Dragon origins in Skyrim? THEORY [ Alduin l Akatosh l Elder Scrolls l Skyrim ]
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Hey subfuries! Question of the Day: if you could travel to any point in time, when would you go? Stay nerdy! HTTYD analysis coming soon. Also another writing video.
~ Tim
I would go back to school and get a better education lol
Hello Future Me first to like this comment 😊
I would restart the year
Hello Future Me. Do you think in the there talk about the storm that there were roars of to exactly to toothless the night fury and not one but tons in the 2 movie if pay attention you hear more in hiccups moms cave and race to the edge in bizzacarker island you see marks similar to toothless fire bombs
Hello Future Me this is how excited I am to see your video I stopped watching Rick and Morty to watch your video....
But wouldn't that mean that, by killing the dova and catching their souls to make them a part of your own self, you are reassembling parts of Akatosh? I mean, you only kill smaller dova (if you don't count Alduin (and/or Parthurnaax - you monster)) but you still make their souls become part of you.
Aren't you then becoming a part of Akatosh? A god in human form, much more powerful than every human or dragon to ever roam the Mundus?
And what happens after you die? Do you then become a true god, unless another dragon-born captures your soul and fuses you with his soul, making you and him/her an even more complete form of Aka?
So. Many. Questions!!
Whoa, I haven't thought about that
Midnight it is implied by dialogue in the game that 1. No matter what happens the dragonborn will live on in sovengard (i think thats how ot spelled) as this is a divine area of the after life made by Akatosh. 2. The game is of the last dragonborn, other than miraak or anyone that maybe still from tiber septims line of kin, which would be rare at best, there are no other dragonborn. At least none that will ever be alive while the last dragonborn is. So his/her soul wont ever be absorbed by any other. Now for 3, about being pieces of akatosh, and becoming more a singular powerful one as you take dragons souls.... i think you might be right. I havent expressly read or found any lore that confirms or denies this. Unfortunately i think that unkess you were able to consume the souls of all remaining dragons this portion would still be insignificant at best and completely irrelevant at worse. Alduin would be a singular larger piece of akatosh if he truly is his first born son. To make a significant dent and thus be a larger piece of Akatosh you would need, all of the past dragonborn that hail from tiber septim, tiber septim himself, miraak, all dragons, alduin, and the last dragonborn.
That would give you some awesome divine power and will over reality but also like all of the dragon knowledge and seeing as how they are one of the oldest races in existence, you would pretty damn powerful.
As you can see down below - someone reminded me it was shor who created Sovngard not Akatosh.
Miguel 1226 okay, I didn't know about sovengard... But didn't Miraaks soul became part of you when he was killed by Hermaeus Mora? I already forgot, it's been a long time since I played skyrim...
And that means that a minimum of two dragon-borns can exist at the same time and I think you being the last one is a bit irrelevant, since there are possibly others from a time before you that could absorb you when you die...
But that completely aside, I wonder if sovengard was created by Aka(tosh) to be a place where the pieces of him, being the dragon-borns could meet and reunite again. Some kind of safe haven? For him to heal and become again what he once was?
Hell, that would make a fantastic fantasy novel... The god of eternity, who saw his inevitable shattering during the process of creation coming, created a place where he could once again become one and the protagonist being one of the last fragments of the god to come this part of the afterlife after his epic heros' journey...
I've never thought of that before. Then that means TLD could be manteling Aka. Just a thought that piped in my head.
Just my two cents: There's a difference in dragonblood, and dragon soul + blood.
Miraak and The Last Dragonborn are the only known Dragonborn with the ability to absorb dragon's souls. Alessia, Tiber Septim, Reman Cyrodil, etc did not have this ability as they only had Dragonblood.
There are tons of people out there with Dragonblood, or some type of Dragonblood that's been diluted.
Tsun says that you'll live on in Sovngarde regardless of your race, but I feel this is more an oversight on Bethesda's part. A lot of the in game lore is honestly.
When The Last Dragonborn dies either a new god will be created, or he will simply return to Aka.
Even Uriel and Martin Septim are not directly related to Tiber Septim. The Septim line had already been broken before then.
