70hrs already on my 24 te 300. My only real issue is the fuel range / tank. You’re not wrong. We regularly do afternoon rides if 50-60 miles. Bike is empty between 40-50. I’ve been stuck carrying gas most of the time. My 2nd little gripe is the kick stand. It works fine, but the stupid spring is right where you want to put your toe to deploy it. Love the fueling / mapping (besides excessive fuel use) haven’t fouled a plug ever. Love the chassis / suspension.
I just stumbled across your channel and loving the single trail content without music and your commentary is spot on .A normal bloke riding with no dribble
Like thee review, the TPI had the same prob with getting to the spark plug, trick is to just lift the tank up and to the side to get to the plug, you don't need to take it off.
In order to lift the take any amount, don't you need to remove the bolt under the seat? Meaning you're still removing the same number of bolts, just not disconnecting fuel line?
Completely agree with you on the switches and rad cap. I also hate that they didn't include the map switch and its in the mild map by default. Also, I'm sure KTM's cost on a fan is like $40. The harness is right there. Add a fan on your XCW model!
I have this bike too, but I don’t have many hours on it. From everything I’ve learned and experienced so far, I agree with all your points. Great bike but a few things are real dumb.
We need to get you a wireless mic for the garage. It's nice to see you are really stretching to find the top 5 things because that means that is one amazing bike, which we already know it is... Best bike I've ever owned by far. The 2024 XCW is the absolute best two stroke enduro bike ever built by any company, period.
I really really want the 24 TBI XCW but I really love the fact that my Beta is still carburated and I can change the plug on the fly without taking everything out. Also the seat comes off with the push of a button !!!
I hear ya, but honestly they are far enough along now in the efi stages that I don’t worry anymore. First couple years with the tpi I did. But I had no issues with my tpi, and so far the tbi has ran great!
Mine started "running out of gas" any time I had less than 1/3 tank. Then it got worse and sometimes going over a rise it would quit, or anytime I hit a whoop section it dies right at the other side. I think it's the fuel pump and I finally ordered one in at $300. Picking it up this weekend. Pulled my hair out for months, but fuel pressure test shows a slight drop in pressure under throttle. 2023 300XC tbi. 72 hours.
@@joshawaburns1 I think some of them just came with a bad fuel pump from the factory. Fuel sloshing around is not the issue, I ride pretty much nowhere smooth lol. Lots of others are having the same issue as well. Very untrustworthy at the track when a stall on a jump face could really mess up your day. I raced that bike last weekend and filling the tank absolutely full between motos kept it from stalling. No time to replace and test new fuel pump, setting up new bike and cutting singletrack all March and April.
I have a ‘24 300xc. For the fuel tank, there are big sized replacements you can get and I think there are new fuel pick ups or mods on the way to get to the lower parts of the tank. The only thing that really annoyed me about my stock bike was the hand guards. Have replaced those with the KTM factory wrap around guards. Much better.
I have a 2023 150 xcw, and I wouldn't trade it even up for a 2024. Another issue is the 24/25 do not have the heavier black plastic supports in the center of the flag hand guards where the add on bar end guards mount. And having a 150, 23 still has the backup kick starter.
Just got my first ktm ever ( had huskys) . Immediate things noticed. F*** the start/kill switch.. It's tall..like to tall for me . Short turn radius. Choke is hard to access(myn doesnt even work). Fuel is another..but the suspension is AMAZING
Haha I hear you on the start/stop switch! Yes the pds is just a smidge higher then the linkage huskys. But I run about 115 for sag and bout the same as my old bike now. Also have the lower seat.
As far as the plug failing goes, if you change to the Iridium type, things will be much better. Example- BR8EIS. If your bike runs a little on the richer side at 0-1/8 throttle. Go to the BR7EIS.
Watched a video on the new 2025 husky the other day and surprise surprise his big complaint was the fuel pick up and lack of range, I myself own a 98 husky wr360 and that far back with an 11ltr tank my complaint was that the lack of fuel range, the last ltr in the tank you couldnt access and having to remove the seat and tank to change a spark plug. So if KTM are persisting with these design flaws for 2025 and have been lowering the range over the last 25yrs or so, I cant see them listening or correcting this anytime soon
I've seen forum posts about people trying this and all of them said that the pump is not strong enough to bring the fuel up through the longer tube unfortunately.
