YOU DEFINITELY DIDN'T KNOW THIS - KTM EXC XC-W TPI 2023 WARNING !
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ย. 2022
- I am really worried and surprised why KTM decided for 2023 to use KYMCO cylinders instead of ELKO which are of sufficient quality on EXC300 TPI, XC-W300 TPI. Can Kymco Taiwanese company really make such a high quality cylinder that can withstand the extreme condition. If something is good then why change it? It is certainly in the interest of saving a large amount of money, as soon as I bought the motorcycle I received a message from a friend, he said i got bike with kymco cylinder. I asked him what do you mean by that, he told me it wont last long, to be honest I felt bad and I thought he was joking.
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Before this happened to me, my close friend had the same thing happen on his 2022 model.His piston also broke the head, connecting rod,cylinder and bearings when we talk about the damage that occurred, we can say that it is the same like mine. And I must say that it had a completely factory engine, with an original head, and that it worked flawlessly until this happened. He always uses motorex cross power oil and rides the engine a lot better than me, I riding a lot with the gas wide open while he rides more in mid revs, but everything that happened to me happened to him anyway so its a bit strange. What do you say ? - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Does KTM want tpi bikes to fail so that everyone will switch to tbi?
@@DeadEnduro it’s planned obsolescence via satellite linkup. Ktm has the satellite lean out the ecu’s so the tpi’s blow up hence increasing the chance of TBI purchases lol
Someone need to send a lawsuit to sue the company for not doing any recall even after lot of people experiencing this problem
I'm honestly not strong enough to do it, I can't do it alone
@@TheDirtbikeRider Yes, you can!!!
I think the dirt bikes sometimes are uesd for racing purpose. If the recall policy the same as the civilian bike?
So I have a 2023 xcw 300 2 stroke wondering if I should add premix into the tank and mix it through the oil this way I can make it last longer or just change the pistons and cylinders at 40+ hours
@@chadboswick1936 not helping, just flash the extreme sw which adds more oil.
I ve sold my tei last week. Do you think there is the same problem on 4 stroke ktm/hva?
It seems there was less pbs with carbs
Put the better barrels on and Wesco pistons in, would the older parts swap in . Put the after market piston stickers on the tank and they might get the message ! Build your own crank assembly and when factory works bikes blow up yours won't ..
I'm wondering if the crank offset is too big for the height of the piston causing lateral slap of the piston in a cylinder .. I've never seen a piston shatter like glass before there must be more going on than just rubbish parts
Choices are out there!! Beta, Sherco, Rieju, TM. I own the first three, all 300 enduro's
Just out of curiosity, did you swap the piston before the 65 hour mark?
Dali mozemo stavilti elco cilinar i klip na taj motor?
We need Yamaha to build a YX 300X with a TBI soon, they have good quality, there is good demand for these bikes.
If settle for a 250x with reliable electric start
I’d
If that happened, I would immediately buy it without thinking
@@TheDirtbikeRider This prototype was already showed at the Eicma! Yamaha/Fantic is coming!
100 percent agree, All yamaha though.
Just buy a yz 250.
Classic engine, quality and without problems. YAMAHA FOR THE WIN !
@@TheDirtbikeRider i am building a yz for enduro. With Magura hymec, 18” rear, flywheel weight and low comp head. And if i have the money a smartcarb. 😆💪
Not good for enduro...
@@motogptv452and a tone more money, you skipped the boiling isshe, add fan, increase current power, c9nvert the power to DC, etc. Just dont worth, in the end is 250 so not enough grount in low rpm...
I have a 2023 wr 250f. I didn't want 450 because of heat and fuel consumption. I do full day rides in a very hot climate. But the bottom end power is lacking for Enduro. Thinking about an Athena big bore kit?
All those clips seem to show S3 heads. Detonation maybe or squish gap too small?
I was thinkig about that same. Higher compresion ratio = posibly detonation.
I wonder, if Kymco has slightly different dimensions. And people just throw pre-Kymco heads on them without checking because it's been a perfect fit for years.
My engine had a head with low compression, My friend had the same problem even he had an original KTM head and everything else was original
Yep all S3 heads and the fact it had over 100 hours on it 😂 its widely know TPIs need to be changed at 80h you notice a big difference from doing this.
