Calculating The Stagecoach Driver's Boot | Engels Coach Shop
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- The driver's 'boot is where the stagecoach driver places his feet while driving the teams. Since we just have a skeleton of the original boot, we have to calculate the style and portion from what remains. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles often involves working with very little.
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Aside from the borax wagon series which is in a class of its own, this mud wagon series is the most interesting because of all the mystery and puzzle solving. Very enjoyable.
It's really fascinating to see you put your OCD aside to keep with the spirit of this coach. The owners have a masterpiece coming back to them. Have a blessed weekend.
I love hearing how you think through rebuilding a wagon based on literal scraps and hints
I have been watching your channel for many years. I would say the last few months with all your shop and "real life" videos have been some of the best.
Good use of Concrete Aided Design (CAD). Thanks for taking us along.
The original graph paper.
Easily could have been an hour! Very entertaining! Love watching it all comes together.
Here we go again, I didn't see this coming but I will welcome the adventure you are taking us on . Thanks for showing us what else is still ahead. This is a treasure of history in refabricating and repairs. Keep up the great videos and sharing with us Dave. It's awesome. Fred.
Love watching and learning. Still learning at 61
The way you go about figuring out what goes where and how it's attached is just amazing to me. I've enjoyed your videos and always look forward to the next one. Stay safe Dave.
Dave needs some Quick Grip one handed bar clamps. I use those the temporarily hold stuff until I can get better clamps onto it. So anyone that wants to get him a Christmas gift get him some of those. I bet he'd like Bessey Supergrips too. But they're spendy. He could make those himself.
Dave, You know how to unscramble eggs! John, Michigan
We sure enjoy watching you puzzle out this project. Thanks so much.
*_Sir! You are mesmerizing me by your ability to erecting the skeleton of the ghost into a beauty functional thing again. Thank you sir._*
You know Mr. Engels, watching all this makes me miss my grandmother. As this was often the kind of stuff she and I would talk about, due to pictures of her and my grand father sitting in an old horse drawn buggy. Course by the time they got married, the horse drawn wagons was a thing of the past so it was mostly stuff they did just to have fun and be romantic with each other.
I am late today Dave. I was mowing grass. It is much better than shoveling snow!!
Way to make a great Friday AWESOME!!!
Aah … yes, the ‘fun’ of framing forensics🙂. At least you only have one radius to determine! Another good video with lessons for new players, including why we hold on to worked pieces that cannot be used for the current task. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿!
All that thinking and pondering made my head hurt.
It is good you are hoarder and have the old felloes as a template to work this one out.
Your box of firewood is coming on nicely, and looking great.
It's really interesting to watch you work out the jigsaw puzzle from photos people sent you, sort of a community effort
Another amazing portion figured out? Coming along nicely!
Take care and stay safe! God bless!✝️🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I sit here and smile listening to you investigation, and think to my self we should call you Sherlock Engels . For all the detective work you are doing on this project. Well done Sir my compliments.
Mr. Engels,
You truly amaze me. Your videos are never long enough, you always leave me wanting more. Keep up the great content.👍
Love watching your mind work.
Glad to see you make full use of CAD. That has nothing to do with computers--it stands for CHALK AIDED DESIGN.
Great series--well done.
In the game of "Clue"s you are king!
I have deeply enjoyed seeing you built this mud wagon.......I wouldn't have an idea where I would begin seeing those old metal frame work and old boards. My respects, Sir.
The work that you are putting into the research, testing and design of this mud wagon shows your knowledge, skills and abilities to their fullest. Thank you for sharing this with us.
I m amazed you have any hair left after all the head scratching this project is taking. Thanks for another engrossing video.
This project amazes me more and more.
Me too. Initially, I assumed that it was a boring pile of old junk, not worth any attention, nor any attempt at resurrection.
I have changed 180 degrees!
Much appreciated, Mr. and Mrs. Engle.
To be honest I never asked the question… why do cowboy boots have heals? But now I know! And the saying “digging in your heals”… makes sense too! Thanks Dave your history lessons have many layers! You’re just a Shrek of all trades!😁✌🏻❤️🇺🇸
@@royreynolds108 If your foot is that far in a stirrup, your asking to get hung up when you get thrown.