Overall a fantastic bike out of the crate. Like ALL new bikes the rider needs to tune to their specific needs . Im a 58 y/o C+ rider on technical slow terrain. The super smooth and torquey TBI 300 is just perfect for me . I just added a 49T rear sprocket and some softer springs and im just loving the versatility of the 300 W
KTM also removed the manual powervalve adjuster down near the water pump cover on the right side of the motor. And the tuneability of adjusting when your powerband hits is extremely important to me. And my 24’ Beta does NOT have this problem… I’m currently running the red softest powervalve spring with no inner spring and man my Beta just hits like a FREIGHT TRAIN!!!
Yes spark plug swaps suck, also went back to BR7ES plug, fuel pump and pick up are at the upper rear of the tank sitting in a well so you have to slosh the fuel around to get it up to the pump well. Taco moto has come out with an adapter that couples to the pump and extends the pick up down to the lowest point in the tank. I grew to hate the multi start stop switch and quickly went back to the separate early switches, much more positive feel with thicker winter riding gloves and no more accidentally bumping the starter while trying to shut it down.
I’m surprised about the fouled plug, my carb bike is jetted as good as it can get and I never foul plugs. TBI should be perfect, maybe too lean and you burn one up if anything.
Enduro Hog sells clutch and ignition cover guards. For the type of riding you are doing you will not have to worry about broken covers or scratches. My 23 300xc has the same fuel tank. Only way to change the spark plug is to pull the seat and tank. Look into Two Strock Performance. They have maps that improve your bikes fuel range and performance. The Acerbis larger fuel tank is 3.2 gallons. Fit and finish is way superior to the IMS brand tank.
Even if the stator cover was alum, no paint, it would still scratch up. The radiator cap is dumb. The start/stop switch is used a lot and should be top notch quality. The spark plug do fail without warning , so being hard to change in the field is a problem. The fuel pump not reaching to the bottom of the tank is so dumb that I can't believe KTM's designer couldn't do better, it's laughable.
I was not a fan of all the silver on the GasGas at first… 90 hours of hard enduro later and I think GasGas was really smart by avoiding the fancy black/bronze finishes that KTM and Husky used on the engine, silencer, and wheels.
@@ThrottleNectarIn some places in Europe they're actually advertised as the more "hard enduro" focused of the three bikes. Softer forks, fully aluminum subframe, beefy aluminum cases, less grabby front brake, slightly lower seat...etc. Obviously PDS on the KTM has some advantages on really big obstacles/logs, but most "hard enduro" isn't that.
I have you had any issues with the motor yet? I hear that they have had issues with the Piston hitting the crank and destroying the motor. I have a 17250xc that has been bullet proof
Just found out KTM is owned by Baja 300 Austrian technicians laid off what the heck is going on? We are told by actual KTM technician they would not touch a KTM anymore with your 10-ft pole KTMs 300 are blowing cylinders off or 2024 Husqvarna was leaking oil so bad out of the shift seal they replaced it twice now. Is this true? Please tell what you know about this
I have the same bike and I couldn't agree more with the last 2 things you talked about. Thankfully I haven't to change a plug yet. But my first thought was why would they do that? I've been able to easily change the plug on every bike I've ever owned....until now. I also found out about the fuel thing after I bought the bike. Every post about it I've seen just says "well ride harder." I ride pretty fast so it hasn't been an issue, but a lot of people don't ride like that. It just seems like a stupid answer to a stupid issue. Big fail on KTM for that one.
In KTM's brilliance they expect you to slosh the gas around enough to get it up to the fuel pump intake and it's little puddle of fuel. Just brilliant! The high pressure they are running in the cooling systems puts a lot of stress on the radiator cap and the thin flimsy flanges they put on most of their radiators. I guess the new cap is a way of dealing with that extra pressure. I found a better quality Chinese radiator works better. Of course they are making a lot of sh......er..I mean stuff in China by CF Moto anyway. The little problems they are having with bankruptcy is the biggest reason to think about your brand decision. I'm riding KTM so not bad mouthing them. Nothing is what it used to be.
Currently looking at buying this bike. Fuel pickup is only thing that worries me. Must be a fix out there somewhere...especially in the pro race level as they have to know about this.
Dude the start top switch is #1, hitting the start when bike running = no good. It should never happen they shouldn't have changed it. thats the major pissoff.
It absolutely blows my mind how many snowflakes are butt hurt that you have to pull the tank off to change a spark plug. Literally 2 min job with my trail tools. Find a new hobby. Imo the fuel pickup is the only solid issue with the bike. Rest assured the aftermarket will have a solution before summer.
With tools in hand, probably even less time to get to the sparkplug. I think its two bolts total and the fuel line disconnect. Only real issue would be keeping the fuel line out of the dirt on a trail, but other than that not too bad.
Why make excuses for shitty engineering. One of the best things about KTM is how easy they are to work on, they are heading backwards in this area. If no one complains what incentive do they have to do better.