Lower comp heads, which is what most off-road riders use, actually create less stress for the motor than the stock head, so the logic that these heads cause issues seems infallible at best 🤷♂️
Very interesting I'm glad I went for my reju mr Pro 300 lovely bike that is
Is there a difference between the engines of the american and european models ? Actually I wanted to get a 2023 exc in the next months...
How have the 2024s holding up did they fix the issues
What about 4stroke models? I now own 450 FE Husky... Did anyone have problems on 2022 or 2023?
If you own one i highly recommended a ecu remap to allow the bike to use more oil and not detonate due to the stupid emissions regulations
My 2020 300 EX-W TPI 6 Day is perfect after 175 hours. That is with radical Enduro riding in the deep sand in FL. Change the fuel filter every air filter change. Thanks for the tip.
Hey guys, unite your forces and contact KTM. I'd be interested in her take on the issue.
Unfortunately, I can't do it, I'm not strong enough to do it
I have just got a 2020 with a fresh engine 😅😅😅 so now I will be getting a new top end before riding it
My friend have 23 exc 250 tpi he chenged piston at 85 hours and he have around 110 and font have any problem with the bike but he dont ride much wide open
that's why i sold my 2020 ktm 300 and went to beta rr 300 top bike best thing i ever brought
This is the same guy a few years ago that said KTM is testing TPI bikes on the public before they were actually proven. He modified his bike with a new head and who knows what else. Next he will start complaining about the new TBI bikes and say they are not ready for the public as well. Stop complaining and buy a Sherco or a Beta if you have so many issues with KTM. Or don’t pin your bike in 1st gear until it explodes as expected with after market mods. Happens to the pro’s race bikes all the time.
I have a new 23 250xc. Haven't even started it. I just noticed it is leaking oil from the bottom of the case then off the skid onto the carpet (it was beside the Christmas tree) for awhile. I looks to be coming from the sealant between the cases.
@user-fz8fy4zl1c Doesn't have an oil tank. It's a premix bike (tBi).
I really think you should try the tm en300es carby. I brought a 2022 2stroke carby. And it out shines the ktm
Unfortunately, I can't buy that bike anywhere near here
I have a 22 Husky TX300i.I'll be looking at what cylinder I have but one thing I've noticed on the video is you have a high compression head? Could this be the problem? It shouldn't be but.....
Its a low comp head
I have a 19 300xc. Last year of the carb. I have a keihin 38 on it and it's awesome. Glad I have this bike.
Would you sell it to me? He would like to have such a great motorcycle.
@@TheDirtbikeRider possibly
I’ve recently bought a tm 2t with carb. These are slightly cheaper than a ktm but they are hand built Italian quality (what ktm used to make 😂) it runs kyb forks and all the good stuff. I love it, worth considering. My previous bike was 2020 te 250 2t tpi and never had any problems with 100 hrs. I think ktm has lost focus and starting to use inferior products and increasing their prices that’s why I changed from ktm based bikes and I believe they will lose a lot more customers in the future. Shame ktm
@Dirt Bike Junky I went to look at some TM's on friday. The build quality was fantastic! I love that even with the 23 models you get the option between Carb or TBI. The only issues I know of with the TM is on the fuel injected bike a few people have had wiring looms fry and need replacing. my local dealer believes it's a small circuit board that gets hot and melts and seems to happen when the low fuel light comes on.
another thing is needing a "priming switch" to maintain power to the powervalve should you stall the bike, otherwise it has to keep running a calibration cycle.
What puts me off buying a TM though is the lack of aftermarket parts available. Replacement parts are easy enough to get direct through TM but there's virtually nothing aftermarket available for the bikes, and being such a small brand it would be hard to sell the bike on or get much money for it in resale value.
also the dealer was fairly small without a demo bike and does not do test rides or demo day, there's no way i'd pay $16,800 for a bike without any experience riding it in off road terrain first.
i'd like to stick with KTM but definitely have concerns about quality issues
Hi my 2020 ktm 150 tip spooges a ton of amount what should I do?
Switched both ccps nothing helped
I think the crankcase get fuel sitting in the bottom from running rich and when you replace the sensor it just gets contaminated straight away. can clean them with injector/carb cleaner and they work again.
@@zxcvbnmnz what part should I clean can you please explain?
