula class. And very stealthy. It will be built by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems.
The frigates: Norway has not decided which model to buy yet (but it's urgent to decide), but we want to be in an alliance with other countries, and has sent Request for Information to several potential partners:
1. type 26 frigate from UK
2- ASWF frigate from Netherlands
3. F126 built in Germany
4. FDI frigate from France
5. Constellation class from US/Italy
6. F-110 from Spain
That is not decided yet. The defence plan is on the table in the parliment. That plan will be decided in June. Norway have although started negotiations for frigates. It will buy a "standard" ship (no special order). Norway wants to buy similar ships as another NATO country. The competotors are The new German frigate, The new british frigate and the new Dutch frigate. Rumours say the Dutch one is the favorit. .Regarding submarines Norway normally buy German ones.
Norway will also buy a new generation of a costal ship. It will be a "smaller standard ship" to cover corvets, mine sjips and orger costal functions. It could mean Norway seek to cooporate with other nations. Number of ships planned to be built is not known.
Our civil ships can also play a large role in a conflict. The Norwegian offshore industry has a huge fleet. And the Danes got a large merchant fleet. They can all become very handy in military operations.
Actually Sweden has TWO A26 subs on order, not just one...
This is the last video out of 3 for the Nordics armed forces series, you can find the other two here:
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Worth mention, Sweden's SIGINT ship Artemis was launched this year 2024. It is as modern in all aspects as a country as Sweden can produce.
For the ice breakers Finland has probably the most of the Nordic countries... Like Norway sits on the coast of the gulf stream so they have pretty warm water during winter.
These navies operate in different seas, so I don't see the value of some Nordic naval command for better cooperation. For Norway, the natural partners at sea is UK and Denmark, we operate in same sea and share maritime borders. The Danish navy have issues with no submarines, while Norway plan on getting 5 very modern subs and as well upgrade the existing subs.
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Norway have already acquired 5 P8 Poseidon and are also planning to buy the MQ-4C Triton. Norway have a huge sea area to cover
The MQ4-C Triton is a beast. Based on the Global Hawk for land the Triton is for Maritime use. That thing is expensive BUT it can loiter over 30+ hours at 55,000 feet or 17,000meters /17km which is above most radar systems and can cover massive amounts of area in those 30+ hours. It normally takes a crew of 55 personnel to operate it over a 24hr period. 1 pilot, 2 sensor controllers or 2 pilots and 1 sensor controller , not sure about Triton but those are the numbers for Global Hawk. It can also refuel in flight. Overall, they are 1 of the best unmanned systems for any Navy or Airforce that wants/needs that kind of technological advancement in their force. It has its own missile jamming capabilities and towed sonar like thing on a wire that it releases when on board system detects that a missile was fired at it, same as the F35 , the small pod is released and dragged through air and tries to jam the missile , if it fails to jam it , it will then try to break the lock, if it fails to break the lock it will put out a signature pretending it's the Triton itself or another jet and sacrifice itself a short distance behind the Triton. I know the F35s have up to 4 of these sacrifice pods and Tritons cost 142 million US dollars, which is almost as much as 2 F35a's (Air Force version). I would think the Triton also has at least 4 of those sacrifice pods. Sacrificing 1 would obviously be the last option if Jamming and breaking missile lock failed first, this tech is really special.
When it comes to naval surveillance, Norway is working on aquiring long range surveillance (don't know about planned armaments for these) drones to be operated out of Andøya airbase. So that will boost the capability we have with the new P8 planes
Yep, Norway is in a pretty unique situation with its long coast!
Norway has decided (that is all parties have publicly announced agreement to this which will be voted on in a couple of months) to add at least one, maybe two more submarines to the four already ordered.
Yes, I think all four navies will expand based off of new political pledges. Have a great day!
the Danish frigates had problems because of maintenance and a low budget which is no longer an issue, there are also plans to buy 6 new patrol ships and and a couple of new arctic frigates to replace the aging Thetis class. Also why not mention total vertical launch system chells? it´s by far the most important thing when it comes to measuring the capabilities of the vessels
The low budget is still an issue because:
A.) The New 2024 funds have not yet been allocated, which will take a great deal of time, due to inter-service squabbling as well as political wrangling.
B.) New builds and compatible systems are not just thrown together in the backyard overnight.
Expect a lapse of at least 7 years between the recent political announcement and anything appearing on the water.