70hrs already on my 24 te 300. My only real issue is the fuel range / tank. You’re not wrong. We regularly do afternoon rides if 50-60 miles. Bike is empty between 40-50. I’ve been stuck carrying gas most of the time. My 2nd little gripe is the kick stand. It works fine, but the stupid spring is right where you want to put your toe to deploy it.
Love the fueling / mapping (besides excessive fuel use) haven’t fouled a plug ever. Love the chassis / suspension.
Awesome! Yeah man honestly agree with everything you’re saying !
Do you know as a comparison the mileage of the 350 four stroke compared to this?
I just stumbled across your channel and loving the single trail content without music and your commentary is spot on .A normal bloke riding with no dribble
Hey thanks alot! Appreciate it!
Like thee review, the TPI had the same prob with getting to the spark plug, trick is to just lift the tank up and to the side to get to the plug, you don't need to take it off.
Okay thanks I’ll have to try that!
In order to lift the take any amount, don't you need to remove the bolt under the seat? Meaning you're still removing the same number of bolts, just not disconnecting fuel line?
Completely agree with you on the switches and rad cap. I also hate that they didn't include the map switch and its in the mild map by default. Also, I'm sure KTM's cost on a fan is like $40. The harness is right there. Add a fan on your XCW model!
Yeah could definitely included that!
Can you change the map without getting a switch?
I thought XCWs were rad by default, and if you just unplug the connector loop under the tank, it went to mild.
@@hig4s they do come in aggresive map from factory, wire unplug was old school way to get mild map,not the case anymore.
I have this bike too, but I don’t have many hours on it. From everything I’ve learned and experienced so far, I agree with all your points. Great bike but a few things are real dumb.
Yeah not sure what they were thinkin on a few simple items haha
We need to get you a wireless mic for the garage.
It's nice to see you are really stretching to find the top 5 things because that means that is one amazing bike, which we already know it is... Best bike I've ever owned by far. The 2024 XCW is the absolute best two stroke enduro bike ever built by any company, period.
Haha yeah honestly the bike performance aspect I have next to no complaints about! Just some more user friendly issues haha! And workin on it!
I'll have to agree 100% I splurged for hard enduro and 0 complaints
I really really want the 24 TBI XCW but I really love the fact that my Beta is still carburated and I can change the plug on the fly without taking everything out. Also the seat comes off with the push of a button !!!
I hear ya, but honestly they are far enough along now in the efi stages that I don’t worry anymore. First couple years with the tpi I did. But I had no issues with my tpi, and so far the tbi has ran great!
Mine started "running out of gas" any time I had less than 1/3 tank. Then it got worse and sometimes going over a rise it would quit, or anytime I hit a whoop section it dies right at the other side. I think it's the fuel pump and I finally ordered one in at $300. Picking it up this weekend. Pulled my hair out for months, but fuel pressure test shows a slight drop in pressure under throttle. 2023 300XC tbi. 72 hours.
Be interesting to see how that goes for you! Yeah definitely bit of a bummer in that department
I have 0 issue and can run my tank dry. I'm not riding logging roads though. So fuel is sloshing around.
@@joshawaburns1 I think some of them just came with a bad fuel pump from the factory. Fuel sloshing around is not the issue, I ride pretty much nowhere smooth lol. Lots of others are having the same issue as well. Very untrustworthy at the track when a stall on a jump face could really mess up your day. I raced that bike last weekend and filling the tank absolutely full between motos kept it from stalling. No time to replace and test new fuel pump, setting up new bike and cutting singletrack all March and April.
Hmmm maybe will hang on to my 2022 XC 300 , thing has been an awesome bike~
They are great bikes to!
I have a ‘24 300xc. For the fuel tank, there are big sized replacements you can get and I think there are new fuel pick ups or mods on the way to get to the lower parts of the tank. The only thing that really annoyed me about my stock bike was the hand guards. Have replaced those with the KTM factory wrap around guards. Much better.
Oh, the rad cover. God damn, I can’t get it off. Hope someone makes a replacement for that.
I have a 2023 150 xcw, and I wouldn't trade it even up for a 2024. Another issue is the 24/25 do not have the heavier black plastic supports in the center of the flag hand guards where the add on bar end guards mount. And having a 150, 23 still has the backup kick starter.
Just got my first ktm ever ( had huskys) . Immediate things noticed. F*** the start/kill switch.. It's tall..like to tall for me . Short turn radius. Choke is hard to access(myn doesnt even work). Fuel is another..but the suspension is AMAZING
Haha I hear you on the start/stop switch! Yes the pds is just a smidge higher then the linkage huskys. But I run about 115 for sag and bout the same as my old bike now. Also have the lower seat.