Also Miraak (The First Dragonborn) and The Last Dragonborn come from 2 different time periods. Miraak was born in the Merethic Era and lived on in Hermaneos Mora's realm of Apocrypha. The Last Dragonborn was of course born in the fourth Era.
So if the dragons are shards of a god and the dragonborn is trying to collect their souls? Is the dragonborn attempting to rebuild that god? Is the dragonborns purpose to rebuild AKA?
Divine not god
@@hhaking9656 divine is a synonym of god.
On the one hand, one can draw a ton of parallels to LHKAN (as one should with a Mirror-Brother) and his many, many shards (Shezarrines, Void Ghost, unstars, moons, Heart, Shor, Shezarr, Sheor, Lorkhan, Lorkhaj, etc). And a lot of this can be explained by the Marukhati Selectives; they didn't just eject Auri-El from Akatosh, but rather they stuffed Shezarr into the hole thus created, making the two gods one and the same to an extent even beyond that implied by enantiomorphy (hence the Amulet of Kings, *the* artifact of the Dragonborn, being made from LHKAN's blood (this point btw has specifically been called out by MK)).
On the other (props for at least giving this a mention), mythopoeia is a major thing. Every Aedroth (most especially the Nine) has many cultural aspects, and that accounts for most of what is going on with AKHAT. The rest can be explained by imitation. AKHAT was the first et'Ada to crystallize, followed by RKHET (Arkay/Xarxes/Orkey/etc), and then all the other et'Ada, for the Tone of Time is also that of I AM (just as Space (LHKAN) is I AM NOT). Just as the lesser Daedra often imitate the Tones of the Princes, the Dov can simply be considered lesser Aedra in service to their King (further implied by the existence of the Minute-Menders, the Jills).
And of course, this being TES, both of our theories are probably true, in spite of or even because of any contradictions implied by such. But I will note that my take as expressed here is... more conventional. As in, a lot of this is straight up Altmeri or Ayleid or Alessian tradition.
All in all, good video. Compelling even if I disagree greatly on interpretation, and I certainly learned a lot and had entirely new (if likely only to myself) insights just by considering your position.
Further possibilities are that the lesser Dov are an Akaviri import, and that they are transkalpaic Nords. The official forums are really big fans of the World Eating Nords theory btw.
Fantastic lore knowledge and great commentary. Your humour is well-placed and good as well! You've earned a new sub. ;)
Currently the Dragonborn is extremly fascinating me.
11:22 It's like in Doctor Who! When you fall into a crack in time, you disappear from all existence and nobody remembers you, because you never existed in the first place. This is same just reversed!
Where were you when the dragon broke is found in game.
In Skyrim (I think it was added with dragonborn), morrowind.
And ESO, despite the fact that it references the warp in the west and that happens 800 years later
I have a Avatar: the last airbender question. Is it just a myth that if the avatar dies in the avatar state the avatar cycle ends? I believe it is a myth because if the avatar did die during the avatar state then it would have already ended. Conversely maybe rava (I don’t know how to spell it pleas for give me) told wang or one of the first few avatars that if they die in the avatar state that the cycle would end the cycle.
Time has such an interesting role in the elder scrolls
Wait... if we are stuck forever with herma mora.... how is aka ever going to be whole again? Is that mora’s original purpose for gaining a Dragonborn as a servant?
I feel bad for anyone who hasn’t a clue what he’s on about but I knew everything elder scrolls are the best games ever made
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Hail Mishka, KAAA!
You sold do a let's play of school of dragons
Do rtte s6 vid
2013-14
I read Dragon Age Origins in Skyrim?
I'm heavily disappointed.
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Dragon age is just morrowind with dragons
so the list of things we'll talk about on the podcast just keeps expanding boiiiiii ;) big fan bro. love your work!
Holy shit it's a Shaolin monk
Lol
"Imagine if you believed your friend was gay, but they _weren't._ But then you told people that they were gay anyway and everyone started believing it.
_BAM._ Your friend turns gay."
What a journey.
I would go to a point in time when
someone invents a time machine
then I would steal it problem solved.
3:26 Poor bunny. Why'd you have to run into that rock?
So... Pro tip in order to create a really deep fantasy world: equate something to time. In Dark Souls, Light is time, and in Elder Scrolls, Dragons are time.