Are you running out of gear oil? it is possible that the right crankshaft seal is bad
I have a 2021 ktm xc-w 250 tpi. It blew up at 24 hours. Dealer said something let go in the cylinder. I don’t ride a lot obviously and I ride trail slow low rpm. Pisses me off . Chris k
Maybe you found out why it happened ? please give more info
Does it say kymco on it somewhere?
Mechanic here ... Seems to me like that piston has a manufacturing defect reminds me of the kdx piston problem someone needs to put a wiseco piston in one and run it in that cylinder to see if it wears weird ,a wiseco won't shatter like that . I am a ktm rider 18' 350 xcf 214 hrs . Solid as a rock , the suspension needs 1000$ to work well that's not the end of the world .
I remember that. I think it was just the 220 with the piston problems? I had several 200s and never had a problem (with anything)
This is just a guess, but I think the injected bikes run pretty lean air/fuel. At least the ones I’ve ridden feel lean. I just wonder if this is causing detonation?
Probably,
My GasGas Ec300 had I think 300+hours with one pistone by last owner, had almost no compression when I brought it. Bring it back alive, was thinking to buy a tpi... but then I may stick with this bulletproof oldie goldie bike.
I now have 100+ hours on the bike, still ride perfectly, never had a faulty plug or any other issues, start perfect in any conditions...just one good kick😅😅
This youtuber called Smotobum had the same problem with his ktm tpi 300. The piston exploded like 3 times.
KTM is one of those brands that make amazing machines, but I'd never buy a new model year of any of their machines. They are so bleeding edge with the engineering that they use the customers as R&D. You're better off buying slightly used older KTMs once you are sure it's a reliable model year. Many European brands are similar in this regard.
Proud of buying a 2023 beta rr300
i was going to buy the new excf250 2023/22 but after this film i think that i will wait with this purchase :D
As for the 4 stroke, I really don't know what happened to it for 2023. Maybe it stayed the same as before
just checked my 2022 300xc glad mine is elco was thinking about a 2023 but if they are kymco cylinders well no more ktms kymco is trash no way the bike is worth a damn with that junk on it my wife says thank you ktm for saving us money
I am very happy that I chose Beta 300rr racing 2023 💪.
Good choice 😊
Brate ako tako nastavis zabranit ce ti ulazak u Austriju😁,ali neka si pokrenuo pricu pa dokle se cuje, a vidim cuje se podalaleko...
Here in the Philippines, few months ago they released a chinese copy of a ktm300exc carb that 1-1 with the original.parts can be directly swapped and it has all the cnc parts .It only cost around 4k usd. 😁
Whats the name brand? Im curious? Do you have a link of product images? Its amazing btw
Actually, there are a lot of different details between the copy one and KTM, especially the engine is different, but you are right, the CNC parts are almost the same.
Great video, my next bike is a sherco…..
I had a sherco, and I think I will return to it
Definitely going with the Rieju 300.
1)Is the piston or cylinder in ktm xcw/exc 300 2023 really diferent/worse than in previous years? Are Kymco cylinders on all ktm exc/xcw 300 2023?
2)If so, which piston or cylinder is best to replace the original one in the motor and at what hours?
3)Upgrade to bigger bore?
4)How often does this failure happen?
good qustions
You have asked a very good questions, I will try to find an answers
@@TheDirtbikeRider thanks!
@@TheDirtbikeRider did you find anything? My bike blowed just up
I know of a 300 that seized up because it felt like it... 80nhrs by a gentle rider aswell.. 1500 bill
Looks like all those bikes with the grenaded pistons had after market high compression heads, true?
its low compression head, and few stock bikes blow up also...
FYI “Planned obsolescence” was a term coined by GM during the 50s and it describes periodic styling changes to make owners desire the latest products.
The theory that poorly made parts are INTENTIONALLY sold is dumb. No company WANTS to produce an inferior product and damage their reputation.
However, market conditions (C-vid etc) have affected quality across the board. Including cae parts and electronics etc.
That being said I will not buy anything Chinese if I can avoid it.
I have a 2022 and love it , had no problems either, i think this new separate oil tank is causing problems with forgetful riders that don't like to admit they caused there own problems
20vm tpi engine blow up piston is totaled… and whole top end rebuild cylinder head also totally broken.
68,000kms? Yes, 68,0000kms on my 1993 KDX250 with normal top-end work and one bottom-end split for seal and bearings.