Always put only the ball of your foot in the stirrup when riding, otherwise you are gonna get dragged and a broken leg if you get thrown off.
"heels".
If you have ever rode oxbow stirrups you put your feet in up to the heel. Bronc saddles are all like that
@@allanlavallee7171 What?
I don't know anything about saddles or horses, but the internet is a wonderful thing. The heel is there to keep the boot from sliding too far forward, but during normal riding your weight should be on the balls of your feet. In Bronk riding the boot is up to the heel. So everyone is right. I love learning new things.
I love your channel. Whould love to see more of the manure spreader you took apart.
Beautiful work Dave. Really nice seeing and hearing your thinking process. When that offset hole lined up so nicely... your work is validated so well. thanks!
Dave, this has been a hair puller, I've look at dozens of mud wagon photos. The way it looks to me is that the wagon you are working on is a one of a kind. There are not many three seat mud wagons out there and when you do find one the iron work is all different or in a different place. Good luck is all I can say at this point. Looking forward to the next video.
Sir I thank you for another awesome video. May GOD bless you and yours.
It's great that you take us on your forensic travels , great process , great video 👍🇬🇧
Really enjoy your sharing how you work out these problems.
Wow, you wouldnt think something as simple as a place to put your feet would need this much work. But then I have never driven a wagon so how would I have known. Thanks for sharing the way you think this out. It is much appreciated. Charles
Love the detail & drama. I can't wait till next week!!
Thanks Dave for another great history lesson.
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Once again thanks for the video.
У вас получается детективный сериал, с расследованием прошлого. Мне это нравится.
The board with the chain hook at Minute 10:00, if you look at the rear part of the board, there is a dark shadow going vertical that appears to be left from a frame work that ran along that back edge. Could be the uprights for the canopy that you are removing showing that they did run outside of the seat rather than inside. Love the puzzle of this rebuild. Thanks for sharing.
If you look at the previous pictures, the footrest height is about the same as the height of the backward seat. Top of the driverbox is in my opinion lower than you picture. The second (side) picture gives a good view of the driver leg position.
These videos always end to soon, I’m always looking forward to the next part of the process!
Always interesting to see how much goes into just one part of the wagon
Amazing detective work.
The puzzle keeps getting clearer.🙂🙂
As a former architect (back before AutoCad I might add!) you could superimpose a 2-point perspective on that wagon box and determine almost exactly the size/shape of all these pieces. You have to understand the relationship of the “planes” of the various elements. All you need to know is one actual dimension and the perspective tells you the rest.
Yes, as a stonecarver that's what I have done in several cases. Enhance the photos, match it with a two-point perspective (no CAD here but just Sketchup, learned how to use that at the university of TH-cam) and measure all arcs and dimensions fom this model with a few clicks. But thisxworks just fine, Dave. Nice video again.
Not a bad decipher ! That "boot" in the picture seems much lower than the typical coach. Thankfully the irons were all there to give some hints.
This video posted late and I thought, "Oh no, no video from Engles' Coach Shop!". My Friday will be incomplete.
Thank you, it’s very entertaining to watch you put this puzzle back together, love the videos. Have a great weekend..
Stay safe and we'll see you next week.
Well, that was an education super well done on this build,love the channel regards🇬🇧🏴🔨
fascinating process and an incredible insight into your depth of knowledge of wagons and how to build them.
soooo interesting 2 see your investigation/ mockup 2 get the right place 4 everyting !!!
Master of puzzles great work.
That was a cool geometry lesson
I enjoyed this tutorial. Thank you.
The rear of the drivers box appears to be vertical with the horizon. You can use the photo to get the angle of slope on the foot rest. This has been done in crime solving for years.
It is called the, Pythagoras theory.
Camera angles could be distorting what I'm seeing, but the angle of the foot in what you have mocked up will still be too acute. Still, probably the best way to figure that out is to mock it up like you plan to do. As always, fantastic work, both on the wagon, and the video.
As always Great work, Regards Doug.
I’m really enjoying the discover/sleuthing needed to rebuild this wagon. For the photo you put up, it looks like the curve of the boot never goes past vertical. Also looks like the height of the foot rest is someplace near the height of the passenger seat sides. That would keep the foot rest tipped further “out” thus keeping it flatter and letting the driver to hook his boot on the back edge.