As far as the plug failing goes, if you change to the Iridium type, things will be much better. Example- BR8EIS. If your bike runs a little on the richer side at 0-1/8 throttle. Go to the BR7EIS.
Hey thanks for the info! If I start having issues I’ll definitely look into that, so far I’ve been good tho!
I bought one and was so disappointed I couldn’t even start it. Just sold it without even riding it.
Watched a video on the new 2025 husky the other day and surprise surprise his big complaint was the fuel pick up and lack of range, I myself own a 98 husky wr360 and that far back with an 11ltr tank my complaint was that the lack of fuel range, the last ltr in the tank you couldnt access and having to remove the seat and tank to change a spark plug.
So if KTM are persisting with these design flaws for 2025 and have been lowering the range over the last 25yrs or so, I cant see them listening or correcting this anytime soon
Ya, I wonder if you can add length to the fuel pump hose and get the draw from the very bottom of tank.
IMS tried it with their larger capacity fuel tank. Everyone that bought it said it did not work. So IMS stopped selling the extended pickup.
Yeah I’m not sure
I've seen forum posts about people trying this and all of them said that the pump is not strong enough to bring the fuel up through the longer tube unfortunately.
Great video pal. Keep em coming
Thanks!
Overall a fantastic bike out of the crate. Like ALL new bikes the rider needs to tune to their specific needs . Im a 58 y/o C+ rider on technical slow terrain. The super smooth and torquey TBI 300 is just perfect for me . I just added a 49T rear sprocket and some softer springs and im just loving the versatility of the 300 W
Heck yeah it’s an awesome bike!
You can change plug without removing anything
KTM also removed the manual powervalve adjuster down near the water pump cover on the right side of the motor. And the tuneability of adjusting when your powerband hits is extremely important to me. And my 24’ Beta does NOT have this problem… I’m currently running the red softest powervalve spring with no inner spring and man my Beta just hits like a FREIGHT TRAIN!!!
Yes spark plug swaps suck, also went back to BR7ES plug, fuel pump and pick up are at the upper rear of the tank sitting in a well so you have to slosh the fuel around to get it up to the pump well. Taco moto has come out with an adapter that couples to the pump and extends the pick up down to the lowest point in the tank. I grew to hate the multi start stop switch and quickly went back to the separate early switches, much more positive feel with thicker winter riding gloves and no more accidentally bumping the starter while trying to shut it down.
I’m surprised about the fouled plug, my carb bike is jetted as good as it can get and I never foul plugs. TBI should be perfect, maybe too lean and you burn one up if anything.
I’ve read that the fuel pick up inside the tank is pretty high, compared to where the bottom of the tank is
Yup I’m thinkin that to be true !
@@ThrottleNectar I’m thinking I’m going to buy one this spring for my son a 2024
I have a 23 250 xcw. I hate nothing about it. It’s amazing. The only thing I don’t love is the seat height because I’m short
Mine was running great now it fouls plugs every time I try to warm it up. 20 hrs.
Interesting. That’s not convenient. Maybe the ecu needs a reflash
Enduro Hog sells clutch and ignition cover guards. For the type of riding you are doing you will not have to worry about broken covers or scratches. My 23 300xc has the same fuel tank. Only way to change the spark plug is to pull the seat and tank. Look into Two Strock Performance. They have maps that improve your bikes fuel range and performance. The Acerbis larger fuel tank is 3.2 gallons. Fit and finish is way superior to the IMS brand tank.
Thanks appreciate the feedback 🤘🏽
I had that style radiator cap on my 2018 Beta. Hated it with a passion. Now Beta has gone back to normal caps and KTM has the hate cap.
Haha yeah like wtf
Even if the stator cover was alum, no paint, it would still scratch up.
The radiator cap is dumb.
The start/stop switch is used a lot and should be top notch quality.
The spark plug do fail without warning , so being hard to change in the field is a problem.
The fuel pump not reaching to the bottom of the tank is so dumb that I can't believe KTM's designer couldn't do better, it's laughable.
I was not a fan of all the silver on the GasGas at first… 90 hours of hard enduro later and I think GasGas was really smart by avoiding the fancy black/bronze finishes that KTM and Husky used on the engine, silencer, and wheels.
Yeah maybe they were onto something lol!
@@ThrottleNectarIn some places in Europe they're actually advertised as the more "hard enduro" focused of the three bikes. Softer forks, fully aluminum subframe, beefy aluminum cases, less grabby front brake, slightly lower seat...etc.