Do you know Husqvarna has the same problem?
Very cool that you are highlighting this. I've been glued since your unfortunate failure, but what's with the goofy voice on this vid? 😜
Unfortunately, I have a very bad English language, so this voice is to help with that 😂
So what now ? Beta 300 rr? I Was thinking about 300 exc next year... but now 🤔
I think beta is a very good choice
I bought a new ktm and they could not even assemble it properly...when I called ktm USA they did not care...so no more ktms, Beta or TM...
This is a knowned issue for tpi if go full throttle full rpm for long time, the piston is to long and hit the rod... the ones who dont keep the bike to rev limiter dont have this issue.
What about the starter motor on the GOLD carbed bikes. they ran that starter design for like 10 years. Wheel bearings Stators wiring looms suspension 4t starter failures fuel pumps i mean come on and people still blindly think they are quality. Crankcase seals etc etc , industry loves them marketing dollars suspension fixs constant mechanical needs and the youtube salesman love them so much content and the fan boys keep flying the flag haha. You are right its about time people woke up and start calling the bikes what they have always been 2nd rate quality.
I think the problem could be the Kinco cylinder! me and 8 friends have tpi 2020/2021 and we all did more than 150 hours with the first piston. Good luck with the repair 😢
You and your friends have what brand of cylinder? El-ko cylinder
elko really proved to be very good, many riders change the piston on 150 hours and ride on without a problem
Do the 2023 husky 300 use the same parts as this ktm 300?
I think yes. One guy with whom i write have kymco on hsq te300 2023
@@konepe damn i was about to buy a 2023 te300 until i saw this video. Maybe i should pass on it now lol
@@ballzack154 hard to say, if it does every bike, that piston will crash
I can't confirm, but I believe that's the case
Try and find a 2017 husky te . They are a good bike and still carburetted
I think we can call that motorcycle the golden dirtbike. Because he is obviously the best
I have a 17 ktm 300 , ditch the mikuni carb for a keihin and its a great bike . With new carb its electric smooth , love it
was looking at KTM300, with the repeated grief shown here and others, coupled with KTM not fixing them as a warrantee claim, I think I see a YZ in my future. If people vote with their feet, maybe KTM will up their game
@rorge007 for sure! KTM's 30 day warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on
23xcw300 erzberg 5.2 hrs oil pump failure, complete top end is junk, dealer says no parts available for months or more. fml should have taken the 15k to the casino, would be same result.
after explaining that this bike is part of my disabled veteran therapy and how hard and fast I go off the rails without throttle therapy I should see the erz early next week instead of months. in the meantime I bought a husky xp520 chainsaw. Throttle therapy is a real thing!
I hope I dont have these kind of issues with my 2022. I wish KTM had a reputation for quality like Honda. I would buy Honda but they are anti 2 stroke.
This makes me want to consider Beta or Sherco for my next bike.
Beta
Beta for me
beta all the way, great bike for good money
@@kepslo with great stock suspension not shitty wp
@@lolekk_11 and the engine at low rpm is strong like a rock😁
Wot do use expect a 2 banger not ment to run at 100 to 1
Back in the 80s ktm was highest quality forged pistons .
I see cast pistons exploding in the cylinder . Never happened in the 80s -90s.
The came with Mahle pistons from Europe
Why ktm is using cast pistons when we all know how good is forged piston ? They try to save money or to improve engine performance ?
@@TheDirtbikeRider Save money
Hi, have you guys heard about this problem happened in the KTM 4 stroke? I was wondering if I would by the 4 stroke or tpi. I tend to buy the 4 stroke after watching your video...........
I'm pretty sure Kymco Taiwan can make a cylinder that's good, but if that is the problem, I'd put money on it coming from their Chinese factory.
It looks more like the Piston that broke up first, and I thought Vertex was Italian (maybe they have a factory in China as well...
piston will break when overheated if cylinder is rough, not piston problem.
Try TM. Best bike I ever own, and I have had some.. KX450, GasGas EC300, TM 300fi 2s and now TM EN 300 4s.
As for TM racing parts, where do you buy them?
@@TheDirtbikeRider I get the motor parts from my dealer, everything else is similar to KTM, brembo brakes, brembo clutch...
Why are people buying the most expensive bikes to get the worst bikes on the market. Just buy another brand of bike. it's that simple.