So the “new” budget is all well and good, but the echoes of the past will still be felt well into the future.
Liked and subbed.
Please cover the CAT exercises in Latvia. Nordic counties are involved. "'CAT 24' tank trials under way in Latvia"
I’ll look into it. Looks interesting. Have a good day!
@@MilitaryRated Nice way to expand your stream. And very appropriate tie-in to the Baltic/Scandinavian forces response to Russia. :)
Sweden have +2 or more subs on the way .. now that all of the Nordic are Nato we can adjust our forces like never before in history.
Only thing I find really worth pointing out is about geography. The Norwegian coastline might be huge - and it is - but defending every inch of it isn't as necessary as defending every inch of British Isles for example. Then there's the Baltic Sea and the only possible enemy: it's a frigging mess and almost fully allied coastline. Finnish and Swedish navies combined with coastal defenses alone should be capable of threatening most if not all of what the potential enemy has to offer. Shallow and narrow makes the Finnish gulf a nightmare and operating without absolute air superiority makes it impossible. Considering how the advantage on air is most likely on the defender's side, there's no way in hell the aggressor could actually cause a threat. Even all that being said, I'm all for integrating the navies to be more efficient and improving them. We are not in imminent threat, at least as long as certain war is going on not too far away, but these are long term decisions and I'd say we need to improve to stay several steps ahead. Just to make the attack us too costly to even consider. We are on right track, but we can't relax.
Pax Nordica! Make this unbreakable fortress on air, land and sea. Or at least maintain the situation. Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are in danger, we have to secure the Baltic. I hope Poland and Germany will pay attention too.
Finland has had a vast fixed coastal artillery but it has already been mostly abolished. As a member in EU no enemy were expected to arrived from the coastal directional. Moving artillery and advanced missile systems will replace the fixed artillery.
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Could you do a combined baltic states series too, in the same way it would be great
Yes, I'm starting that this week. Have a great day!
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Finland does not have submarines because they are prohibited in the WW2 peace agreement. The United States took advantage of this by prohibiting Finland from building more research submarines for China after the first one had been tested to work.
That is old information. Finland is not bound by any treaty anymore except for nuclear weapons. Finland doesn't have a large navy or submarines because the threat comes from the east accross land.
With Finland, the current, small, navy is not a choise...
In 1947 Paris Peace Treaty, Finnish navy was restricted to 10 000 displacement tons, 4500 men, no submarines, no torpedo boats and no destroyers. Finnish army was restricted to 34 400 men, including borderguard and air-defence, and no missiles. Finnish airforce was restricted to 60 aircraft and no bombers. And last but not least, no nuclear weapons.
In exchange for compliance, Finland was allowed to remain as sovereign state and apply UN membership.
When Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Finland unilaterally announced the the military restrictions to be void, except the nuclear weapons. So far Great Britain, who was actually the one that demanded these, has not disputed Finnish sovereignty or UN membership, so I think we got away with it.
The corvettes Finland is building are 4300 displacement tonnes... My guess is that Finland will order more ships when those are ready, because it needs to stay over 2% military spending and conscript army is really cheap (reservists dont get paid and conscipts in training get paid small compensation instead of wage).
Finland was not "allowed" to remain a sovereign state. The Russians tried their best at conquering Finland and failed at it twice. That is just a Russian minded coping mechanism that is often repeated by ignorant people.
Thruce was signed with the Soviet Union in 1944 while Finland held defensible positions. The Russian summer offensive had failed. The final peace terms were finalized later in the Paris peace treaty of 1947, years after the war had ended. By that time Finland did not have those prohibited articles, nor did many other nations of that time. Missiles were novelties.
Regardless of the original restrictions, most of the limitations were lifted already during the cold war and many of the rest were declared null after it.
Finland relies on missiles for coastal defence. Most of the stationary coastal artillery forts are no longer in service and The coastal artillery of the late cold war utilized mobile assets.
That was then, this is now.
As the Finns are now a full NATO member, I doubt that any one of those who placed restrictions on them will raise any objections if Finland builds up its naval capacity to even a million tons, as long as they can smite Putin where it hurts...
OMG!!! All this time I tought we lost the wars and where forced to undersign pretty shitty peace deal... Thank you for correcting me with your out of ass wisdom.
@@Zarobien We did not win the war, russkie, but neither did you. Had you won, there would not be a sovereign Finnish nation left. Everywhere the Soviets won, they unilaterally occupied the defeated countries by their military forces, set up governments as they wished and imposed a Soviet communist system. I don't remember this having been the case in Finland.