I wonder what would happen if you equate cats to time... All hail Mishka!
The window pane analogy works well for the dragons being shards, and that those shards had always been there. When you break a window into shards, the shards really had been there the entire time, you just don't perceive them as shards until the window breaks.
The dragons had been there the whole time, people just didn't realize it until the Dragon broke.
Honestly, I like the crazy inconsistency of Elder Scrolls lore. It makes it feel ancient and organic, like real mythologies.
There's also a Meta-Context here that should be pointed out.
The Nine Divines were named after Testers and Important Developers, from back in the Arena Days. For example, Julianos is named after Julian LeFay, who created Tamriel as a DnD Setting and gave it to Bethesda during the development of Arena.
Akatosh was named after a tester who used the screen-name "AKA The Old Smaug Himself." They couldn't use his Screenname... but they shortened it to its acronym of "AKATOSH." Which brings us to the meta-context: Aka, the original time God, is Also Known As. Which is amusing, since one of Aka's shards appears in every pantheon.
I did not know this! Fascinating. I'm good with lore, but I know next to nothing about meta stuff like this or even game mechanics.
~ Tim
I don't think that the banishing of Alduin was a dragon break, as there was no multiple versions of events, and we view what happened with an elder scrolls, something that doesn't work for any other dragonbreak
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What about that play through you did as a thief putting buckets on merchants heads and murdering half the population and that play through I did where I didn’t kill everyone.
So Dova make people gay? Whoa, this lore is really out there.
No cooler title than dragon god of time
So... the Dragonborn... collects shards of Aka, aka time itself. Does he/she essentially BECOME Aka?? Is the purpose of the Dragonborn to repair time???
That... would be a bad idea. The three big shards, auriel, akatosh and alduin, are pieces of time, expecific the beginning, the middle and the End of time.
The alduin in the game is not his true form. He is the literal End of time, and will devour everyting: mundos, Oblivions, their princes, and even Aetherius. However, he wanted to control everyting, instead of end it, so he apeared close to the begning of time, when his power are weak, in the form of a dragon, and was cast away in the future, still in that weak form. That is why
you can defeat him.
The Elder Scrools universe is in a time loop. Alriel will creat the word in the beginning, akatosh will be the body of time, and alduin will destroy everyting, so all come to be created again. Those circles are slightly diferent, what will be important in the future circles. A dragon biting his own tail. Why those circles need to be? Because the creation is limited, finite, and everiting that is finite have beggining, middle and end. So, if by any reason, the time don`t End, it will become infinite. And creation is finite. Thats mean everyting will cease of existing. Everyting associated with mortalite. Not only that, but will cease in a way that never existed in the fist place. The Dragon will be unbinded.
What is more probably is: that the Dragonborn soul will be absorve by one of the big shards; become his own dragon; or , my personal teory, will help in the circle by becoming the next great shard, like auriel, who is portrait as a mortal how become a god.
But akatosh is a giant cat
Yea, BOIII
Nya I don’t think so
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Shh, dragons are just big scaly cats.
If I could time travel, I would go forwards in time at a pace of 1 second per second.
Wait, Im already doing that
Well maybe in your perspective. But i am guessing you are moving relativly to me with one meter per second, for me you are moving 0.9999999999....9998125 seconds per my second in time.
So what you're saying... is Akatosh is gay? Akatosh is super, flamboyantly gay.
"Time moves in a single line"
Sinistral Elves and Redguards: Excuse you?!
Also, couldn't this all mean that by absorbing the dragons' souls, the Dragonborn piece the puzzle back together, and while not being able to completely fix Aka, at least put the parts back in order? A dragonbreak would also explain why Solstheim is littered with dragon bones and ruins in ES5:Skyrim, but there's no trace at all of Miraak in ES3: Morrowind (lorewise, obviously).