I’m not a hater or a fanboy of any brand. All I know is I know a few very good mechanics in Colorado renowned for their expertise and they’ve warned me to not step foot near a KTM.
Sold my shitty 2022 ktm and ordered a 2023 tm300en
bro i dont understand you already have the best bikes sherco, beta and then you for ktm? (tpi) the bike who give the most problems
Unfortunately, I'm learning the hard way
well it might be that if the right source will see this (in my opinion very justified video ) they will tell you , if you take the video offline , you will receive a new engine, happened to me with a issue on a Audi, which was clearly a quality issue.
Don’t take the video down in hopes for a new engine from KTM. This guy is a hero. This needs to be a KTM advertisement
@@evanwilliams6352 fully agree
I want to share my experience with my fans, there is no price for which I would remove the video
Well, some years ago I found your channel because of the video called "if you want problems buy tpi".
Sadly, you didn't seem to learn from your experiences. KTM sells not completely developed and badly tested technology to customers who pay much more for their bikes than people who chose other brands. And they get much less equipment on their bikes for that price and do the field testing for ktm. But everyone keeps buying orange, blue/yellow or red/white KTM 's. Its hilarious.
I got a 22 sherco se300 this year with 2 hours for a price that was some thousands below a ktm and has so much more equipment from factory. Plus I am convinced of the reliability of the carb engine with its great electric powervalve. I am, because a small brand like sherco can not afford the warranty costs and image problems of lot of bikes breaking down on low hours like yours. It would ruin them.
Sherco has the fuel injection 2stroke technology ready, fully developed and tested for years now. I think it will come to market with 2024 model because of emission regulations.
TM is another brand example, small company, brought out 2stroke injected - never heard of problems like tpi bikes have since 2018. Simply because small brands can't afford such a failure like KTM obviously can.
new shercos have reached the exact same price as KTM, so no, the SHERCO is not a cheaper bike price wise.. better than ktm yeh, but not less expensive by any stretch!!
I agree with you, I need going back to the carburator and sherco or beta
I'm looking at a Reiju or Sherco.
Looks like the conrod let go on the piston side and slammed the piston into pieces
I had a vertex piston on my shifter engine and the Pin backed out and carnage occurred
hey what was your shifter engine
We all know companies change stuff to build their stuff cheaper, all companies do, not just KTM. Sometimes a newer design doesn't work as expected.
Have seen major failures in cars, for example the BMW swirl flaps in diesel engines. VW/Audi with oil pumps driven by a plastic sprocket. Loads of cam chain issues in all kinds of brands.
I'm quite curious about statistics, how many bikes are out there and how many of them break. It's always the people with drama that post stuff, understandable of course.
The question is what happens next, after the problems, do they help the people in trouble ? Are they fixing the mistakes in next models.
In the end, the emission regulations are bad for bikes, in EU all bikes run lean and most of them are not open ecu's, so you can't change anything without buying aftermarket stuff.
The ktm mx bikes seem to get the option to change mappings again. We had it on the fourstrokes up to 2020, after that they were closed. Everyone with serious changes needed to buy a GET or Carrot ECU to be able to adjust mapping. People complained a lot about it and they changed it.
So, is KTM a bad company, I don't think so... They have the balls to go into newer technology, they take some risk in there. As long as they fix their problems I'm ok with that.
It's easy to point to a reliable YZ250 but in the end I can't get that bike with a registration since it's not compliant to emission rules.
I'm not defending ktm but is this the bike you have 100 hrs. on? I watch a couple videos where you had it wide open up long hills. 100 hrs is quite long time on a motor with high compression head and running it hard for any brand motorcycle. I found on tpi's some oils like Motorex leave the tip of the exhaust extremely dry even with just easy riding while Red Line ( ester based oil) leaves the tip of the silencer damp with oil. with the extrema high rpm's you turn a ester based oil like Red Line or Maxima K2 may help the tpi to have better lubrication and reduce the temperature of the head and piston. easter based oils have extremely high film strengths also.
The Piston/Clinder has 150 Hours on i 😂 ….
I believe that with that kind of driving this man will blow up a tank.