Obviously PDS on the KTM has some advantages on really big obstacles/logs, but most "hard enduro" isn't that.
@@DmitriyAdv They say the gasgas is heavier. Do you feel this increase in weight?
@@O.valente24 not at all. It’s almost impossible to feel a few lbs spread around on the bike
I have you had any issues with the motor yet? I hear that they have had issues with the Piston hitting the crank and destroying the motor. I have a 17250xc that has been bullet proof
Nope I have 32 hrs on it and so far haven’t had any issues ! Runs really good !
That's a wives tale started by internet kooks trying to get more subscribers. Fake news.
One of the other things I hate on my 24 is the kickstand! From my experience they suck compared to the tpi!
Interesting! So far I haven’t had any complaints about it, what don’t you like?
Just found out KTM is owned by Baja 300 Austrian technicians laid off what the heck is going on? We are told by actual KTM technician they would not touch a KTM anymore with your 10-ft pole KTMs 300 are blowing cylinders off or 2024 Husqvarna was leaking oil so bad out of the shift seal they replaced it twice now. Is this true? Please tell what you know about this
I will not buy another if that's the case. And I love the brand.
Nice video! A full oil tank is enough for how many fuel tanks?
about 2-3 is safe range, not sure about on the 300 but i have the 150 and it would easily go 3 full tanks and you wouldn’t be in danger yet.
My 300 Xc is flat out the best out of the box bike I ever had period no complaints here
Great to hear!
I have the same bike and I couldn't agree more with the last 2 things you talked about. Thankfully I haven't to change a plug yet. But my first thought was why would they do that? I've been able to easily change the plug on every bike I've ever owned....until now. I also found out about the fuel thing after I bought the bike. Every post about it I've seen just says "well ride harder." I ride pretty fast so it hasn't been an issue, but a lot of people don't ride like that. It just seems like a stupid answer to a stupid issue. Big fail on KTM for that one.
I’m not sure to be honest! Maybe that’s something they kinda overlooked.
In KTM's brilliance they expect you to slosh the gas around enough to get it up to the fuel pump intake and it's little puddle of fuel. Just brilliant! The high pressure they are running in the cooling systems puts a lot of stress on the radiator cap and the thin flimsy flanges they put on most of their radiators. I guess the new cap is a way of dealing with that extra pressure. I found a better quality Chinese radiator works better. Of course they are making a lot of sh......er..I mean stuff in China by CF Moto anyway. The little problems they are having with bankruptcy is the biggest reason to think about your brand decision. I'm riding KTM so not bad mouthing them. Nothing is what it used to be.
I’m not sure how many people use the off bottom to kill the motor…. I know I don’t, I just stall the bike.
Agree!
Love the content but that intro is way too long. Just makes me want to either skip past it or click out of the video.
Currently looking at buying this bike. Fuel pickup is only thing that worries me. Must be a fix out there somewhere...especially in the pro race level as they have to know about this.
It's not an issue. I ride extra long rides and I get about 65 to 68 miles and have never had a fuel pick up issue nor has my buddies I ride with.
I’m sure if there is a big issue, there will be some sort of fix or modification someone could do
Taco moto are about to release something that will fix the fuel pickup issue. They are very close Morgan from Highland Cycles said
I run my tank fairly empty
Dude the start top switch is #1, hitting the start when bike running = no good. It should never happen they shouldn't have changed it. thats the major pissoff.
Haha I hear ya, don’t fix what’s not broken!
Removing the rad cap takes 1 second when you know how and who rides a new enduro bike without cases protection. I
sounds like a lot of crying buy bigger tank the rest is no problem 35 hours on mine ride Tillamook forest single track still the original plug
TBH you discouraged me from getting this bike....
I’m going beta
Should have got a Beta instead 😂
Haha yeah not quite ready for that yet lol
Should of bought a beta😂
Do you like the fact that they are Chinese bikes 😂
Haha oh love it
It absolutely blows my mind how many snowflakes are butt hurt that you have to pull the tank off to change a spark plug. Literally 2 min job with my trail tools. Find a new hobby. Imo the fuel pickup is the only solid issue with the bike. Rest assured the aftermarket will have a solution before summer.
Hahaha those damn snowflakes
With tools in hand, probably even less time to get to the sparkplug. I think its two bolts total and the fuel line disconnect. Only real issue would be keeping the fuel line out of the dirt on a trail, but other than that not too bad.
Why make excuses for shitty engineering. One of the best things about KTM is how easy they are to work on, they are heading backwards in this area. If no one complains what incentive do they have to do better.
This is just click bate youre complaining about petty shit