Just my observations.
I think you enjoy the conquering the challenge of the puzzle more than the build itself.
This would be a much more demanding task if the seat had to fit all genders ( current craziness accepted), you will get it right. Thanks again Dave
Just lovin' all this. Thank you.
Very good show.
Thanks Dave. ✌🇦🇺
Loving the journey of discovery with this one, thanks Dave.
Dave, the photo shows a longer drop to the boot then the 12" your using I believe. Look at the drivers leg in the photo it's almost vertical ( the lower leg ), the upper leg is almost horizontal, I suggest measuring your leg and check your dimensions, I would suggest an 18 to 20 " drop to the boot rest and approx. an measurement about the same in horizontal measurement making that 48" arc work much better to conform to the photo much better. And yes, it is a fairly upright position compared to the Yellowstone coach, But that's what the photo is showing based on an average man (driver leg dimensions) (( in my opinion). My suggestions are based on average chair dimension etc.
Yes, I arrive at the same place.
Can't wait to see it finished. That is going to be a fine coach...
I'm really enjoying this stagecoach series thanks
Thank you so much for sharing with us looking forward to the next steps
Marvelous! Looking foward to next week already.
Thanks Dave
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Great job Columbo
I find the chain set up interesting. With the chain the leg length becomes adjustable for a shorter drivers vs a taller driver.
Another great video!
I agree with the other commentor, according to the picture the drivers boots look to be almost exactly the height of all the seats. You seem to be placing them a bit high, thus it curves in too far.
But then again what would I know I built Radars... 😂😂
Another interesting puzzle definitely is going to be alright in the end.
Beautiful work as always. If the four bolt holes in the top iron are not evenly spaced, why not do a fill weld on one of the middle holes and redrill to make both sides symmetrical?
It’s just amazing, what you can do!
*- Consider matching the foot board curve to the rear wheels' curve, Dave. Please!*
*- Does the curve of the rear wheels look the same as the curve up to the diver's feet? **16:36*
*- That would give the wagon the same feel to the eye, front and back*
*- Match the right rear wheel in shadow to the curve of the foot board's dark shadow edge. **19:47*
*- To me they are the same, if not identical curves.*
*- The men standing "beside" those rear wheels are enough closer to the camera to make them "taller" than they would be standing directly next to the rear wheel...so the wheels could easily be 48", in my understanding.*
You are amazing,
This is great 👍
This coach is like an onion, you keep pealing back to reveal new mysteries - and come up with "new" solutions.
Look at it from overhead, from your camera angel, it seems if it needs to come up by using a longer arch, then go to the 19 to 20 inch distance. Right now it seems your on the bottom side of center. Instead try going to the top side of center. Where the inside of the toe board iron is at or above your T-square, then go for the 19-20 inch distance.
That should cause the fellows to be almost vertical on the front face.
At that point the chain angle will just about be straight.
Good morning, just looking at the picture I noticed that it looks like the heel rail is just about the same level as the top or the seats. It also looks like that the drop down from the drivers seat is more than 12", at least that is my perspective.
Quite the archeological puzzle...
Dave, it sure appears to me that in the old time photo that the drivers boots/feet are flat, or parallel to the ground while resting on the foot rest. Does the orientation of the foot-board iron you are proposing keep the feet relatively flat? It appears to be angled substantially back to the wagon. Am I "seeing" this correctly?
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always wondered about rain getting into the boot. It looks like water would accumulate. So, I guess I will see where it gets out as this moves forward.
I wonder if the short chain hook board position might not be along the top of the seat, and more wood could be above it, lowering its position?
What would happen when you pivot the low end of the beam?
At the photo's i see the beam starting out horizontally and ending almost vertical. Looks like the whole construction would have been more forward
I'm thinking you have been drawing this mud wagon out somewhere besides the floor. My luck if I didn't about the time it went out the door and down the road someone would want one just like.🤔
I think the curve is spot on however your 20" measurement appears to be too short. Halfway up the box the curve is going vertical which matches the photo and your comments near the end while standing at the wagon. The layout on the floor doesn't seem right even allowing for the angle of the camera. Apologies for being so presumptuous, just couldn't resist a comment. I'm loving this build and your skill.
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