In his other video he said the engine had 118 hours using motorex. The cylinder head is a low compression head
I agree that holding the bike wide open while climbing steep sandy hills is hard on the motor and that the piston should be changed earlier
It is alarming that other riders are reporting similar damage with less hours
I wish we could get some reports on people running oils like Red Line, Motul, Maxima K2 the ester based oils that have really high film strengths. If they are having the same issue or less issues.
I used a low compression head, which should create less pressure on the piston, which would extend its life. My friends and I have been driving like this for 5 years and we change the pistons every 150 hours and this never happened. Of course, we changed the pistons earlier if we thought it was necessary. At 105 hours, I performed a visual check and the piston looked very well, also the compression did not change. I agree 150 hours is a lot, but so far this has not happened and we have here 10 bikes in my riding team. But why does this only happen on 2022 and 2023 bikes?
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Exactly why I ditched ktm and went sherco. Bye bye orange
I inspect my piston's before every competition. My hillclimb bike won't have 30 minutes on it between top end inspections.
You *really think* the KWB is better than WhitePower suspension? That has not been MY experience!
I'll buy a Yamaha YZ250 or YZ250X and use the money I saved instead of buying a KTM for purchase of upgrades.
it is proven that Quality is getting worse and price up. But what brand you can pick if you want a good 2 stroke? it is not so often but it happens for sure. the second hand value of TPI from 18 are worth flippers money change. This is why I switched to 4stroke now after more than a decade of 2stroke. I can't get this hypocrisy anymore, first 2stroke were cheaper to get along for 500-700hours back in the days, now? used to have a workshop and I tell you the maintenance of TPI up are just insane...a 350 is a better bargain...or the 300sherco is great too. These upgrades and stuff on the 2strokes just get so much costs that it makes you sick. Still a good yz250x is a reaper! Cheap and easy to fix and strong as it can get...the pistons are made in China for KTM as for the cylinder....but the price is still like a vertex while it is not anymore....
My engine blew up today at 67 hours. Husqvarna 300 TPI 2023
My engine broke after second piston 140 hours
Nowadays it is all about making as much profit as possible, quality is no longer important
never has been for that company
Well can’t really count that motor melt down its not factory it has a high compression S3 head. 🤷♂️
I'm switching to Sherco they actually care for there customers
I swear by the radiator reservoir.
Me here up in the air between 300xcw and a 300rr.....
Cheap piston, I'm thinking the piston broke at the wrist pin. I'm thinking to change the piston to a forge piston .
I'm postponing my KTM 300xc purchase because of this piston problem. Hard to pay 12,000.00 , 900.00 over retail for this bike having problems like this.
Maybe in 2024 KTM will fit it.
What piston do you recommended?
@@kaarlomikkola1696 ..Wisco
Never by a the first bike of a new line. Always by the last bike of the old line before the new get announced.
This is the last TPI model.....
We have the same problem with the piston. It‘s all broken inside.
Can i get your instagram
Може, він і зараз надійний,але неякісні деталі призводять до серйозних фінансових витрат і неприємних вражень від такої " надійності ". Краще мати справу з "китайцем "- ремонт значно дешевше!
I love the Japanese ❤
This does not happen on them, they have better quality
I bought one and changed the computer and now it want run😊
Which ecu did you buy?
That looks like small end bearing failure. The bearing is too loose and shaking the bearing apart. KTM needs to pay.
Totally agree with the small end failure. Looks like lubrication to me. If I had one of these bikes I would try a carburettor and premix on it and see if it still ate the piston, to see if it was a lubrication problem
Maybe KTM is trying to pull the classic move of large corporations? First acquire biggest market share possible, cripple competition, then start raising prices and dropping quality? Which brand is better alternative? Sherco? TM? Beta also had some issues i heard.
Sherco
Never a truer statement made. The best KTM's were around 5 years ago. The biggest problem are the guys that have gone all in on orange and with $1000's of dollars of hard part cloths will stick up for this crap even if their bike detonates. Right now is not a good time to buy anything with all the supply line issues.
Rieju MR my friend. It is an old engine, but correctly upgraded. This year Francesc moret with a RIEJU has won the spanish hard enduro Championship. This engine is 100% reliable (just the electric start needs to be imporved)
Sherco
Or were there some problems in supply chain? Worse quality aluminum for pistons?
Every year the bikes are more expensive while they use cheaper parts.
What do you think when it will end and if there is any. KTM SOON WILL BE $15.000