Theoretically I think the Dragonborn bloodline was made partly to control and collect the souls of Dragons. At some point, probably after death Akatosh gets those souls so he can become whole again. He likely allows them to their preferred afterlife once he gets his souls. As we know the dragons can't killed permanently. The Dragonborn just kind of holds the souls. You can see this as Miraak dies he absorb his souls. They are fragments of a God they can't be kilked so easy, even Shor is still technically around..Point being Akatosh is collecting himself through the Dragonborns. If you get a Dragonborn who eats all the Dragons be could be more of Akatosh then Aka himself. Akatosh is likely a "Dragonborn" himself body of a humanoid God and soul of a Dragon. The Dragon break sounds like a Dragonborn dying and his souls leaving him. All the Dragons are different perceptions, different aspects of time. Akatosh being the physical manifestation of times begin but time changes, warps and is different to everyone and it's thus the many dragons, Alduin being times end and that event manifests its as Alduin...
Kind of weird and long but a fun theory
hey tim love ur vids um were do i send my fanart on gmail sorry im new here keep up the good work man love u all hail mishka kawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Could you do a video on the Lord Of Lightning from Super Mario Odyssey?
The Dragon breaks could also explain the perpetual medieval stasis elder scrolls finds itself in.
And here I was looking for a good Dragon Break video.
Wish you'd at least mentioned the Red Moment, though. :)
So what your saying is...dragons are gay? Got it. Spreading the word now!
i'M EARLY OOÔOO
Also, damn the Cliffracers, i'm glad Saint Jiub killed them all ;-;
And then he got captured by some mage and sent to the Soul Cairn. XP
He was the only one who could stand amoungst them, he was CLIFFBORN! (Juib making Clifracer noises knocking a clog racer out of the sky)
Rynn Oak Yeah, screw the dumb Dremora who did that.
AF If only he could've absorbed their souls :c
@@rynnoak2033 he was captured by a daedra during oblivion and sent to the soul cairn
If I was to time travel i' d go to my death bed say goodbye to myself go back to my time and wait to say good bye to my self all over again I want to do this so I can see the inevitable and come to terms with it and also because I'd be creating a paradox which would be cool
Where does the Dragonborn fit into this? Is the Dragonborn there to bring the pieces back together? That would explain why they absorb dragon souls. Every Dragonborn slays as many dragons as they can, gathering their souls. When the Dragonborn dies, they take the pieces to Akatosh, further rebuilding the Time God Aka.
and if the PC in Skyrim is the last what does that mean from now? With no one to collect the souls/"time shards" what happens then?
Hey I dout you to read this but please listen I think I have a theory about Toothless in the night furies you say toothless is just now getting the blue have you thought maybe that's what happens when you're still in puberty which means maybe soon you'll start getting ready to find a mate maybe that could be just like how the blue color brighter the blue is stronger they are or like it could be used for attracting the opposite sex to fight off other males that are trying to take their mate or trying to get a mate from another male and to protect the babies as they watch over the eggs and this is because when you think about it well it was not permanent when he did the blue light from his back that could be how they you know do the territory everything if so that means he will be you know him and Hiccup will have to leave soon go find him so maybe if they don't in the series real soon maybe the go off and I'll show you maybe at the end of this coming movie Hammerhead cup leaves and then they may be gone you know like the studio goes on a break or they announced that they will be making a season whatever or another season whatever and no movie where it shows you as them too and maybe a strange person but be honest I kind of like if it was just him and Hiccup and maybe Astrid to find where the night furies are so maybe toothless Will able to find Once his instincts completely wake up because he will get a general direction and what they need to go to everyone who reads this please problem like on it so maybe here in an increase my chance for him to see it it would really help we might this might be something
To answer your question of the day, I would go to a point in the future where you could travel to other places in time affordably. In other words: THERE ARE TO MANY AWESOME TIME PERIODS I WANT TO GO TO!
Reminder:
Do ATLA spirits reproduce????
A good way to summerize the idea you come with near the end is super-time or upper time, aka a timeline of the timeline of reality, which contains all alterations made to the timeline and preserves a continuity that circumvents classical paradoxes.
Yeah. An omniscient time God (assuming they are outside of time or undamaged by any alterations or "breaks") wouldn't just see all of time at once but all "times" at once. Perhaps as branched timelines, the same timeline stretched through all realities (similar to the world tree from Norse mythology) or some other form that meer mortals can't comprehend.