There should be a special word of insult for your kind.
@@herptek Yes, as I stated in the start Finland was allowed to stay as sovereign state and apply UN membership, in exchange of complying with the restrictions, the contents of the paris treaty, witch you argued against with whole lot of bullshit.
I get it, it's hard to read and understand stuff when you are missing half of you grandparents. But atleast try before you start telling everyone you have.
King of Sweden be like Russia Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!
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What about Estonia?it is also a Nordic country!
Estonia is a Baltic nation, not a Nordic nation. 👍
@@MilitaryRated But why Estonians consider they are Nordic nation?
Denmarks problems with its navy are not limited to the recent Iver Huitfeld fiasco.
The 3 Knud Rasmussen-class patrol ships operating around Greenland are unable to use their 76mm M-85 gun. Consequently NATO considers them to be "out of service". This is not a recent development. Apparently the problem has been well known for 15 years, but rectifying the problem costs money and with a defence budget of barely over 1%, the Danes decided that it would be cheaper to use the bluff strategy.
Seriously, How many service women are young, blonde and single? No stats!!??
I can't help you with that brother, but I'm sure there are some.. :)
@@MilitaryRated Was hoping they shook that data out. Going by some of your posters the odds look good. :)
Really with such high tech weapons there should be plenty of jobs they can excel at in defense of the homelands.
For sure. Nothing as scary as a determined woman 👍😉
@@MilitaryRated How about Kit of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? I would be curious on the Nordic countries forward deploying units to those countries and the effects of economic support the Nordics have been giving these countries since 1992. Love the channel...cheers from the USA and a family with Norwegian and Swedish roots.
Yes, I will get to the Baltics next, with a possible episode of the Nordic special forces first. Thank you for the great feedback!
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Great videos,
The Nordics should form a Nordic Defense Union, combine arms, forces, commands, full Nordic integrated C6ISR massive interoperability programs
Then the Nordics could partner with UK, US, Japan, South Korea for lower cost legacy & best in class ships, boats, planes, etc.... they could then retool & simplify
Also, if the combined Nordic Navy (60k active duty, 150k reserves) over 20yrs could create 2 Super Carrier strike groups for $75bn total
every 5yrs buy & ready
1 (Spanish Juan Carlos, Italian, South Korean, Japanese) class light Carrier
1 helo carrier (from above list)
1 docking troop carrier
Every 10yrs
1 UK Queen Elizabeth carrier
so after 20yrs they could form 2 super carrier strike groups each with 1 Queen Elizabeth, 2 light carriers, 2 helo carriers, 2 troop docking carriers(helos, UAS) with 50+ F35 Bs/Cs, E3s, 20+ helos, 20+ UAS
These Nordic Carrier strike groups would be loaded with F35Cs, F35Bs, E3s, UAS, Attack, ASW, support/transport helos, Marine Regiment each
Each Carrier Strike group would have 8 subs, 8 frigs, 8 Corvettes, 4 Anti-Mine, 8 Aux ships each.
Add 2 more Surface Strike Groups & 4 light surface strike groups
the rest of the ships, boats upgrades would = $50bn over 20yrs
add training, maintenance, support, ops of another $75bn over 20yrs
personnel costs of $75bn over 20yrs
add $25bn for cost overruns, unknows
& total cost is $300bn over 20yrs so about $15bn/yr across Nordics Navy for regional super navy this is less then 1% of GDP today and would be about 0.6% in 20yrs as Nordic Combined GDP is $1.8trn today & will be 50%+ over the next 20yrs to $2.75-3 trillion combined..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)#References
which would make the Nordic Navy a true naval power Greater North Atlantic Blue water navy.
No, Nordics is not not a major power with offensive interests elsewhere, we want the military capability to defend the Nordics and capability to meet our NATO obligations, which means joint international missions. Having super carrier strike group is for major players like US. Denmark is lagging behind, their air force and navy is scaled for time before the Ukrainian conflict.
What would be great news was if Royal Danish Navy (RDN) joins the German-Norwegian program for Type 212CD submarine, if this submarine is ideal for German and Norwegian navies, it should be excellent for RDN too. Also the Danish air force is lagging behind, if shipping F-16 to Ukraine, they seriously lack fighters, also the Danish air force need an asset like P-8 Poseidon for maritime patrol and reconnaissance.
i,m from norway