Edit: This idea reminds me of the "sacred timeline" and the branches from the Loki series
Ayyy early people!!!! I️ need the hyttd analysis!
11:57 huh there’s a power I wish I had lmao
Dude, you deserve WAY more subs, ill be here when you hit one million subs!
when are you going to do a season 6 overview
How to train your dragons
When time is involve in anything, I always get crazy
I'm convinced that Michael Kirkbride was given 80kg of LSD (or skooma if you prefer), locked in a basement with nothing but a typewriter, and that's how we got Elder Scrolls lore
The gay friend example explains me, everyone thinks and says I'm gay but I'm not yet they continue
William Fowles wow that's so gay
Thanks, I knew I was missing another "gay"
When are you going to talk about season 6 of how to train your dragon race to the edge
King Smaug The Skywing probably after he gets a chance to watch it all
mike maier but it has been 8 days since it has been out and he usually talks about it as quick as possible
King Smaug The Skywing I'm just giving the likely answer. He does have a life outside TH-cam yaknow
Hey King Smaug! The next video will be on RTTE. I have a schedule of videos that cycle through different fandoms.
~ Tim
Hello Future Me thanks, can’t wait
The "Numidium" you find in Morrowind is actually Akulakhan. It's a replica created by Dagoth-Ur. The true Numidium, if we're ignoring Michael Kirkbride's C0DA and sticking with in-game lore, was destroyed in Daggerfall.
In C0DA, the when the Numidium was used by Tiber Septim to lay siege on Alinor, time broke once again (as Numidium is want to do) this time lasting all the way from the Dawn Era clear to the end of time itself in its own pocket of un-time. This catches up with the rest of Mundus in the late 5th Era when Numidium returns, still waging war against the Altmer, driving them to Zero-Sum because apparently, it can do that, as was most likely the fate of the Dwemer.
Then out of nowhere, Indoril Nerevar shows up piloting Akulakhan and takes on Numidium one-on-one, buying the Dunmer enough time to escape to Masser.
Gods, I love Kirkbride.
If I could time travel, I would go to Asia and Greece during the Axial Age, like in Gore Vidal's "Creation". Buddha, Confucius, Darius, Xerxes, and Pericles, all living in the span of a single lifetime, if you thread the needle just right. It sucks that Jesus comes a bit later, but that's still a pretty good haul, as far as influential historical/religious/philosophical figures go. The Scientific Revolution in Europe would also be cool.
Soooo, you're saying, just to be clear, that dragons result (or possibly result) from Akatosh briefly going insane.... Cue Sheogorrath giggling manically in the distance.
I have a question how did Leo's grandfather know that Leo would meet Hazel, he didn't even know Hazel was still alive.
And if he knew, he coeldn't possibly know that Hazel Was a demigod and still a teenager.
So who was Sammy Valdez???
Makes perfect sense to me. Your wibbley-wobbley timey-wimey explanation fits. And as for changes becoming more than permanent, that they become that way from the beginning, is rather like Doctor Who's crack in time that when it absorbs someone, from that moment forward, they never ever existed.
As for what point in time I'd travel to, that's easy: the future, about 50,000 years into the future. Life HAS to get better by then. (At least all the Skyrim bugs have to be purged by then.)
All hail lord MISHKA may he forever more be beautiful and Divine
lord mishka shall fall to the will of the empire
Homosexuality doesn't work that way...
Like, at all.
Seriously.
To say that the Lamia fought against Molag Bal is quite the generalization since only a small group did that as far as we know, most of them are hostile towards us (who are fighting Molag Bal) but we aren't given their motivations.
I would travel bake to 1998 to buy Mulan Schezwan sauce from McDonalds so I could sell it on ebay in the future.
I eould travel to the end of time and space, to not only witness a beauty none can even perceive, but also to die an instant painless death (as it would be faster than the neurons react), but also for the benefit of time itself being erased, essentially wiping out all other life as well. No more one person starving 60 every seconds, no more death, no more pain. Just mercy in its purest and swiftest form.
Yes, it's harsh, but I mean it out of kindness and depressive sympathy. May you all be blessed and have a satisfying/enjoyable existence.
Ave Inanis
Dear tim I have the best Idea for a video... a response video to Uniquenameosaurus's video "What if the AVATAR was a villain" they give ideas for a new avatar series and I think we would all like your thoughts on these ideas.
What i like about skyrim is the fact we can see who and what we are ourselfs . The dragons show our dominance in nature . The elves ,humans and orcs . Show our distaste for anything outside our safe haven . The stormcloak and imperial dispute shows our narrow point of view ( as most of us have not all ) and if the means are there and all these combined in one strong person in mind and power . This person could force his/her will unto others for any who will resist will fall . And our nature to look for the unknown by beleaving in a all unseen power a religion and or more religions . All these complex things come back in one simple stucture . Animal nature for more breeding space . To controll everything .
Interesting. i actually understood each quote and explanation u made.
Even tho i never heard them before XD
Just started skyrim and i barelly got to paarthurnax soo ye. the whole dragon story was 0 to me but i got soooooo frekn much
game lore from a cr4p ton of games that i understand it very easy.
Nice video.
U should Try to do some videos on Monster Hunter lore XD
Love lore videos on dragons! You're doing great work Tim and deserve twice the amount of subs you do now
This is a pretty amazing theory!
Did I hear Dragon? Well never played the game but the video is explaining something that has to do with dragons sooo I'm gonna watch it :3
Maybe the reason they and others say they have always been is because technically they have. If not in their current form, then as Aka. When part of the whole they were there, and as a piece once part of the whole they continue to be there. Alduin was the first dragon the break from Aka making Alduin and Akatosh. Then later in other breaks smaller bits of Akatosh became the dragons. And maybe in some way not even they understand they remember being part of Aka and Akatosh and themselves. So they are eternal and have always been, just not in the same form we know them as. And as part of Aka and Akatosh they retained that superiority they have over mortal, the feeling of wanting to lead them as their creator(s).
'For fun, it'd be the the time of tesla.
To change the past 2011 october
I wonder how big night furies actually get? because toothless is only 20 years old and dragon most likely live for a long time
Wow no matter what era or game es is in your character always goes down in history and i cant wait for what has happened inbetween skyrim and es6!!!
So does that mean when the Dragonborn absorbs the souls of dragons he is absorbing parts of the original god of time? Becoming more and more god-like?
The dragons are from akavir, the black ones that you find escaped the snake race while their red cousins were inslaved.
Can you do a video on what you think how to train your dragon 3 will be about and if all dragons will end or if toothless will find a mate. I'm really interested like if you agree. Please.
How cool would it be if they set a game during a dragon-break and you travel around in time and multiple timelines?
can you pls do a video on can the dragons form how to train your dragon could possibly speak the dragon language in skyrim pls pls pls pls
Currently the Dragonborn is extremly fascinating me.
I kill adwin and at level 10 and my razer of mroom and can you explain the dajock atfas
You should read the Wings of Fire series and if you like it do videos on it. The Last Dragon Chronicles is really good to.
What if dagurs skrill was titan wing and came back httyd Theory
On the next video can you please tell me the difference between Red Death, Green Death and Purple Death Is there a Purple Death Im not so sure
Unknown User the green and purple deaths are from the books ( maybe mobile game as well, I don't play it so Idk) they're kinda pudgy
7/10, not enough hailing Mishka, our lord and savior.
Dragon Breaks sounds alot like the flashpoint paradox
At the end of morrowind is Akulakan, which was going to be a second numidium
I'm not gonna lie. I giggled both times you said Taint, and I'm not proud of it.
There's something funny to me about arguing over how long the *time god* was bugging out.
I'd go 1,000 years into the future, just to see what becomes of us.
Wonder what kind of effect the Dragonborn absorbing the creator of time has
Hmm in far future in elder scrolls it would be cool to se something like mass effect +star wars mix of game
I would go back before the big bang just to what happens
More elder scrolls lore plz my brother hates me cause i know more about halo lore than i do any other game lore
i would go back in time were u first started ur channel so i could be the first subscriber is that weird
I love your chanel please never stop making videos
I think it works like this:
Akatosh
Akat
osh
osh:and now im a dragon.
Akatosh:ok but when your soul is eaten you become me again
Meanwhile dragons in GoT: Haha dragon goes woosh!!